subtlety

[drowsy plume]

can we use nexsus rings as bis gear ?

[vale pine]

only real diffrence in output is

[tribal blade]

yes

[vale pine]

that the overwrites ended up slightly to low

[lyric violet]

fuu, for u is better run 690 haste or 710? i can play between these numbers freely but i dont know what is the perfect number O:

[bold crescent]

no more cloud ❤️

[drowsy plume]

nice got 2 tokens for it ^^

[waxen viper]

yeah i just ran M+ sims and its telling me that cloud is still 2% higher then the no scrupples

[vale pine]

you want rougly 700

but 690 is fine

the diffrence is one thing

how much time you have to fit your last gcd

so the question becomes, wheather you can reliably hit it or not

[compact violet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oJUrseip6s89KTC5Ro4SFR
one more week and done with gearing

[vale pine]

if you do, can play 690

if you struggle with 690

maybe try getting 700 or 710

[idle echo]

Is there a reason to play premed again? I thought it messed apex procs

[vale pine]

yes

[lyric violet]

Thanks a lot

[vale pine]

the reason we did not play premed

[lyric violet]

For explaination

[vale pine]

was cloud cover

now that we switch off of it

we can play premed again

[compact violet]

on lura u dont have good sd timing without premed

[vale pine]

(technically not cloud cover alone, but the additional crit % damage on builders)

[compact violet]

i switched back even with cloud

[upbeat cradle]

How good is the future raid trinket ? We'll be able to upgrade Gaze MM along with weapon in 2 weeks right ?

[alpine wraith]

you know you could just use the fast opener

[compact violet]

(for p1)

[alpine wraith]

it is literally the same buttons

[vale pine]

i don't like laura as a fight

effect vomit all over it

[weary tree]

It's fine though. Just need to hold a little bit

[neon stirrup]

well i can't see her liking you if you misspell her name

[alpine wraith]

wait until you see the mythic P3

[compact violet]

banger fight if u get outside of p1

[alpine wraith]

kekw

constallations

[compact violet]

not for the second add spawn

u have ur dance comming back like 3 seconds after the spawn

[vale pine]

laura sounds nicer ^^

[compact violet]

with premed its like 5-6 and u dont hit them at all

[vale pine]

salad bar too

[neon stirrup]

i hate vanguard

its just bland and boring

[compact violet]

vanguard is shit for rogue anyway

u can play as good as u want ur gonna parse 95 and be behind any ranged with 30

[neon stirrup]

i dont like it as fight in general

[vale pine]

paladins is an annoying fight

but thats most council fights

[compact violet]

i think this tier is horrible for melee overall anyway

[vale pine]

they exist to diversify the fight layouts

[compact violet]

beloren was ok

[neon stirrup]

oh and dont let me start on the fact that they yell at me more than my parents did when i almost failed a year at school

[vale pine]

this is such a funny thing to hear

[compact violet]

more than other i say

[neon stirrup]

its first time i had to turn down dialog in game

[cinder roost]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

because i remember saying how design around melee metetrs for raiding during last xpacs

and always got told to shut up

[neon stirrup]

ShIeLD is NoT ONly FoR DefENdING!

[vale pine]

because blizz does not deisgn any fight or raid bad for melee

[fallow nimbus]

Paladins wouldn't be so bad if they get rid of all the anti melee shit

[weary tree]

kepte having annoying marks during my CDs in p3 and sometimes missing gcds lol

[vale pine]

thats classic design, i shouldn't make this point

[fallow nimbus]

Why is that healabsorb shit a thing?

[neon stirrup]

i cannot bring myself to play range class

especially castesr

imagine standing in place

and waiting to press another button

[vale pine]

i mean there is bm

which is basically a ranged melee

also

you can play DK

which is essentially a ranged spec

[neon stirrup]

i am a rogue

i will die a rogue

[vale pine]

melee is a very vague term

many "melee" specs

don't need to be in melee a lot

[placid pivot]

lightblinded vanguard heal absorb is there to make hpals viable in raid

[vale pine]

haha

[neon stirrup]

meanwhile range rogue

[vale pine]

healpalading iirc also counts as melee

tho i think

they don't rly have any melee spells anymore

(need to ask a heal pala main to confirm)

[placid pivot]

you can beacon a melee and it counts towards your mastery

[compact violet]

well when they add dmg pulse 8y to vanguard im not sure about it

[golden thunder]

would be funny to get a ranged specc tho ^^

[vale pine]

think its an fascinating shift

[chilly dagger]

@vale pine my old m+ talents from after cloud cover sim +3k compared to the one without cloud cover in dungeon slice, is that normal?

[vale pine]

because this tier changed this perspective entirely

[vale pine]

cloud cover is stil decent in multi target, so can play it in m+

if you want

can play it with premed even

as the impact was nerfed

[compact violet]

even the fking glaives + memory on lura is close to a "get fked if ur melee"

[vale pine]

exactly

think the general consensus this tier is

that the figths are not that well designed around melee

[compact violet]

as melee anyway, the only design where u shine is heavy movement

(vs ranged)

[vale pine]

which is very diffrent to previouse xpacs

where only few fights ended up bad

and often not as bad

[foggy estuary]

Bros ngl, loving how this turned out 🥷 dam is increase, details are topping, dopamine is peaking😆

[compact violet]

even like, why the fuck we take dmg when we run throu orb on salad

who the fuck designed that

hes for sure a melee hater

[tribal blade]

it's been like this for a while, just took this tier for it to be this crazy bad

[gusty wharf]

honestly done know where to spend my bonus rolls

[tribal blade]

especially in keys this has always been the norm

blizz especially fucked up this tier because they didn't give ranged enough ranged specific mechanics to do

so when it's all equal melee get pretty fucked usually

[empty bobcat]

its done, I completed the game

[vale osprey]

stinky poo poo kaka - we pray for the nexus point rings to fix my mastery

[somber sun]

guys, was the crest price for 6/6 myth always 80 ?

[somber sun]

vault is buns as per usual

[hollow quest]

this guy rolled a 100 on the hero version of it

[empty bobcat]

it was bonus roll xD

but I had 50:50

[worldly root]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow quest]

gotta keep mine for npx rings

[vale osprey]

we pray for the rolls

[golden thunder]

jsut getting gem sltos from vvault lately ^^

[vale osprey]

6 items in my Nexus point pool - 2 hits (ring/chest), but obviously just want ring asap and I can take chest from vault

Can they hurry up and uncap crests already

[bronze karma]

Finaly got guidon and now raidbots telling me i'm fine with 600 haste. thaught i should try to aim for ~700 haste. can anyone shortly help me out

[shadow lance]

WHy you guys want NPX rings? Is the combo that strong?

