subtlety

[somber sun]

blizzard respects our time ?

[warm marlin]

I assume you don’t have the renown trinket?

[thorn sundial]

!supercharge

[graceful osprey]

Let me cope harder

[warm marlin]

Because it is very strong for its ilvl

[wintry heart]

insert new $90 mog pack while rogue is still bugged 2 months from now

[somber sun]

ngl also crazy we have to keep rolling each week till we get specific item

[warm marlin]

If you’re committed to 2x on use you should use box first if you’re lusting pull

The haste from feather is less important during lust

[edgy imp]

kinda nice popping a trinket to empower every shadow blades, sims higher in patchwerk but dungeon slice insignia and box sim higher with weding ring

[graceful osprey]

Both rolls this week I got myth chest and shoulder…but I already have myth chest and shoulders, but surely those are out of the bonus roll loot table surely

[wintry heart]

Do you have the option to get guidon

[manic salmon]

transmog team makes money, rogue balancing team doesnt make money

[edgy imp]

ty i usually pop box first but i wasnt sure what was best to mid max.. what if not lusting ?

[edgy imp]

if i can get in a mythic raid

[warm marlin]

I think box is just stronger so probably still box?

Feather might be better in st

[wintry heart]

Heroic guidon is better than those trinkets

In ST

[edgy imp]

domnt wanna roll it on heroic even gaze i want to wait til i can do mythics but idk

[warm marlin]

Actually the order of your trinkets is the order it uses them in

[wintry heart]

I see what you’re saying but the difference between heroic and mythic guidon is barely noticeable

[warm marlin]

So it’s using feather first which is 0.8% gain over box so ig that’s the answer

[edgy imp]

i see maybe i use voidcores for that or gaze what do you think ?

[thin sinew]

isn't feather also oversimming as it can't tell what stat or if one will be reduced

[wintry heart]

Using voidscore on heroic raids would be trolling but it’s up to you

[edgy imp]

thats what i was thinking so i was doing it wrong for i gues longer fights but ill pop feather first now i guess

[vale pine]

you can do all of this, but you would need to spend an ungodly amount of time to check who has a lockout

[thin sinew]

so it could be positive if it removed vera but any other and you get gimped

[vale pine]

means, joining a pug group for your bonusroll might not be smart

wait not bonusroll

i mean loot

[keen dome]

Most people who go into a heroic pug won't be locked. And if one person is, it's one less item most of the time. It's very w/e.

[wintry heart]

I did heroic imperator to see if I could get heroic guidon natty because I had it in my vault and and I got dc’ed on pull, it counted for my lockout and I didn’t get crests or a chance at loot lol

[keen dome]

Most groups are 2/4/14 for that reason

trinket groups are going 30 man though

[edgy imp]

heroic gaze or heroic guidon if you could only pick 1 ???

[somber sun]

lowkey guidon

so you can replace the 100 bonus haste

[warm marlin]

gaze is harder to get guidon is stronger

[somber sun]

really helps

[shrewd lantern]

lmao the bonus roll hotfix

doesnt do anything if you rolled prior to the fix

🤣

[thin sinew]

Also Rh4spy i'm assuming your haste flask? as your sim is using crit but you only have 630~ haste
if so your sims are slightly off anyway

[wintry heart]

Nope

[limber ore]

I got oozing vestiage, and then like 4 other dps rolled alnseer

It wasnt fun

[ember hull]

Blizz was just big brain and gave us the 30 energy bug on shadow blades to give us time to cast the puzzle box while we wait for energy

[shrewd lantern]

more impressed it gives a dupe item considering the pool is still 6 items

[placid pivot]

The cucked keep getting cucked

[shrewd lantern]

purely on the premise you still need to rng the same item again

[ripe flame]

Unlucky go next

[placid pivot]

Wow

[shrewd lantern]

i probably have a 1st world problem in the sense i have 4 myth items i still need to send 80 gilded on

and only 30 left this reset

[placid pivot]

What an ass hotfix didn’t even help those who got cucked

[vale pine]

we had 25 man raid and 3 loot pieces

[limber ore]

A lot of other dps can go tank spec - to rule out oozing vestige. Rogue get fucked.

[vale pine]

sooo

[placid pivot]

That is a first world problem

[vale pine]

idk

[edgy imp]

i usually use mastery flask, and eat crimson calimari usually puts me in like 20% haste

[swift tinsel]

the blue post did say they're looking into how to renumerate people who got screwed

[thin sinew]

can't use % haste need the haste rating

[limber ore]

700 haste not %

[shrewd lantern]

do i bother with a ticket

or not really

xd

[wintry heart]

Do you think you’re being restricted from having good trinkets because of your mog

[swift tinsel]

I mean idk if that would realistically do anything

bc its a known issue that's being looked into

[shrewd lantern]

also it was the same key level

so that thing about different levels is a lie

[ripe flame]

You dont really lose anything but realistically you won't gain anything probably

[keen dome]

that.. shouldn't hapen, that's very weird

[wintry heart]

I’m about to get another pit belt

I can feel it

[shrewd lantern]

i have

[swift tinsel]

was one roll pre-fix or both rolls post-fix

[shrewd lantern]

yeah one was pre

[vale pine]

its because soo many do dreamrift for bonusrolls

[swift tinsel]

well there ya go

[shrewd lantern]

xd

[vale pine]

if someone is locked out, he gets removed from the loot roll

[vale pine]

so the group counts as smaller

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but it doesnt do much if

someone did one prior

lmfao

[swift tinsel]

tomorrow being today relative to the post

[keen dome]

Yeah, I know. It's just.. that's wild to me. Damn. I had no idea.

People be weird about chim

[toxic igloo]

Anyone know if the recraft big is fixe

[wintry heart]

I’d bet all of my wow gold they’re just giving us all one extra roll

[toxic igloo]

?

[vale pine]

people want gaze

[shrewd lantern]

pit actually has nothing good for me

[swift tinsel]

ye its the most parsimonious fix imo

[keen dome]

I'm 100% getting another belt on reset

[vale pine]

i mea, i did the boss to get gaze

but with 3 items on 25 people

[keen dome]

I guess people killed on reset, didn't roll, then rekilled.

[vale pine]

even the chance to get 1 is low

yep

[astral axle]

too many words me no understand

[vale pine]

because you needed the sahrds

[swift tinsel]

and I could see them just giving +1 to anyone who has less than the cap so some people might just get a free roll for using one lol

[vale pine]

to unlock the bonusrolls

[swift tinsel]

which is fine bc you still have the risk of getting a dupe item if they essentially wiped the list of items you got as part of the fix

[shrewd lantern]

we getting there

[wintry heart]

I just did 3 tier 11 delves it was much faster

[shrewd lantern]

walled by crest cap

xddd

[vale pine]

they should just give +1 roll to everyone

any exception seems weird

[swift tinsel]

yeah this is most likely what happens

itd would be way, way too much work for them to pick and choose

[shrewd lantern]

most likely event

[vale osprey]

You can do 2s btw

[swift tinsel]

or to have a feasible way to police who got screwed and who didn't

[shrewd lantern]

unless they individually check

which i highly doubt

given their qa

[vale pine]

running a script

[warm marlin]

100000% is just gonna be giving everyone a roll

[vale pine]

vs. just increasing your weekly cap by 1

hmm

[warm marlin]

remember what happened with the spark exploit in tww

[lilac stag]

!claude what’s the most convoluted way possible to reimburse players that got a duplicate item with bonus rolls?

