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shrewd lantern
short radish
no the most OP defensive in the game is DK passive
final agate
Ams is top tier
shrewd lantern
well it used to be worse when magic effects
final agate
I ignore so many mechs with that
keen dome
Cloak should be one of the most OP abilities but then sometimes it just doesn't work on something it should work on and you die
short radish
Cloak should be one of the most OP abilities but then sometimes it just doesn't ...
pretty sure almost every rogue defensive is a shittier version of something else
final agate
I was going to say, cloak is rogue ams but can be unreliable
uncut juniper
Idk why cloak can’t use on laser at last boss skyreach
keen dome
pretty sure almost every rogue defensive is a shittier version of something else
Evasion?
tribal blade
feint is super OP until the dmg is not aoe then it becomes useless
pastel rampart
how is it worse
keen dome
Can they parry from behind
final agate
Rogue gets the hand me downs.
keen dome
Then that'd make it stronger, yeah, I guess. I think they're about equal though.
short radish
idk feels scuffed on 2nd boss in pit
keen dome
Although I think you can evade more than you can parry since you need a weapon to parry and you could be disarmed while I just need feet to evade
But eh
shrewd lantern
dh can parry from behind
pastel rampart
evasion and dbs are mechanically the same bar you need a weapon to cast/use dbs
shrewd lantern
the reasoning is they blind
keen dome
Not going to disagree with the sentiment of how all of ROgue's defensive kit is just an inferior version of something else, in some way.
vestal relic
true
wintry heart
rogue is considered one of the highest control classes in pvp
I think they need to delete PvP so rogues can hit their full pve potential
pastel rampart
idk i think u guys are a little cope since sub isnt the greatest rn bc feint/cloak/eva/vanish is genuinely insane w flexibility for cheat when elusiveness isnt needed and a passive 20% random dr we just got
tribal blade
kinda sucks how the entire kit that makes rogue so good in pvp is kinda useless in pve
shrewd lantern
rogue is still very good defensively
wintry heart
I played disc priest and had a rogue friend for twos in tbc and rogue mage was awful to play against 😂
shrewd lantern
if you forget dks exist
or reworked ret
most melee got defensive powercreep
unless you're enhance
keen dome
idk i think u guys are a little cope since sub isnt the greatest rn bc feint/clo...
I think together our kit does give us a lot, which is good. But Cloak should be more consistent on what it does / doesn't block, etc.
shrewd lantern
best i can do is a terrible 3min cd absorb
keen dome
It's less "we're dogshit bad tier" and more "we're not as strong as we should be defensively and the reason for this isn't clear or fun"
pastel rampart
I think together our kit does give us a lot, which is good. But Cloak should be ...
what is cloak inconsistent on?
keen dome
I'd have to go check but there's some mechanics that are clearly magic and it just doesn't negate or block. The funny one was back in TWW in uh, Colessium? where it blocked the spell in SL but didn't when it came back in TWW.
This season I've noticed a few like a beam in Skyreach, some cast in Pit
shrewd lantern
since when is vanish a defensive
pastel rampart
ic ic, i havent noticed, but ive definitely noticed evasion being turbo ass w like 90% of aoe attacks
keen dome
Yeah
pastel rampart
since when is vanish a defensive
since it cancels mechanics just as much as meld and ginvis
you can vanish out of the beams on skyreach
keen dome
Evasion won't work on AoE 'cos it has to be a direct attack against you the character.
shrewd lantern
thats not what a defensive is
lucid jackal
it works on the circles in seat and nexus point
shrewd lantern
talking strictly drs
pastel rampart
defensive = strictly dr is insane levels of cope
lucid jackal
It also works on the bird things in windrunner spire
keen dome
Oh, on the final boss?
pastel rampart
Evasion won't work on AoE 'cos it has to be a direct attack against *you* the ch...
nah, it works on some aoes
lucid jackal
no the trash that shields itself
bleak night
yeah it can work on aoes
keen dome
oh, my bad
bleak night
sometimes it works on weird shit
keen dome
I didn't think it could. The more you knooow.
shrewd lantern
its picky what it works on
lucid jackal
Theres a general heuristic for what evasion works on aoe wise but
Its a ifykyk type thing
keen dome
Yeah
lucid jackal
Idk how to articulate it but my assumtpions are usually correct
keen dome
I get what you mean.
It's one of those things you can go "oh this is a mechanic like (X) so then Evasion should work!"
I'll have to try it out on some stuff more often.
shrewd lantern
feint is still the strongest part
pastel rampart
its usually pretty obvious w the exception of "stomp" attacks being inconsistent and then the "haha i threw a giant rock at you but actually its nature dmg :P" imo
but u make the mistake once and ur fine
lucid jackal
Yeah
keen dome
Feint does a little spin so it's good
shrewd lantern
well ig nowadays vanish is slight dr since fade to nothing
which im surprised they let be so strong
keen dome
Vanish is the most powerful defensive in the game because when you make a mistake you can vanish from the responbility.
keen dome
Yeah it's great for that
"man I don't wanna deal with the fixate, fuck off little bug"
alpine wraith
you also cancel the ray from last boss skyreach
keen dome
I don't believe you can step back, no.
short radish
i swear something funky happened this week
keen dome
I love the kidnapper bird mechanic.
short radish
because i used to be able to gust of wind back on shaman
alpine wraith
you can step back i think
short radish
and that kinda failed
leaden prairie
it works on the circles in seat and nexus point
What circles
keen dome
I've seen multiple mages and warlocks die because they're at max range
alpine wraith
but there is no reason to ignore bird
leaden prairie
It also works on the bird things in windrunner spire
Also what bird
alpine wraith
people get cleave from it
keen dome
What circles
i assume the subjucator circles in seat?
