subtlety

[azure thicket]

mm

[shrewd lantern]

is there any reason to rush those

[swift tinsel]

don't you need to do them to get the voidcores for rerolling for the week

or do you just get a quest to buy 2 more

[shrewd lantern]

no you just pay marl

and get it instantly

[swift tinsel]

oh ez

surprised there isn't a 3x voidcore shard quest like there was every week before this

[azure thicket]

ye the tooltip had me thinking we had to drop them out of keys

forgot you just buy them in voidstorm honestly

[frank wolf]

sometimes when the universe gives you the sign to uninstall you stop resisting fate

[quaint lodge]

tbf tokens this seasn in particular r p good

cux bonus rolls

[swift tinsel]

yeah, kind of an unironically great addition

would not be mad if that became a seasonal day-1 thing

[sweet moss]

is there any down side to using sword as sub?

[swift tinsel]

yes, lower energy and combo point generation

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[sweet moss]

oh fk

ffs

[swift tinsel]

since oh damage is shit you can just get a cheap one off the ah

its the stats you're after in that slot

[lone oak]

hey i just started playing recently, i just got enough myth dawncrests to make my second crafted item, is it the play to do 2 crafted daggers? or should i just have 1

[swift tinsel]

just one crafted dagger

[lone oak]

ty

[swift tinsel]

can do something like belt/bracers/cloak, maybe ring/neck depending on what you have and what content you do

[sage pond]

when Premed fix, how are they not fixing this faster...

[vale pine]

2nd dagger is not worth it, its the weakeast (or one of the weakest) slots you can have an upgrade in

[vale pine]

players: "fix premed"
blizz: Makes the smoke bomb buff auto refresh when the smoke effect ends

[swift tinsel]

something to be mindful of is jewelry can't have Arcanoweave embellishment

[somber sun]

just wait a bit for 2nd

[swift tinsel]

I'll gladly make this compromise every time lol

[somber sun]

what is your ilevel if I may ask

[lone oak]

265 rn

[sweet moss]

nah man im 280

just been using a 276 sword off hand

for ages

XD

[sage pond]

I mean yeah that is nice, however I have no patience for what they are (not) doing with premed...

[vale pine]

thats how cc works

[somber sun]

just wait till 275 ish to craft

second to myth

get a 259 for now

[swift tinsel]

yeah, saw it changed with the energy cost fix

[woeful wren]

I dnt even care about premed. Give us a new ability. I hate black powder

[swift tinsel]

I'm just kinda used to no premed opener already so its w/e

[sage pond]

yeah make the whole spec into a smoke themed one instead

[swift tinsel]

and in keys you don't notice it

[vale pine]

first time?

[swift tinsel]

lol right premed has been not-refunding for a while now

laughs in old shadowcraft

[vale pine]

reverting the nimble flurry change would probably be a nice thing

[sage pond]

no my rogue existed since 2004, doesnt mean i find it understandable that they leave bugs like that for aeons

[swift tinsel]

revert nimble change and fix this please

suddenly our burst cleave is insane again

and also variable af lol

but the crit thing affects blade flurry too so it really, really should get fixed

[woeful wren]

Absolutely. It would be way more fun in keys. Idk. I would like us to have a more cleave focused finisher too though. Similar to Zed E from league or shadow cascade from lost epoch. Can keep powder as a uncapped aoe in giga pulls or something idk.

[swift tinsel]

sectech would ideally fit that niche

[unkempt drum]

Ok blizz we're even now for the two straight dud vaults (had myth feather last week as only option)

[woeful wren]

Well, sectech would be cool if it placed shadows for X seconds that replicate ur finishers

[swift tinsel]

like clones that replicate your finishers?

[woeful wren]

ye but u place them rather than auto

[grim wasp]

When it says in faq to use 1 sd before pull how we do it?

[woeful wren]

so positional gameplay is something

[swift tinsel]

with how pets traditionally act, esp on sub, I'd prefer not to have more of them

akin to SEF clones from old WW

which were also notoriously bugged

another blizzard W

lmao

next apology blue post when

[shrewd lantern]

thats not even a dud vault

[swift tinsel]

that's what they're saying

it makes up for 2x dud vaults

[shrewd lantern]

though you can always take bonus rolls

[unkempt drum]

When I simmed the upgrade was pretty minimal against (I assume you're noting that feather isn't "bad" which it isn't)

[shrewd lantern]

so in theory theres not many bad vaults

[swift tinsel]

as long as you do enough content to ensure 6x tokens vaults are banger

[unkempt drum]

My other toon actually did get a bad one (relatively speaking), items are all downgrades or worse stats in already myth slots. Socket still isn't a total loss

[swift tinsel]

take bonus roll over sockets

guaranteed myth items

[unkempt drum]

oh duh totally forgot you can buy these now

[chilly tree]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silent sphinx]

opener

[somber sun]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal i am outlaw ascended

2.1k dps over my mythic guidon + 3k dps from upgrading my 276 weapon to max

[lucid jackal]

1st buyer of the tier is an outlaw buyer

I wanna quit

[plush roost]

Forever281ilvl

We got lura to 8% and messed up last memory game smodge

Im so broke bro i need saleees

[swift tinsel]

I'm officially in game prison

rip

[frail kindle]

dude if we kill lura tonight we can sell voidspire on monday actually huge

[swift tinsel]

now that I can make r2 consumes without concentration I'm bout to make all my gold for the xpac

[frail kindle]

what spec r u playing

sub is annoying me in p3

[swift tinsel]

once the mid-late season reagent price slump hits

[plush roost]

I am sub and wdym

[frail kindle]

my guy is stopping auto attacking for some reason in p3

it happened like 2 pulls in a row

[plush roost]

Yeah hitbox hella small

[frail kindle]

i had no sht stacks and i had no idea why

[plush roost]

I stand on my tank perma

[lucid jackal]

Amazing vault as well

FUck my life

[plush roost]

Outlaw neck!

Smile

[lucid jackal]

[strange chasm]

Outlaw is SLAMMING

[lucid jackal]

It is but taking a fucking saladra neck is just complete dogshit

Maybe I get the achivement at the start of the next tier

[fossil forge]

eating good

[fallow ingot]

I'm throwing a bottle in the ocean... Does anyone know why on Alleria my Obelisk model are fukced ? i checked the option , they are disabled : https://www.wowhead.com/es/news/reduce-the-grasp-of-emptiness-visual-with-motion-sickness-option-in-the-381274

[coarse raven]

can we have tier set token with bonus roll ?

