subtlety

[swift tinsel]

wollmart seems to think so

[azure thicket]

i was talking about movement speed

[swift tinsel]

"we're affecting stuff we're fighting" but giving rogues a raid buff is spooky

[azure thicket]

atrophic is pretty good it stops a lot of 4 digit overkills

[swift tinsel]

its also the least effective raid buff

[shadow lance]

atrophic should be 5%

[swift tinsel]

you want to kill things faster not die from them slower

[azure thicket]

increased chance to miss would be cool

[shadow lance]

To balance the fact it does affect everything

[warm marlin]

buffing atrophic's dr does not solve anything

[swift tinsel]

damage checks are more important than DR

[warm marlin]

it would still get dropped when it currently gets dropped

[swift tinsel]

^^^

[shadow lance]

Maybe

But might allow to do some bosses with less healers

[swift tinsel]

not likely

[shadow lance]

I dunno

[azure thicket]

but i wouldn't put that on a poison just give rogues talent that increases the target they're hitting a higher chance to miss

[warm marlin]

on such a boss you would already be playing rogue

[graceful rock]

Also like 5%+ atro would be mandatory in high keys

[swift tinsel]

higher miss chance only affects tanks

so even less attractive than flat dr

[warm marlin]

like 5% fort is?

[azure thicket]

and by extension healers

[swift tinsel]

if your tanks are dying to dmg that's a huge issue

[graceful rock]

I mean it is

[shadow lance]

But yes, I would prefer a +3% crit

Or a +X% crit damages

[warm marlin]

priest hasnt been meta in high keys in a few seasons now

[swift tinsel]

3% crit gives parry and heal strength

on top of dmg

so its universally good

vs dr which is situationally good

[warm marlin]

atrophic NEEDS to give some form of damage increase if you want it to be unsittable

[swift tinsel]

plus many healers get straight up benefits from critting mechanically

[graceful rock]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

mana return, hot extension

[warm marlin]

1.5% damage or crit chance or whatever

[azure thicket]

i mean why would they give rogue 3% crit though? to increase their player count or to make encounters easier to tune

[shadow lance]

Yes, buyt now, you need to think about a way to apply to your group

[azure thicket]

cause there's easier ways to do that

[shadow lance]

That "fit" the lore

[swift tinsel]

because crit is universally good and there is no crit buff

[shadow lance]

lol

[swift tinsel]

and rogue historically gave crit buff

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel new patch, new me

[azure thicket]

we have a bunch of small damage taken buffs on other classes though

monk dh uhh hunter i think?

[warm marlin]

add a new nonlethal poison slot and add another poison that sickens the enemy or something

or just make atrophic do both

[swift tinsel]

yeah there's a myriad ways to implement it

[lilac stag]

poison toggle please

[shadow lance]

Hopw you increase allies crit for healers?

Or tank crit?

[somber sun]

Also extend poison duration to 2h

[warm marlin]

doesnt need to do that

you already have atro for defensive benefit

[shadow lance]

If you put a poison that : Increase crit chance to target

[shadow lance]

I was reacting to this

[azure thicket]

the only way i think blizzard would okay that is if it's part of a rogue's rotation

expose armor style

not to doom but

[shadow lance]

Not reacting, but taking it in consideration

[azure thicket]

they took it away for a reason

[shadow lance]

Cuz gameplay was Snd / break armor

[azure thicket]

if a rogue helped my baby tank not die as fast

i'd invite them all day

cause game runs on tank/healers

[shadow lance]

Oh, if you consider having both effect on same poison

[lilac stag]

game in keys runs on dps

and buffs

[azure thicket]

i mean mind numbing is basically what im saying but more

[lilac stag]

no one gives a shit about curse of tongues, mind numbing/atrop, etc

[shadow lance]

Tanks aren't suppose to rely on healers anymore

[chrome palm]

You know that dk gets numbing for free

For tank autos

Like it’s noticeably harder for tanks to live in raid without dk

[azure thicket]

had no idea, we had a bdk tank in tww s2 i think

[chrome palm]

No wait my bad it’s slightly better than numbing

On st

[azure thicket]

also curse of tongues is huge on myth chim

idk about that cook

[alpine wraith]

kidney is stronger

[sullen hare]

Punching one of those stupid little assholes right in his fear-filled kidneys is so satisfying

[alpine wraith]

SCREAM MY NAME

[swift tinsel]

I love the insta-leg sweep kidney dr

[azure thicket]

prot warrior is also pretty bad

[swift tinsel]

Ye the shockwave as soon as they plant

[azure thicket]

idk if it generates rage or something but you can talk em out of doing it if you know em

[alpine wraith]

maybe you are too slow

[swift tinsel]

Need to be like Valeera and kidney first global of combat

[alpine wraith]

that is a great way to begin pulls

cheap into kidney 2 diff mobs

tanks will love you

[azure thicket]

bruh if we could go back and do necrotic wake or grim batol

actual monster truck gameplay

[alpine wraith]

skyreach you want to do that to the auto attack birds

tanks will notice

even better if you blind blackjack them after

[warm marlin]

if you split the effect then you would need to bring 2 rogues most of the time

or assa would just bring both on its own, so you would need to nerf dtb

[sullen hare]

Flashbacks to when I would only get 3s kidneys on the behemoths during vashj prog because of spells like sundering Despairge

[shrewd lantern]

vashj

eons ago

[warm marlin]

expose weakness: your non-lethal poisons expose vulnerabilities in the target, increasing their damage taken by 1.5%

[plush roost]

Yea bud were putting that one behind imp crippling poison

-2 talents fk u

[somber sun]

can they make the tricks buff pve

[warm marlin]

oh no however will i take unbreakable stride now

[plush roost]

PI tricks !?!?

[plush roost]

Dont hate

That is my goat talent

[shrewd lantern]

tricks buff would be so goofy

then mfs would complain about aggro

and dying

[hallow mortar]

what happed to guidon again

[warm marlin]

the virgin unbreakable vs. the chad null magic

[shrewd lantern]

though its not like pvpers take the talent most times

oh right dk has that

as if they didnt have enough

[azure thicket]

do dks even take ams anymore

it's always amz lol

[plush roost]

My favorite part of that talent was it griefing your healers in halls of attonemebt

[warm marlin]

ams isnt a choice node with amz

[shrewd lantern]

yeah they're seperate

amz is just a talent isnt it

and stronger amz is another point

[plush roost]

Bro dk gets to randomly proc ams sometimes

[warm marlin]

and if the question is "does dk have it"

[plush roost]

Like what is that class

[warm marlin]

the answer is yes

[paper trail]

No way it sims
More ?

