subtlety

[fiery fog]

Yesn‘t

We dont know

[hollow quest]

[fiery fog]

Blizzard says yes
Some people say no

[dusky yacht]

I don't get why they have this obsession now with releasing random shit to do like are we really the minority as raiders/m+ players?

[wintry dock]

please let me press spacebar blizzard 💔

[dry flame]

We are super minority yep

[wintry dock]

ill neever queue a dungeon again im sorry

[karmic harbor]

the people who've seen say no, are the ones who used rols before the fix

are there any cases of peope who ddint do that?

[shadow snow]

Rogue is the least played class in m+ rn

[dry flame]

They should release random shit tho, I think the game has lacked that over the years

[fiery fog]

Its the least played class for quite some time now iirc

[foggy estuary]

And second least played overall after evokers

[dusky yacht]

Raiding used to be the shit now I just saw you get 269 ilvl gear from.. What's it called.. The new shit they released idk man

[foggy estuary]

But evokers get ez pass in m+ 🙃

[dry flame]

In general it is

[dusky yacht]

I mean yeah maybe but shouldn't they fix the actual gameplay first

[shadow snow]

nah evoker used to be least played last exp. But now its us

[foggy estuary]

People have bad taste 💅

[dry flame]

We'd never get new content

[lilac stag]

I can let you know in 30 minutes. Running second Pit now

[dusky yacht]

TRUE okay yeah what am I even complaining about

[foggy estuary]

All the best king

[manic salmon]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[foggy estuary]

Positivity reminder 🫠

[dusky yacht]

Holy christ we got a list

[vale pine]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[dusky yacht]

[graceful osprey]

Still waiting for a melee/ranged hybrid rogue spec where I can spam jutsus

[shadow snow]

2 things we need from blizz right now are cloud cover costs no energy, premed works fine with the cloud talent.

[graceful osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-anime-rage-chidori-gif-17212878

[dusky yacht]

I'm dying

[manic salmon]

has anyone noticed that while cloud is active, if you apply unseen blade you may not get a stack of flawless form

you can genuinely run out of flawless form in fights

during sb

[shadow snow]

a melee mage would be actually fun

[graceful osprey]

Technically we kinda have a melee mage, enhancement shamans lol

[dusky yacht]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bugs-pervade-patch-12-0-5s-launch-leading-to-severe-player-frustration-381349

[sour horizon]

Well thats kinda dev DH Void Scarred Hero tree... But its tuned like ass

[dusky yacht]

Reading this article after looking at the bug list is peak comedy

[shadow snow]

true they kinda fit that

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-6037055492951935036

No Bugs in rogue class

[shadow snow]

sent them the excel

[wintry dock]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-spongebob-depressed-spongebob-head-in-hands-spongebob-react-gif-2112710549962906415

[vale pine]

I think its a diffrent problem

class bugs existed always

like subtlety was not as vocal about it

but most of the time had a huge list of bugs

so bugs are just part of the gameplay experience, they suck, but most are not that bad

however, midnight has people upset because of the enviromental and direction changes

e.g. the addon economy was fairly stable, you had a certain set of addons with fixed functionality you can use for years without update (more or less)

midnitght now breaks addon compatibility every patch, and sometimes in between

weather thats for a good reason or not, does not matter for the player

what matters is your gameplay experience

and having addons break all the time when the addon change was made to make the system simpler, is a big turn off

this just adds on top of other problems

[haughty heart]

I mean there are bugs that break your gameplay, the shadow cost of 30 energy when using shadowblades, the premed clone bug, the unseen blade reseting when cloud is over when it should stay 10 seconds... idk, i think they somehow makes me wanna cry sometimes

[vale pine]

server instability, more gating/slower pacing, a lot of instabiltiy/bugs during content release, etc

[hazy breach]

Arguably the stacks should just instantly be removed once cloud cover fades, so the bug is really that the stacks linger after the effect ends

[vale pine]

it just adds up, and is why people are more upset now

[haughty heart]

And all of this, wasting 14 euro/month and 50 per expa

[wanton mantle]

I will say the stat change, loot bugs, and rotation bugs really felt like a kick in the balls made me not wanna play alot. I could be playing perfectly and still getting shit on by demo locks lol

[vale pine]

because the gameplay experience degrated compared to previouse expensions

[manic salmon]

just make the stacks have an independent duration

and once the cloud ends only 1 stack gets refreshed out of the 3 applied

[sick epoch]

so from what I read, if we prefer using premed is only around 0.5% but we would use the talents we were using before with the cloud cover? or...

[swift tinsel]

this is how I expected it to work tbh

[hazy breach]

No, you would always use the new talents

[swift tinsel]

once the 20 sec of cloud buff + persisting buff is over the stacks just drop to 1

[sick epoch]

so how can u use premed with the same talents? the row is changed right?

i'm probably wrong

[dusky yacht]

Read everything you said by the way, just don't really know how to respond, I just wanna have a comfy patch where nothing goes wrong and I got buffed and now I can compete on the dps meters and look cool with my daggers

[sour horizon]

Classic is still around xD

[vale pine]

haha think thats exactly what people ask for

[sick epoch]

I mean what would I change premed for on m+ talents?

[hazy breach]

If only the ping you tagged me in explicitly explained in detail what each talent swap does

[vale pine]

you can move finality around

[hazy breach]

No, you would swap the 8% healing taken talent into premed

[sick epoch]

damn... u're right

i'm slow 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

premed isnt even that useful in keys

since you can just build with storm

[manic salmon]

it feels weird not playing with premed

the ol' reliable

you just always assumed it's there

[haughty heart]

Yep

Id only use it in raid tbh

[crystal bone]

^

8% increased healing received, my healer loves me already

[sacred magnet]

In Vaelgor & Ezzorak is BP our finisher?

[vale pine]

think warning sign has a higher impact than premed

[shrewd lantern]

if you talented in pp

[vale pine]

in terms of feel

[haughty heart]

Only if youre talented on powered powder

[halcyon pendant]

#subtlety-faq message

[meager canopy]

I find that playing without the premeditation talent makes the gameplay more annoying.

[wanton mantle]

I played lura all last night no pre med and barely noticed after 6 or 7 pulls. Just get the combo points n blast

[shadow snow]

how?

[haughty heart]

Probably vanishing

[wanton mantle]

Nope just ss and backstab to 7. I hit my buttons got combo points n blasted.

[shadow snow]

vanish does not do much.

[swift tinsel]

only gives you 30 energy and an extra combo point

[fiery fog]

Is myth chima group 1 or 2 better? Does anyone know?

[dusky yacht]

The sim says SS vanish SS backstab and I'm doing that for max pretending to be doing something feels

[swift tinsel]

at a time when you want extra energy and combo points

[fiery fog]

Always have been group 1

[somber sun]

Once the 800 haste point is reached and got guidon, is it just better to recraft some items to cc/mastery ( to get rid of the 100 extra )?

