subtlety

[cobalt surge]

F**** germans xD

[fossil forge]

Brings back ptsd

[lucid jackal]

do :

mentions:

[somber sun]

outlaw rogue, right ???

[sand torrent]

I WAS UNTIL IT WAS SHIT

[somber sun]

dropped in tww too ?

[cobalt surge]

mentions: .dit0x <- nothing happenz

[somber sun]

tww outlaw was ahh

so ahh

[lucid jackal]

GG then idk

[cobalt surge]

ill google it for the german version @lucid jackal

[dusky yacht]

Man I am so happy I finished my experimental-minttaste-"intense"-vape juice

I am never buying that shit again wtf

It was good for like 5 hours but after that it's like please stop

[somber sun]

not the vape juice !!

[cobalt surge]

OK. imma switch to EN language. where can I do that?

SINCE when has discord more functions then MS-Excel please? ohh maa gaaawd

[dusky yacht]

Bro don't bully me at least I quit smoking cigs, I was smoking cigs for 20 years

[cobalt surge]

brb ^^

[somber sun]

think im gonna pay a guy just to vape for the cool scent

mango

[dusky yacht]

Mango is one of my favs

[fossil forge]

Smoke crack like a real man

[dusky yacht]

My gf wouldn't stop sniffing lmao

[fossil forge]

[dusky yacht]

[dusky yacht]

Yeah the only thing that could make my eyes look more tired than playing Rogue in Midnight

Crack.

[cobalt surge]

YES BABY. ty all ❤️

[somber sun]

oh because you play

man I cant get more than 5 invites per day on m+

I just fool around and wait for next week vault

[cobalt surge]

wanna know whats the best? there is no message that I havent overread; it was probably the pinned message as you suggested.
but yo, anyways: now it works xD

[somber sun]

people say " just host your key bro ", when it doesnt work

[dusky yacht]

I mostly push m+ with my guildleader who tanks or try to host my key if it makes sense for me to do so

[somber sun]

yeah see

[dusky yacht]

But I was trying to pug maisara 14 this morning and I did get groups etc, but man, I can't with these pug tanks

They are schizo

[somber sun]

I highly doubt most people here go full solo q

[dusky yacht]

I swear we had a blood dk tank who dropped an AoE and missed the mobs

A huge circle

I was like are you srs rn

[somber sun]

XDDDDDD

saw that so many times

" bro dw I have a second charge ! "

[rain swift]

why does the trinket show as a red color and not brown / beige like all the others? is it just because it's a trinket?

[dusky yacht]

Because the sims are like bro wtf are you even using you absolute madman

[somber sun]

solarflare is not that bad ngl

it rocks when it procs

[dusky yacht]

I know, I'm just messing

[somber sun]

yeah dw

gotcha

[rain swift]

i got worried for a sec lmao

[dusky yacht]

Hahah sorry

[rain swift]

its the highest simming for me aside from gaze and guidon, just not been lucky at all

[dusky yacht]

I get that

I'm just

[somber sun]

k bro

[dusky yacht]

Really sorry to hear that

[somber sun]

not even 6/6

[dusky yacht]

I GOT IT THIS WEEK BRO

[rain swift]

for me

[somber sun]

[dusky yacht]

[somber sun]

I need to get the heroic gaze

getting mythic ones will be so fkin hard

[rain swift]

bonus rolls ftw

[somber sun]

gotta find mythic guild and gear up

bla bla

[dusky yacht]

At least yall got skill I'm geared af and somehow manage to parse shit

[rain swift]

probs just rotation then

[surreal orbit]

should I always delay Shadow Dance to line up so that I can hit Secret Tech as the first global inside or just ensure that if I use Dance before Tech is off cooldown it WILL be available while Dance is up

[dusky yacht]

Except this one parse I did on Vorasius

I was gonna finally beat it this week then I die on last soak like a moron

[rain swift]

oh yeah, vorasius is for some reason a high parse for me too

[somber sun]

yeah doing that on next heroic raid week reset

[rain swift]

On heroic difficulty*

[drifting ether]

I still got my champ ones 🤣

[somber sun]

yall so good

[dusky yacht]

Oh that was mythic

[rain swift]

ah my guild is still going for chima on mythic, been close to killing him

[dusky yacht]

Behold my heroic pug parses

(I am so bad please send help)

[somber sun]

l'ura next ?

[rain swift]

wdym bad 😭 still good

[dusky yacht]

I was just looking at this other Rogue's parses

And I'm bad bro

IM SO BAD

[rain swift]

as long as ur performing above 50, ur doing better than majority of the rogues tbf

[dusky yacht]

My myth parses

But lowkey on saladbar I think I'm carrying the raid coping massively

[rain swift]

kekw

[somber sun]

xdddd

yo btw

is there a way to practice that stuff

[cobalt surge]

how many keybinds do you guys have, when there's around 31 talents for sub?

*skills

[somber sun]

i heard you can do something with wowanalyzer and give it your log

[dusky yacht]

I mean what I do is I sim my dps unbuffed 5 min patch and then I do target dummy runs 5 min unbuffed (or well, with oils, because I need oils to get haste breakpoint)

[somber sun]

but on a dummy ? idk if it would work

[rain swift]

including that some are macros

[somber sun]

yeah Ill get the addon for the combat logging ig

[dusky yacht]

I just use ingame dps meter

But I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, I'm more like the lawnmower on a good day

[rain swift]

driveable ones or just the ones u push?

[dusky yacht]

To be fair I'm at 95% of sims like that

[dusky yacht]

The really old mechanical ones that are rusty

[rain swift]

ahh so someone else has to push u :P

[pine viper]

Is there any reason to save my +3 refunded rerolls? thinking of sending all on nexus

[dusky yacht]

And I need oils

[dusky yacht]

You can watch number go up

[pine viper]

Im afraid next week it might bug the cap or something

you never know

[wary locust]

is tauren best race?

[dusky yacht]

Well can't help sorry

[rain swift]

dw the indie company wont mess up that bad right

[dusky yacht]

Pandaren, food buff, check wowhead guide fuu wrote, pretty sure there's a part about it somewhere

[boreal sluice]

dwarf too

[rain swift]

i like orc for blood fury

[rain swift]

does anyone genuinly play mecha gnome though

[dusky yacht]

I think somebody does

I forget his name, he's on here sometimes

The top 2 all stars right now are pandarens tho

And most others with the ridiculously high parses are too

[rain swift]

what does pandarens even contribute to, to rogue?

[dusky yacht]

.

