subtlety

[finite hedge]

True

[timid rose]

I really wish they would show which talents are impacting a skill

[final agate]

There's an addon that does that.

[timid rose]

Oh neat. Would just be nice out of box feature though

[frank wolf]

I should have sent bonus rolls yesterday ffs

[carmine mango]

is there a reason, with new talent setup, why sectec would cost more than 30 energy, and not go off with my shadow blades macro? it's been not working properly since patch dropped

and no, it is not directional facing the target

[frank wolf]

becuase your shadow blades is costing you 30 energy

[stuck arrow]

It's that Blizzard macrod distract into blades effectively in patch lol

[timid rose]

That was my thought too. They should have split the difference. Your first roll would never have been a dupe, but now people who sent em and got lucky are going to be better off

[stuck arrow]

Statistically is like 6x more people that weren't unlucky.

[vast dust]

Took the chance and landed mythic Skyreach dagger and Mythic Skyreach feet. 🤘🏼

[stuck arrow]

And statistically, even if you were unlucky you're still ahead of people that didn't send rolls

[timid rose]

Yup

[frank wolf]

I don't get the "fix" either, feel like just giving everyone 1 more bonus roll would have been sufficient, compensatory roll for those that got a dupe on their second and and additional roll for those that waited, seems fair to me

[bleak night]

except the people who got bugged are exactly as far behind as they were originally in that case

[mortal snow]

They don't have logs for items dropped.

[bleak night]

and the people who are actually benefitting from this current arrangement would still benefit

[mortal snow]

Is the big issue. It didn't get saved to the database

[bleak night]

as shitty as it is, this is the way that has the most parity between everyone

[shrewd lantern]

there is no universally fair way to do it

[bleak night]

that they can realistically achieve

[shrewd lantern]

unless they just reset any item gained from rolls

and reset everyone to 2

[bleak night]

yeah they'd legit have to rollback everything that was rolled

and break everything im sure

not a viable solution

[shrewd lantern]

anyone who sent rolls and doesnt intend to roll the same place again made out though

major

[outer orchid]

my stats have been "fixed"
tempting to drop 21 haste for 27 crit

[maiden oar]

i hit the chim belt (dont need) and now theres a chance i hit chim belt again next wk so im just a reset behind

depends on what u sent it on if u sent it before the fix

[swift merlin]

what talent can i swap for premed?

[bleak night]

i rolled twice while it was bugged, got two shoulders

then rolled a third time after it was fixed, also got shoulders

[maiden oar]

hehehe

yeah if i get 2 belts in a row im going to go insane

[swift merlin]

my bad just saw

[bleak night]

so yeah im not ahead after the refund, im right where i should be

i guess im up two dawn crystals though

[vast dust]

Sometimes taking a risk pays off…..sometimes you end up swimming in shoulders

[bleak night]

[maiden oar]

[shrewd lantern]

he says that

while having a terrible mog

ok dud

people who mog that helm are stuck in 2004

mentally i swear

[frank wolf]

technically you also had more chance of rolling tertiary - super unfair

[wintry heart]

Has the refund already happened

[bleak night]

not yet

next few days apparently

will probably take some time

[analog hearth]

Any fix for the SD bug where its sometimes just unpressable especially in opener

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/liquids-max-talks-rogue-raid-buff-situation/2296187/8 dropped a new forum post, be sure to hit it with a like if you can ❤️

i dunno why the preview shows the comment i was looking at before copying the URL link

weird

[wintry heart]

How have you rolled a 3rd time already? Vault tokens?

[bleak night]

yeah

i had tokens from a previous vault i hadnt spent on a socket yet

[maiden oar]

[tribal blade]

being able to supply a link to max (the person the devs listen to the most in wow) is massive

[swift tinsel]

He reminds me of Jaimie Foxx’s Electro before he became Electro

If that makes sense

[tribal blade]

LOL i think i get what you mean

[vast dust]

Did the same. Got mythic Skyreach dagger, mythic Skyreach boots and mythic Skyreach cloak. And getting three void cores back. Gamble paid off, hot damn.

[bleak night]

yeah theres definitely some people who absolutely get ahead this way

couldve been me but the shoulder gods didnt like me

[vast dust]

Crazy whack to do but I’ll take abvantage.

[bleak night]

also not like theres crests to spend on it all anyway

[vast dust]

Makes up for my great vault garbage this week

[crystal bone]

what do you guys drop for PP on myth dragons?

weapon master or rotten?

[wintry heart]

I got myth track belt from pit and I cannot wait to get it again with my roll next

[still gazelle]

So are the first 6 seconds or so supposed to feel REAL slow now?

[tribal blade]

use finality+PP on dragons

[pulsar flame]

It happens me too

[vast dust]

At least it will be with a refucded voidcore

[crystal bone]

yea i just decided to not be lazy and look it up on logs

[tribal blade]

huge 😉

[crystal bone]

im just debating whether or not i wanna run premed

or get used to new timings

[vast dust]

Premed feels WAY better

[crystal bone]

reclearing tomorrow

[thin sinew]

Try both. some bosses feel better without premed due to boss movement

well that and the cloud

so second GCD blades can be a bit of a self grief

So you've got time to build with backstabs.
I was against it at first but it's not actually too bad

[gleaming patrol]

no premed feels not fun to play

[frank wolf]

I had crybaby bitch mode engaged a couple of days ago about not running it, I still think running premed is better, but its only REALLY bad in the opener, its value diminishes once the fight starts.

[thin sinew]

what's worse is having to run back to your cloud from popping it too early

[serene notch]

Do we have a theoretical best build and load out sim example if we want to just ignore haste?

[short radish]

[serene notch]

I’m kinda down to ignore modernity and go back to monke right now

[short radish]

understandable

i suppose you just take one out of deepning shadows

and put it wherever you want

[bleak night]

goremaws

[short radish]

either TFD or WM

[serene notch]

I wonder if we go back to liking Vers>crit in cases of no haste builds

[short radish]

probably crit > mast > vers > haste

but idk

if you wanna return to monkee

just get whatever anyway

stats dont matter to monkee

[serene notch]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[ornate stump]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

The AoE rotation on subtlety starts with 2 targets. This means:

• Shadowstrike with exactly 2 targets.
• Shuriken Storm with 2 or more targets.
• Black Powder with 2 or more targets.
• Hero talents: Keep using Evis for Coup de Grace / "Darkest Night`.

[wispy star]

so we are runing now crit flasks, right?

[short radish]

chimp on brotherman

may your bananas be ever so slightly ripe

[bleak night]

bananas?

[short radish]

banana

[bleak night]

[serene notch]

Only one banana for monkee

[short radish]

[serene notch]

I suppose I should put my subscription to raid bots to some real use and start simming monkee builds

[rain swift]

what is the active % for in warcraft logs? is it how often you're attacking during the fight?