[wanton mantle]

My brain pry just wired differently cuz i didnt mind playing with box after the first few days so shrug. Stop thinking so much about it and hit ur buttons.

[dusky yacht]

Yeah you want around 700~ haste with guidon

So basically you are free to drop 100 if you have 800

[grave parcel]

Are we still stacking mastery for M+?

[dusky yacht]

Roughly

[dreamy inlet]

just recraft/craft haste/crit to also be more comfy with assa/ol xd

[wanton mantle]

I was looking into this last night but its hard cuz only 2 days of keys since patch. What i saw was it varies alot some people still had old talents and mastery. Others had new talents and mastery or new talent n Much more even stats

[somber sun]

mastery not really that worth there ?

id guess so ngl, I just want damage for st

[karmic harbor]

you might just get lucky tho

[steel zinc]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[karmic harbor]

but i am also going for my 2nd pit, whatever we ball

[dusky yacht]

What I wanna know is why tf is smokescreen green smoke

[warm marlin]

after HOW many pulls?

[grave parcel]

i just dont see what would change us from stacking mastery in M+

[karmic harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[hazy breach]

Nothing, people have just gaslit themselves into thinking we must go 10000 crit now and ignore mastery

[karmic harbor]

yeah who'd do that lo

[dusky yacht]

I'm gonna go for more of a balance with a lean towards crit

[vale pine]

[wanton mantle]

Crits just really good with the new talents and crit typically scaled well with more mobs. Im thinking there is some sweet spot between the 3 stats around 850 to 950 crit 700 haste and 650 to 750 mastery. Then for big keys u have good ST and Aoe.

[karmic harbor]

just from today?

[vale pine]

yes

[karmic harbor]

fml

[hazy breach]

Both rolls today?

[fiery fog]

They also said you can still get the same item if you got it before the fix

[vale pine]

ill ask

[karmic harbor]

god fucking damn it

[vale pine]

its a guildie

[karmic harbor]

whether i enter here is up to you fuu

[dusky yacht]

Bro wtf ..

[wintry heart]

Yeah because it wasn’t retroactive right or did they get the same item twice after the post

[hollow spear]

That's why I'm at 4/6 in the quest, to protect myself from blizzard

[karmic harbor]

i aready used a roll

[vale pine]

ill see what my guildie response is

[wintry heart]

Oh sorry fuu like 8 people asked my bad

[karmic harbor]

today

[wanton mantle]

Yeah people are skipping over the non retrospective part

[karmic harbor]

i hope that's the case

[swift tinsel]

ye the blue post does make it sound like going forward you won't get duplicate rolls but nothing about it being retroactive

[lilac stag]

I wouldn’t call belt and bracer lucky but not a duplicate.

[tall bloom]

warning signs or planned execution for M+

[vale pine]

both is fine

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave everyone an extra roll

[vale pine]

i prefere pe in general

[wanton mantle]

Probably whats gonna happen

[swift tinsel]

its a low-effort fix so its on brand

[grave parcel]

Pretty much what i was thinking i could see in raid but in M+ it wasn't making much sense to me, even on my dummy testing crit doesn't seem to compete with mastery

[swift tinsel]

and idk how they'd go about looking at every single instance of people who got a duplicate item

so just giving everyone an additional roll is an easy answer

[spice matrix]

sim yourself boys, don't stress yourselves out

[wintry heart]

Why would I do that when I can just ask in here

[vale pine]

mythic+ goes mastery heavy

[swift tinsel]

or something like if you currently have less than 2 or 3 you get 1 so you get up to 2 max

[wanton mantle]

I think for bigger keys the stats really even out cuz ST just matters more we dont want bosses lasting 10 minutes.

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

since it only affects people who have spent at least 2

[somber sun]

is there a way to know my general stats after simming ? ( % mastery,haste, etc...)

[vale pine]

single target is crit heavy

so both is good

can't go wrong

[dreamy inlet]

well if u want to play all 3 specs favoring crit instead of mastery is legit. And crit is great for st anyway

[lilac stag]

They’re listed in the html report

[vale pine]

(don't overthink it)

[wanton mantle]

Im not saying going full crit for m+ is the play but playing a proficient in all master of none kinda way

[vale pine]

the dungeon profile

kinda "mastery!!"

[grave parcel]

The only issue i see with that chart is it seems to me like puzzlebox is much better in M+ so would have to have more mastery

errn more haste**

[ember frost]

how are ppl doing it so that sectech is the most dmg ability in single target is it just random or am i missing something

[hazy breach]

The more mastery you have the worse puzzlebox is

[grave parcel]

Hmmmm

[hazy breach]

Because you hit diminishing returns really really hard when using secondary pot

[wanton mantle]

I can't get box to sim higher then feather in dslice

[grave parcel]

Yea thats why i figured if ur using puzzle box its better to use mainstat pot

[hazy breach]

Yeah, but using guidon and secondary is even better

[grave parcel]

heard that i will take your word for it thank you for the insight

i jsut swapped to puzzlebox for the patch

[vale pine]

guidon is also better on the st parts of dungeons

[grave parcel]

just trying to test things

[vale pine]

and lines up well (is less annoying to use)

[grave parcel]

yeah puzzlebox feels bad on bosses

[somber sun]

solarprism/guidon possible ?

[vale pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1035163024480276640/1495101632759730388/puzzle_box_1.gif

[wanton mantle]

If only i would have seen more than 1 guidon in all these weeks

[swift tinsel]

I meme about going 100% into crit but it does seem like with CC you really want a rather large amount bc the variance is quite noticable in blades

[hazy breach]

If you really want to aoemaxx you should have 2x mastery enchants on your weapon too

[vale pine]

^ me with cloud cover and mythic guidon

[hazy breach]

Not sure thats worth it for overall though

[grave parcel]

im currently using 1 main stat 1 mastery

[scenic relic]

Oh god is outlaw better at everything again

[fiery fog]

??

[faint hemlock]

Anyone tried to recraft yet?

[cloud rover]

"again" is a strong word

[vale pine]

i am still waiting for a response in my guild chat

i haven't bonus rolled at all

[gilded ferry]

again? it hasnt been since 2017

[fiery fog]

And its only vanguard mostly

[shrewd lantern]

it was better in voti

[wintry heart]

Definitely not better for my wrists

[swift tinsel]

I rolled on pit and got legs so I'm still relatively safe there bc of the other good options

[vale pine]

many did without issues, but don't know if recrafting is fixed

[scenic relic]

It sims higher on fuus spreadsheet for everything, no?

