#subtlety

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hollow spear
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Or however you spell that

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Maybe I'll yoink zac's ui (again)

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He's a ui doer

warm marlin
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ye ill just be yoinking all of zac's stuff and reworking it as i did pre midnight

tribal blade
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i'm still using mostly base UI

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because i hate myself

alpine wraith
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i did mine with MSUF it is kinda banger

void ocean
tribal blade
void ocean
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i spent 2 days setting up Enhanced QoL for both of my chars just to uninstall it till the end of the week

fossil forge
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And everything breaks

void ocean
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yea like change talent spec and some buffs dont show up until i reload ui and stuff like that

fossil forge
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Im raiding with 4000ui errors

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Cba

void ocean
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when i joined the discord for that addon u see all the bugs reported, just lost the will to use it

fossil forge
void ocean
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i guess like season or two before it all gets solved

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unless blizz starts removing shit again which is not impossible

tribal blade
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aussie accent makes everything great

short radish
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holy shit we got "just waiting for a mate" the sequel

dusky yacht
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At least he's real

short radish
keen path
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That popped up in my feed the other day and brought back so many good memories xD

short radish
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what kinda accent?

one with a kerb

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actual peak humor right there

keen path
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Definitive.. Can you define that??

tribal blade
dusky yacht
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Just waiting for a mate

vital flax
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
uncut juniper
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If I use Potent Powder, does BP deals more damage than Evis on 2 targets?

alpine wraith
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yes

uncut juniper
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Nice

steel zinc
waxen viper
tribal blade
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and a lot of these UI addons it doesn't seem like i can do it the way i want

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but granted i've barely tried many of them

waxen viper
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his setup is pretty close to elvui with how adjustable your able to move everything, literally everything on my screen i can move wherever i want or just straight disable it. Give it a shot its super easy to setup and will literally make every ui addon you have not needed anymore

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i no shit went from having elvui and like 9 additional addons to just this 1

hollow spear
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A lot of people love it, but I've also heard people who hate it

waxen viper
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my frames went from about 5-10 on every raid boss to having at least 40-60 no problem now

waxen viper
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look at elvui for instance

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so many people swear by it but at the same time so many people hate it

steel zinc
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It's more an issue that default elvui settings are just bad for performance and you gotta tweak them a lot

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Also for 99.9% of people blizzards profiler is completely Garbo since it can't track libraries which some add-ons use.

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So for instances Unitframes add-ons use oUF framework (library) but the profiler shows then 0 CPU usage which is obviously wrong

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So best way to test as an enduser is to track fps and frame time with different add-ons in the same scenario

waxen viper
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yeah your right, i just know from my personal experience that its been a huge fps gain full swapping over to ellesmeres addon over elvui + the 9 other addons i had. i think i have less then 10 addons in total now because of him, its been a significant difference now on my pc and game experience when playing now.

hollow spear
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Which addon are you running Mapko?

tribal blade
tidal solstice
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i use two very lightweight addons, midnight simple unit frames and matts action bar fonts. then i use blizzards cd manager + a couple action bars for the rest.

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and ive set it up in a way that if either of those become unsupported the regular UI fits right in

celest mulch
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Hi quick queation i saw the bis gear list is different on wowhead compared to the one on icyveins or method. Which is the "correct" one?

hazy breach
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All of them, or neither

celest mulch
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Oh, was just looking for some good rings, because sims can push you in a wrong direction a bit depening on the rings/neck you currently have

grizzled hornet
void ocean
grizzled hornet
keen steppe
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We do cosmos mythic on wednesday. Have people here some tipps for me for play the fight better?

keen steppe
grizzled hornet
celest mulch
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I do have the nexus point ones. Was mainly using droptemizer to look where to use my bonus rolls. But it changing 1 ring changes the results a lot :

vale pine
# celest mulch Hi quick queation i saw the bis gear list is different on wowhead compared to th...

there is a wide range of item combinations which sim very similar, i use the best simming combination of gear for single target i know of on the wowhead list, but you can change multiple pieces with low diffrence in output.
More mastery would also optimize for multi target fights, which is something that can be done.
The diffrence in general is low, and the best way to gear is to invest in mastery/crit once you hit the haste breakpoints. (can use simulations to support your decisions)

hazy breach
celest mulch
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Oki thanks for all the replies. I think topgear might be the way to go and add some combinations manualy

steep raven
hazy breach
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If you dont have that much mastery yeah its less impactful

steep raven
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With flask (in aoe stuff) I have around 800 which I thought would be way more than enough to justify PP

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I guess it's not

waxen viper
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so with crit being better for us now due to cloud cover, are we swapping our puzzlebox for guidon in m+ now and just running a bit more mastery then normal or are my sims just drunk and lying to me

alpine wraith
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guidon was usually better than puzzlebox most of the time

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unless you did crazy pulls around puzzle

waxen viper
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yeah its just wild to see my myth puzzlebox sim way under my hero guidon right now, it also sucks that i for the life of me cannot get a gaze to drop at all and have been stuck with a plume for the past 2 weeks

hazy breach
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Plume is completely fine

waxen viper
vestal escarp
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gm chat how we coping today?

red flame
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I was actually surprised to see how little difference gaze over plume made

red flame
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Been stuck w champ guidon + plume for weeks, yesterday I simmed out of curiosity to see how big the difference between 263 Gaze vs Plume was & Gaze is deadass a ~450 dps increase

hazy breach
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Plume is like 0.3% worse on st, with a bigger burst as its always up on pull

fiery fog
fiery fog
red flame
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I haven’t looked yet but there’s 0 shot plume to gaze adds 51k dps