[plush roost]

Second boss magister, gurts just like

[warm marlin]

you thought the smoke interaction was too good to be true?

[plush roost]

Oh i procced

[shrewd lantern]

"in case we didnt give you enough we're also giving you 10s sprint with DA built int"

[warm marlin]

rider dk gets 20% dr in cds

[shrewd lantern]

nice rider talent

[nocturne scroll]

Dk legit play a different game

[chrome palm]

dk broke my mind when i found out that they get sprint except its WAY better than our sprint

[swift tinsel]

Two charges

[warm marlin]

root break + da affect + shorter cd + 2 charges

[swift tinsel]

Giga speed

[chrome palm]

actually how

does that happen

[shrewd lantern]

well i guess you could argue rider wasnt the default

in tww

[swift tinsel]

But they don’t have a raid buff

Despairge

[shrewd lantern]

since unholy wasnt meta except their sanlayn season?

[warm marlin]

I will send a clip from algethar when i get home

ams is truly disgusting

[swift tinsel]

They legit have delusional takes about their utility

Bc it’s otherworldly

[shrewd lantern]

i do like watching the entire group fight against alleria pull

and the dk is just

[chrome palm]

@warm marlin wouldnt it be sick if danse macabre was a "multiple applications overlap" buff that had a set 8s duration and didnt cancel when dance ends

[shrewd lantern]

afk on his horse

up top

[eager latch]

will sub go back to using algethar's puzzlebox instead of guidon in keys now?

[swift tinsel]

DA is truly an insane button

[chrome palm]

so you like, start the 2nd dance at 3-4 stacks

[swift tinsel]

Meanwhile 15% dr gone from 1.5min cd

[warm marlin]

what are u writing blud

[chrome palm]

feel like sub really needs the 2nd dance in blades to be stronger than the first for it to be interesting

[sullen hare]

[shrewd lantern]

I mean DA itself is bonkers

but rider gets horse

that is also DA but also a sprint

[sullen hare]

Messerknecht never left 2024

[warm marlin]

and to dodge m0 nerfs yes

[plush roost]

Cant wait to see what gets cooked up in s2

16 second blades...

[chrome palm]

bro s2 looking rough

[wild vine]

[swift tinsel]

Yep it’ll be fun

[warm marlin]

i said during beta

[swift tinsel]

By fun I mean not

[chrome palm]

no guidon no tier set

[warm marlin]

you take all of the ramp away

and you buff the burst cleave by reworking nimble

its gonna get nerfed

[chrome palm]

i mean its like 100% confirmed sub gets a full rework in 12.1 right

when you take away guidon and blades duratoin

[swift tinsel]

Nah

[chrome palm]

the spec doesnt exist

[plush roost]

Yeah thats the rework

[warm marlin]

we need to move on lil gup

[swift tinsel]

We’re getting 2nd charge Sectech tier set

Just wait

[azure thicket]

boss funnel was a great but kinda hidden mechanic last season and this season it's always like mini boss or some mini pack you can grab into the pull

5% increased chance to miss

just saying

[chrome palm]

my dk hit 90 yesterday

[sullen hare]

There is no help coming lmao

[white nova]

So I have been macroing my guidon with shadow blades and then instantly into dance/sectec. I started separating guidon and blades action with guidon a little before I pop blades/dance and it feels the exact same

[shrewd lantern]

what funnel

sub has no funnel

[warm marlin]

i think my request to play dk on lura will be approved

[plush roost]

I have a friend who applied for a rogue dev position we pray he gets it amen

[chrome palm]

💀

[azure thicket]

da halls of atonement pull

[warm marlin]

then I have my homie ready to take the fall after lura

[azure thicket]

with the 40 mil and the many groundskeepers

[warm marlin]

since he wants to play rogue

[shrewd lantern]

how was that funel?

[warm marlin]

i warned him

[shrewd lantern]

you just didnt press bp

[wild vine]

how can he apply for what doesnt exist

[azure thicket]

wasn't the term?

[chrome palm]

whenever someone asks me what rogue spec to play i just tell them not to play rogue

[shrewd lantern]

idk funnel hasnt existed for sub

since bfa

[azure thicket]

or is it just p is for pad

[plush roost]

Sub was anti funnel

Infact dhs would tell me not to cd on halias

[white nova]

Rude. We are a premium pure dps class 😄

[azure thicket]

im so confused

[sullen hare]

Tww sub was straight up single target with amazing cleave

[chrome palm]

my 100 mil haklias burst was all on t he burst

[warm marlin]

the other push team in our guild trying to play phys

[shrewd lantern]

avoiding actively griefing the funnel specs like havoc with bp pad

[warm marlin]

then the outlaw nerfs hit and I get asked what spec to play instead

[shrewd lantern]

isnt funnel yourself

[azure thicket]

[chrome palm]

replace the rogue with anything else and phys comp instantly improved

[sullen hare]

Enhance still counts as funnel right? Or did that change

[velvet jay]

can I already sim with the new tuning?

[warm marlin]

you're levelling a hunter lil bro

[chrome palm]

replace rogue with ret paladin now you have better damage and giga util

[warm marlin]

(he did indeed level a hunter the same day)

[chrome palm]

and better survivability

[plush roost]

Theres unironically some really good shrouds this tier

But idt it makes up for it

[chrome palm]

+3 externals +2 poison dispel +prio + overall

[shrewd lantern]

yeah phys comp is cope

replace the rogue with any other melee

see how much it improves

[warm marlin]

ok but unironically

[shrewd lantern]

[warm marlin]

i think arms aug udk

is secret op comp

[plush roost]

Nah

2x arms feral rsham

[warm marlin]

nah udk is too disgusting

[plush roost]

Uhdk doesnt like the kind of pulls arms warrior likes

[open coyote]

oh wait are we supposed to still play the crit build untill weekly reset

[chrome palm]

udk is too strong in mass aoe its their niche you see

their niche is doing m+ damage

[shrewd lantern]

i remember when they thought you couldnt grip in lou

so they cried their class was useless

[plush roost]

Uhdk boomkin arcane meanwhile xd

[shrewd lantern]

dk mains lowkey becoming as smoothbrain

as boomies

[warm marlin]

dk has been meta for 4 seasons in a row

[shrewd lantern]

[plush roost]

Hero class what can ya do

[shrewd lantern]

all i know is my guilds dk wrote essays in nerubar

about db rng

"oh no im 10% ahead of everyone instead of 40"

[warm marlin]

ye same with hunters in mfo

my lowroll is number 1 dps

my highroll is 40% ahead

cry for me

[plush roost]

Outlaw lowroll should be numba 1 dps

[chrome palm]

sub you prepare for the damage amp 40s in advance

[plush roost]

Amen

[chrome palm]

bm midrolls the burn and hits 1 button half the time twice ur dam

[junior ether]

why it sims me algethar + radiant plume over guidon + umbral in ST build 1 boss patchwerk

any ideas?

