subtlety

[quaint lodge]

so just do whatever is comfy

i was 760 for a while and it was w/e

[tame notch]

Well i am at 684 and feeling good

[peak ice]

trying to change out the alacritiy enchants for the crit ones

[tame notch]

Today got my 100 parse

[peak ice]

but cant find enough haste in other bits of gear

[empty cargo]

What about macroing sec tec to shadow dance?

[quaint lodge]

We do this and it is optimal

[brisk onyx]

It’s good and can indeed significantly reduce the need for haste.

Before using this macro, I needed around 720 haste to ensure I didn't lose any of the 8 8gcd, After using this macro, I only need 680

[quaint lodge]

@short radish i found out that 3 people in raid didnt have the buff for moqd

i love raiding

[short radish]

you know wh at

that happens

(to us also)

[peak ice]

is the shadow/secret macro just "Cast shadow dance, cast secret technique

[dusky yacht]

Is it me misreading logs or are people not eviserating as much as they used to

[peak ice]

might be people trying to weave in more aa procs now?

[dusky yacht]

Looks like it to me

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[quaint lodge]

wdym

[quaint lodge]

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[dusky yacht]

Used to be evis roughly double shadowstrike amounts

[quaint lodge]

we donget infinite refunds anymore sadly

[dusky yacht]

Now it's more like 3/4ths ish

[peak ice]

Personalyl im paying more attention to shadow tec stacks too

[dusky yacht]

[leaden thunder]

!AA

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[oak bear]

i just got company guidon, when is the best possible time to use it

i cant macro it with blades right?

[brisk onyx]

You can, just don’t marco it with “dance”

[oak bear]

i have to pop it like 2 seconds before dance right?

[brisk onyx]

So you can guidon+blade, wait one second, marco dance+sectech

[oak bear]

i got you

tysm

[gleaming plank]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[oak bear]

thats a really awesome thing i didnt know that existed

[fast flax]

Is a 110k a good parse for sub rogue?

It was 97 99 but i feel like that damage is really low

Or is it normal for our spec in this boss?

[oak bear]

what boss

[fast flax]

Chima M

[bleak night]

entirely boss and ilvl dependent

also depends on when you go down

[quaint lodge]

its good

!

[fast flax]

I was 277 ilvl

[quaint lodge]

do u know how to read logs @fast flax

it'll tell u ur parse if u just go look

[fast flax]

My toon name is Twopac area 52 sv

[fast flax]

Not really like i see the number but that’s it

Not use to raiding

[quaint lodge]

u can go on warcraft logs and look urself up

and see what it was

[fast flax]

It was 97/99

[quaint lodge]

yea p good!

[severe estuary]

i hate this new raid opener

[fast flax]

Also I’m playing premed no fking way i get that healing shit

[runic sinew]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[runic sinew]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[frosty bramble]

!logs

[radiant schooner]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[spring viper]

not sure how much i can trust sims, i have a heroic Eternal Voidsong Chain in my vault, currently using Novice combants necklace, depending on the scenario, both can sim better than the other. Any reason I shouldn't grab the voidsong?

[dusky yacht]

Could be worse, could be better

[somber sun]

bro

never seen such a bad vault

3 weeks back to back gotta be intentional

btw, can you roll all at once in the same m+ or gotta do it again ?

[fickle jolt]

gotta do it again

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[spring viper]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[glass copper]

eternal voidsong chain probably pushes your haste well above the ~600 cap for sims (we want 650-700 haste, and this necklace probably pushes you well above that as well) you have to shift other pieces to lower your haste and raise crit/mastery to see value

[waxen viper]

i really wish there was a way to set a stat weight so we could properly sim all our gear. My sims keep telling me to slam crit mastery and have no haste at all, really annoying when i know we need 700 haste as a base

[glass copper]

in the sub faq theres a guide to remove oiils from the sim which results in -32 haste. that pushes the sim to want 632 haste instead of 600 which is a little better

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade

dRAGONS

[tribal blade]

woooo!

[shadow snow]

Hello everyone, is 5 target 1.5 mins better or dungeon slice to consider for aoe/m+?

[lilac stag]

the dps discrepancy

[tribal blade]

yeah sub rogue sucks on 2 target lol

[lilac stag]

Vora

[tribal blade]

hot

[lilac stag]

#nopremedganggang

[somber sun]

is this worth even upgrading ?

[lilac stag]

vs what?

eventually you'll want the mythic

[somber sun]

crafted wrist to pos wrist

alr then

[lilac stag]

you get a free upgrade to 285 and it has more crit

unless you're struggling for haste, that's a win

[somber sun]

ohh its free

mb mb

[lilac stag]

it'll cost 20 to goto 289

eventually you socket them

[shadow snow]

based on ST and DS what should i take?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7979ueqUVfCj8jzPVdAz2c
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/72PsH38xBszWbvMmhDCZxu

[lilac stag]

You likely need to redo a ST sim that drops haste or recraft haste to crit and neck should be best in both

[shadow snow]

yeah probably i can recraft stuf to crit so i dont over cap myself with haste

[lilac stag]

The neck always sims poorly if it launches you over cap by a good amount.

[solid badge]

A question regarding the puzzle box trinket. Do you use it on cd or macro & use it only with shadow dance ?

[coral bear]

Only missing my shoulders for full myth track

saame

With flask my haste goes up to 709

[quaint lodge]

every 3 minutes

w shadowblades

[solid badge]

thx!

[vast dust]

What do we think chat….Mythic Radiant Slicer at 289 over 285 Farstriders in offhand for a -40 mastery loss but more auto attack damage?

Voidcore roll. Dont love the vers on it obviously

[glass copper]

sim it 🙂

[oak sorrel]

okay so i know sims are a little weird with haste breakpoints

im assuming i can trust the sim when it tells me to run both weapon crit enchants?

[vast dust]

Ya, new to sims. Can I make the sim see the Radiant Slocer as 6/6 (289)? I don’t want to spend the 20 mythic crests unless I’m going to equip and use

[quaint lodge]

Yes

[glass copper]

yeah you can, should be a little button

[vast dust]

I’ll
Play with it then. Thanks!

[glass copper]

a little plus under the item name should let you upgrade it. if its not there you probably need to scroll up and max item upgrade currency if it doesn't let you

[shadow snow]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[vast dust]

The answer was no. Better to keep the Farstriders in offhand

Which seems weird but I’ll trust!

[glass copper]

probably but if you end up getting more crit on items it will likely change. i'm poor so i'd just go main stat and forget about it

[hallow mortar]

hm, not sure if worth to take

[oak sorrel]

yeahh im like

trying to skirt around annoying breakpoints, not being able to fully trust sims is very annoying

i screwed around with catalyzing a few things to gain more haste and lose vers so im trying my hardest to sit as close to 700 haste as possible

trying to decide what parts of the sim to listen to lmao

[spare oar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[oak sorrel]

i'll just sit here and pray they decide to fix this stupid gcd bug with coup one day

[empty bobcat]

guidon right?

[dry flame]

Take this piece of advice:

“The two most important days in your life are the day you are born... and the day you find out why.”
~ Mark Twain

-# (neck is pretty nice)

[glass copper]

i'd take an extra bonus roll unless you're full on mythic items

[glass copper]

if you don't have it, yeah

[grave nexus]

Someone direct me to the macros?

[naive tapir]

need help, idk how to sim this neck and what to chose(

[glass copper]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[frail kindle]

woohoo

made it to p4 last pull

[keen dome]

misery.

bonus bonus roll week it is.

