subtlety

[frank wolf]

Reject modernity embrace tradition run warning signs + premed jigachad???

[red flame]

Is the gist of what I learned

[red flame]

That’s what I do

Cba to play w/o premed fuck that

& swapping to PE was a 200 dps loss

[dusky yacht]

It's 0.4% for me

[frank wolf]

honestly bro im making the switch

Only dorks crunch numbers

[peak ice]

.4% doesn’t seem worth the like, idk bad feels

[dusky yacht]

I'm a dork so I'mma stay no premed

[frank wolf]

Honestly it genuinely isnt even that bad most of the time in m+ ur storming anyway and storm is generating max combo points

Boss fights when u enter without cp feel like shit

[red flame]

Yea bosses is the main drawback

[dusky yacht]

And in raid I'm doing the guidon "one missisippi" thing anyway, might aswell SS VANISH SS GUIDON BACKSTAB COOLDOWNS

[frank wolf]

You guys have guidon?

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/pharrell-happy-song-cause-i'm-happy-it-might-seem-crazy-what-i'm-'bout-to-say-piece-by-piece-gif-2611474076912689826

[frank wolf]

[dusky yacht]

Forward, the no-premedorks of the light!

You guys are gonna feel terrible when I suddenly learn how to play for 5-6 minutes and outparse you by 0.4%!

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rolling-roll-funny-dark-souls-gif-25412731

HU

HUAAAA

HIYAAA

[frank wolf]

Me asking my raid to delay lust a few seconds so i can build

https://tenor.com/view/slv-gld-gif-18076827

[dusky yacht]

[manic glen]

Did they fix the thing where the level of they key also impacts bonus rolls?

[dusky yacht]

huh

[bleak night]

that was never what the bug was

but yes its fixed

[manic glen]

oh, people said "you have to pop bonus rolls on same level of key"

was that just a wive's tale?

[bleak night]

yeah that wouldnt have helped at all

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-seinfeld-80mXWlPqTSU1y

[frank wolf]

Wait what?

Who said that?

[dusky yacht]

@open depot

[bleak night]

the actual bug was items werent being excluded from rolls after you rolled them

[dusky yacht]

Was it you?

[frank wolf]

You need to not hang out around them

[bleak night]

regardless of key level

[open depot]

Hello

[dusky yacht]

What did you tell him

[open depot]

I have been summoned

[manic glen]

My entire guild, but yes you're right I should ignore them

[frank wolf]

Did you just edit old wives tale into wives tale?

[manic glen]

No, I put Tail

UwU

[dusky yacht]

You may leave great one, it appears I was, this one time, mistaken as to your innocence

[open depot]

Bye 👋🏻

[dusky yacht]

(I didn't think he'd actually show up, that was awkward)

(I hope he doesn't kidnap me again)

[frank wolf]

How is rogue the 2nd least played class in wow but has the most popping discord?

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nevermind-e7Fdp0v1fZgti

[manic glen]

Because this is often mistaken for the kink submissive reddit

[long sun]

hellaur

[red flame]

Me making my RL do 15sec pull timers so I start boss w 2 dance charges if I forget to supercharge til rdy check

[long sun]

i come with a question of the sub rogue

[dusky yacht]

Please bestow unto us thine question

And we shall fk up the answer most properly

[frank wolf]

Check the pins reaction ready 🔥

[manic glen]

No, the keys do not need to be the same hope that helps

[graceful portal]

Do we run m+ build and spam BP for the council fight ?

[red flame]

No

[bleak night]

none of the smart people are around

[red flame]

Swap to sin

You don’t play sub on pallies

[long sun]

guys

we cant just prefire answers to my question

[graceful portal]

That confirm my feelings

lmao

[long sun]

i havent asked it yet

[manic glen]

You sub to pallies, don't play sub on pallies

[dusky yacht]

700 haste with guido-

Sorry my bad

Yes?

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/50-cent-whathesaidfuckmefor-fuck50-gif-25306610

[short radish]

[red flame]

Green sin parse > #1 sub parse in world for vanguard

[dusky yacht]

[frank wolf]

No thats not a bug
Yes that thing is a bug

[earnest crane]

hey guys does anyone know why i got only one bouns roll back ?

[dusky yacht]

Yes you must've only spent one before the deadline or .. Something.

[earnest crane]

i used 2

[red flame]

Probably bc the only way you can get duplicates this week is from M+

[earnest crane]

on first day

[frank wolf]

Some people are reporting getting none back - others are saying they were refunded when they hadn’t spent

[earnest crane]

i used 2 on m+

[frank wolf]

Check your mailbox

[red flame]

Yes, but the 1st roll isn’t a dupe.
2nd roll is.
Therefore. Refunded 1 roll

[frank wolf]

Otherwise blizzard something something

[earnest crane]

i got one in mail box

[manic glen]

Yeah I got 3 back on rogue, 2 on dk, none on warrior all done within 2 hours of eachother on launch so... blizzard is the answer :3

[red flame]

That’s actually insane

[dusky yacht]

Those are some fast m+'s

[manic glen]

I spammed 10's because my guild yelled at me saying we'd get dupes on different levels

🙂

[red flame]

That’s what ppl were saying here too

Idk why ppl wouldn’t run them on the same lvl anyways

I mean

Cmon guys it’s a brand new patch day & this is Blizzard

What else do you expect honestly

[frank wolf]

Yeah but now theyve set a new precedent- if this kinda shit gets refunded im FULL SENDING on patch days

[red flame]

This is actually true

[frank wolf]

Might fuck around and send on preys next time

[red flame]

I made my raid wait for me so me & another person spammed delves to get our bonus rolls before chimaerus

We were the only ones who rolled too

& we’re gonna get em refunded hopefully LMAO

[dusky yacht]

My guild had 5 people get mythic gaze on bonus rolls

Including me

[red flame]

unfortunately we’re not on mythic yet & I haven’t tried to pug

I rolled for hero gaze & got clowned for it here bc mythic is puggable ig

[frank wolf]

Good luck getting in without a kill

[red flame]

I didn’t get gaze but my buddy did

[frank wolf]

You need girls with you to get into the club paradox

[red flame]

Real af

[frank wolf]

Job experience required for entry level job paradox

[red flame]

Yes

[dusky yacht]

Is anyone concerned for shindig's welbeing

Is he okay

[frank wolf]

I think shindig is typing

Just a hunch

[final agate]

Maybe

[dusky yacht]

I'm kinda scared of the question, what if we don't even know the answer?! What if it's not in the pins? What if Fuu is on a kayakking adventure?!