[azure thicket]

bro he's on the second floor free casting

[junior ether]

stats are not even close to be "Good"

[azure thicket]

you're making me blink up there to kick him

in a 16

[warm marlin]

with any luck I can successfully swap to flex dps and play the busted specs

[azure thicket]

[shrewd lantern]

the plumes can go either way depdning on your stats

i assume since you have more mastery the crit color sims better

[chrome palm]

need to link ur sim

[junior ether]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Cm6RaGHZnzZmtfaHpbUP2

[hallow mortar]

puzzle simming for me better too for some reason

[shrewd lantern]

are they both mythic

[chrome palm]

is that your haste with a haste flask on

[azure thicket]

probably the haste flask sim wants crit

[chrome palm]

if you are >800 haste guidon might sim worse

[junior ether]

yessir

stats i sent - with flask on for haste

[chrome palm]

also id suggest simming no scruples instead of cloud cover

[pine viper]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[chrome palm]

best not to make decisions around gear with cloud cover when it wont really be used after reset

[junior ether]

im simming current build because going mythic raid today, i'll re-do everything after update

[hallow mortar]

already did

[warm marlin]

also an aside but udk should be used as model for melee dps moving forward. you have a few spells that still require hard melee range, and you lose some dps running out but you don't get completely obliterated by loss of uptime

[junior ether]

and ye i have premed, it's not mistake xD

[chrome palm]

dumb question but have you tried simming crit plume

[warm marlin]

the qol is insane and it feels much more equivalent to playing a ranged spec

[hallow mortar]

smile https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i16cH4Zvi3XN6Cw1ujxSH1

[warm marlin]

where you aren't just perma suffering to swirls and run out mechanics etc.

[hallow mortar]

its miracle

[junior ether]

not dumb question, i actually forgot to add it into my sim

lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Qjrgrqcm6EZoToYUGkyPP

well yeah, now its way "normal" build

[chrome palm]

ah so probably just the myth being better than heroic i guess

[lilac stag]

Welcome to bm Hunter

[hallow mortar]

wonder if we start playing puzzle

by default

gotta trust robot

he say go puzzle or eat dirt

[shrewd lantern]

puzzle better to pad on dragons

[chrome palm]

i will not be bonus rolling aa

[shrewd lantern]

maybe

dont quote me

[hallow mortar]

yeah but sim is ST 5min

[vale pine]

would say its either half or pseudo melee

thats why its so crazy how immortal the class is while still doing significant damage

[junior ether]

with gaze its even better, but sadly no gaze for me, 2 weeks - 4 chances - 0 items

[warm marlin]

you need to press 2 melee gcds every 25s, 1 melee gcd every 45s, and 1 melee gcd every 15s in execute

its mostly ranged

[hallow mortar]

okay i figure it out, after recrafting to mastery gudion pull ahead at same ilvl again

[warm marlin]

but you do lose auto attack damage and some other slight things not being in melee

[glacial hinge]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

meanwhile most ranged only lose significant damage on large movement

[hazy breach]

Or sometimes random movement you cant plan for

[hallow mortar]

i killed alleria for first time yesterday, i felt every puddle drop i got, and i got many

[warm marlin]

or that

but for a good ranged player i wouldn't say you lose a lot of damage to movement

[hazy breach]

(and for most people any movement is random movement they didnt plan for )

[hallow mortar]

ranged have like gate for any meaningful movment i would say

[warm marlin]

i just knew udk was like this but actually playing it you feel like a melee but you don't actually want to blow up when losing uptime

it's chill in the same sense that playing ranged dps in keys is mostly payphone

[hallow mortar]

i really enjoy playing bm for this reason, you get free movment and almost no casting

you just yumping around

it feel very relaxing not caring about anything

[hazy breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e8bH39LFtxRqnsnhpDBdJY

[vale pine]

exactly, thats why we technically would need to seperate between:

• pure melee
• hybrid/pseudo melee
• Ranged

[hazy breach]

turns out when you dont have any mastery the mastery trinket is really good, if you just get more mastery its less good

[hazy breach]

Ah

[hallow mortar]

im planning to recraft, but still raiding this week

[warm marlin]

sure but i think other melee should have ways to mitigate being out of melee the way udk does. for example giving shuriken toss 2 charges and making it allow you to cast spells/auto at range for 5s or something

[hazy breach]

Assa pooling energy would be that as an example

If 20% of their damage didnt come from autos

[warm marlin]

this is true

[hallow mortar]

i completly agree with you ryldd but that would require some work from blizazrd, on class they dont like to work on

[hallow mortar]

when we were progging paladins, we had too many melees, i told them im fine with being in non melee soak as i though i could just pull energy

was playing in melee on anyway

[warm marlin]

yeah I played assa on paladins a couple times and straight up felt like i never ran out of energy

it honestly felt more susceptible to downtime than sub and feint was costly

[hallow mortar]

you dont

idk what was the hustle with assa energy, i felt like its fine in any content

[paper trail]

You hold puzzle for every 2nd blades right

[hallow mortar]

i wanna give try assa on dragons, seems fun the build they play there

[azure thicket]

i sent deathmark on a imperator add last week cause i was scared

[hallow mortar]

thats big commitment, but we wiped to add enrage in past couple times 😄

[azure thicket]

the way they have ce right now

it'd be nice if you could go back and do more attempts

outside of your lockout i dunno

booster issues

like once you got a ce achievement

[robust saddle]

crit or mastery flask for higher-ish m+ ?

before reset

[pine viper]

Does the order for Guidon macro matter?