[serene notch]

It’s your uptime

[rain swift]

ah

[tall girder]

Wooo fim

[short radish]

Wooooo jontic

[tall girder]

Come Rundle mall

[short radish]

LOL

[tall girder]

Hahahah

Or are u out in the boonies

[short radish]

Head to the malls balls?

[tall girder]

Ye mate

[short radish]

nah im just WFH

and never leave the house

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/cancelled-my-subscription/2290450

damn this goes hard

[short radish]

it did until they started talking about "sub doing no damage outside sdance" and "assi being energy starved"

[tribal blade]

yeah those were a big iffy

[short aurora]

ye what i thought

[tribal blade]

but people really REALLY do not like sin's energy situation atm

[short aurora]

i dont like any rogue situation rn

[tribal blade]

by far the biggest complaint i see on the forums is the energy situation with sin/outlaw

[short aurora]

i miss rupture sniping as assa

[short radish]

im convinced people who play sin won't be happy unless energy just gets deleted

[tribal blade]

lol true

i just don't like how much energy CT costs

[short aurora]

just random add 69 dies and you are full energy

good times

i miss shadow dust

i miss df outlaw

most of the fun got sucked out off every spec i feel like

[tribal blade]

the main take away though is how useless rogue is utility wise

and raid buff wise

[somber sun]

unpopular opinion we should have infinite energy

[short aurora]

just need 30 to proc your hero choice node

[hollow compass]

whats up with this input delay or whatever on second shadow dance in blades?

i have to press it like 3 times for it to register

[short radish]

i dont think you have an unpopular opinion

i think it's a wrong opinion but it's not an unpopular one

like you can't have energy as a resource for rogue

without having periods where you can't press buttons

every single other spec (other than feral and maybe ww monk) basically have no downtime

[warm marlin]

a few people have mentioned it

seems rare

[haughty drum]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[pastel geyser]

does this require a specific amount of haste?

[haughty drum]

^ question on blades if anyone can answer. 20 second blades. sending second dance at like 12-13 seconds. if secret techniques comes up around 17 seconds without a dance. do you go ahead and send it in the last 4-5 seconds of blades

[craggy quail]

12.0.5?

[somber sun]

ofc I was just joking

rogue is kinda fine now, for sub at least

when the bug will be fixed, it will be another game

[tribal blade]

with this bonus roll refund

[serene notch]

Output is ok for us, issue is we don’t offset avg throughput with meaningful raid buff

[tribal blade]

do we want to spend our bonus rolls asap

[short radish]

idk rogue isn't really fine

[short radish]

doesnt matter

if you get them

more power to you

if youve already gotten the loot from the dungeons/raid you wanted

then you can go target something else

[tribal blade]

i meant more so they're refunding because of the bug

[short radish]

i assume the bug has already been "fixed"

so anyone who rolls now

probably wont get another bonus roll

but what do i know

since i held

and now have 2 less myth track gear

[serene notch]

I think rolling now is a trap but who knows what blizzard will do they are fickle

[tribal blade]

all the info is very confusing

[rain swift]

btw should we recraft waist to have crit instead of mastery?

[serene notch]

Sim it

[north garnet]

It feels so bad

[frank wolf]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

the worst thing about playing games with other people is that there are other people

[serene notch]

Well I do think subs identity is peaks and troughs…..it does feel like our identity

[fossil forge]

Do you have infinite crests

[serene notch]

It would be nice if blizzard had and stuck to a design philosophy for each spec

[chilly tree]

is there an amount of targets where you dont press coup de grace?

or however its spelled

[short radish]

no

press it

[rain swift]

yeah my sim says +339 dps with crit haste instead of mast haste

[somber sun]

only played in tbc, can't really tell much

why aren't they " fixing " the issue with rogue tho

I mean stats speak for themselves

[tribal blade]

so the way it sounds

if you didn't spend your rerolls before the hotfix went out

because you were worried about the bug or didn't have the opportunity to use them yet

you're fucked

[warm marlin]

not really

[tribal blade]

and down 1-2 myth track pieces

oh no?

[warm marlin]

rolls before the hotfix still arent in the dupe pool

[tribal blade]

it's all so confusing lol

[warm marlin]

so people can use their new tokens and get those items again

[tribal blade]

but you still are down myth track items

[warm marlin]

if you got something usable then yes, you are up good from the refund

if you lowrolled in raid particularly

you are behind a week

[north garnet]

Few people who got lucky and got that 1 item they wanted i guess they are ahead

[lucid jackal]

Half the time I read a reddit thread talking about how terrible the state of rogue is

[north garnet]

but i dont think it matters

[lucid jackal]

Half the comments are just objectively wrong

and have bad taste

[tribal blade]

i held on to my rerolls

[spare quiver]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tribal blade]

so i'm just fucked

[somber sun]

btw does the token count in what you already got from the raid/m+ dungeon ? ( without any prior use )

[lucid jackal]

so in a lot of ways, I'm sort of glad the devs keep rogue the way it is, in a lot of ways

[tribal blade]

this is FUCKING CRAZY

I HATE BLIZZ

[lucid jackal]

Its far from perfect, needs a lot of improvements

But omg

I'm so glad we still feel like rogue, and not like a ret paladin rn

[short radish]

im glad we have some common ground

the stat prio one got me good

[warm marlin]

ye people who rolled keys are up fine-great

people who rolled raid are up omega good or down bad a bit

[short radish]

everyone who rolled gaze

are wining so much

[warm marlin]

people like me who rolled gaze and now are just up 2 tokens

[tribal blade]

bro

[warm marlin]

are up insane

[tribal blade]

this is insane

[warm marlin]

but also

i dont have the crests to upgrade all these items

so i wont benefit for a while

[tribal blade]

i can't belive i'm getting fucked because i knew about the bug and waited

[warm marlin]

im already in 120 crests of debt and now i will get 160 more crests of debt from the extra bonus rolls

and then next week maybe another 160

plus vault

[serene notch]

Maybe just do dinar system ……..>_>

Don’t know why we reinvent wheels to break

[short radish]

no

this is a good system

well

it's better

[rain swift]

if u hold on to ur rerolls, do they stack with the ones for next week?

[tribal blade]

why couldn't they have just given everyone across the board 2 extra rerolls

[short radish]

gear shouldn't be completely free

[tribal blade]

that's acutally fair

[lucid jackal]

Because change is fun

[short radish]

i think the acceptable compromise is 1 token for everyone who hasn't rolled

[serene notch]

Hmm educate me why this is better more fun the dinar? This is an honest question

[lucid jackal]

Gives access to dungeon gear

[serene notch]

Dinar did?

[lucid jackal]

Dinars gave u trinkets and proc items

Not the entire loot table

[serene notch]

I see

[tribal blade]

couldn't they have just done the thing with when sparks got fucked

[lucid jackal]

Bonus rolls give you the entire loot table

[short radish]

i will die on my elitist hill that mythic raid gear shouldn't also be free

[lucid jackal]

These are also given to us WAY sooner than dinars are

dinars are usually .7

these are .5

[serene notch]

So we expect dinar in the .7?