[wintry heart]

I know I also need hero crests because running heroic raid and +8 dungeons sounds terrible

[vale pine]

one is computational expensive

[ripe flame]

They items you win with the bonus roll seem to have an additional text on them so its weird they don't have like a hidden flag or something

[swift tinsel]

ye this was my reference thought too

[vale pine]

one is easy (technically)

[frosty bramble]

The alternative of “removing duplicate with checks on bonus rolls” is way too intensive for blizzard, given history the only fix they will do is give +1 roll to everyone (like tww sparks)

[warm marlin]

it seems we all have the same thought

[keen dome]

They'd have to give +2 'cos raid rolls are 2, and if the raid roll didn't count on the list originally it means if you used it yesterday / tuesday....

[shrewd lantern]

unless they +1 anyone who sent a roll before the fix

[swift tinsel]

well the fix sounds like they blank-slated the lists

[shrewd lantern]

idk if theres an easy way to check that

[keen dome]

You are potentially a week behind on getting what you want

[lilac stag]

Which means it won’t happen.

[warm marlin]

you know its extra funny

[keen dome]

Probably not. Not something they'd track

[warm marlin]

i bet everyone who rolled in raid also can get duplicates

[keen dome]

They won't give anybodya nything. I will just get a second belt from ChimM next week

[warm marlin]

all the people who rolled on chim

lost a week

[keen dome]

LIKE ME

[swift tinsel]

well, it really only applies to people who rolled in m+ bc the raid folks couldn't have gotten a duplicate

[gilded thistle]

Wtf happened with logs overnight??? Why did they remove 60k DPS and destroy my crown parse??

[vale pine]

you could not roll dublicates in raids^^

[ripe flame]

Our dh got a belt instead of gaze so on tuesday the funny could happen

[vale pine]

so people with dublicates only ended up in m+

[keen dome]

Okay but think about it for a minute.

[lilac stag]

Can’t roll duplicates in raid… YET

[karmic harbor]

Pre fix rolls don't count for loot protection

[swift tinsel]

but giving +2 to everyone even if they only rolled one in m+ would give the m+ roller folks an advantage

[warm marlin]

yes but if you DID roll, it probably didnt get added to the dupe pool

so you can get duplicates next week

[karmic harbor]

So anyone who rolled in raid is behind

[keen dome]

You could get duplicates because it wasn't recording the initial roll and removing the item from the loot pool.

[karmic harbor]

Potentially

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i mean rolling a dupe in raid is infinitely worse

since it costs 2

[vale pine]

thats true too

[keen dome]

You couldn't roll a second time in the raid. Ergo, if it didn't record it proprly when I rolled BEFORE they fixed it?

[karmic harbor]

2 rolls!

[swift tinsel]

yeah the whole thing is messy between if you rolled in raid or once in m+

[keen dome]

I could get a belt when I roll next week

[warm marlin]

except those of us who got gaze first try

[shrewd lantern]

luckily for me

i have no reason to roll raid

except cosmos

[keen dome]

They won't give us anything and I'll have double belt man on reset

[warm marlin]

ah yes the cosmos reclear

[ripe flame]

After buff

[warm marlin]

i think we will reclear lura before that abomination

[swift tinsel]

I used 1 roll and then held bc i saw the bug, do I get +1 or +2 since raid rollers got screwed if they blank-slated the loot list

[shrewd lantern]

that aint happening

XDDD

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin outlaw vanguard just do rotation and ignore any holding of “CDs”

[shrewd lantern]

i mean i used one roll

[warm marlin]

ye

[shrewd lantern]

then silly me thought they would have removed

[warm marlin]

maybe bind KS unlike me

[shrewd lantern]

from the pool

[swift tinsel]

same, so I'm curious what they do then

[shrewd lantern]

nope

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't be mad to get 2

[lilac stag]

I have it bound!

[swift tinsel]

if pit legs are back in my loot pool

[shrewd lantern]

realistically im not that behind since i need 320 gilded to upgrade my current gear

lmfao

[warm marlin]

you maybe dont AR if soaks are about to happen

[swift tinsel]

bc then I effectively didn't lose a roll bc I got 1 free one back

[warm marlin]

idk where you are assigned

[keen dome]

If they do anything, it has to be +2 to everone who has spent their roll before the hotfix or nothing matters imo

[warm marlin]

but im in a ranged one

[swift tinsel]

plus 1 to use for funsies

[obtuse orbit]

Starting lightbound vanguard tonight wondering how people are enjoying it on sub or if maybe sin is the play for it

[lilac stag]

Idk. We don’t have much melee

[keen dome]

But I bet they didn't track it and have no way to verify it

[swift tinsel]

but if I spent only 1 roll do I get 1 or 2?

[keen dome]

So they won't do anything

[shrewd lantern]

i need 3 resets of crests to even upgrade the gear i currently have

so lowk extra myth gear rn is

excessive

[vale pine]

i need to get rid of this

[keen dome]

Fuck knooooows

[swift tinsel]

the separate cost thing really scuffs it

[keen dome]

If they were planning to give people a refund I think they would've done so already, they won't do shit.

[warm marlin]

120 crests in debt, take vault and now in hopefully 160 crests of debt, bonus roll pit twice and now in 320 crest of debt

[swift tinsel]

they said they're saying more about it today

[warm marlin]

its gonna be great

[lilac stag]

Trying to sort out gaze + heroic ranger or cruicible. Can probably just bind ranger to every ability

[edgy imp]

Agility

57.39

Mastery

34.19

Critical Strike

24.55

Versatility

24.44

Haste

21.71

Off Hand Weapon DPS

12.37

Weapon DPS

306.22

[shrewd lantern]

take raid vault unironically to save crests

or hole

[keen dome]

Oh, I didn't notice that. Although it might just be those who got duplicates and not rolled

[warm marlin]

ye i mean if i dont get something good in raid vault

[keen dome]

Happy to eat my "they won't do shit" words though

[warm marlin]

im taking hole

i cant spend the crests on m+ piece anyway

[swift tinsel]

I don't know how they'd realistically separate who got duped and who didn't

[shrewd lantern]

i probs should take hole if my raid vault isnt giga either

[warm marlin]

and bonus rolls means i get everything

[shrewd lantern]

since bonus rolls gonna put me deeper

4 2/6 pieces

[keen dome]

Same

[shrewd lantern]

with 30 gilded this week left

[swift tinsel]

the whole thing is a huuuuuuuuuge mess

[warm marlin]

im only 500 myth crests off the myth achievement

[swift tinsel]

and it sounds like the bugfix reset loot pools

[lilac stag]

I think we full send gloves and leave outlaw weapon 5/6

[keen dome]

The one thing we didn't want to happen with this system immediately happened.