[vale osprey]

Check FAQ/Pins

[hollow quest]

1k dps gain for me

[vale osprey]

You are not a robot

[fleet acorn]

Rings are Bad again with Stat Switch to more mastery

[empty bobcat]

I am so happy to drop cloud, it plays so much better now xD

[vale osprey]

Only better combo for me would be the one on the bis list - problem being I don't have belo ring, paladins ring OR alleria neck

[tribal blade]

it's free dmg

and the rings have 3 good stats on them

[shadow lance]

I never considered these tbh

I'm still in gaze prison for now

[tribal blade]

you can build the rest of your gear around the nexus ring set

[hoary orchid]

any reason for my sims sitting at 580 haste recommend flask of mastery instead of haste?

[astral mulch]

Is the goal to hit around 18 percent haste still?

[vale osprey]

Guys I pray please read the FAQ and pins - I usually hate just reposting that but Fuu, Eleem etc work hard on that shit

[golden thunder]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[shadow lance]

This man is true

[astral mulch]

Oh sorry thanks

[shadow lance]

And btw, few posts above

[golden thunder]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[hoary orchid]

I think that not even a robot would do it with 580 right?

we talking about 650 to 700 here

[empty bobcat]

sim says I got enough mastery :3

[vale osprey]

Robot needs like 580 to hit the globals

[empty bobcat]

I like the number so Im gonna stick with it

[shadow lance]

600 to 700
And you speaking 580 to 700

That's the fuckign same

[golden thunder]

!sim

[hoary orchid]

Yeah i see, ill just fix it with flask then

[shadow lance]

Robots needs 587 to fit extra gcd

[hoary orchid]

thanks!

[hoary orchid]

mb there was thinking was 640-650

[plush pecan]

Swear people hate rogues 😛 cant even get in 10s now

[shadow lance]

Why 0.2 margin? Cuz of coup de grace. Why 0.4? Because you're a human and not a robot + server lag

[golden thunder]

it is so much pain ro find a grp for 16-17 and if i get inv i still top dps...

[empty bobcat]

always this

[golden thunder]

or the tank fails his 1st pull and you can wait 20 more minutes to find a grp -.-

[vale osprey]

Someone remind me - on a quick sim where do you see sec stat values?

[golden thunder]

maybe they could make us more attractive if we get master poisoners debuff again or also a BL ...

[vale osprey]

Is puzzlebox now simming giga high for anyone else since we moved back to old talents?

[hollow spear]

Define giga high

[vale osprey]

Droptimiser has it a 0.9% above guidon

Jk I'm braindead it did the droptimiser with haste flask

[mighty citrus]

mhhh did anyone already do some keys? i did a few plus 12 and usually iam top dps. but currently i feel a lot weaker than the weeks before: unfortunately no real logs

[bitter halo]

Are we going back to previous talents from this reset or next week?

[somber sun]

this week is not that bad after all

[somber sun]

📌

[bitter halo]

Thanks, yeah I know, just double checking

[somber sun]

xdd sorry

yeah from this reset

[sharp pawn]

nice, can bonus roll on almost any dung then

[fallow nimbus]

Rings and pants

[obsidian crag]

how do u manage to keep dpsing on 3rd phase of Lura? she keeps getting away from my range

[sick dagger]

hmm I sim like 0.7% worse in patchwerk with new talents

[karmic harbor]

Could be your stats

I need to redo all my gear since I have so much crit

[sick dagger]

ye true, still got lik 1k crit

[vale pine]

we go back to the old talents now

both eu and na have the chnages

[bitter halo]

Thanks Fuu

[somber sun]

if we already hit 710ish haste without oil, is it just better to go with the adamantite sharpening stone ?

[vale pine]

you might want to recraft your weapon or change gems then

no real need to go above 700

(unless you want to play deathstalker)

[worldly root]

adamantite still ahead right? i'm sitting around 680ish

feeling fine like this

[grim wasp]

Did we get buffed already today?

[hallow torrent]

did any1 tested the new changes? i tried a 15skyreach

[vale pine]

yes

[hallow torrent]

i didnt c any significent difrence

[vale pine]

did you switch talents?

[hallow torrent]

about same dps, but no smoke-possition reliable

[grim wasp]

sub best spec now sir?

[vale pine]

did you change flask

[hallow torrent]

yes i did

and flask magisters

[vale pine]

nice

[vale pine]

i don't think much changes

we still suck on the things we are designed to suck

(well not designed, but blizz changed design to be worse at)

it is why you see assassiantion played over subtlety in m+

[grim wasp]

I see are we better than assa or outlaw though? I just took nebious core instead of 1h axe

[mental saddle]

Do we want 700 haste regardless of guidon ?

[grim wasp]

Agree I tried assasination in M+ it is so easy

compared to sub there

[vale pine]

i mean its a long standing problem

blizz wanted to make assassiantion the go to spec in m+

and spend an entire patch re-designing it

and giving it benefits other specs lost or can't have

so ofc

unless the dev team decides to spend similar effort on other specs

[steel zinc]

Still sucks tbh in m+

[grim wasp]

single target i think assasination is harder since sub there is barely anything to press

[steel zinc]

Assa

[vale pine]

we won't be the go-to unless tuned veery high

[grim wasp]

M+ assa so easy just put bleed and spread on everything

[vale pine]

that was always the case

what changes it

Things removed from subtlety in mindight:

• Cleave
• Prio damage in aoe
• Burst (reduced, not taken away)
• AoE (initially tuned very high, but nerfed at season start)
• Cooldown dynamic (you used to be able to adjust cooldown use heavily)

could add

[obsidian crag]

raidbot says magisters and recklesness pot for me

[vale pine]

we now need haste to function

[pearl vector]

[vale pine]

which means, we won't take vers/mastery

so we have less defensive stats

it does not mean subtlety is bad in m+

but assassiantion still has high prio/funnel in m+

does rly good aoe

[pearl vector]

clunky

[hallow torrent]

compared other specs,we got priority issues

so in 17+

i find diff to get invited

[vale pine]

i mean thats intentional

like blizz

[hallow torrent]

compared to other rogue specs

[vale pine]

did intentionally remove it by reworking nimble

[hallow torrent]

[in general i get low innvites as rogue]

[vale pine]

which is against their own spirit of midnight changes

because they did not want to gut specs

[drowsy plume]

how much does it dps loss if u want ply cloudcover ?