Foodbuff boost

Double stats

[rain swift]

ah

[dusky yacht]

Like that's how silly it actually is

Mfs get 50 more agi

[rain swift]

wtf

nerf pls?

[dusky yacht]

This is what I get as human

I just realised I'm prolly only above haste breakpoint because of this racial

[tribal blade]

HUGE

got 2 pieces i can use from nexus point

[dusky yacht]

Sick

[tribal blade]

massive

[dusky yacht]

I have that one too

I am not looking forward to trying to get omission again

I did 42 xenas runs for the hero version and then I realised you can use rolls for myth version

[rain swift]

42??

[dusky yacht]

One moment

[rain swift]

I thought i was suffering at 25 runs for bifurcation band last patch, it dropped for someone else who traded it to me, then next time i ran MT it dropped for me

[dusky yacht]

It dropped on 42nd run and I haven't gone back since

PTSD.

[rain swift]

i wouldnt even wish NPX on my worst enemy

[dusky yacht]

Yeah and then

[edgy star]

I don't raid on my rogue, but I've got myself 3 coins to roll in some mythic dungeons. I've also got 4 sparks (already got the belt and the weapon). Is it worth me crafting gear or using my crests to upgrade the myth items?

[dusky yacht]

Literally next announcement was "you can roll for m+ items and they'll be mythic!"

Can you imagine my pain, my anguish

[rain swift]

wait u can get 3 reroll tokens first week? i thought it was only 2

[dusky yacht]

I wouldn't craft gear at this point beyond maybe offhand if you don't have it already

[dusky yacht]

Crappy vault you can use the currency you get to buy extra roll

[rain swift]

aa

my vaults been fire so far, just no trinkets i want

[edgy star]

Best I've got atm

the 266 is the hero dagger from skyreach x

[dusky yacht]

By offhand I meant the one you're using mainhand

So you shouldn't craft just use rolls for m+ gear, they'll be mythic track

Wait

Make sure it's the right level key though

I haven't looked into any of that

[rain swift]

+10 would give myth track if im not mistaken

on rolls*

[edgy star]

thanks x

[wary locust]

BiS list on wowhead accurate?

[rain swift]

pretty much yeah

[dusky yacht]

When in doubt, sim yourself though

[dire ravine]

the +30 energy issue when casting shadowblades seems to have been fixed

[boreal sluice]

nice

[dusky yacht]

Yes it has

[warm marlin]

did everyone get their refund for voidcores

i actually might not get it because I race changed

[dusky yacht]

Da heck I can't use my own emojis anymore

sadge

Actually I can't use any reacts

[valid falcon]

which dungeons are yall using your bonus roll?

is there an objectively best one?

[bleak night]

lmao i didnt think about that

yeah that might be fucked

[north garnet]

Mine were not even bugged

and i got re funded

[dusky yacht]

I spent mine too late, only raided thursday evening EU

Unlucky lmao

[agile kernel]

depends on what you are missing, but assuming you have no gear at all, skyreach is pretty loaded.

edit: 100% you should look at your gear, find the one that has to most upgrades

[severe viper]

hey quick question, why ppl are getting %50 reduced cd and aoe blind for crown of the cosmos fight?

[dusky yacht]

Because the alternative is gouge

[north garnet]

coincidence i guess

[shrewd lantern]

well the utility point doesnt matter

you could get vial on kb ig?

does "killing" a slime count as a reset

[north garnet]

vial still costs a gcd and some enrgi

[severe viper]

makes sense

I see thanks

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure most people just take it

because it doesnt impact gameplay

[severe viper]

I see, as a filler rather than utility

[shrewd lantern]

i mean that entire top area is utility

[dusky yacht]

You could get shiv but I don't see how it could ever really be useful as sub

I mean in raid

Maybe in m+ like maisara berserkers

[shrewd lantern]

yeah stealth movespeed, iron stomach and nimble fingers all "useful"

to an extent

aoe blind/shiv kinda non impactful

[dusky yacht]

Yeah

[shrewd lantern]

took them over a decade to give rogue a heal on kb esque mechanic

only melee without one really besides enh

[dusky yacht]

I barely ever need crimson vial and not have it off cooldown hmm

But maybe that's me not using it enough

idk

[shrewd lantern]

its for the open world casuals

[fossil forge]

cap

100healing logs

[shrewd lantern]

vial feels fine hitting as sub

since your other option is hitting a backstab outside dance

[dusky yacht]

But the 9k dmg!

[shrewd lantern]

its 2k

tooltip

[dusky yacht]

I mean it could crit

IT COULD CRIT

[stuck arrow]

Feint and make your healer happy lol

[final agate]

Yoru praying hard for the crit.

And it never comes..

[dusky yacht]

Bestow upon me the lowest of sub downtimes o lord

[stuck arrow]

Use it in a cloud and Crit with blades and you almost get 9k.

Pog.

[dusky yacht]

Ignore mine healers and pass upon them high parses

[vernal drum]

can u guys be happy for me ?

chim MM

[final agate]

Maybe?

[vernal drum]

bonus roll

got the aln trinket

[final agate]

Big happy

[stuck arrow]

Nicuu

[final agate]

Nice

[dusky yacht]

Sick

[vernal drum]

its not a legend !

[final agate]

Now hand it over ... No honor amongst thieves and all that.

[vernal drum]

whole raid bonus roll

and only 2 of us had it

poor rng

[somber sun]

Surely no skyreach cloaks dropping in 20 runs will guarantee me gaze on bonus roll

[finite hedge]

I play mechagnome

[final agate]

We found the only diaper gnome, right here.

[finite hedge]

Hell yeah

[final agate]

Listen, ever since someone told me they look like they're rocking a diaper I can't unsee it. Will never play mechagnome.

[finite hedge]

It's me

[somber sun]

Would've been so cool

[final agate]

Even if it's like ~5% more dps

[somber sun]

But they gave us this sht

I would like to play as mimiron

[wooden sonnet]

did they already send back the bonus rolls

[somber sun]

Not gnomes with bonus bis metal scrap

[finite hedge]

Just cover it up with a tabard. Np

[somber sun]

[wary locust]

do i bonus roll chime or a M+ dungeon? any tips

[finite hedge]

Depends entirely on your current gear

Can't really go wrong on chim though if you need it. Do you have any version of gaze?

[wary locust]

i may be the only person on wow to not have a gaze by now

[finite hedge]

Go for it

[wary locust]

on any of my chars

i do have a plume and a guidon tho

hero

[plain quest]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[finite hedge]

For me hero plume simmed barely better than a champion gaze.

