subtlety

[fossil forge]

Gcd?

[hollow orchid]

Why would i vanish in opener without premed?

[hazy lichen]

So put strike on different keybind in stealth bar?

[hollow orchid]

Am i missing something?

[weak flame]

Why do we strike vanish blade strike

[hazy breach]

Strike gives more combo points than backstab

And you get master of shadows

[unreal silo]

is playing premed rn a bigger loss than 6%?

[earnest crane]

ye i guess there is a macro that use both strike and backstab together that might work too i m not sure

[weak flame]

We do that when we dont play premedit ?

[unreal silo]

then fuck it im playing premed and call it early access

[fossil forge]

Big gaming u can prestealth 1sec before pull for mosmaxxing but its probably useless

[hollow orchid]

I think premed is a 0.3% loss

[hazy lichen]

whats mosmaxxing

[hollow orchid]

Double check me on that

[hazy breach]

Depends on a bit on your crit, but yes its a small loss

[fossil forge]

Nothing important

[unreal silo]

unless its like 10% then idm

[fossil forge]

Mos gives you 30energy when u go stealth

[hollow orchid]

Premed does feel SOO much better i might tank it aswell

[weak flame]

So now we have to wait to Get at least 30 energy to press otherwise we are cooked right

[hollow orchid]

What about the skyreach trinket now boys? it aint looking to bad now or what?

[shy ermine]

i'm tanking premed for sure

[fossil forge]

!cloud

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[shy ermine]

building to 7 without lust and slice is aids

[weak flame]

But I mean if I press withouth 30 energy im dead until the next press

[fossil forge]

Its actually 60 energy because of insta stech

[weak flame]

I cannot distract or smthing

[hollow orchid]

Yah im not starting at bottom of the dps meters on sub

Hell nah

[weak flame]

Cooked spec

[fossil forge]

This is flavor

[high grotto]

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following openers can be used alternatively to trigger cooldowns faster:
strike-vanish+blades-strike/guidon-cooldowns
strike/guidon-dance-blades-strike-secret

[rough dock]

oh so the opener has changed?

[dreamy wedge]

Just an alternatative, not changed..

[hazy lichen]

are u supposed to use both of these? or choose

[hazy breach]

What

[long cape]

hmmmm instead of backstab?

[true coral]

If we want to keep premed, which talent from the new build do we take off?

[hazy lichen]

like are u supposed to choose one to use

[hazy breach]

What does that even mean

What do you mean both of them

[hazy lichen]

are they same damage

[hazy breach]

Theres one

[junior ether]

it's alternative

u have 1 original

with backstab spam until 7 cp

[hazy breach]

Thats the original

Use the vanihs

Forget backstab

Why the fuck would you backstab

When you could get more cp and more energy

[hazy lichen]

are we looking at same thing?

theres 2

[dreamy wedge]

Because you told us to couple of days ago 😄

[junior ether]

so this one not accurate?

bro i should start wow with paladin not rogue i swear

[dim lagoon]

Or any ranged

[hallow mortar]

Just play premed and chill

Many ppl do on logs and do fine

[hollow orchid]

Id rather shuriken toss to 7cp than backstab

[somber sun]

True true, and you lose so much out of the bl on pull

I don't think they're all gonna wait on their cds for a rogue to stack combo points

Idk bro, hope they fix that. Premed should lowkey be in shadow strike base kit

[grizzled hornet]

its accurate, but some people do not like the bs to 7, so there are 2 other variants to open

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following openers can be used alternatively to trigger cooldowns faster:
strike-vanish+blades-strike/guidon-cooldowns
strike/guidon-dance-blades-strike-secret

[junior ether]

yeh i got it

premed coming back

[grizzled hornet]

all they have to do is make premed give sht stacks

and we win

[hallow mortar]

You dont send on pull on cosmoa and lura so those two are fine withnout premed

[grizzled hornet]

keep in mind not everyone here is mythic progressing these bosses, they just ask

[vocal pulsar]

well without guidon, BSing till 7 CP isnt so cursed 😅

[muted frigate]

Same for beloren

[hollow orchid]

Is the premed thing a bug?

[grizzled hornet]

but yeah cosmos and lura is fine with bs

[hollow orchid]

Like why shouldnt it give stacks

[grizzled hornet]

yes

[hollow orchid]

Ah ok great

[hazy breach]

I mean its working as intended

Just that intended sucks

[junior ether]

[hazy breach]

You cant spawn a clone, because youre not expending any sht stacks

[robust dust]

Hey the cloud Cover visual is way to much. Can I fix it? Its hard for me to see areas I should Dodge in it 😀

[hollow orchid]

You can untalent it thats all i know

[hallow mortar]

Yeah if you dont just play premed, half logs are with premed and they are doing fine

[grizzled hornet]

the loss is minor, we just dooming cus rogues

[hollow orchid]

Tanking the 0.3% with premed rn and never felt better

[hazy lichen]

Does the rotten work on prepull

[grizzled hornet]

ye

[hollow orchid]

Yeah we need 25sec pulltimers now

I wrote the Raid lead

[hallow mortar]

I did raid fine yesterday, but was missing shaman / warr buff on most bosses was bigger concer 😄

[harsh lotus]

Hey team I’m sure it’s been covered already but is taking premed a big dmg loss now? I liked the full cp deal. Or should I learn to adjust now?

[tawdry holly]

would you rather take myth vers/mast boots as ilvl upgrade from vault or 6 tokens for a bonus roll and hope for something better? other options are completely irrelevant

[crude apex]

Is there a list of all the pre-pull tech?

[hollow orchid]

like 0.3%

[hazy lichen]

for me it was a 170 dps loss

these are my stats no consumes

[grizzled hornet]

you'll be fine with premed and u could also try !open

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following openers can be used alternatively to trigger cooldowns faster:
strike-vanish+blades-strike/guidon-cooldowns
strike/guidon-dance-blades-strike-secret

[hollow orchid]

Tanking the premed loss is the way to go

[hallow mortar]

Idk just make pin that taking premed is fine and not taking is small marginal optimization at this point

[azure thicket]

0.3dps loss is what 500-700 dps

[hallow mortar]

Its like 300

[hollow orchid]

For me its alot more

But i do too much dmg

[fossil forge]

Its different for everyone

[hallow mortar]

0.1 is 100 dps for mostn

[fossil forge]

For someone its not marginal

[hazy lichen]

is unseen blade cd on base cdm

[azure thicket]

it's not that bad on aoe m+ etc

[grizzled hornet]

@hallow mortar i like the prof pic btw, gj

[hazy breach]

No, it wasnt trackable with weakauras before either

[obsidian crag]

Why is raidbots telling me that I should use premed then?