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Something is wrong

vale osprey
gusty wharf
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!ui

wicked joltBOT
red flame
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Bro prolly comparing 263 vs 289 😭 garf

fiery fog
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Bro youre simming gaze+plume compared to gaze + guidon

vale osprey
fiery fog
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You just need to sim gaze vs plume in that slot

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Guidon stays in 1

waxen viper
vale osprey
red flame
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Bc it’s not

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Small increase

waxen viper
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im confused because when you sim current gear and then select all 3 trinkets it sims them all at the same time and picks the best options

red flame
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If you truly want to sim trinkets the best way, literally always sim trinkets the same exact ilv as your own

waxen viper
red flame
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If you truly want to see the actual real difference in trinkets not the ilv

chrome quiver
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is there like a way to make the smokeshit not visible? it's cool don't get me wrong, but maybe only the first second and it becomes abit annoying after 1 sec when you're doing keys it's kinda hard to see puddles or stuff xd

red flame
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I’ve seen 2 drop & watching all our lowest dps pull them in vault

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However Plume is very slightly worse

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It’s a great alternative if you just can’t get Gaze

vale osprey
waxen viper
vale osprey
waxen viper
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it was on my birthday and we did that as the first boss of the raid night, i almost just logged off and went to bed

red flame
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I’ve watched our lowest dps pull from vault
& the 2 that dropped, idr who got the 1st ; 2nd our RL rolled a 100 on, never equipped, & I’m almost positive just straight up traded to his s/o (RDruid) or homeboy (Arms Warr)

fiery fog
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I will bonus roll pit ring and neck tomorrow and be geared af

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Surely right

waxen viper
hazy breach
red flame
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Crit > Mastery Plume

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Radiant >

hollow spear
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Off topic and asking for a friend: does the no beer in the early afternoon rule also apply to 0.2% beer?

fiery fog
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Somewhere its not early afternoon

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So just drink it

red flame
vale osprey
hollow spear
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I'll just pretend I am Fimbul

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A true bogan

waxen viper
red flame
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Radiant is Crit

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Umbral is Mastery

waxen viper
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granted this could be not updated and out of date

waxen viper
red flame
vale osprey
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It's fine we need Plume anyway for when we all switch to outlaw in farm because sub will have no chance at logging because all the pad targets will get nuked instantly

vale osprey
fiery fog
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Sub is the pad target nuke master

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Wdym

red flame
waxen viper
red flame
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It’s too early

vale osprey
# fiery fog Wdym

Yeah but on farm that shit will be gone instantly and playing for that pad is stinky and guns go pew pew win win we playing LAW BOIS

fiery fog
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Sub being better at every fight but vanguard

fiery fog
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Outlaw will forever be the meme of „look how they buffed it! Outlaw sims quintillion dps!!!“ only to be worthless for 90% raid encounters

red flame
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It could be 10% better

vale osprey
red flame
red flame
hollow spear
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Armpit

fiery fog
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Sub logs are literally a matter of „did the boss die right after your sb window or did it die when sb just came up“ and that determines if you get a 95 or a 99

hazy breach
hollow spear
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I am getting more invites to weekly keys on outlaw

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Coincidence?

red flame
fiery fog
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Most of your dmg is in sb

red flame
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Ye so I assume that has some truth to it then, ya?

grizzled hornet
fiery fog
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So its quite the difference between ending the fight at your peak
Compared to your lowest

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Best scenario is finishing the last gcd in sb dance and boss dies

hollow spear
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I mean, that is not a new complaint tho

red flame
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Would it be worth holding cd’s for that specifically or no

hollow spear
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Just how bursty classes work

fiery fog
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Thats every burst class

vale osprey
tribal blade
hollow spear
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Did your guild let you pad on the adds?

tribal blade
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we killed the boss literally the gcd my blades ended

hollow spear
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Or is everyone add sniping like there's no tomorrow

tribal blade
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we have gray parsing hunters

vale osprey
red flame
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I get lucky there

red flame
tribal blade
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i've done the sectec orbs thing

grizzled hornet
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why wouldnt they let you, we legit erase them

chrome quiver
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good logs = padding

tribal blade
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it's terrible

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you do 0 boss dmg

red flame
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Guess who got Gaze in their vault

fiery fog
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Does anyone have the „time to learn sub“ picture? (Or was it „its sub season baby“?)kekdog

tribal blade
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it's gonna be an outlaw season in keys

chrome quiver
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this is the season

tribal blade
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unless they nuke outlaw

fiery fog
red flame
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Idk if that’s ideal or not

tribal blade
red flame
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I think I have an 89 or something

tribal blade
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but just send sectec the instant they spawn

vale osprey
tribal blade
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on the bosses

red flame
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Word

chrome quiver
vale osprey
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Same with Averzian

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Do your opener and then check what time add is up with his homies

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And have sectec ready for it

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It's all so snoozer I had pad specs

fiery fog
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Ngl
Who even cares about these pad bosses anymore anywayOMEGAKEKW

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Everyone knows it

vale osprey
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Eh orange/pink number fun

fiery fog
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„This guy is so good at padding“ „he must get all the bitches“garf_sit

vale osprey
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It's ganking me hard

red flame
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I’m tryna get all the bitches too

