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ye ill just be yoinking all of zac's stuff and reworking it as i did pre midnight
i did mine with MSUF it is kinda banger
i mean its either that or having awesome UI that just randomly doesnt work sometimes
that and setting up addons stresses me out lol
i spent 2 days setting up Enhanced QoL for both of my chars just to uninstall it till the end of the week
All fun and games until reset
And everything breaks

yea like change talent spec and some buffs dont show up until i reload ui and stuff like that
when i joined the discord for that addon u see all the bugs reported, just lost the will to use it

i guess like season or two before it all gets solved
unless blizz starts removing shit again which is not impossible
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0cjTWA5J9X0 @short radish holy shit this is amazing
I ran into a curious man who claims to be the most boring person I’ve ever met
aussie accent makes everything great
holy shit we got "just waiting for a mate" the sequel
At least he's real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wqzZOFOcYo
just waiting for a mate episode 1
That popped up in my feed the other day and brought back so many good memories xD
Definitive.. Can you define that??
yeeehhh yehhhh nahhhh yehhh
Just waiting for a mate
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
If I use Potent Powder, does BP deals more damage than Evis on 2 targets?
yes
Nice
What add-ons?
if you want a easy all in one you might check out ellesmeres tbh, it has some of the best performance and uses the base ui, you need no extra addons honestly besides the normal ones like details or litte/bigwigs and etc.
the big thing is how i do my UI is very very different to everyone else
and a lot of these UI addons it doesn't seem like i can do it the way i want
but granted i've barely tried many of them
his setup is pretty close to elvui with how adjustable your able to move everything, literally everything on my screen i can move wherever i want or just straight disable it. Give it a shot its super easy to setup and will literally make every ui addon you have not needed anymore
i no shit went from having elvui and like 9 additional addons to just this 1
A lot of people love it, but I've also heard people who hate it
my frames went from about 5-10 on every raid boss to having at least 40-60 no problem now
that going to be just like everything else
look at elvui for instance
so many people swear by it but at the same time so many people hate it
It's more an issue that default elvui settings are just bad for performance and you gotta tweak them a lot
Also for 99.9% of people blizzards profiler is completely Garbo since it can't track libraries which some add-ons use.
So for instances Unitframes add-ons use oUF framework (library) but the profiler shows then 0 CPU usage which is obviously wrong
So best way to test as an enduser is to track fps and frame time with different add-ons in the same scenario
yeah your right, i just know from my personal experience that its been a huge fps gain full swapping over to ellesmeres addon over elvui + the 9 other addons i had. i think i have less then 10 addons in total now because of him, its been a significant difference now on my pc and game experience when playing now.
Which addon are you running Mapko?
cool! sounds interesting, i'll give it a shot
i use two very lightweight addons, midnight simple unit frames and matts action bar fonts. then i use blizzards cd manager + a couple action bars for the rest.
and ive set it up in a way that if either of those become unsupported the regular UI fits right in
Hi quick queation i saw the bis gear list is different on wowhead compared to the one on icyveins or method. Which is the "correct" one?
All of them, or neither
probably none
Oh, was just looking for some good rings, because sims can push you in a wrong direction a bit depening on the rings/neck you currently have
keep in mind everything is set in mythic max gear, go with what sims best for you and keep in mind the breakpoints
those lists give u like overall impression but sims will be always the best answer
the nexus point rings will give you a free dmg proc and help with haste, if u are looking to reach the 700(with guidon) or 800 (without guidon) haste breakpoint
We do cosmos mythic on wednesday. Have people here some tipps for me for play the fight better?
dont die
I try
p1 care with the puddles in smoke bomb xdd
I do have the nexus point ones. Was mainly using droptemizer to look where to use my bonus rolls. But it changing 1 ring changes the results a lot :
there is a wide range of item combinations which sim very similar, i use the best simming combination of gear for single target i know of on the wowhead list, but you can change multiple pieces with low diffrence in output.
More mastery would also optimize for multi target fights, which is something that can be done.
The diffrence in general is low, and the best way to gear is to invest in mastery/crit once you hit the haste breakpoints. (can use simulations to support your decisions)
You can add the rings into topgear and it will be easier to parse the info