[vagrant sinew]

yes

[wary locust]

what would be our next best dagger? dont think ill get the myth belo one for awhile lol

any from dungeons to roll for?

[lilac stag]

Likely pit

Haste/Crit

[swift tinsel]

pit or skyreach

poverty haste/vers one from npx

[vale pine]

crit/haste/mastery

a mix of these stats

[wary locust]

thanks fellas. what is the haste breakpoint?

[swift tinsel]

700 with guidon, 800 without

[gilded thistle]

does the 1% nelf racial haste do anything for us?

like mechanically

[paper cypress]

Crit its the best stats for us now?

[gilded thistle]

in raid yeah

mastery for m+

[swift tinsel]

reduces sectech cd but does not extend dance

[gilded thistle]

figured

alright

[sweet moss]

Guys on vaelgor since hitting 2 targets

do we bp

[lilac stag]

If you take pp yes

[gilded thistle]

hehe

[sweet moss]

but most dont right

[gilded thistle]

i take big pp

[lilac stag]

On that fight you prolly should

Voids are kinda important

[sweet moss]

was just going off top logs ppl dont take it

nvm

im blind af

[lilac stag]

idk what you are looking at

[sweet moss]

yeah

i said im blind

[graceful osprey]

How’s everyone’s vault so far? Is it over?

[timid rose]

i'm torn... gotta wait to see what I do with it until I use my first two bonus rolls 😄

[graceful osprey]

Oh wait, don’t we get 4 bonus rolls now?

[timid rose]

depends on how you spent last week

only +2 per week (+1 if you use your vault coins to buy another)

[steel zinc]

you got this now

[swift tinsel]

huge ring vault jesus

[swift tinsel]

you get 2 additional rolls per week, so if you didn't use any last week you'd have 4, if you used 2x you'd have 2 this week

[left ledge]

I used 2x

Have 4

It’s that easy

[swift tinsel]

did you use 2x before they fixed the patch

[timid rose]

yeah, i'll probably grab the occlusion but waiting until after i spend my rolls

[left ledge]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

there ya go lol

[minor osprey]

hi does the smoke still need 30 energy or is it fixed

[left ledge]

Fixed

New bug

Now extends even out of smoke

[swift tinsel]

no new QoL feature

shhh

[left ledge]

Smoke is cosmetic

[minor osprey]

ahhh

i see

[swift tinsel]

as it should be

[minor osprey]

we are the smoke

[swift tinsel]

and by cosmetic the visual should last 1 second

[left ledge]

No we are dogshit

Unfortunately

[swift tinsel]

I would like to be a smoke ninja for the duration of cloud cover

[oak sorrel]

man

catalyzing boots has me at a 1k dps increase but i don't want sims to bait me into losing too much haste lol

[swift tinsel]

if they cause you to lose enough haste to be below breakpoint after shuffling oils/gems/etc then I'd not do that

[oak sorrel]

im at 630 before oils, and it wants me to drop 40 from catalyzing haste vers boots into crit+mas

[swift tinsel]

[grim wasp]

i forgot where i saw today taht we need 800 haste to fit in secret tech in shadowblades

was seeing 700 everywhere

we need 700 or 800?

[timid rose]

800 without guidon

[grim wasp]

i see i was rocking 700 without guidon will use haste pot now

[drifting ether]

Rip no trinkets but helm is last tierset and i have tokens for socket

[swift tinsel]

would use tokens for reroll voidcore

[drifting ether]

Ehh im still hunting for gaze aswell, socket gives me the most value

[earnest cedar]

Why is sims telling me to drop 160 hate (dropping to 580) to get +200 crit

or is siming hast just bugged?

~600 dps increase for above

[strange chasm]

You guys bonus rolling POS?

[shrewd lantern]

npx

[hexed wave]

POS for life

[shrewd lantern]

Me as someone with only 2 useable items from POS:

[weak bear]

What's this site?

I've just started sub rogue and got rolls. Should I roll POS for weapon?

[astral axle]

raidbots.com

[random mason]

i rolled skyreach cause it was all upgrades apart from the trinket

got trinket and 2 upgrades

no weapon

[drifting ether]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot, you'll need the simulation c addon and you paste it in there

[oak sorrel]

nice to see the taking over every fight

[undone cliff]

Well, y’all did it. I ran some keys this past week. Question, if I have max crafted dagger and heroic talon dagger, would it be best to craft another dagger at max rank or spend that upgrading a piece of my champion gear?

[random mason]

off hand is a very low prio upgrade

[undone cliff]

Mine does that too and I just ignore to stay around 700 haste

So my 285 crafted in MH and bird dagger in secondary should be good?

[fiery fog]

bonus rolls have to be rigged

[drifting ether]

Will be good until you get a myth weapon, you'd rather use crafting to fill in your other pieces

[undone cliff]

I was thinking replace lowest item but wasn’t sure. Always good to ask

[fossil forge]

chat we are making it out the hood soon

[swift tinsel]

first

[finite hedge]

oh its back

did it die for everyone else?

[vale pine]

discord is back, yay

[swift tinsel]

The browser version is still shitting the bed for me

[pliant canopy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/maeistr?difficulty=4&boss=3183 - Is someone able to tell me why my damage was so bad on this kill?
Didn't feel like I was doing anything super different than usual my damage was way lower

[coral bear]

Man I have no idea what to take

The Glove is 3/6Mythic, with Leech, and the ring is BIS for both SUB Single Target and M+ Sin

Glove = save 20crest, and have mythic gloves

Ring = Bis Ring, and wont need to waste rerolls on pit

[shrewd lantern]

ring isnt bis

[livid gorge]

Did I win 😄

[swift tinsel]

its one of the best you can get

npx set overhyped

does like instant poison levels of damage

[lilac stag]

it’s free dmg with good stats for us on the set. I’ll gladly take both as mythic since we can farm them.

[swift tinsel]

idk just think its disingenuous to tell people any ring that isn't part of the set isn't good

[copper river]

Was there some change to Eviscerate damage today? Some rogue is going off in trade chat about the change being terrible, but I can't find anything that mentions changes.

[swift tinsel]

not unless there was some weird undocumented change

[valid falcon]

when am i supposed to press the 2nd dance in shadow blades window?

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[obsidian crag]

evasion do not work for lura glaives?