[hallow mortar]

Wdym

[hazy lichen]

i swear i had it tracked in tww

[grizzled hornet]

the one u are using on discord, i like it

[hazy lichen]

its just annoying swapping targets not knowing if its off cd or not

[hallow mortar]

Oh profile pic i read it as proof pic

[harsh lotus]

Cheers all. Creature of comfort here

[upbeat sorrel]

i wrote mine too, he said i could use the 25s to log off and log on a DH

[tribal blade]

it'll depend on your stats, having very heavy crit the sim will prefer no premed

[dry flame]

Fuck the 8% heal, I'm premed gang

[grizzled hornet]

do you maybe mean Fazed?

[hazy lichen]

maybe yes

[hallow mortar]

Graham gapped dragons playing premed

[tribal blade]

people beat me

[grizzled hornet]

thats on your target and u can track it on both cdm and nameplates

[tribal blade]

but yeah it's not bad

[hazy lichen]

oh wiat no i mean this part

[hallow mortar]

I did about same as you but no warr buff 😄

[lyric ibex]

premed gang rise up

[tribal blade]

damn sad

[hallow mortar]

We hitted enrage

[hazy lichen]

i just wanna track cd

[hazy breach]

You cant

[grizzled hornet]

you cant track that

[hazy breach]

As it randomly resets

[grizzled hornet]

nor could you in tww its random reset

[tribal blade]

i'm getting flashbacks to TWW beta

[junior ether]

well i mean im hitting blue logs in mythic raid so i doubt i gonna feel insane diff using or not using it since im shit either way

it's more about strong ppl

[tribal blade]

remember when we had the WA that kinda predicted resets

[junior ether]

i guess

[hallow mortar]

Idk i has fun with cloud yesterday. But sometimes I maybe lost some duration

[tribal blade]

and had the timer

[grizzled hornet]

remember when we were using a really nice opener with in sync cds ?

damn

[hallow mortar]

I think o chimerus if you go first down you lose cloud to other realm

[hazy lichen]

yea im probably remembering fazed

[junior ether]

thats why i ask to be in 2nd soak group always

so i can drop 1 burst on opener and 2nd inside realm on adds

x)

[hallow mortar]

I was in first group for first time and last time

That's good boss to play premed on

[tribal blade]

my RL put me in 1st group on last chim kill

but i honestly didn't care

[hollow orchid]

Question: how much do yall hold dance charges for blades window, like are you going into blades with atleast 1 charge of dance or maybe like 1.5? or do you pool up 2 charges always

[hallow mortar]

Its only boss I dont have orange parse on

Never paded there

[tribal blade]

people were making a fuss to go into 2nd group so my RL moved me into 1st

didn't want to make more headache lol

[somber sun]

Usually during intermissions

[tribal blade]

just game

[junior ether]

usually when 1 ready and around 8 cd on 2nd - can send

[grizzled hornet]

u kinda send dances with ur sec tec but u hold them if ur blades are 10sec

[junior ether]

but it's with my stats

[hazy lichen]

at least u arent doing madness soak lol

like i am

[grizzled hornet]

wtf why would you do that

[tribal blade]

that's mega pain 🙁

[hallow mortar]

That's curses

[somber sun]

If you have sb coming up in and you only have 1.3-1.5 shadow dance and sec tec up, you can just throw that

[hallow mortar]

But got madness yesterday

[tribal blade]

because he's reliable

[somber sun]

You will get second shadow dance by then

[hallow mortar]

I think it was first time I had it

[tribal blade]

i think it bricks your parse quite significantly if you have to do 1 madness during that fight

esp if the person soaking with you takes their time to get there

[hazy lichen]

idk why guild put me and a ret on madness soaks

[junior ether]

i wanna at least hero guidon, i was too greedy to give 1500 points and lose all my prio for this

and havent seen any flag after

😢

[hazy lichen]

at least im 2nd group soak tho

so my cds are up with down phase

[keen yew]

looks like you don't have a devourer going down at the same time

otherwise you'd prefer sticking to boss fr

[hazy lichen]

i do

but i still manage a bit of dam but my sectec is delayed cuase big add dies to fast so i have to sprint step to boss lol

[keen yew]

this week again i lost half my blades because that purple class just destroyed everything

[hazy lichen]

oh yea i would imagine its gonna be even more painful this week

cause they got buffed right

[high grotto]

does the alt openers cause us to lose a sec tec in SB if no lust?

[native zodiac]

no

[icy pond]

I have a question: why, when I run the simulation, does it tell me to equip 2 Acuity of the Ren'dorei, but the guides say I should equip 1 Acuity of the Ren'dorei and 1 Arcane Mastery?

[hazy breach]

Either is fine, it doesnt really matter

[drifting ether]

Only heroic but my first 100!

[hollow orchid]

My sims are telling me to go crit over haste even tho i dont have the 18% haste

Is that just how it is now?

[high grotto]

believe sims dont take into account human error

[graceful portal]

The second shadow technique in bburst windows has to be with supercharched CP and ancient arts proc ?

[hazy breach]

No

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[graceful portal]

thx

[lilac stag]

@short radish our propaganda is over. cloud cover made r/wow

[fossil forge]

Gg

[obsidian crag]

Print? I can't access that atm

[tidal solstice]

and thats how in 30 minutes i discovered i hate DKs

[tribal blade]

jfc the people who just sit in /2 all day and jerk each other off dueled each other and are recounting the entire thing in trade chat

NOBODY CARES

sorry /rant

[dry flame]

Reminds me of the chats in Ravenholdt tbh

Different strokes...

[tribal blade]

lol not even close

[dry flame]

XD

[tidal solstice]

i wish the DKs and DHs all would have them

[shut crypt]

yo guys, do you know what the best stats are for Subtlety in raid?

[tribal blade]

all these people do is sit in trade and argue politics and other nonsense

all day

and do 0 in game content

[keen dome]

buddy, you have the option to do the funniest things

[tribal blade]

HAHA nah

[keen dome]

When you see something like, that start asking innocoulous questions about it

[short radish]

i hate reddit

[tidal solstice]

Agil> haste =700ish > crit=mast> >vers

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/liquids-max-talks-rogue-raid-buff-situation/2296187 new post is up

[keen dome]

I love sitting in trade all day

[short radish]

ye i need to watch the max clip

[shut crypt]

ty dude

[tribal blade]

i put a time stamp

[keen dome]

It's a good clip

Maybe we see something from it

[tribal blade]

once in a while someone will go off on them

[keen dome]

I just tell people to post cats in trade

[tribal blade]

telling them how annoying they all are and to keep their opinions to themselves

[keen dome]

It's great for breaking up dumb conversations

[tribal blade]

and then they bully that person

and i whisper that person

to say "well done"

[cloud rover]

I have a huge raidbuff

Rogue gives Parry and dodge immunity

• misses

[keen dome]

hah

[tribal blade]

that could actually be a dope buff

but kinda niche

tbh

[keen dome]

Yeah

[shut crypt]

so, if i have 700 haste, 1189 crit is ok? i have only 519 on mastery

[keen dome]

I think the simplest solution is the best

+3% crit for the entire group (or raid).