[wary locust]

is that with crit plume?

[finite hedge]

Nah that was before the patch now that you mention it with mastery plume. So it's probably gained some value since

[wary locust]

maybe i should try to get a myth dagger.

[finite hedge]

You run mythic chim with a guild? Are you anywhere close to getting it if it drops?

[wary locust]

im not in a guild atm

[finite hedge]

Oh then it's probably harder to get gaze than a dagger.

I'd probably roll gaze in that case

[wary locust]

will gaze roll myth?

[finite hedge]

If you kill myth chim, yes

Don't roll it on heroic

[wary locust]

yeah, ive not downed myth chime and idk how long itll be before I pug it

[finite hedge]

Very puggable boss

[wary locust]

im new to wow, this is the first expansion ive played

[finite hedge]

Ah okay. Well if you have no plans to go myth chim probably just roll pit

[wary locust]

beetle stabber?

[finite hedge]

Yeah and most of the other stuff in there all good

High chance of usable item

Nexus, sky reach also good choices. Adjust for your current gear and what you have already

[cyan saddle]

on m chimi, we doing ST still?

[finite hedge]

I've always ran st build there. The add phases are meh. Especially as melee

[north garnet]

top 100

[finite hedge]

Yep st

[cyan saddle]

hmmmm archon lied to me

it said 30 some percent

[finite hedge]

You get almost no black powder value in that fight

[cyan saddle]

what are some of yalls damage numbers?

i feel like 90k is respectable forus on that fight idk

[dusky yacht]

Wtf guys, I was just doing some target dummy practice and my shadow blades duration was reduced below 20 seconds for some reason

[finite hedge]

My best was like 109k I think

Which was g2 I believe. That matters sometimes too

[dusky yacht]

Wtf is going on?

[finite hedge]

Lol what

More bugs?

[peak ice]

90ish for heroic last log for chim

[dusky yacht]

??? I am so confused

[brisk onyx]

`
PVP talents will now be triggered for no apparent reason so idk

[quaint lodge]

yeah no point running bp talent

the adds die much too fast

[brisk onyx]

You can check the log; you should find the bargain buff

[dusky yacht]

I'm not in PvP, this is on a training dummy, and my duration is also being reduced.

[brisk onyx]

I know, and I wasn't in a PvP environment, but it still happened

[tribal blade]

it's 100% because of thief's bargain

[dusky yacht]

But why does it reduce the duration?

[brisk onyx]

it is a bug but idk how

[tribal blade]

this

[dusky yacht]

I switched out thief's bargain (I don't even know why I picked that, prolly just to get rid of death from above showing up on my bars, I don't pvp)

[tribal blade]

could be because the training dummies are in the pvp area

[dusky yacht]

Gonna test again

[tribal blade]

of silvermoon

[dusky yacht]

Oh.

Horde flag.

B R U H.

[rain kernel]

any1 has interrupt macro that has mouse over on shift modifier...alt on focus...and normal press it just kicks

[dusky yacht]

Since when is it like this LMAO my favourite dummy spot goddammit.

[brisk onyx]

It seems to only occur during dummy. I haven't been able to reproduce it in dungeon/raid yet (but my friend encountered this bug in a dungeon, but unfortunately he didn't have the logs)

[steep raven]

Sub tier set is nerfed in pvp (sb duration)

Don't practice on pvp dummies

[tribal blade]

everything about sub is nerfed in pvp haha

[dusky yacht]

I am so confused by this lmao

[tribal blade]

literally every season sub is OP

and then they hammer it with nerfs

[dusky yacht]

Was I practicing my DPS all this time on a pvp dummy?

[steep raven]

When you hit pvp dummy all pvp rules apply. (Half your talents are worse)

[dusky yacht]

This is crazy

I was sweating like mad trying to figure out why I couldn't get it higher

[tribal blade]

even sub's mastery is reduced in pvp

[dusky yacht]

Guys uhh embarrassing question

Where are the pve dummies..

[tribal blade]

go to silvermoon

[steep raven]

In Silvermoon

[tribal blade]

ask a guard

[dusky yacht]

Thank you.

[tribal blade]

it's in the bottom left hand corner of the map

in the pvp area

[dusky yacht]

Back in my day training dummies were training dummies bro

Smh

Blizz bullying me

[tribal blade]

still makes me kinda sad how insanely good sub's toolkit is in PVP

but it doesn't translate to PVE

[steep raven]

ooooooooooooooooh

[shrewd lantern]

pvp nerf

rip

xd

[dusky yacht]

My guildie was trying to convince me to PvP again because I used to be pretty good a long time ago

[swift tinsel]

huge

[dusky yacht]

But man I don't want more work tbh

[swift tinsel]

W

[tribal blade]

yeah fuck pvp tbh lol

[swift tinsel]

ye fake game mode

[tribal blade]

my brother said it best 15 years ago

pvp in wow is impossible to balance

because of how drastically different every spec is

[dusky yacht]

I quit at the end of wotlk because I got carpal tunnel in my pinkie from playing arms warrior vs holydins and death knights every day. I'm not even joking bro.

We'd have 45 min high rated arena games until draw

[tribal blade]

i quit around the end of SL

doesn't help i play at 200 ms

which is incredibly frustrating when dealing with other players

[dusky yacht]

Yeah no lmao

I came back on this account to play on a rogue no mic in wod

[tribal blade]

i used to be a terrorist in world pvp

[dusky yacht]

💀

Combat was so busted

Who needs comms

[tribal blade]

oh yeah i remember that

red buff>kidney>killing spree

100-0 someone

[dusky yacht]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

back when combat mastery was good

[dusky yacht]

And then /giggle at their 2v2 mate while I wait for killing spree CD

[tribal blade]

and scaled

[dusky yacht]

Either you leave or you get the full experience yourself

Then I quit after a few months of that

I was like what the hell has this game become

[tribal blade]

wod was a weird expac

the expac cycle back then consisted of an A team and B team working on each one

[dusky yacht]

Glad I came back this expansion to PvE though, I'm loving my current guild and progging in mythic, first time I'm actually taking PvE seriously

[tribal blade]

so you would have a good expac followed by bad expac, and so on and so forth

wod was a bad one

[dusky yacht]

In Wotlk on my warrior

My resto druid would force me to come to her raids

I'd get flamed by the pvers about not being hitcapped before subsequently outdpsing them with glad weap

gg wp

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[brisk onyx]

So far, all 3 specs have performed well in PvP; some my friends have even lost interest in PvE and switched to PvP

[dusky yacht]

I mean I get them, whatever floats your boat, I just think they ruined PvP at some point in wotlk

Idk it became all cleave no brain no comms just vibe

Before that it was more about CC and technical gameplay idk

[shrewd lantern]

Well thats the meleecleave lifestyle

but yeah

[brisk onyx]

No, they haven't even played PvP; they're just disappointed with how PvE is being treated

[dusky yacht]

Best period in WoW for me as PvP was playing W in WLD and countering RMPs and playing against the really good RMPs at high rating, that was such an insane feeling man. The plays those people did trying to beat us. My lock would switch to destro to throw them off guard. It was just so much fun.