[swift tinsel]

and if I get legs again its w/e

[wanton mantle]

This is why i said reading is harddddd

[swift tinsel]

bc by the time I roll there again I'll have 2-3 rolls to burn

[wintry heart]

I got the belt and I know for a fact I’m getting that shit again

[shrewd lantern]

[gilded ferry]

i guess nathria outlaw performed well too

[shrewd lantern]

i have a mythic belt i dont have the crests to send on it

[vale pine]

outlaw is good ye

if you like it, play it

[cloud rover]

Sims are not actual gameplay

[scenic relic]

Noooooo

[swift tinsel]

I might play outlaw on reclears

[shrewd lantern]

actually i have 4 mythic items i cant send crests on rn

[vale pine]

but you don't need to play it

[warm marlin]

if i get a usable vault im so deep in the hole man

[vale pine]

it still is less flexible

and has a worse damage profile

[warm marlin]

bonus roll adding random 80 crests to my costs was not expected

[scenic relic]

Just a higher dps max in a sim I suppose

[shrewd lantern]

i got salad neck

[swift tinsel]

I also need to start meaningfully gearing my aug

[shrewd lantern]

and still 2 tier pieces wasnt worth sending on yet

[scenic relic]

M+ sim is pretty significant though

[swift tinsel]

but I just really don't wanna play rn with the state of the patch

and game in general

[gaunt knoll]

Is the emblishment on a Myth crafted dagger worth the few ilevels over a fully upgraded myth track dagger?

[warm marlin]

20 on gaze, 20 on boots, 80 on outlaw weapon, probably get something usable from bonus rolling pit next week and maybe vault too

we are so so deep in debt

[shrewd lantern]

i havent sent my helm i pulled from last weeks vault yet

apparently its not as big a gain since my hero helm has a socket

[warm marlin]

ye socket is good

[cloud rover]

Yeah thats why getting myth items via bonusroll isnt such a crazy game changing thing

because we are capped so much by crests

it literally doesnt matter

[shrewd lantern]

also cant wear a mythic belt since its only 276 no socket

[warm marlin]

its extra crazy because i never sent my crafts to myth because the slots were so bad

held it in case i got a myth dagger before we hit anything hard in prog

so i have 160 more than i should normally

[shrewd lantern]

why do i just end a week

with 10 extra

idk how to get rid of

[finite hedge]

30 uncapped

[warm marlin]

ye plus the stuff over cap from nullaeus and cracked keystone

[wintry heart]

Imagine looting a myth dagger

[finite hedge]

from delve boss

[shrewd lantern]

oh right

[grave parcel]

are these stats with flask of t he magister?

[warm marlin]

had to take it from key vault over 279 shoulders or something

was a bit sad at the time

[hollow spear]

Outlaw weapon 🤨

[hazy breach]

Them giving us 50 extra crests is a bit devious

Shouldve been 40 or 60

[warm marlin]

ye

[warm marlin]

i am pirate man for lura

[crystal bone]

dont take the outlaw bait!

[vale pine]

crit flask iirc

[warm marlin]

in this case, exile said sub was terrible timings with the higher ilvl we have now

and i kinda wanted to play outlaw

[vale pine]

but the stats are from gear

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you saw ethical's log

he didnt blow his load until 10s in

[warm marlin]

ye he did blast a bit

[shrewd lantern]

[fiery fog]

I hope beloren drops a dagger when we kill it

[grave parcel]

current stats with flask of magister, only ilvl 275 im assuming is why im not reaching those same stats

[shrewd lantern]

ngl sub does feel terrible when fight timers dont align

[cloud rover]

Pretty sure the 30 you got from nulleaus, were made before they change crest costs from 15 to 20

[warm marlin]

anything to avoid assa

plus it seems good idk

[swift tinsel]

I'm hoping I don't have to do memory game addon+callouts when we're back to lura so I can actually game

[warm marlin]

st is kinda crazy

[swift tinsel]

ret paladin RL took a menty b on tuesday

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think we've seen a salhadaar fist

[fiery fog]

Thats just every burst class

[cloud rover]

Try being Rogue

[swift tinsel]

that was me on tuesday lol

[cloud rover]

Oh i read it as you were Ret pala RL

I do RL since undermine as rogue now

[swift tinsel]

and not everyone had the addon so I was sorting and calling symbols and timers

[shrewd lantern]

i havent fucked around with new rtb yet

[cloud rover]

Cant focus on your rotation at all

[shrewd lantern]

supposedly its braindead easy

[swift tinsel]

which was kind of a meme bc all abilities were jumbled

idk how that fight got so scuffed

Like I don't mind doing callouts and whatnot if needed but was just extra stressful when the ability timeline said crystals were spawning and we got beams instead

or just not getting crystals at all before intermission

[cloud rover]

Yeah i mean they fucked stuff up

[shrewd lantern]

waiting for the inevitable assa aura buff

[swift tinsel]

legit could not get any kind of rhythm going

[cloud rover]

But thats how it goes at the beginning of an content too

[shrewd lantern]

and people to say assa scales better

like they do every tier

big fan of implacable tracking breaking every other set

[manic salmon]

why would you do that

its tank and healers

[manic salmon]

just do a lil bit of mental load and count every envenom

[shrewd lantern]

thats what i do

its great on paladins to feel like you're blasting

then look at details

"oh"

[cloud rover]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

no one else stepped up

[karmic harbor]

we're so back

just 2 rolls used

[cloud rover]

We play with placing markers

So we didnt get fucked by addon

[manic salmon]

i'd love to roll for that dagger

but i already have beloren and vorasius dagger

i cant believe we wiped 73 times last night to lura that cannot be possible

that's so many for less than 4 hours

[sharp sapphire]

hunter weapon

[shrewd lantern]

hunter weapon meme is true

[scenic relic]

In WH guide it says to use shadow dance twice on your opener if you have 2 charges but the opener section of the guide only has 1 use in the image. I'm assuming that you just continue with SS > Evisc for the duration of the second dance

[shrewd lantern]

since dagger sv is a real thing

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[scenic relic]

My king

[limber ore]

Is the shadowblades trickster bug fixed yet?

[worthy shale]

No

[limber ore]

Lovely

[scenic relic]

Last question, should there ever be a time where you use ST without dance? How long should I keep ST off cooldown to use it with dance? Or should I just be better and always have a dance charge

[hazy breach]

You should hold dances to use when secret technique comes of cooldown

Not the other way around

[scenic relic]

Right, so if ST comes off cd and I don't have a dance charge then I'm just playing bad

[frail path]

I think the only times I've used natty SecTech is at the end of dungeon boss before shadow dance comes off of CD, and there is travel time after. First boss Maisara, for example

[hazy breach]

If you have reasonable haste (aka similar to whats recommended) every dance and sectech should be lined up well

If you have very low or insanely high haste you might need to hold a bit more

[scenic relic]

Cool, ty

[hollow spear]

How much of a dps gain is it to supercharge your Kidney Shot?