I assume it does right

is this correct?

[cinder swan]

mastery

[grim wasp]

sup guys what new stuffs we got today that i missed

[cinder swan]

shouldnt use guidon in macro

[pine viper]

how should I use it

before the macro?

[cinder swan]

yea

[pine viper]

really it fucks it up?

[cinder swan]

yea the haste wont register for dance and secteq

[azure thicket]

yeah let it tick from 1:30 to 1:29 and start cds

[vale pine]

balance changes are tomorrow or the day after, depending on your time zone

but tl;dr: we basically go back to before cloud cover

tho get a small buff to make up for it

so happy subtlety

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[winter current]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[pine viper]

thank you 1 more question does that mean i should wait for about 1 second to press macro after using guidon?

or doing it quick works

[winter current]

you should

P sure the faq says it, but it takes a second for the server to update based on your ping

[pine viper]

damn ok

thank you really useful

[merry ice]

Hello guys im 268 rogue what missive should i put on my crafted weapon? Or just to follow the sim?

[vale pine]

crit + mastery or haste + mastery usually

but can just sim

[merry ice]

Is it okay if you have over 700haste but less mastery? Or its pure dmg loss above 700haste

[lilac stag]

it’s a decent drop off after 700

684-700 is sweet spot

[vagrant fulcrum]

you can make more haste usable if you're laggy / super high ping

[unreal ledge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[blazing iron]

hello, for a dumb(mostly) sin only player, what makes sub so greatly preferred for mythic lura? one main thing I think is it can do better burst for crystals but is that necessary to warrant over sin?

[vale pine]

if you are comfortable on sin, play it

no real reason to switch

[plush roost]

Sin will become better as lust gets closer to execute

Rn its just sub is tanky + more mobile and the fight has good 1:30 timers

[blazing iron]

ah that makes sense, thanks for the insight, ima prolly try to sin it out but those are pretty good reasons to lean playing sub if you were proficient equally in both <3

[plush roost]

Sin did feel fine i played it for like a couple hrs

When deepening shadows bugged and didnt apply haste XD

[hallow mortar]

@plush roost we starting egg tommroow, and we got your kill as reference 😄 im back up on hunters gate clear 😄

[plush roost]

Oh well uh

Dont look at the rogue damage parts only the feint and cloak usage!

Ahem...

We got a little bit unlucky on envenom crits

[blazing iron]

yalls kill was my guilds reference also

[hallow mortar]

we are not doing feint cheat soaks tho

we are doing ranged soaks and rogues clearing returning balls after intermission with cloak

[plush roost]

Ye pro tip for that set

Clear more towards where youre gonna drop the soaks

[blazing iron]

thats what we ended up doing also, but with rogue still as backup soak

[plush roost]

So the path is gud

[hallow mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[plush roost]

Esp if ur on the east or south side

[hallow mortar]

seems chill

we got to try before nerf which is nice

[chrome palm]

Did you fall for sin bait too

Yeah sin is really cool until you crit 25% of envenoms

[velvet bear]

So guys, something's strange... I'm currently at 16.98% haste (597) but haste sims worse than crit/mastery. I got the Alleria neck, but it sims worse for example. any idea why?

[alpine wraith]

do you have guidon

and 4 set

[velvet bear]

yes

[alpine wraith]

then just dont care that much about the stat spread first try to get like 680 to 700 haste anyway

[dry surge]

Aren't sims prejudice against haste for some reason

[velvet bear]

hmm okay. I thought that maybe sims are incorrect and I need to hard stack haste to 700

[undone mesa]

hello there!
Guys im studying some logs from alleria M and saw a few sub rogues with more crit than mastery and 700+ haste (minimal).

Because Cloud Clover crist has more value than mastery?

[vale pine]

yes

cloud cover likes crit

[void jungle]

After tomorow, not anymore, right?

[vale pine]

but we are back to less crit with the balance tuning

so its very temporary

[void jungle]

less crit with the balance tuning = 1k+mastery // ~700 Haste // As much crit as possible?

[mellow hedge]

anyone's raid leader on belo'ran make them do every single soak?

[undone mesa]

hummm, so i dont need to rush and recraft my gear

[undone mesa]

for now i can play my assassin set? Crit > haste > mastery

[vale pine]

nope

what happens is basically

cloud cover shifts crit as a very good stat

but we won't play it with reset

so we are back to a good mix of crit/mastery after hitting the 700 haste

[serene notch]

Ok…that explains a lot on what I was seeing in my sims.

I thought I was going crazy

[undone mesa]

ok, i was thinking about it today as pre reset

[lilac stag]

Doesn’t matter. You’re saving supercharges for ehh

[undone mesa]

okay! ty fuu

[serene notch]

Will you update wowhead @fuu this week?

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hCwuebk4HwmxsRu4V92ACX https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QZvryRp87WBCNa4q?fight=3&type=damage-done https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QZvryRp87WBCNa4q?fight=3&type=damage-done https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fakQ8TwxDZ4t79np?fight=2&type=damage-done at the 5-7 minute marker in my dungeons my dps dips low , any tips to keep it higher here ?

[vale pine]

already updated it today

unless i missed something

[serene notch]

Nice thanks 🙏, will read when I get home.

[vale pine]

stats are nicer

more evenly spread

gameplay does not change much

we just move back to old talents

and switch back to mastery flask

[serene notch]

Hope I finally get a guidon with reset….I feel so incredibly weak without a on use.

[edgy imp]

same

gonna reroll Imp Av for bonus loot , unless i get in myth raid slot vault

[golden totem]

do you still have the "old" visual ? curious i havent seen it the couple weeks we got to experience it

[vale pine]

let me check

alright:
Cloud cover - After Cloud cover nerfs

[rain swift]

what was the command for log review?

[warm marlin]

I volunteered for this

[mellow hedge]

did you take mirrors over smoke in trickster?

[undone mesa]

@vale pine i was checking the wowhead guide and look for some awnsers about it in this disc, but im really lost about the right way to use the second sectec inside SB. Some logs (outside of lust) ppl use the second sectec with supercharge 3-4 seconds before SB expire and in some logs ppl line the 8s of SD with the remaining 8s of SB and use sectec without Supercharge.

Do u mind to update it to me witch one is the right way to do? outside of lust i mean.

