subtlety

[shrewd lantern]

the talents definitely benefit st more

especially when you factor in weaponmaster/rotten arent taken in keys

[somber sun]

A bit off context, but how good are the set boots ? Wanna use catalyst on my 6/6 m boots but no really sure about it tho...

(Already have the 4/4 set)

[fossil forge]

cloudcover on alleria is so cncr i cant see shit

i was like its fine

it was fine in m+

[gilded thistle]

set your particle density to 0

probs will get rid of it lol

[shrewd lantern]

edge your cloud cover

clearly

[gilded thistle]

(and everything else)

[shrewd lantern]

[fossil forge]

i will not see anything then

[gilded thistle]

:3

[stuck arrow]

Also on p3 boss will never stay still long enough lol

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[shrewd lantern]

i had a very comfy alleria pov

(taking a nap)

[keen dome]

that's called winning

[gilded thistle]

well you get at least 10s either way

[shrewd lantern]

i do wonder why surprising strikes doesnt apply to all generators for sub

like it does for outlaw

[stuck arrow]

Yeah, but at 10s - maybe worth using old talent build.

Not sure.

[shrewd lantern]

vault keys are so boring i've been playing sd sin builds

to not fall asleep

[cyan saddle]

so are we chasing CS now over mastery? or is mastery still primary? The pin was a bit confusing to me

[formal helm]

ye, I died to shit bc of it

[gilded thistle]

I mean 10s is bare minimum if it moves out instantly

[fleet acorn]

here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/upJmCXQLUZ933tUfGZniWa

[pallid jackal]

Do you guys follow the icy veins bis or the wowhead one?

[formal helm]

couldn't see shit

[quaint breach]

yall complaining about visablity while im here on lowest settings with no issues

[gilded thistle]

realistically you're gonna get at least 14

unless u popped it really poorly

[shrewd lantern]

i just feint

and yell at the healer

(one heal)

[formal helm]

lmao

[cyan saddle]

what could go wrong

[shrewd lantern]

not much

unless you're pugging

[formal helm]

just give me back proper cleave

this is canker

[shrewd lantern]

yeah lowkey i might send pirate on farm

[cyan saddle]

go play sin

😄

[sly shore]

@vale pine how I get sim to not try and put me at 620 haste instead of 700

[shrewd lantern]

sin's cleave aint much better

[stuck arrow]

Neither.

I follow whatever raid bots tells me like a good player.

[formal helm]

[shrewd lantern]

look at paladins

[gilded thistle]

yeah ngl sin kinda based on paladins

[weak bear]

Guys, I'm returning from legion. Is rogue 'easy' to pick up and hard to master or ?

[shrewd lantern]

kind of based if you turn off details

yes

[gilded thistle]

everything is easy

[weak bear]

I've been on classic since legion so hitting one button

[thorn stream]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think a single rogue spec now is harder

than its legion iterations

[stuck arrow]

Easy to pick up. Not that hard to master.

Ol probably has the most depth

[gilded thistle]

it's harder than classic but way easier than tww

[shrewd lantern]

sub is alot less fun though

dfa peaked the spec

[weak bear]

I'm looking for an easier to pick up class but I LOVE rogue

[somber sun]

I'd rather get something difficult and that actually performs ngl

[shrewd lantern]

so devourer

[stuck arrow]

Preaching to the choir tbh.

[stuck arrow]

Idk DDH isn't that hard either.

[sonic quail]

*at all

[shrewd lantern]

devourer is kind of nutworthy when you get off a good eradicate.

[gilded thistle]

ddh is insanely easy lol

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah but no spec is hard

in midnight

[somber sun]

yeah idk, with the bug, the energy starvation and finally the same monotone shadow dance rotations ...

[shrewd lantern]

you dont even starve

?

you have infinite energy in dances

[gilded thistle]

outside dance you'll starve for a few seconds

[somber sun]

well, when no dance

[gilded thistle]

as if that matters

[shrewd lantern]

yeah your meaningful

2k damage backstabs

[gilded thistle]

yeah lol

[stuck arrow]

There is some ability to grief yourself, or get griefed, tbh.

But like. It's mechanically easy. Just nature of ramp window.

[somber sun]

better to just afk then

[shrewd lantern]

you basically do that

between dances

[west bough]

!guidon

[gilded thistle]

its nice when you gotta do mechanics

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes i feint extra

because i dont feel like sending a bs

while capped

i got 2s off my sectech and 100 energy

[stuck arrow]

For like 3 GCDs before dance, yes.

Should be doing that anyway to stack ShT stacks for dance.

[weak bear]

I know this is a rogue discord but stuck between sub and ele shaman. What would you recommend in terms of 'easy to pick up'

[shrewd lantern]

might as well feint instead of bricking my next one

neither are hard

enhance is probably harder than ele

only because you die when a boss farts

[gilded thistle]

I like supercharging the sectec by just spamming shadowstrike while capped until it comes up, that way you get an AA proc with it

works nicely with the new build too

cuz crit damage on shadowstrike is sexy

[shrewd lantern]

Like, alot of people underestimate you can get away with a ton of degenerate shit on rogue

[eternal willow]

where can i see rogue talents for every raid boss?

[shrewd lantern]

due to feint and step

🤣

[summer peak]

is thbere any update to the cost of SB with CC

[shrewd lantern]

"the fuck is a defensive rotation ill just feint if my hp moves"

[stuck arrow]

High feint uptime also makes your healers happy and you look good when / if you struggling through a healing check and they start looking at that shit.

Is cheats tbh.

[lilac stag]

Rogue usually makes new players to it explode mentally.