[fallow nimbus]

Cloak does

[copper river]

So what's an ideal amount of crit now for aoe? I'm at 26.3% unbuffed. Should I recraft for more?

[swift tinsel]

mastery is more your jam for aoe

wouldn't really say there's an ideal crit % for that

[alpine wraith]

discord died eh

[swift tinsel]

ye

like all of the class discords were gone lol

[north schooner]

it seems to be based on fuu's sim? along with birb ring. not that the ring set is necessarily far behind

[haughty mural]

F

[swift tinsel]

xiani is fervently ring set pilled lol

[shrewd lantern]

probably a gorilllion combinations within error

[austere elm]

i thought i got banned 🙂

[lilac stag]

Just depends on what goals are. For sub I’ll farm it out. I’ll run void + crafted for outlaw.

eventually replace crafted with pit ring

[swift tinsel]

I'll be in pit prison til I get ring and neck

already got ring legs bracers

[tidal solstice]

same

[swift tinsel]

but bracers need a socket to beat vora bracers that have socket natty

[lilac stag]

I got neck today so I’ll focus on nexus until I get those rings

[austere elm]

so whats with the shadow dance/sec teq macro. if i play long dance (first dance talent) and im trying to spam out the second during shadowblades, i just cant press ithe shadow dance/sec teq macro. even the first shadow dance is done and gone already and the second charge is available.

[swift tinsel]

I mostly just need the dagger though

still no myth mh

have not seen one yet from vault

but surely there's one waiting in my vault when I get home from work

and not a npx dagger that one's icky

[hexed wave]

guys i love sub, i got gaze, guida, and puzle all heroic, cloak needs and upgrade...with that ebing said i need help, got defiant cloak in vault mythic, and solorflare prism mythic...do i hardswap to outlaw? i really love sub but soemtimes if the opportunity arises i dont mind going outlaw but i could always get cloak and be done and forget prism landed in my vault lol

[swift tinsel]

(which means saying that will guarantee that's whats in my vault )

[hexed wave]

been farming wep from PIT so do i just get the 6x tokens lol

[cold citrus]

why u playing first dance

[lilac stag]

Haste Vers ain’t that icky

[swift tinsel]

why would you hard swap if you want to play sub

based on one vault

[tidal solstice]

this popped in my vault and the only other competition was shoulders 😐

but bonus avoidance is nice

[austere elm]

for dungeons? there are many rogs whos playing it, many doesnt

but i didnt have this issue before.

[lilac stag]

one vault makes or breaks you.

[swift tinsel]

i guess so lol

[hexed wave]

prob right, i just figured, if the mythic gear arises to try but honestly might just cape it up ur right

[tidal solstice]

i just tried it again in a pit and wasnt impressed

[swift tinsel]

have you used your rerolls yet

[hexed wave]

last week yes, not this week, so what im doing is im using them in pit for neck and wep

so far i got 3 from that place so im almost there lol

[tidal solstice]

TFD kinda sucks with the voidbound emissary, cutoff at least 3 in one run

[swift tinsel]

gear for the spec you want to play

and if you want to swap between sub and outlaw you can with the same gear more or less

[hexed wave]

i wanna play sub so ill stick to it, dont see it dropping much from other two

perfect, i appreciate it!!!!

[lilac stag]

Just do 12+ and problem solves itself

[hexed wave]

think u helped me answer it lol

[swift tinsel]

outlaw just wants more than the 7-800 haste

[hexed wave]

yea guess i could just farm prism later anyways

thanks team

[swift tinsel]

its not like prism is terrible for sub as well, just not as good as gaze

bc nothing is really as good as gaze lol

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt outlaw play gaze too

[swift tinsel]

ye gaze and plume iirc

[shrewd lantern]

yeah outlaw has never liked on use stat trinkets

sometimes a "use and it does damage" is good

[swift tinsel]

seen a bunch use captain insignia and prism

[hexed wave]

perf thank god i picked cloak then for the ugpgrade

[swift tinsel]

with their cdr I can't imagine on-use is that good for them mechanically anyways unless its a one and done damage hit

though xymox trinket from sepulcher was fun

big boom bleeds

couldn't imagine trying to use the earthquake trinket with cloud lol

[vale osprey]

Beloren proggers/killers

[grave wyvern]

what would caus this difference in damage done ? on chim mm

same talent on both rogue

[vale osprey]

Towards the end of myth p2 - I have a dance charge up for about 4-5 seconds of egg but NOT sectec, do I send the natty dance to get a few juiced shadowstrikes and evis to egg?

[swift tinsel]

second sectech can hit adds sometimes

[vale osprey]

Nothing I really need to sectec until birds dive anyway

[obsidian crag]

aligning sec tec with shadow dance properly maybe? im guessing

[shrewd lantern]

they could barely use this on aoe

[swift tinsel]

if they spawn near boss as you're coming back down from the knockup

[shrewd lantern]

since flurry never crit

you literally used axe on st

or the wand

[grave wyvern]

well that what i'm doing i'm the sectec first damage, but when look on warcraftlog it is not the first damage source from top[ rogue

this is why i wonder

if i'm doing bad or not xd

[shrewd lantern]

you're going to have ss variance this patch

due to crit damage

[swift tinsel]

ye strike dmg will be all over the place

[grave wyvern]

oooh okay

[swift tinsel]

I bet I can get 40%+ crit before the season is over

go even further beyond

[shrewd lantern]

yk what trinket was really funny in amir

the volocross snake trinket

[swift tinsel]

I liked the lil hydraman

[shrewd lantern]

especially in vault keys

since the snek enrages and does aoe

if the mob it was hitting dies

[grave wyvern]

how much crit should i aim ? i have guidon and for the moment i have after flask/buff
crit 948 33%
mast 700 20%
hast 730 62%
poly 58 4%

[shrewd lantern]

But yeah i've had strike crit almost as hard as a supercharged st

last week

[swift tinsel]

kinda wish I could old-CB rotten strike

or if CBK buff was cyclical

builder crits buff finisher crits buff builder crits

[shrewd lantern]

lmao hc chim

my max st was 184k

max strike was 224k

[swift tinsel]

also storm having what, 32% crit chance from talents could be redistributed

15% from Imp Storm, 10% from Clever Combatant, 5% from Deadly Precision and 2% from Lethality

[shrewd lantern]

its cooked if i ever decided to play pirate

i'd be playing renown trinket

as my 2nd probs

[maiden oar]

im doing that rn

on pirat

[swift tinsel]