[hazy breach]

You cant

[plush roost]

It doesnt eat charger

Unlacky

[crystal bone]

-0.8%

[hazy breach]

Kidney also only consumes 5 cp

[hollow spear]

I am joking, pls don't hate

[wise peak]

Gonna swap my build around and try Cloud Cover today

[plush roost]

When do i get 10cp kidney shots...

[hollow spear]

Not sure if it was Bingus or Fimbul who pulled that one out

[crystal bone]

im actually a kidney shot fan this season

like last boss of skyreach

[plush roost]

Id like kidney more if my teammates didnt insta legsweep

And put stun DR on

[hollow spear]

Nothing worse than a dr'ed kidney

[swift tinsel]

nah it'd be too nice to have an 8 second stun

[crystal bone]

just gotta be quick

blind them with our new smoke bomb

[plush roost]

Also i did a 19 magisters and i can say without a doubt sub is the defacto worst m+ spec now

Gg

[swift tinsel]

[crystal bone]

yea but the ST goes hard at least

right

[plush roost]

Eh

Almost every boss has funnel nowadays

[crystal bone]

at least in 12's it does

[graceful osprey]

Tell me the truth…is it over?

[crystal bone]

i havent been pushing, just vault keys

[plush roost]

I will try 200 haste puzzlebox sub some time and pray tha5s the secret

[alpine wraith]

big chinese tech

believe in the dino mantra

[dry flame]

How so? (I've been playing Assa and yesterday my first 2 outlaw keys)

[wise peak]

I have a puzzle box sitting in my inventory

I don't want to equip it

[west bluff]

is this chart making any sense? thought the changes were a huge buff? anything bugged besides the 30 energy in SB?

[wise peak]

You can't make me

[vale osprey]

Ah the china pad strat

[crystal bone]

have u tried outlaw yet

[hazy breach]

Doing any comparisons after 1 day when most people havent even raided yet is very silly

[plush roost]

U play cloud cover and u do no damage outside of blades, u play scruples and u do no damage.

[graceful osprey]

Holy MM hunters, it’s so over

[vale osprey]

Read the context at the bottom - this is someone doing shit data comparison that would make any data analyst throw up in their mouth

[plush roost]

Powerful but ass to play

[lyric ibex]

thought about this as well, just enough haste to have 20 sec sectec cooldown and fully invest in crit/mastery

[west bluff]

Yeah agreed, just wondering if i was missing something

[vale osprey]

Day 1 WCL data (for the people looking at that) is incredibly stupid

[plush roost]

Maybr 30 energy cost AR being fixed will be better

[dry flame]

Tbf, MT is also such a nice Assa dungeon

[swift tinsel]

if KS wasn't doodoo it would feel way better plus extra energy cost on AR

[lethal gale]

is there a better alternative for weapon oils if im already at 700 haste?

[west bluff]

opener is dogshit with backstabs + 30 energy for SB but otherwise i feel damage improved as well

[warm marlin]

im not entirely sure why but i really didnt feel like i was doing 20% more burst

on st yes but aoe idk

[plush roost]

I think its just a product of storm being a meh button

So cloud covers 150% crit dam

[thin sinew]

Good old feelcraft the ever reliable metric

[plush roost]

Is w.e

[swift tinsel]

Im just purely using strike unless its a giga pull

[plush roost]

While outlaw gets omega value

[warm marlin]

you still get the 16% from the fazed stacks

[dry flame]

Yeah, I had a very awkward time on OL yesterday.

Haven't played it in a while (like first weeks of DF before sub became meta).

But, even so, I've played it before, and it never felt that awkward. No WAs doesn't help either

[plush roost]

Its not enough imo

[swift tinsel]

revertttttt nimble chaaaaaange

[warm marlin]

the crit variance is also sickening

[swift tinsel]

so strike cleeeeaves againnnnnn

[plush roost]

Id rather 10% finisher crit chance at that point

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you could have played all of df s1 as outlaw

besides AA

that place was ass for outlaw

love target cap!

[swift tinsel]

yeah my memeing about wanting omega crit for CC feels less meme

[plush roost]

Maybe theres a cook

[alpine wraith]

aoe is a bit weird because not every amp and things work with fazed

[plush roost]

With tornado

[swift tinsel]

after feeling out the variance

[plush roost]

Dark brew

[shrewd lantern]

[plush roost]

No danse

[swift tinsel]

idk make strike cleave in blades

[plush roost]

No st all pad

[forest moss]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700) > Critical Strike = Mastery > Versatility`

[manic salmon]

ill do that on lura today

[swift tinsel]

then you still have a reason to press storm in dance outside blades since they want us to cast it

[manic salmon]

ty charrens

[plush roost]

Wait actually...

[hazy breach]

Which does not buff the shuriken storm clones

[brisk onyx]

cooked!

[plush roost]

Nvm gg

[manic salmon]

noob

[hazy breach]

It doesnt buff strike or backstab clones either

Because why would it

[manic salmon]

yeah

why would our spec work

[finite hedge]

But does it buff gloomblade?

massive

[plush roost]

I was on some turbo shuriken storm 30% overall damage cook

And its been ruined

Gg

[hazy breach]

Yes

[finite hedge]

Damn what a joke of a capstone. Seems like it might be kinda good if it buffed clones?

[graceful portal]

Guys is the haste cap 700 precisely? I have 699 ...

[ashen warren]

Wait they do not count anymore the paddle in p1 in crown for logs

They = wlog

[finite hedge]

the paddle?

[manic salmon]

they them

[ashen warren]

The little adds

[finite hedge]

THe crystals?

those have to die why woudl they not count them

[ashen warren]

Like I had a 95 in preview that became a 36

[graceful rock]

Do they even matter? The adds damage amp is all the damage

[hazy breach]

No, around 700 is fine

[finite hedge]

or do you mean the matrices

which they shouldnt

[ashen warren]

I’m talking about crown

Not L’ura

[finite hedge]

oh...lmao

got it

yeah

[hazy breach]

They just forgot to include all the clones from the physical builders

But dark brew is actually not bad. Its just placed awkwardly

[short radish]

damn who could hvae seen this coming with clones having issues

it's not like there's been issues with sub clones ever since sectech

no way tthey could have seen this coming

[alpine wraith]

yea for some reason they decided to nerf finality

[olive canyon]

im just doing 17 and starting 18s - sub is doing ok for now

[alpine wraith]

as if it was super strong

[olive canyon]

but im messing with guidon rather than box

[crystal bone]

box is bait in keys

seems good on paper but u probably don't get the most optimal usage with it

[alpine wraith]

would need to get good routes focusing on it and pulling onto bosses

guidon works every time

[merry agate]

300% dmg buff to goremaw or riot

[honest void]

goremaw should burn

[alpine wraith]

believe or not goremaw used to have almost a 900% ap multiplier

[honest void]

in the pits of Argus

[alpine wraith]

and this one is 300% for some reason

[merry agate]

While were talkin bout shitty capstones

[short radish]

idk i have some weird cope with pbox in keys

maybe its stockholm syndrome

but you don't always get to cast sblade on cd

[honest void]

pbox is great till u gotta send shit

[short radish]

so sometimes it aligns

[honest void]

and then u sit there fiddling with the box like an idiot

also never forget the trinket got nerfed for Unholy's sins

[eager latch]

pbox is now simming lower than guidon in keys for me

:/

[honest void]

good

[short radish]

i dont believe in sims anymore

i just believe in feelycraft

and pbox make big burst

[neon frigate]

Is sub rogue A tier now?