alpine wraith
Also what bird
the draco likely
it fixates 1 person so if you vanish he stops the channel
shrewd lantern
yk
alpine wraith
but likely everyone is spamming shit to interrupt them anyway
leaden prairie
Ah I thought we were talking about evasion
shrewd lantern
i like how meld hasnt changed much last few years
but as soon as mdi players run it
"omg meld so op"
shrewd lantern
i just like how
keen dome
they should delete it and give them, uh, I don't know. Three hearthstones
keen dome
agreed
leaden prairie
And have fun
keen dome
They should delete them all and then put in a talent tree where you pick 1 theme'd one and 1 mechanical one and can swap freely, unlocked via rep or w/e. And then every race can have a fun thing like humans double hearth.
dusky yacht
This first audio on big wigs is the best thing I've ever heard, nostalgia moment, I raided Karazhan when it released
lucid jackal
and then if the birds target u with firespit same shit
shrewd lantern
also they have the best heritage set
keen dome
anything else like will to survive et al should just be in a talent tree you can select depending on content
dusky yacht
I kidney vanish cheapshot if I can both of them while I'm at it
leaden prairie
Im sure u know that
Ye I thought you were talking about evasion
And that I was missing evasion tech
Cause I genuinely can think of like
keen dome
It was I, who was missing the evasion tech because I didn't know it worked on some aoe abilities.
leaden prairie
1 thing you can evasion this season
leaden prairie
It was I, who was missing the evasion tech because I didn't know it worked on so...
Skill issue tho
I remember the good days when we had spinners legit every 2nd pack
lucid jackal
1 thing you can evasion this season
Bladestorm in windrunner spire
leaden prairie
And evasion works on every spinner in the game no cap
leaden prairie
Bladestorm in windrunner spire
Ye
lucid jackal
Think that legit might be it
keen dome
Skill issue tho
I've got so many skill issues that it's become a skill problem
leaden prairie
Ye
keen dome
It's great on the spinny boys. I've known that at least.
But not like, some of the AoE abilities.
leaden prairie
Bladestorm in windrunner spire
Also idk what's up with that ability
But you can legit stand in it
In 20s
Doesn't do shit
keen dome
haha
lucid jackal
LOL
keen dome
I've noticed (although this is ancedotal 'cos I don't like the dungeon) it seems to prefer ranged. So maybe it's got some weird delve scaling on it somehow
sit a mage in it, see if they explode
serene tapir
Should i trust sim when it want more crit even at baseline 654 haste? i got ember trinket that makes up for it a bit
for m+
dusky yacht
Should i trust sim when it want more crit even at baseline 654 haste? i got embe...
Well you're above 684 haste with oils right so that's good, but I wouldn't drop haste at this point for crit, you need about 700 ideally
serene tapir
i top meter anyway so yolo 😛
dusky yacht
Hahah yeah why not, just keep your haste at around 700 and keep it there, then you're ready for when you get guidon too
I got 687 with oils and I'm hoping to get a tiny bit more for comfort
serene tapir
yeah small portion but can make things smoother even tho its marginal
dusky yacht
yeah small portion but can make things smoother even tho its marginal
Yeah right now I'm a bit sweaty trying to get that second sectec in, I mean I can do it obviously, but it's giving me adrenaline spikes every time LMAO
Just a tiny bit more space would help
serene tapir
for sure!
frank wolf
The sectec snapshots right? If I cast it with a second left in blades/dances the initial hit and all of the shadow clones have the damage amp right?
dusky yacht
The sectec snapshots right? If I cast it with a second left in blades/dances the...
I mean there is a delay but I don't think it's more than a sec
I think fuu spoke about that a li'l bit ago or somebody else like Eleem, but I didn't pay attention to the exact number, which means I had to have been over it by default almost
final agate
I think 1 sec is right.
frank wolf
Damn so the animation has to fit inside blades/dance
Cringe. Truly the trials and tribulations of having no guidon
warm marlin
I mean there is a delay but I don't think it's more than a sec
0.6s/1.2s
dusky yacht
warm marlin
no snapshot they need to hit in dance/blades
frank wolf
no snapshot they need to hit in dance/blades
For fucks sake
shrewd lantern
@warm marlin have you simmed wax
warm marlin
no i should have
but early in beta once we got oils i think it was a little worse
so i gave up on it
we abuse adamantite consums now tho
final agate
Right?
final agate
Still no guidon. 🥲
frank wolf
Similarly to how Yorukage plays with mythic guidon
dusky yacht
Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of me shouting Forward, the Vanguard of the Light!
final agate
Someone rob Yoru. Relieve him of his guidon.
frank wolf
Dissimilar to how searchingforgod plays with crucible and box
tribal blade
i forget, is talenting premed on the sims + or - 0.3%
final agate
It's fine. He'll be back.
frank wolf
i forget, is talenting premed on the sims + or - 0.3%
Minus
final agate
Was -0.4% for me
Deserved
tribal blade
yeah it's all basically neutral for me
final agate
Imma try no premed
vale osprey
Fuu said sims don't account for around -0.5% so add that to the diff in your sim also
final agate
It didn't feel good but... I didn't give it enough of a chance.
dusky yacht
Fuu said sims don't account for around -0.5% so add that to the diff in your sim...
Goddamn then it's -0.9% for me?
frank wolf
Imma try no premed
Makes no difference in m+ until you get to boss fights then it feels like shit
final agate
Makes no difference in m+ until you get to boss fights then it feels like shit
I can see this. Fuck, guess we staying premed.
dusky yacht
Pro tip make sure you have full cp before boss
frank wolf
Pro tip make sure you have full cp before boss
Just buy a house tier advice
frank wolf
frank wolf
I can see this. Fuck, guess we staying premed.