Lol that's what I do rn

[maiden oar]

but one day i will hit gaze

[swift tinsel]

lmao

gang gang

[shrewd lantern]

no i have gaze

but otl wants double passive

[swift tinsel]

gaze+crucible

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[shrewd lantern]

so

[maiden oar]

just get the skyreach one

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

skyreach is where I'm going after I clear out pit probs

[shrewd lantern]

im still farming a hero pb

for the rare times i play sin

[maiden oar]

hehe

[swift tinsel]

fuck that never touching sin or pb

[maiden oar]

i have myth pb myth guidon nothing else but its an alt so its probably ok

ill luck into gaze 1 day

tbh the cast time on pb is fine its just less haste in blades thats miserable

[shrewd lantern]

in that npx run i did

[swift tinsel]

surely we kill myth chim thursday and its waiting for me in vault

[shrewd lantern]

saw 2 other people bonus roll a ring

[swift tinsel]

the following reset

[maiden oar]

i love overcapping cp on purpose // delaying gcd to catch last sectech the instant it comes up

[swift tinsel]

I feel like I end up waiting like 1/2-1/3 of a gcd for it sometimes and it bothers me

[maiden oar]

yea

its nbd with guidon

[swift tinsel]

ye

[maiden oar]

but w pb its so bad

[shrewd lantern]

weirdest part is i took a myth helm 2-3 weeks ago

and i cant upgrade it

because no crests

[maiden oar]

gotta make sure ur not empty cp when it comes up too!

[shrewd lantern]

other slots bigger upgrades

[swift tinsel]

I hate crest caps

forever and always

let me degen

they throw gear at you infinitely

[shrewd lantern]

i dont its just

i've never been this deep in crest debt

400+

[swift tinsel]

esp now that you can get 3x myth items from m+

weekly

[shrewd lantern]

that accelerated it

my other bonus once i used it adds more debt

unless its a brick and the gloves

[swift tinsel]

yeah I went from having a trove of myth crests to none

in a week

[maiden oar]

i ripped myth pb one of the first vaults and upgraded it

[swift tinsel]

bc I got 3x from rolls plus 1 from raid

[maiden oar]

and then i hit myth guidon in an alt run later and i was so fed up that i sent that too and i have no other myth trinkets

[shrewd lantern]

i got myth guidon and gaze the same week

[swift tinsel]

and that's with me not being able to take myth from vault for two weeks bc I had guidon and gaze hc in there

[maiden oar]

so im like 80 crests down until i bonus roll any chim trinket

[shrewd lantern]

that took so many crests out

[maiden oar]

but now i have good guidon wahoo!

[swift tinsel]

gear economy just feels really weird rn

[shrewd lantern]

yeah most raiders

[swift tinsel]

part of me likes getting a lot of gear but then its just pending bc upgrade costs

[shrewd lantern]

are moderately in crest debt

lmao

[swift tinsel]

so it sits at 276

or w/e

[maiden oar]

yea

my main man is in crest debt too '

ive had this 3/6 cape for like weeks

[shrewd lantern]

part of why i want to pull occlusion from my other bonus roll

[maiden oar]

and i cant spend anything on it

cant craft

[shrewd lantern]

and take dragons cloak

one of my last hero pieces

and higher than base

[somber sun]

add to it the absurd catalyst drop rate

[swift tinsel]

that's been weird to me across toons

my rogue has gotten very few but my dk and dh are showered in them

[shrewd lantern]

i've had 3/6 mythic tier gloves

for the past 3 weeks

since its just not worth my weekly crest

over other slots

[swift tinsel]

my dh has been at or around 8/8 charges for weeks

meanwhile rogue sits at 3/8

and I do wayyyy more content on my rogue

but barely catalyze on it

[somber sun]

cant they just add a tracker based on how many activities

[shrewd lantern]

i got so many cata charges

that i've been able to send on speed gear

so yeah

[swift tinsel]

like I think I cata'd boots and shoulders or gloves

on rogue

and that's it

and I'm at 3 charges atm

its weird

[shrewd lantern]

also due to that weird refund shit

[swift tinsel]

but dh and dk are able to cata every single hero piece they've gotten without needing to do a single m+/raid

[shrewd lantern]

i have an extra myth npx chest

for reasons

[swift tinsel]

I can feel in my bones I'm getting duplicate pit legs today

[shrewd lantern]

i got the mace from npx so im primed to play outlaw

too

[swift tinsel]

I might roll for that after I get all the m+ gear I want to roll for as sub

which is pretty much the same gear I want for outlaw lol

[shrewd lantern]

well its better than dagger lootspec

[rain swift]

i feel like we've gotten a shit ton of cata charges no?

[shrewd lantern]

radiant slicer isnt good

[swift tinsel]

ye its my lowest-prio dagger

between pit and skyreach

[shrewd lantern]

i mean droprate is good

[swift tinsel]

I'm also very much into the idea of crit stacking bc I want to so any non-haste/crit or crit/mastery item isn't as appealing to me

[somber sun]

what is the lootbox vault addon's name again ?

[shrewd lantern]

just crit natty

[austere elm]

it always happens on first pull with bl

[valid yoke]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Critical Strike > Haste(roughly 700) >= Mastery > Versatility
Mythic+: Mastery >Haste(roughly 700) >= Critical Strike > Versatility

[valid yoke]

thats different -.-

I thought we wanted 700 haste then mastery O_O

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[hollow spear]

well, we still do (for m+)

[shrewd lantern]

stats barely changed

people acting like crit>mastery instead of mastery>crit was a drastic shift

[hollow spear]

Wait, you didn't delete your character because it had more than 1k mastery?

[shrewd lantern]

shit i forgot the memo

[lilac stag]

nah no delete. Just play outlaw

[valid yoke]

Does guidon still do the stupid bug thing where it takes the game a full second to realise you have guidon active?

[hazy breach]

Deepening shadows still does that yes

[wraith girder]

Is sub swap to outlaw easy stat wise

[alpine wraith]

not as bad as before

if you gear more crit

instead of mastery but

[wraith girder]

I have like 800 mastery lmao

[shrewd lantern]

is that alot

[wraith girder]

Think its prob more than outlaw wants

Cus my haste is around 750ish

Screw it rolling devourer

[shrewd lantern]

thats just get a different ring

or neck

[trail rover]

Guys do i even have to check my shadow techniques stacks or can I just always go for another builder if ancient arts isnt up ? feels like starting sd with st into double ss is correct most of the time not sure if apex ever didnt procc after 2nd builder

[timber quiver]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallow nimbus]

You have to check, else you don't proc AA

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[swift tinsel]

3x bonus rolls and 5 items I can get from pit, only two of them I actually want. gamba time

[chilly tree]

how come some top m+ logs are going finality?