[short radish]

make me feel good

[crystal bone]

i had to fiddle with the box only to move out of a mechanic and cancel it to fiddle with the box again, i about ended it right there

[winter current]

been A tier

[honest void]

it's in a tier

[short radish]

sub rogue is S tier

[hazy breach]

Thats true, but sometimes you do. So sometimes you end up casting blades when pbox has 30s left, and then you hold the next blades for a bit as the pack is just about dead. So you end up with like 3.5-4 minutes inbetween your pbox casts

[honest void]

the tier is whatever u want it to be

[exotic steeple]

ass tier

[hazy breach]

Which is cringo

[neon frigate]

Hahaha

[short radish]

yeah 100%

ive done like

one key with guidon

so its probably stockholm syndrome

[crystal bone]

guidon also feels so good on bosses

[short radish]

if only we could swap trinkets out in keys

[sullen hare]

What is everyone switching to?

[honest void]

that would kinda take m+ even more to sweatlord lvl

[hazy breach]

While not as much of a downer as charend about the spec, i do think there are better options from the other specs if you want to push higher as rogue

[sullen hare]

My guild wants a warrior so I'm considering arms

[swift tinsel]

aug, raid was asking if I'd want to switch

[short radish]

brother i've done triple mage spec halls of valor before.

as in one mage 3 specs

[neon frigate]

Quick question why do people not take the first dance anymore few more sec shadow dance?

[short radish]

sometimes you sweat just for the love of the game

[hazy breach]

You can if you want to, but if youre not proccing it consistently veiltouched ends up better

[honest void]

yeah but that's for the love of the game

[sullen hare]

I was also considering Aug but I have more experience with warrior DPS

[swift tinsel]

it would also allow me to flex heals if needed which was the role I initially joined the guild as so I wouldn't be mad about that lol

[short radish]

a monkey could play aug

honestly. monkeys probably do play aug

[wintry heart]

This is disrespectful to monkeys

[short radish]

true

[swift tinsel]

aug in raid is quite fun now that it does its own damage

[crystal bone]

🐒

how dare u

[swift tinsel]

tbf a monkey could play pretty much any dps spec

[sullen hare]

I have an Aug and it seems pretty straightforward to keep the buff going for a very long time

[cloud rover]

Are you the game? Because i love you

[hazy breach]

@plush roost Good thing they nerfed BP and Nimble by 25% after m0 right?

[warm marlin]

man crazy how hard strike cleave with nimble would go with 150% crit damage

really makes you think

[sullen hare]

Poking the bear. I like it

[honest void]

it's been so long since I gazed upon you. Are you real? Don't give me false hope

[swift tinsel]

they knew this was coming and wanted to keep us from experiencing fun

also crit dmg doesnt nimble

huehue

[warm marlin]

ah yes

i forgor

[alpine wraith]

we were destroying those 7 second pulls

[sullen hare]

They knew this was coming because it's past of a systematic scientific test to show that you can actually break hearts

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile devourer

[placid coral]

So on opener without premed we are backstabbing until 7 cp then blades or are we waiting to blades until 5 secrets

[alpine wraith]

you get to 7

then wait until 60 energy

then send cds

[hazy breach]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[wintry heart]

How is premed vs non premed in keys

[swift tinsel]

storm makes up for premed

since you get so many more cp per cast and you can carry cp/sht into bosses or pulls

[alpine wraith]

yea no more using leftover cps for snd

that one is banned now

[swift tinsel]

I still need to break that habit lol

[alpine wraith]

it will take a lot for me to break that one

[blissful basin]

hey guys, is one Adamantite Sharpening Stone on Mainhand Dagger atm way to go or only Oil?

[fiery fog]

do you guys think its worth to not send any finishers ~20 seconds before phasing in beloren?
just get some superchargers and do some more egg dmg?

[sullen hare]

Same. Also this chugging backstabs to get to 7 points is pretty unforgivable. This feels gross and I hate that our entire rotation has become bug workarounds

[tiny jetty]

How big a dmg decrease is premed now?

thank you

[wise peak]

I'm going to try and keep premed

[sullen hare]

I'm pretty sure being a chill guy with a whole rack of supercharged combo points is the entire idea but someone please correct if wrong

[wise peak]

I think I'm too addicted to the point generation

[fiery fog]

logged kills dont do it

idk

[sullen hare]

Oh IDK then

[alpine wraith]

it is not more overall damage

but more egg damage

[warm marlin]

are you having trouble killing eggs or phasing the boss

[alpine wraith]

so top logs wont do it

also iirc if boss gest to second egg it dies

so people just send normally on second p1

go do some m+ you mean sit in silvermoon getting declined

or listing your key and no one joining

[hazy breach]

I mean the 30 energy on SB is insanely whatever as sub

[fiery fog]

top logs as in the 11 logged kill on this patch

[hazy breach]

Genuinely doesnt matter besides the opener

Theres a lot more egregious bugs

[alpine wraith]

yea because why would you tbh the dmg increase is not that big

[warm marlin]

i dropped the devious 0 parse (including 12.0 logs) but i did giga burn damage

[alpine wraith]

but here you see big egger

[hazy breach]

I mean sure, they could fix any of the other bugs too

Which have a larger impact as we arent passively playing around them

[alpine wraith]

dont ask too fast maybe they fix the bad DS bugs and buff it again

and it becomes better in m+

[blissful basin]

?