[warm marlin]

no but honestly pretty good idea

i just used feint + dance dr from fade

[vale pine]

the best way is to just use dance again with 8 sec duration left on blades

delaying further is usually only a very minimal gain, (0.1% or 0.2%)

and has a higher chance to fuck up

so not worth it

[undone mesa]

ok! thank you!! so now i can follow the right way

[mellow hedge]

you used dance defensively for every dive because of fade to nothing?

[undone mesa]

blessings!!

[warm marlin]

yes

I was also stacking superchargers so i didnt need them for damage

with mirrors you probably dont need to dance though

i think on some soaks i would have died without fade dr

[trail zodiac]

Guys, can we macro shadow blades with guidon? Aren't there any problems with that?

[hazy breach]

Technically can, but you want to use guidon about a second before you dance

[undone mesa]

yes, but the right way is to wait a sec to use shadowdance

[hazy breach]

So you'd just be wasting 1 second of blades uptime

[trail zodiac]

I mean to use just with shadow blades and after that shadow dance

[hazy breach]

If you want to macro id suggest guidon seperately and then blades+dance+sectech macro

[undone mesa]

humm this is nice! did not think about it hahaa

[trail zodiac]

Aah, so I'd be better to use guidon separately and others all together

[trail zodiac]

Yeah I'm using prepot+shadow dance+sectec on one macro

Jus thought it would be smoother in terms of triggering guidon and shadow blades cooldown just in one time

[plush roost]

An execute burn we wiped on i did 260k....

Tragic

[summer peak]

Does haste tricker have any effect on 700? Can’t get mythic due to raid extension and Gona get puzzle Wednesday from bonus rolls . So I need to change anything

[vale pine]

not playing the haste on use, you want to go to 800 haste

[summer peak]

Ok thanks mate, does it make sense to use mythic 289 box over 276 guidon?

Can’t SIM atm

[rain swift]

!log

[golden totem]

ty!

[vale pine]

sim it later then ^^

[junior ether]

@vale pinemr fuu give advice for mythic dragons

since they're super close - we spam shadowstrike - powder inside SD?

and outside default shuriken - powder?

[edgy imp]

whats cooldown for sectech when you use guidon ???

[tight blaze]

shadowblades i think

[vale pine]

yes

[gilded ferry]

its over, im washed, can only parse in hc

[vale pine]

people pad a lot on logs

don't think logs do filter out damage much

[gilded ferry]

maybe the case, but, they know how to pad as well, this is important

[tight cypress]

is premed still buggy with apex talent?

[gilded ferry]

yes

[tight cypress]

man that's annoying

thx for the info

[native hawk]

belo'ren finally dead out of shadowstrike jail

[warm marlin]

@chrome palm @plush roost thoughts?

[swift tinsel]

while doing full dps too

fuck alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the way off with this spec

and class except bdk

[chrome palm]

lol

this class man

glad they have better cloak on a shorter cd

[hazy breach]

You can also do it when amz randomly procs

From the rider tree

[chrome palm]

and better sprint on shorter cd

[warm marlin]

i dont even play this

i like the 20% dr in cds better

[hazy breach]

Oh yeah

[warm marlin]

the timing for this specific usage is a bit particular to catch the orbs and immune the bomb

[warm marlin]

dw though, 15% dr from smoke was too op and needs immediate removal

[swift tinsel]

can have 20% dr in cds but our 15% is too much

gut it!

no fun allowed

also getting random passive 5% dr from the rider procs too

[warm marlin]

spec also has funnel

[chrome palm]

dont forget execute

and pi scaling

[warm marlin]

your mastery scales your crit damage btw

never before seen scaling

[swift tinsel]

what the literal fuck

l m f a o o o o o

how

[warm marlin]

ye its not a small value either

[swift tinsel]

nearly 2/2 finality value lmao

this game is so stupid

[hollow quest]

Just some dk shenanigans

[swift tinsel]

and you can spec into further crit dmg% in either

[hollow quest]

Time to prepare a twink of any viable class for s2 just in case

[swift tinsel]

gonna try and run a plate stack with guild tonight and use some rolls on the warrior

[hazy breach]

Only thing spec cant do is quick burst aoe

[chrome palm]

unless they proc**

[warm marlin]

your ramp is like 3 gcds

that you do while its grouping

[swift tinsel]

that spec is 30sec away from being able to spread/burst disease by blinking

[warm marlin]

udk has 0 weaknesses

like literally none

[swift tinsel]

yep

[hollow quest]

There is where we shine ✨

[chrome palm]

our udk randomly topped crystal damage one pull because of their procs and it only happeend once

[hazy breach]

Tankiest spec in the game, infinite range, immunity on 1/4 the cd of other immunities, highest aoe, strong mobility

[swift tinsel]

immortal, every damage profile under the sun

and yet they cry themselves to sleep

bugholy

no raid buff

hashtag campaign

[chrome palm]

no raid buff

only external, brez, tank auto debuff

[warm marlin]

"low mythic plus utility" - udk guidewriter

[chrome palm]

grip

[swift tinsel]

no shot thats in there

[chrome palm]

it is bro

[hollow quest]

[warm marlin]

ye its a listed weakness of the spec

[swift tinsel]

what

the

fuck

the

delusion

is

insane

[swift tinsel]

a;sldfjasl;dkfja;lsdkfjasl;dkfjasdf

[chrome palm]

dk is so unwanted in m+ ☹️

[swift tinsel]

taez

how

[dim oak]

Grip isn’t good guys

[hollow quest]

Thats hella cope

[dim oak]

Neither is AMZ

[chrome palm]

cope with what

being god

[swift tinsel]

how the fuck do you square that circle and not have just rampant cognitive dissonance

[hollow quest]

Ye

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-4693057381493629157

[chrome palm]

notice he calls dk a melee spec here

dont let them slip that in

[swift tinsel]

yeah its literally festering strike/scythe and soul reaper

since auto attacks don't proc sudden death anymore

[chrome palm]

they gotta be in melee every 15s man

wym

thats like, a lot

[warm marlin]

thats only in execute

[hollow quest]

It’s legit a range class atp

[warm marlin]

its 25s outside execute

[swift tinsel]

hehehe

[warm marlin]

i tried to actually sim it to find out but im not smart enough

[swift tinsel]

even ret is tied to melee now bc of skyfury affecting CSAA

[warm marlin]

in theory you lose some damage from being at range because your melee ghouls take time walking to the boss

[swift tinsel]

so they're not able to fit the meme as much anymore

[warm marlin]

so your ghouls lose melee uptime

[swift tinsel]

its all magi and putrify ghoul bombs isn't it

[warm marlin]

but like just auto attacks is only 3% of your st

[swift tinsel]

melee minions are low I thought

[warm marlin]

idk there are 8 million damage sources on this spec

[swift tinsel]

lol true

[warm marlin]

a page of events on aa first pull

covers about 200ms

[swift tinsel]

I remember before there was a working dmg meter replacement you couldn't enlarge the damage window enough to show all sources

[hazy breach]

But theyre gonna continue to be thanos for the rest of the patch, and probably rest of the expac too

[cyan saddle]

Is the decrease in duration to cloud cover going to affect its impact on shadow strike?