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I need to be

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The pad master

grizzled hornet
chrome quiver
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ofcourse we're good at hitting multiple things ^^ Bitches included

fiery fog
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From there

fiery fog
fiery fog
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Didnt even know its different elsewhere ngl

vale osprey
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I'm ngl, I can't even type the curved quotations on my keyboard "just this"

fiery fog
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On my phone i can only do „this“

wild vine
fiery fog
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Nvm holding it gives me the option ""

wild vine
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At their core

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Which usually isnt the case in many other countries

chrome quiver
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but maybe that's just me ^^

wild vine
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Having a flat ass damage profile and spaming buttons can also get boring quick garf

chrome quiver
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i mean i like spamming buttons, but maybe that's just my adhd talking

wild vine
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There are quite some that do

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Tho tbf maining rogue aside, there are more fun specs to spam buttons

fiery fog
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There are people having fun with the 1 button rotation

wild vine
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Ye that one is insane

fiery fog
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Smh how dare they

wild vine
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Its like

fiery fog
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Having fun in a game

wild vine
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Fully laid back gaming and just chilling

chrome quiver
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you can say it like this, people are also having fun by not playing the game xd

wild vine
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I personally could never do less damage just for the sake of doing nothing

gusty wharf
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Does anyone have an unhalted unit frame profile they can share please

grizzled hornet
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just find something you like

red flame
tribal blade
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i could never have fun playing a game using a 1 button rotation

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that goes against everything i find fun about wow

void ocean
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i dont understand boosting e.g.

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like if someone is holding a gun to ur head and orders u to get CE then sure

fiery fog
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Boosting is just easy gold

void ocean
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no i mean not selling boost, i mean buying boost

fiery fog
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Easy gear

void ocean
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but for what

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where u gonna use that gear if u got boosted

fiery fog
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Alts
Not wanting to pug and go into the raid for several hours

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Its fast

void ocean
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well yea but thats just not playing the game

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the whole sense of the achievement is lost which is 90% of the game imho

fiery fog
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I mean
Those boosts tend to be somewhat expensive
They have to play the game in some way to have that money (or just use their mums credit card)

void ocean
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id say its 9/10 just token sellin

red flame
fiery fog
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Looking at current prices it would be 3-4 token for a full hc vip run
Id like to believe they arent paying 80 bucks for a boost

red flame
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A friend was talking abt it the other day

void ocean
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just plain buying it kinda trumps all that

red flame
void ocean
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it becomes just one of the 25000 mounts u have

red flame
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0 prestige

red flame
fiery fog
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Some just like to collect

tribal blade
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yeah CE mounts should only be available to farm later for people who got CE

red flame
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When you see random shitters in town on then 3yrs later after you “conquered the raid & beat most players”

red flame
tribal blade
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i really enjoy there being items in the game you can't get anymore

red flame
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I cba to play this game like a 2nd job anymore

tribal blade
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makes it really cool

red flame
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But I love my mounts/xmogs

fiery fog
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I just love gatekept pixels

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Love the fomo

red flame
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I don’t even wanna get to 3.4k but I didn’t do m+ on SL so I have no choice

red flame
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My fav thing actually

fiery fog
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I hate that fomo actually works so good

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Its s disgusting behavior though

tribal blade
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i've finally gotten over M+ fomo

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i can be a casual keyer in peace now

red flame
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I’m still so pissed tf off they didn’t re-add war wolf (i own this) but they brought back the violet spellwing (only aotc mount I’m missing) & it makes me irate

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Like

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WHY

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goes against your own design philosophy

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I did not go back for the spellwing

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Fuck lemix

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I was one of the ppl who actually stood 10 toes down & did not play lemix bc no mage tower

fiery fog
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I missed legion remix because i had bad internet and was at a point of „whats the point anyway“
Now im biting myself in the ass because it looked so cool in hindsight

red flame
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No mage tower pmo

tribal blade
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legion remix kinda blew tbh

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the raids were way too easy

fiery fog
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(My internet was fixed at the time)

void ocean
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i played vanilla anniversary instead

fiery fog
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Remix isnt there to be hard

tribal blade
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nah but mop remix

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the raids were WAY harder

fiery fog
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Ive ran solo mythic siege in mop remix

red flame
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All I wanted was Ghostblade & they couldn’t do it

tribal blade
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you had to actually prog them

red flame
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Fuck em

tribal blade
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so many people were getting stuck on bosses in mop remix

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early on

fiery fog
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And 2 weeks later you could solo everything

tribal blade
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and then people had to min max tinkers

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and actually do strats

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was fun

red flame
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I still remember the frog farming 🙁

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They live hotfixed that shit

tribal blade
fiery fog
tribal blade
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iirc

red flame
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AS SOON AS I GOT TO THE FROGS TOO NOOOvanish

fiery fog
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Ive trolled and didnt use bronze on item upgradesOMEGAKEKW

red flame
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I deadass killed 3 frogs

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Then server lag

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Then boom live hotfixed

tribal blade
red flame
tribal blade
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i'm a CASUAL

fiery fog
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You are getting into groups?

tribal blade
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i just do keys with guildies

lilac stag
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What an I at 2995? garf_sit

tribal blade
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yeah it's funny

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we're seriously casually pushing

red flame
tribal blade
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walked into 18 AA for the first time as sin