[red flame]

Tbf tho I been stuck w champ guidon + plume for weeks now
We’ve had 2 gazes drop across all normals + heros, 1 idr who won & the other our RL won a 100 on & traded to somebody else which pmo

[frank wolf]

This question will change the landscape of subtlety rogue forever

[red flame]

So fk yea ima roll for hero

[frank wolf]

Bro dont

[red flame]

& I’m watching every other dps (mainly lower ones) pull from vault

Like our lowest dps pulled hero gaze from vault early af

🙃

[frank wolf]

Bro youre rolling for a CHANCE at a heroic trinket dont do it

https://tenor.com/view/haaaank-meme-funny-gif-14511381047437346346

[red flame]

When we have bs like RDruid having hero gaze & it aint bis

Yea

No chance I’m getting hero plume

I was lucky af getting the champ

Actually I rolled for plume out of spite for gaze

& hit the 93 on it

[bleak night]

there is no precendent, they do what they want each time

they never refunded crests from recraft bug still

[red flame]

To replace a champ delve trinket w champ plume too ^^

fuck it

[bleak night]

its just a case by case basis

[hybrid schooner]

I had my gaze stolen when I rolled 95 by a 99 priest.

[red flame]

I was so mad when I saw the 100 roll

[frank wolf]

But the difference is this time i get to be angry if they dont

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-black-guy-tap-head-gif-27536171

[red flame]

BM hunter roll 100 to trade to RDruid or Arms Warr (99.99% positive on this) 😭

[final agate]

And he probably didn't need it

[red flame]

Bis for none of those but arms

[frank wolf]

Arms in raid

[hybrid schooner]

Extra good feel when you run a casual guild that doesn’t do loot council and the dps who barely surpass tanks win the gaze rolls.

[red flame]

Yep & trying to steal my guidon too 😭 or at least from what I remember

[hybrid schooner]

[frank wolf]

This is the same in pugs btw

[red flame]

Yea we’re not too far off from me pushing for RC ngl

[frank wolf]

If you bot dps OR die immediately you are guaranteed to win gaze

[dusky yacht]

I'm gonna watch the rest of Shogun while I wait for shindig's question

[red flame]

I’m tired of ts

[hybrid schooner]

Then they say “I need this so I can catch up to you guys” 💀

[long sun]

when satisfying the condition in the image, and using every other dance + sectec together on cd - it seems like we overcap dance charges before every subsequent shadowblades press, 10s before blades is off cd. If we sit on this dance + sectec and wait to use them to sync up with blades - this same 10s hold will occur before every subsequent blades press.

so, over a 6:30 fight or something, that's effectively 40s of lost shadow dance cd, or 2 full dances.

assuming we NEED to press blades on cd - is it ever correct to send a non-sectec dance to benefit from this otherwise unused dance cd time?

[frank wolf]

Treating ts like an exam question

[red flame]

I deadass need like gaze, guidon & chain til we start mythic
I’m not tryna lose rolls to shitters when I don’t need anything else & you got mfs rolling for everything else
Like if I haven’t got a piece of gear in weeks then immediately lose on 1 of 3 items I need, maby we should RC

[long sun]

rogue SAT gogogo

[dusky yacht]

I actually ran into this problem myself, one possible solution I found is to just use blades and the dance you got and then sectec in the middle of it and "f the double sectec"

But I am not sure if it's optimal

It was more like "What can I do"

[final agate]

Yoru and I share the braincell.

[dusky yacht]

We are Dogue.

[final agate]

Basically what I do. I try and line 'em up but fuck it. No sense in sitting on it.

[dusky yacht]

Yeah those 10 seconds feel awkward as hell

[long sun]

so 10s prior, you would go

dance + sectec

blades:
dance + blades (no sectec)
dance + sectec

[short radish]

i have been because ive noticed i need to sit on sdance for 20 seconds anyway

[dusky yacht]

Yeah so cooldown remaining on the sectec is like 10 sec roughly right

Or basically exactly

You have blades up and dance up

[long sun]

that does make sense. i have also done this before and i also dont know if its optimal

[dusky yacht]

guidon -> blades -> dance -> send it -> sectec somewhere in the middle

[sharp seal]

Is this live already?

[short radish]

my logic is - im not losing any casts

[molten citrus]

yes

[short radish]

of both sdance

and sectech

so if im not losing anythign i can only gain

[red flame]

Did ppl really bitch abt the smoke this bad? 😭

[long sun]

the downside is u get one less sectec inside your blades window though

[dusky yacht]

Also standing there for 10 extra sec can't possibly be better for DPS than just using your abilities I mean this is 10 full seconds of 2 major cooldowns up

[long sun]

and not having sectec off rip means not having higher uptime of flawless form and stuff

trickster stuff

[sharp seal]

Nobody cares in my community, was asking about 30 energy mainly

[dusky yacht]

However

Doesn't this mean that later on

It will line up perfectly again

[red flame]

Oh yea I figured

[dusky yacht]

That was also my reasoning

[red flame]

It’s just wild to me

Bc yea I haven’t seen anybody care at all

Or move mobs out or anything

[peak ice]

might have been slowing down toaster pcs?

[red flame]

It’s not even distracting or bad like Defile was, you can still see right through it

[red flame]

Fuck em, it’s 2026

https://tenor.com/view/upgrade-ben10-gif-27429088

[long sun]

also with smoke bomb change our cds are amplified so maybe there's more merit in optimizing the value of ur cds as opposed to getting additional dances at the expense of slightly worse cd uses

[dusky yacht]

I really don't think that the sectec is worth sitting on to that extent

Like sectec amazing yes but

Blades + dance

Idk man

[long sun]

neither do i but i appreciate the feedback that is a good suggestion

[peak ice]

when looking for the 700 haste

[long sun]

i wonder what is optimal

[peak ice]

do you count oils?

[dusky yacht]

Me too

[peak ice]

or is it 700 before any buffs

[dusky yacht]

I could ask fuu when I see them around

[final agate]

Ye

Was about to say, fuu might have some insight.

[hazy breach]

That shouldn't really be the case

[dusky yacht]

It is though, when following the rotation guide, I always end up with sectec 10 sec cooldown, blades up and 1 dance charge up

So then you either wait 10 sec for sectec and another charge or you just send it

Rotation guide says wait

[hazy breach]

But you're not capping dance charges

[dusky yacht]

Waiot

I took a screenshot while dummy training

[red flame]

If it’s less than 10secs you hold

[dusky yacht]

I get into this situation every single time I do the rotation in my 5 min dummy sessions

[red flame]

Ideally you want 2 dances in blades also

[peak ice]

just wait?

[red flame]

So I mean

Wait

Lol

[dusky yacht]

I mean I took the screenshot perhaps a second too late

[peak ice]

so 2 dances and sec

both come up in 9seconds roughly

[dusky yacht]

So the optimal play is to wait those 10 seconds?

[peak ice]

yes

[red flame]

Yes

If it’s 10 or less

Wait

[dusky yacht]

Christ

[peak ice]

or else it all goes weird

burst "window"

[red flame]

You literally do nothing outside cd’s anyways

So waiting doesn’t matter

[shadow urchin]

Whole point was that in this example blades are sent on cd due to boss requiring it.