Oki thanks for all the replies. I think topgear might be the way to go and add some combinations manualy
Is Potent Powder this inconsequential?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1CKxSKp7GoxPNF71EqKU6E
If you dont have that much mastery yeah its less impactful
With flask (in aoe stuff) I have around 800 which I thought would be way more than enough to justify PP
I guess it's not
so with crit being better for us now due to cloud cover, are we swapping our puzzlebox for guidon in m+ now and just running a bit more mastery then normal or are my sims just drunk and lying to me
guidon was usually better than puzzlebox most of the time
unless you did crazy pulls around puzzle
yeah its just wild to see my myth puzzlebox sim way under my hero guidon right now, it also sucks that i for the life of me cannot get a gaze to drop at all and have been stuck with a plume for the past 2 weeks
Plume is completely fine
yeah its not a terrible trinket, Gaze is just a huge upgrade over it
gm chat how we coping today?
I was actually surprised to see how little difference gaze over plume made
It isnt though?
Been stuck w champ guidon + plume for weeks, yesterday I simmed out of curiosity to see how big the difference between 263 Gaze vs Plume was & Gaze is deadass a ~450 dps increase
Plume is like 0.3% worse on st, with a bigger burst as its always up on pull
Wouldnt the „best“ sim just include some items that get you to exactly 684 haste with crit/mastery everywhere else
Plume is almost equal to gaze
Gaze sims like 0.2% better for me
1.6% and 4.3% difference for me
that to me is a pretty significant upgrade
You're comparing hero to myth, it's 0.8% on hero to hero
!ui
Essential:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
Bro prolly comparing 263 vs 289 😭 
Bro youre simming gaze+plume compared to gaze + guidon
LMFAOOOO
Ah yeah also that I didn't even notice, gotta select all of them in trink 1 and 2
your right hero to hero its .8 but ive also killed m chim so there is a chance i have a myth gaze sitting in my vault right now so why wouldnt i sim it at myth track?
You can do that, but what you can't do is draw a conclusion from that and say "Gaze is way better than plume!!"
im confused because when you sim current gear and then select all 3 trinkets it sims them all at the same time and picks the best options
If you truly want to sim trinkets the best way, literally always sim trinkets the same exact ilv as your own
even hero to hero its a small increase, im not saying plume is bad by any means im just saying having a gaze sure would be nice no matter the ilvl
If you truly want to see the actual real difference in trinkets not the ilv
is there like a way to make the smokeshit not visible? it's cool don't get me wrong, but maybe only the first second and it becomes abit annoying after 1 sec when you're doing keys it's kinda hard to see puddles or stuff xd
I’m not disagreeing at all, I would also love a Gaze
I’ve seen 2 drop & watching all our lowest dps pull them in vault
However Plume is very slightly worse
It’s a great alternative if you just can’t get Gaze
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wepmdvs396r9LrKHWfHMjg
Here's my sim, with pretty optimised gear if I do say so myself 😎
About a 0.4% diff between Gaze and Plume
same here, i also sadly got fucked out of mine because a new guy in the guild didnt have rcloot council turned on and he won the base roll because everyone else had auto pass on so he equipped it and screwed me out of the trinket.
Damn, That’s rough af 
Good way to get yourself loot banned or kicked hehexd
it was on my birthday and we did that as the first boss of the raid night, i almost just logged off and went to bed
I’ve watched our lowest dps pull from vault
& the 2 that dropped, idr who got the 1st ; 2nd our RL rolled a 100 on, never equipped, & I’m almost positive just straight up traded to his s/o (RDruid) or homeboy (Arms Warr)
he was swiftly booted about 5 minutes after he did it
If you change it to crit youll see that the difference is a lot smaller in ST
Ah also that
Crit > Mastery Plume
Radiant >
Off topic and asking for a friend: does the no beer in the early afternoon rule also apply to 0.2% beer?
It doesn’t apply as long as it doesn’t take longer than 0.2% of your afternoon 
Unironically not even sure what to bonus roll, either I just save them for our Belo kill or maybe send 2-3 into Xenas for ring set
Only reason i had it in mastery is because of blood mallet, on there it shows the crit side to be way down compared to the mastery side. Ive also simmed it and the sims say to stay mastery
granted this could be not updated and out of date
no?
It's fine we need Plume anyway for when we all switch to outlaw in farm because sub will have no chance at logging because all the pad targets will get nuked instantly
Nah radiant is mastery
Wait nvm I’m trippin
It’s too early
Yeah but on farm that shit will be gone instantly and playing for that pad is stinky and guns go pew pew win win we playing LAW BOIS
Sub being better at every fight but vanguard
Nope never going Outlaw
Outlaw will forever be the meme of „look how they buffed it! Outlaw sims quintillion dps!!!“ only to be worthless for 90% raid encounters
It could be 10% better
Yeah, right now, but on farm it'll be juicy