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and timed

void ocean
red flame
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I saw the inv channel & I was like hol up a min ik that name 😂

lilac stag
tribal blade
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was helping my GM who was helping his guildies get some keys done

red flame
tribal blade
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for a competition they're having

red flame
tribal blade
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we did 14 nexus and 15 skyreach

fiery fog
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Insider boosting

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Smh

tribal blade
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val

red flame
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That’s Deli’s team ya?

void ocean
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i heard ur gm is unbearable

red flame
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I think

tribal blade
tribal blade
red flame
tribal blade
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i actually had to kinda shot call the 15 skyreach

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to make sure we timed it

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even did a cheeky tricks shuriken toss to help him pull at the end

void ocean
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what were the shots, like dont get yeeted

tribal blade
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haha nah more so pulls

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what to do

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if we pulled how they wanted to pull

void ocean
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release urself from the bird

tribal blade
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we would not have timed it

red flame
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If the vc’s weren’t locked I totally woulda popped in to spectate

void ocean
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same in pos, u get picked by gargoyle, sounds like u problem

tribal blade
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it was funny, everyone except me and my GM died on 1st boss

red flame
tribal blade
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so we had to finish it off

void ocean
red flame
tribal blade
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cheap and kidney do dmg now

red flame
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1 storm & ur back at max cp

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Not rlly a dps loss

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xd

sacred jewel
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just ask ur brew (which is present in 90% of groups) to tigerlust garf

void ocean
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had healers and casters standing max range complaining we dont save them from garg in pos

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like

void ocean
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i aint runnin to narnia

red flame
sacred jewel
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can rogues even self remove it? i suppose vanish should but i remember trying and not working

void ocean
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i was never good with MO macroes

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even while i had a WA with circle around cursor

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still most of the time have no clue where my cursor is

red flame
somber sun
red flame
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Literally almost everything haha

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Skill will eventually prevail

swift tinsel
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[@mousever,harm/help,nodead][] my beloved

void ocean
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i made macroes on my dk for DnD and AMZ to be @ player cause cant be bothered aiming the circle

red flame
sacred jewel
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i had to remove MO from my kick, sometimes my cursor would wander around and kick a different target than what i had planned to

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only using target and focus rn

red flame
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I also finally got the mouseover evisc macro to work where the tooltip updates to coup when procced
Although it does show a ❓ for 1sec at times

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Works great tho

void ocean
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i used to try having MO Frost strike while i was frostbane dk but that didnt work so well

swift tinsel
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In tandem with plater icon glow for 5 stack razorice

void ocean
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yea, used that

uncut monolith
surreal orbit
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I swapped from war to rogue to prog mythic instead since war wasnt good and the wowhead chart crushed me xD

sacred jewel
surreal orbit
lilac stag
surreal orbit
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Nah im having more fun as rogue anyways its fine

sacred jewel
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as a cast sequence most likely but i wouldn’t recommend it

sacred jewel
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Does anyone else turn their camera 180 degree before using shadowstep as a catch up movement tool

surreal orbit
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wym?

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what does that do

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oh duh

sacred jewel
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shadowstep = behind the target

surreal orbit
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puts you in front?

sacred jewel
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yeah

surreal orbit
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gotcha

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swag

sacred jewel
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its very noticeable when everyone sprints ahead to run out of the aoe, u might ss back into the aoe if you don’t turn kekdog

short radish
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wait

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what?

sacred jewel
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or am i tripping

short radish
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am i high?

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it puts you behind the target

surreal orbit
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i have to try this, in my mind turning myself 180- doesnt change where the target is facing

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xD

short radish
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yeah

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????

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no matter where you face

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that has no impact on where the target is facing

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unless its targetting you and you run away or something

surreal orbit
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bless - normal maintenance downtime no 5 hours today

sacred jewel
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i might have pavlod myself but i thought it does, i’ll need to test it later

surreal orbit
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whats the easiest, highest ilvl vault obj I can knock out solo

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delves?

short radish
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nightmare prey

sacred jewel
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tier 5 ritual

short radish
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or t8 delve

surreal orbit
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1 of each?

sacred jewel
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gives 4/6 hero

sacred jewel
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delve only 262

surreal orbit
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just 1 nightmare prey?

sacred jewel
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tier 5 ritual sites give the highest ilvl for solo players

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unless u dont care about hero crests

surreal orbit
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nah this is like my alts alt im working on

empty bobcat
sacred jewel
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id still say ritual sites if u can bother to unlock it, the one in silvermoon was quick. stealth and skip all mobs > head straight to the minibosses

surreal orbit
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its for my lock, gonna knock out some nightmares

golden coral
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
graceful osprey
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Dear blizzard, give me BiS loot in the vault today prayge

hazy breach
lilac stag
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C. box better. peophammer

dusky yacht
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D. Dogue

obsidian crag
hazy breach
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Topgear

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Theres an enormous banner when you press gear compare that explains it

obsidian crag
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cool, i never even noticed that gear compare was an option

somber sun
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guys is it bad if in the SB opener you move out of the cloud during raids?