So cant delay

[frank wolf]

You’re losing some “uptime” but you’re not overcapping charges

Do you really ever NOT wait?

[peak ice]

which boss requires u to send blades?

[red flame]

Fr tho

[frank wolf]

Also how often is this “desync” practically happening?

[red flame]

What are they even on abt lmao

[shadow urchin]

Idno. But if you read the og question.

[dusky yacht]

I mean

[peak ice]

Don't cast blades without 2 dances and sec

[dusky yacht]

I can go to training dummy, do my session and tell you

Want me to?

[red flame]

It’s really this easy

If you really don’t wanna wait til you have 2 charges of dance first you can send the 1st when theres like 5secs or left on the 2nd charge

& you’ll have another dance when the 1st ends

[dusky yacht]

Ah but this changes the optimal thing already though

[frank wolf]

You just need to have dance for the last 8s

[red flame]

Yep

[warm marlin]

doesnt this only happen without guidon

[dusky yacht]

Then you're casting blades without 2 dances, and no, I have myth guidon

So the true optimal thing here

Is to find the sweetspot where the charge will fill for the second dance?

[frank wolf]

I usually send blades without 2 dances

My second dance comes up within last 8 of blades

[long sun]

i was reviewing a vod and it was happening

[red flame]

1 charge + 5secs left on 2nd charge if you really wanna send before 2 charges

[long sun]

it happens with guidon outside of lust i believe

[shadow urchin]

We talking lura lust timing with 6 mins here?

[dusky yacht]

Look at the screenshot guys this is the situation

[warm marlin]

I just rewatched my vod from averzian this week where i just sent on boss on cd

[dusky yacht]

It happens way before 6 min

I do 5 min dummy sessions

[peak ice]

feel like ur just gonna put urself into an odd situation where youre waiting on dance ot end so you can blade and dance

[warm marlin]

every blades after first i have 10s until my second charge of dance comes up when i press blades

[peak ice]

instead of just waiting 8 seconds

[frank wolf]

You wait for sectec

Even without guidon if you have enough haste you can fit 2 tecs in blades

[long sun]

can i see vod?

[dusky yacht]

But his question is if that's confirmed optimal or not, and if so, there is no mention of this particular situation in any guide nor pin, so I do not think it's a bad question personally.

[red flame]

This is what I was referring to by waiting 5 more secs & then sending cd’s

So by the time 1st dance ends 2nd charge is up

[dusky yacht]

But if you do that then you are not fitting in 2 sectecs with guidon

So

We wait then

That seems to be the play

[frank wolf]

Maybe its more pertinent for raid, because in m+ theres practical downtime that gives your cds time to sync anyway

[dusky yacht]

I am talking about raid/ST yes.

In m+ I do not run into this situation at all.

[frank wolf]

Even then, what fight is it worth sending on rather than concatenating your burst into a more efficient window?

[runic elm]

is there any good guides to reccomend / vids, on sub rogue, im new and not sure if im playing it correctly tbh

[dusky yacht]

If you have <10 seconds of fighting left, it is mathematically impossible for waiting to be better, although yes that is completely silly to say but that is one case where it could be true

I understand if this seems a weird or stupid question but it was genuinely confusing me a bit while practicing my rotation so I find his question very relatable

If the play is to wait, then we wait

[frank wolf]

No I agree that the question makes sense^^

[red flame]

If you have less than 10secs of boss health left obviously don’t hold it you’d even dry sectec if the boss is 1% lmaooo

[warm marlin]

uhh vod is the wrong term its just a recorded file

but these are dance casts

[dusky yacht]

Haha yeah, obviously, but that was just me trying to point out that there may be a reason why you'd want to not wait..

[frank wolf]

I just think sectec is a major part of what warrants our blades and dance

[peak ice]

I like dalaran gaming on youtube but im not 100% sure if its like up to date with all this stuff

[red flame]

Well yes obviously in that scenario

But the scenarios where you don’t hold like that are obvious

Otherwise yes hold if 10secs or less

[dusky yacht]

Yeah, understandable, maybe I was just too eager to try and keep up with the sim dps while comparing my own to it.

[frank wolf]

Unironically shindigs video SHAMELESS ICANT PAID CHATTER

[red flame]

Sim dps is a robot playing absolutely perfectly

The reason we get so much haste is because we are human not a robot

Sims doesn’t use our haste breakpoint

[dusky yacht]

BUT IM SO CLOSE

Just let me beat the bastard

[frank wolf]

I actually think this btw

[runic elm]

thank you ill check him out , @peak ice thx too i saw his vid earlier wasnt sure if its outdated or not

[red flame]

I don’t even pay attention to sim dps bc of the haste thing

[peak ice]

Its got most of it, 90% there so it should be good start

[warm marlin]

but i dont really see how you would overcap dance charges unless you hold sectec at some point

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I mean honestly don't get me wrong, your position is correct and I'm just being impatient and giddy to DPS moar.

[red flame]

I only use it for testing the difference between gear or w/e but not looking at the total dps

Just the difference

[frank wolf]

That is the only way which you can overcap dance

[dusky yacht]

You won't, they fill up almost on the exact same time, however, there is a point in time in the rotation where you're staring at blades and dance and going "hmmm", at least I am.

[red flame]

Valid take

More dps >

[dusky yacht]

[warm marlin]

once you have guidon every dance has a sectec attached, and sectec cd is very slightly lower

[frank wolf]

“Once”? Try “if you ever” bud

[dusky yacht]

I have guidon. This screenshot is during a 5 min training dummy session where I am within 95-99% of sim DPS consistently.

That is the moment where I go "hmm.;"

But okay, I understand now, thanks guys.

[frank wolf]

This is the moment where you backstab several times

[dusky yacht]

NOT AGAIN

[long sun]

i think for the hypothetical example im making up here blades needs to be cast every 1:30. if you delay it at all like in your case it seems you delay your 3rd blades ~14s, the example breaks down

the key point here is we need to be pressing blades on cd, every 1:30

[dusky yacht]

Yeah so what they are saying is

You take the 10 second "loss" on blades CD

For a bigger "gain" during blades CD

[red flame]

Yes

[dusky yacht]

It is optimal ultimately it just hurts like hell.

[long sun]

sure - but what happens if the boss fight is 6:30

or 5:00

[warm marlin]

i overdelayed the 3rd blades only needed to hold it for like 6s

[dusky yacht]

Then you send it, because if boss is about to die, why not send it?

[warm marlin]

but ye i get ur point

[red flame]

Sub ideally plays w perfect cd usage
Not necessarily using them the very millisecond they’re up, but using cd’s correctly

Stacking cd’s

[raw pebble]

Btw. Possibly dumb question but how much variance does the haste breakpoint(with guidon) is considered acceptable?
Just doing some sims and on ST patch it puts my best gear on 640 haste(with oils and stuff), any other piece which puts me close to 700 haste(at the expense of mastery) sims considers a downgrade.