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wdRyag9WZdCQ3oy1cWsAyt
Okay look like it's still pit
Me with my early morning ramblings:
Armpit
Sub logs are literally a matter of „did the boss die right after your sb window or did it die when sb just came up“ and that determines if you get a 95 or a 99
But yeah gaze does sim better, just very slightly compared to plume. Obviously a mythic gaze is gonna be quite a bit better than a heroic plume because of ilvl
Is that actually somewhat how it works? 😭
Most of your dmg is in sb
Ye so I assume that has some truth to it then, ya?
yeah timers make quite the difference
So its quite the difference between ending the fight at your peak
Compared to your lowest
Best scenario is finishing the last gcd in sb dance and boss dies
I mean, that is not a new complaint tho
Would it be worth holding cd’s for that specifically or no
Just how bursty classes work
Thats every burst class
Except for the fights this tier which are "did you get a double sectec hit on the grouped adds"
that's how i got a 100 on dragons
Did your guild let you pad on the adds?
we killed the boss literally the gcd my blades ended
Or is everyone add sniping like there's no tomorrow
LOL half my raid team doesn't do dmg
we have gray parsing hunters
I got a 99, like 5 of our raiders were dead, I neaaaarly got another full blades
When we first started hero my RL compared my parse w another sub & told me to start blasting & padding the orbs every time 
I get lucky there
same
i've done the sectec orbs thing
why wouldnt they let you, we legit erase them
good logs = padding
Does anyone have the „time to learn sub“ picture? (Or was it „its sub season baby“?)
it's gonna be an outlaw season in keys
this is the season
unless they nuke outlaw
Always has been
I only storm + bp orbs & send everything on bosses
Idk if that’s ideal or not
you hold dances for orbs
I think I have an 89 or something
but just send sectec the instant they spawn
Just hold sectec for every orb set it lines up
on the bosses
Word
it's super easy - just super boring (in keys) - go outlaw if you wonna have fun
Same with Averzian
Do your opener and then check what time add is up with his homies
And have sectec ready for it
It's all so snoozer I had pad specs
Eh orange/pink number fun
„This guy is so good at padding“ „he must get all the bitches“
Where in Europe are there bottom quotes from btw?
It's ganking me hard
i was just about to ask the same q
ofcourse we're good at hitting multiple things ^^ Bitches included
Ah you meant the „“? Didnt quite understand at first
Germany
Thanks TIL
Didnt even know its different elsewhere ngl
Fun is subjective 
I'm ngl, I can't even type the curved quotations on my keyboard "just this"
On my phone i can only do „this“
In germany they both have somewhat different meanings
Nvm holding it gives me the option ""
true, but spamming powder end storm gets pretty boring
but maybe that's just me ^^
Having a flat ass damage profile and spaming buttons can also get boring quick 
i mean i like spamming buttons, but maybe that's just my adhd talking
There are quite some that do
Tho tbf maining rogue aside, there are more fun specs to spam buttons
There are people having fun with the 1 button rotation
Ye that one is insane
Smh how dare they
Its like
Having fun in a game
Fully laid back gaming and just chilling
you can say it like this, people are also having fun by not playing the game xd
Does anyone have an unhalted unit frame profile they can share please
just find something you like
Somewhere theres a rogue using 1br unironically thinking they’re great