[fair cedar]

How come partial Akaari's Soul is not counted for my damage? There was no other rogue.

[hazy breach]

If the person logging was more than 100 yards away or in another "realm" the game bugs out and does that

[hazy breach]

Idk what you mean

All build recommendations for aoe have finality

[chilly tree]

are we supposed to run finality for m+?

what do you drop?

[shut hornet]

hey guys im new sub here, how much is the dmg difference between having a 285 dagger and sowrd in the offhand if i want to play both specs ?

[chilly tree]

you get a lot less secret tech procs

[hazy breach]

Probably better of buying a green dagger from the auction house than using your 285 sword

[vagrant sinew]

a blue dagger is better

[swift tinsel]

handful of sub logs in m+ running without finality

probs saw it there

[shut hornet]

oh shit ty

[sick dagger]

A question about this though. Sometimes in the opener u get absolute shitty rng and dont get a lot of secret techniques stacks. Are u better off just sending a non apex charged finisher or is it better to keep on striking until u get apex proc?

[hazy breach]

If all the conditions aint true, then dont strike

[chilly tree]

ok idk where i got my talent string at but i guess ive been playing wrong this whole time

[sick dagger]

Oke ty!

[chilly tree]

does finality buff coup too?

[hazy breach]

fwiw theres very little difference between it and veiltouched/tfd

But yes finality affects coup

[chilly tree]

tfc prob better in dungeons you dont chain pull consistently id assume

[lean rover]

I got a Hero lights company Guidon last week to replace my Hero puzzle box. Vault rewards me with mythic puzzle box fml I want out

[trail rover]

Do you always deplete all cp aka double finisher after apex or does it depend? and has getting another evis or shadwostrike in the blade window higher prio aka should I end blades with strike or finisher in best case

[lilac stag]

Heroic Guidon better than mythic box unless you’re playing assa

[hollow spear]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[slow roost]

is gideon simming poorly for me since I'm at the haste breakpoint with a flask?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pPQrjW8JjVqb9xV9yL6QNU

[hazy breach]

Yeah 865 is a bit excessive haste for guidon

[lilac stag]

Droptimizer doesn’t work well with high haste items. Run a gearset with 700 haste and add guidon to see gain

[narrow comet]

Would you guys take a Mythic Track Cloak from vault or a Nebulous Voidcore?

cloak is 19ilvl upd

[swift tinsel]

fighting for my life for one crumb of Pit of Saron rn

the insta-declines from the 1600 265 resto druids are cutting deep

[left ledge]

BEHOLD

THE MOST ASS OF VAULTS

MY BIGGEST UPGRADE

0.3%

[somber sun]

what level ?

let me guess

mhm

+10

insta decline like we are getting in a +16/+18

[swift tinsel]

I've taken tokens on every single toon today its awesome lmao

[swift tinsel]

ye just 10-12's for speed

and no one in guild atm has a pit lmao

[somber sun]

all that just to finish top damage

[lilac stag]

What rings are you using? Isn’t the raid one the high crit / vers? That thing sims crazy good for me.

[swift tinsel]

high crit/mastery

really really high crit

[lilac stag]

yeah.

🤤

[narrow comet]

If you don't have a good vault do you default to Nebulous Void core now?

[somber sun]

yeah

its like

the same

kinda

[narrow comet]

Yeah

It's a guaranteed reroll of mythic track at +10

[hexed wave]

you guys know anyone that sells mythic plus dungeons, literally cant even get into 10s, i guess my rating is trash at 2800-2900

[hazy breach]

Fwiw sockets are fairly strong too

[hexed wave]

just trying to play the game and roll tokens blizzard is giving us

[narrow comet]

10s are just busy

[left ledge]

crafted ring and pos ring

[lilac stag]

Run your key

[left ledge]

so that ring sims 0.1%

[swift tinsel]

ye sockets are what's keeping me from equipping myth pit bracers over hc vora bracers atm

[lilac stag]

Interesting

[hexed wave]

yea just boring cause i need pit lol but ur right, ty

[somber sun]

its very good ngl, 3 289 items per week

[swift tinsel]

yeah its quite good for gearing

[somber sun]

can just use catalyst on the trash one

[swift tinsel]

assuming you're not getting omega owned rng-wise

[hazy breach]

BUT IT IS ON THE BIS LISTS

How can you not take it?? Big nooberman?

[alpine wraith]

big bis

[swift tinsel]

sims kicked my dog

[lilac stag]

IV BIS LIST IS NEXUS RINGS

[swift tinsel]

don't trust

!

[lilac stag]

AM I GETTING TROLLED BY IV GUIDE WRITER?!?!?!?

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[swift tinsel]

it's all a ploy by Big Sim to get you to pay for Raidbots Premium

cabal confirmed

pretty soon we see tariffs on APL's

next thing you know Github is asking for a ballroom

slippery slope

[hazy breach]

Hub? The only git i know is git gud

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-git-gud-gif-16530511115199627055

solaire agrees

[somber sun]

windrunner spire +14

ohh wait why is no one joining

[left ledge]

OH MY GOD

IM TAKING IT RIGHT NOW

[molten citrus]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[alpine wraith]

i wonder if the chinese make memes of us every time someone is looking at their set ups

[lilac stag]

You need to step up to the IV outlaw guide writer BIS list

outlaw apm killed Seli

[slow roost]

@lilac stag cheers, using top gear worked and guidon is still a large upgrade

[strong shoal]

we killed the egg tonight because trinkets were good... no one wanted the trinket. Is plume good?

[hazy breach]

About the same as gaze for ST if you put it on crit

Slightly worse than gaze as mastery in aoe

[strong shoal]

Aka let it die in my bags

[tranquil jacinth]

its pretty good for outlaw if you plan on playing it

[strong shoal]

i do not

[dusky yacht]

Keep it for roleplay

You can use it to tickle the nightelves

[tranquil jacinth]

equip it in front of your friend who wants it and tell them to inspect you?

[strong shoal]

fair enough!