[short radish]

no

[lucid jackal]

nope

[serene notch]

I’m prob an outlier but i really dislike gearing and the haves and have nots

[hushed roost]

when are the extra voidcores coming in anyway

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin +60 to my gilded crest debt

[vague spoke]

i feel like im taking crazy pills, why is my backstab button not turning into shadowstrike when in in dance now

was this a baked in blizzard thing or was i using a macro that broke

i dont even know

[tribal blade]

reload UI

or reload game

[short radish]

you're not. you're probably the majority

[warm marlin]

yes

[short radish]

but i think there should be some gates that need to be kept

in order for people doing "harder" content to feel like theyve achived more

[lucid jackal]

I think the dinar vendors are fin, sometimes

[short radish]

again i am fully aware how elitist that statement is

[lucid jackal]

I don't think the soltuin to gearing every single expac is just "JUST ADD A VENDOR"

where U can just go and shop

[vague spoke]

this didnt fix it

[warm marlin]

I really don't care and wouldnt mind by .7 if you could just buy every piece of loot in the game

[vague spoke]

it's been a few dungeons in a row and i was like wow wtf

[serene notch]

I respect that but don’t agree. Harder content can equal mounts cosmetics etc but not player power imo

[shrewd lantern]

i have to only spend on sectech during dances

[vague spoke]

but a reload mid run has also done nothing

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin i found how to have 7 sc for egg

[tribal blade]

try restarting your game

[shrewd lantern]

(im hating this already)

[odd jacinth]

should have specific cosmetetics for prestige for higher raiding/pvp/M+

[serene notch]

Having to regrind bis gear for years on end has just stop being fun for me

[short radish]

but harder content has always equaled player power

that is the entire concept of wow gear progression

[lucid jackal]

Grinding for bis gear is the video game

[lucid jackal]

Id rathare have brolls now than dinars in .7

[short radish]

i think this is a good compromise between RNG and free gear

because if you get fucked on loot for 6 weeks in a row

[ashen trail]

whats the stat prio for sub mainly M+ ?

[short radish]

you can still get that one BIS trinket that you need

[serene notch]

So in my case I am excluded from bis gear cause I don’t mythic raid. But I would like a chance at it since I push keys. I would like a system that can accommodate that.

[buoyant shale]

Question: The Wowhead guide doesn't have us take cloud cover on dragons. Is that jsut for norm/heroic? Is it worth taking for myth since they are stacked and dont move?

[warm marlin]

i like brolls because they give m+ loot of any kind

i wouldnt mind them but i dont particularly like that you have to repeatedly clear the content

i remember my roots as an m+er only and i feel for them still

[lapis dagger]

Pick cloud cover

[tribal blade]

i think the entire point of mythic raiding is you get those amazing items

or else what's the point

[vague spoke]

this also didnt fix it

[tribal blade]

no idea tbh

[vague spoke]

guess im PUSHING A SECOND BUTTON

THANKS BLIZZARD

[serene notch]

I’m 40 year old dad with 2 kids mythic raiding is not in the cards for me

But pushing to 3700 is

[tribal blade]

grinding keys is a bigger time commitment than raid in general

[short radish]

slightly hot take, but having the heroic version of whatever trinket is more than good enough for p*shing keys

[serene notch]

But it’s at will timing aka kids are asleep

[tribal blade]

yes you see that with rank 1 players

they run their alts in rank 1 keys

only down a few % dps

and still do big dammy

[warm marlin]

while true it does a lot of mental damage

[short radish]

i know everything matters and counts

[lucid jackal]

He probably forgot to update the "build guides per boss" section if I had to guess

Play cloud cover on everything

[serene notch]

I need all the help I can get T_T

[lucid jackal]

Every system has an opportunity cost

[short radish]

yeah that's why it's a hot and elitist take

im fully aware how shit of a take it is

[tribal blade]

for us mortals yes true lol

[lucid jackal]

Obviously I'm the 0.1% here, but dinars almost every season did fucking nothing for me

Like by the time dinars came out

I needed 1 item, MAYBE

[warm marlin]

idk i thought my mentality might change when i transitioned to pure raiding but it didnt

idc if they get raid loot

[lucid jackal]

and then like, they sat there and did nothing, for us players it felt very boring

Bonus rolls, being early is nice, and it makes dungeon look really good

[swift tinsel]

I'm kind of a fan of the new system

[short radish]

i'm the exact opposite. i'm a pure raider that gets forced into m+

[swift tinsel]

vs just having a vendor

[serene notch]

I’m glad your recognize your elites jerk @lucid jackal 🙂

[swift tinsel]

bc it feels more like an extension of luck vs a handout

[tribal blade]

it gets rid of the enormous problem of needing to roll your bis item from keys in vault

[swift tinsel]

did I get it to drop normally or in vault? no? I can roll for another shot.

[short radish]

okay tell us more about your tww s3 vault

[serene notch]

Dammit let me have my BiS gear and still not time a 20 OK!

[tribal blade]

also the fact that you can now have a bad vault and take tokens to buy 1 reroll

is massive

[lucid jackal]

Okay my vaults were bad but literally but I still didnt even use my dinars on my rogue for prism of ritual forge

[tribal blade]

enormous

[lucid jackal]

Like

LOLOL

LIke I feel thats a perfect example

I got fucked, and I didn't even use the system

[short radish]

yeah tbh i also didn't use any dinars on my rogue

[lucid jackal]

Again I'm like the 1% of the 1% here

[short radish]

but .07 patch came out super late

[lucid jackal]

But like

Ive barely used dinars every season

[tribal blade]

dinars saved my life

being in mid level CE guild

they were huge

[short radish]

i think the game does need some BLP

[warm marlin]

when my friends were in lower ranked CE guilds I know they would kill a boss 15 times and never get sylv bow for example

[short radish]

and these bonus rolls have accomplished it

[warm marlin]

or transmitter

or not sylv bow

raza bow?

idk theres so many bows

[short radish]

we were a mid CE guild at the time and still never saw a sylv bos

[vast dust]

Ok, this kinda slaps….

https://open.spotify.com/track/6sLM8cAOFGkKClC0vMOSLf?si=FGrdSWmPQXeH0a45lIubdQ

[short radish]

hunters

[tribal blade]

i think the only issue with these bonus rolls is high or low rolling

it's still rng based

[vast dust]

Rogue music

[serene notch]

Maybe it’s time for a divorce so I can mythic raid….

[tribal blade]

but eventually you'll get it

[swift tinsel]

I actually kind of like that about it

[tribal blade]

but in before some people complete their bis setup with rerolls in a few weeks

[swift tinsel]

because you know you get it eventually

[tribal blade]

and others it takes the entire season

or doesn't even happen

[swift tinsel]

to me that feels like an extension of normal gearing

because that still happens even without this system

having it be semi-deterministic and also allowing you a chance to forgo a vault pick

[oak falcon]

Anyone know if Shadowblades is still bugged with the 30 energy?