that's one i don't understand
i could never have fun playing a game using a 1 button rotation
that goes against everything i find fun about wow
i mean, the list could go on
i dont understand boosting e.g.
like if someone is holding a gun to ur head and orders u to get CE then sure
Boosting is just easy gold
no i mean not selling boost, i mean buying boost
Easy gear
well yea but thats just not playing the game
the whole sense of the achievement is lost which is 90% of the game imho
I mean
Those boosts tend to be somewhat expensive
They have to play the game in some way to have that money (or just use their mums credit card)
id say its 9/10 just token sellin
Imo boosting is moreso about “I want this super rare/prestigious mount & I don’t want to wait a minimum of 3-4yrs before I can reliably have a literally 1% chance of farming it” & less the actual progress
Looking at current prices it would be 3-4 token for a full hc vip run
Id like to believe they arent paying 80 bucks for a boost
M Chim prices are insane rn
A friend was talking abt it the other day
i know that but the idea of having that mount is to be a token of ur victory which will remind u even 10 years after o how good u played that one time and how lucky u were so other ppl can be like envious or w/e
just plain buying it kinda trumps all that
But it’s not tho if any random shitter can farm it later at a 1% drop
it becomes just one of the 25000 mounts u have
0 prestige
It does eventually anyways lol
Some just like to collect
yeah CE mounts should only be available to farm later for people who got CE
When you see random shitters in town on then 3yrs later after you “conquered the raid & beat most players”
Yep
i really enjoy there being items in the game you can't get anymore
I cba to play this game like a 2nd job anymore
makes it really cool
But I love my mounts/xmogs
I don’t even wanna get to 3.4k but I didn’t do m+ on SL so I have no choice
I’m still so pissed tf off they didn’t re-add war wolf (i own this) but they brought back the violet spellwing (only aotc mount I’m missing) & it makes me irate
Like
WHY
goes against your own design philosophy
I did not go back for the spellwing
Fuck lemix
I was one of the ppl who actually stood 10 toes down & did not play lemix bc no mage tower

I missed legion remix because i had bad internet and was at a point of „whats the point anyway“
Now im biting myself in the ass because it looked so cool in hindsight
No mage tower pmo
(My internet was fixed at the time)
i played vanilla anniversary instead
Remix isnt there to be hard
Ive ran solo mythic siege in mop remix
All I wanted was Ghostblade & they couldn’t do it
you had to actually prog them
Fuck em
And 2 weeks later you could solo everything
nah took longer than that
They took so many stats away from my cloak
iirc
AS SOON AS I GOT TO THE FROGS TOO 
Ive trolled and didnt use bronze on item upgrades
i'm only 3500