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some times we put BL and tanks start pulling sometimes

tepid trellis
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ideally you want the full 20 sec

somber sun
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ehh gotcha

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kinda weird that everyone starts blasting on the bl and I have to wait for him to finish positioning

swift tinsel
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you don't have to

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buff is agnostic of being in cloud or not

tepid trellis
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you just want to extend the buff to the full 20 sec duration

swift tinsel
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it refreshes on its own even if you aren't in the cloud

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so it just gives you full duration

somber sun
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ohhh 👍

swift tinsel
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yer

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new surely intended interaction

obsidian crag
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no, depends on what u need/want

swift tinsel
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can check it out, press blades then run out of cloud and watch your buff refresh itself when it should run out

hazy breach
tepid trellis
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just remove the visual already

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being able to see the floor would be nice

obsidian crag
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the visual should be there, but just for 1-2 scs max

swift tinsel
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can just be a one-time smoke cloud flourish if they're set on it

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or make us into smoke

somber sun
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bro I would trade having to see the cloud if it actually made me immune to attacks within it

tepid trellis
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pressing it during p2 of lura

swift tinsel
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huehue

tepid trellis
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and a seed carrier fucks up and spawns soaks

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they are very visible to me yep

swift tinsel
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hiding the directional lines from the dudes in npx is fun too

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the ones that send out the ghosts

tepid trellis
weary tree
#

Or well, mostly

swift tinsel
#

at all

tepid trellis
#

can just walk away now

#

and it auto resets

limpid sage
#

you guys know if you have to be in a m+ that drops hero track gear to get myth track from rolling in an m+?

tepid trellis
#

+10 afaik

swift tinsel
#

yea +10

weary tree
#

Huh that's nice

tepid trellis
#

is when it give myth from bonus

void ocean
#

u always get a vault item with rolls

swift tinsel
#

^

weary tree
#

Don't have to care about moving out of it in p3 l'ura then

void ocean
#

so since +10 is minimum for mythic vault

limpid sage
#

aight good

swift tinsel
#

honestly cloud change huuuuuge QoL

#

really really hoping that stays

limpid sage
#

that's good to know

void ocean
limpid sage
#

I haven't rolled on any of my chars yet

void ocean
lilac stag
void ocean
#

with last season they changed that vault item follow bosses as well

#

iirc

hazy breach
#

Not entirely sure but i dont thin that if you kill lura and then go bonus roll first boss you will get a 4/6 guidon

#

Could be wrong though

void ocean
hazy breach
#

Thats not at all what i said

lilac stag
#

Lura ups vault ilvl

limpid sage
#

what it does?

hazy breach
#

Vault ilvl is the highest ilvl possible out of all the bosses youve killed that week

lilac stag
hazy breach
#

So if you kill alleria, all loot from 1-5 bosses which are usually 272/276/279 are now 282 in your vault

void ocean
#

oh i didnt know it changes all the items in vault

limpid sage
#

that's actually sick

#

didn't know that

tepid trellis
#

its been like that for a while

limpid sage
#

but makes sense why everything was 279 in my top row

#

except last ofc

keen steppe
#

How important is our haste breakpoint for m+ ?

lilac stag
#

still important, especially for bosses

#

you can still get plenty of mastery while hitting breakpoint

astral axle
#

yeah i think they changed it after sylv or something yeah?

#

I remember there were some kinda shenanigans you could do to guarantee the best chance of that dagger in vault if you hadn't historically full cleared

alpine wraith
#

it was because of the eranog+council fiasco

#

where you could game it hard

hazy breach
#

Unlocking higher ilvl in vault = per week
Unlocking items in the vault = Across the season

alpine wraith
#

but the ilvl things is from this expac

#

oh nvm

#

it was last

hazy breach
#

It was active during s3 of tww

alpine wraith
#

yea i remember because getting to nexus king was super big

lilac stag
#

The amount of crest saving was a pretty big bonus

void ocean
#

do we know if crest cap will be lifted this season s well?

alpine wraith
#

eventually

somber sun
somber sun
#

Sorry I'm new to the game bro 😢

void ocean
#

lies

somber sun
#

I swear

lilac stag
somber sun
#

Ohh because they do that HOLY

somber sun
dusky yacht
void ocean
#

i just realised its been 18 years since i mde my first rogue, give or take a day or 2

#

now when u mentioned tbc

somber sun
#

HOLY repeat that to a blizz dev now

void ocean
#

that to a blizz dev now

elder pebble
#

Holy ive mained rogue since like legion, and decided just to try out devourer for this season (got lucky its very op). However my point is that the demon hunter discord is the worst shit ive experienced

void ocean
#

(see, i can be funny as well)

somber sun
#

Idk bro

#

Is it that hard to believe me

grim wasp
void ocean
#

glad i could help

grim wasp
#

yes now i need to improve on that

#

a friend told me to search for shindog as well i will do that when i have time

void ocean
#

haha shindog 😄

#

its Shindig

left shale
dusky yacht
#

I heard shinbozo's pretty good

grim wasp
#

got no clue who this is maybe weekend i will do some research

dusky yacht
#

He's a guy who has been posting yt vids and streaming his journey to eventually joining liquid or something like that, I've watched a few vids of his, pretty decent content

void ocean
#

liquid now only has Exile, right?

grim wasp
swift tinsel
#

there's a few more people in the guild than just him

#

would be hard to compete in RWF as one person

oblique fable
#

!aa

wicked joltBOT
#

Apex talent optimization:

  • Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
    If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
edgy imp
#

anyone use sap on windrunner spire where theres a caster that interrupts in the beginning of the dungeon ??!