[empty bobcat]

whats the best dungeon to roll for if you need a chest?

like which one got decent other pieces for us if rolls suck

[carmine mango]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hollow spear]

These are the vaults I've put the champagne on ice for!

[alpine wraith]

think you can get one in xenas while looking for the ring sety

[ivory leaf]

Is there a 'too much mastery' point? My rogue is for keys so I know mastery is highly valued in multiple target situations, but i wonder if I've put too much into it (1224 right now)

[ornate slate]

how is this lookin

[alpine wraith]

mastery is fine to stack just try and get the haste cap

crit is a bit better now but not crazy in m`+

[empty bobcat]

I like more mastery for M+

[ivory leaf]

i got the 700 haste breakpoint today with vault finally, just wondering if I've gone too unga bunga with the mastery

[empty bobcat]

sounds good thx

[alpine wraith]

oh dont worry my current rogue has more balanced stats but my other one is a mastery sniffer

i kinda wanted to try the 200 haste unga bunga

[ornate slate]

i know mastery better but im almost bis out from M+ and need some mythic raids now so worth more for crit

[ivory leaf]

roger, thank you

[empty bobcat]

think I will be going for spire though since it also drops decent waist, shoulder, chest and trinket

while xenas only has the ring and chest

[alpine wraith]

spire is a minefield tho

has 3 trinkets

but good luck

[empty bobcat]

oh and legs

but yeah maybe ur right

[scenic tree]

im sooo confused right now sims are saying to get 600haste with guidon but discord saying get 700haste wats the go there ?

[empty bobcat]

get 700 for comfy SB window imho

[somber sun]

nah bro this has to be comedy

[dusky yacht]

Is adamantite sharpening stone the thing you can use instead of oils for weap damage?
And is it better to have that mainhand with oils offhand than just going two oils, supposing you have haste breakpoint

[zinc wagon]

Is pushing the light company guidon to 6/6 myth is more benefiting then a normal myth f.e. belt slot?

[alpine wraith]

if you have enough haste yes the sharpening stone is better

otherwise oils

[dusky yacht]

Ty

[alpine wraith]

it gives agi that stat is very good but best you can do is do a topgear with the limited crests you have

[dusky yacht]

Might be getting some more haste now and will be well above 700 haste if I do, in which case I might aswell

[hallow mortar]

M+ rolls are useless, you dont have crest to update those

[pliant canopy]

Is there a rough amount of mastery vs crit in m+ for sub?

i’m already at 700+ haste with gaze and guidon

[dusky yacht]

I mean to say they're useless is a bit exaggerated no

Rather have a 2/6 myth than a 6/6 hero

[alpine wraith]

as more weeks pass m+ rolls will get stronger

but yea rn if you can get 282 loot from raid on vault it is stronger

[glass copper]

https://murlok.io/rogue/subtlety/m+ a good rough amount would be the secondary stats on here

[weary tree]

hm 2nd week in a row I get beloran ring in vault

[lusty acorn]

Finally.

[dusky yacht]

gz bro

[waxen viper]

What a great day it was, got guidon in my vault and then got lucky and won the gaze in raid tonight. Didn’t even have to use my bonus rolls

[alpine wraith]

im a bit krangled because i got chest in vault but i can still get it by bonus rolling in weird dog

so i have to wait until i coin it

and see

[waxen viper]

Immediately after getting gaze we went and smashed the first boss in void and I hit a 96 parse just to show everyone in raid it wasn’t wasted on a rogue

[glass copper]

our 96s dont match their 86s 🙁

buff rogue

[velvet nova]

Is this a cruel joke

[glass copper]

you're overcapping on haste, move items around to increase crit/mastery to accommodate the 200+ haste on the neck

[waxen viper]

True true our dks hit their parse and said look we did the same and I had to remind them that compared to rogues they are an actual good class right now

[glass copper]

your haste is probably going to like 1k and you're losing 200 crit switching those necklaces. doesn't mean necklace is bad, gotta reorganize stats

[tight fjord]

!prebuff

!prekey

!buffs

ffs

[waxen viper]

Now I have to figure out what to use my bonus rolls for this week now that I have my trinkets

[keen dome]

to everybody who got a gaze in their vault today

I'm happy for you! ( )

[weary tree]

just bonus roll 🙂

[waxen viper]

Just win it the ole fashioned way 😏

[weary tree]

I don't have anything to bonus roll now besides mythic tier pieces lol

[alpine wraith]

you can use dance to get 2 superchargers before keys and before bosses yea

[weary tree]

Got both mythic trinkets, good rings and decent neck

[alpine wraith]

just it resets to 2

damn my mans steak is too buttery

and his wife too pretty

[weary tree]

Sorry can't share

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile me with hc guidon and gaze still

[untold elk]

prob has been asked: do you know if we get the roll token from the vaul using the 6 tokens (sorry I ain't playin wow in english and do not know how they are called), this token roll is outside the weekly cap?

meaning I get my two tokens this week plus this extra one?

[glass copper]

yes

check the vendor next to bank vault to see the bonus roll trade in

[untold elk]

thx

[empty bobcat]

2 weeks left xD

[grave cove]

Should I be embellishing my MH over my OH? Does it matter in retail nowadays?

[waxen viper]

It’s gonna be sitting in your vault next Tuesday trust trust

[alpine wraith]

im sorry to say but last week didnt register in the system

so yea

[hallow night]

fuck ya

[alpine wraith]

i also got the oozing vestige

[foggy estuary]

Did the reset bonus rolls reset the loot table as well???i got same belt from chim from bonus roll what is this bullshit protection????

[tulip light]

yes

[foggy estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/reee-pepe-frog-angry-angery-gif-18421495

[tulip light]

its just like "last week didnt happen"

[foggy estuary]

Uninstall

3 characters, 280ilvl all no gaze all bonus rolls. 5 fucking weeks.

[alpine wraith]

they did give the rolls back at least but yea us raid rollers

kinda out of luck

[foggy estuary]

2 weeks locked out of mythic rolls because chasing fucking gaze

Bis trinket for everyone in the game, great game design 10/10

[empty bobcat]

it did on this char because I aint got any bonus rolls refunded

else it would be very sad?

[maiden oar]

i did too its really funny

i am in prison

[vale pine]

Unlucky

[empty bobcat]

I rolled post fix last week and it still reset? no way right?

[vale pine]

Nope, you should get the right chanced if you rolled after

[empty bobcat]

then its 50:50 next week

🙂

[vale pine]

So, unless there is a new bug, shokld be safe

[alpine wraith]

yea if you did it after the fix it should be fine

iirc fix was on thursdayt

[vale pine]

I did hear from one person that he got duplicates in m+, but haven't seen anyone else mention it

[compact violet]

i'm a bit perplex

is raidbot using human haste cap as reference ?

[sudden quarry]

Dumb question: Lura p3 memory game…can we step over to our memory partner when there is another marked dude in between?

[crude cloak]

Hey guys rolling a rogue alt just to have a good time how’s sub feeling in keys?

[sudden quarry]

No around 100 haste less

[south robin]

Is guidon or puzzle box best on-use for m+?

[compact violet]

thats boring to sim meh

[vale pine]

It might show haste a bit too low. Just try to get to 700

[compact violet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3CN4cbigAg73VoVvHwHfDN

he want me to go bruuuuu to 550 XD

[sudden quarry]

Just press your buttons faster and you are fine kekw

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[compact violet]

i guess gonna take the ring and gem haste everywhere to get back

fking dagger wont show

already 6 vorasius (ye we splitted once) + 1 beloren mm kill and 0 dagger
im gonna beat my personnal best from nerubar and 15 bloodbound horror kill without any dagger

ill take the bet

[keen steppe]

We use our bonusroll on pit bcs of pants and dagger?