[warm marlin]

was first raid pull with new smoke bomb and forgot i had to pool to 60 energy

[dusky yacht]

684 haste iirc

I'm at 687 with oils this is why I paid attention when somebody mentioned that number

[frank wolf]

God thats so crazy i have to gear like such a chud bc i dont have this goddamn trinket

Imagine the amount of haste i can drop if i had it

[red flame]

Sims doesn’t care for haste it’s a robot

[lilac stag]

Go with the 700

[peak ice]

684 after oils?

[warm marlin]

the second blades was only delayed like 2s, the opener was just slow with no premed

[dusky yacht]

I am only using 687 after oils because I am still looking for a haste piece that is decent enough to use.

[warm marlin]

but even then you are going towards no dance charges

probably need to send a raw sectec between 3rd/4th blades

[long sun]

well no - the point im making is dependent on the boss timer, you might need to press blades on cd to squeeze one final blades in at the end of the fight. and if that's true, how do you handle that situation

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) percent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[manic glen]

Sim yourself, but don't listen to the sims, but also, listen to the sims...

[long sun]

yeah - i think the 2nd blades press is actually fine. no issues with overlaps. but 3rd and onwards is cooked

[dusky yacht]

[warm marlin]

on a longer fight you eventually get squeezed by the cd difference between sectec and dance especially during guidon

have to send raw sectec to fix your dance charges

[quaint breach]

Premed fix ingame now?

[frank wolf]

Its not a bug

[strong shoal]

i joined this raid group and said i'd kiss everyone if i got the trinket

[red flame]

Exactly the msg you replied to 😭
if the boss is about to die, send it

[strong shoal]

i didnt kiss them and i left

[junior marsh]

Another dumb question, are we still using pbox for m+ or guideon now? I saw some sub rogues on murlok io with guideon and i was confused af

[dusky yacht]

Ninjakissed

[warm marlin]

I would know a bit more from lura but uhh we are a pirate

[lilac stag]

Get kissing slut

[quaint breach]

Trickster: Fixed an issue that caused Cloud Cover’s effect to cost 30 Energy to activate

Blue post, what am I missing

[long sun]

that wasn't my question that was an assumption i made from the first msg i wrote

[frank wolf]

You asked if premed was fixed

[lilac stag]

That’s cloud cover. Not premed.

[manic glen]

Oi cobbah, does blackjack only work on primary target for blind, or will it work for everyone hit by the AoE blind? fuck knows what's happening because I can't track any debuff on targets with new frames

[strong shoal]

premed has issues?

[quaint breach]

Well duh yea

[frank wolf]

No

[lilac stag]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[red flame]

“If thats true how do you handle the situation?”
You send it.

[long sun]

the issue though is we're overcapping dances, so a raw sectec doesn't accomplish anything

[quaint breach]

So then we are good to take premed without dps loss again I assume

[long sun]

oh i see what your saying now

[dusky yacht]

I think the dance doesn't actually overcap there

Or shouldn't

[red flame]

If you’re overcapping cd’s that’s bad

[long sun]

but how do you know?

[red flame]

Know what exactly

Like if you’re supposed to send or ?

[warm marlin]

i havent actually hit anything st for 6mins yet but in theory you should be running out of dance charges, not overcapping though was my point. sectec cd is shorter than dance, if you cast them together you will run out of dance charges because you're sectec dancing more often than every 20s

[long sun]

that overcapping is worse than 2 sectecs in cds?

[frank wolf]

Hey is premed fixed?

Premed isnt bugged

“Shadow blades got fixed” what am i missing?

You asked if premed was bugged

Well duh yeah

Bait or?

Call it.

[quaint breach]

Lmao

[red flame]

[dusky yacht]

You want to stack your cds as much as possible, even if it means holding onto them. That's what they're saying. However, if this exact situation happens on low boss HP, just use your cooldowns.

[quaint breach]

Thought context was clear considering dropping premed was a thing. Guess not

[lilac stag]

Premed is a dps loss

[hazy breach]

Assuming you have uptime all the time you can probably get a little bit of extra haste. That way you dont have to wait a few seconds for sectech to be ready when blades comes up

[short radish]

the premed isn't technically a bug, it is a feature by design

[long sun]

i see, w reading comprehension

[frank wolf]

Premeditation is currently a <1% dps loss due to an intended interaction with our apex talent does that answer your inquiry 😄

[warm marlin]

like the reason my 3rd blades was delayed in that log a bit was because i was starting to run out of dance charges

[ashen ibex]

is smoke fixed?

feels like it is or?

[lucid jackal]

it is

[ashen ibex]

bonkers

[long sun]

yeah that makes sense but in practice it doesn't playout that way and im not sur ewhy

[manic glen]

It's not only fixed, we get invited back into groups because we no longer blind the entire group with smoke

[long sun]

ya exactly

wait no

[warm marlin]

@short radish youve been sub grinding right

[short radish]

yeah i find i've always had to send a naked sectech somewhere if i'm pressing everything off cooldown

[lilac stag]

Energy use fixed. No one else can see it now.

[long sun]

that's the opposite of what i was saying lol

[manic glen]

bump

[short radish]

yeah but no guidon

[warm marlin]

[short radish]

so my haste has been very static

[lilac stag]

Next week. For sure.

[frank wolf]

My tanks had just learned to keep mobs in it and now they cant see it

[short radish]

nah i have it now

i've just done one boss with guidon

[warm marlin]

cd timings are so cursed without it

[red flame]

Me with gaze

[dusky yacht]

Goddamn I need some sleep, I was gonna go to voidstorm and autism check if I did everything for decimus (for prolly the third time this week) but forgot what I was gonna do when I tried to clarify for shindig lmao

[short radish]

so i can't comment too hard on the timings over a boss fight with guidon

[long sun]

that makes sense, but in vod i was looking at they had fairly normal levels of haste

[lilac stag]

What are we considering a normal level

[hazy breach]

Huh

[dusky yacht]

I think it's a mistake I have been making, just sending those cooldowns instead of holding onto them so they "reset" to double sectec in blades.

[lucid jackal]

I just be pressing buttons 💯

[long sun]

i think i need to see more povs of rogus pressing blades on cd to answer this q tbh

[dusky yacht]

Yes but you're over the bell curve, we're in the middle panicking bro

[short radish]

just to confirm this is with guidon correct?