[sacred shell]

Did i miss something ? Do we premed again?

[swift tinsel]

one of our dks is talking about playing ww bc he's mad about the nerfs so I might yoink his spot lol

and we'll just go rogueless

[cyan saddle]

Sorry Eleem. Just saw pin. Thanks!

[red flame]

I loved WW in s2 TWW when I played it ; makes me sad now you have to pick between Strike of the Windlord or Whirling Dragon Punch

Fun never lasts fr

[swift tinsel]

idk I tried playing ww a few days ago and it feels like you're channeling FoF for an eternity

[sacred shell]

Sorry im bad at discord , how do I read the pins

[swift tinsel]

and feels disruptive to the rest of the gameplay

[tepid trellis]

pin icon top right corner

[swift tinsel]

the double zenith stomp is pretty fun button though

[red flame]

Love how the emoji is a guide

[sacred shell]

Ah I'm on mobile so it wasnt there

[red flame]

Whole pinned msg doesn’t show on mobile either unless you click it I found out

[limpid sage]

That’s post duration reduction btw

[swift tinsel]

yeah it just feels too obtrusive

[limpid sage]

I think it’s extremely fun atm

But they should really make kick usable while fisting

[swift tinsel]

if it were like...60% as long I'd enjoy it

bc the gameplay is still great with mastery being what it is, and rushing wind kick not counting as rsk for mastery

and proccing fairly often

[limpid sage]

They also need to put stomp on mastery

[swift tinsel]

lmao is it not

hahaha that sucks

[limpid sage]

Nope

It benefits from it though

[swift tinsel]

classic blizzard W

oh I thought you meant it didn't get the damage buff

[limpid sage]

But if you do something like palm->stomp->palm you break hit combo

[swift tinsel]

that's smelly

[limpid sage]

Ya

It’s weird that you can stomp back to back and it’ll benefit from mastery as well

[swift tinsel]

its such an interesting spec with how its mastery and short cds interact

[limpid sage]

Really enjoying it lately

[swift tinsel]

can get a little iffy sometimes esp if you're playing the bok granting chi talent

[limpid sage]

My monk started out at like 256 this week

It’s already 279

[swift tinsel]

and you're resource capped

lmao glowup

I need to juice the warrior, only at 255 but I didn't really feel like playing this week since it was really nice out lol

[limpid sage]

Ya it’s a little weird just ignoring energy in zenith

[swift tinsel]

I mean we do it in dance

with energy and cp basically

[limpid sage]

Ye I mean I’m used to it

[swift tinsel]

but it is odd

bc most specs do not do that lol

[limpid sage]

Backstabbing for 20 seconds straight in MFO xd

[real panther]

so we stop using cloud talent next patch right?

[limpid sage]

but I’d imagine other people find it funky

[limpid sage]

Ya it’s outlined in most recent pin

[dusky yacht]

28% crit, 687 haste, 68% mastery without flask for next patch

Decided to recraft just my neck back to haste mastery cause with the 12% crit from no scrup I'll have a clean 40% crit on finishers unbuffed

[raw frost]

you will have 40 % crit buffed as well 😄

nothing gives crit anyway ;d

[hard trellis]

why my 2nd dance never up in blades anymore

zzz

[dusky yacht]

You're dancing one too many times probably the one right after blades without sectec being up

[edgy imp]

for sub in the new patch does faze stack or are the changes to outlaw apply to sub too ??

[kind edge]

looks like we keep the 3 stack, outlaw 2.

BUT looks like we are not going to use cloud anymore. we are going back to old builds, if blizzard dont change nothing until there

[prisma ibex]

i don' really get it

why stack then lol

if will give nothing

blizz doing blizz things

[tepid trellis]

still gives the fazed dmg buffs

what actually kills its strength is the duration nerf

[kind edge]

seems like the rogue population is way too big, they wanna nerf rogues so ppl can migrate to other classes and balance it a little bit more

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-smile-don't-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-funny-giggle-gif-6467512265182122147

[prisma ibex]

yeah, that too

not even the entire SB

[prisma ibex]

uhnn, but only one time?

[tepid trellis]

nah it still stacks

what is getting yeeted is the crit dmg on builders

and dmg reduction

[prisma ibex]

got it

[hazy breach]

It probably still stacks to 3 and theyve probably removed the crit damage stacking, but we cant really know for sure until servers come up tomorrow

They mightve made it so the stacks of fazed always lasts for their entire duration instead of getting refreshed to 1 once you proc, we just cant know

[tepid trellis]

ngl im all for them nerfing cloud

i hated it

[kind edge]

what u hated about it ? the visual ?

[hazy breach]

Also no way of knowing if 7% means we go from x1.13 to 1.20 or 1.21

[tepid trellis]

here in the red circle there is a constallation spawn

sick

10 out of fcking 10

[kind edge]

your cloud looks way too grey 😐

weird, never saw it that way

looks like my old car was there raiding with u

[tepid trellis]

in p3 on lura i would press blades and walk to the other side just to not have to deal with it

[native zodiac]

you can turn particles to low and you dont see the cloud, just preference as some other mechanics get harder to see then

i personally did it on lura

[tepid trellis]

dont want compromises

i want them to fix their bum ass

talents

[native zodiac]

i mean yeah im glad smoke bomb is gone

dunno who had the idea of that talent

[plush roost]

U played lura with particle effects on??