[swift tinsel]

still allows for the cool moment of Hey I Got It!

[subtle gazelle]

yup

[oak falcon]

Shucks, ok

[swift tinsel]

and IMO the vendor iteration took that part away

[strong light]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle gazelle]

also really cool that shrouded just obscures everything on the ground

[tribal blade]

good point

[subtle gazelle]

big value

[lucid jackal]

This is like the biggest issue blizzard as a whole has when it comes to the community comestimes

Over appeasement

[swift tinsel]

showering people in hero gear has me tending to agree

I feel like I'm getting decently geared with very very minimal effort

and only really being gatekept by crests

its kind of a weird balance bc you want people to feel rewarded for their time investment

but you can have very very very drastically different levels of time investment

and I feel like everyone should have access to all content but not necessarily earn all of the rewards from said content

bc skill/organizational levels exist

[short radish]

yeah

like ryldd said. it sucks mentally not having myth version of your bis trinket

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah 100%

[short radish]

but youre at like 97% efficiency without it if you have heroic version

(pulling numbers out of my ass)

like my ret paladin is running around with champ pvp 1min trinket and heroic vorasius passive trinket

and im still dumpstering everyone else i've been in a group with

[serene notch]

As a pugging m+ it has weird knock on effect like being invited or not even when score ok

[swift tinsel]

trinkets are poop bc there's always one that you absolutely need to have

[short radish]

knowing how and when to use cds impact more than gear

[swift tinsel]

you can't craft an alternative

ye

[short radish]

ye i kind feel bad for casters and vaelgors

since there is no real alternative

like we had pbox which is shit but it can be used

[vast dust]

I played 2004-2008 and came back in War Within.
It used to be VERY gated with top gear in the top raids and if you didn’t have 40 people you weren’t raiding.

Top gear is SO much more accessible now.

[warm marlin]

i do remember the dark days of m+ing where you just couldnt get myth track pieces

[short radish]

uhdk was kinda fucked without guidon even more than us

[warm marlin]

or before upgrade tracks

[serene notch]

Just give me a world where after N score in m+ you can get bis…..I don’t think it’s that outlandish

[swift tinsel]

or just the weekly chest instead of the weekly vault

[warm marlin]

the invent of mythic crafting in df1

back when it was -3 ilvls

[swift tinsel]

minus embellishments I'm pretty content with current crafting

at least in terms of being able to make weapons and some off-pieces that can still be competetive with your best options from raid/m+

[pure cloud]

Or idk if you’re already raiding mythic have a way to just upgrade something from heroic to mythic after so many kills or whatever

[swift tinsel]

yeah I actually don't mind this idea that much

[tribal blade]

was a huge problem for people who only keyed

[warm marlin]

ye I wasnt interested in raid at the time at all

started playing some keys with the lads

[swift tinsel]

ye we have a few folks who almost zero percent raid who were ready to quit

[warm marlin]

was just down 20 ilvl

no counterplay

[tribal blade]

yeah being at the mercy of your weekly vault lol

i've heard horror stories

[short radish]

anyone remember when weekly vault was a weekly chest

[tribal blade]

YES

[pure cloud]

Bfa

[tribal blade]

and you got 1 item

that shit was so bad

[warm marlin]

m+ing only has gained massively since even start of tww

[lucid jackal]

M+ gearing is both unreal levels of OP and also not good

[warm marlin]

which i think is good

[lucid jackal]

But with bonus rolls and the vault and crafting M+ feels so fine for gearing

[short radish]

i think from a total time commitment now. raiders have to m+ more than m+ers have to raid

[lucid jackal]

Ur behind but like, oh well, play more content if u want more gear

Raiders have to M+ spam to gear

is what it is

[pure cloud]

I’ve never stepped foot into mythic and now mythic raiding is the only way to improve my gear

[vast dust]

I think the intention is to try to get more people doing mythic raiding in the future

[fierce wigeon]

meld doesnt work in raid riight

[tidal solstice]

i know some yall doin better but im stoked my guild got this now

[short radish]

gzgz

[tidal solstice]

that fight felt harder than the first few mythic bosses

[short radish]

it definitely is

a lot of fights this tier

are very dependent on tanks knowing what to do

[pure cloud]

I just work odd hours and can’t really get to a serious group, so I’m just kinda sittin here gear capped for what I’m doing

[short radish]

and after years of just "pressing taunt swap at x stacks"

the difference between good tanks and bad tanks are really showing

[tidal solstice]

that fight needs every person on point

you can make like, one mistake and still recover.

[short radish]

also that yeah

the numbers check are also much much higher

even on heroic

[tidal solstice]

thankfulyl our dps allowed us to just zerg p3

[short radish]

compared to the rest of the raid

[pure cloud]

Tanking in general feels harder rn, even in m+, but I am blood so…

[silver hearth]

how do I get those black bars to show up when we get a proc

[keen mirage]

turn spell opacity up in options

or spell alert opacity i think its called

[pure cloud]

I’m also not good at this game to be clear

[short radish]

tanking in keys are definitely harder this season

[pure cloud]

I always find out my key is too high on the belfs before second boss on terrace

[short radish]

not sure if it's the mobs youre talking about

but gotta be careful of their charge

[pure cloud]

It’s like spell warded

Warden. Shoots lines of purple circles and has tank buster

[short radish]

oh

yeah

they hurt

[wintry heart]

Can we safely recraft?

[final agate]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[lucid jackal]

I did just before raid with no issue

Somebody who had the issue on tuesday, have their craft back today so

I'd say eys?

[somber sun]

yeah you can

I've been limit testing everyday

you should be good

[fierce wigeon]

you cant meld for SS in raid right

[serene notch]

just got home from salary man life, anyway I think my thesis is reasonable. People who push content should get a shot at BiS gear at some level of N rating in M+ or Arena should be considered pushing content (top 1-2%?)

[compact jungle]

did they change how suprising strikes works with smoke bomb today? im progging beloren and my crit shadowstrikes are hitting for half of what they did last night am i schizo?

[scenic relic]

Am I crazy or does shadow strike deal more damage than 7 point evisc?

[lucid jackal]

Rotten shadowstrikes do a lot of damage

but evis damage is split

[brisk onyx]

wut?

[steep raven]

You're not

[scenic relic]

Is it better to spam ss in dance instead of ss/evisc?

[lucid jackal]

No

[steep raven]

No

[scenic relic]

prob not bc of find weakness?

oh and I guess supercharged

[steep raven]

It does more damage because of apex

[lucid jackal]

Theres a lot of conditonals

[steep raven]

If you just spam you won't proc apex

[lucid jackal]

cant look at tooltip

[compact jungle]

idk dawg i think im having a schzio break

unlucky egg phases today i gues

[warm marlin]

your strike crits still doing like 4x your non crits

looks normal

[compact jungle]

ya i realized

[chilly tree]

it safe to macro SB with dance and ST right?