i'm a CASUAL
You are getting into groups?
i just do keys with guildies
What an I at 2995? 
learning/relaxed
I saw the inv channel & I was like hol up a min ik that name 😂
LOL true
what prophet would be if he actually didn’t give a shit
The best crossover episode fr
for a competition they're having
Wait who’s your gm
we did 14 nexus and 15 skyreach
Ah I must not know them, gotcha
That’s Deli’s team ya?
i heard ur gm is unbearable
I think
yeah he called me in to help haha
LOL
Word, thought it was awesome 🔥
it was fun!
i actually had to kinda shot call the 15 skyreach
to make sure we timed it
even did a cheeky tricks shuriken toss to help him pull at the end
what were the shots, like dont get yeeted
release urself from the bird
we would not have timed it
If the vc’s weren’t locked I totally woulda popped in to spectate
same in pos, u get picked by gargoyle, sounds like u problem
it was funny, everyone except me and my GM died on 1st boss
8sec kidney says hello
so we had to finish it off
dps loss
cheap and kidney do dmg now
just ask ur brew (which is present in 90% of groups) to tigerlust 
had healers and casters standing max range complaining we dont save them from garg in pos
like
True & real
i aint runnin to narnia
Fr, if I can’t reach it w my mouseover macro.
Sounds like a them issue
can rogues even self remove it? i suppose vanish should but i remember trying and not working
i was never good with MO macroes
even while i had a WA with circle around cursor
still most of the time have no clue where my cursor is
I unironically miss a lot of shit but almost every ability I have macroed as mouseover
All rainbows and sunshine till the warrior queues his stun first
[@mousever,harm/help,nodead][] my beloved
i made macroes on my dk for DnD and AMZ to be @ player cause cant be bothered aiming the circle
I think mine is somewhat similar
i had to remove MO from my kick, sometimes my cursor would wander around and kick a different target than what i had planned to
only using target and focus rn
I also finally got the mouseover evisc macro to work where the tooltip updates to coup when procced
Although it does show a ❓ for 1sec at times
Works great tho
i used to try having MO Frost strike while i was frostbane dk but that didnt work so well
Was goated to have
In tandem with plater icon glow for 5 stack razorice
yea, used that
I made mouseover shadowstep+kick in castsequence, quite spam protected button.:)
I swapped from war to rogue to prog mythic instead since war wasnt good and the wowhead chart crushed me xD
and then /targetlasttarget to shadowstep back for some style points
can you do this all in one macro
Clearly you didn’t check here first. I would have warned you.
Nah im having more fun as rogue anyways its fine
as a cast sequence most likely but i wouldn’t recommend it
Does anyone else turn their camera 180 degree before using shadowstep as a catch up movement tool
shadowstep = behind the target
puts you in front?
yeah
its very noticeable when everyone sprints ahead to run out of the aoe, u might ss back into the aoe if you don’t turn 
or am i tripping
i have to try this, in my mind turning myself 180- doesnt change where the target is facing
xD
yeah
????
no matter where you face
that has no impact on where the target is facing
unless its targetting you and you run away or something
bless - normal maintenance downtime no 5 hours today
i might have pavlod myself but i thought it does, i’ll need to test it later
nightmare prey
tier 5 ritual
or t8 delve
1 of each?
gives 4/6 hero
Mythic lura
delve only 262
tier 5 ritual sites give the highest ilvl for solo players
unless u dont care about hero crests
nah this is like my alts alt im working on
box too gud T_Thttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d5DcKaQmyPxLW7ceJyVwCy
id still say ritual sites if u can bother to unlock it, the one in silvermoon was quick. stealth and skip all mobs > head straight to the minibosses
its for my lock, gonna knock out some nightmares
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
Dear blizzard, give me BiS loot in the vault today 
nbd if not get rerolls 😉
A. Why are we using gear compare
B. Whats with heart of wind, when you can just use crucible instead which is better
C. box better. 
D. 
isnt gear compare the right one? what is the best approach then?
cool, i never even noticed that gear compare was an option
guys is it bad if in the SB opener you move out of the cloud during raids?
some times we put BL and tanks start pulling sometimes
ideally you want the full 20 sec
ehh gotcha
kinda weird that everyone starts blasting on the bl and I have to wait for him to finish positioning
you just want to extend the buff to the full 20 sec duration
it refreshes on its own even if you aren't in the cloud
so it just gives you full duration
ohhh 👍
Wait what
no, depends on what u need/want
can check it out, press blades then run out of cloud and watch your buff refresh itself when it should run out
It does that all the time now regardless of wether or not youre in the cloud 
the visual should be there, but just for 1-2 scs max
can just be a one-time smoke cloud flourish if they're set on it
or make us into smoke
bro I would trade having to see the cloud if it actually made me immune to attacks within it
pressing it during p2 of lura
huehue
hiding the directional lines from the dudes in npx is fun too
the ones that send out the ghosts
wait you dont have to be in the cloud anymore for full duration?
Or well, mostly
at all
you guys know if you have to be in a m+ that drops hero track gear to get myth track from rolling in an m+?
+10 afaik
yea +10
Huh that's nice
is when it give myth from bonus
u always get a vault item with rolls
^
Don't have to care about moving out of it in p3 l'ura then
so since +10 is minimum for mythic vault
aight good
oh is that how it works
that's good to know
ye thats why for raid bosses u get the exact same item
you get 279 drops when rolling from raid bosses?
I haven't rolled on any of my chars yet
if boss drops that item i guess
It should be whatever the natty boss drop is
Not entirely sure but i dont thin that if you kill lura and then go bonus roll first boss you will get a 4/6 guidon
Could be wrong though
why would u get guidon from lura
Thats not at all what i said
Lura ups vault ilvl
what it does?
Vault ilvl is the highest ilvl possible out of all the bosses youve killed that week
So if you kill alleria, all loot from 1-5 bosses which are usually 272/276/279 are now 282 in your vault
oh i didnt know it changes all the items in vault
its been like that for a while
How important is our haste breakpoint for m+ ?
still important, especially for bosses
you can still get plenty of mastery while hitting breakpoint
yeah i think they changed it after sylv or something yeah?
I remember there were some kinda shenanigans you could do to guarantee the best chance of that dagger in vault if you hadn't historically full cleared
Unlocking higher ilvl in vault = per week
Unlocking items in the vault = Across the season
It was active during s3 of tww
yea i remember because getting to nexus king was super big
The amount of crest saving was a pretty big bonus
do we know if crest cap will be lifted this season s well?
eventually
Every week, no ?
Sorry I'm new to the game bro 😢
lies
I swear
Lifted does not mean increased. Lifted as in removed.
Ohh because they do that 
Only played in tbc man
Wow the height of that car really increased