[graceful rock]

They really need to make the boss damage parse for beloren be egg damage

[timid rose]

but i can hear my stealth sounds now

[karmic harbor]

ok guys, I need a real way to sim sub

im too stupid to figure this out

[swift tinsel]

ngl seeing the stealth sound fix in a list of bugfixes that affect gameplay was maddening

[hazy breach]

What is this supposed to mean

[warm marlin]

idk it was very funny fight

i walk around doing mechanics and stacking sc

cast a sectec on some lil eggs every now and then

afk

[timid rose]

i think it was a racism

[graceful rock]

Throw a couple slices in there to keep auto attack speed up

[lilac stag]

It’s called racism

[warm marlin]

what does the 88 in your profile picture mean mate

[vale pine]

alright, my guildie answered

[lilac stag]

I doubt it’s to support Eric lindros

[vale pine]

he had a roll yesterday

so falls into the area of uncertenty

so we still don't know if its fixed or not ^^

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

bros popping vanish

[finite hedge]

Doing think that's uncertainty. They specifically said new rolls only

[vale pine]

yep

[warm marlin]

interesting question to dodge

[vale pine]

but we still don't know if the fix worked

we just confirmed that this dublicat disqualifies

i would assume its fixed tho, if there is an official post

[lilac stag]

Where have I heard this before.

[vale pine]

haha

[short radish]

idk im still not trusting blizzard

[vale pine]

i mean

[short radish]

waiting until weekend to bonus roll m+

[vale pine]

the recraft bug was supposed to be fixed too

and returned

[ripe flame]

Popped all defensives and dropped aggro

[fiery fog]

is the recraft bug still there?

[stuck arrow]

Idk if aggro dodged lol.

[tepid raven]

I recrafted twice yesterday was fine

[spice island]

Maaaaaaan I wish I didn't look this shit up, playing without premed feels so bad

[fiery fog]

i mean what are the odds

[tepid raven]

I mean you were never guaranteed to get 2

[fiery fog]

youre more likely to get 2 different items

[tepid raven]

It was just possibly unlucky

I heard a rumour it’s if you upgrade one of them

Then it adds it back to the pool

But dunno if actually true

[spice island]

Wouldn't surprise me

Liking the damage profile though, my parse on Crown was nuts last night

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[honest void]

i heard if u catalyst also

or do a different key level

throw a dart and any could be true tbh

[stuck arrow]

Yeah I feel good about the changes.

I think they a step in the right direction - reward good planning and smart play.

I'd like more of that tbh.

[wintry heart]

I really need hero crests but farming 8+’s sounds so bad

[tepid raven]

This would make sense if it’s something to do with changing the ID in your bag

[stuck arrow]

I do think if you Zug Zug it too hard old talents probably better.

[tepid raven]

Like if it scans for the ID of the item already being there

[spice island]

Oh yeah 100%, I think the positioning minigame is fun

[swift tinsel]

yea, and the frustrating part is the only way to find out is if people get screwed

[tepid raven]

And you alter it somehow it could break it

[spice island]

Why did my parse go from 91 after the fight to 22 this morning :(

[tepid raven]

More kills

Should check the rankings tab too

[lilac stag]

250 rogues killed it after you and demolished you

[spice island]

But I just beat it last night!

[tepid raven]

Because you might have only compared to people in the first night

[finite hedge]

Removed add dmg little guys

[tepid raven]

Rankings compares to everything

[honest void]

yeah that seems the most probable

[vocal rock]

So is it true cloud cover reducing visibility is ruining keys for people?

[winter current]

only if you pop it in bad spots

[lilac stag]

so basically always

[vocal rock]

Lmao sick

[timid rose]

"ruining" is subjective 🙂

[tepid raven]

I mean ruining the keys is maybe a stretch but ye it’s visible for everyone and covers mechanics

[stuck arrow]

I don't think it's that bad tbh

[fiery fog]

its a bit too much

ngl

[manic salmon]

cloud cover on my first 3 lura pulls was funny my ass was NOT seeing those glaives

[lilac stag]

oh it fully covers some shit in pit

[spice island]

Wait is CC making it harder for allies to see shit?

[tepid raven]

It doesn’t get better

[honest void]

does cloud cover make me not see shit? yes

[vocal rock]

Yea

[honest void]

but so do DHs and their darkness

[tepid raven]

Visibility was never a strong part of the fight

[honest void]

so now I can be the visibility terrorist

[manic salmon]

it gets better when i swap to assa

[spice island]

Oh damn, hardly noticed ig, I play on lowest settings lol

[lilac stag]

imagine a DH pressing darkness

[tepid raven]

I think it’s worse for swirlies on the floor though tbh

[honest void]

happens to much for it to be in my imagination no more

[tepid raven]

You don’t really cloud cover when glaives are going out any time either

[lilac stag]

The vertical spell effect is certainly something.

[warm marlin]

popping it every 30s with AR is gonna be a trip

[south robin]

Not possible for other players to toggle this effect off?

[honest void]

lol

lmao

no

[tepid raven]

It honestly didn’t feel bad

I think the worst part is just when beams are out and you have to move

[lilac stag]

rogue: we’d like some fun visuals
bliz: enjoy inting your keys and making LFG invites harder

[tepid raven]

But even that wasn’t that bad

It was only if you hit it AS beams spawn

[warm marlin]

the hardest part seems to be dropping the cloud in a good spot tbh

[keen dome]

Have they made Shadow Blades cast without energy yet?

[tepid raven]

Cuz you can kinda just stand in it for most of the beam

[warm marlin]

we only made it a minute in at best

[lilac stag]

I’m waiting to get asked are you assa

[warm marlin]

but the wind chime is kinda running around

[keen dome]

sad...

[wanton mantle]

Say yes lol run sub anyway

[lilac stag]

Don’t be delulu

it’s not getting fixed

[swift tinsel]

its probs not getting fixed for at least a few months if at all

[keen dome]

I spent my afternoon fighting a computer so I was hopeful the good computer would be better

But alas. Maybe in 12.1

[lilac stag]

they’ll just nerf it so we don’t play it

[manic salmon]

its not supposed to be

[fiery fog]

that new talent build really likes crit in ST holy

[manic salmon]

not unless you're about to run with beams

[warm marlin]

i was referring to beams yes

[manic salmon]

ah well ye then

[warm marlin]

seems like second ar comes up around that time a lot

[manic salmon]

outside of that its pretty still

ill just go ass for prog

[lilac stag]

You know what doesn’t come up then? Blades

[warm marlin]

I already race changed scath

i am committed now

[manic salmon]

blades doesnt come up for anything important

[warm marlin]

my beautiful 289 alleria legs have been catalysed

[lilac stag]

dw femdorf still good for sub

[stable marlin]

Is there anything special we are doing for Beloran to squeeze out more damage in egg phase? About to start prog tonight and want to be prepped as well as I can

[lilac stag]

save many SC going into egg

all the shadow strikes

None of the finishers.

[warm marlin]

you can fully stack superchargers over the fight and stack 14 sht and coup and snd and everything if your raid can handle phasing the boss correctly and killing eggs

[plain gale]

Guys, I'm gonna ask a stupid question. If I'm seeing a much larger representation of outlaw over sub on higher keys (>15/16) is that because sub is not that good once the keys get harder (damage profile and so on) or is it just because of the top rogue players preference/recent big buff?