It’s easier in MW, but still a lot of crossed gameplay

[gilded thistle]

I miss legion feint with no cd, my first legenday was the pants that made it heal for 30% of your health

I was invincible in wpvp

god that was so fun

[shrewd lantern]

it cost a gcd

L

[gilded thistle]

I dont think it did at the start

[shrewd lantern]

it did

it just got removed in tww

[fossil forge]

wallahi i will cry the day they remove feint energy cost

[gilded thistle]

well, a gcd to be invincible in pvp was worth it lmao

[shrewd lantern]

also cost some like 35 energy

or some bullshi

[stuck arrow]

You can also push it even further if you get a parse happy healer and you explain to him what ephemeral bond is this patch lol

[shrewd lantern]

ngl the most fun legion wpvp

was using rotten to dfa kill people on their flying mounts

you step teleported to them then hit dfa to fly up

[gilded thistle]

lol

[shrewd lantern]

+0 falling damage

gg

or you could use the fok cloak and afk by the argus teleporters on reset day

and kill like 10 people porting for wqs

[gilded thistle]

LOL I remember doing that

that shit was so funny

I used to do some evil wpvp shit man

[shrewd lantern]

i used to hang out at that ram wq in stormheim before they added flying

you could sap someone while in stealth mounted on one

and use the special to knock people off cliffs

[gilded thistle]

I posted this a while ago somewhere else, just gonna quote it here ```As a horde rogue with engineering way back (sometime between 2009-2012 probably) I used to put down explosive rabbits in the night elf starting zone, right in front of where new characters would spawn, then stealth off in a corner and wait. This would do 2 things to anyone who got curious and attacked one:

1. explode for like 500 damage and instantly kill them.

2. flag them for pvp, at which point I would kill them repeatedly until they logged out

I was actually pure evil and I probably caused some people to quit and never come back.```

[shrewd lantern]

you know what impresse me nowadays

how many people will click on a mage portal

for no reason

[vale pine]

change away from haste weapon buffs is a good start

[gilded thistle]

my gf hit the raid with a crater portal the other day

good fucking times

[shrewd lantern]

i did that once in mop

except i put it in the warlock closet

in an ordos group

[gilded thistle]

LOL

[sly shore]

I ain't got no haste weapon buffs

[shrewd lantern]

btw

is tbc sharpening stone in mh

still better

[gilded thistle]

excuse me

[sly shore]

or you mean hunt

[grim wasp]

someone outdps me just casting shadowstrike

[shrewd lantern]

the tbc weapon stone

[gilded thistle]

yeah

fuckin

[shrewd lantern]

adds weapon damage

[gilded thistle]

excuse me

thats so cursed

[vale pine]

weapon oil

you can switch it away from phoenix, which gives haste

[shrewd lantern]

stat squish spaghetti

[gilded thistle]

yeah I figured

[shrewd lantern]

kind of like the df augment rune gives 6 mainstat

while the mfo one gives 2

[gilded thistle]

reminds me of back in wrath how mongoose beat berserking on some specs

[shrewd lantern]

6 mainstat on a perma augment rune isnt bad

tbh

[warm marlin]

wym blud

it gives 6

[gilded thistle]

I never got it lol

[shrewd lantern]

nah mfo one only gives 2

if you read the tooltip on the buff

not the item

xd

[shrewd lantern]

....did they break it again

it was 2 before the patch

LOL

[fossil forge]

nah but im r1 sniper on alleria

quickscoping these bozos from 300km

[sly shore]

wonder if they gonna fix the 30 energy

[gilded thistle]

yeah the df one says it gives 5 now

[shrewd lantern]

unlikely

good thing i have both runes

[gilded thistle]

I have neither

[fleet acorn]

isnt there a new one comming?

[gilded thistle]

i was too lazy

[shrewd lantern]

usually in the last tier

[cosmic crescent]

Anyone successfully done a recraft since tuesday? mine ate my bracers lol so i'm tentative to do my other pieces but i havent seen or heard any updates from blizzard but see loads of people poting for them in trade, so maybe fixed?

[hazy breach]

Generally the infinite augment runes dont come until the last tier of the expansion

[hazy breach]

My belt worked fine earlier today

[cosmic crescent]

ah okay cool. maybe i'll risk it for the buscuit lol

[hollow quest]

I did one today on my mh

[cosmic crescent]

sweeet. thanks fellas

[wary remnant]

I'm planning to spend my bonus loot rolls on NPX. It has both a dagger and a 1H mace for outlaw in the loot pool. If I start in subtlety loot spec for maximum chance of the myth dagger and then swap to outlaw loot spec once I get it. Will the no duplicate loot effect of the bonus rolls reset after switching my loot spec?

[fossil forge]

hax?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah idk if they unfucked the mfo scaling one

it was only 2 on mythic week 1

[plush roost]

Yeah it was 2 as of last week

Tooltip said 6 tho

Poggies

[azure kindle]

i just noticed that my shadow dance + shadow blades + pot + trinket macro costs 30 energy if i am specced into cloud cover. whats up with that. am i missing something or is this a bug

[alpine wraith]

yea it is a bug

[raw wadi]

did they changed something around secret technique?

[lone spear]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[raw wadi]

my rotation around ancient arts feels so weird since 12.0.5

[fleet acorn]

JUST bonus roll IT

[shy scarab]

Yea cus we dont use premeditation anymore

[fleet acorn]

i used it

on dog

its good

[frigid prawn]

Im somehow dealing less damage than before🥱

[lone spear]

why

[fiery summit]

Premed ss can’t trigger aa

Is bug

[fleet acorn]

its good on dog cause of opener

if im grp1

[azure kindle]

oh maaaan. i just tested it. cloud cover does not trigger if you have <30 energy when you press shadow blades either....

[fiery summit]

I’m using it everywhere still cause it feels ass without it. Only 0.5% loss anyway according to the pin

Prob even less the less crit you have cause less chance for that monster ss clone

[dull fractal]

explain me like im 5 why is crit better this patch?

[pure cloud]

Don’t think it’s a bug

[raw wadi]

I know the thing about premed... but inside blade windows its feels like i get less shadowcraft stacks back. idk
sometimes i have like no ancient arts

[lone spear]

anyone got the actual ST talent build for sub trickster ?

[stuck arrow]

It's in pins

[shrewd lantern]

literally pinned

or like

[lone spear]

mb

ty

[shrewd lantern]

look at an st boss

on wcl

[fiery summit]

Which? Cloud using energy?

It’s literally casting distract to use the talent, which they forgot to remove the cost of; 100% bug

[shrewd lantern]

we call that a feature

[pure cloud]

I don’t think it’s a bug that premed functions the way it does with AA

[shrewd lantern]

it'll get fixed in last titan

maybe

[raw wadi]

you might be right 😄

[fiery summit]

Pooling now a feature of sub LOL

[stuck arrow]

It's 100% right.