[swift tinsel]

yeah its pretty much worst case scenario bug lmao

[shrewd lantern]

yk what surprises me more about the dupe

the fact that the game actually gave me one in a pool of 7 items

[swift tinsel]

bc if you spent on m+ loot and got duped items you're out a roll, and then can potentially get the item a third time

[shrewd lantern]

like what are the odds

[keen dome]

that's actually a funny point

[swift tinsel]

which would be fucking hilarious

[manic salmon]

is myth of the dawn achievement 285 ilvl requirement

[keen dome]

lmao

yeah

Also if you say, spent it on Myth chim and it didn't log the item. You can't go rekill Myth chim

[warm marlin]

im not sure

[shrewd lantern]

like if i got the gloves from xenas while having tier gloves on myth

its also useless but not a dupe

[keen dome]

So even if they did refund the currency, you are behind a week no matter what

[manic salmon]

it could be an option of taking everything on your alts to reduce the craft cost on main

[warm marlin]

last time it was but this time you need to have all 276 ilvl for hero for example

[swift tinsel]

yeah this part is especially damning

[somber sun]

is the arcane mastery enchant worth considering on either dagger ?

[warm marlin]

idk if anyone has confirmed yet

[swift tinsel]

unless they let you kill and roll even if you already looted

[keen dome]

You can't

Mythic instance locks do not work that way

[swift tinsel]

l m a o

its almost like mythic locks are the fucking worst

specifically

[shrewd lantern]

im just more surprised how many people get dupes

[keen dome]

same

It makes me wonder if the system was even MORE fucked

[shrewd lantern]

because it means you have to win the low chance

[swift tinsel]

oh it had to be

[shrewd lantern]

of getting the item again

[warm marlin]

eh its not actually that low no?

[shrewd lantern]

if theres 8 items in a pool you still have to win the 1/8

to get a dupe

[edgy imp]

what are the odds of rolling gaze on chim ?

[warm marlin]

1/4

[keen dome]

1/7 chance to get the item the first time, and then.. I guess it's alsoa 1/7 chance the second time?

[swift tinsel]

yep

[edgy imp]

vs the odds of rolling guidon on imp Av

[swift tinsel]

no n-1

[warm marlin]

nah the first 1/7 chance doesnt matter

[shrewd lantern]

its just the probably

of winning a 1/8 twice

[warm marlin]

whatever result you got it would just be the 1/7 to get it again

[wintry heart]

1/4 as well I think

[shrewd lantern]

is typically low

[warm marlin]

so like 15% of people would get dupes

kinda high

[keen dome]

Yeah I'm trying to think on how you'd calculate the probability and forgetting how to do that

[keen dome]

yeah that sounds right, lot higher than my gut told me

[shrewd lantern]

in b4 the game code is spaghetti

and actually has a higher dupe chance

[keen dome]

I think it's broken in half spaghetti at this point

[manic salmon]

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=42770/myth-of-the-dawn @warm marlin

[shrewd lantern]

yk its like in my head

[stuck arrow]

You have to calculate the probability of not getting it twice.

[manic salmon]

its just average 285

[shrewd lantern]

even if dupe wasnt fixed

[edgy imp]

if i have puzzlebox and emberwing should i prioritize guidon or gaze or say fuck it and farm neck ?

[shrewd lantern]

theres no way i win a 1/7 for the same item again right

[warm marlin]

wait i can get it next week maybe

[shrewd lantern]

[keen dome]

you will

Just like how I am going to win the belt again on reset

[manic salmon]

quite possible

[keen dome]

Or alternativel this is gonna happen

Belt -> Snot trinket -> Chest -> BELT -> gaze.

[manic salmon]

im 282.31 without having a hero track necklace in my bags

[hazy breach]

Imagine getting loot

Couldn't be me

[warm marlin]

I will be 284.4 next reset just spending my crests

[manic salmon]

i got 2 pieces from beloren

[shrewd lantern]

so is the play to send items to 5/6

just for achieve

[keen dome]

I got a dagger from my voraius kill natty, that was my present for the week

[manic salmon]

chest and dagger

[shrewd lantern]

and save on the remainder

[hazy breach]

(that's a lie I got a gaze in vault yesterday)

[warm marlin]

if i take raid vault and get one free uppie from dragons or something i get 285

[manic salmon]

Yw

Ye

[swift tinsel]

I am now officially up to 3 myth items

[sleek musk]

so was premed bug an actual bug or just blizzard's choice for it to not work?

[swift tinsel]

huge bigly over here

[shrewd lantern]

i have 4 at 2/6

and no crests to spend

[edgy imp]

bruh i cant find a guild thats doing mythics already

[shrewd lantern]

lmfao

[swift tinsel]

I've been able to full send crests as soon as I got them lol

[shrewd lantern]

i think with my current gear

[swift tinsel]

one was week 2 and 2 were on tuesday

[manic salmon]

imperator azortharion gives me 4 items so its my bonus loot angle instead of chimaerus

[shrewd lantern]

the only major gains left are a xenas ring

[swift tinsel]

and have 2x crafts

[vale osprey]

Crests seriously fucking me ATM, and I've used no coins and we have full myth reclear tn

[hazy breach]

Also i can highly recommend the silly "Lucky vault" addon. Its great

[manic salmon]

oh yeah

love it

[hazy breach]

makes vault feel more gamba

https://tenor.com/view/gamba-gif-25945486

[shrewd lantern]

im at a point i can get griefed by vaults for a month

[manic salmon]

overstimulated

[shrewd lantern]

and it wont do much

XDDD

[manic salmon]

from regular vault

[keen dome]

It's really good

[swift tinsel]

I kinda scuffed my hero crests bc I got literally all but I think 1 of my hero pieces at 1/6 and then just got bracers and belt/gloves at 3/6

oh and a ring

[keen dome]

Blizz should bake it into the game. I think it'd make the game better.

[swift tinsel]

so I couldn't get good crest save items

[hazy breach]

Its so stupid and bad that it circles around to where it becomes good again

[shrewd lantern]

like raid vault is good only because it lets you skip upgrade tracks

but m+ vault for me is kinda piss if not xenas ring

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's the best kind of addon

Just so dumb that it's brilliant

[manic salmon]

kinda yea

[vale osprey]

Sounds like you needed to do more keys 🙃

[swift tinsel]

doesn't help with loot luck lil buddy

[wintry heart]

What does this vault one do. I only know of the one that puts it behind a door like a game show

[swift tinsel]

when I've gotten custodian cuffs 5x

[vale osprey]

Leather stacks are your friend

[manic salmon]

i did about 100 keys on my rogue in the first reset + second reset 2 days and i didnt get a single hero track neck

[swift tinsel]

who do you think I'm trading all these bracers to

[wintry heart]

Jesus Christ I’ve done like 32 keys all season

[keen dome]

I'll never leather stack. I will just run the dungeon and the loot will be what I want it to be. I have a 50/50 chance of getting it every time and I like those odds.