[brisk onyx]

Then I recommended some videos from pikaboo and whazzz to them

[shrewd lantern]

casters have it good

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I gotta say tho, what an expansion I chose to come back, PvE and play Rogue in.

Hell of a learning curve.

[tribal blade]

this is one of the worse times to be a rogue in recent memory

[dusky yacht]

And I'm still having so much fun lmao isn't it weird

Imagine how I'll feel when we're tuned properly

[shrewd lantern]

warrior has had a long history

[brisk onyx]

9.0 and 6.0 also went through this process

[shrewd lantern]

of being known as a class mained by crayon eaters

tbf

as far as pvp goes

[dusky yacht]

Tell me this is the correct mf to dps

[finite hedge]

I think that one hits back lol

[dusky yacht]

Dammit

[tribal blade]

stand behind it

[steep raven]

Nah, it's the good one

[dusky yacht]

No the other one does

[tribal blade]

it won't hit back then

[dusky yacht]

This one doesn't

Thanks for the warning tho

Lmao

[finite hedge]

Ah okay.

[shrewd lantern]

i remember at wod launch

someone swapblasted the tank dummy into the auction house

[dusky yacht]

You may have saved my life

[shrewd lantern]

and put it where the auctioneers were

[dusky yacht]

I swear these people who "exploit" toys etc are hilarious

smirk

We do a li'l trolling

[shrewd lantern]

old swapblaster was peak

10s cd

castable while moving

[dusky yacht]

Hahaha holy shit

[shrewd lantern]

you had people walk off skyreach as they casted it

[dusky yacht]

The shenans

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/liquids-max-talks-rogue-raid-buff-situation/2296187 reminder to hit this with a like if you can

[dusky yacht]

It's really so sad that it doesn't even work on the stuff it would be super useful on lmao

[tribal blade]

someone said on my other forum thread that blizz actively avoids going on the class forums and mostly skims the PTR threads because the feedback there is less toxic and more constructive

which is good to know

wish i could go back and post in on the PTR thread

[tribal blade]

i kinda don't even want atrophic to work properly

because most people give 0 fucks about DR

they want to do more dmg

[swift tinsel]

same I want crit % + crit dmg/healing %

[tribal blade]

the only time people have actually been excited about atrophic is when i've been doing title range keys and everyone is using notevenclose to figure out how to live 1 shots

[swift tinsel]

universally good

[subtle aspen]

u guys receive the rolls back?

[swift tinsel]

haven't checked

[dusky yacht]

Yeah true

I fully agreed with your post when I read it

I want a crit buff or haste or both or something idk

It would make sense too with the rogue fantasy

[tribal blade]

would be cool yeah

[dusky yacht]

Cause we're also like spies/intel gatherers

In the lore

[brisk onyx]

It's a very simple principle, even written in their game tips: kill the enemy before you die (attacking is always the most effective method)

[final agate]

This is exactly why I play Sub Rogue. Outlaw is a dollar store pirate and Assassin, eh. Boring.

In terms of class fantasy, Sub Rogue hits the mark for me.

[neon frigate]

Why are classes like bm and ret paladin do more aoe dmg in large groups?

[tribal blade]

that has been generally true for those 2 specs throughout the years

they also belong to 2 classes that are very very popular to play

therefore blizz will tune them better

[final agate]

They get all the nice toys.

Meanwhile Rogue gets... bugs.

Basically, those two classes take two brain cells, max to play. Sometimes not even that many.

[short radish]

okay i'm all for hunter/paladin slander

but lets not pretend rogue is also a complicated spec

[final agate]

Currently, no, it's not.

[tidal solstice]

i took a hunter to 3200 in s3 of tww using oba as a test

[brisk onyx]

[final agate]

Though, what irks me the most when folks talk about rogue in relation to other classes: "Well they're awesome in PvP"

[kind edge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[rare quest]

So the new opener is backstab until 7 cp. The prio I've been using has been 6 cp before a finisher. Should I be saving to 7 cp and not just 6 or 7 before using Shadow Blades?

[lilac stag]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[shrewd lantern]

yeah pvp the form of content where st stuns are good

[dusky yacht]

I've had some sick value out of them on myth chim tho, 7 sec stun on a fear add is pretty insane

Not good for my parses but good for the raid I imagine

[west tide]

yes big

[shrewd lantern]

[west tide]

i did that just to make sure my side never fucked it up

[shrewd lantern]

meanwhile ret hoj is 6 and free

[tribal blade]

to be fair sub's stuns do dmg now

which is actually incredibly cool

probably the biggest W from the redesign

[alpine wraith]

with new set up

cheapshot can do very funny dmg

as it gives a strike clone

if you are in cds it can truck quite a bit

like 130k or so

i found it funny when i saw it on a delve

i cheapshot a mob and it gets a trucker to the neck

[dusky yacht]

72k/76k dps dummy/sim 5 min

Man I don't even know what I did differently that time tbh, last ones were all 68k and it's weird af

[shrewd lantern]

yeah its most noticeable in pvp

especially since you can cheap someone for full pts without blades

[alpine wraith]

yea it also procs apex 1

so you get double strike

[shrewd lantern]

gonna be some real funny blades variance this season with 150% strike crit

especially since you dont stack crit in pvp

[alpine wraith]

there might be some people that try some more crit instead of vers to try and get more cds from random set ups

you can do surprising amounts of dmg randomly

thx to rotten + clones

[hushed roost]

you dont have to be in the cloud anymore?

[dusky yacht]

Guys when doing the rotation as usual I keep ending up in this awkward situation, am I sectec dancing one too many times or something? I'm waiting until <10 sec left on blades to hold sectec dance, but this leads me to exactly this.

Like what do I do here? Just send blades and dance and just sectec somewhere in the blades?