i just realised its been 18 years since i mde my first rogue, give or take a day or 2
now when u mentioned tbc
repeat that to a blizz dev now
that to a blizz dev now
Holy ive mained rogue since like legion, and decided just to try out devourer for this season (got lucky its very op). However my point is that the demon hunter discord is the worst shit ive experienced
(see, i can be funny as well)
my dps went up 8k with the tips bro thanks
glad i could help
yes now i need to improve on that
a friend told me to search for shindog as well i will do that when i have time
my guess is in 12.0.7
I heard shinbozo's pretty good
got no clue who this is maybe weekend i will do some research
He's a guy who has been posting yt vids and streaming his journey to eventually joining liquid or something like that, I've watched a few vids of his, pretty decent content
liquid now only has Exile, right?
now lets see since we got 5 mins on the break more ill give a quick check
there's a few more people in the guild than just him
would be hard to compete in RWF as one person
!aa
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
anyone use sap on windrunner spire where theres a caster that interrupts in the beginning of the dungeon ??!
he's not in liquid
wtf
he raids with guy's guild
Exile and KSP plays rogues
Thanks for helping the search king always so helpful
Yeah idk if max was trolling but he said “shindig killed people with a mechanic in the last phase so he has a long ways to go still”
I probbly missed Ksp, i barelly got to see exile as well 😄
Would note that Exile misses James because he was also a rogue main and he no longer has another rogue main to discuss things with at RWF level kinda
never bothered progressing crucible its still at lowest. no idea how top gear actually works never used it before, any guides?
I miss James too
his video is deathknight are we so bad?
he rerolled mid tier to it
their raid has a rogue already
cuz they needed a dk
He had to play DK for Lura, but that's only one he played DK I think
His other vids are rogue tho
I need a third main as well
u gotta google the meaning of main 😄
I just have rogues
No one in my guild wants to play rogue, so I just play all the rogues
i was in dk prison as well but for our alt raid
I got a 282 warrior with no use for it
would raid as rogue for all bosses but crown
if i want to just pad meters i wonder what class would be good
dev dh
JPC my goat

i will be too late to the party when i hit full heroic gear they nerf it T_T
I wanna sound like a bond girl too so I'mma just say I miss James without knowing who that is
I learned an absolutey ton from watching him push keys
does dev dh use same gear as vengeance?
Ohh so vanguard better than crown??
Then hurry up and roll it bro
Please

dont think so, arent they with intelect or...
havent rly bothered checking
box+gaze still slightly ahead but I guess guidon will be smoother to play
let me check archon
different stat prio
dev is mastery/haste and vdh is crit/haste
I mean mastery is vdh's least-preferred stat but sure ig
all three specs have different prio
bc havoc wants crit/mastery
"what flask do you use now that you achieved 700 haste?
- the cheapest that isn't haste"
I've been stockpiling my r2's for myth night and the cheapo r1's for anything else lol
Versatility 
Is it?
now that I can do r2 vials and pots/flasks without conc I can turbo-boost my collection of consumes
I've been buying mastery lately
The aim is to tank and get gear
i join a dps key and tell him to pass lead then i invite only high ilvl of my type
!sheet
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
not really bothered much about what vengeance dh uses only tanking to gear my void spec
I mean if you're still gearing stats are whatever just take ilvl
was the plan but aint got time for that
What the heck my droptimiser just dropped this on me
That's set legs myth
Higher than crown legs

droptimizer doesn't account for haste breakpoint, unless it was updated
True, it would drop me down like 30 haste
Which would make it so I don't have breakpoint with oils anymore
just does a 1:1 comparison of items in a per-slot basis
!log
Chat, I spoke weapon into existence
W dagger
kinda usable for sub too right ?
sim says crit/vers signet lmfao
pos has very very good slots for sub anyways
even neck is good
if you don't have guidon
700 with guidon, 800 without, 11 or 1200 as deathstalker
im way over haste cap then i think i can lose myth omission of light and go for algethar ring then
THinking either the trink to give me a better shot at bonus rolling the good trink.
But is the H neck worth it? Currently rocking a 1/6 H neck.
Belt is a flat H -> Myth upgrade but i have no shortage of pieces to dump crests into.
Tough one
loot only gets removed from bonus looting it, so picking it from the vault won't increase your chances
we have bonus rolls i'd grab the neck maybe if you have time
got M gudions last week from bonus roll. Then got the 2 refunded too
yeah it's free dps and easy haste tax item
so yeah i guess neck. Chances of me winning in PuG is close to 0
I just simmed that myth guidon it was worse than my myth puzzle box
As Sub this is just blatantly incorrect I'm pretty sure
try simming it with whetstones instead of phonix oil
guarantee guidon is actually better
puzzle box is cuter with low haste from all the 4 weeks i ran one with 650 haste in raid/keys
but if you're at 700 guidon probably gets out ahead
I accidentally rolled myth puzzle box last night trying to roll for psb
Was quite unfortunate
Belo'ren tech possible I guess
But I don't think it's better than guidon unless you got 800 haste then no
Yea I only have like 670ish I think so ima keep my champ guidon
Hopefully a hero one drops eventually