[maiden oar]

depends on ur circumstances but pit neck/ring/pants/dagger/wrist/waist/kinda cloak all good

cant really hit anything bad unless ur gearing for aoe only

then u want more mastery

[sharp sapphire]

and the neck is also nice, but really depend what you already got. I am rolling on NPX. Has a dagger, two rings, boots and gloves for the catalyst

[maiden oar]

im rolling for gaze of the alnseer though

[sharp sapphire]

and chest for the catalyst also

[vale osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uUV7A4B21cLRVzzLwVwCF1

Xenas or Pit to send my bonus rolls this week, hmm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vDhijS6chY172WY53Ccifb

Actually - need to check if we're doing reclear in Void or just going back to Belo prog, if we're reclearing then Dragons has zero misses for my coins.

Enjoying the decisions around this dinar system ngl

[pine oyster]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hoary orchid]

Hey guys what trinket yall paring your Gaze for M Plus? I Didnt want a 2 min trinket so i am avoiding puzzle, trying to decide where to extra roll

[drifting ether]

Just using guidon it simmed similar to puzzle for me

[hoary orchid]

for real? it sims terrible for me

[sharp sapphire]

Latch Crooked Hook from windspire is decent for M+

[waxen viper]

Yeah guidon is the default choice for both raid and m+ now since the newest patch and crit being better then mastery for raid it is just recommended to keep guidon and gaze as trinkets and then just swap to more mastery heavy gear for m+

[hoary orchid]

Oh had no clue, i have a Myth guidon, ty

[waxen viper]

It also plays way better in keys instead of using something like puzzle box which was better beforehand. Being able to have cds for almost every pack and having some huge burst for big pulls just feels insanely good to play around now.

[hoary orchid]

Great to hear! thank you very much

[crude cloak]

hey guys how do u track how long your in shadow dance for i cant seem to actually get something that tells me how long i have left

[drifting ether]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rKxfNNjG7Z94PuFrr9wYYN

[delicate charm]

I use the base blizzard ui buff tracker for shadow dance 🙂

[hoary orchid]

i must be simming something wrong here

[crude cloak]

i cant get it to show up in there

that or blades

[drifting ether]

If you use the cd manager it'll show it up when its use or cd

[delicate charm]

Open up edit mode and make sure you have the tracker in the right spot

[crude cloak]

i have all of this activated its still not working

[nimble mesa]

if i get bad loot in my vault and choose the tokens and use them to buy a nebulous voidcore, does that mean i have 3 voidcores this week or does it count into the 2/week limit?

[hoary orchid]

doesnt count to the cap

[nimble mesa]

oh awesome, ty! 🙂

[cinder zenith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4TfsSqsQeyVPWYaGah5wqm Why does the SIM tell me to equip the Critical flask? Otherwise, I won't reach the 700 Haste I need if I don't use the Haste flask.

[sacred jewel]

arent u going way past 700 with haste flask

[maiden gale]

and it's telling me to use mastery flask, and i'm only 590 Haste .-.

[cinder zenith]

ye like 756

[hoary orchid]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iVGcBUGxDaJFg5vJ9Fmvkr

[sacred jewel]

#subtlety-faq message
sims will always “only” aim for 600-650

[cinder zenith]

but in real life is primordial to reach 700 rigth?

[sacred jewel]

the extra 50-100 to 650-700 is just a buffer for us humans

to get like an additional of 0.4s(?) leeway to press gcds

to account for human error and lag

[maiden gale]

I don't know who said it before, but it's easier to hover over Shadow Dance and see how long it lasts, 7.5 seconds is ideal

that changes with haste

i'm 590 haste now and it lasts 7.2 seconds, I can't press another GCD

[drifting ether]

Ah ye true i'll try it out must of increased since i dropped my mastery
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tDwn4u8fhEXMtM8UtU1NsM

[sacred jewel]

Only now i’ve actually started to understand how the apex optimization works lol… it’s actually quite simple but it took me a different kind of formatting style to understand

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[maiden gale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[summer edge]

real? I have a myth one in my bank

[sharp sapphire]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/subtlety/trinkets/castingpatchwerk5

[void ocean]

why would top gear recommend me to drop to 640 haste as the best dps, atm im having ~720

640 is not enough with guidon innit?

[sacred jewel]

read the faq

#subtlety-faq

[fossil forge]

no raid vault this week but law is eating good

[void ocean]

goddamn i tho i've read everything

cool, removed oils, dropped to 608 and sim still recommends it... gotta do sims on paper now 😄

[trail epoch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[hollow spear]

Recraft a piece to not have haste in top gear maybe

Idk, it's just ass

[void ocean]

yea well at some point gotta ask myself what am i simming then 😄

[sacred jewel]

If it’s between 1-2 pieces you can probably figure it out while staying around 700 haste

it wants a piece with more crit? try to get more crit while staying 700

through other means

[void ocean]

im wondering if its possible to make robot more "human" so that it starts expectin our haste values

[sacred jewel]

were there other haste options among the gear?

with useable secondary stats

use sims as a guidance, don’t need to 100% copy it

[void ocean]

i wanted to check what cloak to craft next crit haste or crit mast and offered crit mast ring as a replacement

atm im having haste vers cloak with vers dominant

[sacred jewel]

on clockwork?

well vers haste doesnt sound good in comparison

[void ocean]

i know

but it was myth so i took it cause of agi as well

got it from the vault a few weeks ago when i had champ cloak

[sacred jewel]

whats ur current stat distribution

[void ocean]

i have 688 haste without oil

[sacred jewel]

crit mastery?

[void ocean]

720 crit, 646 mastery

so i do have some haste to give but wanted to check which would be the best direction

tho im probably just gonna craft crit haste cloak

maybe switvh a gem or smth

[sacred jewel]

i mean in that case just through pure vibes id drop the cloak and get a crit mastery one, oils should put u towards the 670-700 range. But are you sure there isn’t a better slot to craft

is your myth cloak 1/6?

[void ocean]

yes

belt would be other option

belt is hero and its crit mast

[sacred jewel]

where is your embellishment, on wrists?

[void ocean]

yea, wrist and weapon

no wait, boots

boots and weapon

[opal basalt]

@limpid sage this u?

i was the aug on #3

crazy dps

[sacred jewel]

what fight is that

[opal basalt]

paladins heroic

[limpid sage]

dis me

[opal basalt]

gamer recognise gamer

sick log

[limpid sage]

😎

[sacred jewel]

rogues could never

[limpid sage]

ye enha is fotm

[opal basalt]

crazy how this is a 98 for assa but same dmg is a 89 for aug

[limpid sage]

I had a pic of my first kill on crown

where I got an 89 parse

and I was below our demo on 16

[opal basalt]

[empty bobcat]

playing Q sim for half an hour aint fun 🙁

[limpid sage]

wait for rogue tank spec

[sacred jewel]

on paladin hc

[void ocean]

it will do healer dps 😄

[limpid sage]

nothing new then

[limpid sage]

that basically looks like enha on paladins

(not good)

[empty bobcat]

paladins is probably the worst encounter for us no?