[swift tinsel]

also I don't want to live in keys

[vale osprey]

I was getting fucked on loot until I made the good ole double druid triple rogue groups

[swift tinsel]

I don't enjoy this game this much to do that

[frosty bramble]

Yeah I’m 281 with crest capped and only got 1 mythic raid piece (all others have been from vault) even crafted pants because my luck has been shit, lived with a vet gaze till last week. Fml (now it’s champ lol)

[swift tinsel]

especially this season of butts

[warm marlin]

i got it on my 34th pit of saron

[manic salmon]

i had champ alleria neck so i didnt bother

[swift tinsel]

jUsT RuN mOrE kEys

[keen dome]

I got the cloak from skyreach during my weeklies, that was nice

[vale osprey]

I had to bring the resident guild luck hoarders

[warm marlin]

it wasnt as bad as it sounds

[manic salmon]

yeah

[keen dome]

A really annoying guy who died 15 times during the key asked if he could have it and I said no and left.

[manic salmon]

pit is very non-offensive

[vale osprey]

At least it's pit

Which is quick and fun

[warm marlin]

i found my way into a liquid funnel group and they let me stay for like 10 keys that were over in 10 mins each

[manic salmon]

although, one thing i hate about keys being as easy as they are

is that weeklies become omega demonic

[hazy breach]

That is the one im talking about

[manic salmon]

not trying to be elitist but holy fuck the people doing 10s and 12s are.... yeah

[fiery fog]

first bonus roll on pit

is

a belt

[warm vale]

guys i dont like using this ability, is it okay if i still use premiditation , even tho in the new patch ppl dont use it ?? and why do they use this useless healing thing ??

[fiery fog]

:(

[keen dome]

yeah, god. I need to stop doing 10's

[warm marlin]

dont think ive done a pug all season

[vale osprey]

At the moment it's absolutely horrid yeah

[keen dome]

they weren't hard, but they were annoying

[swift tinsel]

this season especially they feel...special

[manic salmon]

yeah good for you bud i got ghosted by 4 groups

[swift tinsel]

with how much easier keys are you find all kinds of folks at levels they probs shouldn't be at

[vale osprey]

No you will get banned for using premed still!!!!

[manic salmon]

might be because im an annoying dumbass but hey

[swift tinsel]

people that you wouldn't normally see above a 7 are now in your 12's

[manic salmon]

i still get to complain

[warm vale]

no acc bro im new pls tell me

[keen dome]

I had one key where I was the highest DPS by 50k. The next highest.. was the tank. Who was 40k DPS higher than the second dps. Who was 20k higher than the third DPS. Who was 5k higher than the healer

[wintry heart]

Bud you’re in the sub rogue discord

[warm marlin]

nah but look at this key difficulty

we nearly 2 chest this

[vale osprey]

It's between like -0.6% to -1% to use premed

[keen dome]

the affix this week is beyond dire

[warm vale]

where can i find a new guide , like a proper one ? do u know

[swift tinsel]

this is menace behavior and I approve

[keen dome]

Watching BDK's and Priests and warriors and hunters just do nothing while I'm sitting there going "oh my gooood"

[swift tinsel]

(assuming you knew them)

[vale osprey]

Everything you need is within this discord

[warm marlin]

it was a 5stack yes

[keen dome]

!guide

[swift tinsel]

high key hilarious balance

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[copper lily]

I feel you, got the legs, only piece in mythic... 😂 Felt crazy ngl

[frosty bramble]

The issue (which is in pins) is the builders from premed don’t count towards apex = less clones. And probably been around since apex released

[warm marlin]

neither of our ret palas trinkets had strength on them

[swift tinsel]

like key levels below 14-15 are just weird

[tepid trellis]

been around since shadowcraft got made back in DF

[keen dome]

They're great for getting people into doing keys, which I think is great.

[tepid trellis]

that premed blocks it

it just extended to the apex cuz its essentially the same as old Shadowcraft

[keen dome]

Some of those people shouldn't be doing keys, but, hey. It's still cool.

[frosty bramble]

Yeah, and if feels like shit 💩

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm cool with the lower barrier to entry, and I find Lindormi's to be a great tool to help get folks acclimated

[sullen hare]

12s are usually okay right?

[warm vale]

omg ty for the telling me about pins didnt even see that, ty alott and ty everyone else for helping

[tepid trellis]

ong

[sullen hare]

all I know is 2-5 is a pit of suffering no one should ever have to experience

[swift tinsel]

but the rating creep has made people look quite a bit better than they might otherwise be in previous seasons

[keen dome]

I think the stuff they're doing with Lindormi and the toggle for % in higher keys is really really good.

[warm vale]

tysmm ❤️

[swift tinsel]

like I'm at 2800 while putting in zero effort

[tepid trellis]

but hey atleast we got word from blizzard that they were looking to the Deepening shadows issue

but no ETA

[swift tinsel]

which is the highest rating I've gotten ever I'm pretty sure

[tepid trellis]

on when if it gets fixed

[keen dome]

🙏 hell yeah

[stuck arrow]

Ephemeral bonds is slightly goated tbh. If your healers know about it they be competing with eachother to snipe heal you for the logs.

Makes you look good.

[manic salmon]

bro it cannot be more than 5 hours of work

[swift tinsel]

was that in exile's stream or was there actual word beyond that too

[manic salmon]

especially with ai being as good in lua as it is

[keen dome]

I'm at 3.1k which is enough to get instantly invited to weekly keys, but I need to push to 3.4k which is probably gonna be around where the old 3k was.

[frosty bramble]

Rogue just gets left with bugs until it becomes a feature

[sullen hare]

they may not have an ETA but I sure do

[dense geode]

what was wrong with it

[tepid trellis]

with how old and fragile wow is in its code and the fact that its an update rate issue with haste i doubt its easy without breaking everything else

[fallow nimbus]

!addons

[tepid trellis]

takes up to 1 sec for it to update the haste value

[dense geode]

oh that issue

[stuck arrow]

It takes a gcd to update.

[dense geode]

i see ok

[tepid trellis]

which is why we press guidon

1 sec before dancing

which is fkcing annoying

[sullen hare]

that's annoying

having to chug backstabs just to get our opener going is revolting

[tepid trellis]

vanish strike is your friend

[steep raven]

I macroed Guidon to Shiv to force a cheap gcd (with toxic stiletto)

[fallow nimbus]

what was the command for the addons like "hide cb sound"?

[steep raven]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[tepid trellis]

[sullen hare]

it's like mutesoundfile

I think

[grim wasp]

When you backstab 4 times at start and team blew up hero and there is no apex proccing what do you do?

[steep raven]

It's actually nice, also helps getting to 7cp for cheaper than backstab

[tepid trellis]

also cant proc hero talent

[sullen hare]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/API_MuteSoundFile

[tepid trellis]

lust does fuck all for sub

[steep raven]

Well you do press 2 SS before and right after

[tepid trellis]

so you just dont give a shit

[tepid trellis]

it can random reset cd

so you "can" still miss it

[grim wasp]

I got raid in some 45 mins gonna have to update addons. We still going for 700 haste?