[dusky yacht]

Cloud buff lasts for up to 10 sec after leaving but begins to count down as soon as you leave, you can refresh it by running back in up to the maximum duration

[tidal solstice]

voidcores have gone out

[hushed roost]

its like randomly refreshing itself let me see if i can record a clip shortly

[alpine wraith]

time to waste them randomly in xenas

[drifting ether]

So ive noticed without premed it might take 3 ss to get the proc inside dance window
are yous playing around that, not sure how i feel about it

[dusky yacht]

What proc?

[frail kindle]

bro i was gonna try outlaw and i dont even have enough haste for it lmao

its a sign

[hushed roost]

https://streamable.com/e59wb5

yeah look at this

[dusky yacht]

I'm not clicking that

[hushed roost]

okay my bad big dawg

maybe i can convert to gif

has anyone else noticed though ~ 12 seconds in

the cloud refreshes itself lol

[drifting ether]

Ancient arts one, cause you know how we optimised on 12.0 do have it up with supercharged

[dusky yacht]

Ah right yeah

Actually weird thing, I just did target dummy run 5 min and instead of not trying to get apex up permanently and only for supercharge, my DPS was higher if I was just trying to get apex up all the time.

Like 3k higher than highest last attempts

So I am just confused af now really

[drifting ether]

Oh actually im stupid its cause aa is used on st now

When you open up

[untold fern]

2 questions why would we drop premed in our build? and why is it a lost of dps?

[dusky yacht]

[tribal blade]

it's very unreliable doing that on target dummies

because of variance

and right now sub is quite high variance

[dusky yacht]

And again

My DPS is 2k+ higher when I proc AA as much as possible

So that's two times in a row now

When before I was doing 68-72k dps over 5 min, now I'm doing 74-75k

[alpine wraith]

shaman buff and maybe bl on pull helps reduce the rng

but yea otherwise you might need to strike more

[dusky yacht]

But the sim is unbuffed, so am I

Except for oils which I added to the sim aswell

And sim iteration example is not showing it doing this

[odd sandal]

Is solarflare trink better after patch?

[dusky yacht]

I'm going to keep doing runs but I doubt it's variance, something isn't adding up

[peak ice]

Yea probably cause crit is now better right?

[dusky yacht]

3 times in a row I'm higher DPS than my highest attempt while following current rotation..

[toxic anvil]

Am I understanding right with the increased Strike usage.. Example:

Dance/Sectec > Builder > Builder if no AA, Finish if yes AA, rinse/repeat?

I know there are other variables in play with CP / Shadow Techniques counts, but in a general sense, is this what we're looking at?

[drifting ether]

Ah ye i found it, looks like if sims not procing aa within 2 ss we just go into normal rotation in dance
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/feu3fNvLpdBxNqdviVm14g

Should of checked first not sure why i was forcing aa proc in dance but we know now

[hushed roost]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  If all of the above are true, use cast a Shadowstrike / Shuriken Storm (even if on full cp).

[toxic anvil]

That's cute, thanks for that

[chrome totem]

Will we go back to the old Trickster build once Blizz fixes these bugs? Or is this new cloud cover/no premed build staying.

[alpine wraith]

if they fix the bugs we still stay on cloud cover but if premed gets fixed we use it again

[plush roost]

If both premed bugs with the apex talent are fixed then premed to the moon

But u could argue one isnt a bug and just bad design

[chrome totem]

The problem is that it changes what gear I pursue

Being Crit heavy now

[dusky yacht]

Is there any reason why this guy uses pot before guidon?

[shrewd lantern]

seperate binds i imagine

[dusky yacht]

0.4 sec

Bro anxious

I get that

But nearly 1 sec before dance so it's fine

Yeah no I must be tripping

Maybe it's because I'm doing ST sim unbuffed against target dummy and I can't keep up with the sim or track the way the sim does.
And then in raid you just naturally get more apex procs.

So you don't have to make sure you get AA up all the time

Yeah I was just tripping now I did the normal rotation and I'm at 75k 5 min dummy/76k sim

Maybe I needed to warm up

I should warm up before raids too then

[dusky yacht]

Maybe it's when you're doing more than 2 SS you are losing too many coup procs and this leads to the possibility of FF dropping?

Wait that doesn't make sense does it

Then why

lol I beat the sim

Time to go get bread I'm done boys

[drifting ether]

Generators use the Sts aswell, no wonder it felt different
Used to playing a bugged class so the class plays different now

[dusky yacht]

I remember reading this stuff for the first time and having my eyes go crossed

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-gif-cross-eyed-Pf9LOLxrONT0I

[torn frigate]

Is there an add-on that is better than the cool down manager for showing how much st we have?

[keen dome]

And my voidcores got refunded, woo

[tidal solstice]

mine too. 😛

got a non dupe

heres the run

gotta love those meta classes amirite

[keen dome]

Hell yeah meta rogue

[hollow spear]

Uhdk finally where it should be

[drifting ether]

Refunds and i got too keep the drops, winning 🤣

[tidal solstice]

3/4 wish me luck

so many people big mad

[keen dome]

make them madder

[tidal solstice]

im like... who cares were all limited by crests lol. the name changes from heroic to mythic whoooo boy.

[keen dome]

drop a "well I got gaze.. now I need to roll in here"

[tidal solstice]

i keep inhaling the copium that my gaze will drop in either raid or vault and im using my roll in m+ to fill ym gear

[keen dome]

hero

I'm getting another belt on reset

[tidal solstice]

lmao

nice 6x tokens you have there

will it be the helm belt or bracers sir?

[keen dome]

But to balance it I am going to roll and get both nexus rings.

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-danny-devito-gif-10937049

dont put that evil on me ricky bobby

[keen dome]

[steel zinc]

Now I hope they fix premed and other bugs

[tidal solstice]

the 30 energy bug was fixed

praise be

[keen dome]

Hopefully but I imagine the premed bug will take a lot longer and is waaay lower priority

[keen dome]

yeee, it good.

[tidal solstice]

hell yeh it didnt just fix things, it gave me a smidgeon of hope

im sure it will last 5 days or so lol

[dark creek]

Are the both nexus rings that much better then others?

[keen dome]

It depends on your sim and situation but for me I want them

[steel zinc]

Sim it

They are definitely good rings

[tidal solstice]

all crit haste

very nice rings

[steel zinc]

But rings neck highly depend on your character

[tidal solstice]

that pit neck

https://tenor.com/view/yeaa-gif-17716165836088299547

[keen dome]

I like them becuse they do free tickle damage and with the alleria neck they give me most of the haste I need

[dark creek]

Idk for me academy ring sims better

[keen dome]

You can always just go "no, I want the cool and handsome set rings" too and get them

[tidal solstice]

are we only getting 8 nebulous voidcore for the season?