[sacred jewel]

yea 2-3 target cleave sucks for sub

[sweet moss]

how is nexus rings not bis for us now

after changes

[alpine wraith]

they are fine just remember bis is the highest simming combination with other items

[sweet moss]

yeah ofc, i jjust mean for using bonsu rolls ect

[empty bobcat]

applied to only 10+ and the first +9 I applied I got instant invite lmao

[tepid trellis]

tldr they are, but its pretty much neutral with another combo

[keen dome]

I hate the loot system in the video game world of warcaft it is very annoying and bad and I am also very annoying and bad.

[random mason]

that's not too bad

[tribal blade]

next week

[waxen viper]

man i really dont know where to use my bonus rolls at this point, everything is less then a 1% upgrade from both raid and m+ do i just send them on pit to try and get the better upgrades and just hope my vaults dont do me dirty

[vale pine]

bad vault?

[keen dome]

yes

[sacred jewel]

does raidbots show the stat distribution somewhere

[vale pine]

you can open the profiel in a quick sin

*profile

[sacred jewel]

does top gear have it?

i wanna know how much haste the new suggested build has

[keen dome]

Vault was terrible, worst trinket from chim. Also rekilling him was a nightmare today

[random mason]

700

unless you're a robot only playing 5min increments on a target dummy

[sacred jewel]

i know its 700, but i cant really tell how much haste this report has

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pUsQkSNKasQg6fS9jsmoNQ

this ring has been suggested to me by sim twice in a row

but idk how much my haste is dropping

[vale osprey]

Well what's your current? Surely it's not that hard to work out the number of haste it's moving around

[vale pine]

[vale pine]

no, topgear uses profilesets

[sacred jewel]

I will prob have to do that by hand then

[shadow urchin]

Pick the set you wanna see, run quick sim of it and open report of that.

[keen dome]

Seen the weirdest tihng today. A 7/9M guy with 4 Chim kills forming a rekill group. Only inviting people with kils, etc. All normal. When it fills, he gives lead to someone with no kill and no experience and leaves. Then.. it's clear this was planned by the way the guy behaves. But he has no idea how to do the fight. So we do one pull, instantly wipe and the group collapses

[sacred jewel]

it's always the low ilvl (get carried) leader that is gatekeeping the most 😅

[vale pine]

^ as weak mentioned, you need to took at the specific combination you want to sim and then sim it in quick sim to get an report with stats

[sacred jewel]

will do that, ty

but quick sim can't add vault items/items i don't own right/haven't upgraded right

will have to do the math by hand then

[sacred jewel]

perfect

[empty bobcat]

we delay SB for guidon right?

[hollow spear]

Wdym

[empty bobcat]

I just ran a key where SB came off CD before the trinket, it should not happen? I have them macroed

[hazy breach]

Yes, the affix gives cooldown reduction on spells only

[empty bobcat]

aaaah so thats why

I was confused a bit

[limpid sage]

I swear this has 3x the drop chance of gaze

[keen dome]

right??

[hollow spear]

If only it wasn't as shit as it is

[keen dome]

Weird snotty dog is evil

[limpid sage]

we've had it drop ~12 times in our raids and only had 3 gaze drops

[hollow spear]

On mythic, this trinket should be better than a heroic gaze

[keen dome]

I should sim the snot trinket

[hollow spear]

Don't

You're already depressed

[keen dome]

I'll do that whenever Ifinally kill Imperator because OH MY GOD pugs are bad today

[keen dome]

but it could be funny

[hollow spear]

Talking about depressed, my vault is quintessential depression

2 cloaks, wrists, a belt and gloves

In short: a socket

[keen dome]

not a bonus roll?

[drifting ether]

16 seat damn the puzzle box made a big diff

[hollow spear]

I guess I could math that out

[vestal escarp]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[fiery fog]

both my rogues get the bad trinket from chimaerus in vault

[waxen viper]

pbox over using a guidon?!

[keen dome]

high5 snot trinket haver

[alpine wraith]

if you do big pulls puzzlebox is fine

[drifting ether]

Yessir wanted to try it out

[alpine wraith]

i also got 1 of those last week

if i get it this week again

[empty bobcat]

so far feeling for Guidon over Box is good but dps wise box was better

[alpine wraith]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[empty bobcat]

on bosses guidon is better

[drifting ether]

Can kinda use it like guidon instead of 8s it was 6s or so for 2nd shadow dance in shadowblade

[empty bobcat]

at least thats what I experienced

[fiery fog]

guess what im getting from pit now
surely its the ring and neck right

[drifting ether]

I was looking at chinese logs that npx ring set kinda goes hard

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[craggy fractal]

Heyo, just to be sure, we need 700 haste before flasks/oils/buffs or after everything is applied ?

[empty bobcat]

after

[fossil forge]

[keen dome]

hel yeah

[empty cargo]

the new rotation with building up cp with vanish just feels clunky

[fossil forge]

outlaw weapon now wallahi

[dusky yacht]

gz bro

[raw frost]

Ye thats why i use premeditation and dont care abiut thr 0.5 dps loss

[empty cargo]

so it's not just me? good lol

[lilac stag]

It’s just you

It’s all of 6 seconds. Strike, vanish strike, bs and go boom.

[sterile topaz]

Can someone explain to me how this trinket is simming higher ? for me

I tought the feather was better

[lilac stag]

Feather is trash

[shadow lance]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[sterile topaz]

so bloodmallet is shit for checking trinkets?

my dumbass as been following that xD

[vagrant sinew]

Double on use is not good

[lilac stag]

You get 2 Sectechs in every other blades window and you’re trying to use 2x on use.

[sterile topaz]

So its bad cause double on use?

[lilac stag]

To use box you need 800 haste. Feather is doing noting for you.

[sterile topaz]

cause ive also got the radiant plume but its hero and not myth

[vagrant sinew]

its bad on its own and even worse when paired with another on use

[lilac stag]

Plum is very good. Can do crit for ST and mastery for keys.

[sterile topaz]

is it better to get over the heart of wind myth?

[ripe acorn]

eyy this dropped no tokens

[vale pine]

nice

[lilac stag]

We are quite simple to gear for. 700 haste + guidon. 800 haste + box. 2nd trinket Gaze, Plume or the Renown Void trinket.

[reef walrus]

in your case I might consider taking another voidcore instead

not saying that's necessarily the best option, but I think it's a strong contender

[lilac stag]

Plume is worth taking. Especially if you ever play outlaw

if your not spending rerolls on gaze

[sterile topaz]

not a fan of outlaw id play assa if i were to play smth other than sub

[lilac stag]

and it’s good on assa

Dungeon trinkets are basically all ass

congrats on getting the 2nd best non-onuse trinket for content you’re clearing

[sterile topaz]

i think im to low on haste i havent really been looking at my stats apart from itmlvl

[lilac stag]

So yes. You need ilvl. Make a choice between vault or another reroll to get more gear other places. equip crucible trinket

[sterile topaz]

Im gonna sound extremely dumb but what do you mean by get another reroll for other places, the vault doesnt give me rerolls does it? and the crucible trinket is only champ is it still that good?. i apologise for my stupidity ive been working a lot and havent really done much of the 12.0.5 stuff

[lilac stag]

if you take the currency

You can buy a reroll from the vault vendor

[sharp bolt]

the currency vendory sells the reroll tokens

[vagrant sinew]

crucible trinket is like 3rd best after gaze and plume

for your 2nd slot

[sterile topaz]

i dont think i have the rerolls did i need to acquire them first?