[long sun]

ya

[short radish]

kk

[abstract cosmos]

whys assa insane in the dps score rn compared to sub and outlaw

[long sun]

700 haste

[short radish]

generally the advice of "send shit on cd" is good, but there should always be some consideration on fight timings whether holding a bit leads to more optimal casts

[hazy breach]

Most probably arent as we generally have stuff lining up at like 1:35-1:40ish. Which is why im saying you can get like 800-850 haste and it will line up closer to 1:30. Even sim agrees if i set the timer to be exactly 110/200 seconds without BL

[warm marlin]

normally I would have a good vod to reference but there isnt really any 5min+ st fight where you dont hold anything

[short radish]

ye nothing is gonna live 6+ anymore that's a ST fight

[long sun]

ahhh i understand now. ok thanks that makes sense

[dusky yacht]

Yeah, I mean I'm not even sure if I'm actually making the mistake in raid, maybe it lines up more because I'm "focusing on interrupting the add" or "running to the adds" or "trying not to die"

[vale pine]

Cloud cover was fixed:
Note: it seems like the cloud cover buff refreshes once the smoke bomb runs out, so you don't need to manually do so.

[short radish]

except crown maybe, but that's not really applicable here

[frigid light]

niceee hype

no more energy consumption

[warm marlin]

nah crown has the downtime

[short radish]

or lura i guess but how many people are progging that atm

yeah crown is a different case

[warm marlin]

and real gamers are outlaw on lura

[obsidian crag]

its back

[lilac stag]

Pirates trying to take over Lura

[dusky yacht]

Wait this won't cover vorasius soaks right

[short radish]

i didn't get weap from saladbar so i'm safe from outlaw prison for another week

[warm marlin]

i also held second p3 blades on alleria for the second add set

[hazy breach]

And generally if sectech is ready and dance isnt and has >10s cd, just rip the natty sectech so it lines up better in the future

[vale pine]

the visuals are likely not changed, i can login in a moment and check

[long sun]

i don't think it has to be a ST fight. just any fight that has an end time that requires u press blades on cd to get an xtra one off at the end

[vale pine]

its just not visible for your group members now

in m+ or outdoor content

[dusky yacht]

So they fixed the m+ part, what about in raid?

I guess it'll be same as last raid

I'm just stupid it should be fine then

[short radish]

vorasius in 3 weeks ig

i wonder what fastest kill on that is now

because the other fights have some minor holding of sectech anyway

to align with add spawns

[hazy breach]

But generally we are better off skipping that extra haste and getting some other stats and tanking a ~6s delay on our blades cd

Obviously if the boss requires it to be send on cd exactly then you cant

[long sun]

i mean - another answer to this would be that its never worth using blades every 1:30 even if it means we lose one, if we have better lineups on a 1:35 or 1:40 timer

[dusky yacht]

Has anyone had any issues with seeing stuff on the ground in cloud cover at all?

[short radish]

yes. swirlies are hard to see

[lilac stag]

insert we love haste breakpoints meme here

[short radish]

MT has some really bad ones

[frank wolf]

Yes you’re guaranteed to step into lynx freeze trap in WS

Its inevitable

[dusky yacht]

Maybe it's save cloak for cloud cover angle lmao

[long sun]

ok w this is what i assumed which i actually didnt know to be true

[hazy breach]

But obviously some bosses youre gonna be fine with the 1:30 anyway sometimes because theres some downtime at points

[short radish]

this is now feelycraft but i don't think it's ever worth losing a sblade cast with how much burst it does now

[hazy breach]

So its not that straightforward

[short radish]

you'd rather lose a cast somewhere else of sectech

[hazy breach]

Def better to lose a dance cast than a blades cast though yeah

[short radish]

but this is also starting to get into the territory of "it depends"

and blanket rules can't apply because there's too many variables

[dusky yacht]

This is true though

[hazy breach]

Can we remove the haste scaling for sectech thx

[manic glen]

@vale pine any chance you know if blackjack applies the debuff to primary target or all hit by AoE blind?

[short radish]

just remove haste from sub and go back to vers please

[hazy breach]

It applies to all of them. But they must be able to be blinded

[dusky yacht]

Like it's a "problem" when I'm doing tummy training but when I'm in an actual raid I'm almost never in that exact situation

[lilac stag]

What if casting on CD lines up with a bad mechanic overlap to force staying in cloud cover issues.

[short radish]

that's what cheat death is for

[obsidian crag]

i used my bonus rolls on skyreach, if i go there again and use these coins, can i get dupes or nah?

[short radish]

yes

[hazy breach]

Keep in mind you cant apply it to bosses or big mobs. As if they are immune to blind to begin with the debuff wont every apply

[lilac stag]

already used on the first one.

[short radish]

feint and pray then

[dusky yacht]

whistles innocently

[hazy breach]

So generally its not nearly as useful as it might seem, especially compared to permanent tricks

[manic glen]

but if the small adds around boss get hit, then it does? or if primary is immune they all immune?

[hazy breach]

Yes the smallies get it anyway

[frank wolf]

What kind of heretic runs elusiveness

[hazy breach]

But typically the smallies arent the dangerous ones

[long sun]

also is nimble flurry an aoe around you or your target

[hazy breach]

You

[dusky yacht]

I have converted why dost thou prosecute me

[manic glen]

yeah it's more for bleed birds in SR

[short radish]

Me on SR praying to live

[hazy breach]

Bladetalons? Arent those considered lieutenants so theyre immune to blind?

[olive canyon]

I run elusiveness quite a bit now on higher keys

just feels safer on so much bs

[dusky yacht]

Aight now that I've failed to answer Shindig's question because it confused me aswell, I'm gonna go and get some rest while I can

[short radish]

Yeah you need it on higher stuff

[lilac stag]

Enjoy death by cloud cover.

[olive canyon]

Thus far i have no deaths to it, but MC got a bit dicey at a given moment

[red flame]

Me

Imagine using cheat

[olive canyon]

I also switch between assa and sub a lot

[hazy breach]

The robot sucks hurt so much man

[frank wolf]

Im imagining it

Im cumming

[hazy breach]

Once vanish and cloak are gone youre just praying

[short radish]

Bro that entire room is just pray

[lilac stag]

The amount of focusing on the ground my blind ass needs to do is comical.

[steel zinc]

What was the tech for mainland using something other then oil?

[short radish]

Almost tempted to run double vanish

[hazy breach]

Adamantite

[manic glen]

nah the searing chak's dont they do it?

[steel zinc]

Ty just st or cleave too?

[junior marsh]

I was checking on murlok io some higher rio rogues and i see most of them are going for like 1k+ crit and not prio much mastery now like before and not taking powder talent, is this the way 2 go now?

[frank wolf]

No potent powders in m+?!

[hazy breach]

Everything

[junior marsh]

Exactly, and guideon over pbox

[hazy breach]

Thats just their raid talents

[lilac stag]

In keys? Look at the comp. Crit will be more boss dmg focus.

[hazy breach]

Which is why murlok is useless

[lilac stag]

or as eleem said what they logged out in

[junior marsh]

need to recheck on raider.io

[frank wolf]

Guidon over pbox makes sense its perfectly aligned with blades but no potent powders is impossible in m+

[hazy breach]

Raider.io also gets it wrong fairly often

[lilac stag]

idk why anyone would knowingly drop pp in keys

[vale pine]

3rd party services scrap the armory

and the armory shows what you use when you log out

thats why you see single target talents on r.io or other sites

[hazy breach]

My recommendation is to play guidon anyway as youll be going too deep into mastery dminishing returns with puzzlebox+secondary pot

[frank wolf]

Because top players are ending their nights doing ST?