Or +2% crit / 1% crit dam.

Everybody is happy. Everybody benefits. We're number one.

[cloud rover]

2% crit dam

sounds nice

[keen dome]

Because the important part is it's very easy to understand

Rogue bring more dam / heal. we like more dam / heal. bring rogue

[tidal solstice]

crit for ST, mastery for aoe

[keen dome]

Atro is cool, but then you delve into logs and oh no it doesn't apply to 90% of a fight. But something like a pure %buff to crit?

Easy. In our lane. Critting.

[tidal solstice]

our stat weights make sense for once

[short radish]

ye just need to finsh alt raid

[tribal blade]

it's kind of funny framing because he ties it all back to DK in the end

just a heads up warning

[short radish]

fuck dks

fuck max

[tribal blade]

hahaha

i knew it

[keen dome]

Haha

Honestly yeah fuck DKs

[short radish]

you know what as well

[keen dome]

I don't like them anymore

[short radish]

the worst thing thats going to come of this

is that when we finally do get our raid buff

max is going to be like

yeah i called it

[keen dome]

Yeah

[short radish]

this was because of me

[tribal blade]

honestly i will take the win however it happens

[keen dome]

This is where I wish Blizz would communicate better 'cos they could actually be working on it and planning it for 12.0.7 or 12.1.

But we'll never know.

[tribal blade]

all i want is the raid buff

[keen dome]

unless it's like a 1:1 to the version we've discussed in here at length

then we'll know

[tribal blade]

i don't care if it's served to me on a platter of shit

i'll lick that platter clean

[keen dome]

you know you could just take the good bit and ignore the shit

[tidal solstice]

lets not settle for 2nd class bullshit either

[tribal blade]

sorry that's too logical

[keen dome]

[tidal solstice]

it needs to be straight up " we need a rogue for our raid" or its a complete failure

[tribal blade]

the optimal thing to happen would be keeping atrophic and then gaining a dmg raid buff

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

but if they ahve to nuke atrophic to give us a raid buff

i'm fine with that

JUST GIVE

[keen dome]

I mean, I don't think they need to touch Atrophic. It's fine. It's not amazing but we have it.

And then give us a benefical buff on top of it.

[hollow orchid]

What do yall recommend for highend m+ simming, dungeon slice or patchwork 5 bosses?

[keen dome]

dungeon slice

And understanding how your stats interact with content and what benefits you the most

[ornate lake]

Make cloud cover apply to everyone in the group within the smoke and we shall be good.

[hollow orchid]

Gestalt are you the dude that always stands by the water in silvermoon?

[ornate lake]

But assa enjoyers will start malding

[keen dome]

yes

[hollow orchid]

Lmao

[tribal blade]

LOL

[keen dome]

I am the guy who won't ever log off

[tribal blade]

that's amazing

[keen dome]

Except right now I'm logging off to go to work

Also I'm normally sitting by the water with my cat.

[tribal blade]

they won't do that

they moved away from specs within classes bringing buffs

[keen dome]

What if we keep saying it gives everybody inside it DR

[tribal blade]

eg windfury totem

[keen dome]

Just gaslight the entire wow population into thinking it does and when they get confused, we tell them it's a bug.

And they bug report it.

And blizz adds it

🤔

[obsidian crag]

They gotta remove that 30 energy cost. It's ridiculous

[tribal blade]

haha

[keen dome]

I imagine it'll get hotfixed this week sometime

Maybe today

[velvet jay]

Now that rogues are one of the best burst classes, is PI any good for us? or would it still be better on an elemental shaman?

[hollow spear]

PI still sucks afaik

[tribal blade]

nah PI barely gives sub a bump in dps

[keen dome]

We only really gain attack speed from PI, right?

It's very w/e for sub

[tribal blade]

although i don't know now that we have more dmg in blades

[velvet jay]

doesn't PI increase dance timer?

[tribal blade]

but i suspect still not great

[short aurora]

I dont need to Pool with pi after my backstab opener

[tribal blade]

PI is a % so no

[native zodiac]

No only lowers st cd

[tribal blade]

needs to be stat

[velvet jay]

ah

thanks

[keen dome]

Deepening is raw stat, not %. It's why racials don't inlfuence it

[tribal blade]

it would be insane if it did

[keen dome]

We're rogues so it's needlessly confusing

[native zodiac]

Pi on beloren is nice but youre prob never gonna have that until farm

[tribal blade]

i need them to change nelf to be stat

[native zodiac]

Makes 3 st real smooth into egg

[keen dome]

or just let deepening beenfit from % too

[tribal blade]

it would be too crazy

[keen dome]

ye

[tribal blade]

during lust you'd have crazy long dances

[keen dome]

GOOD

MEGA dance

[tribal blade]

haha

15+ second dance in opener

[tidal solstice]

i mean, if you think about it, its kinda lore accurate that rogues suck at shit. we dont use magic, we arent channeling primal forces. we just use daggers and maybe a little shadow magic.

[tribal blade]

(i can't math)

[keen dome]

We actually do use magic! Cloak of Shadows, step, etc.

We're Shadow Mages. Kinda.

Except outlaw, they just have some weird dice and a gun

[tribal blade]

i think untrue since rogues were super strong in vanilla wow

mega strong

[tidal solstice]

we dont lean into shadow like say, shadow priest

[keen dome]

True

[tidal solstice]

we just dip

otherwise we have no flasy attacks, no huge bursts or energy or effects. just a little spin and a swish

[tidal python]

Kills a titan anyway

It doesn't really need to make sense

[ornate lake]

sees a gnome rogue named lillpayne murder a cosmic horror and loot it's corpse

[red flame]

Haunted dice, cursed by the spirits of gamblers past

[fiery fog]

Im pretty sure lore wise the rogue poisons are just that good

[somber sun]

the spec doesnt even follow the pirate fantasy

they should add -> at x energy spent, summon a ship that deal massive aoe damage

[hollow spear]

They should shoot dice at the enemy

[fiery fog]

You just want to be gangplank do you

[somber sun]

yeah true

[hollow spear]

1% chance to board your own ship and sail off the next cliff

[somber sun]

ehh you got me

[fossil forge]

Fuck up recklessness pot and u can dance for 12 seconds

[vale pine]

was it a normal gnome or a mecha gnome

[sweet moss]

What cheese should we do pre pull on raid bosses for more dam

[tepid trellis]

Supercharge

[vale pine]

you use dance one time pre pull

so you get one charge for supercharger

(2 supercharger points)

[fossil forge]

Does using stech b4 pull still give you 2x ub proc

[sweet moss]

okay just taht? i heard some tech with rotten and shit

[hazy breach]

Yes

[fossil forge]

nice.