[compact jungle]

i was misremembering something

[vocal hare]

guys is it normal that when shadowstike from stealth i dont get full c points?

[lucid jackal]

yes

[vocal hare]

they touched something?

[steep raven]

Did you touch your tree?

[lucid jackal]

we dont take this talent anymore

[vocal hare]

ahh ok

sorry im new to the class

[lucid jackal]

Has a negative interaction with our apex

Ur good

Its bad vibes but its good damage

It should only matter in the actual opener

[tribal blade]

depending on your stats it's neutral

[lucid jackal]

Ur other dances should just work

Since u pool

[tribal blade]

to take premed

[chilly tree]

wait we dont take premed for what? Raids? M+?

[warm marlin]

LMFAO

[lucid jackal]

LOLOL

[vocal hare]

yes it's just the start of the fight

i'ts a little bit weird

[warm marlin]

crazy

[oak sorrel]

did ranger-captain insignia randomly become bis after the patch?

or still below gaze/guidon

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin how did you do you over 300k egg phase

btw

i havent gotten past 250

[short radish]

copius amounts of afk

is my assumption

[fiery summit]

Sigh, new hotfixes no cloud energy cost fix

[gilded ferry]

https://x.com/i/status/2047500099430044109

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

Blizzard has released a Hotfix, which corrects several issues related to Marksmanship Hunters, Affliction Warlocks, & Destruction Warlocks.

#Midnight #Warcraft

https://t.co/NEQAxh52T4

X · Apr 24, 2026, 2:17 AM

Amazing

[warm marlin]

gaze proc and mildly lucky crits

idk

you need to hit triple sectec in the burn

[shrewd lantern]

my third one is slightly falling out

am i trolling

xd

or it wont be supercharged

[tidal solstice]

hey blizz if rogues are a modern class what the f is this

[warm marlin]

it wont be supercharged

itll be like the last 2s of the burn

at least with my haste

i was only running like 697 with box

[shrewd lantern]

you just immediately are third dancing i asssume

even with guidon its not really

[warm marlin]

was box guidon

er

box gaze

not double on use anymore

and no

dance last 8s of burn

[shrewd lantern]

xd

actually why are my sectechs limp dick

[final agate]

Still no rogue fix...

[spring basin]

Slightly off topic, but I've noticed that most mobs this expack can't be pick pocketed

[tidal solstice]

let me know when you find any

[spring basin]

Only consistently pickpocketable mobs have been in delves

[warm marlin]

i can clip the burn for you in like 15 mins

when our raid ends

[spring basin]

And then random rare humanoids in the world

I know because I just automatically pickpocket any humanoid I run into out of years of habit

Also lockboxes just give gold now, no boes

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i need to check why my sectechs were so anemic

[ripe flame]

With guidon its easy with box I'm using haste flask to be able to

[short radish]

i would also like to see your cook

i think the best burn i've gotten was 280k

[warm marlin]

the old giga tech is dead

[ripe flame]

Don't know if its placebo but my damage on the egg is way higher with box so I'm sticking with that atm

[hollow compass]

So you do first dance, wait for 4 seconds to use the second dance for the last 8 remaining seconds of sblades?

[lucid jackal]

Pickpocket was relevant last expansion, and has a bunch of roleplay stuff attatched to it.
Lockpick is relevant in dungeons sometimes, also for lockboxes when they do or dont decide those are common drops in an expansion
Detection is an ability you have to go to a vendor to learn

[short radish]

when was the last time lock picking was relevant since bfa?

[hollow compass]

Is premed worth running on beloren? Since you have to pre use puzzle box i feel like getting immediately into sblades is more important

[lucid jackal]

Shouldnt u be going into beloren fully stacked on everything

[gilded thistle]

premed #1, always worth running

[shrewd lantern]

yeah dont think i've been able to get 3rd st charged

[finite lynx]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[lucid jackal]

Tol dagor was the last dungeon iirc

[shrewd lantern]

270k

not quite 300k club yet

[hollow compass]

Wdym? Im talking about for the first few seconds of the pull

[tidal solstice]

i guess druids do have shit like flap and charm woodland creature lol

[lucid jackal]

Oh ur talking like

On pull on pull

[hollow compass]

Yea

[lucid jackal]

Uhhhh, wouldnt U want to not puzzlebox?

Isn't the entire strat still just "Kill eggs"

Like all ur optimization should be focused on egg dmg

[hollow compass]

If you precast it at 7 seconds on countdown itll be up for burn phase

[short radish]

yeah bfa. i dont even think ive seen lockboxes this expansion as well

[warm marlin]

idk the p1 damage isnt really important

we hold dps forever on boss anyway

[lucid jackal]

^^

[warm marlin]

i just cba pre puzzle

[hollow compass]

Thats fair

[short radish]

i also thought p1 damage wasnt important

[warm marlin]

also no premed biggie burst

[short radish]

i was wrong

[hollow compass]

How much more is your burst without premed?

Idk if theres any actual numbers

[lucid jackal]

well considering prmed is a DPS Loss

xd

[hollow compass]

Ya by how much

[lucid jackal]

no premed literally only affects the opener

[ripe flame]

oh charged never

just at the end

[lilac stag]

Just use the opener and stop the premed use

[ripe flame]

of the burn

[lucid jackal]

Its like half a percent DPS loss iirc

[lilac stag]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[sterile nacelle]

Hey guys, since I’m getting my rerolls back because I rolled before the fix, my question is: can you roll twice with 4 tokens on the same Mythic raid boss? Otherwise, I’ll spend my 2 tokens somewhere else..

[wintry heart]

It worth it to full max these?

[short radish]

you can't kill a mythic boss more than once a week

[wintry heart]

I have the crests

[warm marlin]

idk but you both get to apex eviscerates on dance start

and get more strike value

i think it was more dps gain to drop in belo burn style sim than normal

[hollow compass]

Mm ok ok

[warm marlin]

the way i played p1

[sterile nacelle]

yea I am talking about next ID, when I have 4 Reroll Cores, Can I spend 4 on the same boss to roll twice?