Stand behind a target dummy and use it lol

[pulsar flame]

have someone problem with proc ancient arts?

[hazy breach]

Well yeah if you copied the new build it has perfect execution instead of warning signs

[shy scarab]

Need to pool for cloud and sec tech

[azure kindle]

so in case anyone uses the search function: shadow blades triggers a cost of 30 energy for cloud cover. if you don't have the energy, no cloud cover. if you have less than 60 you can't immediately use secret technique because of a lack of energy

[hazy breach]

It was before too, just not energy. You want to pool some sht stacks for dances

[fiery summit]

Fairly sure it’s well documented even from beta that it’s not supposed to be this way and is a bug

[stuck arrow]

Always was?

You should have been doing before.

[pulsar flame]

i have 5 stacks, does finishinf move and proc is nowhere

[graceful perch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fiery summit]

Oop I definitely have not been doing that

[raw wadi]

oh... you are my goat! that seems that was what felt weird for me

so it was Warning Signs = More Burst at Dance?

[shrewd lantern]

less

[hazy breach]

PE is more Burst during blades, but yes

[shrewd lantern]

isnt pe more burst

[hazy breach]

Pins have an indepth explanation

[raw wadi]

So beloren/endboss should be signs?

i know but i missed taht

[wanton pond]

am i trolling using a mythic puzzle box over a normal guidon just want to know before i do or dont do it lol

[hazy breach]

No

[still gazelle]

How does premed cause DPS loss?

[sacred jewel]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[hazy breach]

Idk guess i should just remove that command

As people as misusing it

[still gazelle]

lol

[sacred jewel]

[hazy breach]

Because that shit does not matter much at all for numbers

[median canyon]

So the Smoke Bomb thing is actually so bad for M+.. it's crazy

[hazy breach]

Its just a feels thing

[raw wadi]

please no 😄

[still gazelle]

I'm in a raid with a rogue going Mondays ST build and he has way more nimble flurry damage

and I have way more SStrike damage

Is that normal

[wintry heart]

I’ve done a few keys and it’s been fine

[hazy breach]

?

[sacred jewel]

What kinda helped me was to drop the "smoke bomb" and move out/in to refresh the duration, but yeah it can be super bad i've died to it once

[long sail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NY1aMPDLy7KgjwRA?fight=15&type=damage-done someone pls tell me why i am so shit lowkey. As long as its constructive idc i just wanna get better i have no idea why im down dps

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3SK24JQAYzU2hNhFiZX9Wr

[jade oasis]

depends on the group ig

[wintry heart]

You never dance without sec tech

[long sail]

ah shit is that why

[sacred jewel]

also u are using draught, u are brave lol

[wintry heart]

Macro dance and sec tech together

[left ledge]

right off the bat ill give you some pointers, not gonna do a deep dive as you have some glaring issues to fix:

1. Macro your sectec into your blades/dance, and into dance itself
2. Always dance full CP with some sht stacks
3. You use guidon BEFORE your cooldowns by 1 sec, useful to guidon + stab then go into cds
4. stop pressing dance while you're still on gcd, sub right now really wants to insta send a GCD as soon as dance starts

[long sail]

isnt that my second dance tho when sec isnt up?

[left ledge]

no what he linked was your third

[long sail]

yeah then thats very bad yeah

[wintry heart]

Everything is all easy fixable. Just read the wowhead guide, and slam a dummy for a few 5 minute windows and you’ll get the hang of it

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[long sail]

oh shit i get it

nice okay

[coarse raven]

Hi, sorry if its a dumb question, but yesterday i sim myself and i got 104k
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qixnMjYhQgtbX4pRjVppwj

Today i change some stat in my stuf to switch more easily in spec but if i sim myself i can't go back to 104k even with recrafting back to haste mastery. someone know why ? or am i just dumb

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/icwstWRgGoq62stBpX7qqh

[trail bison]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hazy breach]

Different talents

[long sail]

you guys are actually gamer

[coarse raven]

premeditation take 4k ? i didn't thought that much

[hazy breach]

No

[shrewd lantern]

you took off weaponmaster too

[coarse raven]

oh shit forgot i was on drake

thanks

[vast tartan]

without premed i feel like i dont get any ancient art procs

[sacred jewel]

@long sail also, use ur vanish you didn't use it once

[vast tartan]

how much of a lose if u take premed

[long sail]

yeah i realised i should vanish shadowstrike before a SD

[proud burrow]

sim yo self, but about 0.5% for me

[vast tartan]

ok ty

[stuck arrow]

Eh. I mean.

Not really a big deal. I think he's got other things to worry about before that.

You can rip like a 99 parse without vanishing.

[sacred jewel]

@long sail but like the others have mentioned, ur biggest dps loss is your SD (without ST) after your double dance/SB window

along with not using a macro

[sacred jewel]

i mean yeah, but vanish its good to keep that in mind even though the gain is negligible compared to the sd/st fundamental

[long sail]

how long can the macro be before it starts chugging XD

[sacred jewel]

also, make sure u have 60 energy when pressing SB/ST/SD, u might have not making use of the cloud cover talent

[grim wasp]

Maybe i need to use macro too

[shrewd lantern]

on fights like vorasius dont vanish for dps

use it to give someone else the fixate

[wintry heart]

Just macro dance and sec tech together

[shrewd lantern]

[restive chasm]

Afternoon gamers, why would a sample ability log say to shadow dance, shuriken storm, evis then sectec?

[wintry heart]

And don’t hit inside gcd

[long sail]

not SB?

[nocturne totem]

Is it bad to press Lights POTential before dance and blades? (Like guidon + pot) ?

[pine viper]

2 different ones help

[sacred jewel]

im using a SD/ST and another SD/ST/SB macro

[wintry heart]

I don’t play it that way

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[long sail]

okay interesting

im gonna try having two seperate one

and its alright to add potions into it?

[quaint breach]

for m+, we still pref mastery or is crit better full stop?