[lilac stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/noice-brooklyn-ninenine--k01KQB4NQCQ6BR053448TXP7AF4

[somber sun]

why tho

some outlaw gameplay from time to time

maybe guild leader will ask you to switch in the future, just start banking up

[austere elm]

reroll

dead class

[lilac stag]

outlaw on the come up

3-4 more 4% buffs and it’ll be upper 1/3

[ionic wave]

i understand the new opener without premed but has anyone noticed stealth instantly canceling after the vanish? i SS > Vanish > SS and the stealth doesnt stick around at all

[somber sun]

nah he just needs to run with guild

[somber sun]

they dont even recognize outlaw here

around 10-13 m+

rogue is rogue no matter what

[swift tinsel]

first pull we like this

just need myth choker and I'm free from pit

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

so hype rn

also I forget if I asked this before, does aoe blind work on Termination adds on lura

[keen steppe]

Bonus Rolls are myth track in m+ ?

[iron obsidian]

yes

[swift tinsel]

on a +10 or higher

272 1/6 myth track

[keen steppe]

People run keys beneath 10 this addon D: ?

[swift tinsel]

I've certainly seen people ask if the key level mattered for myth track bonus rolls

[keen steppe]

Sounds strong

[swift tinsel]

its very strong

potentially 3x myth track from m+ is huge

weekly

[oak socket]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[tribal blade]

either neck to replace hero alleria neck or tokens, what you guys think

[keen steppe]

Its hard to see no dagger in vault or myth vorasius :(

[swift tinsel]

is there anything you're hunting for atm?

[oak socket]

Whats the command for fuu sims

[swift tinsel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

the ring 2 set from nexus right now

hard to say

[swift tinsel]

I'd wait til you burn those before taking imo

[hazy breach]

Can pick bonus roll from vault and you have a high chance of getting it from keys

[swift tinsel]

hero alleria neck still quite good for the big haste

[short radish]

hook

[swift tinsel]

though if you can swap to saladbar neck and still hit breakpoint could be bigly

oh true Hook is bis

[tribal blade]

OH YOU

you're so silly

[tribal blade]

yeah plus free dmg

[swift tinsel]

saving this for the inevitable 1000% buff it's gonna get

[keen steppe]

Other question when i play a academy and deplete it on 17 seconds and the patch hits with 1 minute extra? I timed it then ?

[tribal blade]

i see a lot of people are using the saladbar neck though

[tribal blade]

i'm just waiting on me friend

[short radish]

probably because thats whats most available

outside pit neck

[tribal blade]

true true

[swift tinsel]

I'd have to pug if I wanted any hero/myth voidspire loot so I'm just sticking with whatever myth I can get from m+

[west vessel]

quick question new here, when do i send puzzlebox after the first one

[swift tinsel]

and I do not want to pug hero/myth voidspire lol

[tribal blade]

i'm just gonna sit on this vault

for now

[west vessel]

the overlap is weird

[somber sun]

hero kinda fine ngl

[hazy breach]

Every other blades

[swift tinsel]

with tokens its extra benficial to sit on vault now

[candid field]

Whats the reasoning for off hand being least prio?

[somber sun]

everything before the two draggons should be ok

[short radish]

just gives stats

[swift tinsel]

and if you're hunting for anything from m+ that's extra incentive to wait

[hazy breach]

Its got the least amount of stats

[short radish]

and it gives fuck all stats

[hazy breach]

Like a chest gives literally 2x as much stats as a dagger

[swift tinsel]

my rogue's vault was literal hot shit so taking tokens was a no-brainer lol

kroluk's banner emberwing feather and myth tier I had already

actually npx kinda goated for me now, can get myth tier chest boots occlusion and outlaw mh

or skreach for myth tier chest/shoulders/boots

[tribal blade]

TAKING TOKENS FUCK IT

[swift tinsel]

shiiiii get this guy on a list he's a maniac

honestly banger

[rain swift]

skyreach goated to use reroll on

[swift tinsel]

ye I'm fortunate to have a few options

should still roll pit for Choker, but besides that npx and skreach are very good

[rain swift]

yeah im unfortunetaly trying to get guidon/gaze before rerolling on anything else

[swift tinsel]

I'll have to rely on vault for myth either of those

or I take myth Solarflare prism for a ~1% loss over myth gaze

[rain swift]

guidon i can get mythic very easily, i think i wiped once on imperator myth, and my guild is still progging chima

[hexed wave]

yea choker and wep from pit

[swift tinsel]

same we've gotten to intermission a few times but still quite proggy

[hexed wave]

literally cant do mythics

[rain swift]

just need it to drop and the roll be in my favor

[hexed wave]

cant get in anywhere and my key got bricked so that was fun

[rain swift]

got imperators back from my reroll this week 😔

[tribal blade]

btw are we getting turboboost like before this season where we upgrade gear further with myth crests

or will it only be upgrading weps/trinks to 298

[swift tinsel]

just wep/trinkets afaik

[rain swift]

crafted wep is lesser than 298 right? or am i wrong

[hazy breach]

Probably not

[tribal blade]

cool

just so i don't convert crests to upgrade gear and regret it

[keen steppe]

I think weapon and trinket uogrades are enough

[swift tinsel]

should just be needing to get them to 6/6 then use a voidcore without needing any additional crests

[hazy breach]

The weapon upgrades seems to be their replacement for the turboboost

As there was fairly negative feedback regarding the turboboost the second time around

Atleast as far as i could tell

[swift tinsel]

I'll have to wait and see but conceptually, I like this version better

needing to upgrade every single slot again felt unnecessarily grindy

so I never did lol

[lilac stag]

Crest cost was too much in turbo

need to dial it back

[somber sun]

better to roll first then vault right ?

[lilac stag]

Will the roll impact your decision? Then yes

[swift tinsel]

vault not counting towards list really affects the whole thing and I would like them to address that

but unlikely to happen

bc if you're looking for something from m+ you're incentivized to not take from vault in the chance you get it again from a roll you could have gotten by using a vault token bonus roll

if that makes sense

[ornate stump]

im 0/2 for bonus rolls on npx for rings but got choker w/ 1 roll in pit.. 3 bonus rolls this wk as well - i have a 289 wep but it's radiant silcer & heroic guidon/gaze not doing myth voidspire for trinket rerolls.. should i try for rings at nxp since i used 2 rolls last wk or pit/reach?