[warm marlin]

im doing below disc priest damage

[hollow compass]

Think pbox always better? I have a 276 one but i may get myth guidon

[warm marlin]

to everything but eggs

[hollow compass]

For belo

[warm marlin]

276 box > guidon

[short radish]

doubt it

[ripe flame]

guess the people holding for the egg

[warm marlin]

65k

[jade oasis]

i need to blacklist dev dh players from my keys man

[warm marlin]

i did 50k sometimes

huge damage

[jade oasis]

somehow theyre all disappointing

[cinder roost]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[warm marlin]

@hollow compass @shrewd lantern this is a 295k pull where pretty much every gcd is perfect

[ripe flame]

[warm marlin]

vanish backstab classic

[shrewd lantern]

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

what causes that

[warm marlin]

being bad

[topaz crow]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[warm marlin]

all melee abilities have startattack in them by default

if you press it before gcd ready

[ripe flame]

stealth taking 2 business days to take place

[warm marlin]

you melee auto

and break vanish

[spice matrix]

the 5 supercharger stack

[warm marlin]

you can still do good little egg damage this way btw

just gotta pick that or middling boss damage

[silver hearth]

are we supposed to send shadow dance during shadowblades without technique

[ripe flame]

you sack your "parse" but you actually help kill the boss

[outer orchid]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

im also using dance charges to soak every time

our boss damage is uhh

suffering

[shrewd lantern]

i'm doing some jank shit

i.e only spending superchargers on sectech or coup

prior

[warm marlin]

if you skip the second dance of first blades

you can sectec the first little egg set

and sectec coup the second

and u actually do big damage to them

[shrewd lantern]

im sending cds on egg spawn

[hollow compass]

Are you still pre pull puzzleboxing too

[shrewd lantern]

i have a champ box

:)

no choice

[warm marlin]

you probably can

[ripe flame]

I mean you could, but is it worth it

[hollow compass]

That shit feels soo bad just puzzle boxing and then using the first 5 seconds of pull hitting backstab lol

[hollow compass]

Wdym is it worth it the alternative is you dont use it at all til the burn haha

[warm marlin]

we have some terrorists with prepulls

[ripe flame]

first burn isn't always at 2 min exactly or close to

so you'd have to box like 7 secs before pull or something like that

[hollow compass]

Ya thats what i do

[warm marlin]

its definitely just a gain with no downside

i was just too lazy to do it and didnt want the risk of prepull

i didnt want to drop premed

and my second dance of blades is spent standing in a soak out of melee

[hollow compass]

Ya i might just say fuck it and still run premed

[warm marlin]

can also delay blades for more first egg set damage

[ripe flame]

yea

that's what I'm doing so boxing an empty dance at pull is like

[hollow compass]

Surely the extra 5 seconds of pbox in my cds on pull is worth more than not running premed

[warm marlin]

I will certainly not play like this if i decide to try to parse this tier ill say that

[small vortex]

is the shadowblades energy bug fixed yet or no?

[candid mural]

Has anyone tested yet if distract also gives us the cloud cover bonuses, since there seems to be a bug that casts both when we press shadowblades?

[warm marlin]

idk like im doing 20k boss dps in p1 and we are still holding dps

u will parse like garbage

[brisk onyx]

[tribal blade]

16 MT

[short radish]

does not

[tribal blade]

is it sin in keys main time

[brisk onyx]

😭

[short radish]

casting distract also does not prevent cc from being casted

[tribal blade]

i dunno just spam cast CT

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[tribal blade]

top dps

[short radish]

sub rogue gets buffed and this man still goes and plays sin

[tribal blade]

lol

[tribal blade]

TRUEEE

i actually am trying sin because of cloud cover

because it's fucking aids in pugs

[short radish]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/news/24265942

We care deeply about this game, and we play it right alongside you. We will do better.

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[spice matrix]

[tribal blade]

LOL

[sharp ravine]

[copper siren]

watching damage output in logs for keys has been interesting this season. Sub was doing the best to start then buffs and Sin started to pull ahead, now more buffs and i'm seeing outlaw quickly catching up. Normally there's one spec that pulls ahead but it feels every other week it changes haha. I like it but trying to finish 16's and get into 17's and was thinking about going to Sin cuz I just wasn't quite getting enough dps as sub, but now maybe outlaw? They also gave sub a buff so maybe stick with sub?

[brisk onyx]

Claude/gpt will do better

[pure cloud]

My problem is I in literally nothing about the other specs, and am trash, so it takes me like 2 weeks to actually play at acceptable level

[jade oasis]

buffs feel good in m+

[copper siren]

i'm much the same. I use muscle memory alot so when I change specs I take a bit to get to the level I need. Why I don't like changing specs if I don't have to but sometimes when one spec is buffed and is clearly becoming the "meta spec" you feel you gotta make the shift to get invites and make progress.

[final agate]

I feel ya, for me it's that Sub just feels more fun. Assassin is meh and Outlaw is a temu pirate.

[pure cloud]

Yeah I’m 281 and 3k it’s still tough to even get an invite to a 13

[final agate]

Wild

[final agate]

Don't run your own keys?

[pure cloud]

I didn’t have a key this week I was sitting on my vault

[final agate]

Aaah

[copper siren]

i'm 278 and 3236. I often wait until I have guildies or run my own key, though even running my own i've had people leave right away. Usually if i have a guildie who is a tank, heal or one of the strongest dps specs I don't have any issues with people leaving once invited to my key lol.

[jade oasis]

if it makes u feel better

[final agate]

It's odd especially when you look at the numbers, pretty sure most (if not all) specs are running 16+

[jade oasis]

im the same and dont get invited to 10s

[final agate]

That is crazy.

[pure cloud]

I’d say it because people are trying to make specific comps

[short radish]

because there are 50 other dps applying to the same 10 key

[final agate]

Fair point.

[final agate]

And true. I main BDK and run my own keys with guildies so, no real issues there. Now that I'm alting rogue... Probably still going to run my own key XD

[pure cloud]

Idk what best comp for rogue would be. Aug ele maybe

[granite rose]

I Heard its bad to macro balde and guidon in same macro cause its bugged somehow

[final agate]

Probably sham too

[granite rose]

is this true

[copper siren]

its silly though at those lower keys for have specific comps. Almost any key in the 10-12 range i'm the highest dps even over the meta comp classes. Just take the biggest ilvl/io and go.

[lilac stag]

Brm, resto sham, arms devourer

[final agate]

Agreed Decius, at 10-12... That's cake.

[pure cloud]

I agree but the weirdest subset of any community is always the people like two steps below the actual tryhards

[final agate]

Oh yeah, Brm for sure. That +5% phys buff

[final agate]

Those are usually the ones that only take meta picks but play like dogshit.

[pure cloud]

Brm?

[short radish]

brew master

[final agate]

Brewmaster monk

[short radish]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[final agate]

They give you a +5% phys dmg buff.

[short radish]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation is up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3. (This does not matter much numerically, but feels weird)

[final agate]

Aside from being the meta tank now

[pure cloud]

Yeah it’s mostly that and Druid in upper tiers right now,

[ripe flame]

scrambled eggs chef

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[final agate]

Now I want some scrambled eggs.

[pure cloud]

What’s devourer doing that’s good for rogue?

In a comp I mean

[shell vector]

Do they do chaos brand?

[pure cloud]

Idk I’d figure you’d want like an enhancement so you could run resto drud

[final agate]

Yeah, no idea what DDH brings for rogues.