[alpine wraith]

maybe we need to popularize more the secret fuu opener

[lilac stag]

you have to unlock the quest

[sterile topaz]

Ah okay sorry for the stupidity

[lilac stag]

what stupidity?

[sterile topaz]

just to ask what would you say is the best choice you probably know more than me so id rather listean to your suggestion

[lilac stag]

Questions aren’t stupid

[vagrant sinew]

Its 2 mythic items a week you should unlock that as highest prio

[fossil forge]

back2back bismillah

[alpine wraith]

aaay

[sharp bolt]

no outlaw blasphemy in here please

[vale pine]

my m+ vault options are all good

[sterile topaz]

yeah but i feel a bit stupid not knowing things

[lilac stag]

There’s a purple quest for empowering the engine or some shit in the void. You have to power that up 6 times to unlock it. Then you get rerolls

[vale pine]

which one to take

tier set upgrade to mythic or weapon

[lilac stag]

Well tell your brain to stfu.

[reef walrus]

you can't say that and not post a vault screenshot

that's illegal

[sterile topaz]

so you think reroll is better than getting smth from the vault atm ?

[vale pine]

moment

[lilac stag]

For your gear. I would get the good renown trinket (crucible) and just focus on a dungeon that gives you loot you need (like nexus point).

[dreamy wedge]

Happy Vault day everyone.
After the gear upgrades of today, my robot overlord tells me to use both puzzle-box and Rangers insignia - how do I know which is of higher priority when both are off CD? I'd assume I still open with puzzle box first cuz otherwise the whole opener is scuffed, but just during the key I could lose a lot of CD reduction on insignia...

[lilac stag]

Run lfr, normal and heroic for the guidon trinket.

[sterile topaz]

so i should do this basically!

[sterile topaz]

ran them all last week and no luck :d

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif?ex=69f2dd26&is=69f18ba6&hm=82196ee5943a6a33eda324d4bc2bf3b83662dce48e6c6f97dac5040a16730f54&

but yes

[vagrant sinew]

plume probably on par with extra roll just depends how fast youll start to do mythic chimmy

[sterile topaz]

tbf i do hate the stupid box such a pain to use in dungeons

[lilac stag]

going to mythic gear vs champion is going to be a bigger jump

they’re basically in fresh 90 gear (no shade)

[sterile topaz]

No its my second character so its fair enough

[vale pine]

will need to post later, as my launcher update loops, and i need to go afk for at least an hour

(battlenet is a lovely piece of software)

[sterile topaz]

i main resto druid cause of guild so im 281 on there this im using cause my guild asked me to play a dps cause someone else wants to heal

i got rotation downish im just bit silly with gear

[lilac stag]

try to get the heroic achievement done if you have not yet so you get the crest discount.

[dreamy wedge]

You main resto cuz of guild, you play alt cuz of guild?

[sterile topaz]

Yeah im in a guild with friends

[sterile topaz]

we have cleared all the heroics :3 i joined on rogue last week so ive got them all now on here aswell

[lilac stag]

Ignore it. We don’t have friends here.

[foggy estuary]

Sim is absolutely bonkers broken on me. I couldnt understand why i was underperforming, rotation, prio everything was ok. Then i just adjusted haste and said fuck the sim, i equiped new gearset i felt ok with stats and boom. Back to parsing 100k st 🥷

[sterile topaz]

remove friends understood

[lilac stag]

No I mean upgrading all gear between your account to 6/6 heroic. It yields you a crest cost reduction which is useful on rerolls and alts.

[alpine wraith]

makes gearing an alt quite easier

[lilac stag]

wtf is the achievement called

[alpine wraith]

hero of the dawn

[sterile topaz]

i think im nearly there surely on my main

[alpine wraith]

it was more important past weeks because HC crests were not enough

think they are enough now to go from full 266 to 276 (keeping in mind some myth crest crafts)

but if you come from lower the achiev helps even more

[lilac stag]

Whatever slot you’re missing on druid, fill it out on rogue

or finish it on druid who doesn’t need heroic crest

[vagrant sinew]

yeah still annoying to farm them on an alt, ig if its a rogue you can farm that stealth variation delve in za

[sterile topaz]

Also for the crucible trinket tf does engage the protocol mean

do i need to do smth for it to give me better stuff?

[alpine wraith]

you need to enable the console things

you can do 2 a week

[gray pond]

Bit confused as to why solarflare prism and drums of renewed hope (haste) is outsimming puzzle box and guidon on dungeon slice when i sim, all trinkets HC as well, presume its as we value crit more now but im not even at the haste breakpoint yet with gear i believe

Is dungeon slice not accurate?

[alpine wraith]

so only 2 weeks needed

[reef walrus]

sim is working as intended

the sim will always want to put you at less haste than you'd actually want

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) percent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[dreamy wedge]

Sorry for asking again, I think last time got drowned - How do I know if puzzle box or rangers insignia is higher prioirty when both are off CD? Yes, I use both because my bot told me to.

[reef walrus]

puzzle box during cooldowns, so puzzle box first on pull

if cooldowns are not up within 20 sec and both are up, insignia first

[dreamy wedge]

Thanks, that makes sense. You know this by some previous caclulations or just simple logic?

[hazy breach]

When you press an on-use trinket you put other on-use trinkets on a 20s cooldown

[dreamy wedge]

Yes yes, that's why I asked in the first place.

[reef walrus]

puzzle box doesn't really do anything for you if you don't have cooldowns, and insignia doesn't really benefit from your cooldowns

[dreamy wedge]

Aye it's just, 20 seconds might hurt insignia a lot.

[reef walrus]

in an ideal world I'd probably try to get a plume or gaze to replace the insignia

and then not have to deal with it

[dreamy wedge]

I am RNGing my best

[reef walrus]

but in this case, I'd argue it's most important that you always line up puzzle box with cd's

[hazy breach]

Isnt the crucible better than insignia even

[dreamy wedge]

No. I had drums, but now sim tells me insignia is better.

[green torrent]

for weapon enchants, mh acuity, oh arcane?

wowhead has double acuity

[foggy estuary]

Actually died laughing😂

[median nacelle]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[hazy breach]

Doesnt matter, either is fine

Can do 1 crit+agi too if you want

[fiery fog]

3 ppl in my group use hteir bonus roll in pit
one guy gets the neck
the other the ring
and i obviously get the wrists

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-peace-sign-peace-ice-age-eddie-gif-16750982996130936929

[lilac stag]

congrats on socket waiting room.

[fiery fog]

3 items left in pit and it wont be either ring or neck
i just know it

[lilac stag]

Not with that attitude

[dreamy wedge]

I got ommision and occlusion with my two bonus rolls today ^^

[fiery fog]

i was enthusiastic for the first 3 rolls

now im just accepting that i will need to get all the items from pit before getting what i need

[lilac stag]

The real question, can you even upgrade them or are other upgrades still better?

[fiery fog]

they are a dps loss because i have them on hero with a socket

without a socket they are useless

[lilac stag]

I mean the items you didn’t get. I ended up sending crests on boots and shoulders (I got pit neck with 3rd roll, 1 st this week). It’s sitting at 276.

[fiery fog]

yeah
ring and neck would be really good

[lilac stag]

If I can get rings from nexus next week, those will get crests

Also holding out hope for voidsong

[fiery fog]

the only items i have really left are myth chim belt/tset hands/vora wrists (maybe)/ and mythic gaze (have hero already)

[dreamy wedge]

Why don't you craft belt?

[lilac stag]

I got dagger (lulz) and outlaw boots in nexus this week.