[sacred jewel]

u can use the SD/ST macro to ST during your 2nd SD/SB window

while SD is active

[wintry heart]

Crit flask sims higher for me in m+

[wintry heart]

Yes

[sacred jewel]

honestly, i'm using the SD/SB/ST button 90% of times, and the SD/ST when I don't wanna use SB yet

• potion

[long sail]

ah right just seen you gotta just double click it to use the secret technique

or what i just tried anyway

[sacred jewel]

press it once yeah

SD is not on GCD

[wintry heart]

If you have to press it twice you were in a gcd

[fiery kiln]

Just wanted to check after rereading the guide but I don’t want to use secret techniques with ancient arts right? That’s reserved for evis/bp in shadow dance?

[long sail]

ahhhh okay okay

makes more sense

[wintry heart]

So wait until you’re out of your gcd and then send

[long sail]

oh wow yeah thats 10x smoother

its like butter

[sacred jewel]

@long sail Strike/Guidon > 1 GCD later + make sure u are above 60 energy (bug) > [SD/ST/SB macro (+potion) > strike/evi spam > with 8s SB remaining press 2nd SD > ... > ST] wait until SD+ST is up again and repeat

[long sail]

yeah i legit just did that and the macros do just make thee difference

thanks for all the help

hopefully next raid i blast

benched for dragons XD

[signal gulch]

the oppener is just cursed by bugs, it's so disastrous its funny.

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation was up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3.

[shrewd lantern]

getting 220k strike crits

is so much fun

[somber sun]

how much crit do you have ?

[wintry heart]

All of it

[shrewd lantern]

no idea

whatever the robot said

[somber sun]

like a specific value

or you just keep feeding crit

[signal gulch]

enough

[shrewd lantern]

topgear sim

[wintry heart]

I literally only know my haste stat and that’s 723

[shrewd lantern]

gearing is so easy

and people want to overcomplicate it

[fossil forge]

867crit
717haste
886mast

simple math

💥

[wintry heart]

My stat spread will be so much better after I replace my haste vers necklace

[shrewd lantern]

LMAO

i was using renown neck

until last week

[wintry heart]

It’s literally the only one I’ve looted

[fossil forge]

saladbar neck is goated

[shrewd lantern]

i got one this week

[somber sun]

bro I wish

[shrewd lantern]

[somber sun]

only thing stopping me is cloak

[shrewd lantern]

?

[somber sun]

game doesn't wanna drop hero one

[shrewd lantern]

skill issue

[somber sun]

sorry discord didnt reply

[fossil forge]

i have to use haste flask however

[shrewd lantern]

i got like 6 fluxweaves

[fossil forge]

so unlucky there

[shrewd lantern]

from spamming xenas

[fossil forge]

no alleria neck

[shrewd lantern]

yeah no shot im getting that one on mythic

[fossil forge]

surely we kill aleria this week and i get it in vault

[somber sun]

bro no cap, 30 skyreach runs and still no cloak

[shrewd lantern]

idk the cloak is such a minor piece

im wearing xenas because its what dropped

and it has speed

so i go zoom zoom

[wintry heart]

I have 578 crit
793 haste
709 mastery

[fossil forge]

[shrewd lantern]

LMAO

[fossil forge]

first raid on alleria though

[shrewd lantern]

i think we are attempting the bird

over reclear

so yk

[fossil forge]

recraft dagger to crim mastery for -40 haste(if you have guidon)

[somber sun]

lura after

fun boss ngl

[shrewd lantern]

i get to listen to pseudo racial comms

for a few hours

its a great time

"hit the dark one"

[wintry heart]

I didn’t think I had that much haste. I’m gonna have to check

[dense geode]

bird over reclear wild

[shrewd lantern]

both really

we dont have someone kind of relevant for alleria though

so idk

[dense geode]

oh reclear of JUST alleria?

[shrewd lantern]

no recleared the piss bosses

i.e everything to paladins

[dense geode]

ah i see

[warm marlin]

that what we did

[dense geode]

yea alleria and bird got much more difficult

[somber sun]

btw is that with or without flask

[shrewd lantern]

and hit the minibosses

[fossil forge]

With hasteflask And oils

[wintry heart]

Yeah I’m gonna do this later. I forgot I crafted a crit haste ring

[shrewd lantern]

on offchance of boes

but yeah

[wintry heart]

Are recrafts still eating items because I will punch an infant if my dagger goes missing

[shrewd lantern]

my recraft worked fine

[dusky yacht]

For some people, yes

[grave wyvern]

let's gooo finally since the raid release first time i see it and i got it

[wintry heart]

Is this French

[dense geode]

yea

[dusky yacht]

Oui oui

[grave wyvern]

y

[shrewd lantern]

i like how guidon is the only word thats the same

[wintry heart]

Why are there so many words

[dusky yacht]

Because it's French

[wintry heart]

Not trying to hate but there’s so many words lol

[grave wyvern]

bc french suck

[dusky yacht]

Their language doesn't simplify, it complicates.

[shrewd lantern]

also why does coup get renamed

in the non english client

[dense geode]

its not actually that many words de la de la just makes it look long af lol

[wintry heart]

Aren’t those words though

[dense geode]

[shrewd lantern]

it makes it sound long to distract you from paying out the nose for snail in mystery sauce

everyone knows this

[vivid spindle]

quick question, i have everything hero/myth, but my cloak is champion. Do i craft a cloak, even tho i already have 2 crafted items?

[karmic harbor]

i played so bad when we got there last week

[stuck arrow]

I thought it was just garlic-y butter lol

[karmic harbor]

actually abysmally bad

[shrewd lantern]

idk their food is alright but overhyped

its not bad like their neighbor's

[wintry heart]

Yeah at this point just craft in your lowest slot

[vivid spindle]

do i craft on hero slots too?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean no

[grave wyvern]

french food is rly good xD but there is a lot of wierd shit too

[shrewd lantern]

i feel its troll with rerolls giving you 2 myth slots a week

personally

[wintry heart]

Also fair

[fossil forge]

it will be better on sunday :D (im lowk just happy to get off the bench)

[north schooner]

it's really funny that coup de grace is renamed in french

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah considering the word is literally

[grave wyvern]

no idea why they did this xD

[fossil forge]

https://youtu.be/z5GGhdFIhAY?si=yoBWcL1orsx2aT3I

this is peak content

[shrewd lantern]

There are decent foods as much as I like to joke the breakfast diet

is coffee and cigarettes

[fossil forge]

snus and coffee?

close enough

[wintry heart]

Wish he was still pushing

[grave wyvern]

the 3 C coffee cigarettes and poop (caca in french xD)

[shrewd lantern]

well the first c leads to the last one

[grave wyvern]

yep

[real panther]

can we talk about how we become blind to ground aoes when the cloud spawn? x) allo blizzard?