[obsidian crag]

i tried assassination and i dont like it, this thing of having to know if all mobs has bleeds on, not for me

[pearl vector]

they didn't have to make it like this

[vale pine]

its very low

[grim wasp]

well i just crimson tempest everything numbers are high not that i care

xD

[vale pine]

0.5-1%

[sour horizon]

its the slow energy once out of tea that kills sass for me

[vale pine]

and cloud cover is potentially slightly better in aoe

so can pick for m+

[sour horizon]

I like my ADHD spam

[drowsy plume]

still shadowstikes deal high dmg or its nerfed ?

[wispy crystal]

!craft

[drowsy plume]

i mean crits on shadowstrike

[vale pine]

nerfed

crit damage modifier is now not multiplicative

so you get it once

[drowsy plume]

sadge it was so fun

[vale pine]

duarion of cloud cover is also lower

so its not covering all of shb

the talent was overtuned

so it was reduced and is now more niche

[karmic harbor]

i miss pre midnight sub so bad

[sour horizon]

yeah but so is Dev DH 🙁

[vale pine]

I think what they did to sub is criminal

[shadow lance]

Sub isn't a new spec

[sour horizon]

double coup was fun to play around

[vale pine]

its now a mediocre spec that does not excel at anything, with its only real niche being burst at 1.5 min interavalls

but its not the best at doing so

but that was it seems the aim of midnight

[drowsy plume]

damn the worst change in midnight is danse macabre in my opnion

[vale pine]

remove the things that made subtlety stand out, and just homoganize things

subtlety is still fine

its not a bad spec

its now easy to play

which means more people can enjoy it

[upbeat cradle]

Wasn't THAT hard to play in TWW tho

[boreal cargo]

hey, sorry to bother you, with the new patch, we still need 700haste right? i'm at 643 but raidbot says I should ditch Guidon for puzzlebox and use a mastery flask (i didnt put oil enchant on the sim). Is he right?

[chilly dagger]

would be awesome to tell Topgear to sim me 700 haste with guidon, it always wants to drop mastery to about 650 🙁

[vale pine]

the hardest spec in the game, but well

[upbeat cradle]

You always need 700 haste unless you're a machine

[sour horizon]

Rogue would feel alot smoother if they made it so energy only used on builders and combo points only on finishers, like most dps classes arent gimped by resources

[vale pine]

around 680 is where you can fit it in

[upbeat cradle]

Well the floor and ceiling felt really low anyways lol

[vale pine]

around 700 is where you can do so more reliably

[boreal cargo]

thanks! So i keep guidon

[vale pine]

Dust had the highest celling, but i think TWW still offered a lot

[gloomy loom]

having a myth puzzle u think its worth spending rolls on guidon?

[vale pine]

but its a subjective measurement

[chilly dagger]

and assa and outlaw stand out more? 😮

[vale pine]

subtlety was objectively seen the hardest spec in the entire game

if it still was "easy"

does mean everything else was even easier/simpler

how difficult something is is sadly very subjective

[obsidian crag]

Yes

[vale pine]

e.g. i remember a discussion with a diffrent TC from a other class

and he pointed out how assassiantion was the hardest rogue spec

and this at a time you literally had to do one thing

keep your bleed up

and use cd on cd

[jade oasis]

they did make sub very easy rn

[vale pine]

there was functionally (so objectively seen) no big depth to it

[thin sinew]

i still think people incorrectly thought flag was hard to use

[vale pine]

but yet, it still was for this individual the hardest to play

simply because it required management of dots

[barren wolf]

ppl who dont play other specs have the wildest takes about other specs

[quiet tartan]

Anyone ever had it where you upgrade an item and it sims lower, some SIMC gurus want to look at this?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hKjmJWfvDnQ94hTtRbZxPZ

[vale pine]

i mean idk

i can see it

you need a weakaura

while on dh

you just pressed things

back then

or on other specs

just reacted to procs

[barren wolf]

i guess if you've never seen a dot on your UI before

[vale pine]

ye

if you are used to specs without much maintainance

[obsidian crag]

Reacting to procs is fine. Reacting to buffs dropping not so much

[vale pine]

having to maintain multiple things can be challanging

funnily enough subtlety also had to maintain multiple things

[violet palm]

I can't stand more than 1 dot per target on my screen, I'm getting lost

[vale pine]

the diffrence is, its often buffs that are easier to understand

[hazy breach]

Small bug due to the position of the trinket in sims, dont worry about it

[barren wolf]

short bleed build on feral is actually hard cause it takes a lot of experience with the spec to know when you can do a bite and not have rip fall off, compared to assa where you never have to worry

not that feral is very hard or anything

[ornate lake]

zoomer rogues never had to play to shadowdust lmfaoo. They had the entire class handed over to them on a golden platter

[vale pine]

feral also had a lot of snapshotting, unsure if most of it is still there

[barren wolf]

i think theres still on tigers fury

[sour horizon]

2 snap shots now

just lost thrash

[barren wolf]

but i havent seen anything about playing around it

so idk

not done a lot of research about it either so..

i bite 🙂

chomp

[vale pine]

they also have the haste snapshot stuff

we have

i just reference as it as snapshot

[barren wolf]

wait what haste snapshot

they care about haste?

[vale pine]

deepening

basically

why we use guidon one sec before cooldowns

it updates late

so the haste extension would only apply after a certain time

[barren wolf]

i know about you guys dummy

!

[vale pine]

feral has a damage talent with haste iirc

where they do more damage based on haste

the talent behaves the same

(unless that got changed)

i sadly don't follow other classes/specs as much

[ancient leaf]

is it worth to shadowstrike 1 more time to get Cdp on animacharged cp but u overcap on cp

[vale pine]

reference

[vale pine]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[vale pine]

there is this optimization

[barren wolf]

oh

thats

interesting

kinda cringe ig

cause its haste based and you cant track it

[vale pine]

it is the same problem

[ornate lake]

back in our days as an outlaw i had to have a mouseover macro for bonespike, ambush and ghostly strike. Sub had this stupid shadowdust. Diabolical malding every single raid.