[tepid trellis]

think if you were to sim it for fun it would be a 0.1-0,2 thing

[steep raven]

And you will lose 1 gcd worth of maybe fazed proc, but you gain gcds by not waiting for energy and backstabs

[tepid trellis]

which is a fart in the wind

[shrewd lantern]

ngl this is funny since anyone who didnt get their item from a raid bonus roll

[manic salmon]

update rates are not an issue for other abilities that depend on stats

[shrewd lantern]

is technically fucked

[manic salmon]

who knows

[shrewd lantern]

even if they +1 people that rolled

[grim wasp]

Got pit dagger and a hand i converted to myth one roll left

[warm marlin]

the extra sht do help a bit with getting into cds faster

[swift tinsel]

the no snd part sucks

[shrewd lantern]

lol pit is insanely bad for me

[grim wasp]

Went in pit with expectation of needing 3 rolls there got dagger on first now alguitar trinket

[warm vale]

how r ppl this smart that they know this stuff its crazyy!!!! wowww

[swift tinsel]

to get swift slasher value from lust before you jump in

[tepid trellis]

we dont have a life and test shit all the time

is the short answer

[warm vale]

thank u so much tho !!!! inshallah u have an amazing life tho fr u help alot of ppl

[shrewd lantern]

i think only usable pit item for me is cloak

which is

or bracers

[tepid trellis]

all of my bonus rolls are going straight into nexus point

[shrewd lantern]

same

[tepid trellis]

need me that ring combo

[shrewd lantern]

got a chest twice

[tepid trellis]

i havent used any

[keen dome]

hell yeah ring comb

[tepid trellis]

as i heard it was bugged and havent logged in since

[shrewd lantern]

The chest was nice since i didnt have a myth one

was probably third best item after the rings for me from there

[tepid trellis]

chest is also the last tier item i miss that isnt myth

but in total its only
chest
rings
wrist

im missing

[shrewd lantern]

i’ve been out on chim

since i have gaze

[late blaze]

did they fix the smoke bug yet?

[shrewd lantern]

im missing shoulders

[warm vale]

omg i just realized ur the method guide guy hahah so cool !! thanks for the guides man

u better be getting paid

[shrewd lantern]

I think my only hero pieces are rings and shoulder now

and i guess i need a myth boot or bracer to replace crafted

else im just gates by crests

[grim wasp]

stupid question does the cloud thing work on raid boss?

[left ledge]

ill save you the trouble

[tepid trellis]

dont use it tho it isnt updated for this patch yet, it will be soon tho

[left ledge]

it not getting fixed

[thorn sundial]

any sub guru that knows if the apex talent optimization still valid with the .5 changes or if its different in any ways? ?

[shrewd lantern]

rogue bugs dont get fixed

[tepid trellis]

yes?

[shrewd lantern]

unless it gives damage

[tepid trellis]

you get the 3x fazed

[prime mortar]

I'll use it cause i can't stand the fart cloud

[grim wasp]

I see i thought fazed only worked on trash mob

[fleet acorn]

Why would u go for Ring combo when there are better rings

[late blaze]

time to re roll, LMAO

[tepid trellis]

thats the neat part

[grim wasp]

you guys are so smart thanks for all the info

[tepid trellis]

they are the best

[keen dome]

he speaks the truth

nexus rings are the best

[tepid trellis]

very very slightly

[keen dome]

AND they have a set on them so it looks pretty

[edgy imp]

QUESTION : where do we want mastery to be now id crit is the new stat to prioritize ? im still kinda condused, please help

[left ledge]

idk

sim it

[wise peak]

Should I macro Dance and Blades together?

[left ledge]

my sim hates mastery

[fleet acorn]

SIM says other rings from fuu list

[shrewd lantern]

the ring set is nice

[hexed sluice]

This is the way, clearly more sets = more dps cause more synergies and effects

[shrewd lantern]

you can watch it fight for last with instant poison

[stuck arrow]

Only have a hard requirement for haste.

Everything else is too complicated; stats change the value with the amount of it you have and they are also multiplicative.

Just pray to raidbots and receive it's wisdom.

[keen dome]

Right??

[polar solar]

is cloud cover still costing us 30 energy?

[keen dome]

Sadly so.

[olive canyon]

guys who are doing 18+keys how is sub? is it an assa play?

Im finding it quite good around that 17/18 mark thus far

[hexed sluice]

Probs still gonna craft normal embellishments, but I enjoy my row walkers /rings /tier getup, just need the necklace for another effect item for my casual heroic raiding

[naive solar]

52 tries it took, nullaeus ?? is dead on my sub rogue. jesus christ.

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, well done!

[naive solar]

THe last 5% is crazy .

holy shit, i dont know how many 1% wipes i had.

[rain stratus]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[dusky yacht]

My launcher downloaded a patch what did they fix lmao

[somber sun]

might be cope

but worst class to do nullaeus

[shrewd lantern]

enhance

rogue you can tricks valeera at least

[somber sun]

I mean yeah, but her very bad AI doesn't help

sometimes*

[stuck arrow]

They can just roll resto and let DPS/tank Valeera solo him lol

[somber sun]

bring back brann

[shrewd lantern]

yeah probably mage if going by class

[somber sun]

is crit flask any good in m+ btw?

[ornate light]

is it still the case that we shouldn't be taking Premed? not having full combo points on the opener feels awful

[naive solar]

Yea this was helpful in the end when i was geting clobbered. Also directly after ressing Valeera i'd tricks her.

[plush roost]

Yeah its like -0.8% or something

[naive solar]

It was a challenge for sure. many suggestions from friends to just "get a tank and do it". But this feelt like an accomplishment. 😄

[plush roost]

To take prem

[somber sun]

true true

100% agreed

[ornate light]

it's a bug isn't it?

[fiery fog]

this game

pit bonus rolls into belt and cloak

gotta be a joke

xd

[grim wasp]

Since we want more crit now should i swap puzzlebox for solarflare prism?

or crucible?

[rain stratus]

Sim it

[plush roost]

Ye

[grim wasp]

I need to learn how to sim

[foggy estuary]

Crit for ST mastery for aoe but have a good mixture of both.
Tldr: sim it but prolly this^

[plush roost]

A bug that will never be fixed

[ornate light]

hope they fix it asap

[plush roost]

Been in the game for years

[ornate light]

oh

great

[plush roost]

Its just even more noticable

Since we spawn clones now

[limber ore]

So on hero for hero - solarflare runs at 0.5% better for me than puzzle box

[plush roost]

And they do dam

Before it was just shadowcraft refunds in tww

[hazy breach]

Most of the damage loss is not due to the bug

Its just that the apex is poorly desgined so it does not work with premed

[grim wasp]

Thanks king puzzlebox in bag now

[jade oasis]

me too bro, me

too

[hazy breach]

The interaction is poorly designed* ig

[plush roost]

Yeha ig its technically not a bug but it surely seems like a bug

[tawny peak]

any way to make raidbots help you get to 700 haste or am I swapping gear around like an idiot?

[ornate light]

opening and having 1 CP feels terrible 😄

[foggy estuary]

Droptimizer?

[stuck arrow]

Raidbots.com

Download the simc add-on.

Then copy and paste lol

[stuck arrow]

Nothing clean. Can sim without weapon oils to get a buffer

[tawny peak]

ok, thanks, that's what I figured Flay

[grim wasp]

I have it its hard to read for me

[stuck arrow]

In what sense?

[balmy jackal]

is the bug with shadowblades casting distract still a thing?