[keen dome]

No clue

the raid buff goes up to 15%

[tidal solstice]

holy shit lol

[keen dome]

So maybe 13 more weeks. Also we have 4 weeks until the weapon / trinket buff items

[warm marlin]

they said the cap would go up all season iirc

[tidal solstice]

honestly thats cool. we will probably see heroic and mythic rates never before seen

and thats a good thing

[keen dome]

So I imagine 12.0.5 is gonna last until June? Maybe 12.0.7 in June then 12.1 in August or something?

Or late july

[brave raptor]

Yes I'm guessing season 2 around August based on 6 months ish seasons

[keen dome]

Yeah

12.1 out before Blizzcon, which lets Blizzcon tease last titan and 12.2, then I imagine 12.2 in Feburary or something.

[tidal solstice]

wild! people will be full mythic and never set foot in a mythic raid

[short radish]

expect 8 week cycles

[keen dome]

that'd fit perfectly, yeah

[short radish]

so yeah end of may/mid june for 0.7

[keen dome]

Hell yeah my absolutely unscientific and unmathatic feelycraft math was right

[keen dome]

this is true every season though

[tidal solstice]

vibecraftin

[keen dome]

I tended to end every season with full mythic and only recently began pugging Mythic raids properly

Just via vault over the entire season

[jade oasis]

i suspect wow is sending cia controlled monkeys into my m+ groups

[keen dome]

that's giving them too much credit

people are just very bad at the video game

[jade oasis]

bro this is up to until we wipe

theyre not clicking buttons

[keen dome]

case in point doing BAloren heroic and wiping at 30% on the egg phase. With the whole raid alive. And then people fall into an argument that we NEED a DH for 3% and a monk and this will solve the issue

and I look at damage done and like. That ain't making them push their buttons more

So many people would benefit from using OBR

[tidal solstice]

i fixed it

[keen dome]

We need another one that just says "companion pet"

[tidal solstice]

best i can do

[keen dome]

Hahahaa

I meant, like, a non-combat buddy pet

but that works too

and is way funnier

[tidal solstice]

shit i shoudlve incorporated this

[tidal solstice]

i did take a hunter to 3200 using oba in tww s3 😄

as a kind of test

also hit 90% parses

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[tidal solstice]

if that tells you anything 😛

rogue parse : blue or purple unless ive used everything under the sun and still i sweat

hunter: oba to 90%+

[jade oasis]

i finally timed a key

[keen dome]

[jade oasis]

imagine if i had warr and sham buff bro

imagine

[keen dome]

You still blasted

That mage has a very good name

[vale pine]

Good morning lovely people

[loud wharf]

Yooo!

About to go to bed

[vale pine]

Haha. Diffrent timezones

[loud wharf]

12:01am here

[sour horizon]

na na fuu such a bum hes getting up at 16.30 my time

[loud wharf]

Trying to decide if I want to Outlaw or Sub more

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[loud wharf]

lmaoooo I started as Sub.

[sour horizon]

and you stay there!

[loud wharf]

But Otl is simming higher

By alot

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-chappelle-show-dave-chappelle-gif-13886884020245664410

[drifting ether]

LFG!! we did it

[keen dome]

Helll yeah

Puglords, puglords everywhere!

[dusky yacht]

Good morning fuu!

[keen dome]

Absolutely blasted that damage, too

[dusky yacht]

Holy shit

https://giphy.com/gifs/tophermcgee3-denzel-washington-my-man-gictytW9IIIkNGIMcs

[tribal blade]

@short radish randomly timed a 18 AA with my DK guildie

we would not have timed this dungeon if i was playing sub

came down to the wire

maybe the ST would have made up for the lack of aoe

but i dunno

[dusky yacht]

Finished my recrafts, 687 haste for the atheists, only oils no flask

[tribal blade]

lol i know

[keen dome]

[drifting ether]

Bruh i tied someone 100 on gaze and lost

[keen dome]

rip 🙁

[tribal blade]

it's kinda crazy that was my frist time stepping into a 18 AA

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cheezburger-anger-tables-Xbh3RSUbOpH1u

[tribal blade]

first time playing sin in there

just yolod it

[keen dome]

Absolutely blasted though

Nice job

[tribal blade]

HELL yeah

[keen dome]

One of the harder? keys this season too

[tribal blade]

other specs are doing 200k overall in there though

so 174k is ok

kinda mid

[dusky yacht]

I mean he should give it to you just on the basis of performance

[tribal blade]

i did basically lose half of 1 cd set though

because there was no big target and everyone focused the thing i was hitting

so it died too fast

[short radish]

yeah i really think im gonna have to play assi

also gz

[tribal blade]

the funnel in AA with sin too

[dusky yacht]

Bro I'm starting to think I should go pandaren

[tribal blade]

is really good

[dusky yacht]

Does racechange have that weird shit going on with the instancelocks like transfer does?

[short radish]

yah

[drifting ether]

Pugs would never give it 🤣

[keen dome]

What if you just didn't

[gritty crow]

what are the best stats for raid guys?

[keen dome]

Haste to 700, then crit+mastery

More crit is more ST, more mastery is more damage and AoE. So you can just stack one or the other but realistically you'llg et both up and it'll be fine.

[gritty crow]

idealy what level you get your crit?

[keen dome]

Stats aren't that integral to what we're doing damage-wise once you've gotten the haste breakpoint.

[short radish]

i mean i don't want to

but there's just too many prio mobs

idk i need to see how shit our ST damage is though

[keen dome]

Just get more of it and mastery, you don't have or need an 'ideal' level.

[short radish]

on bosses

[dusky yacht]

Did you race change to pandaren or just rolled it?

[tribal blade]

it's passable

[gritty crow]

i am at 1k Mastery 710 haste and 580 crit without flasks, food

[dusky yacht]

I hope you only do m+ otherwise..

[keen dome]

You don't need to worry about your stats this much. It isn't going to make a big difference. Just get mastery for AoE, Crit for ST. And stack both for more damage, once you've hit 700~ haste for the breakpoint

[tribal blade]

bird boss

[keen dome]

that's all there is to it.