[vale pine]

i was a fan of dust

i still think the main issue was cooldowns

like ofc

[thin sinew]

Dust was fine the mismatched CDs sucked balls

[iron obsidian]

i just couldnt ever wrap my head around shadowdust

but it was a cool concept

[vale pine]

if you have one 2 min, 45 sec, 30 sec, 1 minute, 90 sec and somewhere between 50 sec and 1.2 mintue cooldowns

this will make is super easy

to know when to use dust

[barren wolf]

i didnt touch sub a single time while dust was a thing, did NOT want to bother having to learn exact timers for every boss fight in the raid

too much sweat

[ornate lake]

Dust was absolutely goated IF your CDs synced. You miss one (especially in keys) and your BP would go through the roof

[vale pine]

who would guess it is super complicated when you have an entire zoo of diffrent non aligning cooldown timers

not the dev team

[iron obsidian]

yeah cause blades was still a 3 min at the time right? with flag being a 130

and then i dont even remember the other things sub had at the time

[vale pine]

flag was 90 sec, blades 2 min

[ornate lake]

combine it with the supercharged anima points as kyrian

[vale pine]

but also dance was danymic cooldown, secret was dynamic cooldown, symbols was 25 sec, ...

[barren wolf]

it looked to me as if you either knew exactly every timer of every cd press or you did no dmg, so i didnt bother learning it and stayed on as assa

[thin sinew]

Dance etc were 1 min but had CDR from finishers etc

that was 💀

[vale pine]

dust would have been fixed

[iron obsidian]

i was the same, thankfully assa wasnt that bad anyways

[vale pine]

by simply making blades/flag the same cooldown

[lilac stag]

@vale pine afaik they don’t have a rigid haste breakpoint since dots and energy smooth it out.

[vale pine]

tho why not just remove it

[barren wolf]

also 3 stacks of symbols was not it for me either

[vale pine]

👍

[ornate lake]

It took them two entire expansions to remove flag

[vale pine]

haha ye

i mean 2 stacks of dance

[barren wolf]

overly complicated for being overly complicateds sake

[iron obsidian]

i miss flag

[vale pine]

3 stacks of symbols

but in the end

[iron obsidian]

gimme my funnel back

[vale pine]

it was just punishing

because you fucked up

[half meadow]

So in the end, sub spec has been up'ed or nerfed ?

[vale pine]

yu could just die

and go again

the options to recover where limited

and not good

[vale pine]

buffed, by roughly 3-4%

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/space-king-spaceking-warhammer40k-warhammer-40k-gif-3981186648276753091

[iron obsidian]

look i liked having my funnel

i miss it

[vale pine]

i still think its weird

how subtlety keeps losing its niches

[ornate lake]

I miss my funnel prio niche too. But not at the cost of flag

[vale pine]

i am not even mad at those who get them

its just hard for me to understand

why every time its good at something

[ornate lake]

Assa - execute, prio, funnel everything

[vale pine]

this "good" gets donated to either assassiantion

or other classes

and removed or heavily nerfed on subtlety

[iron obsidian]

its like they want us to suffer

[barren wolf]

double edge of night, evis spam

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

me when the boss FUCKING DIES

[thin sinew]

then they do surprise Pikachu face when rogue pop keeps falling

[vale pine]

edge of night as talent

[iron obsidian]

i sadly never got double edge

[craggy fractal]

its so we get a rework during 12.1 🙏

[vale pine]

instead of goremaws

[tepid trellis]

just be happy they tune assa to be below sub every single tier for raid

[vale pine]

pew pew

[vale pine]

for the early tier for sure

[iron obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/despair-suffer-suffering-sad-sad-quotes-gif-14270258133567956444

[barren wolf]

we have we
we have execute fuck you we ... execute.. fUck you

[tepid trellis]

fwiw im only talking progress here

[barren wolf]

who cares about burst smh... irrelevant

who cares about you killing stuff fast

adds, boss burns

we... execute...

(never relevant)

[vale pine]

zac and guy keep annoying me about it tho

[thin sinew]

Only thing you're executing is your own mental

[vale pine]

sub is always best rogue spec everywhwere kind of speech

[tepid trellis]

just unlucky that the last boss the easiest part is the last bit of it

[barren wolf]

well i was executing for the whole tier
executing sentence funnel

[iron obsidian]

fuu are you done prog already or nah

[tepid trellis]

so no execute value for you

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-face-nut-angry-gif-25106740

Holy fcuk that was the best rogue days

[vale pine]

we are not done with the tier

still progressing

XD

[sour horizon]

so they enjoyed last week then? xD

[barren wolf]

well assa execute is insane on lura though cause theres dmg increase in that phase

[vale pine]

i honest think they do

also outlaw got buffed again

[barren wolf]

but assa isnt tuned high enough

[vale pine]

so its similar to last week

can keep playing it

[tepid trellis]

yeh i mean its not, its only better for prog most of the time but they forget that prog for them is not the same as prog for 99% of the rest of people

[obsidian crag]

in hc or myth? and which phase is that?

[barren wolf]

myth

[tepid trellis]

too bad your execute dmg is worse than our burst dmg

[shadow lance]

Isn't the boss at 100% hp in last phase?

[barren wolf]

idk i never killed hc/normal lura

[tepid trellis]

so the last 35% is KEKW

[vale pine]

exactly

[barren wolf]

talking about p3, not p4
P4 is a meme

[ornate lake]

Is there even a single use of goremaw in the game lmao?

[barren wolf]

p3 is a dps check aswell

to skip mechanics

[tepid trellis]

nah

you can boost skip

the last bit now

[barren wolf]

well not nowadays

ok buddy

[tepid trellis]

its a massive joke

[shy ermine]

i'm still trying to decide between deathstalker and trickster for l'ura

[tepid trellis]

trickster

[shy ermine]

deathstalker is 3% better on 5min patchwerk for my gear

[barren wolf]

sorry you have 12% dps buff and 50 more ilvl

[tepid trellis]

sorry you raid 5x as much

opinion rejected

[shy ermine]

always trickster?

[barren wolf]

i dont want to talk about it

[shadow lance]

Isn't Varas trying to flex?

[barren wolf]

i have nothing to flex mate

our wr is ...