[swift tinsel]

imo I'd probs roll npx if you're aiming for both rings, unless you want to risk getting wedding ring from pit

from npx you can get 2x rings, boots/gloves to cata

kinda depends on what you want to do

bc skyreach you can get shoulder/boots to cata, plus prism or slicer again (if you got your first from vault/pre-fix)

gonna be a decent roll of the dice either way but good payout potential

[rain swift]

Just wondering, isn't guidon supposed to be BIS for trinket? it sims lower than my myth 6/6 puzzle box by quite a bit? or is the guidon still worth taking for the haste?

[hazy breach]

If you have puzzlebox you probably have a bit more haste than what you would want as guidon, also i would recommend to never use gear compare as topgear is just better

[rain swift]

yeah i got 761 haste (unbuffed) atm

[sweet moss]

what’s our best tertiary ?

[short radish]

speed

[swift tinsel]

really can't go wrong with any of them

but speed OP

[sweet moss]

why avoidance on wowhead enchants

[hazy breach]

You can go with either, whatever you prefer

[swift tinsel]

with feint we're basically already avoidance'd, leech is neat but we have EE

[short radish]

because they've been bought out by BIG AVOIDANCE ENCHANTERS

but yes

[swift tinsel]

leech has the added benefit of helping solo

[short radish]

tert doesnt matter

pick whatever you want that suits your playstyle

[swift tinsel]

whereas avoidance less so bc stuff is targeting and hitting you

[sweet moss]

okay yeah i just don’t know how much avoid helps healers out ect

for myth prog and shit

[swift tinsel]

this helps them

[ripe flame]

speed is bis for zoomies reason

[short radish]

healers heal

[swift tinsel]

and also this

[sweet moss]

true tbf

[swift tinsel]

oh plus this

we make healers jobs quite easy already without tertiaries lol

[sweet moss]

can u actually feel the difference with speed the

then

[swift tinsel]

sub is unironically very very tanky just as-is

[sweet moss]

always gone avoid

[rain swift]

also this (i personally prefer it over cheat death although i see it's quite popular to use cheat death)

[swift tinsel]

idk I'm always speedy bc of Fleet, Fade, and Sprint

plus Shadowrunner

[north garnet]

Elusiveness is way better than cheat

[swift tinsel]

eh

debable

[north garnet]

You shouldnt proc cheat anyway

[rain swift]

if u need cheat death ur not doing mechanics correctly

[swift tinsel]

damage that you'd mitigate with Evasion is better-mitigated by Feint baseline most of the time

Evasion is good for avoiding specific damage events

[north garnet]

Tho cheat is good if you are learning

[sweet moss]

this sssms ass

[rain swift]

what

[sweet moss]

the evasion part

[swift tinsel]

Feint reduces aoe dmg by 40%, and a very very big majority of damage you're taking is that kind of damage

[sweet moss]

maybe keys elusive is better

[swift tinsel]

vs the security blanket of Cheat

[hazy breach]

Generally in raid you play cheat and in keys you play elusiveness, because in keys most of the dangerous damage is not coded as AoE

[sweet moss]

yeah

[ionic wave]

is light guidon still bis past 700 haste?

[sweet moss]

? just drop to 700 gang

[ionic wave]

lol

[sweet moss]

😎

[hazy breach]

If things are coded as AoE feint reduces damage by 40%, regardless of whether you have elusiveness or not

[rain swift]

isnt elusiveness reducing "non"-aoe damage by 20% for feint or am i reading that wrong?

[hazy breach]

Correct

And as most damage in raid is AoE already

Feint doesnt do much

[coral bear]

for single target raiding

[rain swift]

yeah i keep it mainly for the evasion damage reduction

[coral bear]

how much haste

[hazy breach]

But in keys mobs apply random bleeds that do fucking 60% of your health per tick, in which case the 20% from elusiveness is good

[coral bear]

am i looking for?

Most optimal number?

[hazy breach]

Around 700

[coral bear]

more than 700? or less

or legit just 700,

curious whats the best best number

to go for

[rain swift]

pins

[coral bear]

Cause im having 3 gear going around 690 701 and 712

haste

[north garnet]

I like to be a little more than 700

Just to feel safe

Doesnt really matter

[coral bear]

okok

thank u papi shulo

[tribal blade]

huge

used 3 rerolls to get ring set

[rain swift]

giga

[north garnet]

[split garden]

with 800 haste r u supposed to be able to have 2 SDs cover all 20 seconds of shadow blades or should I leave a gap in the middle so SD covers the 2nd Sectec at the end? currently 2 SDs doesnt cover all of blades for me

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[split garden]

o7 ty thats kinda what I was naturally doing but wasnt sure if 800 haste was supposed to cover all 20 seconds but makes sense

[swift tinsel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[swift tinsel]

really wish there weren't 4 shitter trinkets in spire so I could roll legs without worry

[random mason]

Roll pit

[swift tinsel]

already have pit legs

[random mason]

Get them again on myth track

[sullen hare]

It's not like crit mastery pants are made of poison or something

[split garden]

should I ignore top gear sims if they r telling me to run way more or way less than 800 haste and just prio the 800ish

[random mason]

If you play trickster without guidon then yes

[split garden]

yea I have puzzle box

no guidon

[swift tinsel]

I have them on myth track

[frank wolf]

maybe the realest shit ive ever read on discord twin

[swift tinsel]

and can get them again bc bug

[frank wolf]

perhaps the least relatable thing ive ever read on discord

[random mason]

Why do u need extra pants

[split garden]

lmao this is just a for fun m+ alt for me so we BRed puzzle box today

[frank wolf]

bro let me relate to you damn this is my not for fun main

[quaint lodge]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[dusky yacht]

Gz Prophet!!

[tribal blade]

ty!

[analog hearth]

Is this reflected in the sims. Because the sims largely go back to back from what I can tell

[acoustic drift]

man this new opener is dogshit. losing Premeditation sucks lol

[exotic steeple]

just play prem

drop ephermal bond

[left ledge]

sims play with 0 delay and basically 0 error

so they're able to perfectly squeeze in gcds to the 0.000th second

not possible for real human

thats also why sims tend to favor slightly lower haste

[jade oasis]

just backstab luh bru

[left ledge]

also the sims do have some gcds between dances

~2 gcds

here's another example

[drifting ether]

Looks like the dream rift belt from last week won’t be a waste after all
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s4FnEzHu44KMfm33UQVYPH

[cyan saddle]

for mythic saladbar are we just focusing the boss most of the time and let others deal with orbs?