grim wasp
#

'I am watching the video

swift tinsel
#

he's not in liquid

dusky yacht
#

wtf

swift tinsel
#

he raids with guy's guild

dusky yacht
#

Just search "shindigwow" on yt

tepid trellis
grim wasp
wintry heart
void ocean
vagrant fossil
empty bobcat
swift tinsel
#

I miss James too

grim wasp
tepid trellis
#

he rerolled mid tier to it

swift tinsel
tepid trellis
#

cuz they needed a dk

vagrant fossil
swift tinsel
#

he's coming for Guy's raid spot I heard

dusky yacht
grim wasp
#

I need a third main as well

void ocean
#

u gotta google the meaning of main 😄

vagrant fossil
#

I just have rogues

#

No one in my guild wants to play rogue, so I just play all the rogues

void ocean
#

i was in dk prison as well but for our alt raid

grim wasp
#

I got a 282 warrior with no use for it

dusky yacht
#

Battleshout

void ocean
#

would raid as rogue for all bosses but crown

grim wasp
#

if i want to just pad meters i wonder what class would be good

void ocean
#

dev dh

#

demo lock

wintry heart
swift tinsel
grim wasp
#

i will be too late to the party when i hit full heroic gear they nerf it T_T

dusky yacht
#

I wanna sound like a bond girl too so I'mma just say I miss James without knowing who that is

swift tinsel
#

I learned an absolutey ton from watching him push keys

grim wasp
#

does dev dh use same gear as vengeance?

somber sun
dusky yacht
#

Please

void ocean
#

havent rly bothered checking

empty bobcat
grim wasp
swift tinsel
#

dev is mastery/haste and vdh is crit/haste

grim wasp
#

thats for my M+ teammates to worry about

#

so both is mastery haste then

swift tinsel
#

I mean mastery is vdh's least-preferred stat but sure ig

#

all three specs have different prio

#

bc havoc wants crit/mastery

strong shoal
#

"what flask do you use now that you achieved 700 haste?

  • the cheapest that isn't haste"
swift tinsel
#

I've been stockpiling my r2's for myth night and the cheapo r1's for anything else lol

strong shoal
#

Is it?

swift tinsel
#

now that I can do r2 vials and pots/flasks without conc I can turbo-boost my collection of consumes

strong shoal
#

I've been buying mastery lately

grim wasp
coral bear
#

!sheet

wicked joltBOT
grim wasp
#

not really bothered much about what vengeance dh uses only tanking to gear my void spec

swift tinsel
#

I mean if you're still gearing stats are whatever just take ilvl

grim wasp
#

i also have a 90dk already

#

not much a dk fan

#

gonna keep it for gathering

somber sun
#

gathering??

grim wasp
#

was the plan but aint got time for that

dusky yacht
#

What the heck my droptimiser just dropped this on me

#

That's set legs myth

#

Higher than crown legs

swift tinsel
#

droptimizer doesn't account for haste breakpoint, unless it was updated

dusky yacht
#

True, it would drop me down like 30 haste

#

Which would make it so I don't have breakpoint with oils anymore

swift tinsel
#

just does a 1:1 comparison of items in a per-slot basis

oblique fable
#

!log

wintry heart
#

Chat, I spoke weapon into existence

somber sun
#

W dagger

swift tinsel
#

my chase

somber sun
#

kinda usable for sub too right ?

swift tinsel
#

its very useable for sub

#

quite good in fact

somber sun
#

go roll in pos then

#

fk skyreach

pure jay
#

sim says crit/vers signet lmfao

swift tinsel
#

pos has very very good slots for sub anyways

somber sun
#

even neck is good

swift tinsel
#

neck, ring, belt, bracers, dagger

#

legs

azure thicket
#

we uh want 800 haste right for keys/raid?

#

or was that just deathstalker

swift tinsel
#

700 with guidon, 800 without, 11 or 1200 as deathstalker

azure thicket
#

im way over haste cap then i think i can lose myth omission of light and go for algethar ring then

hushed roost
#

actulaly convenient

#

had champ before lol

wicked urchin
#

now to shift some haste around

azure thicket
#

waun

#

(i want it)

real belfry
#

THinking either the trink to give me a better shot at bonus rolling the good trink.

But is the H neck worth it? Currently rocking a 1/6 H neck.

Belt is a flat H -> Myth upgrade but i have no shortage of pieces to dump crests into.

Tough one

reef walrus
azure thicket
real belfry
azure thicket
#

yeah it's free dps and easy haste tax item

real belfry
#

so yeah i guess neck. Chances of me winning in PuG is close to 0

somber sun
#

all day

#

I dont even think about rolling

#

its perma over

paper siren
#

I just simmed that myth guidon it was worse than my myth puzzle box

dusky yacht
sly shore
#

guarantee guidon is actually better

azure thicket
#

but if you're at 700 guidon probably gets out ahead

red flame
#

I accidentally rolled myth puzzle box last night trying to roll for psb

#

Was quite unfortunate

dusky yacht
#

Belo'ren tech possible I guess

#

But I don't think it's better than guidon unless you got 800 haste then no

red flame
#

Yea I only have like 670ish I think so ima keep my champ guidon

#

Hopefully a hero one drops eventually

dusky yacht
#

I got 687 with oils I am sweating every day

#

Maybe after vault + rolls next week I'll have a bit more

lilac stag
#

save 20 crests or take the bonus roll. Pepegrin

swift tinsel
#

I feel like I'm bonus roll pilled unless I see beetle stabber or choker in vault

#

in the One or Two Specific Pieces phase

paper siren
#

Is the guidon good for keys compared to the box?