[cedar sapphire]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[frank wolf]

Dont we use agi pot and crit flask?

[rustic raven]

Well. Ending their nights with raid

[hazy breach]

Per the #subtlety-faq

[frank wolf]

What if reck gives me crit now instead of mast

[olive canyon]

are most rub rogues in M+ running the reckless pot over potential?

[alpine wraith]

reckless is kinda decent in m+ because you have more range of movement

in raid it can be danger

[hazy breach]

Not reckless abandon

Potion of recklessness

[alpine wraith]

the one that gives extra main stat right

[hazy breach]

No

secondary

[alpine wraith]

ah that other one

[frank wolf]

Highest secondary

[alpine wraith]

yea that one can be funny if you use it after guidon

and you get haste

[hazy breach]

Well then its not giving mastery, and thus the recommendation in the faq does not apply

[short radish]

20 second sdance

[hazy breach]

Yeah its really fucking bad

Been there done that

-150k opener just for fun

[frank wolf]

Is it crazy to have more crit than mast

[hazy breach]

Cant even supercharge your second sectech

[frank wolf]

Did i get too excited w the recrafts

[red flame]

I think mine are roughly equal

Or close at least

[hazy breach]

And youre capped on dance charges immediately once your first dance falls off

[frank wolf]

I think mine are too no meme

[short radish]

30 seconds of dance wooooooo

[red flame]

Ima log on & see what my stats are

[hazy breach]

Dont think we can get that far, but 20 is feasible

[olive canyon]

anyone try m_+ with TFD and premed over veiltouched and ephemeral

[short radish]

Yes to tfd and vt

[frank wolf]

Premed yes tfd no

[olive canyon]

what did u drop to take tfd if not veiltouched?

[red flame]

29% Crit (987)
64% Mastery (832)

is what i have

[frank wolf]

Send character panel

29% is fucking insane

[olive canyon]

what did you drop to take both tfd and vt

[frank wolf]

Bro no way you WANT to keep running tfd

[frank wolf]

Yeah nevermind i was conservative with the recraft

[olive canyon]

i havent tried it yet

[frank wolf]

You guys went full gamestop w the crit

[frank wolf]

Havent tried running it or not running it?

[sly shore]

unbuffed hehe

[final copper]

migth be a dumb question, puzzlebox is alternative BIS for us, right? If I have gaze(Hc) and puzzlebox myth track, theres no point for me trying to get LCG on mythic? rather try and get gaze on mythic with bonus rolls?

[red flame]

AYO I got all 3 cores back

[olive canyon]

havent trried tfd yet

[frank wolf]

Bro 29 is insane what - W or L in m+?

[lilac stag]

Guidon is just better overall. We’re a 90 second spec. Not a 2 minute. Try to get it on heroic even.

[frank wolf]

Dont its shit and pug tanks will not let you benefit from it

[short radish]

No i took tfd and dropped vt

[red flame]

no clue tbh

Also I just use raid talents generally & do fine on aoe & absolutely fucking crank on bosses

[frank wolf]

And ur still running crit flask and phoenix oils im assuming?

[red flame]

Ye

Sometimes I double other dps boss dmg

[frank wolf]

Bro crits on every other attack

[red flame]

& aoe is ehh

But goddamn the boss dmg feels good

🙂

[frank wolf]

Kinda based lowk

Making me wanna send rolls on pit

[red flame]

If only I could get Gaze

[frank wolf]

If only i could get gaze / guidon / not run crucible

[red flame]

I still have yet to figure out how to even get crucible

Thank fuck it sims lower than champ plume

[sly shore]

I need mythic guidon

[frank wolf]

The raiders are on today

[frank wolf]

My shit has crucible simming higher than myth solarflare

[red flame]

That’s wild

Hero solarflare sims worse than champ plume too xd

For me

[lilac stag]

Crucible is very good for sub

[frank wolf]

Solarflare is ahh lowkey

[red flame]

Should it be simming higher than champ plume or nah

Idr the actual difference but ik it was worse

[lilac stag]

Likely it should. Depends how mastery starved you are I’d guess.

[frank wolf]

It probably doesnt for you bc you have 3 billion crit

[sly shore]

that's over myth as well lol

[red flame]

64% or 832 rating

If that tells you anything

[lilac stag]

It tells me nothing.

[sly shore]

bro u seen this goat

[red flame]

Fair nuff

[sly shore]

look how tiny it is

[frank wolf]

The period at the end is ominous

[hazy breach]

Guidon is better than puzzlebox

[frank wolf]

And emits a very evil aura

[short radish]

shrinka gang gang

oh wait what

thats not shrinka?

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZyptoPower-crypto-bullish-zypt0-3qKs2fWAFDCJQmndSt

[red flame]

I wonder if I had crit flask still active or smt bc I’m noticing it says 26% in the ss

[sly shore]

na that's the mount

[short radish]

how is it so smol

[frank wolf]

That or weapon oils

[short radish]

what is this

[final copper]

thanks, I see it's a 0.5% gain if its hero track and 0.8% gain if its myth track compared to puzzlebox, so I guess I'll fish for that

[short radish]

i need it

[red flame]

When I checked before ss it was defo 29%

[alpine wraith]

there is also a funny one with the vrykul

[manic glen]

what mount is that?

[lilac stag]

Which Mount?

[sly shore]

Little Red Riding Goat

[red flame]

Base w/o flask or oil is 26% or 632

[short radish]

FUCK

[red flame]

Had to be that

[frank wolf]

Still a lot, im ~550

[brisk onyx]

🥳

[manic glen]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[red flame]

Both my rings are high crit

Wedding Ring & Occlusion

Could be that

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/nic-cage-nicolas-cage-con-air-freedom-sunshine-gif-11101284117173771733

[red flame]

I wonder how pissed my guild’s gonna be when they see I got all 3 rolls back after spending them imagine holding them fr

Free myth gear is the best gear

[manic glen]

losers lose

[red flame]

🔥

[light finch]

imagine you roll 3 x the same items again

[red flame]

You can’t get duplicates if you roll in different places

Outsmart the bugged system

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[manic glen]

4 rolls used in skyreach, no weapon.... gottem next week

[red flame]

Next week for sure

[obsidian crag]

Assuming no new bugs are found

[red flame]

I got lucky w Pit dagger in vault few weeks ago

[manic glen]

oh wait no... the previous were bugged and didnt count for loot pool right?

... Next... Next week!