[hazy breach]

But like, both disorienting strikes and rotten are way harder to pull off and the reward is way way smaller

Compared to just the superchargers

[keen steppe]

If there is a addon outside that can change the bte sound from the current one to the awp from 1.6 or the ak i would switch instantly to outlaw

[sweet moss]

i swear u can prep a coupe

somehow

[spiral pewter]

man i dont know but i really didnt like new build, cant have full access CP sux, shadow teqh procs sux, apex talent prob sux, maybe i cant do but with older build i can bring on table way bigger steak

[naive solar]

I've been banging my head at ?? Nullaeus again. I think I play the new single-target build all wrong. Might have to get some logs to look at, I'm very inconsistent with the damage. Almost like I'd like another build for it, might have to try some stuff out. Any suggestions or do I just have to play better? 🙂

[hazy breach]

If you have premed theres literally no gain with disorienting strikes

[fiery fog]

Weakauras were able to do that
Idk if m33kauras can

[ornate lake]

Normal

[tidal solstice]

wi beat nalleus ?? as a rogue by swapping to a druid alt and respeccing it to resto and on the first day i ever played a healer in wow on the 3rd try I beat it. and thats how rogue beats nalleus ??

240ish ilvl but lvl 60 valeera did all the work

[naive solar]

I make it to 3rd intermission quite a lot, but then it kind of falls apart. I really hate that Valeera is either just doing good job OR she dies all the time and doesn't heal good enough during some random burst and I die.

[tidal solstice]

resto druid + valeera dps 40+ lvl and you have a kill

[fiery fog]

I bursted the add down before the boss was targetable again

[naive solar]

I save blades for all the intermissions, tried opening with blades but then like the burst is too low on the intermission adds so I have nullaeus and adds.

[fiery fog]

Then its just surviving as usual

[naive solar]

Yea. Probably just need to play a little better then. I had a revelation today that the the goop on the ground is not as dangerous as they want you to believe. 😄

[tidal solstice]

warlock: pet
hunter: pet
mage: believe it or not, also pet
rogue: evasion best i can do

[undone ridge]

bro why tf is our class always bugged

[naive solar]

Don't know how many times I've stepped out of it and try to bait the adds, only to have Valeera dive into the goop and dps them and eventually my CDs run out. 😄

[undone ridge]

why man whyduskz snlakwnwjsoqiq

F this honestly

[weak atlas]

I just tricks'd valeera and used drums after last intermission for nullaeus and was pretty chill

[hazy breach]

bro why tf is our class game always bugged *

[undone ridge]

yeah this too but like

our class is just forever bugged jesus flipping christ

now im playing tank IMAGINE

[naive solar]

Yea i watched som rogue do similar on a video. Bought some drums, going to try it out after work.

[undone ridge]

this week im dropping my beloved rogue

[weak atlas]

ye I just completely ignored the caster add

and saved everything for boss

[tidal solstice]

it took me less time to leve a druid alt to 90 and gear it in adventure and veteran gear and faceroll the fight with a kit perfectly designed to beat it, than it would trying it on any rogue spec

[hazy breach]

Idk blades costing 30 energy has nearly no impact on subs rotation. Compare that too DKs which randomly do like 15% less damage because a bunch of shit just stopped working

[tribal blade]

sub rogue bug is actually very low on the totem pole of current bugs from the new patch

[undone ridge]

its not only that isnt it

okay u guys are comforting me

but im still madge

[tribal blade]

blizz broke half the game

with this patch

[naive solar]

For a long time I didnt even ress Valeera, I just cloaked the dot and evasioned the attacks. 😄

[tribal blade]

not just us

[undone ridge]

nah legit big man

[lilac stag]

more than half

[undone ridge]

so freggin cooked

[naive solar]

She would come back just in time for the next cast so I got dispelled.

[undone ridge]

also patchnotes are not clean

[lilac stag]

they never are

[undone ridge]

its like legit they are trying to use AI to do their shit

[tidal solstice]

time for chili and rice with cheese cause fuck wow is a mess

[tribal blade]

yeah patch notes are like forrest gump box of chocolates

[undone ridge]

have a good meal🌹

im very tilted since i geared my rogue high enough to do 13s

and now i look like a complete fool

playing brewmaster

[tidal solstice]

ive had guidon for two weeks. i ran a m+ with puzzle box and wanted to be the main character in a dashboard confessional song

[undone ridge]

to forget about my main

[undone ridge]

hhahahahahahahah

bro if u dont pbox u aint him

simple

[tidal solstice]

while i know that its only two global to use a puzzle box, it feels like im neo in the matrix watching bullet time as 5 casts i can interrupt start building

and im just over here twiddling my thumbs with some hellraiser box waiting on pinhead to say i can dps

[topaz crow]

any idea why smoke didnt pop when i used SD?

SB

[outer geyser]

need 30 energy

[tidal solstice]

you didnt have 30 energy cause its tied to distract even though the tooltip doest say that at all, and only, oops, sometimes

[topaz crow]

love it

[tidal solstice]

rogues for the last 10 years:

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[topaz crow]

sry eleem didnt see new pin

[tidal solstice]

acro?

lol

[plain creek]

wrong

channel

xd

[tidal solstice]

np 😄

just outlaw things

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-spongebob-imagination-gif-8764636

its all good we all rogue brethren here

[fiery fog]

Df S3 rogue

https://tenor.com/view/i-can-see-i-can-fight-gif-3129243999473185532

[void ocean]

tww s3 rogue was pretty decent too

was swapping between assa and sub regularly in raids and was sub in keys, it was a peaceful life

[ashen warren]

Every season I play rogue is weak
Every season I don’t play I learn that rogue is strong afterwards

[fossil forge]

ts was peak son

[void ocean]

ts?

[fossil forge]

(this shit)

[void ocean]

alright

[graceful osprey]

13.0 all rogue specs will be S+ tier, you’ll see

[median nacelle]

can u let ion know ur not playing rogue next season pls

[void ocean]

i dont get it, sub is already s tier

[ashen warren]

sure I’ll gladly switch to fire mage when he is meta again

[tidal solstice]

yeah s2 theyll be sayin sub was s tier for m+

[fiery fog]

I think we will get a new class in 13.0
If not it has to be 14.0

[median nacelle]

havent seen a single fmage yet i think, except my alt mage xD

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-no-noooo-gif-7347380959994097336

[patent berry]

How much crit should i have for raid ?

[ashen warren]

As much as you want

[tidal solstice]

yes

[patent berry]

Ok ty 🙂

[cinder marten]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[daring pike]

what happened that Crit Surpassed Mastery??