lilac stag
#

Haste Mastery back with leech. The leech is tempting.

swift tinsel
#

I am a big leech enthusiast

#

sounds huge

paper siren
#

better than box sheesh

swift tinsel
#

now that I'm playing more outlaw I'm even further into crit stacking mentality

#

and am going all-in lol

dusky yacht
#

Guidon is just massive when you can fit the second sectec in properly

swift tinsel
#

I'm probs never taking myth guidon until very very late vaults

#

max hc is fine til then

white nova
#

I….my brain doesn’t work with outlaw

swift tinsel
#

its really not too bad

white nova
#

I am sub for life

swift tinsel
#

got PS stacks? shooter

azure thicket
swift tinsel
#

not at 6+? waste cp using ss

white nova
#

Idk, maybe it’s muscle memory but I was dogshit

swift tinsel
#

(that part is annoying but we waste infinite sht over here)

white nova
#

True story.

swift tinsel
#

the pacing is soooo much more engaging than sub in keys

dusky yacht
#

Get the role

swift tinsel
#

thankfully outlaw is tuned quite well for m+

somber sun
white nova
#

I don’t think I have really even touched assassination this expansion

somber sun
#

nah im testing him

dusky yacht
white nova
#

But, my daggers are for stabbing. Shadowstrike >

dusky yacht
paper siren
red flame
#

If only there was a thing to add tert to pieces like we can add sockets

white nova
#

I’d be all for that ^

azure thicket
red flame
#

I’d be the speediest mf around town

white nova
azure thicket
#

this change with cloud cover makes guidon a lot stronger i think is how it maths out even in keys

paper siren
#

so i might have to find that 700 haste

azure thicket
#

its not even a big difference but yeah

paper siren
surreal orbit
#

yo gang, is there any secret tricks to vaulting in a different spec?

fleet acorn
#

Check it Bosses killed and the loot u don’t want either switch

azure thicket
#

ye they did kinda collapse the difference between first and second best this season

#

before with netherprism/antenna was just y'know

#

the slappening

#

and behind that was seaforium/ritual forge or something afair

surreal orbit
north schooner
#

prism NOOO

azure thicket
#

come baaaaack

fleet acorn
mental flume
#

!fu

#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
dusky yacht
#

All these US vaults are giving me EU vault anxiety every time

#

Lmao

#

I still gotta wait ages you bastards

quaint breach
#

how often can we boost ilvl of wep/trinkets? 1 item every 2 weeks or?

modern sentinel
#

12h

shrewd lantern
#

sending bonus rolls before vault

#

since i have occlusion

#

in it

somber sun
#

everytime I see them I get stinky vaults

dusky yacht
#

One guy posts alleria myth neck and I'm staring at it going why are you doubting bro why are you doubting my god

azure thicket
#

don't move too fast or you'll scare the vault

dusky yacht
frail kindle
#

ngl bro like at this point if u dont have both bis trinkets from vault its lowkey a skill issue

dusky yacht
frail kindle
#

ur a skillful player

dusky yacht
#

guidon from vault and gaze from my first roll

#

Outplayed

dusky yacht
surreal orbit
#

have any rogues considered just breaking into the vault?

fossil forge
#

wednesday off garf_sit

lean sigil
#

anyone good with UI stuff? i would like to track some CDS as bars like this, im using meeres but missing this from muscle ui

dusky yacht
ionic flint
#

hi all- i cant find a sim string for this but how strong are the Nexas point ring set WHEN combined not just the raw stats vs what i have

dusky yacht
#

It sims better than alternatives for me

azure thicket
#

if you have it good but not a great chase if that makes sense

ionic flint
#

if i have guidon Myhic/gaze wep already, etc i was thinking of rolling it

surreal orbit
dusky yacht
#

I don't think it's a bad place to roll for us at all if you have myth dag etc

#

I'm just scared shitless of getting myth occlusion from rolls before myth omission

#

Like actually frightened bro

swift tinsel
#

its free loot you get eventually anyways

surreal orbit
#

do not click this if you are scared || YOU HAVE RECEIVED MYTHIC OCCLUSION ||

surreal orbit
#

you were warned

dusky yacht
dusky yacht
#

Thanks bro I appreciate the ring

surreal orbit
#

bless

swift tinsel
#

Occlusion the bigger better cooler smarter handsomer ring anyways

dusky yacht
swift tinsel
#

just loot better

#

ez

dusky yacht
#

That's what my whole guild was trolling me about

#

It's become a guild meme

light hull
#

Is there any way to hide the visuals of the smoke bomb? This shit makes impossible to avoid some damage from spots in the floor when im in cds

dusky yacht
#

A trick you can do is drop it elsewhere and then just shadowstep back to boss, cause cloud cover refreshes whether you're in the smoke or not