[tribal blade]

vexamus

last boss

[drifting ether]

Race change, played nelf and velf last season but this was good change
The damage buff is nice but i wanted to look at something else 🤣

[gritty crow]

i am also doing raids, my logs are purple.. but i feel like my dmg is not amping up, so it has to be the crit

[dusky yacht]

Does the race change to pandaren affect your instancelock?

[drifting ether]

Ahh i think it should be fine im actually not too sure

[sour horizon]

race change does weird shit, thats a good question

[drifting ether]

The difference is probaly like the same as picking premed and no premed

[sour horizon]

go science it and report back xD

[keen dome]

Race change does stuff, yeah. I don't think it should impact the instance lock but I think it can fuck vantus buffs.

[dusky yacht]

Yo hold up if I racechange away from human I lose 2% haste which would put me underbreakpoint

[short radish]

i wouldnt race change

mid week

[dusky yacht]

Yeah and I'll wait till my haste in a safer spot

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/great-scott-great-scott-back-to-the-future-scientist-gif-5323843104746741743

[dusky yacht]

I shouldn't fk around with 687 haste

[gritty crow]

what level do you keep your crit and mastery in raids?

[dusky yacht]

I'm at 899 crit no flask only oils no raidbuffs, 745 mastery

[keen dome]

Someone with less crit can do more damage than you if they just high roll their crits. it's not going to make or break a huge difference in your damage and adjusting downward from mastery when so many fights are cleave-based may not have the effect you think it will.

[dusky yacht]

Eh, I just did my recrafts to crit haste and that's it

Oh and gems

[sullen bridge]

they change the first dance talent or did i just get a stroke?

[keen dome]

I don't believe they've changed it, no.

[upbeat yarrow]

does your blade still cost 30ER?

[keen dome]

No, that has been fixed.

[dusky yacht]

No, they fixed it, this was a bug

[upbeat yarrow]

yeah mine is still cost 30er somehow i saw the fixed too

[gritty crow]

if i do my recraft, ill be almost at the exact level liek you, but its annoying to recraft for ST XD

[drifting ether]

When i do it i sim 1t and 5t and try to not lose too much 5t for 1t or vice versa

[dusky yacht]

I get you, but remember, for m+ or even cleave heavy fights you can just use mastery flask instead then.

[sullen bridge]

i always though it said "entering stealth" gives me a 3 sec longer shadow dance no?

[rain hull]

Guidon or puzzlebox for m+ what do you Guys think? Im around 600haste and Like Close to.900 mastery

[sullen bridge]

not "being out of combat"

[keen dome]

It's never worked like that, no.

[dusky yacht]

If it doesn't make much of a difference the one way it won't make much of a difference the other way by the same logic.

[sullen bridge]

haha ok. and we drop it now for m+?

[upbeat yarrow]

nvm have to respec for it to not bug

[keen dome]

Whichever you find better. PUzzle box might be stronger in AoE situations 'cos mastery = AoE but it's a 2 minute cooldown so it can be awkward. Guidon is 1:30 and easier to use and you can then stack mastery with potion and other things.

There's no absolute objective answer here because the indiviudal and the context of their content is gonna matter a lot imo.

[keen dome]

I believe it's equal or stronger to.. Veiltouched, I think? if you can get it 2 - 3 times in a dungeon run. So it's probably a negliable switch depending on your tank and situation.

[dusky yacht]

I prefer veiltouched, I found it extremely unpredictable personally, and I also didn't wanna bother my tank with it every dungeon I did but yeah it's preference basically

[sullen bridge]

nah i agree

[dusky yacht]

It's also the longer the fights, the worse tfd becomes, so in higher keys to me it makes sense to just go veil and vibe with it

[sullen bridge]

and are u guys all switching of premed for all situations or is it just min/max alternative that actually feels like trash? im gonna test it out myself, just interrested 🙂

[keen dome]

I'm just running premed

It's a 0.2% dif for me so fuck it.

[dusky yacht]

It's a min max alternative that feels like trash to some extent yes, it's ~0.5% diff according to pins, I'm personally dropping pre-med because I'm an omega nerd

[frank wolf]

I dropped first dance bc every pug tank i queue with chain pulls the entire dungeon from the beginning to the end and into raid as well

[keen dome]

You'll probably need to sim yourself or find out which you prefer to play, as the damage difference doesn't seem to be massive at the higher end of crit dif.

I know some people have simmed and with their gear, they end up as a neutral dif with it on.

So it really may just boil down to personal preference.

[willow fulcrum]

how terrible is 606 haste unbuffed? I do have heroic Guidon. Assuming I should just use haste flask until I can get to around 700?

[keen dome]

Get 700 haste, ideally. Or 674 unbuffed without oils.

[frank wolf]

It really doesnt feel THAT bad, in aoe shuriken storm should generate max anyway, it really mostly feels bad if you’re starting a boss fight with no combo points

[keen dome]

606 Haste is entering the realms of robot territory for hitting the GCD's in dance.

[dusky yacht]

Yes, haste flask is the play until you have more haste unbuffed

[sullen bridge]

yea and missing out on hero and shit

[willow fulcrum]

alright cheers fellas

[sullen bridge]

i also play with a damn puzzle box so my opener is gonna feel scuffed lol

[red flame]

[keen dome]

throw it into the sea where it belongs

[dusky yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[sullen bridge]

got a mythic one in my first ever vault

[keen dome]

damn

cursed (nice)

[sullen bridge]

haha

[dusky yacht]

sick (wtf vault better bro)

[hollow spear]

It feels bad to "waste" 50 haste points by overshooting with flask, but it's so much worse to have 600 haste and not even get the additional gcd

[dusky yacht]

Can confirm that, before I had 684~+ haste and after was one hell of a difference

Which is really an odd feeling ngl

[raw frost]

You get the aditional gcs even with 600 its just 0.2 sec for you to use it xd

[keen dome]

Yeah, hence robot territory

700 is the comfy zone

[dusky yacht]

Let yourself breathe

https://giphy.com/gifs/ryndean-peace-pray-world-MtqQSt7MKUV7W4TdDh

[still quartz]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[still quartz]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[raw frost]

yes with 700 you have 0.5 sec

which is more than enough

[ornate lake]

So we using strike as the builder inside dance in keys or not?

[dusky yacht]

Depends

[ornate lake]

(Please say yes I beg you)

[dusky yacht]

Is it on one target or 2+

[keen dome]

Same rule as in any content. ST or in low enemy, yes. Otherwise (3+, iirc) it's time to throw shurikens.