[fiery fog]

because haste breakpoints are ass

[dreamy wedge]

Make it with/out haste?

[fiery fog]

i dont get enough haste with crafting belt

so its useless

and i dont have myth legs anyway

[dreamy wedge]

I use haste flask 🤷‍♂️

[fiery fog]

bro

[lilac stag]

I just got legs last night from raid. I forgot they were 279 drop.

[fiery fog]

i cant use haste flask either

[lilac stag]

Getting the advice you didn’t ask for.

[fiery fog]

then id be at 760 haste or something

[dreamy wedge]

Right, my bad

[fiery fog]

its not even good advice for my situation

[lilac stag]

it’s all good. Just laughing.

Have you tried adding engineering for pure haste crafts?

[hollow plinth]

are you supposed to get 7 or 8 gcds in dance with coup?

[hazy breach]

8 yeah, thats why we want to get dance to ~7.4 instead of like ~7.2

[drifting ether]

As good as i could get my gear for tomorrows trial, started at 105.5k st 🤣
Hopefully skip paladins and straight to crown prog
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5pa51xGee9VwsGMdg5BYke

[lucid patio]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[fiery fog]

wrists would be the only option for that really and i dont really want to send 80 crests on a wrist craft rn

[hollow plinth]

800 haste without guidon is supposed to get 8 gcds in dance with coup yeah?

[hazy breach]

ye

[dreamy wedge]

Yay you read my message on raidbots 😄

[tribal blade]

i actually completley forgot about engineering crafts

that's an easy way to leverage more stats

[alpine wraith]

im using haste wrists

rn

to patch up haste

[tribal blade]

sick

[alpine wraith]

think they are around 90 something haste

[tribal blade]

i'll keep that in the back of my mind

[alpine wraith]

boots are 121 i think

those are mastery for nw

[tribal blade]

right now i have enough myth track pieces where i'm gonna be sending on those items for a few weeks

but after that could be a good move

[alpine wraith]

yea it is funny for now

[tribal blade]

has gearing always been this slow with myth crests?

it feels like i've been upgrading gear forever

maybe because i've barely gotten any raid pieces

[brave moth]

^

It should be the same as always

You just have to get lucky with myth track items

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

[brave moth]

But I have no clue why they changed it

Now you have to get more crests for the same upgrade

[drifting ether]

I think we’re getting more myth pieces than before used to be a upgrade a week of your lucky

[bleak wind]

you used to get 6 upgrades of 15 crest upgrades and now its 5 upgrades of 20 crests so you get less now

[tribal blade]

ahhh gotcha

yeah makes sense

[vagrant sinew]

raid vault crest saves arent as strong as manaforge unless youve had crown dead for a few weeks already

since 276 myth doesnt save any

[tribal blade]

not sure i'm a fan of this new system

taking this long to upgrade everything feels bad

[hazy breach]

I think they either need to nerf the bonus rolls (ie the amount of them you get), introduce them later on in the season and/or uncap crests when they introduce them

[lilac stag]

Yeah I’m debating if it’s worth crafting helm or wrists. I haven’t spent my engineering points yet.

[spice thistle]

why sim in ST says its 1% better to swap rings for less than 700 haste? o.O

[dreamy wedge]

What set item would you use over helm?

[tribal blade]

since engineering is borderline useless i've just been sending points kinda randomly haha

[alpine wraith]

engineering makes quite a bit of money tho

[lilac stag]

I don’t mind having a way to farm gear that’s 6/6 heroic to upgrade over time. Not everything needs to be an instant send to 6/6 mythic.

[bleak wind]

they made the changes so that you don't stay on 4/6 hc upgrades to not waste mythic crests, but staying there until a 2/6 myth piece also saves the hc crests for that slot so the thing they tried to fix was not fixed

[tribal blade]

sim will prefer lower haste because it can do gcds perfectly

you are human so 700 haste is better

[spice thistle]

ah oke

[lilac stag]

turbo if they intro it needs a lower crest cost.

[tribal blade]

i feel like it would be too much if we got turboboost on top of everything else

BUT it would pump up engagement

so i can see them doing it lol

[lilac stag]

I’m enjoying knowing I will eventually get what I want.

[alpine wraith]

think they might slam turboboos when the 1 boss raid opens

[lilac stag]

and 1 roll a week if you were not blessed with raid trinkets via clears and vault is nothing.

[alpine wraith]

so they can tune its powerlvl higher

at least we dont need anything from triumvirate

unlike some plates

kekw

[lilac stag]

Gaze and guidon are both what 4 possible weeks each?

[tribal blade]

i used 3 bonus rolls to get the ring set from nexus point

that's my good luck for the season

[alpine wraith]

im saving rolls until i kill chima again

and get that shit trinket again

then i can send on xenas

[tribal blade]

it was kinda crazy, the group i ran nexus with everyone bonus rolled

and every single person got a ring from the roll

i shoulda screenshot it

was kinda crazy

[lilac stag]

nice

We had 3 void rings drop last week. 2 natty and 1 bonus

[tribal blade]

niiice

ok when is the next PTR dropping so i can write up a "rogue needs to bring a real raid buff" post on it

[lilac stag]

I realized my ring craft was good. Will save crests on the set and I can drop the mastery ring for crafted for gunslinger

[tribal blade]

hot

[lilac stag]

boss dmg felt good yesterday. Between less lag and getting used to no premed.

clones fuckin truck

[foggy estuary]

Is anyone max champ gayz simming higher than max hero prism? Do i trust or dad rog bad dam again?😶‍🌫️

[reef walrus]

gaze is just a really strong trinket, so it wouldn't be weird that it sims higher

[somber sun]

How many evisc can you fit in a un-buffed ( base 700 haste) shadow dance usually ?

I can only do 3-4 at best

[tribal blade]

wouldn't worry how many finishers, worry about how many globals

[sacred jewel]

base 700 should fit in 7 gcds, 3-4 sounds about right

[hazy breach]

No, thats 8 gcd

[sacred jewel]

without guidon?

[hazy breach]

Yes

Guidon is 9

[sacred jewel]

i might have misunderstood this one then, because 800 is equal to 700+ guidon, no?

[tall bloom]

is 736 mastery low with 705 haste and 1060 crit ?

[fiery fog]

ayy ive gotten the ring from my 4th bonus roll in pit
just gotta be pessimistic and it works

[hollow plinth]

I know nothing about sub, my questions are not indicative of anything

[sacred jewel]

I mean eleem answered yes to that question, which made me assume 700+guidon is 8gcds 😅

[alpine wraith]

gcds get a bit whack with how coup works

but you should get 8 usually with the recommended 7.4 dance

guidon adds like from 1.2 to 1.3

maybe 1.4 to taht

[hazy breach]

Yes the +100 haste for no guidon is not related to dance gcds, it's for sectech cdr

[alpine wraith]

is at least 1 gcd extra

wonder if popping potion of reck for crit then using puzzle is bigger than just getting the mastery on reck pot

[hazy breach]

Generally better to use AGI pot with puzzle

[alpine wraith]

oh so we can also gamble with the spicy one then

for even bigger pad

[hazy breach]

If you want to for sure. But I'm talking about the regular lights potential

[alpine wraith]

yea ik

im only doing weekly keys anyway so pulls dont even last enough for pot

[hollow plinth]

@hazy breach i brought it up before but why not post a custom apl that will inflate someone's desired sim haste? again, just inserting this line will do it

actions+=/wait,if=buff.shadow_dance.up,sec=0.05,line_cd=1

the line is not realistic but i believe it should accomplish the goal of inflating the sim haste by +80-100 or so

[tall bloom]

is 736 mastery low with 705 haste and 1060 crit ? and should i run mastery flask or more crit?