Aside from cracked DPS, which is probably all anyone eants.

[lilac stag]

A shit to of dmg and chaos brand

[shell vector]

Am I missing more of the conversation or are we just speciifcally asking what devour gives rogue in terms of damage

[lilac stag]

also doesn’t die

[final agate]

Yeah, pretty much what they bring to the table.

And Scath answered. XD

brand and cracked damage.

[shell vector]

Yeah just in terms of what does it do FOR rogue it's just chaos brand

[final agate]

Which as I understand it, they were "buffed" because of bugs, I wonder if they will get tunned down (probably not) now that said bugs are fixed.

If they are actually fixed.

[shell vector]

Did they fix shadowblade costing energy with cloud cover? I assume not since I don't see it written anywhere

[final agate]

You mean the 30 energy bug?

If so, then no I don't believe they've fixed that.

[plucky pier]

You'll have to wait for them to bugfix the actual classes before they get to us

[final agate]

Rogues are low prio.

[plucky pier]

Or they'll just pretend it's intended

[final agate]

[plucky pier]

"fixed a tooltip issue where Cloud Cover doesn't state it costs 30 energy"

[final agate]

Don't they have sleeper agents here? Don't give 'em ideas.

"Working as intended."

[plucky pier]

No they definitely don't read Rogue discord

[final agate]

You know what, you right. Probably don't even know it exists.

[vast dust]

What boss mods are you using and what are you using to out the color feather you are hit with on your screen large like that. I like that since it’s tough to see in melee sometimes without pulling away

[warm marlin]

Uhh big wigs nsrt ability timeline

The feather color is a weakaura linked in nsrt

[shrewd lantern]

ok i got 280k

velf and gaze proc

[vast dust]

I should give big wigs a try. I’m using DBM’s.

Just getting back to raiding after being away since 2008 so trying to figure out what I like, etc

[copper siren]

don't expect big wigs or DBM to offer nearly as much help as they used to. Blizz crippled how much addons can do in combat.

[timid rose]

gaze and guidon this week, everything's coming up milhouse

now i need a new excuse for my poor dps 🙁

[vast dust]

Totally.
Big Wigs looks a bit cleaner (which is appealing) than DBM

More of what I’m looking for

[hearty mural]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cobalt surge]

how stupid am I starting WoW with almost 40 on a sub rogue?
i tried 3 times to make keybinds, but im totally lost omg...

would you prefer:
wowhead, icy veins, archon for keybinds and such?

is it wort, to "buy" a skill capped subscription?

[lucid jackal]

just wowhead and this discord should be able to help you plenty

[cobalt surge]

current state: xD

[lucid jackal]

gz @drifting fable

[drifting fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/feels-the-aura--k01KPYW8DQ36PRC1HEQ04YHVP4M

Thank you

[lucid jackal]

They do NOT fw us LOLOLOL

[frosty axle]

so, we need to backstab 4 times, then pool to 60 energy just to start the opener? is that right

[drifting fable]

No LMFAO

[lucid jackal]

HAHAHA

[frosty axle]

i thought blades needs 30

[copper siren]

for myself most of my abilities are on 1 thru = then I have the next row be the same keys holding shift and thats about all I use. Now I use the razer naga mmo mouse so I primarily use the 1-12 buttons on the side of the mouse so the only keys I touch in my keyboard are shift and movement lol.

[cobalt surge]

thanks for the input, ill AI it a bit.

[plush olive]

some good binds for non-mouse, Q, E, R, T, F, Z, X, V, `, Shift of all those ,also shift+space, shift+middle mouse

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin

my favorite type of gameplay

[rustic raven]

DISGUSTING BEHAVIOR FROM US GUILD HUMBLE

[lucid jackal]

LOLOL

[copper siren]

yeah ultimately key binds are whatever feels good for you. some people use a lot of key binds I don't. Its more personal preference then anything.

[valid jewel]

Hey, what crit are you guys usually aiming for?
Mine goes over 1100 with a flask
does that seem like overkill?

[shrewd lantern]

whatever simc says

[cobalt surge]

ye, I'm just like:

• "main goal: play with nephew - do 2k on 2s / 3s"
• "okay, i boosted a rogue to 80 - i dont know sh** about anything like today's classes and stuff"
  -> "struggling to get into flight-mode"
• "do the keybinds"
  -> "do them right when you level, get the musclememory instantly right"
  -> "google, AI, ask in chat"
  -> "f*** im lost forever"

xD

1 = Backstab / Shadowstrike
2 = Eviscerate
3 = Shuriken Storm
4 = Black Powder
5 = Secret Technique

Q = Kick
E = Cheap Shot
R = Kidney Shot
T = Shadow Blades
F = Shadow Dance
G = Blind
V = Vanish
X = Shadowstep
Y = Sprint
^ = Stealth

Shift-Q = Focus Kick
Shift-E = Focus Cheap Shot
Shift-R = Focus Kidney Shot
Shift-T = Focus Blind
Shift-F = Shadow Dance + Secret Technique Macro / optional later
Shift-G = Gouge
Shift-V = Feint
Shift-X = Crimson Vial
Shift-Y = Dismantle
Shift-^ = Focus Sap

Normal Sap = separate key if needed
Distract = later
Tricks of the Trade = later
Shiv = if talented
Poisons = keep on bar, not rotation binds
Mount = comfort key

BAM.

[timid rose]

I am very much a do the keybinds as I level

Also check out the macros. You can tie some abilities together to make them easier

[cobalt surge]

but I guess its better to do the rotation on 1-5 like: "press 1, then 2, then 3, x, x... "

eyesRub

[tidal solstice]

all my spammable stuff with no CDs is on my mouse and hidden from my screen.

[steel wyvern]

GET DOWN

[cobalt surge]

how many keys do you use?

[timid rose]

I have builders on 2-3, spenders on 1 4, so at is 2 1 2 1... Aoe is 3 4 3 4

[copper siren]

what I suggest is read the wowhead rotation guide. see what abilities you need to use. Then place those abilities on keys you can hit easily. For example my backstab is 1 and eviscerate is 2. When in stealth the bar changes for specifically in stealth (which you enter with shadow dance) and I replace backstab on 1 with shadow strike. For msyelf I like my AOE abilities like suriken storm on key 1 with holding shift and the finished black poweder as 2 with shift. so I am always hitting 1 and 2 but single target is normal and aoe is holding shift. Then my secret technique is 3 and shadow dance is 3 with shift so I can tap with shift to enter shadow dance and hit 3 again without shift for secret technique (which I should have full combo points for when I hit shadow dance)

[tidal solstice]

i use the proteus g502

[cobalt surge]

before a few seasons i made 2k with a DH + gse and lazy macros; does that stuff still work? 😄

[tidal solstice]

so two thumb buttons are SS + evisc/cdg
up/down is sstorm+bp

middle mouse is trinket

[plush olive]

I'm a psychopath so 1 is backstab, 2 is black powder, 3 is sectec, 4 is evis, and 5 is shuriken

[tidal solstice]

im never pressing 1-6 unless its CDs

[cobalt surge]

6 is actually too far away @tidal solstice - imho!