Wildin

Makes glaives way easier if theyre off regardless of smoke

[native zodiac]

my cloud as comparison

[tepid trellis]

never had issues with seeing glaives

[plush roost]

Through boss glaives ugh

[tepid trellis]

our tank just called those

[plush roost]

Our raids comms just became "again, ricochet, again, left again, through boss right again"

[warm marlin]

can you see it

[plush roost]

Like if u played hella zoomed out u could see them ahead of time

And ye

[warm marlin]

my cam angle a bit bad but this one went into boss hitbox and just vanished

i was trying to see the ricochet angle

[plush roost]

That one youd just have to be watching it ahead of time imo

Idk i had one extremely bad glaive munching night

And i made it my goal rest of prog to dial in insanely hard on glaives

Drop dps drop uptime i do not care

[native zodiac]

i had an harder time on constellations then glaives personally

[plush roost]

Think i ate 2 more glaives total after that for 4 nights?

[tepid trellis]

tbf lura has no dps check now

[plush roost]

One was to cover s soak

Yeah dps check mia

[plush roost]

Triangle method

Identify a triangle of stars

Never get hit

[native zodiac]

i just stood next to a line i know thats gonna connect after a while

bc youre always safe that way aswell

[plush roost]

Ye that works too

Our whole raid just stood inside triangles

[tepid trellis]

that was what we mostly did too

[plush roost]

Was very funny when like 7 of us pixel stacked

[warm marlin]

yeah i died once or twice stupidly and just locked in and have not been hit since

not like it really matters if i die

[west tide]

chat i think ima do a seed

[pine viper]

what is this green border

[hazy breach]

You have it equipped

[pine viper]

no shot it was always like this

[hazy breach]

It has always been like that yes

[pine viper]

oh my days

its triggering me

AAAAA

[native zodiac]

this is so real

0 assignments, 0 agency, full vibes

[buoyant umbra]

fellas i have a Q. I have a hero 6/6 gaze and a champion 6/6 solarflare prism but i just recieved a kroluk warbanner 3/6. should i use kroluks over solarflare?

[peak patrol]

[buoyant umbra]

oh true i forgot that was a thing

[mint bobcat]

Do one better and hit the training dummies to avoid sim bait

[frosty bramble]

Dummies would be worse than real world lol (ie raids/dungeons)

[hazy breach]

True, just hit the dummy 1000s of times instead

[fallow ingot]

Ready for wednesday (without flask with oil)

[dreamy escarp]

Even without mag flask, mastery seems too low, crit too high

[fallow ingot]

Cannot do magic atm

Old talents also means that after the Haste breakpoint, its probably more worth to go Mastery than Critical Strike, or atleast have them fairly balanced. If you went full crit for cloud cover its probably time to swap back to Mastery Flask. Fearly balanced is fine too

[dreamy escarp]

You should roll ~150 of that crit into mastery, and kill the vers

[fallow ingot]

how can u kill the vers, it came for head tier set

[hollow raptor]

stats do not matter

[dreamy escarp]

ah yea nvm thought the head was lower

Darkest intent head + tier legs, or tier head/shaggy legs always get some vers unfortunately

[somber sun]

yes

I run pure vers

that's how im top 1 parse all regions

[lyric violet]

Im sorry man, what is the addon? I wanna share mine if possible

[thin sinew]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/chonky-character-sheet

[fallow ingot]

yep this one

[lyric violet]

Ty both ❤️

Edit: incredible addon

[thin sinew]

Yeh i've used a few over the years. but this one seemed to have the most friendly inferface.
but like the name suggests it is a bit chonky

[hollow raptor]

i raid in full pvp gear

[vestal relic]

you can set it up

to be less chonky

[lyric violet]

I like it a lot XD

Anyway ill run this in raid

And this in M+

With all up

[somber sun]

holy chad

[lyric violet]

I can play with potions or gems

[somber sun]

I used to do that back in tbc

[lyric violet]

What can be the correct min-max option? O:

[somber sun]

" yo why is our rogue damage so low "

[somber sun]

lowkey

[lyric violet]

This season the sim fuck my head but yes @.@

[somber sun]

you have to

[dusky yacht]

Why lmao

[dusky yacht]

I remember outdpsing PvErs in ulduar on my arms warrior after being dragged to my resto druid's raids because I had glad weap early in the season and it was op as hell in pve

I didn't even have hitcap

[somber sun]

good old times

sucks that rogue is shit in it now

would boot up anniversary instantly otherwise

[dusky yacht]

GDKPs ruined classic

[somber sun]

facts

idk what are they cooking ngl

just put pack the lid gang

[dusky yacht]

I played first classic release and had loads of fun, but then they took too long to release BWL and GDKPs popped up, by the time BWL was released it was already cooked, half the playerbase was fury warrior and full of themselves

[somber sun]

not the fury warriors

[stuck lance]

sims arent updated til tomorrow are they?

[dusky yacht]

Prolly not no

[hazy breach]

Correct

But if you just sim with no scruples you will get pretty much the correct results anyway

Aura buffs have no impact on gear and stuff, and +2% crit on finishers is mostly negligible

[dusky yacht]

There's people already saying others should stack mastery again, I'm just gonna lean towards it and call it a day

[flat beacon]

Do the changes to Cloud Cover with the next weekly reset?

[dusky yacht]

yes

[flat beacon]

Kinda lame that the talent will be dropped already...

[random mason]

Was a fun 2 weeks

[dusky yacht]

You can keep it if you want

It will just not be as good

[flat beacon]

I guess, but min-maxing builds for +14 keys is like an addiction

[somber sun]

2 fun weeks indeed

they're just testing stuff

I trust in them

one week gonna be the one, they will drop back every change with buffs reverted

[gray patrol]

bis itens changed again why ?

[thin sinew]

[somber sun]

👉👉👉👉👉👉👉👉👉👉👉👉 📌

[dense knoll]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

GRATS @tepid trellis

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade how bored are you?

[tribal blade]

uhhh capturing pets

in the wild

[lilac stag]

run my rat ass warrior in a 10

[tribal blade]

haha sure if you need

1 sec

[lilac stag]

I have to setup arms still. Been playing prot.

[swift tinsel]

Me begging my guild for poverty 10’s lol

Colo arms has been pretty fun

[hollow spear]

Why are you calling my arms funny?

[swift tinsel]

I said fun!

[hollow spear]

Just haven't been to the gym in a while

[short radish]

noodle arms

[swift tinsel]

The big ones scare me

[hollow spear]

You know what scares me

Outlaw chat

[swift tinsel]

Valid

[tribal blade]

am i blind i don't see you online

oh are you hiding

[lilac stag]

No. Bnet crashed.