[hexed wave]

ok back to sub lol

[grave wyvern]

The worst part is that other player is also blinded by it

[mossy chasm]

is there a weird delay for sectech now cause of the cloud ._.?

[shrewd lantern]

if you had no energy

[shrewd lantern]

just feint

[fossil forge]

just feint the aoe that oneshots u brah

🤓

[shrewd lantern]

nah ask the disc

for a pre painsup

obvs

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-laptop-duh-gif-8033838636860661307

[hidden wasp]

idk if its been asked 3000 times but is my smoke bomb bugged 24/7 or what

it never procs when i press blades

sometimes it does

[fossil forge]

!cloud

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[hidden wasp]

sometimes not

[shrewd lantern]

you need 30 energy

otherwise it wont

[hidden wasp]

o

[shrewd lantern]

technically 60 once you add the sectech cost

[fossil forge]

technically 85 once you account in the feint

[wanton mantle]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[shrewd lantern]

do you not play nimble fingers

[somber sun]

weirdly enough I didnt have a single guy complain in keys, especially in windrunner spire with the spiders aoe

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw must be funnier

[fossil forge]

ion even know what nimble fingers is

[shrewd lantern]

since they have like 60% uptime

on the cloud

[lost sundial]

Quick question about embellishments... Is a Hunt Dagger and a Arcanoweave secondary the only/best option or would two Arcanoweave a equal option if I was to get a really good second myth dagger?

[teal plaza]

I think rule of thumb is weapon early until you can get a good myth track one, then just craft in your lowest ilvl slots

[shrewd lantern]

ideally you only craft in 2 slots this expac

since crafted gear is bad

[wintry heart]

It’s only 4 ilvl lower

[shrewd lantern]

yeah not worth to spend 80 gilded on that

over a 289

[deft moss]

4 ilvl X 4 pieces well u can see the math plus the gilded

[tribal vortex]

you lose 20 crests

but still for someone not doing mythic raid you end up with spare crests

now with the bonus rolls maybe not the case

[fossil forge]

im mythic raiding and i still have 3 crafts

[shrewd lantern]

i was down bad for shoes

like some kid in a sweatshop levels

[fossil forge]

legs unfortunately refuse to drop

[wintry heart]

I crafted a ring to easily hit my haste breakpoint so I can change stuff around

[shrewd lantern]

shoulda got a better mog smh

[wintry heart]

You’re wearing too many clothes

[lost sundial]

I had bad luck getting bracers so I crafted a third

[dusky yacht]

Man we were doing prog on dragons tonight and I gotta say it feels so awkward with our cooldowns. I'm also in first soak group so I can't even send it after opener basically, I have to wait until I'm back from soaking.

[fossil forge]

wym

[wintry heart]

Let them orc thighs breathe

[fossil forge]

pause lil bro

💀

[deft moss]

back from soaking? u dont just stand near tank and soak insta?

while still dpsing

[shrewd lantern]

use modern teebu with modern t2

[wintry heart]

Slut mogs are an instant 5% dps gain

[dusky yacht]

I am second melee to soak

[fossil forge]

bro female maghar orc is the ugliest shit ive ever seen

[deft moss]

2 can soak same time long as ur not on top each other

[dusky yacht]

It's also prog we are prolly not doing it perfectly yet

[fossil forge]

wym slut mog

[deft moss]

yea

[shrewd lantern]

go with the heritage set

and wolfhead

[thin sinew]

Guys it does exist,
it's not a myth

[shrewd lantern]

of course it exists i've had it for 2 weeks

[thin sinew]

My guild was doing some weird prio bs with trinkets so my only way of getting it was vault RNG or the bonus roll

[wintry heart]

Just start your own guild

[narrow comet]

Where do you get th se rerolls are they just random.drops?

I need to get one before I do the raid

[dusky yacht]

Great tip, me and Fury warrior who is the one before me just came up with a strat we gonna try for it, we're gonna stand on a side of his face each and take it at same time, then I can basically pop my cooldowns way faster

[wintry heart]

Void forge

[shrewd lantern]

well you wouldnt give one to a rogue first

better classes to give it to

[deft moss]

yea thats what i do

[quaint breach]

crown hc green parse yet rank 88 🤔

[thin sinew]

If you saw some of the players you'd understand why it's rough xD

[lilac stag]

Move guilds then

[thin sinew]

Need to get 6/6 on the voidforge with decimus in the voidstorm hub. then buy them for voidlight marl/gold/veteran crests

[vale osprey]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bHBvRYmnALP76T9h?fight=51&type=damage-done&phase=2&modal=fight-selection

We're just progging so only our first intermission attempt - but we are indeed scrambling some eggs as this spec

[wintry heart]

How’s that guy doing that called weapon oils weapon lube

[gilded thistle]

yeah it's broken asf rn

rank 1 is a 78 lmao

[quaint breach]

yea just saw, hurt my sould when I first saw the green

[gilded thistle]

i was bitchin about it in here earlier

went from a 97 last night to a 33 today

and i was like aint no fuckin way

[plush roost]

New parition for .5 patch

[quaint breach]

nah thats not it, already a lot of parses

rank 1 is green even

[plush roost]

Hmmm

[gilded thistle]

it's 100% broken

[quaint breach]

unless their logic is shit an req 10k parses or sth

[plush roost]

Is it correlating pre .5 logs and mixing them up resulting in green high ranking parses?

Heroic only?

[gilded thistle]

there u go

[narrow comet]

I hate this game man why does it have to be complicated

[gilded thistle]

33 but rank 181

new partition only

it's obviously broken

[plush roost]

My mythic logs felt fine earlier i wonder if its an hc thing

[plucky pier]

Future tip: See purple quest? Do purple quest!