[red flame]

You’ll get dagger when I get Gaze trust the process

Next week we eat like kings

[manic glen]

I got fed the heroic gaze at least by guild

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-9828766681290374907

[red flame]

Mbn 😢

[manic glen]

ST and Dungeon Slice - over equipped myth puzzle.... I might be accepting the 0.2% loss not not have giga cursed opener

[red flame]

Pbox isnt too bad w premed imo, although the cast does suck

I actually could not imagine running PBox & no premed 😭

You’d have to absolutely fucking hate yourself

[manic glen]

It's depressing

Don't start the fight it feels till 15 seconds in

hero is already gone

[twin quartz]

Casting a trinket is cringe

[manic glen]

life flashes before my eyes

[red flame]

Jfc 😭

[manic glen]

dooming a little bit, it's not that bad but definitely should just premed

[lilac stag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

[grim wasp]

Smokebomb feels like a nerf

I play on graphic at 2 and i cant see stuffs on the ground with smokebomb

[somber sun]

well was kinda before

in terms of qol with that extra energy

[vast echo]

turn graphics to 3 ez

[sullen bridge]

quick question from ADHD brain that space out during long texts? Why is crit suddenly good and are we using crit flask in m+ aswell?

[somber sun]

also just guess

dw

[golden totem]

New talent buffs crit dmg, so crit is better than before

[red flame]

When mobs have 3 stacks on them all the Fazed buffing effects in the trickster tree are tripled, which means +24% damage done, +150% critical strike damage on generators and -15% damage taken.

Because of this powerful effect there's some new recommendation for talents to utilize the large additional burst during Shadow Blades, most of which center around leveraging the massive crit damage of Shadowstrike as they hit VERY hard when they crit.

copied the relevant part

[golden totem]

Mastery still good tho

[red flame]

yea

crit is about equal now i believe

but obv mastery still important

[sullen bridge]

Thank you ❤️

[hazy breach]

Mastery still king in aoe

[red flame]

& yes crit flask unless you have to use haste bc you dont reach breakpoint

[hazy breach]

But for pure ST go more crit yes

[red flame]

otherwise always crit

[hazy breach]

All after reaching your haste breakpoint

[eternal light]

!prekey

[red flame]

just dance before key or pull timer for boss

[eternal light]

Oh thats all? Thx

[red flame]

ye

dance supercharges & gives rotten stacks

[hazy breach]

rotten is very whatever on pull fwiw

[red flame]

ye its mainly for supercharge

rotten is just byproduct of casting dance if ur talented into it

always supercharge before pull tho i.e. dance before timer or key

extra ~1% dmg

[somber sun]

Wait, can you actually go back now and spend the bonus rolls on a boss you already killed ?

[red flame]

i have no clue if you can bonus roll bosses you alr killed that week

but that would be cool

[somber sun]

Ill try that for you boss

watch gaze dropping first try

[hazy breach]

Pretty sure you can, but obviously you cannot do mythic bosses again. Only hc

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/yanatwt-gif-22814884

[somber sun]

yeah, can't even do mythic in the first place

[red flame]

hoping my guild starts mythic chim prog soon

doubtful tho but we'll see

[somber sun]

chim mythic is pretty doable ngl

[frank wolf]

Finna apply to your guild and compete for your spot in raid

[red flame]

thankfully im the Uncle Ruckus of rogues

i try not to let another one within 500ft of me

unfort we do have another rogue who raids w us sometimes tho (he was in guild before i joined but he only aotc raided & not mythic last xpac) but hes been running norm/hc with us but doubtful hes coming to mythic whenever we start

but idk

surely not bc you dont double on rogue in myth

[frank wolf]

I had to #gquit the old guild bc they wouldnt even single rogue on mythic

[red flame]

i would too

thankfully im the token atro & an officer now so im defo getting a spot

also it helps drastically other rogue is sin main & im sub

not that it matters realistically but it does to me 100%

[abstract cosmos]

completed the dreamrift last night with a pup it wasnt hard at all as long as ur group listens

[somber sun]

yeah works

I dont think I can go outside after rolling double bis trinkets

random truck gonna hit me or sum

[dusty quartz]

has anyone worked out the best dungeon statistically to roll some useful gear with the voidcores?

[somber sun]

ngl, try your luck in skyreach

dagger, cloak

and maybe trinket

[hazy breach]

It all depends on what you currently have

[lilac stag]

Entirely depends on what you need. Info is listed in the guides as a general suggestion

[hazy breach]

But its almost surely one of skyreach, nexus point or pit

[dusty quartz]

ok great thanks will give it a look - I only have a myth trinket atm 🙂

[hazy breach]

Could be worth using both coins for a mythic gaze too if thats available to you

[lilac stag]

Likely one of the dagger dungeons then

[tribal blade]

you really want to get a myth track dagger before the ilvl boost hits

first thing we'll be upgrading is dagger

[void ocean]

R we sure we wont be able to boost crafted one?

[hazy breach]

You can

[void ocean]

My idea is to save rolls untill i have enough to empty the table 😂

[hazy breach]

why

Then you have to spam the fuck out of a dungeon

[vale osprey]

That's only like next week for most dungeons with bad vault luck

[red flame]

i spent my 3 & then just got them refunded when i logged on earlier

[fossil forge]

Did they refund eu voidcores yet?

[vale osprey]

Yeah

[fossil forge]

big

i can go gamba

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-xqc-gambling-addict-777-gif-25803752

[steady dune]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[void ocean]

Why?

[hazy breach]

If you want to roll 5 times

You have to do the dungeon 5 times

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[void ocean]

U cant roll all at once?

[hazy breach]

No

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

[hazy breach]

Its 1 per kill/dungeon

[void ocean]

Daym

[fossil forge]

Bro thought

[red flame]

LMAO fr tho

[maiden gale]

So eh you know how they refunded the reroll thingy ? I only used one before fix so I got 1, went to skyreach, rerolled, got the same boots i got with bonus reroll yesterday ???? :((

[fossil forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1496160939626467418/big2.gif

[void ocean]

Meh one of the yt video guides suggested that, obv they dunno what they are talkin

Or maybe I misunderstood smth

[sudden sparrow]

new drops after fix come off the loot table, not ones before i dont think

[tribal blade]

they didn't retroactively exclude the loot from your loot table

that's why they refunded the rolls

[red flame]

[maiden gale]

I thought of that, but I got the boots after the fix, and before the refund, welp .-.