I got 687 with oils I am sweating every day
Maybe after vault + rolls next week I'll have a bit more
Not a tough one at all.
I got like 600 haste
save 20 crests or take the bonus roll. 
I feel like I'm bonus roll pilled unless I see beetle stabber or choker in vault
in the One or Two Specific Pieces phase
Is the guidon good for keys compared to the box?
Haste Mastery back with leech. The leech is tempting.
better
better than box sheesh
now that I'm playing more outlaw I'm even further into crit stacking mentality
and am going all-in lol
Guidon is just massive when you can fit the second sectec in properly
I'm probs never taking myth guidon until very very late vaults
max hc is fine til then
I….my brain doesn’t work with outlaw
its really not too bad
I am sub for life
got PS stacks? shooter
yeah you could* take puzzle box but it's goin in the trash pretty quick
not at 6+? waste cp using ss
Idk, maybe it’s muscle memory but I was dogshit
(that part is annoying but we waste infinite sht over here)
True story.
the pacing is soooo much more engaging than sub in keys
thankfully outlaw is tuned quite well for m+
bro did you see the new patch ? assa is getting insane buffs next patch 
You better be fking kidding
I don’t think I have really even touched assassination this expansion
nah im testing him
I was about to lose my shit
But, my daggers are for stabbing. Shadowstrike >

I have a myth track one alreasdy
Same fr, I love tertiary
If only there was a thing to add tert to pieces like we can add sockets
I’d be all for that ^
yeah even with myth gaze my sim preferred puzzle box until i hit 700
I’d be the speediest mf around town
lol
this change with cloud cover makes guidon a lot stronger i think is how it maths out even in keys
so i might have to find that 700 haste
its not even a big difference but yeah
yo gang, is there any secret tricks to vaulting in a different spec?
Check it Bosses killed and the loot u don’t want either switch
ye they did kinda collapse the difference between first and second best this season
before with netherprism/antenna was just y'know
the slappening
and behind that was seaforium/ritual forge or something afair
ngl this gave me an aneurysm
prism 
come baaaaack
Xd it’s selfexplained
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
All these US vaults are giving me EU vault anxiety every time
Lmao

I still gotta wait ages you bastards
how often can we boost ilvl of wep/trinkets? 1 item every 2 weeks or?
12h
xddddd so true
everytime I see them I get stinky vaults
One guy posts alleria myth neck and I'm staring at it going why are you doubting bro why are you doubting my god

I'm about to RP walk in there
ngl bro like at this point if u dont have both bis trinkets from vault its lowkey a skill issue
I already got myth guidon and gaze
ur a skillful player
I think you should get those shoulders and not catalyst them

have any rogues considered just breaking into the vault?
wednesday off 
anyone good with UI stuff? i would like to track some CDS as bars like this, im using meeres but missing this from muscle ui
I may or may not have tried to use pick lock on it
hi all- i cant find a sim string for this but how strong are the Nexas point ring set WHEN combined not just the raw stats vs what i have
I have the ring set and it's quite strong for me, I also have one of them myth
It sims better than alternatives for me
it's small like 1%
if you have it good but not a great chase if that makes sense
if i have guidon Myhic/gaze wep already, etc i was thinking of rolling it
would be funny if it stunned you and put you outside
I don't think it's a bad place to roll for us at all if you have myth dag etc
I'm just scared shitless of getting myth occlusion from rolls before myth omission
Like actually frightened bro

its free loot you get eventually anyways
do not click this if you are scared || YOU HAVE RECEIVED MYTHIC OCCLUSION ||
I clicked it
you were warned
bless
Occlusion the bigger better cooler smarter handsomer ring anyways
True but I want myth omission now and I did 42 xenas runs for hero omission