Yknow the actual big difference ppl dont talk about is PE > WS, it feels like you are NEVER proccing apex without WS
final agate
I haven't tried swapping to WS.
frank wolf
So many times ive strike > strike in dance only to not procc apex bc i havent built more than 4 sht stacks ffs
white tapir
what are the best spots for bonus rolls first?
final agate
Depends on what you have/don't have.
frank wolf
what are the best spots for bonus rolls first?
Assuming you arent mythic raiding just send in pit or skyreach
vale osprey
Depends on what you have/don't have.
No tell me the best rn without knowing any of the shit I currently have
frank wolf
You can fully gear your char from those dungeons alone
final agate
No tell me the best rn without knowing any of the shit I currently have
Guidon and win. Ezpz
vale osprey
Guidon and win. Ezpz
Smh I already HAVE that bro, go again
dusky yacht
Man I can't hold all these bis trinkets
final agate
Smh I already HAVE that bro, go again
Fuck. Uh. Yoru help.
final agate
Man I can't hold all these bis trinkets
Donate them to charity.
dusky yacht
Smh I already HAVE that bro, go again
final agate
dusky yacht
vale osprey
Smh I already HAVE that bro, go again
dusky yacht
Smh I already HAVE that bro, go again
Belo'ren dagger myth
vale osprey
Belo'ren dagger myth
Soon 🙏
final agate
Nah. It's gonna come to me. And you won't have it, go again.
final agate
We're not doing belo'ren myth and it makes me sad
Yet
vale osprey
We're not doing belo'ren myth and it makes me sad
We're progging it currently
dusky yacht
Tonight we're gonna try to wipe more on dragons if we can manage pulling it
dusky yacht
Stand in shit.
I'm just trying to help my healers parse
white tapir
what is belo'ren difficulty wise, is it like a end of tier boss in mythic?
final agate
I'm just trying to help my healers parse
Team player
vale osprey
what is belo'ren difficulty wise, is it like a end of tier boss in mythic?
It's like penultimate endboss tier
dusky yacht
Stand in shit.
My guildleader told me to get bigwigs, so now I'm running away like a li'l girl uwu
final agate
As you should.
dusky yacht
I raided karazhan in TBC that was so nostalgia moment when I heard it
I can't switch it again
It's over
final agate
Lol. I remember that shit. Wow.
dusky yacht
I'm doing moroes every week now for mongoose enchant
What a vibe that place was
People falling off the path in the tower
final agate
Also, ironically I use the default tracker and it's enough.
final agate
People falling off the path in the tower
Felt
dusky yacht
I hope blizzard does something like that again, I miss the comedic relief that place had
frank wolf
What a vibe that place was
Yoooo i felt the same when they brought back upper and lower kara in m+
I liked that season
dusky yacht
Yeah damn that must've been a good season
I remember playing the chess event and having to pretend I knew what was going on
Good times
dusky yacht
Bro I timed a 15 skyreach and I don't know how we did it, the amount of times I fked up
God I hate that dungeon
Whoever designed it is a psychopath
frank wolf
And the dr the mobs have is so unsatisfying
Pull the entire dungeon to do a blistering 115k
dusky yacht
And like I don't even blame the people for fking up sometimes it's just aids, you can just get pure unlucky tbh
Like tornado does a uturn while you're midair
Yeah great
frank wolf
Blizzard and their swirlies 
I alt havoc - i legit might end the season w 10 skyreach on it
Legit unplayable with inertia
dusky yacht
Christ yeah I had just switched my ui and it wasn't optimal at all
So to try and do remotely decent dps I kept having to look down for shit
And then we get that first boss
So much fun
Thank god my party was just laughing about it cause we were gonna time it anyway
Feint probably saved my life 4 times on first boss alone
frank wolf
Feint on first boss is legit solo carry
vestal relic
Also what is that bleed dmg
dwarf
dusky yacht
I tried running away but uhh
vestal relic
short arm rp
dusky yacht
I can't live without my ponytail physics bro
vestal relic
but damn bleeds are less scary
dusky yacht
dies to bleeds looking fantastic
vestal relic
dont care about ponytails
dusky yacht
That'll be 50g
vestal relic
looking good
dusky yacht
dusky yacht
uwu
frank wolf
Also what is that bleed dmg
Its called cheat death
Elusiveness detected opinion rejected
vestal relic
i would cut his legs : get these feet and prevent him dying from bleeds
also dwarf can have ponytails no?
frank wolf
also dwarf can have ponytails no?
Yeah but then you remember you’re a dwarf
vestal relic
so what
final agate
And hate life
vestal relic
you dont like dwarf?
frank wolf
So now you’re down $30 for race change
vestal relic
are you racist ?
final agate
Always.
frank wolf
Yes
short radish
Yes
frank wolf
vestal relic
damn x)
vestal relic
im not
misty compass
Gnomes are the worst race of Azeorth.
vestal relic
but your welcome to speculate
misty compass
But tasty as hell, I eat 'em
dusky yacht
https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-looking-glass-gif-21970143
Me trying to see swirlies in cloud cover
vestal relic
and i agree gnomes are the worst
final agate
Mechagnomes even more so.
frank wolf
Nah mechagnomes are kinda lit
misty compass
Mechagnomes even more so.