[quaint breach]

maybe just crown, vaelgor hc looks ok

[gilded thistle]

its just crown

[shrewd lantern]

they removed padding on slimes

[gilded thistle]

everything else is fine

[shrewd lantern]

on hc

[gilded thistle]

and they obviously broke something when they did

[plush roost]

Oh

Yeah eyah

[shrewd lantern]

says on the log

[gilded thistle]

because that doesn't explain how the ranks can be that fucked

[plush roost]

Slimes are excluded from the rank

[shrewd lantern]

damage to the slimes is removed

[steep loom]

!logs

[lilac stag]

Good. Fuck boomkins

[plush roost]

So its showing your dps but not attributing the slimes which makes things look wonky

[shrewd lantern]

i mean which rogue was padding on slimes

unless they got caught in sectech

[gilded thistle]

I was full single target

and I lost 60k when it processed

went from 160k to 100k

[shrewd lantern]

probably sectech/coup cleave

[finite hedge]

They did something with the intermission downtime as well. Probably just bugged it out somehow

[shrewd lantern]

you cant bp pad like an ape anymore

though

[plush roost]

I think its a mix

Of droplets being attributed to old parses making an overall ranking "lower" and the intermission time change

[gilded thistle]

this is way too out of alignment, even if it's not a bug it feels wrong as hell to be done like this

[plush roost]

Is bugged af

[fiery fog]

chimaerus group 1 is cursed now without premed

[shrewd lantern]

probably lmao

i just finish my cd set in the last patch

when going down

[plush roost]

Could probably get away with the 3 sec opener if u have lust for group 1 surely?

[quaint breach]

chim pull and cloud feel cursed. too much movment early

[fiery fog]

before you could just send on pull and when youre soaking blades is over

[gilded thistle]

just run premed lol

[fiery fog]

without premed it takes too long

[plush roost]

Strike snd pool cds

[gilded thistle]

less than .5% dps loss

just run it

[fiery fog]

just put me in group 2

:(

[plush roost]

Idk i played outlaw on reclear hehe

[gilded thistle]

million other things are gonna change your dps before that matters

[shrewd lantern]

just dont hit the adds

[gilded thistle]

literal margin of error shit

[shrewd lantern]

[fiery fog]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[plush roost]

Worth

[fiery fog]

rank 1 from 12

[plush roost]

Day 1 allstar stop the count

[fiery fog]

:p

[plush roost]

Haha

Its fake its r3 now

[lilac stag]

What happened on paladins?

[plush roost]

🥀

[fiery fog]

cant compete with my normal logs

[lilac stag]

I was expecting you to dominate the assa lads

[plush roost]

High roll 180k dps into 2buff 4 times in a row banger

The 180k wipr at 6%

Notlikethis

[lilac stag]

we start it tonight. Gonna gunslinger

[fiery fog]

i honestly dont know how to get a good log on salhadaar

[lilac stag]

Sleight of hand over acro?

[plush roost]

Its probably bis over assa

Unless lowroll

[lilac stag]

I’ll low roll our kill 4 sure

[gilded thistle]

i was gonna get a crazy parse on paladins last night, then the stars misaligned and the whole raid stalled just before they died and had to deal with another phase thing

[plush roost]

I think acro is probs better but feelsycraft

[gilded thistle]

everyone lost like 20kdps

[shrewd lantern]

i like how 2 of my good dragons kills

i int the kill and someone breaths the raid on my good pull

[plush roost]

Its a 2 target fight for 60% of the time

[fossil forge]

[shrewd lantern]

[lilac stag]

on dummies sleight felt better

acro felt like low roll trap

[gilded thistle]

just never use cloak, in case u need it to idiot-proof the pull

hold that shit

[oblique fable]

Tank positioning

[shrewd lantern]

int pull meaning grief a blades set

xd

[quaint breach]

stagger cds a little for spinny phase

[fiery fog]

i dod that its still ass

[shrewd lantern]

thats normal gameplay

you wont parse salhadaar without cleaving orbs

[narrow comet]

Is it true that we really make sure and pool two dances prior to having Shadow blades up for raid boss single Target

[quaint breach]

took me a week or two b4 i noticed it #casualandy

[narrow comet]

I feel like I'm sitting on damage so much that it's hurting me

[fossil forge]

If you didnt log salad week1 ur forever cursed now

[lavish night]

what do you remove for that ?

[finite hedge]

Cleave small orbs, don't cleave last set if you are burning boss cause they don't count

[stuck arrow]

Don't need to pool dances. Always use dance with Sectec

With haste breakpoints it kinda lines up anyway that you just have 2 dances in blades.

[shrewd lantern]

do the chinese log special of send puzzlebox and blades into small orbs

[narrow comet]

I am not super big into PVE till this season

Makes sense

[stuck arrow]

Do need to pool shadow technique prior to dance though.

[fiery fog]

guys is blind talent bugged?

i still have 1 min cd

after taking it

[gilded thistle]

ephemeral bond

[fossil forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[narrow comet]

The blind talent does make blind up one minute

[fiery fog]

oh

[gilded ferry]

is there a way to make lorrgs show stuff from latest patch or

do we have to wait

[fiery fog]

thoguth blind is 1 min and gets to 3o

[fossil forge]

I was complaining about nopremed but this heals like crazy nocap

[narrow comet]

When they reverted it back to being AOE they slightly nerfed it

[spice island]

Something about premed not working with a certain tier of the like, keystone talent. Yes the optional damage now (might be outdated already idk) is shadowstrike > vanish + shadow strike > trinkets > Shadow blades + ST

[narrow comet]

No more 22 second cooldown AOE blind

[stuck arrow]

Link it to your favorite parse hunter healer in raid and they'll make you their top priority lol

[torn ore]

trying sub rn on TW i am ranning out of enegry super quick is it fine ? xd or i am missing something

[hazy breach]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[spice island]

Cheers

[fossil forge]

Parsing crime

[stuck arrow]

What level are you?

[torn ore]

84

[swift tinsel]

did you spec Shadowcraft

outside dance you don't have a lot of energy regen but Shadowcraft infuses your dances with a lot

[thorn sundial]

does anyone know how much magic dmg we are roughly? st

[stuck arrow]

It's win win. The degen shit you can do for dam... The extra healing they get. Ez.