Is there any way to hide the visuals of the smoke bomb? This shit makes impossible to avoid some damage from spots in the floor when im in cds
You can hide it with a graphics setting but then you might not see actual mechanics
A trick you can do is drop it elsewhere and then just shadowstep back to boss, cause cloud cover refreshes whether you're in the smoke or not
Pro tip
But they should honestly make it more see through man like it's actually stupid
Or just make it a smoke animation that just disappears or something idk
i like the particle effect it'd make more sense if your rogue started smoking/emitting the particles
drop smoke, pop evasion, cloak, feint and pray
Unironically been cloaking during cloud cover sometimes
Like in MT
better to not die than die 
i simply let cheat death proc
Particle Density LOW
But is that really the play though doesn't it make it so you can't see all mechanics clearly
Vs not seeing any mechanics clearly? 
Well yeah but we're not in cloud cover 24/7
But then I can’t see the pretty spell effects
have to recraft dagger and chase myth aa ring cool
am i reading this right https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v7AEx61PKSHzLnTt4nkKA4
im not gonna chase pit of sauron loot table this week
or do i 
Do we go for salhadaar log with bp Talent or not
Only time you really use BP is small orbs
But I doubt it's optimal to even go for those if you wanna parse
I only get to 70 parse always not sure what I do wrong
trickster everywhere ^^
Haha yeah I'm just copy pasting that from pins
Idk if it's updated
It is
I never switched to DS anyway so personally only looked at cleave or ST
Also @vale pine I would love more wrongly spelled names on boss lists I think it's fantastic

Suggestions: Midnight Fails, Below Ren
haha, human slop writting ^^
is there an option to sim with a certain error margin ?
what do you mean specifically?
@steel zinc sent you a dm bossman
is a 73 with 1,500 parses at least decent?
Top 27%
not bad for like 5 days played ever on rogue lol
I'm getting it on last roll I can tell
im sending my other roll there before i take vault
since npx has most of the slots i dont have myth in
I can only get chest & hands besides omission from there
But still prolly best place for me to send them tbh
I should trinket with Blades, before dance right
i got the chest and the cloak
not puzzle box
so i hope no hands
Which trinket you got
Guidon?
chest omission and mace so far
as long as i dont pull hands its not a brick
emberwing
I guess this would work like guidon, so use trinket before blades, ideally about ~1sec before dance
sorry, I meant like the sim implies that there is no movement/boss mechanics
my fear is pulling pit legs cloak and belt today if vault fails
yeah emberwing is a temu guidon
so i there a way to get a higher error margin to see how the overall dps would vary
yeah unironically its troll for me to take occlusion rn in the offchance
i roll it in bonus
apparently ring bonus scales off highest one of the pair
so you technically only need to upgrade one
so just bind it separately basically
press trinket then blades no delay, wait on gcd for dance
Yeah, because you don't want to macro it with blades, this would cause you to lose blade uptime for no reason
generally speaking at least, when there's other slots with primary to upgrade first
No, it's more like
realistically if you're trying to get anything from m+ you use your 2x rolls then take token
for a third roll
yeah its just a funny stuation now since the other npx item i want is in the vault

Trinket -> ~1sec -> Blades -> Sectec dance. After the 1 sec delay you blades and sectec dance ASAP after
kkkkkkk
but i also have dragons cloak which is the other slot that's still hero
would be nice if the loot list for bonus rolls included what you take from vault
but you can play around that kinda
i think my npx pool is down to boots occlusion gloves and cloak
i got crafted boots so boots only 4 ilvl
legs still being in pit pool bc of bugfix has me fearful
Also important to note why you're actually doing this: it's when you do second dance in blades with 8 sec left on blades, you want to do second sectec ASAP in blades/dance. This is possible with on use haste, which is why guidon is amazing for us.
since I'm really only chasing one item directly from there
dagger for sure, but neck would be nice since I have hc choker atm
that means not delaying the 2nd dance right? thats just hitting it on CD?
I've gotten legs pre-fix, then ring bracers
Depends. Just use second dance with 8 sec left on blades.
so belt cloak legs neck dagger still in pool
Whether you're delaying or not is irrelevant.
and have crafted belt otherwise that wouldn't be a terrible pull
all I want is crit lol
taking whatever mastery I get along the way with respect to meeting 700 haste
I've been able to shift a lot of pieces around so I'm not hugely relying on any one item which is nice
ye
jewelry is nice tho since I have a few pieces that have 100-150+ haste on them
plus what we have natively from tier
!ui
Essential:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
really wish they'd do away with deepening extension leading to breakpoints
so gearing could be much more fluid/intuitive
oh so uh does it matter what key level we run to get voidcores?
or just slam 6s til they appear
delves are usually speedy for the 3x
for the weekly
esp if that's the weekly spark quest
oh..lfr