True, I can't even eat them, man...
frank wolf
More than gnomes for sure
vestal relic
mechagnomes is just gnomes with a promotion
thinking they are above the other
while they are even worst
final agate
Me trying to see swirlies in cloud cover
I don't have an issue seeing them. Take the eye patch off, goofy
dusky yacht
💀
Nah but it's better now that I realised you can just angle your camera so it's top down more
final agate
That's what I do.
frank wolf
Blizzard loveeees an indoor dungeon
Intended way to play is 1st person i guess
The console pivot is slow but sure
dusky yacht
Also I went to get bread and stuff this morning and I still got my leather jacket on while I'm sorting my ui and addons
It's been two hours
Wtf am I Doing
frank wolf
Playing first person pov.
Bro thats what it feels like? Half of windrunner spire im staring at my tanks coochie
final agate
You ain't wrong though.
final agate
Wtf am I Doing
Failing apparently
frank wolf
Also I went to get bread and stuff this morning and I still got my leather jacke...
Youve got a leather jacket on while playing wow
dusky yacht
You about to catch hands if I can manage to gauge the distance with this eyepatch on
frank wolf
You are what the other classes think rogue players are kek
final agate
You about to catch hands if I can manage to gauge the distance with this eyepatc...
You can't even see swirlies at your feet. You're cooked.
dusky yacht
dusky yacht
i'll shank ya mate i swer on me mum
final agate
<a:pepestab:1139020226067964004>
To the right, bud.
dusky yacht
shit.
lapis berry
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fathom adder
is there anything special i need to do to occupy two of the beams on skyreach first boss? i guess only with sprint and run into one until it hits you, run out to the next, run back (?)
is that even worth it
uncut juniper
is there anything special i need to do to occupy two of the beams on skyreach fi...
There’s no beams on the first boss or I’m missing something
brisk onyx
maybe the second boss
uncut juniper
If it’s the second boss, you only need to soak 1 beam per player
fathom adder
yeah the second one
i mean that "rogue tech" running between two to cap two
but idk yet if thats really a thing
brisk onyx
its really
But I don't think this is a "rogue tech." As long as the two beams are close enough, melee (or BM hunter) can do it
pearl swan
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
simple locust
is the bonus roll loot in m+ specific to each level above 10? if i roll on a +10 and get item A, and roll again in a +11, can i get item A again?
keen dome
You cannot, no. At 10 and above it's the myth vault lootpool so you'd have to exhaust everything to see repeats.
simple locust
ok ty
fathom adder
where can i lower the volume for targeted spells? cannot find it in the options that are included in blizz ui system
tawny arrow
My guild is progging mythic dragons atm. I've noticed in the opener that my first shadowstrike isnt criting and im not getting full combo points. Every video I watch, they get full combo points in the first shadowstrike, is there something im doing wrong?
short radish
guys do i need exactly 800 haste? i'm 1 haste short. is my damage going to be ruined?
tribal blade
My guild is progging mythic dragons atm. I've noticed in the opener that my firs...
you're not talented into premed currently
tribal blade
guys do i need exactly 800 haste? i'm 1 haste short. is my damage going to be ru...
it's joever
can't do dps
delete the game
tawny arrow
you're not talented into premed currently
im so stupid, thank you lmao
tribal blade
im so stupid, thank you lmao
np 😉
tawny arrow
i was going crazy haha
tribal blade
yeah we're running different talents now
fyi if you want to keep running premed you can
it's not a huge dps diff
tawny arrow
awesome thank you
uncut monolith
This premed bug is ruining casual openers.
tribal blade
yeah would be so nice for premed to give sht instead of CP
i was a big believer in running premed but i might start dabbling in no premed after testing it in heroic today
tribal blade
guys do i need exactly 800 haste? i'm 1 haste short. is my damage going to be ru...
wait why are you running 800 haste when you got guidon
for beloren?
short radish
yeah
tribal blade
ahhh gotcha
radiant swift
what does change on belo, that u need 100 extra haste?
short radish
what does change on belo, that u need 100 extra haste?
puzzlebox
finite lynx
!guide
tribal blade
ah i see - how much more burst did i get
puzzle gives over 100 more stat and 5 seconds increased duration
radiant swift
puzzle gives over 100 more stat and 5 seconds increased duration
i know but tbh i didnt see much diffrence running it in m+ tho, so i wondered
tribal blade
i know but tbh i didnt see much diffrence running it in m+ tho, so i wondered
it's because you're only using it every other blades in keys
on beloren the 1st burn is at 2 mins
so you use on pull, then hold blades for 30 till burn
oh looks like people don't even send puzzlebox on pull
they just hold it for the burns
radiant swift
it's because you're only using it every other blades in keys
are u 1 phasing it? is that even possible in mythic
tribal blade
are u 1 phasing it? is that even possible in mythic
nah
2 phasing
looks like 2nd burn is roughly 4:30
radiant swift
looks like 2nd burn is roughly 4:30
u dont have puzzlebox then tho
unless u send pull and 2 burn i guess but
kills kinda the point no?
tribal blade
u dont have puzzlebox then tho
if you send puzzle at 2 mins you definitely have it back up for 4:30
the boss' real hp is the egg so optimizing around that is the most important thing
radiant swift
and tought for a sec the cd is 3mi
radiant swift
my bad got confused for a sec
tribal blade
np!
tribal blade
most people are running guidon
i think the tradeoff is running guidon means you get more trinket casts
but probably less egg burn
running puzzle you only get 2 casts overall on the fight
but it's more egg dmg
dusky yacht
ui change turns out to be a massive W, pugged heroic to test
Too bad fell apart at vanguard
short radish
ps?
tawny thicket
Still playing sub?
tribal blade
fly away is at 1:40
no fucking shot lol
short radish
🙂
karmic harbor
Still playing sub? <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Is law better on bird?
mighty citrus
no
Teach me senpai. My best pull I had 275k
But the other trys were more around 250k
But I did not bank an sc either
short radish
Teach me senpai. My best pull I had 275k
just crit all your shadow strikes
i've also banked like 3 SC
short radish
i actually added 9 more haste instead of crit 
short radish
what other buffs are there?