[swift tinsel]

are you always running out of energy or just outside dance

[torn ore]

OUTSIDE OF DANCE

sry caps

[swift tinsel]

ye that's normal

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt matter outside

[swift tinsel]

the energy pacing is intentional

!design

rip

[fossil forge]

you might be onto something

[swift tinsel]

energy is basically feast or famine, but our damage outside dance doesn't matter so you don't really need a lot of energy outside of it

[stuck arrow]

I would switch PE for watching signs and make sure you're always meleeing for ShT stacks.

Should fix you right up till you're 90 and can hit haste breakpoints.

[somber sun]

is it fine to go a bit under the haste point ( with guidon ) if simbot tells me to ?

[swift tinsel]

warning signs only increases attack speed in dance

doesn't help with energy outside dance

same with haste breakpoints

[hazy breach]

50/50

[stuck arrow]

Don't need energy outside dance lol

[swift tinsel]

that's where they said they were running out

[stuck arrow]

Oh then my advice would be let it ride lol

Although honestly old talents might be better without Crit/haste

I'd 100% take premed for leveling though, too

[shrewd lantern]

ngl open world content

feels straight booty without prem

in raid im ok with it but

[stuck arrow]

Yeah. Lol.

Premed is mandatory for random questing bs

Raid fine. M+, fine. But if you want me to do a WQ or whatever... Hell na

[oak sorrel]

no more first dance in m+? or did that change awhile ago

[hazy breach]

You can still run it if you want to

[oak sorrel]

or is it completely group dependent

[hazy breach]

But veiltouched can get more value if youre not getting many procs of tfd

[oak sorrel]

i can see why it's useless for chain pulls

[lyric patrol]

Pugs chain pull 90% of the time only worth if u run a set grp imo

[ionic mist]

Is the 700 haste breakpoint + raid buffs - lust? Or 700 before all raid buffs?

[swift tinsel]

gear/gems/enchants/oils

no temporary buffs

[ionic mist]

Copy that thank you.

[wicked inlet]

Do you know if the first boss trinket is bugged with this macro?

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/use 14
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique

Because the first Shadow Dance doesn’t benefit from the haste bonus.

If someone know

[swift tinsel]

its bugged

[wicked inlet]

ooh

[swift tinsel]

typically use guidon->wait 1 second->use dance+sectech

[wicked inlet]

Ty

It's gna be fix ?

[gilded thistle]

unlikely

[swift tinsel]

blizz knows about it and are looking into it but its a complicated tech issue

[gilded thistle]

pretty sure thats how it works for all abilities

[swift tinsel]

unlikely to be fixed any time soon

unless they specifically change your abilities like bleed snapshotting stuff

[stuck arrow]

What you think we're DKs or DHs or something?

[swift tinsel]

instead it just checks how much haste you have at a given interval so depending on when you get that buff during that interval

could be anywhere from 0.1 to 1 second

[somber sun]

tech issue

they can surely fix it by the hour

idk we dont get fixes like other classes every week

[naive creek]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[remote rapids]

so once you spend your first bonus roll, you'll be able to buy another? i took the tokens this week but can't buy another roll, yet

[lilac stag]

You can only have 2 rolls. Spend one.

[quartz prism]

is the on use haste from spire a good AliExpress guidon if i dont raid?

[remote rapids]

i have two of the currency, but was going to use one raid, one m+ this week

[lilac stag]

Spend one in m+ and buy the next one

[lucid jackal]

Raid costs 2

[remote rapids]

and Decimus sells the voidcores right?

[lilac stag]

I’m assuming they’re asking about vault currency to buy the reroll

[remote rapids]

oh wait, no the guy buy the vault does durrrr!

my bad 🙂

just forgot the item wasn't in the vendor until you finish the questline

[lilac stag]

you get your weekly 2 in void. if you took currency from vault its at vault

[short aurora]

through all these weeks

my guild dropped 1 heroic gaze

no nhc no mythic

are we cursed or what

and to top it off

i bonus roll this badboy

[swift tinsel]

dang refunding every voidcore spent

pre-fix

[ripe flame]

📈 +2

[final agate]

Unlikely W for 'em.

They got cooked so hard for the bugs they had to do something.

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mj-jordan-gif-18325506

crest debt increases

[neon frigate]

Is puzzlebox still worth getting or useless? In sim it gives me less dps!

[short aurora]

do i get it back?

or just the dungeon homies

get that piss trinket off me

[fossil forge]

did u roll yday

[mortal galleon]

is taking premed that much of a dps loss?

feels shit without it

[final agate]

.5%

[short aurora]

yes on chimi

tho

[final agate]

Most are still running it.

[ripe flame]

There's a time specified on their post for the fix, if you got it before you get it back, if not well my condolences

[fossil forge]

whats the time

[short aurora]

ye whats the time

im gonna go back on outlaw

[short aurora]

cant read

[opal shadow]

what really

[short aurora]

ok so im in that

nice

[fossil forge]

same

i got the gaze though

we eating good

[short aurora]

"we"

i can throw shit at dungeons now atleast

[fossil forge]

i had the renown trinket till this reset

[short aurora]

i guess

im still rocking it

[bleak night]

you're just gonna roll the same bad trinket next time you roll chim

dw

[cinder swan]

still havent gotten gaze...

[short aurora]

!rember1week

im gonna haunt you

[bleak night]

[short aurora]

if its gonna be like this

[bleak night]

godspeed soldier

[timber quiver]

So question now is do i double down gamba on the same dungeon that i already got 2 items or swap to another one that will be sure no repeats

[fossil forge]

— 4/22/2026 7:43 PM

my roll time

chillax

[short aurora]

Resetdayraider

[lilac stag]

Waiting for an amendment as people lose their shit that some people are going to get 4 pcs of mythic loot vs everyone else 2

[finite hedge]

Great so saving my rolls trolled myself

[vernal drum]

excellent one HAHA

[finite hedge]

Yeah this isn't going to go over well

They need to just give everyone +2

[short aurora]

no

[fossil forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

we got more

[short aurora]

im sideeyeing every single one of my guildmates that rolled that gaze

[ripe flame]

You could get unlucky

[hazy breach]

Does it really matter that much when everybody is gonna be sitting with full myth track without crests to upgrade everything in like 2 or 3 weeks anyway

Like yeah it kinda sucks, but it also sucks for people who got duplicates if they didnt do anything or if everybody gets them

[stuck arrow]

Yeah... Doesn't feel great.