[stable marlin]

So we just stop using finishers for what a minute?

Wild but I’ll give it a go lol

[manic salmon]

no way you do that

HAHAH

[warm marlin]

ye

im in first soak so i actually stop casting finishers after the first dance of the fight

[manic salmon]

oh man

[warm marlin]

lets me sectec first egg set and sectec coup second and still have them all for burn

[manic salmon]

i was in 1st soak so i popped blades after soak

[lilac stag]

This is what they meant by adjusting your cd usage with sub 12.0 rework.

[manic salmon]

and it was fine

[ripe flame]

I'm following your footsteps of fully afking after a while in p1

[manic salmon]

but this... is next level

[tepid raven]

I found it was often coming up during that downstairs but you can normally sit in it for most of the duration

[warm marlin]

i dropped the incredible 0 parse but we killed on our literal first time hitting second egg

[manic salmon]

Yep

same here

[cloud rover]

I am real my love

[warm marlin]

with like 0.4s to spare

[manic salmon]

well, they did ask me to play assa when we killed it last week

[warm marlin]

my sc stacking prob makes the difference

[manic salmon]

whats the dps on egg like

[tepid raven]

I beat Nibren he saved me from 0

[manic salmon]

about 300k?

[warm marlin]

i did 290-300k every pull

[tepid raven]

Literally 100k more than what I did on our kill

[warm marlin]

except kill ofc where i didnt proc gaze on either burn and lowrolled crits

[ripe flame]

Are you boxing?

[manic salmon]

ye unluck

[warm marlin]

so only did 250/210

[ripe flame]

Or guidon?

[warm marlin]

ye guidon gaze

[tepid raven]

Was the 2 on use not worth after the CC change?

[manic salmon]

why would you want 2 on use

[warm marlin]

it simmed worse after yes

[lilac stag]

pump the egg

[honest void]

[tepid raven]

Ryldd had a cook before it was better for egg

[manic salmon]

you'd think gaze would be more worth than double on use

[tepid raven]

So made sense to me

[manic salmon]

i guess not

[warm marlin]

it was ahead 3k dps on first egg and behind 3k on second egg

[hazy breach]

Before he had 2x finality so more superchargers was really good, now its rotten which doesnt care about supercharger

[warm marlin]

compared to M gaze

ironically i would have been better off with it on kill seeing as my gaze decided not to proc

but oh well

[tepid raven]

Fair

[hazy breach]

I looked over some of the sims and its like, fairly similar burst numbers as last patch when he did all the janky prep

[manic salmon]

i was on assa duty last week, it was subpar on the 1st burn but i did do about 230k on the second burn so yeah

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic salmon]

but it felt really bad to play ass on beloren

[hazy breach]

But now you just do that normally and do way more outside of the burst too, without any of the janky prep

[manic salmon]

esp with me being 1st soak

[cloud rover]

[tepid raven]

I didn’t really have good assa gear

[vale pine]

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[tepid raven]

And some of the kills I saw in private logs looked close enough

[manic salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336795305064136800/1496877432412831835/image.png?ex=69eb7b3e&is=69ea29be&hm=61862edf956d5d45dbe992af2fa017fbc43ac568bb267ac47c8b270ad2d6cead&

this being the go-to opener

[tepid raven]

So just played sub cuz that’s what I was planning for Laura anyway

[warm marlin]

subti showed a gigablast assa log that wouldve been about my prepatch numbers

[manic salmon]

will never not be funny

[warm marlin]

without the turbo jank

[manic salmon]

Yeah assa can be good its just that you need to highroll crits

[lilac stag]

we start paladins tonight.
or

[manic salmon]

and roll heads

[lilac stag]

[warm marlin]

[manic salmon]

my variance was 170k on bad pulls during 1st burn vs 240k on good pulls

[stuck arrow]

Nice of them to give you a choice lol

[tepid raven]

Ye the kills I saw were assa doing like 177k on kills for egg

[lilac stag]

I’d be more convinced if Charrend parsed better

[tepid raven]

And I was doing 190 on sub on a bad pull so

Decided to just go with the middle option

[manic salmon]

sub was way more consistent last patch

[tepid raven]

Less high roll

[warm marlin]

yes for sure

[manic salmon]

now sub is just better for the burn

[lilac stag]

I don’t think I have a choice.

[ripe flame]

[tepid raven]

Ye putting more damage into blades was always gonna push sub hard on that fight

6% damage buff overall that’s entirely in blades basically

Just makes it absurd for that fight

[manic salmon]

puzzlebox is all i've ever had

never seen a guidon drop

[vale pine]

20% more burst

[manic salmon]

oh ya

[vale pine]

[warm marlin]

it didnt help they changed how the logs looked on beloren like 3 times over the week

[hazy breach]

Imagine if the vaelgor trinket was available for agi

[warm marlin]

i was going back to the same log and it was a different number every time

[manic salmon]

monka monka monka

[vale pine]

maybe we get it next season

[hazy breach]

For burst windows its fairly competitve with our current trinkets already (like 1-2% behind)

[vale pine]

[tepid raven]

[manic salmon]

house of cards pog

[hazy breach]

Its a way better house of cards

[manic salmon]

were they pulling bord on egg

we did that

[hazy breach]

As it has way more stats at the start, aka when we sectech

[stuck arrow]

It is, just need to play Havoc 😂

[warm marlin]

uhh no it was our first egg burn logs

[manic salmon]

yeah

[warm marlin]

they just changed the times at which it started "phase 2"

initially opener sectec wasnt included

[hazy breach]

Im already embracing PTR of next season swapping all the haste breakpoints around as we wont have 20 seconds blades anymore

[manic salmon]

oh that

[warm marlin]

then it was

[hazy breach]

Excited for more confusion about stats and breakpoints

[manic salmon]

guidon not replaced for the entirety of the patch

[warm marlin]

12.1 has 2 charges of sectec

[manic salmon]

pog pog pog

[swift tinsel]

this will be the tier set just watch

as a bandaid for losing 20 sec blades and guidon

[tepid raven]

This would kinda bang

[lilac stag]

I’m waiting for 298 guidon to be bis for another tier

[swift tinsel]

as a way to fit 2x in blades

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/x-men-x-men-97-xmen-xmen-97-x-men-gif-96730645697653660

[tepid raven]

Assuming there was a way to regen it

[serene notch]

I wanna go back to haste being a meaningless stat for us >_>…..