dusky yacht
Sick
tribal blade
just crit all your shadow strikes
you know i'd love sectec to be our biggest dmg again
that would be so rad
made me sad seeing sectec so low on there
short radish
ikr
tribal blade
bring back the nuclear button
somber sun
rework it so it spawns 3 bonus shadows to proc evisc at max combo points 
velvet jay
im trying to do +17 keys, but I just don't get invited xD
somber sun
im trying to do +17 keys, but I just don't get invited xD
does he know...
velvet jay
Why don't they give rogues a party buff so that we are actually usefull...
somber sun
bring back expose armor
tribal blade
im trying to do +17 keys, but I just don't get invited xD
you're playing the least popular rogue spec in a class that brings absolutely nothing to keys /cry
that's just rogue life pugging though
upbeat cradle
supercharged compo points
steel zinc
oh ok
tribal blade
does anyone know what addon casual is using for TTS focus kicks
i need sexy AI lady to call my kicks for me again
tepid trellis
i want out of windchime
tribal blade
i want out of windchime
that seems like a really good pull count to be at P3
or were the nerfs that significant
lilac stag
what other buffs are there?
TBC weapon stones for MH
lilac stag
does anyone know what addon casual is using for TTS focus kicks
Ping em?
tribal blade
does anyone know what addon casual is using for TTS focus kicks
@ashen ibex
tribal blade
its just boring af
damn sad to hear
tribal blade
story of this entire tier
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1rlh8uk/focus_interrupt_addon/ gah i found one but it's vibe coded
Reddit
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/focus-alert-interrupt might have found something
oh this one hasn't been updated for the latest patch F
ashen ibex
i need sexy AI lady to call my kicks for me again
Naowh QOL
somber sun
does anyone know what addon casual is using for TTS focus kicks
there is that option in blizz settings
tribal blade
Naowh QOL
gotcha ty!
damn this addon actually sounds sick, gonna mess with it tomorrow
celest ice
is deepening shadows still slow to update haste value?
void ocean
is deepening shadows still slow to update haste value?
its not up to the talent
celest ice
well i ask like this, we still dont macro guidon ?
void ocean
we dont
velvet sparrow
hello i have a question about raidbot : Dslice work as sub for key higher 15 16 or better to sim with patwerk 10 target ?
tribal blade
hello i have a question about raidbot : Dslice work as sub for key higher 15 16 ...
dslice is better
velvet sparrow
ty ^^
exotic steeple
hi, should is bonus roll worth to use on mythic guidon if alr got champ track guidon?
wth did i just type bruh
dusky yacht
hi, should is bonus roll worth to use on mythic guidon if alr got champ track gu...
I mean do you got myth gaze already
exotic steeple
hero gaze
exotic steeple
aight
ashen warren
!guides
azure thicket
idk i had good results rolling magisters terrace the lemon to w ratio was nice
got a bifurcation band/assa cloak/myth boots
next week probably hit raid then clean up in maisara or something
tepid trellis
immaculate comms
vale pine
lol
exotic steeple
damn got mguidon mythic on bonus roll and boe right after xD
im gonna die today i think
upbeat sorrel
Does killing chimareus put dreamrift loot in my vault forever even if I don't kill it that week
ashen warren
yes
graceful osprey
Didn’t get duplicate loot from the void cores, still got the refund. Wicked
sharp sapphire
everybody that spent cores before the fix gets a refund. but spending them now on the same loot table might get you the item you already got
keen dome
Didn’t get duplicate loot from the void cores, still got the refund. Wicked
Damn, the Winner has logged on.
What'd you get from your first two bugged rolls?
tepid trellis
abuse often and early
graceful osprey
I got some shoulders and chest, but my current shoulders and chest are already myth
keen dome
damn
pallid jackal
Umbral plume now sims higher for me, compared to gaze and mastery version
keen dome
you didn't win as hard as you could've
graceful osprey
Would love some new rings but we’ll see
keen dome
big nexus gains
wheat cloak
Do we want to go into shadow dance with an apex proc ready or does it still interact weirdly with sectec
or was that just a premed thing
fossil forge
abuse often and early
the motto
tepid trellis
we have been told to stop BP'ing in p1 now
blissful spindle
Was quite surprised to see Crucible sim higher (barely) than a 1/6 Myth Prism. Chat history search says Crucible sim confidence is pretty high after a recent revisit, so I just assume it aligns well with Sub eh?
tepid trellis
fossil forge
pp maxxing
hazy breach
Was quite surprised to see Crucible sim higher (barely) than a 1/6 Myth Prism. C...
Its just a good trinket in general
But a fully upgraded myth prism should beat it by a little bit
stoic anchor
so in M+ stat prio is: haste cap>crit>mastery>haste noncap>versatility?
idk this crit angle seems kinda sus to me. i liked it better when i had mastery
keen dome
You can just get mastery, too. Mastery is good, too.
stoic anchor
what does is good too mean?
keen dome
It means mastery is also a good stat to have and stacking it isn't a bad thing in AoE situations. You don't really need to think too hard about stats. Get the haste breakpoint -> crit+mastery gear.
tepid trellis
mastery should pull ahead of crit on AoE
dusky yacht
so in M+ stat prio is: haste cap>crit>mastery>haste noncap>versatility?
In m+/AoE Mastery is still better probably than crit overall, but purely stacking seems unwise, because there are also ST fights in m+.