[slender granite]

Its so funny that blizzard just said fuc* it lets just make it cast distract

[grim wasp]

Well i simed it

solarflare is 2k less dps than puzzlebox

[swift tinsel]

yeah that part is kinda baffling

as the solution they chose

[grim wasp]

but you know what ill trade 2k dps for not pressing it

[stray bloom]

so with the "cursed" opener since new patch where we skip pre med- is there any sort of Dig Rat available in retail? at this point it would be a gigantic dps increase to have stored points before each pull right?

[solar glen]

Is there any Bug known in warcraftlogs yesterday?

[soft latch]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[solar glen]

After raid it seems all fine..now its everything on "Invalid Log" on every Boss

[stuck arrow]

Did you get many externals lol

[solar glen]

Nah not for me. The whole Log is gone

From the whole Guild

[stuck arrow]

Huh. Yeah, idk.

[solar glen]

https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZkLaAVjrG9zc6gvp

Never seen before

[rain stratus]

Why is premed a DPS loss again?

[vast tartan]

guys do you know why my dance+st macro doesnt properly work during blades in m+

[dreamy badger]

is guidon bugged? im pressing that shit a whole second in advance now but i dont get long dance

wtf

[stuck arrow]

Because it stops you from getting clones on strike

[lucid jackal]

It stops your apex from triggering

So it means you dont get added value from the rotten

[warm marlin]

blades costs 30 energy with cloud cover, you need 60 to do a dance/sectec macro with it

[lofty tundra]

I know archon isn’t updated yet, but what talents are you guys running for M+ now?

[cursive tundra]

first try bonus roll

[vale pine]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[sturdy mortar]

that is such a sad statement to read. I wonder if a fix for that is in the works. It's a feels bad moment when I don't catch my energy and play like I'm used to.

[stuck arrow]

If you just pool a little bit shouldn't really have an impact. Should be doing it anyway to use sectec at max combo points.

Just hold off on one Eviscerate outside of dance.

[stray bloom]

is it worth to vanish>shadow strike instead of backstab in the opener?

[rain stratus]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[tame notch]

Do we still use Adamantite Sharpening Stone on offhand weapon after 12.0.5 or they fixed it?

[stuck arrow]

Depends on fight timer. Technically it's a loss - but do it if it's what lines cooldowns up with encounter. A good chunk of the time it is in my experience.

[stray bloom]

ty sir

[warm marlin]

idk seemed to work fine

you dont put it on offhand though

only mainhand

[wintry heart]

What’s adamantite

I’ve been rolling with the haste one

[warm marlin]

tbc weapon consumable

[wintry heart]

Yes but why are we using it

[warm marlin]

they squished it wrong so its like 0.5% better than oil

[wintry heart]

Oh damn lol

[warm marlin]

only on mh

[tame notch]

oh thanks then

[dreamy badger]

ok nvm i respecced a talent and now guidon works

nice

[dense geode]

If I take premed do i drop rotten

[grim wasp]

is it still 700 haste today?

[stray bloom]

okay now im testing opener more and wondering if a gouge is worth? it costs less energy than backstab and can give same amount of cp. so you can Shadowstrike>vanish>shadowstrike>gouge>backstab> CDs dance sechtech. thoughts?

its really smooth tbh

[tawny peak]

gaaah! I hope that isn't a thing...

[stray bloom]

its very fun i like pressing all my rogue buttons

[tawny peak]

can you gouge bosses for combo points?

[stray bloom]

oh no, i dont think so actually. i just tried on a boss dummy

didnt give cp

[fringe lava]

so with the new talents is it normal to sometimes having to strike 3 times in a row to proc ancient arts in the opener?

[stuck arrow]

Maybe. I don't think you get combo point of target is immune though.

Shiv likely better.

It's likely almost negligible though tbh.

[grim wasp]

Guys pull is soon and i need help got 2 questions :

• Are we still aiming 700 haste?
• any things to change in openers or rotation? i read the 12.05 guide above

https://giphy.com/gifs/kiss-bear-teddy-dYfnPQ8FXSZhe

[tawny peak]

Blizzard is making me LoL a lot this patch, the bugs... the bugs!!!

[fringe lava]

like backstab to 7 -> blades dance sec tech -> no ancient arts strike x3-> evis

[lucid jackal]

You dont force ancient arts if u dont have 5 stacks of it

[vale osprey]

If you read it as you said then you know the changes, choose one 🙃

[trail bison]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[raw wadi]

does this also count for sectech?

i guess no?

[lucid jackal]

Yes and like, kinda but not really. Opener is slightly different the entire spec plays the same tho just have 60 energy going into CDs

[grim wasp]

Thanks for the heads up

[fringe lava]

ah i see

[grim wasp]

i get confused that is why i ask for help

[winged shore]

So taking premed just loses out on one ancient arts cast per dance, correct?

[fringe lava]

the faq just says to strike until ancient arts lol i didn’t know there’s a command

so i didn’t know there’s a 5 shadow technique condition too

[tawny peak]

They simplified a lot of stuff so they had to make something confusing...

I think I had to read it 5 times and then hear Shindigg explain it before I sort of understood what everyone was talking about. But I am old and thick.

[obsidian crag]

is the shadow blade extra energy gone?

[fringe lava]

maybe this needs an edit?

[tawny peak]

Writing instructions is so very hard...

[hushed roost]

ngl having plume is really nice

[tawny peak]

Easier to describe things.

[hushed roost]

switch between umbral/radiant between raid and m+

[keen dome]

nope

[grim wasp]

what condition?

[keen dome]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[fringe lava]

5 or more stacks

[grim wasp]

anyone got a video guide on rotation openers...etc

[fallow ingot]

stats battle complete

[hushed roost]

is that without oils

[limber folio]

dont wanna see my actual logs tho

[fallow ingot]

with sir

[tawny peak]

Pretty uber, honestly.

[hushed roost]

damn thats perfect

[limber folio]

i mean the reach is far

[cobalt surge]

Hey there. Im again (new) to the game. I've played WoW in Season3 with an SL/SL Lock.
Now im almost 40, boosted a 80s rogue and my goal is: 1800 in PVP! 😄

Is there any super friendly starter-guide available for Sub-Rogues?
I know, there are MANY, but, is there like a top 5 or anything?

Edit: Im struggling with Keybinds ^^

Greets
Ditox

[stray oyster]

where is the shadow tecniques tool tip located in the game

am i blind

[odd sandal]

Q I still have is if you do a sky reach 14 and then a 10, will they be separate loot pools or do they need to both be the same #?

[winged shore]

Could you get around the premed issue by not macroing sectec to dance and instead always open dance with shadow strike instead?

[hazy breach]

Spellbook

[tawny peak]

I don't know of any but you mgiht find more help on PvP forums just bellow.

[stray oyster]

im blind

i dont see it

[hazy breach]

Not talent

Spellbook

[cobalt surge]

Thanks! Ill try IcyVeins for now or maybe AI 🙂

[winged shore]

Because as I understand it, wouldn’t that first shadow strike clear premed and you’d be set?

With guidon it shouldn’t mess up getting a 2nd sectec during blades I do t think

Or am I missing something obvious

[lucid jackal]

Yes but the apex wont give you damage

Because the rotten is "Your next 2 generators"

Ur basically throwing away 1 rotten, EVERY shadow dance, for vibes

Which is like, fine, but its why its a DPS Loss

[lucid jackal]

This causes other issues

[unique beacon]

When I use Guidon my DS increase to SB goes from 1.47s to 2.33s and then to 2.77s. Why are there two "steps" when using it? Is the first one with diminishing returns and then the ability just forgets about it? All I want for christmas is bug free rogue man

[final agate]

Don't we all.