[tepid trellis]

ill pick him up and princess carry him

how bout dem apples

[barren wolf]

meow meow meow

lets just say

we need to find 2 tanks

for next tier

[tepid trellis]

think we got wr 68 on a 10 hour schedule

[vale pine]

nicu

[tepid trellis]

think thats the rank we got never actually checked

[tepid trellis]

id say so yes

[vale pine]

i remember you enjoying your date with laura

[barren wolf]

not 67? not 69?

68

youre unfunny

[tepid trellis]

67 on raiderio

just looked

[barren wolf]

holy

ggs

[vale pine]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Abster-Abstract-abstract-abster-abstractchain-XCsACkMFiPrwJI9rQv

[tepid trellis]

lura was not a fun boss imo as rogue

you did nothing the entire fight

[vale pine]

did you carry a light?

[tepid trellis]

only time my cortisol spikes

[peak ice]

What do we take in Academy

[iron obsidian]

i wonder if my guild is gonna make me carry a light on thurs

[peak ice]

like buff from the dragons

[tepid trellis]

is when a seed carrier got hit by a beam in p1 and i had to dash over an immune soak it

[iron obsidian]

i always go mast in aa

if playing sub

[sour horizon]

mastery

[tepid trellis]

nah its quite sucky for melee to carry them in p3

[vale pine]

ye

[tepid trellis]

you need them spread slightly

[vale pine]

i remember casual or someone mention that he needs to carry them

[barren wolf]

you "cant" carry as a melee

[tepid trellis]

and having a melee in charge of that spells disaster

you dictate where everybody else moves

when you carry seed

[barren wolf]

tanks carry in intermission instead of range

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/they-will-suffer-isaac-castlevania-they-have-to-endure-the-pain-they-need-to-live-through-the-agony-gif-727309002104664265

Rogue devs at the launch of every expansion

[tepid trellis]

and melee + moving

is not it

[vale pine]

haha

[barren wolf]

i did dragons mythic for the first time this week on rogue

man

[pearl vector]

Dragonflight was goated tho

[barren wolf]

how do you run out of the circle

to break

wtf..

[tepid trellis]

sprint

[vale pine]

did you do paladings too?

[tepid trellis]

or step

[sharp ravine]

Shadowstep

[barren wolf]

thankfully not

[vale pine]

haha

its not fun

[iron obsidian]

i had to prog paladins

i hated it

[barren wolf]

wdym its not fun

[iron obsidian]

i had to swap sin

[tepid trellis]

my guild does like 6x 6/6 void spire runs a week now

aint finna catch me do that

[tribal blade]

scrolling down to see which gray parsing dps you're competing with was the fun part of paladins

[vale pine]

my boy getting rich?

[tepid trellis]

i dont have charaters for it

i only have 2

[vale pine]

oh, unlucky

[barren wolf]

idk i grew up i dont care about dps

[iron obsidian]

im hopefully gonna have 3 toons for sales

[barren wolf]

if im bottom or top of meters

[iron obsidian]

just need to gear my second rogue once were done prog

[tepid trellis]

is boss dead

[barren wolf]

but i guess i got comfy

[vale pine]

+1, we had this discussion earlier too

[tepid trellis]

yep

did i make minimal mistakes

goodge

[vale osprey]

tbffff

That's where I'm at with our belo kill last night

[tepid trellis]

time to raid log farm

[barren wolf]

idk man its like on lura as a paladin, i do the same exact thing every pull

[vale osprey]

Sad I grey logged but absolutely fucking DOGGED it in egg phase

[barren wolf]

and sometimes i pump

[vale pine]

you excited for the new 1 boss raid?

[barren wolf]

sometimes i dont

[nimble sun]

Hero guidon or Mythic puizzle box what do you think

[barren wolf]

what can i do

[tepid trellis]

isnt ret also just turbo rng swings

with procs

[vale pine]

both is fine, typically guidon slightly better

[alpine wraith]

i miss the days of counting seconds for the things to proc then sending cds

now everything is ZzZ rppm

[barren wolf]

yea you can giga proc

[tepid trellis]

my two cents is that it dies in 1 day

[barren wolf]

also crit

it has some hard hitters

[vale pine]

i don't remember exactly

[alpine wraith]

inb4 gym roided uu nat mode

[vale pine]

but what was the tuning goal

[alpine wraith]

700 pull boss

[vale pine]

somewhere between void and march?

[thin sinew]

One day?

First hour more like

[sharp ravine]

I think its going to be a Chim case

[vale pine]

i mean, the entire goal seems to be

[barren wolf]

and if i crit during aoe or not... it genuinely frustrates me so much when i know i play well and do no damage(comparatively) so i just dont fucking care anymore

[vale pine]

to text flex mythic

*test

[thin sinew]

It’s going to be catch up welfare boss

Mythic flex 💀same tuning hell they have with heroic.
Constantly having to rescale mechanic for group sizes

Smaller either having it too hard or too easy

[barren wolf]

its gonna be a joke mate

for any semi-serious guild

0 chance they make it difficult when the purpose of the raid is to promote mythic raiding

[vale pine]

i like the idea of flex mythic

like make it flex but only have hall of fame with 20 man groups

or sth like this

idk how its on other guilds

but being one man short or 1-2 man up is always annoying

[fossil forge]

@tribal blade

resetday u already know we cooking the raidbots hq

[tribal blade]

suh

[vale pine]

btw. who in here plays a lot of m+ on sub (especially higher keys)?

[fossil forge]

like wthelly ring

[tribal blade]

that's a lot of uppies

yeah heavy mast ring

[fossil forge]

this was bis until recent changes

[tribal blade]

makes sense

[fossil forge]

looks like clanker likes more mastery

[tribal blade]

although you can go for the 2nd nexus ring

get 2 set

[tepid trellis]

unfortunately i hung up my m+ jacket

[tribal blade]

that's an extra ~0.5% dmg

[fossil forge]

but adding 100more haste does not add up

[tepid trellis]

until sub is actually a meta contender

[tribal blade]

yeah you gotta move gear around

[vale pine]

ye

[tribal blade]

move around stats

[barren wolf]

cany you "remove" haste from somewhere else

[thin sinew]

I was shocked my sim i gain 800 dps from upgrading crit haste ring from 2/6 to 6/6

[vale pine]

its sad how buchered sub was

[fossil forge]

pants and belt ig

[tribal blade]

few easy options like recrafting

gems

[fossil forge]

i needed the alleria neck ...

so i could start masterypot abuse...