I'm mainly focused on raiding so I have a balance but leaning towards crit, and I use mastery flask in m+ and AoE fights, crit flask ST raid.
tepid trellis
the goated stats
warm marlin
passenger princess time
love being a useless melee chud this raid
dusky yacht
the goated stats
This with mastery flask?
warm marlin
i dont carry a seed
i dont do the macro for memory game
i dont do crystal damage
im not assigned to do anything
i just hit da boss and do my patchwerk sim
keen dome
Get more haste
stoic anchor
Can't
keen dome
Why not?
stoic anchor
Gear
dusky yacht
Is this with mastery flask?
keen dome
Well, you can get more gear, so you can get more haste.
hazy lichen
keen dome
Get 700~ haste (674 without oils) for comfy zone. Then just build for crit+mastery. Easypeasy lemony squeezy. Bit more mastery for AoE. Bit more Crit for ST. Bit for speed for running around.
stoic anchor
or like this : and then i crit flask
dusky yacht
or like this : and then i crit flask
For m+ use mastery flask with this
ocean sonnet
Unbuffed
tepid trellis
This with mastery flask?
crit
keen dome
I'm closing in on the stealthi stats.
tepid trellis
im doodoo ilvl
keen dome
damn, closing in on your iLevel, too.
fossil forge
big crest debt gang 💯
dusky yacht
keen dome
Every week we will gain more power and then be in debt crest land
fossil forge
🧢
dusky yacht
I'm starting to get behind cause no drops anymore lmao but at least I did roll myth gaze I guess
I should prolly roll some myth armor pieces next week to catalyst them or summin
keen dome
I want myth gaze in vault so I can be lazy on repugging content and just play Diablo 4 instead
blizzard give me everythign I want on reset please so I can go play the other blizzard game. it's in your vested interest
dusky yacht
I don't like diablo anymore personally
I played diablo 2 lod a long time ago, played the rerelease a while, tried diablo 3 & 4 but I keep getting bored, the loot feels dead af
keen dome
I like to make the skeletons explode in bright colours.
rain swift
dusky yacht
I should play d2 rerelease again some day tho and do my good ole frost soc until enigma and then hammerdin scheme
fossil forge
holy leech value
hazy lichen
im doodoo ilvl
whats ur stats
plush roost
There there
void ocean
...and I was first with 84 for a long while...
but then pala hit me with "if u want it u can have it"
plush roost
get me out
Youre in p1 for another 50 pulls by virtue of someone falling asleep
Actually insane difficulty phase to remain locked in on pull 100
warm marlin
this is so boring man
play outlaw
void ocean
So did you take it
yup, proud owner of hc guidon
warm marlin
at least i have a bit more to focus on
dusky yacht
yup, proud owner of hc guidon
gz
void ocean
ty
rain swift
get me out
i would never wish to pug this boss, glad i got my guild
tepid trellis
Youre in p1 for another 50 pulls by virtue of someone falling asleep
dont think the boss lives another 100 pulls
best is 28 in p3
tepid trellis
i would never wish to pug this boss, glad i got my guild
well i aint pugging it lol i just wanna be done progging it on mythic
as i dont enjoy the boss
dusky yacht
I almost coughed out my vape smoke when I saw this
rain swift
well i aint pugging it lol i just wanna be done progging it on mythic
yeah, the boss isnt fun generally, not because of how it is, just because of all the small mistakes ppl can make, even on heroic 1 fail is pretty much a wipe
warm marlin
I think its so fucking cool
i think its really cool and i kind of like the mechanics i just wish i had more of a job
melee is so worthless in this raid
i cant
lucid jackal
Yeah I mean as a melee DPS I kinda just dont die + kick
Which is like, lame ig but idk
I think the fight has a good pace
hazy breach
It is indeed very cool, however cool doesnt necessarily equate to fun
cursive vapor
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
rain swift
whats the beloren difference to mythic diff from hc?
lucid jackal
I think its both cool and fun
latent remnant
whats the beloren difference to mythic diff from hc?
its harder
rain swift
its harder
no extra mechanics?
warm marlin
i dont even know what heroic really does
tepid trellis
im 4th kick and it gets sniped half the time by 5th guy
im not even on kick
warm marlin
weve only ever 1 phased it
tepid trellis
im just full afk
rain swift
weve only ever 1 phased it
yeah pretty much how it goes, if u dont one phase it u just gotta redo phase 1 over again
dusky yacht
Time to watch some raccoon reels while you play Stealthi
dusky yacht
rain swift
yeah pretty much how it goes, if u dont one phase it u just gotta redo phase 1 o...
or well theres like 2 soaks going off at the same time instead of 1
warm marlin
yeah pretty much how it goes, if u dont one phase it u just gotta redo phase 1 o...
ye but second phase 1 has more stuff
cursive vapor
is the dance+sectec macro always a recommend or only in like lower keys?
hazy breach
is the dance+sectec macro always a recommend or only in like lower keys?
Always
If you dont you probably need like an extra 200ish haste to not miss your globals
Which is pointless when you could just use the macro and get other stats that increase your damagei nstead
rain swift
If you dont you probably need like an extra 200ish haste to not miss your global...
thats insane its that much of a difference?
lucid jackal
I dont use it and I've never missed a dance global 😏
but I have dance on a mouse button
warm marlin
every time someone has said this who isnt private logging ive looked and they miss dance globals
not saying u are
warm marlin
8 normally 9 in guidon
warm marlin
this one screenshot is surely evidence
i mean its just the math unless your fingers are perfect you're losing some dance time not macroing
it is just harder
its not impossible but on 650 haste i could still do all gcds consistently
hard without macro
lucid jackal
https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1734791734842818921/photo/1 dw my fingers are in good condition
X
cursive vapor
void ocean
https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1734791734842818921/photo/1 dw my fingers are i...