[tribal blade]

so you just managed to reroll the exact same item again, but this time it's now excluded

[proud burrow]

I think all you can say is well tough luck gg go next

[tribal blade]

this is an enormous mess

[proud burrow]

Unfortunate though

[maiden gale]

indeed, i do need 2 Boots as I have 2 feet tho

[tribal blade]

it's why they put out that post apologizing about this patch

they messed up so bad

[red flame]

fk yea they did

its like they accidentally merged the ptr with live or something lmao

[tribal blade]

blizz is constantly messing up, but this time it's REALLY bad haha

[red flame]

yea when wowhead makes an article talking about how bad they fucked up with multiple diff sources & a huge list of things thats not even half of the shit (wowhead notorious blizz glazers)

then yk its bad

[tribal blade]

oh you just reminded me i should check if i can do the harandar weekly thing now

[red flame]

atp they should just give us dinars too & bring back reforging

[tribal blade]

that's another thing they broke

i think this reroll system is interesting

[red flame]

ye i like it

i wish we had all 3 tho

[tribal blade]

would be too much probably

[red flame]

old bonus roll system that we had forever (idfk why they changed it), the weekly dinar quests from turbo boost & then old reforging

would be pog

youd gear fast af tho

[tribal blade]

this reroll system is already very high impact for gearing

[hazy breach]

These bonus rolls are just a better way of doing dinars

[red flame]

tbf that would fit w this super fast season thing theyre doing

[void ocean]

ye this is mor op for ppl who r in prog teams

[hazy breach]

But the previous bonus rolls were mostly replaced with vault

[red flame]

fair

[tribal blade]

old bonus rolls felt bad because most of the time you got gold

[void ocean]

for pugs its kinda worse

[hazy breach]

Is it though

[void ocean]

for dinar i only needed to pug kill boss once

[tribal blade]

these bonus rolls you're both guaranteed gear AND it has bad luck protection in place

[spare tangle]

Hm, I have been simming quite a bit on my character, but all my 'best sims' seems to be hitting closer to 5 or 600 haster rather than 700 with Mythic Guidon. Is this a product of the higher haste from the use effect? Everything I've read seems to say go for around 700 with that trinket

[red flame]

true & real

[tribal blade]

and you can get more rerolls from taking tokens from vault

SHEEEEESH

so good

i think very likely most poeple are gonna be taking tokens from vault from now on

unless they have a bis item in vault

[red flame]

honestly yea you're not wrong

main thing that sucks is 2 tokens for raid roll

[tribal blade]

being able to more quickly go through the loot table of a dungeon/raid boss you're targeting

is big value

[red flame]

you alr can only fight a raid boss once per week for the loot drop

whereas you can farm m+ for hero items til you get ur drop

& then bonus roll m+ for myth

raid is just fucked over

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm targeting nexus point right now, so far gotten 1 ring and chest

so next week if i have 3 rerolls

[red flame]

no dinner first, no getting told its pretty

nothing

nada

zip

[tribal blade]

there's a good chance i can finish off the ring set

[hazy breach]

I mean not really

[void ocean]

yea but boss loot table has like 3 items

[hazy breach]

Raid bosses typically have 3-4 items at higher ilvl, whereas dungeons have like 6-10 items at 1/6

And realistically most people are just gonna be stuck waiting on crests with full myth track now with the bonus rolls anyway

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm in that boat now

well not full myth track

but waiting on crests

[red flame]

ig thats fair, i havent gotten to that point yet. im still 190 myth crests from cap

im only 276 tho tbf

[void ocean]

also doing 8 keys a week is not hard, whereas killing like 6 mythic bosses

[red flame]

only myth unupgraded is at 2/6 rn

[red flame]

im talking about m+ vs heroic raid

not everybody is doing mythic raid yet or at all

m+ is infinitely better than heroic raid for gearing purposes

thats why my argument is what it is

[void ocean]

what i dont understand is, if i have 2 rolls this week and i spend both of them, how many will i have next week, one or 3?

[hazy breach]

You get 2 each week

Always

But you can get 1 more per week if you buy it with tokens from vault

[void ocean]

but if i dont spend em am i gonna have 4?

[red flame]

only m+ i plan on using rolls in is AA for PSB

bc its just the m+ alternative to band of hope

& we're prob not killing m belo

[hazy breach]

What

You get 2 each week

[vale pine]

if you don't spend them this week

you can spend 4 next

i think that was the question

[void ocean]

aye thats what i wanted to know, didnt know if its capped or smth

[vale pine]

the "Maximum" you can have increases each week

so players who start later in the patch can buy more

[void ocean]

aye like crests and everything

gotcha

[vale pine]

but still have the same total maxima

yep

[tribal blade]

i'm going after nexus ring set since it's free damage

and then adjusting the rest of my gear according to those rings

[still quartz]

!gem

[tribal blade]

1 of those rings is good for sin as well

btw do we have to do the same thing each week to get the rerolls

because that's gonna get tiresome

[red flame]

pretty sure yea

[tribal blade]

F

[red flame]

the 3 options thing

i might be wrong but id imagine its that

[tribal blade]

it creates a lot of pressure on players to do stuff in game on every reset day before going into raid

for some it's not really feasible to do it

[red flame]

oh wait i was thinking of something else yea you're right

[tribal blade]

time constraints

[red flame]

F

idr what it was for but i was thinking of the gold, voidlight marl or veteran crests for w/e that was

i forgot abt that you're right

[tribal blade]

OH maybe it is that

i have no idea

[red flame]

nah ur right

i remember now

[tribal blade]

unsure

[red flame]

we had to do 3 delves

bountifuls

[tribal blade]

it's not horrible because you can just run 3 lvl 1 delves

that's very fast

[red flame]

ye

[tribal blade]

but still

[void ocean]

u guys not doing 4x11

[red flame]

gotta burn keys tho

[hazy breach]

Ye its just the quest for crests

[red flame]

is the prob

[hazy breach]

You dont need the 3 voidcores

as the thing is already unlocked

[tribal blade]

TIGHT ok

[hazy breach]

The 3 voidcore thing is now for the ilvl upgrade

[red flame]

oh was that just week 1 thing?

[tribal blade]

ngl i've just been doing this shit without paying much attention to what is unlocking what haha

just do quest

and obtain items

[red flame]

same fr tho 😭

[tribal blade]

brain off

[void ocean]

true immersion xD

[tribal blade]

true!

[void ocean]

what do u guys do if u r just above 700 haste, do u switch gems to bring it down to 700 or leave it

is there any benefit

or should i just sim

[lilac stag]

4 if you’re the guildie that walked into a bountiful delve without a coffer key.

[fallow nimbus]

Don't bother

[void ocean]

i have 709 without oil

and hero feather for trinket

i do fit 2nd sec tech so i guess thats our goal

[tribal blade]

i would regem some haste into crit

unless you have a buttload of crit then go mast

[fallow nimbus]

You can try to replace some haste items if possible like if you have a hero haste cloak

[void ocean]

743 crit, 591 mast

[tribal blade]

i think you need more crit

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/لييوو-gif-16809754927858649993

i definitely did not have to do lfr chimaerus afterwards bc i only had 2 keys & realized after the first delve

[void ocean]

just do 3 quick preys and thats like tons of keys

3 nightmare preys with weekly u get 4 at least

[dusty quartz]

got a myth belt on my first bonus roll, have myth crest crafted belt already :<

[vale osprey]

So you just spend 20 crests, and send your craft elsewhere

Sounds efficient to me