[tribal blade]

i'm using alleria neck and nexus 2 set at 700 haste

[barren wolf]

fortunately, i hung it up permanently cause fuck it requires so much time to play

[keen dome]

ring buddies

[vale osprey]

Damn my guy has ZERO haste on his other pieces holy

[tribal blade]

HELL YEAH

[fossil forge]

i pretty much have almost all nexus items

[tribal blade]

haha i do have some, but not a whole lot on the others yeah

[keen dome]

I have a good chance of getting the other myth ring today with bonus rolls

[tepid trellis]

ah well i would not be going for rank 1

[fossil forge]

its between the dagger and the other ring

[tepid trellis]

just a good bit above title

[vale pine]

nicu

[tepid trellis]

playing like 2 nights a week

[tribal blade]

it's roughly 1% free dmg from both those things

depending on rng

[vale pine]

prophet

[tribal blade]

HELLO

[vale pine]

how much m+ do you play

[tribal blade]

this season not much

[thin sinew]

Get caught

[tribal blade]

i'm only like 3530 right now

i'm a SHITTER

[keen dome]

'only'

[fossil forge]

retired..

[brittle imp]

question... why is warning signs better in sgt and aoe suggested talents? Just sims better? Or because I get more cp's and that does something I am unaware of beyond more fm?

[tribal blade]

i'm retired from title pushing, not even sure if i care about getting the 1%

[barren wolf]

well... r1 keys are way too much time investment, a bit lower they feel too easy cause you can literally just dps it out with a proper group

[vale pine]

thats not too bad

[thin sinew]

So top 1% then

[tribal blade]

top 1% is above 3600 on NA atm i think

[vale pine]

r1 keys also became too much of a meta slave fest

[fossil forge]

unc is gapping me by 2 rio its over

[keen dome]

The top 1% gives me a fun goal that I won't go for but it's more realistic than title.

[tribal blade]

LOL hell yeah

[tribal blade]

it's ok considering i only do IO keys with guildies

i made a rule

not to do any pugging

[vale pine]

good rule

[hazy breach]

More combo points = more damage

[tribal blade]

yeah it's been working well

[hazy breach]

But you can play PE if you prefer, its very similar

[thin sinew]

Plus fruit ninja

[tribal blade]

my FOMO has gotten a lot better

[barren wolf]

not the worst since you can just copy strats and routes

[tribal blade]

any time i feel the fomo boiling up i tell myself "you have 4 titles, you have nothing to prove to anyone"

[violet palm]

Sorry to be offtopic. Can someone please help. I've been sitting on sims for hours and still can't figure out what do I need to do to not fall under 650(+32 from oils) haste + sim being happy-ish about it

[thin sinew]

Sub autos be like https://tenor.com/view/sid-seixeiro-sid-seixeiro-bt-toronto-breakfast-tv-gif-9727153987617152770

[tribal blade]

except for whispyr mocking me in here saying "but why not 5 titles"

[vale osprey]

Into the first xenas of the day

Can we roll the other ring :))))

[tribal blade]

i honestly love how fast we auto now

[thin sinew]

No banned if roll it

[tribal blade]

makes playing 100 energy feel fine

[thin sinew]

It’s great fun especially with swords mogged xD

[vale osprey]

First coin crit haste ring, 2nd coin was pit ring, then they fuck our crit scaling smh

[tribal blade]

I HAVE MACES MOGGED

[vale pine]

our daggers don't

[tribal blade]

i like the clunkclunkclunk of maces

[vale pine]

they need repair every dungeon it feels

[barren wolf]

king, you have nothing to prove to anyone ever
you know your worth

[tribal blade]

LOL so true

[lilac stag]

Link a top gear sim. The basics are recraft to haste or farm haste gear.

[tribal blade]

holy so true

[dusky yacht]

800g 780g 650g

[thin sinew]

Guild repairs

[tribal blade]

TY FRIEND ❤️

[brittle imp]

thats my main complaint... death in an m+ and I drop a hammer 🙁

[naive steppe]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[vale pine]

draining the guild bank ^^

[alpine wraith]

get indestructible daggers

[thin sinew]

Sounds like a GM problem

[tribal blade]

i'm having a lot of fun with sub in keys right now

[vale pine]

jeeves/reeves is my friend

[tribal blade]

the ST is really nice

[naive summit]

Reeves is a homie.

[violet palm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6ashfRxTFois6PS556psQ3

[brittle imp]

I am an alchy... I dont have ingi repper 🙁 (I know I know... blasphemy)

[lilac stag]

Swap to primary stat gem. Replace gems with Haste-Mastery gems. Done.

[thin sinew]

You need to go in timeout for not having engi on rogue

[violet palm]

That would put me to 593 haste no oils

[lilac stag]

You said you were at 650

[prime stratus]

can someone explain to me why it is a gain to have ancient arts up for supercharged finishers? i dont really get why its better, we dont loose the supercharger stack if we have to build once in between no?

[blissful basin]

hey guys, what do you think is better? A little bit more Crit or not for Mythic Raids? Stats with Mastery Flask

[hazy breach]

Supercharger = more damage. Apex = More damage
More damage two times > more damage 1 times

[violet palm]

Sorry I might type it wrong, but that is what I aim for

[prime stratus]

maybe i dont understand how apex works then it does more than just refill?

[hazy breach]

Yes

It spawns a clone

Because you are expending shadow technique stacks

[prime stratus]

thank you thats the link i was missing

[lilac stag]

Why are you aiming for 650?

[violet palm]

650 would be enough to fix with oils+ilvls/gems to reach ~680 and I'm fine with it

[fringe geyser]

!pot

[violet palm]

This is hard. I might be overthinking it yet can't figure out the sim

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim wasp]

our rotation opener talents changed?

[short radish]

holy shit i forgot how much comfier premed is

premed my beloved, never leave me again

[grim wasp]

always rare to see multi glad ranks

https://giphy.com/gifs/giphyqa-I4wGMXoi2kMDe

[tribal blade]

ty! i'm kind of an idiot, just a stubborn idiot 😉

[vale osprey]

First bonus roll in nexus - cloak

[grim wasp]

when you reached glad first time?