#

Pro tip

#

But they should honestly make it more see through man like it's actually stupid

#

Or just make it a smoke animation that just disappears or something idk

azure thicket
#

i like the particle effect it'd make more sense if your rogue started smoking/emitting the particles

surreal orbit
#

drop smoke, pop evasion, cloak, feint and pray

azure thicket
dusky yacht
#

Like in MT

surreal orbit
#

better to not die than die ez

somber sun
#

can they give us 2 cloak charges

surreal orbit
#

i simply let cheat death proc

dusky yacht
#

Ah

lilac stag
dusky yacht
#

But is that really the play though doesn't it make it so you can't see all mechanics clearly

lilac stag
#

Vs not seeing any mechanics clearly? dracthyr_shrug

dusky yacht
#

Well yeah but we're not in cloud cover 24/7

red flame
azure thicket
#

have to recraft dagger and chase myth aa ring cool

azure thicket
#

im not gonna chase pit of sauron loot table this week

#

or do i glorpgue

fleet acorn
#

Do we go for salhadaar log with bp Talent or not

dusky yacht
#

Only time you really use BP is small orbs

#

But I doubt it's optimal to even go for those if you wanna parse

fleet acorn
#

I only get to 70 parse always not sure what I do wrong

vale pine
dusky yacht
#

Idk if it's updated

#

It is

#

I never switched to DS anyway so personally only looked at cleave or ST

#

Also @vale pine I would love more wrongly spelled names on boss lists I think it's fantastic

#

Suggestions: Midnight Fails, Below Ren

somber sun
#

is there an option to sim with a certain error margin ?

vale pine
#

what do you mean specifically?

fossil forge
#

@steel zinc sent you a dm bossman

surreal orbit
#

is a 73 with 1,500 parses at least decent?

dusky yacht
shrewd lantern
#

omission pulled from bonus roll

#

have the other in vault

surreal orbit
dusky yacht
#

I'm getting it on last roll I can tell

shrewd lantern
#

im sending my other roll there before i take vault

#

since npx has most of the slots i dont have myth in

fossil forge
#

i got the only 2 slots i have

#

so we are eating good tomorrow

dusky yacht
#

I can only get chest & hands besides omission from there

#

But still prolly best place for me to send them tbh

surreal orbit
#

I should trinket with Blades, before dance right

fossil forge
#

i got the chest and the cloak

surreal orbit
#

not puzzle box

fossil forge
#

so i hope no hands

dusky yacht
#

Guidon?

shrewd lantern
#

as long as i dont pull hands its not a brick

surreal orbit
#

emberwing

dusky yacht
somber sun
swift tinsel
#

my fear is pulling pit legs cloak and belt today if vault fails

shrewd lantern
#

yeah emberwing is a temu guidon

somber sun
#

so i there a way to get a higher error margin to see how the overall dps would vary

dusky yacht
shrewd lantern
#

i roll it in bonus

#

apparently ring bonus scales off highest one of the pair

#

so you technically only need to upgrade one

surreal orbit
#

so just bind it separately basically

#

press trinket then blades no delay, wait on gcd for dance

dusky yacht
shrewd lantern
#

generally speaking at least, when there's other slots with primary to upgrade first

dusky yacht
swift tinsel
#

for a third roll

shrewd lantern
#

yeah its just a funny stuation now since the other npx item i want is in the vault

dusky yacht
surreal orbit
#

kkkkkkk

shrewd lantern
#

but i also have dragons cloak which is the other slot that's still hero

swift tinsel
#

would be nice if the loot list for bonus rolls included what you take from vault

#

but you can play around that kinda

shrewd lantern
#

i think my npx pool is down to boots occlusion gloves and cloak

#

i got crafted boots so boots only 4 ilvl

swift tinsel
#

legs still being in pit pool bc of bugfix has me fearful

dusky yacht
# surreal orbit kkkkkkk

Also important to note why you're actually doing this: it's when you do second dance in blades with 8 sec left on blades, you want to do second sectec ASAP in blades/dance. This is possible with on use haste, which is why guidon is amazing for us.

swift tinsel
#

since I'm really only chasing one item directly from there

shrewd lantern
#

pit pool is rather large

#

lmao

swift tinsel
#

dagger for sure, but neck would be nice since I have hc choker atm

surreal orbit
swift tinsel
#

I've gotten legs pre-fix, then ring bracers

dusky yacht
swift tinsel
#

so belt cloak legs neck dagger still in pool

dusky yacht
#

Whether you're delaying or not is irrelevant.

swift tinsel
#

and have crafted belt otherwise that wouldn't be a terrible pull

shrewd lantern
#

i got an nk belt in bag

#

mfs gonna be like "but it has no crit"

swift tinsel
#

all I want is crit lol

#

taking whatever mastery I get along the way with respect to meeting 700 haste

shrewd lantern
#

im being crutched by the salhadaar neck

#

rn

swift tinsel
#

I've been able to shift a lot of pieces around so I'm not hugely relying on any one item which is nice

shrewd lantern
#

yeah i mean its mostly haste items

#

that make shifts annoying

#

sometimes

swift tinsel
#

ye

#

jewelry is nice tho since I have a few pieces that have 100-150+ haste on them

#

plus what we have natively from tier

shrewd lantern
#

also go figure

#

i loot an occlusion that run

#

after having the set already

uncut token
#

!ui

wicked joltBOT
swift tinsel
#

really wish they'd do away with deepening extension leading to breakpoints

#

so gearing could be much more fluid/intuitive

shrewd lantern
#

do over 30 runs to get my first occlusion

#

then get another 4 runs later

azure thicket
#

oh so uh does it matter what key level we run to get voidcores?

#

or just slam 6s til they appear

swift tinsel
#

delves are usually speedy for the 3x

#

for the weekly

#

esp if that's the weekly spark quest

azure thicket
#

oh..lfr