[tribal blade]

sounds normal

[hollow plinth]

Just seems like sim haste is a constant discourse

[tribal blade]

just run 2 sims, 1 with each flask and see what wins

[alpine wraith]

well it is because droptimizer is a bit krangled with it

but top gear works fine

if you do the combinations

[hazy breach]

Problem is that adding that delay doesn't fix it. In fact it can sometimes make it worse

As then it doesn't see it being worth going for the extra 0.2 gcd for coup and just goes for like 580 haste instead

With some setups

So you end up with feelcraft anyway

And idk what to do about it

[hollow plinth]

i see

[fiery fog]

with the breakpoint all we really need to do is get to said breakpoint and stuff everything else into crit/mastery

[empty bobcat]

anybody playing warnings signs with box?

[dreamy wedge]

I do because the bot said so.

[empty bobcat]

I mean it makes sense if you dont have guidon right?

I might try in keys

[dreamy wedge]

I don't think it have to do with guidon.

[tribal blade]

one of the best sub rogues in keys right now is running warning signs and guidon

so it's doable

[hazy breach]

I think part of the issue is the hunt embellishment, as the iterations where it procs haste pulls the average haste down, and you dont always get coups in your dances (most of the time you do, but not always) so you dont always need the extra 0.2s either

[hollow plinth]

I wonder if the same thing happens if you universally adjust world_lag or its randomness, and if so then if people cant comfortably play with x haste, then the data really does suggest you should cut haste instead of chasing a bit more

[sacred jewel]

without any knowledge of the apl, would it be possible to artificially shorten the SD duration by 0.2s to make the sim compensate it with more haste?

[hollow plinth]

i believe that would do the same thing essentially

sim would decide fuck it, you dont need haste

[dreamy wedge]

But then, why doesn't that means we should also say fuck it, we don't need haste?

[sacred jewel]

if the shortened sd causes the sim to lose one gcd, it’d sim less overall i assume

[hollow plinth]

That's my point

it's interesting

[dreamy wedge]

Ye but you don't only lose a gcd, you gain crit/mastery.

[tribal blade]

people are doing that for keys

for raid that's mostly pure ST that's pretty bad i think though

[sacred jewel]

If you were to complety cut more haste, yeah but if you were on the brink of gaining one extra gcd it’s not so obvious, is it

[hazy breach]

The context here is like -100 haste, not going almost no haste

[tribal blade]

ah ok

yeah seeing some of the crazy low haste levels chinese subs are going haha

it's spreading too

more people are doing it now

but yeah i see

[hazy breach]

But yes i have thought about it, but not sure how to go about adressing the haste thing with sims because its just so...fickle

[dreamy wedge]

@tribal blade Maybe I am just bad but in keys I can lose a 1/3'd of a global becuase I suddenly don't face the mob or whatever, so it makes more sense to me

[soft summit]

Sorry this has been asked a million times. How much haste do I need completely unbuffed except with oils if I have the guidon? 600 or 700?

[tribal blade]

yeah human error, happens all the time

sometimes out of your control

[sacred jewel]

buffed 700 with guidon

[hollow plinth]

i feel you, very fun mechanic

[fiery fog]

why is the 1.2s global on coup even a thing

[soft summit]

Ty

[hollow plinth]

be outlaw and it's 1.0 sometimes

[lilac stag]

Would it need possible in some manner to blacklist that part of the hunt? I’m assuming no.

[hollow plinth]

It is possible to make hasty hunt not proc

It is based on the enemy mob time after all

Type even

[hazy breach]

And even if the delay thing did work perfectly, its very probable that it would cause other issues down the line

[lilac stag]

How to turn robot into dad with 3 kids?

[vale pine]

the haste integration is just not well thought out

[lilac stag]

Clearly they rushed it out so they could focus on the full rogue rework we are getting in 12.1

[sacred jewel]

[fiery fog]

you mean so they could focus on more buffs for devourer

[lilac stag]

Nah. Those just happen automatically with vibe code on top of vibe code.

[soft summit]

Running warning signs? Is this an addon we need?

[lilac stag]

Rogue got the 9 seconds and delete everything code

[hazy breach]

Warning signs is a talent

[foggy estuary]

Confirmed better 😂

[tribal blade]

the talent we've been running over PE

[hazy breach]

I mean warning signs is completely fine, better in some scenarios

[pulsar hemlock]

Claude, buff devourer by another 6%

[fiery fog]

rogue gets the "hey chatgpt, create a code that applies changes to our rogue class in wow" and they take the first thing they get

[tribal blade]

yeah i've been running it too, feels better to me

also in low target cleave feels way better

[lilac stag]

WS seems to like mastery

[tribal blade]

it does yeah

[hazy breach]

You get more finishers with it, so yeah

[lilac stag]

So not surprising in keys

[tribal blade]

makes dances feel cracked

and then you'll end dances with a lot of sht stacked up which helps a bit during the down time

[gilded ferry]

it cant be just stats, im simming 20k more as law than sub, remarkable that we reached this

[sacred jewel]

and wear off ur dagger faster

[tribal blade]

it's because cloud cover is insane for outlaw

like ~60% uptime or some shit

[lilac stag]

I’m 121.2 as law with a 285 vs 109.7 as sub.

Enjoy your rng

[gilded ferry]

im similar

[graceful portal]

Just catching up on the vonversation about haste and some chinese player running a low amount of it. Is it a real thing or just work in progress ?

[tribal blade]

they've been doing that the entire season

[lilac stag]

They are pulling around it on very coordinated routes

[hazy breach]

That has nothing to do with this discussion

[sacred jewel]

You will def not benefit from this when your pug tanks chain pulls 2 packs

[tribal blade]

i would not advise running low haste in keys unless you're doing very high keys with optimized routes

[gilded ferry]

but the asian players are always doing something different

[tribal blade]

lol yes

like running vigor/tea when everyone else is playing CB

that was a classic one

[lilac stag]

Yeah like taking a rogue to high keys.

[gilded ferry]

i remember that back in shadowlands, while everyone was running the 100% crit legendary, the chinese players were running shadowdust for higher keys

no one could figure out why

[tribal blade]

there's something about how there'll be 1 top dog chinese player who cooks up some weird thing

and then everyone copies him

that is a very chinese mindset

(i am half chinese)

[lilac stag]

Then everyone starts an argument in here because archon says

[sacred jewel]

For the 2nd +21 seat clear apparently the chinese were completing it while boosting 1 person

[tribal blade]

lol that's nutty

[gilded ferry]

for a 21 seat the boostee had to help as well

[tribal blade]

oh absolutely

[gilded ferry]

no way you complete a 21 with -1 dps

[tribal blade]

i've done title key sales before

[sacred jewel]

yea ofc he was playing

[tribal blade]

they're not easy to do

with resil a lot easier though

[dreamy wedge]

@hazy breach was the suggestion to disable hunt haste proc not help with the issue you described?