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[lilac stag]

There now?

[peak ice]

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♂️

[somber sun]

Gym calls cuh

[peak ice]

Oh dam outlaw buffs

[thin sinew]

sorta

slightly reduced nerf

[hollow spear]

Busy getting fat on vacation, ignore call

[hollow spear]

No, "buffed again"

[random mason]

Yeah maybe getting close to neutral

[left ledge]

yo

[thin sinew]

Classic Whispyr bait 😛

[random mason]

Dont think so but still

[hollow spear]

Whispyr playing them like a fiddle

[left ledge]

what are the chances they keep the crit modifier from cloud cover stacks

[peak ice]

Not good

[thin sinew]

You know he's sitting there rubbing his hands together with a cartoon evil grin on his face

all like hehehehhehehe

[peak ice]

Maffic at home like

“Yes… I did this”

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♂️

[hazy breach]

[somber sun]

Gym 5 am then spend all day outside-> 8pm-10pm raiding

[hollow spear]

Chance of them intending to keep the crit mod: 0
Chance of them messing it up: 50/50

[hazy breach]

Probably not, but who knows

[somber sun]

Dude I'd love to do progs daily

[left ledge]

right... but they state "secondary effects, such as the damage reduction from the Smoke talent."

[peak ice]

I thought it didn’t really matter if we do

[left ledge]

so idek anymore

[peak ice]

Cause the duration is shit

[left ledge]

like if they keep the crit damage in

this is a decent buff no?

[hollow spear]

Not even, think Eleem calculated it

[left ledge]

really

[steady plover]

now the net gain for subtely and outlaw is the same after 0.5 right?

[hollow spear]

Wasn't as impactful as I thought it was

[peak ice]

I think the reduced uptime I’d what kills it’s

[left ledge]

no

outlaw is still nerfed

(if the crit thing isnt in)

we honestly dont know, for all we know cloud cover might start casting distracts again

[hollow spear]

Outlaw gigabuffed, don't trust their propaganda

[left ledge]

i dont think they've released literally anything this expansion that wasnt broken

[peak ice]

Why didn’t we also get buffed

[thin sinew]

The cash shop...

[peak ice]

Where’s the parity

[left ledge]

ironically enough

that was broken too

the furniture sets were completely fucked on release

[peak ice]

$70 for house it’s is

Crazy

[left ledge]

so no not even that

[thin sinew]

i didn't know that xD

hahah

[left ledge]

they've actually not released a single working patch

[thin sinew]

pretty sad really isn't it

[left ledge]

yeah it is quite sad

feels more and more like a slop game

the raid fights are still cool

i really like lura

coolest boss ive done so far

but everything else is just such ass

[short radish]

"No corners cut, no compromises in terms of what we're delivering and no sacrifices to quality.

John Blizzard

yeah only progged for 30 seconds

but it's been a fun 30 seconds

[thin sinew]

Things that get overlooked.
encounter design
music
art
but when the game just blows arseholes from bugs it killed those 3 cool things

[left ledge]

eh

[short radish]

acutally you know who i feel really really bad for? Level/quest/map designers

[left ledge]

the art is kinda weak this expansion idk

at least the raids

the raid themes are kinda...

[short radish]

all the effort into designing the massive world

[left ledge]

eh

[short radish]

that doesnt get played

[random mason]

Tbh they kinda do that to themselves

[left ledge]

yeah they are shoving the entire playerbase into m+ slop

god i hate m+

[thin sinew]

eh i sorta lazily lump level/map designers with the art team but quests definitely some of the cool side stories people will never bother to give them a second look just click through them

[left ledge]

they really just removed every affix in the game, and started recycling old dungeons

and the new dungeons they've been releasing are some of the worst ive ever played

[random mason]

DF was so cool for world content as a returning player

[left ledge]

there is NOTHING interesting about these dungeons holy shit

[random mason]

You can press W as a tank pretty hard tho so thats fun

[left ledge]

im not even talking about just route

[thin sinew]

nope dungeons are pretty weak.

every time i go back to older expansions and the dungeon list has a scroll bar i'm like

Damn

[left ledge]

the dungeons literally dont offer anything unique

[random mason]

Yeah im saying the most fun part for me in the dungeons is limit teating my party in my weekly +10s

The fights are all boring

Trash not interesting

[left ledge]

nothing happens on most dungeon bosses

[random mason]

Pit first area is kinda nice imo

[left ledge]

like actually nothing happens

[random mason]

Before the tunnel

[thin sinew]

even better with the engaging gameplay
storm > BP > storm > BP 😄

[shrewd lantern]

hey skyreach knocks off stupid people

[random mason]

Yeah i am tempted to put my dmg meter next to my cdm to have something to watch

[shrewd lantern]

[left ledge]

im not talking about old dungeons encounters

which are sadly more interactive than the new ones

im talking about the new ones

[thin sinew]

Well see cloud cover gave us something extra to do
squint and try see ground effects but now that'll be gone

[random mason]

Skyreach i managed to get my dev dh knocked back to dungeon start from first boss platform

[brisk wind]

Should I only be shadow dancing when I have blades up or whenevber i can pop SD and technique?

[random mason]

Cant even grief party with the cloud anymore

Whats the point

Maisara first pull was so funny

[north schooner]

@swift tinsel like no way this person is not a troll

[brisk onyx]

he lives in his own world

god bless him

[kind edge]

atleast he is always happy no matter what

i envy him

[north schooner]

same

[peak ice]

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♂️

[north schooner]

26k posts is real dedication to the cause

[peak ice]

Pretty easy when you’re just a dipshit

[north schooner]

rude

[kind edge]

i guess he have a legion of followers, when they are sad they read something he wrote, atleast they can laugh a bit

[craggy quail]

which flask would be better to use? crit or mastery?

[brisk onyx]

But when your post is inexplicably targeted by him and turns into a farce, you might think differently

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[peak ice]

King of just getting into fights about nothing

[swift tinsel]

I’m 1000% convinced he’s a psyop

[somber sun]

Need Tom gif too

[peak ice]

This is too dumb for a psyop

[north schooner]

is this really what the CIA is doing nowadays?

[peak ice]

I mean

[swift tinsel]

Honestly who knows but I could see it