[vale osprey]

Will I get fucked this week hmmm

[grim wasp]

each bad roll brings you closer to the one

[potent frigate]

Did they fix Premeditation? I see them use it again on wowhead talent builds

[grim wasp]

you gonna get what you want in some 3 weeks max king stay positive

[thin sinew]

No, it's just less bad now cloud cover is dead

[vale osprey]

Nah I got super lucky with first 3 rolls

[grim wasp]

great hated that smoke in the middle

[vale osprey]

Gaze --> Pit ring --> Crit nexus ring

[lilac stag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oYt6QBX622wwooLHQv9a8m get a socket or craft a cloak to fill in the missing 22 haste. get the mythic rings with bonus rolls

[vale osprey]

Now that we've changed back to mastery rolling in nexus for chest to cata/mastery ring

How much is crafted neck? 147 or something?

[grim wasp]

i got
pit dagger ring wrist- dagger was a roll that got refund so i put outlaw to not roll it
Alguitar - ring hands cloak
skyreach - trinket
I have 3 cores left now

[summer peak]

does Sims aim to get you to 700 haste? i seem to be getting less from the sim advise

[lilac stag]

no. sim doesnt have 3 kids

[hearty steeple]

my simulation for m+, dropped haste to 350, and i am smacking

[lilac stag]

it'll drop you around 650 ish

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[trail epoch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[violet palm]

Ye, I guess this is the only way to fix a char. Thank you for your time

[rustic cobalt]

Has our bis changed back to pre cloud bis or?

[grim wasp]

2k repair build on leather what a scam this game

[lilac stag]

it's just gearing, if you need something you farm it as best you can or find alternatives via crafting.

[blissful basin]

?

[cursive tundra]

is raidbots updated with latest hotfixes? it still likes crit way too much

[hazy breach]

Yes its updated

[vale osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[half meadow]

Every week, same shit 😉

[cursive tundra]

i guess i'll have to recraft all the crit haste gear to haste mastery

[hazy breach]

Not sure what response you are expecting, those are certainly stats

[thin sinew]

It is time

https://imgur.com/a/7KsyCKl

there a reply

[fossil forge]

cloak collector

anlaki..

[thin sinew]

not even tier cloak?

smh

[tribal blade]

SIMYOSELFTWENTYTWENTYSIX

[timid trellis]

do you guys really go danse macabre over funality ?

[blissful basin]

i ask for more crit for mythic raid or stay with this stats. Raidbots sim go down with haste for more crit. but we need 700 haste ^^

[timid trellis]

finality

[hazy breach]

Most do, but either are fine

[hazy breach]

If you have other items with higher ilvl that give you more crit than you can probably equip those ye

But like, stats dont really matter much

[vale osprey]

Can they just hurry up and introduce their m+ solo q already. Can't be worse than the absolute donkeys I'm getting in these pugs anyway and wouldn't take me 30 mins to get into a 10 hehe

[lilac stag]

@violet palm 692 haste with all your current items and a recraft https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gDbTZFy1HftsNX2o8oVtq9

[blissful basin]

ok ty. Thats the max ilvl i can equip. i can only work with gems

[violet palm]

Dang. I forgot I even have haste Head. This is huge, appreciate you

[boreal cargo]

where does the cd reduction of sectec with haste come from? I cant find any talent that mention that but i may be blind

[small sleet]

Some abilities just have cooldowns that scale with haste, sectec was changed to be one of em

[boreal cargo]

ok, thanks!

[vale osprey]

Still have yet to be invited to a 10 nexus point btw

[violet palm]

I also found out I have myth 45 haste dagger

[empty bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-girl-middle-finger-mood-screw-you-leave-me-alone-gif-12370831691995374617

[marble sail]

!ss

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tight fjord]

daily PSA to eviscerate your overgrown ancient

[lilac stag]

You’re on your own with that one. I gave you the gear setup I’d run. Farm the rings from nexus.

[dry flame]

its not you , its the class.
I get declined by 7/9HC people for Myth Dreamrift (i dont need gaze and have 4-5 kills on it)

[elder isle]

if my only on use right now is Feather do i hold Shadow Blades so it lines up?

[shadow lance]

Non, you use trinket 1/2 SB

[vale osprey]

I was getting declined from fucking 1/9 myth pug runs last week at 283, 8/9 rogue with like a 90 average log :)))))

[lilac stag]

What spending 45 minutes in LFG for a 10-13 nexus and then preceding to carry the group isn’t your idea of fun?

[elder isle]

got it

[elder isle]

thanks you

[dry flame]

or just play Assa (+16 AA)
-# (overgrown ancient)

[vale osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-this-photo-i-dont-like-it-dinosandcomics-dinosaur-gif-19587179

[lilac stag]

It’s just spam. Ignore it.

[red flame]

This is so real

[tight fjord]

lmao

[dry flame]

i thought sub "funnel" was shadowstrike + BP

rather than storm + evis

[hazy breach]

Its not obvious unless you know to look out for it, but the green cooldown text indicates that it scales with haste

[small sleet]

Dat would do 0 boss damage

[modest river]

any difference in aoe build and key build?

[tight fjord]

does that 7464 number scale the same like mine is 10,088 on the logs

[wild vine]

its not funnel, its prio damage

sub has no funnel

[tight fjord]

^

[fossil forge]

nah but im getting last weeks treatment from a diffy dungeon

[dry flame]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rockstargames-gta-trilogy-gtatrilogy-6ILjOfJ1oL7NAc9SQ7

[uncut monolith]

Draught of rampant abadon pot? Sick pot and dont use ever?

[hazy breach]

Have you tried using it?

It spawns a bunch of void zones that silence you, its really annoying and only really playable on easier bosses

[vale osprey]

ofc the 1 key I get into

[fiery fog]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale osprey]

We're all 280+ absolutely blasting, 1 mob gets ninja'd the tank insta leaves

LOOOOL

I hate this video game

[lusty narwhal]

2.5% buff estimation was upgraded to 3.5%? nice!

[hazy breach]

Well the strike+bp thing doesnt cost you much aoe, but gives you a bit of priority damage

But eviscerating instead of BP tanks your aoe, but its obviously more of a prio gain than striking

[abstract cosmos]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/unholy-death-knight-the-top-of-boss-damage-last-week-midnight-season-1-dps-381516?utm_source=discord-webhook

assa pumping in raid

[hazy breach]

For reference

[abstract cosmos]

holy

[lusty narwhal]

evis does more damage on single target? 😲

[hazy breach]

Debatable, boss damage is a bit of a fake stat

Since assa cant really do any AoE, all it does is sit on boss

[graceful portal]

do we know if the sims are updated ?