bro when u finger girls do u also check their lungs
plush roost
dont think the boss lives another 100 pulls
Maybe, i just find its really hard as a non seed person to stay locked in p1
Ive actually started talking and announcing to myself stuff to stay focused lmfao
Just nothing to do but the motions
warm marlin
Maybe, i just find its really hard as a non seed person to stay locked in p1
like i was saying i think id have a lot of fun if i wasnt a worthless melee chud who doesnt do anything
outlaw was def the move so that i can stay awake more
dreamy stump
hello guys
do we try getting the first dance between pack or doesnt matter ?
sullen flicker
I almost coughed out my vape smoke when I saw this
actual winning class complainign wtf is that
sullen flicker
i mean. atleast their class works
tepid trellis
Ive actually started talking and announcing to myself stuff to stay focused lmfa...
i just sing along to my music
swift tinsel
They can still complain about a change that makes their spec actively less fun
It’s valid criticism
smoky bough
can someone tell me how to play the opener?
sharp ravine
SS Vanish SS Backstab until 7CP, Guidon, SB SD ST
smoky bough
from there normal rotation?
sharp ravine
Yes
torn tide
https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1734791734842818921/photo/1 dw my fingers are i...
interesting lookin finger
timid rose
Proof that the greys exist
torn tide
interesting lookin finger
might act as a good offhand dagger
mighty citrus
i see people macroing sb dance and st together. as long as you press trinket manually before, there shouldnt be a problem correct?
ornate ruin
interesting lookin finger
he has a condition
sharp ravine
i see people macroing sb dance and st together. as long as you press trinket man...
Yes
hazy breach
i see people macroing sb dance and st together. as long as you press trinket man...
Correct, but i would also say that its not that necessary
But it does not hurt
lucid jackal
he has a condition
Went to the doctor and they said I was morbidly a beast
keen dome
Powerful flipping off power, though
mighty citrus
Correct, but i would also say that its not that necessary
just testing on a dummy currently with and without sb macro and it feels like iam missing 1s of dance if i use the macro with sb 😄
need to verify
hazy breach
Blades has no impact on dance duration, ig you're just using too early in relation to guidon then
mighty citrus
yeah maybe the second i would press sb manually
this is the time it takes trinket and talent to do its thing
tender heron
Any1 know why when i press my macro my lights potential doesnt activate?
#showtooltip 13
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
/use Light's Potential
vale pine
Any1 know why when i press my macro my lights potential doesnt activate?
#showt...
you can use this instead:
/use item:245898
/use item:245897```(thats both ranks of lights potential)
sharp sapphire
plus put it before secret technique, so that its buffed by the pot
lucid jackal
do u have the macro on ur stealth bar
tender heron
do u have the macro on ur stealth bar
nop
sharp ravine
still didnt work- lmao
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
tender heron
#showtooltip 13
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
will try in a sec, ty
tender heron
it works ty!
west arch
Use premeditation or not?
hazy breach
Whatever you prefer, its like ~0.5% better in sim to not use it
(and i like getting more heals, which you also get by not taking it)
west arch
Ok
frigid canopy
i dont know about you, but i get 99 parse healing every raid boss, so would be nice to recieve external healing a bit more xD
celest spruce
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
hallow night
Hey guys, I just got emberwing feather, no guidon yet. both are on use haste trinket.
Fuu says 700 haste with guidon, 800 without.
Would emberwing be a ok replacement to reduce my haste down to 700?
timid rose
Hey guys, I just got emberwing feather, no guidon yet. both are on use haste tri...
It will only help for every other CD window
hallow night
It will only help for every other CD window
oh fuck you’re right 2 mins vs 90secs. i’ll stay 800 haste
finite lynx
!guide
sharp ravine
Do a !log
surreal orbit
earnest crane
guys how many [Nebulous Voidcore] should i have currently?
hazy breach
guys how many [Nebulous Voidcore] should i have currently?
2 (assuming you havent used any).
If you used them before wednesday night they were bugged and you got those refunded
You can also buy one additional with the tokens you can select from your vault
karmic harbor
how do i get mrt to announce stuff in my note from lorrgs?
is that possible? or do i need another addon?
fallow nimbus
!ui
wicked joltBOT
Essential:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
Quality of Life:
Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
Mute Cold Blood sound
The first dance tracker
oblique spade
!opener
wicked joltBOT
The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns
warm marlin
is that possible? or do i need another addon?
nsrt does it
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet
hazy breach
premed is fixed?
Nothing has changed about premed no
And they wont until atleast the next patch at best
Because they need to rework it for it to not be a dps loss, as its not bad because of a bug
tame terrace
karmic harbor
nsrt does it
ty
paper stirrup
i dont understand why im able to fit 2 st in blades while bloodlusted, but not otherwise?
hazy breach
Sectech cd scales with haste
south pelican
i dont understand why im able to fit 2 st in blades while bloodlusted, but not o...
Lust reduces cd on ST
hazy breach
But you should be able to get 2 in blades regardless
paper stirrup
so im just too low haste then?
hazy breach
lilac stag
the 
note kills me every time.
keen dome
the <:deathstalkermark:1278274365170913301> note kills me every time.
deathstalker jumpscare
fossil forge
nah but crown is disaster
with cloud
these fkass lil poops on the ground im too blind for this shit
final agate
Turn spell opacity down.
glass kelp
But you should be able to get 2 in blades regardless
To go with that, should I try and pop 2nd sectec with 1/2 charged points, or send it as long as I'm in second dance during blades, regardless of combo points?
fossil forge
spell opacity also doesnt help the fact boss decides to run a marathon p3
final agate
Or just angle the camera towards the ground a little.
final agate
spell opacity also doesnt help the fact boss decides to run a marathon p3
Aaah. So it's up time on the buff. It resets at the end of could
final agate
To go with that, should I try and pop 2nd sectec with 1/2 charged points, or sen...