[swift tinsel]

nah they're 100% gonna do it instead of adding that to Imp Sectech

[tepid raven]

Fuck it 4 set gives you a charge of sectec when you press dance

[serene notch]

No one else will role on my vers mas gear…

[tepid raven]

Would not create an awful gameplay experience at allllll

[swift tinsel]

that should be what imp sectech does lmao

[tepid raven]

Issue is you’d be doing shit like

[swift tinsel]

and we all descend into madness

[willow fulcrum]

Just noticed the cloud cover bug thing. I was ranting in keys last night about the ability not triggering at times

[swift tinsel]

ye you're holding for double supercharged

[tepid raven]

Press it then insta dance so the other half of Sectec hits in dance

Then sectec again

[honest void]

you'll take a danse macabre tier set in 12.1 and enjoy it

[lilac stag]

Goremaw instantly resets Sectech

[tepid raven]

That could be a cool change to make it useful

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-cook-cooking-up-american-psycho-christian-bale-cooking-gif-13777956329105100946

[manic salmon]

4p dark brew something something

[warm marlin]

12.1 removes the ability from being able to be regularly cast, then 4p gives a charge when dance is pressed, then 12.2 its just gone

[swift tinsel]

make dark brew banshee's blight

[warm marlin]

free from pet jank

[swift tinsel]

change finality to be good again

[lilac stag]

change deepening shadows to work proper

[graceful rock]

I don’t think the 2 sec charges is unrealistic since we’ll be losing 4 seconds on dance next tier

[lilac stag]

change premed to not be krangled

[swift tinsel]

could have blades grant a use of sectech

since that's when we want 2x anyways

and will be scuffed with 12.1

instead of dance since we just align dance and sectech currently

and with s2 haste not getting <=20 sectech cd will be probs kinda hard since we're probs gonna wanna get as close to 8sec dances as possible

[nocturne tendon]

just give old premed back i want my jank-free 2 combo points

[swift tinsel]

and return to back to back dances in blades

[manic salmon]

this

this so fucking much

;w;

[honest void]

i wish shuriken tornado was ez to get to

[swift tinsel]

idk s2 is gonna be...interesting

[lilac stag]

They’d find a way to krangle the stacking of the cd

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah 100%

death taxes and spaghetti

[lilac stag]

Now you’re casting Sectech between .1-.4 before blades to make sure you have 2 charges.

[honest void]

real shit though

this stat squish is going to need it's own stat squish

[ripe flame]

Do a merge of flag and prism and bring it back

[honest void]

at this rate

[manic salmon]

ye

i said this

[swift tinsel]

ye numbers climbing pretty fast

[manic salmon]

whats the point

.2 is gonna have us at tww s1 numbers

[honest void]

don't get me wrong i like big numbers

[stuck arrow]

Nah we'll get goremaw and like it lol

[honest void]

but if we're resetting it every expansion then make it consistent

[swift tinsel]

I mean we're already eclipsing DF s1 numbers

[wintry heart]

I like classic numbers more for some reason

[stuck arrow]

It's the same either way. Idk.

[swift tinsel]

terros and vora numbers already matching

[small crown]

Do you still need to use Guidon slightly before burst/dance?

[stuck arrow]

Yes

[manic salmon]

yes

[small crown]

ty <3

[manic salmon]

np

[honest void]

there always got to be something

that never goes smoothly

[manic salmon]

only blizzard can come up with a hero talent that makes you drop a distract that costs 30 energy

[swift tinsel]

instead of coding it like Death and Decay and just swapping spellID's/graphic

[frail bone]

Sucks what are we 6 or 7 weeks in and I still have yet to see a guidon drop or appear in the vault

[manic salmon]

there is an ability alreadu

called smoke bomb

[warm marlin]

how many weeks in?

[manic salmon]

which creates smoked ground

[honest void]

[frail bone]

I have no idea. I don't keep track of that

[swift tinsel]

you mean the ability they copied the vfx from

[manic salmon]

🫴
🫴

[frail bone]

My work has me all messed up on my schedule

[warm marlin]

it was a 67 joke dw

[manic salmon]

was it

[wintry heart]

Just loot it man

[swift tinsel]

ye but smoke bomb doesn't have a persisting buff like dnd does

[frail bone]

Oh shit I didn't even notice and have kids I should of realized

Lol

[edgy imp]

anyone else using puzzlebox and emberwing feather ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xjGeqKeQJB9TTcQfvmBP72

[wintry heart]

insert gif of throwing puzzle box into river

[frail bone]

I played with puzzle all about 10keys standing for 2secs before bursting just feels awful.

[slender granite]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[slender granite]

It is not in bugs, but is anyone noticing the aoe blind just not working sometimes?

[jagged hamlet]

If you are using it on affix it won't work

Need to target a normal trash mob

But otherwise it seems to be working for me at least

[vale pine]

yes

i probably should remove vessel from the list

as its rly bad to play

done

[small crown]

goat

[vale pine]

hmm

i think the bonus roll system is rly bad for pugging

[jagged hamlet]

Talk about the tier of shitty trinkets lol

[vale pine]

especially in heroic

[honest void]

i think pugging is bad for pugging

[vale pine]

haha true

but i just did a heroic dreamrift and realized why

there was close to no loot dropped from the boss

because everyone in the group already had a lockout and only did it for bonus rolls

[edgy imp]

rip

[plush pecan]

End of the week should be better with that

[vale pine]

so essentially

[plush pecan]

Now since it’s a new system everyone is trying hard

The first days

[vale pine]

your chances to get loot is lower in a pug

because you can't verify who has a lockout

[honest void]

wait u can bonus roll even while locked?

[thin sinew]

They should get rid of LFG tool and put everyone who wants to 'pug' into the same place where like minded people can get together
Then they can decide between themselves a schedule to do the raid.
as well as come up rules between each other.
I think a fitting name for it could be a clan or maybe even a guild

[honest void]

or adult daycare

[thorn sundial]

wit the changes increasing shadowstrike dmg,do we still care for using generatoirs at max cp in that niche senario?

[edgy imp]

YES WE FUCKING KNOW PUZZLEBOX is bad, that being said ... should i use emberwing feather first then puzzlebox or box then feather ? i usually open with box but feather might be better in longer fights since you can fit more finishes in l

[fleet acorn]

Cant u Check raider.io for last kill ?

[dense geode]

Does Akaaris soul only take Secret Technique or does it take weaponmaster/shuriken storm as well.

[wintry heart]

I think running renown trinket is better than running two on use

[graceful osprey]

I really wish we just get a token for every boss and with enough tokens we can just buy the raid gear or m+ gear

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xjGeqKeQJB9TTcQfvmBP72

st it says puzzlebox and feather

[wintry heart]

I would take the 162 dps loss and not run two on use

[edgy imp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tt7jKhY9w5X3YVSi9JPKvM dungeons says use box and insignia

[somber sun]

nah bro

you really think