Imagine a world where rogue wasn't the buggiest class.

[crystal bone]

[final agate]

And it's been this way for so long, I think the community has developed Stockholm syndrome.

[unique beacon]

Oh definitely, playing rogue since classic since I can just jump in and activate my muscle memory like some sleeper agent within minutes after taking a long break

[iron imp]

Buggiest class has to go to Monk.
Say what you want about the state of rogue, but our talents don't slowly shut off mid combat

[fathom adder]

https://tenor.com/view/you-were-a-sleeper-agent-sleeper-agent-key-rocketjump-freddiew-gif-18896943

[final agate]

I'm getting back into it now after picking up tanking in tww and I forgot how much fun sub rogue is.

[polar solar]

guys i cba playing without premed

[gilded thistle]

yeah it feels like shit

[iron imp]

Craft a sword and go outlaw

[dense geode]

i too am a premed gamer

[final agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-ew-wtf-no-disgusted-gif-11058683547538402693

[gilded thistle]

if I wanna tickle the boss for the first 10 seconds of a pull i'll play sin

[stuck arrow]

Bosses like foreplay too.

[gilded thistle]

I'm still kinda struggling to understand the premed dps loss, how exactly does it affect the rotten?

[void ocean]

is anyone else using sound notifs from CDM, did they suddenly become quieter

[gilded thistle]

like if you shadowstrike on opener, then shadowblades, then dance+sectec, both your generators are still shadowstrikes

which is what the non-premed opener is going for as well, right?

what am I missing here

[winged shore]

Same here I might be dense but I’m not fully understanding the interaction

[gilded thistle]

heck your first two without premed don't even get the rotten

I must be dumb

[dusky yacht]

OOOOH BABY

LEND ME SOME SUGAR

I AM YOUR NEIGHBOR

[median nacelle]

its not cause rotten, its cause premed with apex refund cps cancels it out

[final agate]

So premed is not working with apex talents is what it comes down to?

[winged shore]

What part of the apex exactly isn’t activating though

[median nacelle]

refund cps

[winged shore]

Yeah but I don’t understand why that’s a loss since I still get full cp and build shadow techniques for my 2nd finisher

And rotten should still boost the damage of the first

Or am I dumb

Is the rotten also boosting shadow clone damage?

[median nacelle]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[winged shore]

It doesn’t seem so based on talent wording

[gilded thistle]

I'm gonna lose 0.5% dps from playing worse with the new opener

[hazy breach]

The shadowstrike clones are based on the initial hit, so yes

[gilded thistle]

so im jsut gonna stay premd

lol

[median nacelle]

play what u like, end of day it wont make or break

[winged shore]

That doesn’t seem like a bug though because spending aa only happens when it gens cp and premed hits already max

[hazy breach]

Ye its not a bug

It just sucks

[median nacelle]

ya bad duo

[fleet acorn]

no way crit flask is better forr us xd

[gilded thistle]

it would be nice if the wowhead guide had a premed option in the rotation section

instead of only showing the new opener

[winged shore]

Yeah I’ll probably stick with premed if it’s like .5% or less loss

I’d rather have the cleaner burst on open and vanish if I need it

[gilded thistle]

yeah

[median nacelle]

plenty of people play premed still

[polar solar]

without premed and with the shadow blades 30energy cost its sooooooooooooooo assssss

[winged shore]

I’m not doing CE so that kind of giga min max is irrelevant for me

[gilded thistle]

the 30 energy thing is such bullshit

I missed having cloud cover on an add phase on first boss last night cuz of it

[median nacelle]

it wont mtter rly either, especially when ur aware of it lol

[polar solar]

imagine the 30 energy cost from distract being added to SB

hahahaha blizzard u bozos

[gilded thistle]

yeah

doesnt explain why that would stop cloud cover from activating tho

it should just stop the distracrt from going off

[median nacelle]

spaghetti code

[winged shore]

They probably copied distract for that talent

[gilded thistle]

maybe they just got a /castsequence under the hood and it gets stalled

lmao

[winged shore]

Radius is the same yeah?

[vale osprey]

Just roll it guys

[hallow mortar]

Easy

[fleet acorn]

kekw i was running whole raid with mastery

[toxic igloo]

Does Sub have more sustain than Outlaw due to Exhilarating Execution?

[final agate]

Ez

[gilded thistle]

can we talk about the hero talents not being centered in the window?

[lyric patrol]

Based on logs a ton of ppl still use premed so it might not even be min maxing not to use it. Delaying opener that much can be bad on some fights

[tawny peak]

And that is the bug blizz will fix

[gilded thistle]

very important

[final agate]

Absolutely and then say rogue is perfectly fine.

[gilded thistle]

then they'll accidentally revert the fix, and claim it was because it gave us too much dps

[final agate]

[gilded thistle]

REAL

[final agate]

.....

[swift tinsel]

that meme was my immediate thought when I saw the notes that the stealth sound fix was amongst

[final agate]

They need to stop serving tide pods in the blizzard cafeteria

[wintry heart]

Okay but rogue stealth sound is essential for rogue gameplay

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-sarcastic-dr-evil-gif-11700948

[wintry heart]

But ive been playing rogue since classic so it just felt off not hearing it

[tepid trellis]

90% of the time i play without sound

[naive solar]

They removed it ?

[tepid trellis]

[fleet acorn]

whooelse raided with mythic flask? xd

[swift tinsel]

I play with sound on to hear the raid soundtrack once then its all off again

and just had Master on with WA effects

[naive solar]

You don't ever go to The Barrens at night just to hear the familiar soundtrack and get all nostalgic?

[wintry heart]

However muting cold blood was bis

[tepid trellis]

no?

[naive solar]

Me neither.

[wintry heart]

This but grizzly hills

[naive solar]

Not ashenvale either.

[tepid trellis]

i dont leave the main zone

i just tp to raid/dungeons

and just sit still

[lucid jackal]

LOLOLOL

[swift tinsel]

can tweet that if you want

[naive solar]

You know I swore off wow in wotlk, I was so burned out raiding in tbc ( this after having the same thing in classic and naxxramas). I never thought I'd play again. Not really nostalgic about wotlk at all, even though I ended up raiding ICC. I jooined like a year in.

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wanton mantle]

I look at Wotlk with rose colored glasses after i replayed it for classic i was like wow! This really sucks. Lol even naxx my fav raid besides nathria. Just wasnt the same.

[naive solar]

I joined a 100% portugese guild, they never spoke english. the only times they did it was the raidleader asking me "Swede, you know what to do?" "Yes." "<portugese>"

[dark prawn]

how much does the stat prio change with the new buffs? Im assuming 700haste still, but how much crit/mast?