[empty bobcat]

only for ST

if you mostly run M+ and wanna burst big packs then mastery is ahead

[daring pike]

i only care about raid

[dusky yacht]

I'm going for a bit of a balance because there are quite a few AoE scenarios in the current raids aswell

[hollow spear]

I only care about food

[dusky yacht]

Time to go pandaren

[hollow spear]

Already am

[dusky yacht]

[ashen warren]

I feel for vora / salh / crown / bird / lura you want straight crit/haste with little mastery

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I mean ideally I'm gonna start saving up random equipment pieces for specific scenarios

And switch

But oof man

[prisma ibex]

was super happy with the new cloud thing, until my teammates say they are blind when i use it lol

[granite hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky yacht]

That should make you even happier about it

[prisma ibex]

[empty bobcat]

even with essential spell visibility?

[prisma ibex]

did a macro, /y "SMOKE OUT"

hahah

[prisma ibex]

yeah, i think is hiding only in raid

idk

[dusky yacht]

Tell them they're gonna need to take a special forces course to deal with high intensity low visibility situations

[prisma ibex]

In case of rogues on your party, oxygen masks will deploy from the panel above your seat

[fiery fog]

The only thing you should do in this case is to prepare a more crit heavy build for st and a more mastery heavy build for m+

[dusky yacht]

Yep planning for that basically

But for now the balance will have to do

[empty bobcat]

I just run puzzle box and Magister flask for M+ and ember and crit flask for ST

[fossil forge]

i just did 1m first pull in nexus with aug and spriest we are so back

[dusky yacht]

1m holy shit

But yeah aug is insane for us no

[prisma ibex]

Alghetar box?

[dusky yacht]

rubix cube*

[crystal bone]

aug is insane for every1

[prisma ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[upbeat cradle]

aug is insane

[hearty steeple]

Guys how do u manage SB and Algethat box cooldown ?

[hazy breach]

Box is a 3min cd effectively

[olive canyon]

see the gif above

Rogues running 17/18+ keys, do you tend to run elusiveness over cheat?

[hearty steeple]

mmmmm its 2min

[hazy breach]

Generally yes as dungeons have a lot of dangerous attacks that are not coded as AoE

[hearty steeple]

i agreeeeeeeee with u 1000%, the 3 sec cast, kills me with agony

[hazy breach]

Yes, hence the "effectively". You hold box for blades

[azure thicket]

i wanna ask what their stamina is at honestly

[hearty steeple]

u mean the opposite, hold SB for box

[hazy breach]

No

[hearty steeple]

SB is 1.5m and box is 2!

[south robin]

Send SB on cd. Use box with every other

[olive canyon]

0secs in to fight - puzzle+sb+all ......90 secs in to fight - just blades plus other stuff NO BOX.....180 secs in to fight - Puzzle and baldes full send

[hearty steeple]

okkkkkkkkkkk, so u mean its kinda holding ~2 times ?

so it can by insync with SB

[eternal willow]

does anyone feel the 6% dmg buff? cause i feel i do the same dmg

[olive canyon]

Just dont pop it on cd, pop it with every OTHER blades

[olive canyon]

i feel huge

[hearty steeple]

iam humilating metas left and right

[hazy breach]

Fairly sure thats sub if the kill timers of the bosses aint horrible

[foggy estuary]

How much dam we lose when out of cloud? Tanks just refuse to smell my farts and keep moving out 🫠
Ngl, i like the dam increase in general but the sb bug tilts me maximum overrustle.

[civic lava]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[olive canyon]

you should get close to 20secs at least

which is enough to cover the burst

[foggy estuary]

Oof

[hazy breach]

As long as you dip in at the last second of it you dont lose anything

Ie right before it ends at 10 seconds

[torn tide]

does this mean we should choose our sb presses carefully

cuz imagine if i press it then they go off to pull more

then the cloud just gets left behind

[foggy estuary]

Yes i tried to gauge it but pug tanks are simply incapable of smelling the nice fart i just released

[hazy breach]

Especially in aoe, youre better of losing a global by running back to the cloud for the refresh than to continue hitting without the buff

[foggy estuary]

Roger

Tyty❤️

[graceful osprey]

I don’t feel much different but I am pumping in M+

[eternal willow]

mythic is good ye

im talking bout raid more

[fleet acorn]

You can just leave the bomb last second or stay in it until it disappears to get the buff After bomb

[graceful osprey]

ahh, I haven’t raided yet, but I know mm hunters are dooming right now, all the mm hunters in my guild are emergency panic swapping to survival

[lean summit]

should i just be sending sending dance on CD? by the time you get to the second blades you won’t have two charges if you do that or should i pool?

[alpine wraith]

we play around sec tech not dance

[olive canyon]

as a general rule of thumb, dont send dance if it is OFF cd and blades has 10s to go

and that way you get 2 charges in blades and sectec loving life

[alpine wraith]

and well if you play without premed you will need to pool sht and energy often

[hollow nimbus]

guys if i want to run tfd in m+ what am i swapping it for? 1 point of finality or veiltouched?

[lean summit]

thanks all

[alpine wraith]

wm or finality what you prefer

less st or less aoe

i would prefer to keep wm tho

[hazy breach]

Either

[weary tree]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/eyes-of-the-eagle-ring-enchants-buffed-in-patch-12-0-5-381354?utm_source=discord-webhook

Probably increase for us?

[alpine wraith]

what

[hollow nimbus]

think prefer more aoe

[hazy breach]

I mean we were using them before

[weary tree]

Went from 1.25 to 2 now

[hazy breach]

So now theyre better

[weary tree]

Free damage

[alpine wraith]

big

more stonks to the crit mines

[weary tree]

Were out of the dumpster now

[thin sinew]

Are they ACTUALLY 2% now though

[hazy breach]

Yes

[thin sinew]

ok that's awesome then. makes them like 5 times more powerful than all the other ring enchants doesn't it?

[dusky yacht]

We're so back

(I typed bad initially)

[thin sinew]

eh it's typing

[dusky yacht]

Just a typo right

[lilac stag]

couldn’t see the keeb in

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smoke-gif-A2RiDrLMc5Qys

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[sour horizon]

Cept its usually me dead on the floor coz I couldnt see wtf I was standing in

[dusky yacht]

Ngl I prolly got hit by a few things my first runs in m+ too

But I swapped to Elusiveness and just keep feint up perma now and sometimes evasion ahead of time

[sour horizon]

Just a lil opacity would be great haha

[crystal bone]

[shadow snow]

in m+ we still play mastery flask right? For ST we play crit?

[fallow ingot]

thats weird, the game recommand me to drop the haste vers pant from seat

[hazy breach]

Yes with PP mastery is still insano

[fallow ingot]

guess my versa value is high atm

[celest drum]

How do you do with the opener when u don't have premed on st?

do i just backstab until im full and then pop?