[hazy breach]

They are

[graceful portal]

thx mate !

[fiery fog]

Btw the !fuu sim is using less haste than recommended right?
So we end up simming a little lower than that right?

[abstract cosmos]

how does sub feel in raid havent tested it

is it good overall dmg ?

now

[vital ocean]

the sim is for playing perceft, no human can hit that, why its recommended to get alittle more haste

[graceful osprey]

It’s kinda alright

[fiery fog]

Sub feels alright
Kinda dependent on kill timings

As all burst classes are

[trail epoch]

Do we use nightly for sims?

[hazy breach]

I mean the sim has some delays in it already by default, its very possible to hit all of your globals at 650 haste on dummies when you are locked in

[abstract cosmos]

do u think last week was better ?

[hazy breach]

But its just easier to have a few extra milliseconds of leeway

[abstract cosmos]

i mean im at 685 which im pretty sure is the cutoff no ?

[vital ocean]

yeah was my point but worded extremely bad, its doable on a dummy, but in progress/on a hard boss its alot harder

[hollow spear]

Why would last week have been better?

We got buffed by 3.5%

[abstract cosmos]

i likes cloud cover

[fiery fog]

And can play premed again

No cursed opener

Straight up into cds

[thin sinew]

i'd even say it's more than 3.5% as it was QoL improvement over CC

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepega-drive-meme-gif-16837577

[abstract cosmos]

cloud makes me ninja

[keen dome]

You could run premed before anyway

[hazy breach]

Then play cloud cover

[hollow spear]

The only thing cloud makes is me not see

[abstract cosmos]

i think i died more to cover

tbh

[fiery fog]

I could also use random talents

[abstract cosmos]

l’ura was cursed

[fiery fog]

But id like to play whats best

[pallid jackal]

Is the bis list updated for the icy veins guide?

[hazy breach]

Yes, nothing changed

[hollow spear]

Premed was like 0.1 or 0.2% for me

[pallid jackal]

Oh! okay, thank you

[keen dome]

It was like 0.3% dif for me. What was it for you?

[tribal blade]

how is this

[red flame]

I simmed worse swapping out of Premed + WS last week

[fiery fog]

For me premed was 0.5-0.6

[red flame]

Is why I kept em

[fiery fog]

Thats like a whole item

[red flame]

Also no cursed opener

[hollow spear]

Hell has to freeze over for me to swap off premed for 0.2%

[red flame]

Same fr

[keen dome]

Having less fun playing something for 0.5% damage is pretty silly, imho.

[fiery fog]

I think premed got worse as you got more crit

[trail epoch]

I need help is nightly or latest up to date rn, I get rly weird results?

[fiery fog]

And i had like 1300

Because of plume

[small sleet]

No premed felt like shit until shadow strike damage went nuclear on your opener

[red flame]

Idk I had a lot of crit, idr the actual number but it was high

[small sleet]

Then it all felt worth it

[alpine wraith]

also you could always do fast opener

just people didnt know maybe

[fiery fog]

And then u didnt crit on kill pull and now youre sad

[livid frigate]

i dont have guidon and ive only got 661 haste

[fiery fog]

[hollow spear]

Rip bozo

[tribal blade]

use haste flask

good looking out though

[fiery fog]

My alt has hero box, 780 haste and is simming 1.5k dps less than my main for some reason

[tribal blade]

i can add that

[fiery fog]

My main is stacked as hell even

[keen dome]

I like that we aren't robots. I think a lot of people miss that point with simming in general. This is good

[tribal blade]

decided to make a copy paste

because this channel has become 80% haste questions

[fiery fog]

I want to go back to crit vers stacking and blindly trust the robot with my live

[keen dome]

"Sub Rogue Stats (And why they matter less than you think)"

[tribal blade]

lol true

[keen dome]

Really good image though

[fiery fog]

Do i need 17.67% haste and 67.67% mastery and 42.69% crit???

[thin sinew]

But i've got 20.43% haste and it's only just enough

then asks the following morning

wtf now i've only got 19.43% why can't i balance my haste

what percent i need??

[keen dome]

I need to find some less hasteful trousers. I need some masterful trousers instead

[fiery fog]

Buy boe

[keen dome]

if you give me the gold for it

[tribal blade]

oh i should probably add you don't need exactly 700 or 800

[keen dome]

You could include 684 w/o oils.

[fiery fog]

Its 684 to be precise

[dry flame]

Hasters gonna haste

[keen dome]

Although I do think 700 is an eaiser number for people to understand

[fiery fog]

But then ppl will lose their shit if they are at 683 haste

[keen dome]

674 without oils even, I keep forgetting

But 700 is a nice, round figure

[dry flame]

you're a nice, round figure

[fiery fog]

You could also go for 660 haste if youre a gamer

[tribal blade]

true true

[north schooner]

oils are 32 at r2 26 is r1

[keen dome]

If you say 674, 684, etc, people will take it as gospel

Just go for 700 and people can figure it out

[hollow spear]

If I oil up irl, I can go down to 650

[slate fable]

Might as well go for 669 at that point

[tribal blade]

what's the exact breakpoint for 800 btw

or is it supposed to be roughly around 800

[hazy breach]

Not an exact breakpoint, because its not about shadowdance

Its sectech

[tribal blade]

yeah true

ok cool

[fiery fog]

I found 780 to be the sweetspot

770 works but its really really close

[spark heath]

Hypothetically, does haste matter for SBA players?

[graceful portal]

In Dslice myth puzzle box sims way higher than hero guidon. If i swap trinket i need to go up to 800 haste right ?

[vale osprey]

Ban me

[thin sinew]

mass reporting as we speak

[hollow spear]

No tertiaries?

Amateur

[livid frigate]

where can i get a good overall M+ build

[tribal blade]

this thing is about to become a novel soon

[solid lotus]

if i make a guidon backstab macro

am i dumb

idk i keep using it and dancing too fast

[small sleet]

Dance is off gcd so that doesn’t really stop anything

[solid lotus]

thats good, i didnt say dance

kek

[red flame]

.

“I didn’t say dance”

[small sleet]

Thinking emoji

[red flame]

[red flame]

Literally just count to 1 chief

[radiant swift]

@hazy breach have u palyed with pbox and 800 haste? did u manage to hit two stecs in blades without lust?

[hollow spear]

Remove the spell check on crit or I riot!

[tribal blade]

AHHH