[fossil forge]

surely turbo comes soon

[bleak night]

i honestly dont think they're going to uncap crests

as far as i can tell the weapon/trinket upgrades from voidforge are the new turbo boost

[lilac stag]

I think the m+ pushers are gonna lose it

If they don’t raid

[hazy breach]

I mean even then

[lilac stag]

That’s a lot of free ilvl

[hazy breach]

You get 3 myth track per week

And if you dont have myth crests

Its not even an ilvl increase

[civic wing]

I just started playing this week, is it still true to ignore the free combo points and cast shadowstrike to proc the extra damage from your shadow image?

[lilac stag]

if only it wasn’t vibe coded

[haughty sedge]

bro im still rocking veteran guidon and weve killed mythic imperator

[finite hedge]

Yeah but if you are rolling like 7 items in nexus or wtv and also want pit items that's a lot of weeks of rolling

[haughty sedge]

though i dont think the extra haste from a higher ilvl really makes it that much better if it doesnt give you an extra global

[finite hedge]

I guess with the crest cap it's not that big of a deal true.

[lucid jackal]

do you have a link to the sim for the sharpening stone?

[bleak night]

the only way they wouldnt piss anyone off is by individually checking every person who rolled to see if they got dupes or not

and thats just not viable

[lucid jackal]

Curious if it sjust a rogue thing or other class thing as well

[hazy breach]

There aint any, shit doesnt work in simc

But yes it works for other classes too

[bleak night]

and even then, if someone rolled once in raid and didnt get a dupe, if they need to roll that boss again they can still now get one

[lucid jackal]

how do we know its better then

[bleak night]

so how would they tell who needs to roll that boss again vs who doesnt

[hazy breach]

Ig you can manually edit the wdps if you wanted

[bleak night]

there just isnt a way to do it outside of a blanket solution like this

[lilac stag]

Raid wise if you didn’t get the item you wanted, you’re a week behind

just a hot mess

[civic wing]

Why is premeditation w 0.5%loss?

Over 8% healing?

[hazy breach]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

• The first Ancient Arts cannot proc while Premeditation was up, which is why it is a DPS loss to talent into it as the Shadowstrike clones with rotten up can crit insanely hard.
• There is also a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts 3.

[lilac stag]

Is in the pins where you found the.5

[hazy breach]

was up

Fuck me

[civic wing]

Yes

[lilac stag]

Yes

[civic wing]

Thanks

[hazy breach]

Other people have manually edited the wdps, but idk how to do that and i cant be bothered to look up how to. But you can also just look at the obscene value of weapon dps in stat weights and compare that to 24 secondaries

[still gazelle]

They're only giving dungeon ones back?

[shrewd lantern]

literally explains it in the blue post

[lilac stag]

3T outlaw.

[shrewd lantern]

any you spent pre fix

[fossil forge]

<-

[shrewd lantern]

if you spent on chim pre fix and got ooze trinket

you get your rolls back but can still roll ooze again

[fossil forge]

I got Gaze

[shrewd lantern]

got mine from vault

[fossil forge]

We literally dicussed this earlier

[shrewd lantern]

i slam on xenas

[fossil forge]

:dentge:

Gg nitro gone

[shrewd lantern]

gonna laff if i get dagger

or gloves

[fossil forge]

Imma keep them for crown kill

[swift tinsel]

someone in guild is complaining that its unfair since they didn't spend any of their rolls til today

[last delta]

Is it still mastery in AA or crit now?

[still gazelle]

You see, that's what I thought, but it uses a dungeon example and then says anybody who spent any cores. That's why I wasn't sure.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean crown is good too

[hazy breach]

Mastery or vers

[bleak night]

All cores that were spent before the fix will be refunded

Regardless of what they were spent on

The dungeon example was just them explaining how you can still get a dupe

[shrewd lantern]

if you didnt have myth legs

getting crown legs is 40 gilded

[fossil forge]

I have craft

[shrewd lantern]

unlaaki

[fossil forge]

need the neck

[rancid sierra]

Any rogue tips for mythic vanguard?

[fossil forge]

Go bench

[rancid sierra]

I WAS JUST TYPING

AND NOT BENCH

[fossil forge]

[shrewd lantern]

play assa

or bench

or enjoy fighting the tank for last

[fossil forge]

Meaningful 20k+dps

With the assa swap

[rancid sierra]

I have a 280 Spriest, ill play that prob

I just meant general tips from the boys

[fossil forge]

law has to go bonkers on paladins no

[shrewd lantern]

highest logs still assa

[fossil forge]

Only cuz charrends godpull didnt proc

[swift tinsel]

rip the goat

[warm marlin]

you do kinda run out of energy perma on 3 targets as trickster

[vernal drum]

hey

What would you craft if u were me ? :

can craft 2 items i guess

[swift tinsel]

battle visage kinda whack, you hover as a dragon so scale is like 30% dragon

[shrewd lantern]

its funny to just have myyhic items in bag

because no crests

and heroic socket is better as a result

[ashen warren]

sim but I would guess crit haste items for raid like ring

[vast sequoia]

is the new aoe blind not supposed to wrok against this week's affix?

[swift tinsel]

if its like before you need to target something else

and it will splash to them

its quite dumb

[vast sequoia]

but you can't blind the orb directly and splash to the other orbs?

[willow bobcat]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hazy breach]

Correct

[lucid jackal]

So

When raidbots says

WDPS is 220 DPS

+4 is just 880

Or is it not

[vast sequoia]

thats odd, i was wondering why it wasnt working on my earlier keys today

[swift tinsel]

ye blind is big dumb with this week's affix

[hazy breach]

It gives +10 wdps ingame on my character sheet

[vast sequoia]

well ty all

[lucid jackal]

WTF

[stuck arrow]

Big dam

[hoary bloom]

I have 4 mythic items and I need 280 crests to fully upgrade them

[lucid jackal]

How do we varify all this math

I'm so lost

[hazy breach]

Just use em on your mainhand

People did it back in prepatch

Ig you can go assa and see how much more damage your dots do (as they have no variance)

Should be like 1.5% or something like that

[finite hedge]

You can also just see all your skill damage go up on tooltip when you apply it

[hazy breach]

Yeah but tooltips in wow are notoriously awful at telling you anything