[lilac stag]

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following openers can be used alternatively to trigger cooldowns faster:
strike-vanish+blades-strike/guidon-cooldowns
strike/guidon-dance-blades-strike-secret

[hazy breach]

Vanish strike once

But yes

[celest drum]

okok ty

[lilac stag]

Strike stab vanish strike less likely to make head hurt.

[short radish]

@tribal blade timestamp didnt work where is it?

[dry flame]

Alternatively just respec 8% healing into premed

[tribal blade]

i think 56:56

[abstract cosmos]

or just play premed ez

[short radish]

ty

[tribal blade]

it's so annoying, half the time it doesn't work

[fiery fog]

Graham
I think ive found a youtube comment of yours under a max video

[crystal bone]

feeling like premed in raid is super nice, in keys i dont really need it

[thin sinew]

Spill the beans

[tawny thicket]

Roll the bones

[tribal blade]

ok updated the post with the timestamp

[tribal blade]

LOL yup

if it's the one of me complaining about raid buff

hell yeah

[fiery fog]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

i'm trying my best to put as much out there

[short radish]

man honestly just watching this video makes me miss weakauras

[tribal blade]

the more blizz hears about it

the more likely change might happen

[fiery fog]

The doomer we need but dont deserve

[tribal blade]

LOL true

[tribal blade]

hehe i don't think it's even dooming, i would say more constructive criticism 😉

[hazy breach]

Ok does this work

!opener

[short radish]

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
:ShadowStrike: :ShadowStrike: Shadowstrike-> :Vanish: Vanish + :ShadowStrike: Shadowstrike -> :Backstab: Backstab until 7 cp + :Guidon: Guidon -> Cooldowns :ShadowBlades:

[hazy breach]

!open

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
:ShadowStrike: :ShadowStrike: Shadowstrike-> :Vanish: Vanish + :ShadowStrike: Shadowstrike -> :Backstab: Backstab until 7 cp + :Guidon: Guidon -> Cooldowns :ShadowBlades:

[hazy breach]

It certainly did not

Fuck

[tribal blade]

damn

bad bot

[hazy breach]

!opener

[wicked jolt]

The following opener is recommended without Premeditation:
Shadowstrike-> Vanish +Shadowstrike -> Backstab until 7 cp + Guidon -> Cooldowns

[hazy breach]

No fancy icons i guess

[tribal blade]

we need to read the words like intellectuals

[fallow ingot]

Guys i'm at 698 haste with guidon, but the sims told me to lower my haste by 40 for 40 extra crit rate

[tribal blade]

keep the haste

[fallow ingot]

crit rate is better then 700 haste breaking point ?

[tribal blade]

perfect amount

[fiery fog]

Stay where you are

The bot is gaslighting you

[thin sinew]

ignore the sims whenever it comes to haste it's aiming for 600-650 i believe

[fallow ingot]

this is what the sims told me

vs

[tribal blade]

unless you can play as perfectly as the robot

stay 700

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[fallow ingot]

kk so i keep this one

[tribal blade]

just trust yeah

[strong shoal]

@hazy breach does exiting and entering smoke at the last seconds extend the duration for another 10 seconds?

[thin sinew]

it makes simming gear choices a bit of a pain but any gain is fake if haste is below 675 i think it was for the lower limit of 0.4 sec margin?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[paper siren]

this key was painful
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8XwLqCFrvGk7jA6Z?fight=last&type=damage-done&graphperf=2

[fallow ingot]

I'm the ropz of wow ( if u get the joke )

[hazy breach]

You got PI ofc youre top dps

./s

[paper siren]

lol

[tribal blade]

nah i'm too stupid lol

[paper siren]

That shadow though :(

[fallow ingot]

If u don't watch CS competitive scene its normal

[tribal blade]

nah i don't

last time i played CS was back in the de_dust days

[fallow ingot]

Now other teams then vitality play in de_airport

[tribal blade]

my reflexes are too slow for first person shooters lol

in wow PVE it's mostly fine

you don't need to have amazing reflexes for raid/M+

[short radish]

wow is not a hard game 🙂

[analog hearth]

any fix for the SD bug literally being unpressable some pulls?

[dusky yacht]

I swear that guy should be banned for botting with his brain

[analog hearth]

launched a couple reload relaunchs and its still there

[halcyon oar]

For the Paladins fight would you guys take the AOE build or jus stick with single target regardless now?

[fallow ingot]

just play sin or outlaw tbh

[small crag]

Could someone help me understand why my parse went from a 99 to a 0?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NMQvdtHJ1Tag9LPw?fight=5&type=damage-done

[grizzled hornet]

if u dont respec to assa/outlaw, go with the M+ build

[fallow ingot]

this ?

[tribal blade]

aoe build 100%

or else you're doing tank dmg

sub is already pitiful dps on paladins

don't make it worse

[fallow ingot]

or its a bug idk the game is bricked anyway

[small crag]

Idk, based on pure boss dmg, i still sat on a 98, so thats why i am so confused.

[fallow ingot]

u got robbed on this or its a bug idk

[dusky yacht]

Wait did they make smoke screen even less see through than yesterday? Or am I just tripping

[fallow ingot]

Tbh smoke should only see by us

[tribal blade]

for reference me blue parsing paladins on sin with a 61 is more dps than the rank 1 sub parse

[fallow ingot]

tank don"t care anyway xD

[thorn sundial]

you guys know how sometimes from vanish in combat it doesnt allow you to shadowstrike so you have to backstab... anyone know what causes that?

[red flame]

That’s wild af

[fallow ingot]

I have the same issue

[tribal blade]

shit green parsing sin on paladins is more dps than rank 1 sub

[fallow ingot]

tried maccro etc

[grizzled hornet]

energy, gcd

[fallow ingot]

didnt find any solution that work 100£ of the time

[tribal blade]

yeah that's like +10k dps over the rank 1 sub parse

[red flame]

That’s insane

[white siren]

and even with that rank 1 sub is lower than 90% of hunts

[tribal blade]

sub is truly gutter on paladins lol

[stray marsh]

Earlier there was a post that said if we have Guidon aim 700 if we dont aim 800. Is that still true or should we stick to 700 regardless?

[red flame]

How different are the stats/trinkets for sin

[tribal blade]

taht 1 fight is probably dragging down our entire overall dmg on the raid statistics

[red flame]

Like do I need to farm new shit or am I fine to just swap specs w same gear

[dusky yacht]

And dev is outdpsing us even st no?

[tribal blade]

that's true yeha

[grizzled hornet]

TLDR: New passive haste breakpoints, still AFTER oils & flask.
:Trickster:Trickster with Guidon - Aim for ~700 haste (same as before).
:Trickster: Trickster without Guidon - Aim for ~800 haste.
Deathstalker - Aim for ~1100 haste.

its in the pins

[red flame]

Idc about playing it outside the 1 boss rlly

[tribal blade]

oh yeah dev is OMEGA BUSTED right now lol

[red flame]

Unless I can use exact same shi

[dusky yacht]

Prophet why do we exist

[tribal blade]

TO SUFFER

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/myDXHnYYPxT4od4NEN

Blizzard class tuning be like

[vale osprey]

Not again, we're gonna get 50 more "are we play outlaw then??????"