[tribal blade]

but yeah the buyer has to be able to play the game at least not horribly

[sacred jewel]

but it was apparent he didn't belong in that tier (according to the youtuber)

[hazy breach]

No

[tribal blade]

or dev dh just makes everyone else look stupid

but wouldn't be surprised if they boosted

[sacred jewel]

coincidentally it was a dev dh

[tribal blade]

LOL

oh ok

nvm

[sacred jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkaHvypaL4

[tribal blade]

yeah dev getting beat by a udk

is not realistic

[sacred jewel]

he misplayed personals and the dmg diff was also there

and petko confirmed w one of the runners that the DH was boosted

so yeah, insane lol

[tribal blade]

yeah

i've heard stories about how they do those sales for tanks and healers

actually for healers it's not as hard

for tanks it's different

[median nacelle]

any1 know if the neck embellishments are just dogshit?

or does it not matter much?

kinda wanna use my myth daggers

[tribal blade]

they'll have their usual tank in disc with the boostee telling them exactly where to go and what to press

[sacred jewel]

For seat i doubt it's easily possible to boost a healer, that dungeon is rough to heal

[tribal blade]

you can boost a healer, they just need to not be dogshit

[dreamy wedge]

It's easier when your dps don't fuck up

[tribal blade]

someone i got title with fully bought all his IO during S2 TWW

as disc priest

and ended up on the buyers list

i hate the fact i now know so many people who've ended up on buyers lists

but yeah that meant he had to heal a 20 DFC

that wasn't an easy key to heal

[vague jetty]

Hi all, I am dungeon slice simming my gear for M+ and Raidbots is telling me that in M+, I should be stacking only mastery and crit and bringing my haste down to 14%. Is this bait? Or is having haste below 18% valid for M+? Edit: It's showing a 9k more damage at 14% haste as compared to my current setup of 800ish haste with Puzzle Box

[short radish]

700 haste guidon
800 h aste puzzlebox

then just acquire crit/mastery

crit for more ST

mast for more aoe

if you have more crit than mastery it's better

if you have more mastery than crit its not end of the world

[alpine kestrel]

hi, 700 raw stats, or with buffs ?

[dreamy wedge]

with buffs.

[swift tinsel]

with phoenix oil*

the only buff you consider towards that

otherwise its raw stats from gear and gems/enchants

[dreamy wedge]

Flask is also an option.

[swift tinsel]

if you're in the 500's range ye

[vague jetty]

I saw that already. My question was whether the raidbots API was accounting for haste breakpoints or not. Hence whether the 14% haste sim in my case, leading to 9k more damage was a valid case or bait. Edit: I even simmed for haste/mastery/crit flasks and it specifically said mastery flask over haste even in the 14% haste case

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) percent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[sacred jewel]

i can't even get into +10 keys with 280 and 3k, they really hate rogues

[vague jetty]

Sorry, am not a regular here so am not used to internal jokes yet. Would appreciate some clarity on what you mean

[vale osprey]

Literally opened the rogue discord to say the same fucking thing

I'm beyond tilted

[sacred jewel]

🤣

[vale osprey]

I'm 281, 3k, 7/9m, these guys legit only want whatever classes fucking petko or whoever it is puts in their tierlists because they're braindead

[somber sun]

tf

really ??

I thought at some points you WILL get accepted

[swift tinsel]

ye was happening to me yesterday a bunch too, just kinda how it goes for non-fotm

[sacred jewel]

it gets better towards the end of the week

but after reset its rough

[vale osprey]

Like I just want to get in 2 low ass pit keys

To not get the item I want from rolls

[sacred jewel]

same

[vale osprey]

this is so stupid

[swift tinsel]

I even put 'can trade all gear' in note lol

[vale osprey]

Blizz needs to introduce this m+ solo q already

Or remove M+ low keys they serve no purpose than to piss us off and harbour bad players looking for a carry 🙂

hehexd can you tell my level of tilt

[swift tinsel]

I mean whatever level it ends up at after removal just becomes the new Low Keys

[alpine kestrel]

no :x

[swift tinsel]

they serve as an intro to routes and systems

[sacred jewel]

yea, like go find another class that does 20-30 kicks and cc every dungeon

they dont appreciate it

[vale osprey]

FINALLY got into a fucking group because they memed about decor score in note and I whispered him with my decor score

[swift tinsel]

rogue perception is usually shit if we aren't clearly one of the strongest dps

but that's a lot of class' case

[sacred jewel]

yea go pick one of the other classes that dont have their interrupt on their hotbar 😔

[sacred jewel]

go blast it

[somber sun]

follower m+

[swift tinsel]

cannot stress enough how helpful it is to be in a guild that is active in m+

[sacred jewel]

im contributing by having a healer and tank alt 🫡

[lusty narwhal]

what website is that from?

[sacred jewel]

its called carried.io, take it with a grain of salt but it'll show "contribution" stats

[lusty narwhal]

thanks

[sacred jewel]

whether it actually means anything is a diff story

[rain swift]

🥲

catalyzing chest

[sacred jewel]

if u are planning to spend bonus rolls on m+, might be worth spending those tokens first

before picking anything from the vault

[narrow comet]

That ring is pretty good if you get the set right?

[rain swift]

yeah im planning to use the bonus roll in raid on myth gaze this week

[rain swift]

got better rings atm

[narrow comet]

Oh word. I thought having the set was BIS

[rain swift]

it is really good but i dont think bis

[hazy breach]

Its fine

can be bis

Theres like two dozens setups that are all about the same, and theres some with the rings in it

[swift tinsel]

I'm a single ring away from my dream item set, then its just replacing the hero ones with myth

[rain swift]

yeah, i got myth purloin atm, and i got bifurcation which i need to reach haste cap as i dont have guidon yet

[swift tinsel]

just need occlusion then its track upgrading time

and being in crest debt til the end of time

(should have raised/removed myth crest cap with Voidcore release)

[vale pine]

(i still have the tier set slots on heroic track)

[swift tinsel]

unnecessary friction imo

[void ocean]

same broda

[vale pine]

its only the two i got in vault

so was lucky

also so far no mythic weapon

[reef walrus]

have you not seen a dagger from vorasius yet,

?

[swift tinsel]

was gonna say, that's a mighty fine beetle stabber

[crystal bone]

🪲

[swift tinsel]

legit jumped out of my chair when I got mine lol

first myth wep I'd seen all season

[lilac stag]

Robot sims near perfect gcd usage so it will drop haste down. Old dude with 3 kids needs more haste to fit 8 casts in dance window. #subtlety-faq

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale osprey]

After all of my tilt, blizz rewarded me

[azure thicket]

i really like how sub has access to cheap shot

[sacred jewel]

im on the final boss

hoping for the dagger

[azure thicket]

it's about as good as iron wire was a few seasons ago

if you're using it regularly you're not gonna time a 16-17 in 2 chest range but you're gonna time it y'know what i mean

https://tenor.com/view/thebongocat-the-bongo-cat-bongo-cat-bongo-bongosolana-gif-6364132309558027102

[pliant shoal]

Does anybody have some advice on two-target cleave bosses (e.g. MC first boss, WS duo boss, etc)? I feel like my damage is pretty lacking in those scenarios specifically. Should you be shuriken storm + black powder, or full ST and spreading eviscerates?

[azure thicket]

shuri/bp

they're long continuous fights so things that fix it besides gearing up are getting to haste cap

[alpine wraith]

you play as usual just bp on 2 targets if you have potent powder talent

strike in dance

but outside storm

and yea we suck at 2-3 target cleave

it is what it is when they decided we needed a 15% nerf

[sacred jewel]

got my dupe roll from pre fix 😔

[azure thicket]

strike is preferred?

[alpine wraith]

yea you strike on 2 targets even 3

[azure thicket]

cool sending pit of saron later for last voidcore roll too :b