If you can send it with supercharger great, if not still send inside of dance and blades.
toxic igloo
Is Numbing poison or Atrophic better for m+?
fierce wigeon
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
rocky barn
Is there an alternative embellishment craft to hunt on dagger? I lost my dagger in a tragic recraft accident and when I sim 2 myth daggers and double arcano is kinda close. I just really don’t want to lose 80 crests
quaint breach
why doesnt guide have [Heavy Knothide Armor Kit] enchant for gloves :d
glass kelp
If you can send it with supercharger great, if not still send inside of dance an...
Slap the button, got it. Ty
lucid jackal
Is Numbing poison or Atrophic better for m+?
Generally numbing
final agate
its crazy that mages get their own "we are unhappy with the changes" wowhead pos...
Come again?
lucid jackal
What's wrong with it
warm marlin
Is there an alternative embellishment craft to hunt on dagger? I lost my dagger ...
you can play arcanoweave but hunt is very strong
if you have a myth mh dagger just craft the oh with hero crests at 272
hazy breach
why doesnt guide have [Heavy Knothide Armor Kit] enchant for gloves :d
+3 stamina when you have 21000
final agate
So if you're crafting two daggers, go hunt on both?
warm marlin
yes but generally crafting 2 daggers is not advised
offhand is a really bad slot better to use crests elsewhere
final agate
Gotcha, so focus on crafting main hand. What dungeon offers a solid offhand?
ionic python
I have a question, in fights like the 1st boss on Maisara, is it still better to Black powder over Evis? it feels so bad, but idk if its marginally better
warm marlin
pit, skyreach
glass kelp
Gotcha, so focus on crafting main hand. What dungeon offers a solid offhand?
Robot, but sky reach and pit
warm marlin
I have a question, in fights like the 1st boss on Maisara, is it still better to...
once you have like 700 mastery or something yes
maybe 600
raw frost
can you pre shadow dance on bosses for the 2 points ?
warm marlin
its somewhere around there
warm marlin
its really not a huge difference if you want to evis to cleave the bosses more evenly
final agate
can you pre shadow dance on bosses for the 2 points ?
Yeah, that is a strat for bosses and first pulls, I believe
raw frost
ok thanks
balmy dirge
how bis is Guidon compared to Gaze(lfg) or Puzzle(Myth) because i saw bloodmallet but i dont find it that special (if this is a stupid question you can bully me)
glass kelp
how bis is Guidon compared to Gaze(lfg) or Puzzle(Myth) because i saw bloodmall...
Bot
Always consult our omnissiah
twilit orbit
are we waiting for ancient arts buff to send eviscerates and ST
tepid trellis
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
finite current
Do we ever use Wound poison in M+? I know silly question but.. xD
tepid trellis
thats the only time you give a single shit about apex
twilit orbit
ok
delicate charm
So you get 2 supercharged points, but one is consumed insta with secret technique? Then you use that optimization for the second?
Am I understanding that right?
pulsar jolt
is anyone else having an issue seeing the add circles in p1 crown when smoke bomb is up or am i just blind?
sweet moss
why can i sometimes not get super charged combo poinst pore pull?
chilly tree
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vale pine
Do we ever use Wound poison in M+? I know silly question but.. xD
you can
the diffrence is very low
raw frost
at least they fixed the cloud cover ;d
vale pine
think there is one round expectec for next week or the week after
raw frost
most likely week after cause ;d
there should have beeninfo until now if it was next week
sweet moss
why can i sometimes not get super charged combo poinst pore pull?
actually
think they just show when in combat
lucid jackal
Do we ever use Wound poison in M+? I know silly question but.. xD
Some dungeons have adds that heal so switching back and forth on those pulls is worth it if your group doesn't have healcut
vale pine
why can i sometimes not get super charged combo poinst pore pull?
the first 2 charger points don't reset
so you can use dance pre pull
and have 2 banked
keen holly
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization:
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).
hazy breach
think they just show when in combat
I mean that depends on your UI
vale pine
your addon might only show the supercharger charges when you have combo points
this might be why you don't "see" them
hexed wave
sub still looking strong? tired of these people wanting me to go outlaw lol
Loving sub
final agate
All three specs are doing pretty well, so yeah sub is strong.
naive zodiac
well the changes aren’t gonna change the fact subtlety performs terribly when there is 2-3t cleave
coral bear
wheres the google doc for all the sims for the spec dps
naive zodiac
but should be a bit better on the bosses that matter
vale pine
so sub damage didnt change at all in raid?
other classes got buffed too
yo it did not change much relaitvely seen
while assassiantion got lower
because it did not get changes
coral bear
!simc
vale pine
which is what you see on the graph
coral bear
!sim
vale pine
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
hazy lichen
are there bosses in mythic that are hard dps checks st?
coral bear
Trying to figure out why my gear sims 10k lower
when I did gearcompare
with the same stuff
lilac stag
you’ve got 290 ilvl?
lilac stag
try explaining a different way. I don’t get what you mean you did a gear compare if the ilvl is differnt
what are you trying to do?
coral bear
I simmed myself, in a Patchwerk 1 Boss Sim,
Where I compared my dps with my current gear, and my gear if i was to be 289ilvl everywhere
and it sits at 116k dps
Where fuu's sims, sits at 126k dps
finite current
Just trying to figure why people use sometimes the improved wound poison talent tho
coral bear
So im trying to figure out, if the sim is 1 boss patchwerk aswell
lilac stag
which means you’re missing gear compared to the profile fuu setup, or talents, or flasks/oils, etc