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/liquids-max-talks-rogue-raid-buff-situation/2296187 good time to post this again

hit it with a like

[pine viper]

I wonder why they buff Devourer DH while it was already on top and all they did for subtletly is make it more tedious

[tribal blade]

watch the time stamp

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure lol

already happening

i think sub is better in raid than that graph shows

if we did real dmg on paladins

we wouldn't be so low down there

[dusky yacht]

Can I like your post if I log on EU blizz?

I want crit/haste buff

I wanna be useful

[tribal blade]

oh i'm NA

can't unfortunately

it's weird like that

but you can view it

[dusky yacht]

Can you move real quick so I can like your post and then you just move back rq

[tribal blade]

that should increase the view count

[tribal blade]

LOL

[dusky yacht]

I'm viewing

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach do you recall the difference in finishing Sectech at 6 vs 7 for the opener?

[dry flame]

🇪🇺

[crystal bone]

hey the gap between law and sub is not the worst thing imaginable

we take those

[fiery fog]

Sub is held back by vanguard though

[crystal bone]

i dont have a law weapon for paladin prog this weekend, i might have to go sin

[tribal blade]

yeah i think it's not as drastic as that chart

[dusky yacht]

Who is the Rogue talking in the vid btw? (I'm returning player since start of midnight, I dunno anybody's vids to watch)

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly

[fiery fog]

Look at every other boss and sub is either better or on par with law

[crystal bone]

yup

[tribal blade]

shindigg, he's one of the bigger rogue streamers right now

[dusky yacht]

Perfect thanks

[tribal blade]

he's trying to get into liquid

does rank 1 key pushing too

[lilac stag]

i think you mean only rogue streamer

[tribal blade]

lol true

[fiery fog]

Every other big rogue is a dh or something now

Fotm slaves smh

[dusky yacht]

People keep telling me to "play assas because zerocool plays it and he pumps" and I'm like ..

[tribal blade]

yeah shindigg is a rogue G

[lilac stag]

not exactly a good business plan to play a class that is the lowest representation in the game

as a streamer

[dry flame]

Assa is fun in high keys imo... But very squish

[wintry heart]

Oh sick they buffet the crit enchant a little bit and bonus rolls are good again

[tribal blade]

haha kinda true

[fiery fog]

Depends
Its also not good to be one of a million paladins or something
At least with rogue there is some kind of uniqueness

[tribal blade]

sin is really strong in keys right now for sure

[dry flame]

It's a magic circle - people less likely to try it because no content on it,
No content on it because people don't play it

[tribal blade]

rogue is just a class in general nobody wants to play for some reason

and then it's a vicious cycle because then we get less dev time

[fiery fog]

I wonder why

[tribal blade]

which leads to less people wanting to play it

and so on and so forth

[fiery fog]

Outlaw has been a raid meme since forever

[dry flame]

It's sad, becuse thief/rogue is a fundamental fantasy archetype, but they've abandoned the pursuit of its fantasy potential.

We are also supposed to be trappers, but they gave it to the identity crisis class

[dusky yacht]

I used that in an arguement with dev dh in my guild and he said reroll I guess lmao, it's such a silly mentality that people have to justify this atrocious balancing

[fiery fog]

Rogue in general is/was either too complicated to just pick up and get results
Or just tuned poorly

[hard shard]

it's a tuning ball but for the same reasons my guild mates find rogue unbearable, I find its mechanics far more satisfying than any of the other classes. It's a love or hate relationship

[lilac stag]

it's a seasonal game

not silly in that regards

[harsh meadow]

Yeah I’m gonna be honest boys I went mage this xpac and its literally night and day

[fiery fog]

I made a dev dh (my first non rogue alt) and its crazy how much qol they have
May be an outlier but its still night and day

Its so intuitive to play as well

[harsh meadow]

Oh for sure dev right now is wanted by everyone and does sicko dps

[dusky yacht]

Then they should remove the classes that aren't meant to be played in that season instead of underpowering them like crazy tbh

[harsh meadow]

They need to fully and completely rework rogue like all 3 specs

[fiery fog]

Like their apex is literally „do what you would normally do but more damage… oh and you can cast you biggest dmg spell instantly in meta“

[dusky yacht]

Not that I would want that, I just wanna play Rogue, simple as that

[hexed wave]

aight homies, been watching pikas last video, looks like that cool smoke talent and healing increase to 8% main changes? don’t really see any crazy assa changes

[fiery fog]

Meanwhile we need to do weird optimisations just to get like 1% more dmg

[undone ridge]

^

[hexed wave]

rogue is the goat

[fiery fog]

Imagine our apex would he like the devourer one
Sectec always crits and its crit dam is increased

[somber sun]

should be

hood apex talent

[dusky yacht]

Then it would make sense with our stat prio

[somber sun]

ngl

[scenic relic]

I miss DF rogue :(

[shadow snow]

all of us do

[dry flame]

There were many better iterations than DF tho

[scenic relic]

2 button rotation is lame af

[lilac stag]

They don’t. That’s a gross over exaggeration.

This tier is bad for melee.
Our raid buff needs a lot of love.

Tuning and our lack of cleave dmg just compounded the already bad melee tier.

[fiery fog]

Id say df s3 was the most unique

Just because of dust my beloved

[harsh meadow]

Nothing to do with this tier, I have felt that way about rogue for a couple years now

[lilac stag]

then play something else

[harsh meadow]

I do ? Lol

[lilac stag]

Perfect

[undone ridge]

everything esle SHUCKKKS

[fiery fog]

Was it tww s3 where sub was really nice to play? (Just heard of it because i didnt play tww)

[harsh meadow]

Doesn’t mean I don’t love the class still

[graceful osprey]

I have my main sub rogue, an alt outlaw and an alt assassination am I insane?

[fiery fog]

Yeah
Why an outlaw

[hexed wave]

That’s how I farm molten core 😂

[shadow snow]

we actually need a raid buff that isnt optional for comps to work.

[onyx trail]

does the rouge bug for premed show up in raidbots? Like do I believe their numbers or is it diff ingame

[hexed wave]

Need a buff that gives the entire raid 1% evasion GG

[graceful osprey]

lol at least the crackshot thing is gone thank goodness

[fiery fog]

It would be good start if atrophic didnt last just 10 seconds after us hitting the boss

Like why is that even a thing

[dry flame]

Altlaw* Rogue

[dusky yacht]

Nah give us 3% crit or haste or both make us wanted

[dry flame]

And a tank spec

[hexed wave]

Way better

[fiery fog]

Rogue needs a ranged spec ngl
Throwing daggers and shit

[undone ridge]

XD

ninja shuriken type shi

[dry flame]

You're risking making any non-ranged spec obsolete

[somber sun]

dude im thinking about doing this, is it worth ? I really wanna have 2 separate toons for each spec

[fiery fog]

Like it is atm?