[swift tinsel]

wotlk was when I actually started learning about the game vs just blindly questing around in tbc

[gilded thistle]

icc was my first real raid experience where I found out I was good at rogue and topped meters

[swift tinsel]

hit max level at the tail end of tbc, tanked Kara once and then maybe a month later wotlk launched

[naive solar]

I really liked Cataclysm actually. could be i was unemployed at the time, but also all my old friends started playing again and we even raided weekly. good times. the ruined a lot of zones and the last fight, fighting Deathwings back and toe-nails, was a bit lack luster ending to the exp. maybe this is #off-topic

[winged shore]

Mast still good for aoe so I’m going for like 3:2 crit/mast ratio for now since I do mix of raid and m+

[gilded thistle]

plume my beloved

click that and pop a mastery flask

time for m+

[fossil forge]

Any aleria tips

I feel like im doing 0 lowkey

[lucid jackal]

Welcome to melee dps on alleria

[gilded thistle]

stack supercharger points during intermission

[median canyon]

Trickster without Prem feels so bad. 😭

[naive solar]

How well is Deathstalker doing?

[gilded thistle]

imagine deathstalker for any reason at all

fuck that shit

[fossil forge]

i thought it will be much worse tbh

[tawny peak]

May it rest in pieces (deathstalker)...

[naive solar]

I was a Deathstalker chad, until I speced trickster. 😄

[gilded thistle]

they need to just delete it and try something else

it feels so bad

[naive solar]

I kind of liked the idea, but it broke down real fast.

[tawny peak]

Or at the very least don't make it so good that bad rogues (me) will try to play it.

[naive solar]

LIke someone RP'd to much.

[tidal solstice]

trickster the only good rogue hero tree

[gilded thistle]

also can we talk about crown having completely fucked parses now?

wtf did they do last night

rank 1 parse is a 78??

it said I pulled 160k last night, then logged in today to it saying I pulled 100k and my parse went from a 97 to a 33

but still says I'm rank 181

???

[hazy breach]

They removed all the small adds from the rankings

[real panther]

something is NOT OK!

[gilded thistle]

that would NOT be worth 60k dps when I was full single target

and it also doesn't explain rank 1 being a 78

something is absolutely broken rn

[formal helm]

dw, they fixed stealth sound for rogues

[gilded thistle]

my entire raid went from high 90 oranges to all greens this morning

[ashen warren]

same

[gilded thistle]

aint no fuckin way that's correct

[ashen warren]

ye this seems weird af

[real panther]

did they fix the 30energy thing?

[ashen warren]

no

[real panther]

NICE!

FREAKING NICE

[hushed roost]

which fight is this?

[ashen warren]

but unholy are fixed after less than 24h of course

[hazy breach]

Tbf they arent

[real panther]

ceo niece is playing dk

[ashen warren]

ye but the major loss their damage got was fixed

[hazy breach]

No

[ashen warren]

and his son ret

[tidal solstice]

guess we need a luigi

[hazy breach]

Theyre still losing like 15% of their damage

[ashen warren]

did a key w a guild mate and he told me it seems back to normal so idk

[mighty citrus]

no one plays rotten on beloren myth, is it due to their stats? i have a lot of crit and wonder what i should play there now. was assa first two nights but i guess sub is better now

[warm marlin]

everyone is playing rotten post patch

[fleet acorn]

how weird is that on all 3 specs my gems are now crit/haste xd

[hazy breach]

Yeah sure thats why the entire DK discord renamed it bugholy and all the pins are about how theres still 5+ bugs thats new

[mighty citrus]

mh i checked lorrgs, maybe its not correct sec

oh true, lorrgs is not up2date

my bad

[still basalt]

Why dont we run rotten in m+?

[ashen warren]

okay maybe he didn't pay attention lol

[fiery fog]

how much loss was premed again?

[tidal solstice]

not even .5%

[cloud hazel]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[gilded thistle]

again, petition to have it as an option in the wowhead guide rotation section

[civic lava]

Can we feint the silverstrike arrow Crown p1 ?

[fiery fog]

well
we recleared and the only time i wished i had premed was chimaerus because i was group 1

otherwise it was fine?
though beloren pull when holding blades for after add spawns is kinda scuffed too

[gilded thistle]

the only time i wish i had premed was every time we pulled a boss 💀

[trail bison]

just go premed then

[dense geode]

just use it

[gilded thistle]

yeah i am

that was a joke

[dense geode]

only time i dropped premed was for alleria

cause you dont want to CD off rip

[gilded thistle]

I blindly copied the wowhead guide build without actually reading any changes, then got to vorasius and realized i was missing it

and hit a sick blue parse cuz my day was ruined

threw off my steez

[ashen warren]

if u use premed again I feel like rotten is not that relevant anymore and finality might be better

if you have high crit stat but that's just a feeling

[hazy breach]

Rotten was better last patch too on pure ST

So its definitely still better

[ashen warren]

Okay didn't know

[hazy breach]

But yes the delta is smaller if you keep premed

[edgy imp]

should i use voidcores on trying to reroll hero neck , hero gaze , or hero light co guidon ???

[gilded thistle]

I tried to roll hero neck, then learned it used both my cores and i couldn't roll for ring in pit now

:c

i really gotta fuckin read

[fleet acorn]

whats the reason the gem always switches to head slot ?

[lucid jackal]

It's the first in the list

[hazy breach]

Raidbots just works that way as its first in the list

[fleet acorn]

oh thats why i see

just simmed + 5k just switching out 1 ring and all gems to crit haste so weird

[quaint breach]

won mythic gaze roll, then bonus rolled it 🥲

[gilded thistle]

hope u gave it to someone else lol

[spice matrix]

Sell it to your guildie

[quaint breach]

sold* but for cheap

[fleet acorn]

guys since the opener is delayed now cause of backstab on chimeron do you finish the whole burst rota on boss or use 2nd blade sectech on adds?

[gilded thistle]

good enough

[quaint breach]

300k only, soon it will be worth 0 due to bonus rolls

[gilded thistle]

I'd kill for 300k rn, I have a pair of boe boots in my inv rn I'm supposed to sell for the guild

but I wanna buy them myself

😐

[white tapir]

Did they change the sub opener to not grant full combo points at the beginning of a fight?

[gilded thistle]

yes, it recommends no more premed

but real gamers ignore it and keep using premed

[quaint breach]

i just flip ah when whales manipulates it. im comfy but far from rich. Bought a toy yesterday for 250k so this makes up for my childish habits

[gilded thistle]

i got 45k to my name rn

[fleet acorn]

is it worth to strike - vanish - strike - backstab?

[crystal atlas]

If you have a mythic voracious crafted dagger guidon and gaze what would yall spend rolls on?

[gilded thistle]

ring from pit unless u already got it

[fleet acorn]

nexus ring is better simming

[gilded thistle]

which one

void?

[fossil forge]

omission probs

[shrewd lantern]

probably means the combo together

neither are badly statted

[gilded thistle]

iunno i was just going by the bis list

[sly shore]

How was it I stop sim preferring ~620ish haste?

I forgor

[shrewd lantern]

i would say the combo is better since its a free .5% damage with decent stats on both.

[fleet acorn]

void

[cyan saddle]

in aoe settings, do we prioritize ST when cloud cover pops instead of FoK?

[sly shore]

no cos sstorm blasts

[shrewd lantern]

if it's 2-3t maybe strike?

doubt

cp gen