[tidal solstice]

S for dance, F for sectech, v for vanish, b for blind

[cobalt surge]

S for backpaddle, 2k requirement.

[shrewd lantern]

2k what

[cobalt surge]

2s + 3s

[valid jewel]

[shrewd lantern]

oh i got 2k not tracking drs

[tidal solstice]

thats why 6 is my combat pot

[molten citrus]

skillcapped is not worth it if you're just starting out imo

you will just be confused about a lot of the stuff

what content are you planning to do

[shrewd lantern]

keybinds are insanely personal

[cobalt surge]

im already lost with keybinds bro

[shrewd lantern]

Idk rogue has a slightly larger learning curve than dh

to pvp st decent ratings

[cobalt surge]

test MAYBE ILL GET BANNED, TY 4 EVERYTHING xD

[tidal solstice]

highly recommend putting stuff you spam on your mouse and let your keys be CDs you dont spam as much. your left wrist and hand will thank you

[cobalt surge]

wow, I can upload music here!

[shrewd lantern]

i think 2s is pretty dead nowadays

[cobalt surge]

(dont know stuff about discord)

[shrewd lantern]

with the advent of solo shuff

[copper siren]

but yeah everyone is different. lots of people use non-numbered keys like Q E R X etc. Since I have the razer naga I still just use the 1-9, 0, -, = keys. I don't use any of my letter keys for abilities. I use my thumb on my mouse for everything. So ya just look at the abilities and how they flow together and you will figure it out. Its very likely you will change the keys as you play and find whats most comfortable for you.

[cobalt surge]

i was thinking of buying a Naga.. but i'd use only 2-3 keys for it

1 + 3 + 5 was my old setup with it

[tidal solstice]

whatever you do, try not to put spammable keys on the same hand that is your movement

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i feel like wow you need at most

[cobalt surge]

u mean WASD?

[shrewd lantern]

a 2 side button mouse

[copper siren]

oh I use all 12 keys, love the damn thing. like I said I only ever touch my keyboard for movement and holding shift.

[shrewd lantern]

not alot of keybinds

[tidal solstice]

yes, you wilkl get mad strain using WASD for movement and then trying to spam 1-4. dont do that

[plush olive]

two side buttons, one for pinging one for autorun. gotta spam ping these mofos

[copper siren]

all my damage abilities, defensives, trinket, potions, etc all on my mouse

[cobalt surge]

mmmmhmm... so you're saying that "9" is "comfy" ?

[shrewd lantern]

i actually have step and sprint

on my side buttons

[cobalt surge]

yo, what other movements are there? O_o

[valid jewel]

i have feint on 2

[tidal solstice]

anything i press more than once in 10 seconds is on mouse mouse for my thumb

[cobalt surge]

LOL i cant talk to everyone: THANKS beforehand and sorry not replying

nice community!

/bow

[shrewd lantern]

also ngl

if you got it on bfa dh

wont be reflective

[copper siren]

My hand is a little back on the mouse so 8 and 9 is no problem to tap with the tip of my thumb. 10-11-12 though I usually hit using joint in my thumb

[low geyser]

than i use totaly wrong all of that i use q basckstab but have macro i nobar than its shadowstrike on E-eleva, Black powder. 1-storm on mouse, F-shadowblades i have 4 buttons for ST,SD and deffs use on C and X

[cobalt surge]

sprichst du mit mir bruder? ngl? bfa=addon? dh=demonhunter, what is reflective? what?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean 2k on rogue is usually harder

[tidal solstice]

put shadow strike and evisc on thumb buttons, shuriken storm on mouse wheel up, blac powder on down. the rest can be whatever. you will performe better.

[shrewd lantern]

dh you can just run people down

[molten citrus]

why not

[shrewd lantern]

[steel wyvern]

what is going on in this chat

[molten citrus]

i have all my rotational abilities surrounding WASD

[steel wyvern]

holy

[tidal solstice]

oh shit this isnt /2 what the hell

[cobalt surge]

i spammed only wheel-down xD, worked nice

[molten citrus]

i don't think it matters

[shrewd lantern]

Idk i got 2h of afk time vs a dumb bird

[cobalt surge]

haahahah

[steel wyvern]

time?

oh yeah

beloren fire boss

[shrewd lantern]

Beloren

saving 7 sc

[steel wyvern]

im progging alleriath

[tidal solstice]

strain.

[molten citrus]

i don't like spamming mouse buttons at all

[shrewd lantern]

keyboard mash better

[molten citrus]

highly prefer 1,2,3,q,e,r,f,g for rotation

[cobalt surge]

have a great weekend y'all

[molten citrus]

[tidal solstice]

in my upper 40s and the thing that lead to injury was using wasd movement and then using 1-4 as spammable keys. put like 60+ APM on that hand while also using it for movement and positioning

[molten citrus]

glgl

[cobalt surge]

o7

tytyu2

creating a warlock byeee

xDDDDDDDDDDD

[tidal solstice]

save yourself from RSI and put spammable stuff on a thumb button

[north marlin]

!

[cobalt surge]

RSI?

ReadySteadyInformation?

[tidal solstice]

repetitive strain injury

its real and will end your gaming career unless you take preventitive steps

[cobalt surge]

LOL, im almost 40 and I get injured by playing oculus rift, that beat saber thingy. all good bro, thx

[steel wyvern]

LMAO

[shrewd lantern]

i have most of my builders on 1

[timid rose]

I'm the same age and it actually doesn't bother me much to have 1+4 as my primary. It's more the pattern that becomes a problem. Sub being predictable is fine but for enh it was bad no matter how I set things up

[steel wyvern]

same

[cobalt surge]

but yo, i do 117 wpm without mistakes. come at me!!!!

[steel wyvern]

ring finger be hittin

117 wpm is sick

gz

[cobalt surge]

ty

[shrewd lantern]

i’ve also played 100apm outlaw

when it was a thing

and dont feel anything

[cobalt surge]

ACTUALLY, 117wpm was before 10 years

xD

imma test it RN

[tidal solstice]

outlaw at 97 apm or whatever it was in DF gave me wrist strain and when i changed my keybinds it went away

[cobalt surge]

https://10fastfingers.com/de/typing-test

[shrewd lantern]

Never felt any

outlaw with havoc and fury alts

in theory my wrist should hate me

[timid rose]

Brew when rsk was part of the rotation did for me too with like 36 binds

Sub has been super chill for my hand tho. Big reason I switched

[cobalt surge]

fuck....

[gilded ferry]

im almost crafting my 4th item to swap to outlaw

but i cant play with this spec its so frustrating