[dry flame]

Already exists

[undone ridge]

THE OG

bruhhhhhhhh

[hazy breach]

Why

[dry flame]

Uses daggers too

[shadow snow]

very niche, maybe 3% crit chance or damage or haste. Any of these would be cool. Or something like a hook that pulls mobs?

[undone ridge]

i used to love this card in HS lmao

[fiery fog]

I just thought of an easy fix for rogue

Give us back death from above in pve

Looking cool = everythings fine

[undone ridge]

im literally that tilted that i re-installed tekken

im playing fighting games this week

[dry flame]

SecTech was basically the replacement

That didn't kill us

[fiery fog]

Have both

[south kernel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fiery fog]

Sextech + death from above back to back supercharged

[undone ridge]

sextech is goated

[red flame]

That would be awesome tho ngl

I love DFA

& I mean they alr gave us Coup so why not yk

[undone ridge]

are re-rolls working now

anyone tried yet?

[fiery fog]

Blue post says yes

[swift tinsel]

Saw tweets saying no

[fiery fog]

[swift tinsel]

But didn’t look into it very hard

[dry flame]

I just sent my 2 on Chim yesterday, so I didn't encounter issues

[fiery fog]

Btw

It said

Items you get now cant be dupes

If you got one before the fix you may still get it as a dupe

[shadow snow]

perfect, cause i need a third belt

[gloomy loom]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[fiery fog]

Im still torn between rolling on chimaerus or pit

Pit has ring and neck for me
Chimaerus gaze and belt (got both on hero track)

[dusky yacht]

Broooo what is blizzard doing

Recraft still not fixed

They half fix the rerolls

Half of talents are bugged

[hollow quest]

Trust in chim

[fiery fog]

Now everyone can feel 1% of the pain we rogues have to endure every day

[fiery fog]

Uhhh
Kinda ass its a 2/4 roll because we cant disable that trinket

[hollow quest]

Ye I lost my 50/50 on the trinket

[fiery fog]

And the pit ring is hella sexy
We wont reclear alleria anytime soon so its also probably the best neck

Besides saladbar maybe but it has super low haste

[wintry heart]

I’m gonna get another fuckass belt from pit I can feel it

[swift tinsel]

I think uhdk might be the new boomkins

actual cringe shit

[fiery fog]

Dks when their class isnt top 3 specs in the game for 5 minutes

[sick epoch]

is the shadowblades energy cost intended? it was a talent when it did not cost any energy?

[native zodiac]

I mean tbh their current bugs are prob the worst ones so its fair

[swift tinsel]

apparently the commander fix didn't fix so they're in full meltdown mode

[vale pine]

sounds great

[fiery fog]

Buglety when

[spice kelp]

Is SB still bugged?

[wintry dock]

we have bugged talents rn?

gg

[fiery fog]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[foggy estuary]

Rn?

[wintry dock]

i just started rogue bro

no way its bugged

[foggy estuary]

F bro

[hollow quest]

[formal helm]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[sick epoch]

lol! XDDDD did not see that

is a joke to be 30 energy cost

[wintry dock]

nah dw paladin buff dropping 🔥

[sick epoch]

this can't take much longer tto fix

[spice kelp]

Sb uses distract which causes 30 energy to be used. Meaning if you macro Sectech into it you need to have 60 energy to use

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

[foggy estuary]

Macro sectec to dance and wonly worry about the bug 30 🙃

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[wintry dock]

https://tenor.com/view/4isnothere-gif-2063988287470807997

me on my worgen rn

wym i ist bugged gang

[winged anvil]

Nah, that creature has a tail. Def not a worgen

[shadow snow]

play something else

[wintry dock]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-payne-cry-baby-cry-baby-eating-sandwich-sad-gif-21117530

[spice kelp]

You would still need 60 energy insta for your big dps window to fit as many globals in as possible

[foggy estuary]

Yes, we also shouldnt worry about a bug intrusive to gameplay and factor in rotation gymnastics to do damage, but blizzard has AI doing coding and here we are🤷‍♂️

[shadow snow]

they are trying to be like microslop

[spice kelp]

Pooling 7 cp then waiting for 60 energy for the opener blows

[wintry dock]

nah we going crazy in these timewalking dungeons doe

https://tenor.com/view/minion-black-sofela-gif-2708655127650113706

[fiery fog]

Rogue leveling has to be some joke blizzard never bothered to fix

[slim stag]

Hey this anybody know why we expect out a premeditation because it feels like it's a DPS loss I'm new so I might just be dumb

[dusky yacht]

I wrote a feedback text in the blizz support thing in game about premed and deepening shadows, I'm almost convinced they don't even know about these things tbh.

[wintry dock]

this may be true

perhaps

99% of dmg

is auto

gg

[dry flame]

Well, if things like Implacable bugs that have been since beta(?), I doubt they will be putting resources.

[vale pine]

i wonder if bubble wax is still op in timewalking

[ornate lake]

Gamers any good 1:30 mythic plus trinket

[fiery fog]

Just have someone with a geared lvl 11 fury warrior run through TW like its nothing

[vale pine]

nope, try to get guidon

[foggy estuary]

Rogue has to be some joke blizzard never bothered to fix
fixed

[dusky yacht]

Well sure but I feel like if I write it to them then to me at least they don't have any excuse not to sort it out

Look at it as me copemaxxing

[ornate lake]

Or how much is a mythic first boss boost btw?

[wintry dock]

guys this is not good news for my new favorite class

rogue is good right...

[hollow quest]

Ty for your engagement

[wintry dock]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[foggy estuary]

Imagine people thats always been fav class 🫠

[ornate lake]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[hollow quest]

At least it’s fun

[wintry dock]

LOL

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-review-gta-87CKDqErVfMqY

[wintry dock]

sounds like a no

[vale pine]

for what its worth, first boss mythic is easy to pug even

[ornate lake]

Hopeful then

[hollow quest]

No class is really bad we just not perform as well as devourer

[lilac stag]

we are the upper end of the lower middle of dps

[fiery fog]

Noone does

[hollow quest]

Ik

[wintry dock]

LOL

[dry flame]

Like, they don't even "fix" stuff that they are releasing.
Idk if you've checked the Prop Hunt mode... Oof.
Not even just the bugs, but the design choices are just crazy bad

[wintry dock]

devour combo

[karmic harbor]

are bonus rolls actually fixed or no

[foggy estuary]

Dont mind me i love my rogue,i just like bit of banter🙃 rogue is bis fuck fake classes 🥷