[left ledge]

yeah pretty much

you can send dance sectec and bps into the later sets of many orbs

but its kinda pad tbh

just swap to ball when it needs to die

otherwise dont think about it too much

[cyan saddle]

ok do i have enough time if i blow SB on pull for it to be up for first damage amp?

[median sigil]

so are we still running our weapon embellishment or has that changed?

[drifting ether]

The little orbs need to die so your tank can group up the orbs spawn better, nit really that pad imo

[drifting ether]

Ye It’ll be up for 10s or so before each amp

[teal coral]

how do you do fellow subs

[strange chasm]

b p ?

Actually i guess it filters out void drops

[teal coral]

ethical

[swift tinsel]

huehuehue

strike do be strikin

[lilac stag]

14 second Sectech 1190 haste build?

[swift tinsel]

I think with this dagger recraft and r2 flask I might be able to hit 38-39% crit

[teal coral]

no

[dusky yacht]

wtf lmao

[swift tinsel]

Occlusion would go omega hard for me rn

[teal coral]

yeah welcome to alleria

[dusky yacht]

That's crazy

[lilac stag]

fyi it’s an outlaw tier

[teal coral]

the p1 mini bosses have insano damage amps

[west tide]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[rain swift]

is there an addon to be able to highlight or track the shadow tech stacks easier? i always have an issue finding what im looking for when i glance at my buffs

[random mason]

You can track the buff in your cooldown manager

[rain swift]

ah i dont use cdm but i might have to now

[random mason]

You can just use it for that buff

And nothing else

[rain swift]

yeah does it work for tracking in outlaw for the dice rolls too then i assume?

[random mason]

Yep

[rain swift]

sweet, will have to try that out in the morning

[autumn garnet]

How much of a dps loss is it to just macro guidon to shadow blades?

[dusky yacht]

Are these just the logs bugging out?

So weird

[cyan saddle]

so can we not cloak the beams on saladbar?

i cloaked and got one shot

[dim pier]

Currently rockin ga 6/6 myth puzzlebox and 6/6 void-reapers libram, sims say no but both of these trinket choices seem solid. side note 3/6 hero braces so the 1/6 myth are an upgrade but idk what to choose xD any input?

[quaint lodge]

one day

[short radish]

1 off.

[quaint lodge]

nope its giga cringe

[short radish]

bl bucko

no r1 parse for you

[quaint lodge]

i was close today

i hit a rank ?? mmm

7?

i think

[short radish]

would have been 1 if you had 1 more haste

[quaint lodge]

fr...

this is why i didnt get it...

[empty cargo]

I'd like to know as well. still probably refuse to remove the macro unless it's detrimental which i doubt it would be

[livid frigate]

I watched a video and he said you need 800 haste so with guidon you would get the 800

[quaint lodge]

enough that we don't recommend it

But if u want a more serious answer

[livid frigate]

Also I don’t have guidon is it worth gettting or just keep gaze and puzzle box

[quaint lodge]

The talent that u want it to work for doesn't function the way it should if you DO macro it

so at that point just play pbox

[cyan saddle]

well i got my mythic saladbar kill, but i died to the beam so i parsed a 4 🥹

[livid frigate]

Oh okay no worries thank you my pbox is mythic anyways still need to get a better gaze as it’s only champion

[cyan saddle]

it doesnt make sense that I cant cloak it

[quaint lodge]

dw every single rogue has found this out the hard way

for whatever reason, neither does hunter turtle

its cringe

@short radish can we join forces to beat the chinese parse farmers on logs

[autumn garnet]

What talent is that?

[empty cargo]

holding my breath

[rain swift]

happy i didnt have to find out the hard way reading this

[short radish]

need to pay a raid to hold damage just enough

[quaint lodge]

my dh said that today we isnt going to parse

into this

yea man

i believe u

[autumn garnet]

Thank you

[short radish]

jeffbezosdh

[quaint lodge]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[quaint lodge]

Its not this one

Wheres the deepening shadows pin

[short radish]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[short radish]

probably in the faq

[median sigil]

has our embelishments changed? im using darkmoon hunt and arcanoweave lining. are we doubling up on the arcanoweave now or staying with hunt/arcanoweave

[peak ice]

I feel like my dps has gone down since the 12.05

[quaint lodge]

hmmm idk good question actually

fimbul answer him.

[short radish]

but really

hunt strong

arcanoweave not as strong

i ran a sim for each buff proc and it still beat arcanoweave

[median sigil]

thank you ❤️ i appreciate it

[short radish]

but that was before 12.0.5

[quaint lodge]

fimbul solve my vault for me

i didnt get the neck in raid

do i
A: get neck (hero to myth)
B: bonus roll for fun

[short radish]

neck

what else do youned to bonus roll

[peak ice]

neck to myth?

[short radish]

other than pbox

[quaint lodge]

pbox

but also like

wat if i wanna gamble?

no?

[short radish]

could run AA x2

then take the bonus roll if you dont get

[quaint lodge]

this was my first run lmao

[livid frigate]

Is there much of a gear swap between raid and mythic +

[short radish]

ye i think i got that

then the ring

[quaint lodge]

the other problem is that i already hacve the ring

[short radish]

steaks too juicy eh?

[ember hull]

Wait sub is so doomed on mythic vanguard

Do I just go assassination

[quaint lodge]

no my gear is actually insane lmao

[ember hull]

Im our raid leader I might just 21st man that cause that is crazy low

[rain swift]

yeah its sad

[short radish]

raid wants more crit, m+ wants more mastery. greater scheme of things it doesnt matter

[ember hull]

If im reading it right the absolute worst frost mage and aug does better than the best sub rogue

[short radish]

probably

[peak ice]

frost is so brain off im not surprised

[short radish]

but damage isnt a problem there (though maybe it is for guilds just getting there)

[livid frigate]

Okay no worries cause I do more m+ an really only doing heroic raids but I think I still do decently well

[quaint lodge]

Yea I mean just keep ur gear optimized in dslice and then

w/e raid since ur doing it casually

as long as u hit the haste the crit and mast doesnt matter much

[peak ice]

how much haste?

[quaint lodge]

699 lmaooo

[signal gulch]

Anyone else had problem with shadowdance buff disappearing from the cdm for a few seconds? The buff is still active bug both bar and icon buff timer disapper randomly durring combat.

[peak ice]

I got like 705, and i feel like thats slightly too low, might be a ping issue

[quaint lodge]

go for 730

[peak ice]

yeaaa

[quaint lodge]

realistically the difference between 705 699 and 730 isnt much in ur other stats