[dusky yacht]

Actually yeah it starts at 3 enemies

mb

[keen dome]

I wish Strike flurried still

[dusky yacht]

It did that

Holy shit what did I miss man

[keen dome]

In TWW.

[dusky yacht]

In TWW I was TWO, the war outside

[keen dome]

This is what it did in TWW at launch.

Hence why we talk about them gutting Sub's cleave. We had SO MUCH in TWW

[dusky yacht]

bro give it back

[frank wolf]

Idk I still send strike at 3 targets if theres a prio target

Sub prio

[keen dome]

that's a good shout, yeah

[dusky yacht]

I send strike on 20+ targets no prio (by accident)

[keen dome]

same

[dusky yacht]

[frank wolf]

And then I send storm on single target inside dance

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/lGAfVlN0gat4A

[sour horizon]

same 🙁

[dusky yacht]

Just go full mastery highballer add pad bro

You know you want to

I can see it in your eyes

[sour horizon]

I have lol

[dusky yacht]

[sour horizon]

1080+ mastery xD

[dusky yacht]

Goddamn

[sour horizon]

but I mostly M+ so its not full troll

[dusky yacht]

Eleem said we might want more crit and Balloonicorn said "we, mf?"

[sour horizon]

moved some gear around and im at 24ish crit

[dusky yacht]

Not even bad

Was my crit before I recrafted I think

[sour horizon]

rings are carrying hard on mastery

[dusky yacht]

ah I had xenas set tho

I mean I have it still

It only just got kinda better for me

[sour horizon]

was also lil high on haste 718ish, changed a ring now im 662 haste and got more crit

so it worked out more balanced, finally got decent gear going in pretty much all slots

thanks bonus rolls!

[dreamy wedge]

Anyone knows why simbot insist on putting haste gem in my ring? I have more then 800 and I thought the bot likes even less for the breakpoints. Is there something I am missing?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q4q2PCo5XYBsZCo96orGeH

[dusky yacht]

You got guidon?

[dreamy wedge]

nop

oops

[sour horizon]

in my raid set yeah

my 2nd trink is norm Aln

[dusky yacht]

Uhh well that's a li'l crazy I'm ngl

But the sim is sometimes funky af with haste things

[keen dome]

I forget if it's doing it still but it might be trying to push you to the next breakpoint (1100)? I'm honestly not sure what the sim is doing with haste as I've not been using it for that. Can just tell it that it's stupid and you know better, though.

[dusky yacht]

So with oils you got over 684 right

[sour horizon]

no oil

[dusky yacht]

Right cool that's great then

[sour horizon]

yeah pretty solid now

[dusky yacht]

[dreamy wedge]

I really doubt cuz I am no where near it, and it also place crit enchant on the same ring.

[dusky yacht]

Yeah just ignore it, also the enchant you want on rings is prolly these

[placid pivot]

!BIS

[dusky yacht]

It got buffed recently and I was already using them before anyway, but now with shadowstrike crits being such a big part of our dps, it became even more valuable

[placid pivot]

whats the command for the topsub sim

[frank wolf]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky yacht]

That actually reminds me, does anyone know of a way to see your crit damage, like the effective stat? I wanna see if it's actually been updated

[molten citrus]

have to check the damage of your crits compared to regular

in logs or your combat log in game

[dusky yacht]

I'm sorry I asked tbh

I'll just trust blizzard

Surely they know what they're doing

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/math-zack-galifianakis-thinking-calculating-gif-5120792

[dreamy wedge]

@dusky yacht What are you basing that eyes of the eagle idea on?

Just feelscraft?

[keen dome]

We want big crit and more crit dam is good

[frank wolf]

The enchant itself got buffed, and crit is extremely valuable now anyway

[keen dome]

Rogue naturally crits a lot in general so increasing crit damage is incredibly strong for us regardless and now even moreso since cloud cover

[frank wolf]

Id wager more people are too low on crit than too high, given that we were haste/maste maxxing

[dusky yacht]

The enchant is crit damage, not crit %

[dreamy wedge]

Ye I get the logic, just didn't hear anything from the theory crafters on it so I wanted to know where the info is from.

[dusky yacht]

fuu's wowhead guide

[dreamy wedge]

Thank for the wowhead link.

[keen dome]

It's been the recommended enchant since the expansion launched, iirc. 'Cos big crit bigger better.

[dreamy wedge]

I must have missed it.

[keen dome]

Easily done since it's also not clear what it actually does

[frank wolf]

I know, more crit chance = more valuable crit damage

[dusky yacht]

True

Just making sure nobody's confused about that

[frigid light]

guys why does the ephemeral bond talen (increase healing 8% ) give us more dps compared to taking our old premedition talent (full cp after next stealth attack)?

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[red flame]

Premed bug.

[dusky yacht]

Because our Apex Talent is an amazingly designed and well thought out concept and execution.

[frigid light]

:D:D

[frank wolf]

Not bug unfortunately

Intended design

[frigid light]

sorry guys i didnt get the bug by now what does the bug fuck up in our kit?

[keen dome]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[frigid light]

tysm

[keen dome]

You can sim the difference yourself and you may mind it's small enough that you'd prefer to run premed.

[dusky yacht]

Or you follow the gospel to the letter and disregard these atheists

[red flame]

I went back to premed, felt awful w/o

[dusky yacht]

(I'm coping)

[keen dome]

It was 0.2% difference for me and absolutely w/e that's crit variance territory

[dreamy wedge]

The bug is not in the sim afaik

[peak ice]

Feels clunky without imo

[red flame]

Real af. Me simming WS vs PE was like 198 dps also

So I was like fuck it they both can stay

Premed & WS

[dreamy wedge]

For me the sim still likes preme and warning signs but my crit is kinda low.

[dusky yacht]

I think you should consider that a warning sign

[red flame]

I think I’m around 30 or 31% but idr

& WS->PE was like -198dps

[frigid light]

im losing 500 dps if i take premed

[red flame]

Didn’t sim premed->bond

[frigid light]

which is annoying tbh :D

[frank wolf]

The REAL question is are you guys running warning signs or planned execution fuck the premed

[peak ice]

I assume falling below 700 haste by changing ring enchants isn’t worth the crit damage increase from eyes of the eagle?

[red flame]

Read above msgs ^^

xd

[frank wolf]

My fault og

Yeah i lowkey wanna go back to warning signs

I feel like im never proccing the goddamn apex with PE

[red flame]

The best answer I got from asking like 3 separate occasions

Is that it literally does not matter

WS is more dmg in non-sblades dances & PE is more dmg inside sblades dances