subtlety

[west tide]

just u

[indigo wraith]

Shadowstrike + backstab x2-4 depend on combo point proc, im i doign something wrong ?

[tidal solstice]

yeh sorry i nmeant to remove the zero

[shrewd lantern]

yeah its an extra 3-4 seconds

[tidal solstice]

Crit > Haste* >> Vers >> Mastery.

[limber folio]

poggie

[hallow night]

i already built the muscle memory for shadowstrike->dance->blades->tech. i am fucking myself and doing tech on 3 combo points on opener 😿

[dense geode]

just take premed 😭

[exotic steeple]

Ephemeral bond?

[tidal solstice]

just go with premed

[shrewd lantern]

i feel i have to retrain muscle memory on sub opener

every season

so its highkey w/e

[tidal solstice]

thts what im doing. it delays things too much im finding and scuffs entire phases

[west tide]

congrats, unfortunately we are playing otl on lura

[dense geode]

deciding between premed and no premed is like choosing what race you want to play

[shrewd lantern]

|| the right one ||

[indigo wraith]

what talent you swap to take premed ?

[tidal solstice]

so we really can play outlaw with a mastery heavy set?

[shrewd lantern]

mastery heavy meaning jewelry

lmao

swap your rings

[west tide]

u want hella haste hella crit i think on outlaw

[shrewd lantern]

thats basically all of them now

tbh

[lusty root]

~25% haste for law rn

[violet palm]

The most annoying thing is pooling after backstabs to not screw smoke bomb/sectech

[tidal solstice]

gonna need neck upgrade from pit to swap mastery and then i can do the ring too

[west tide]

dude i can barely get fuckin 700

its over

haste flask 700

[dreamy sundial]

jesus what is that character screen

[shrewd lantern]

well he plays male elf

cant expect much

[exotic steeple]

Just get hero lura ring lul

[tidal solstice]

dracthyr

[dreamy sundial]

how can you tell

[west tide]

whats the crown mean

[shrewd lantern]

same thing

male dracthyr is an elf

[west tide]

we havent gotten aotc

we have not stepped foot in heroic quelthalas we on mythic belo

[tidal solstice]

chonky character sheet

[shrewd lantern]

omr not even an aotc gamer

shame

[west tide]

gonna get aotc and cutting edge at the same time

[dreamy sundial]

good, now I know to avoid it

[tidal solstice]

i pug and just got into a good guild and this wasnt my first character this season 😛

[west tide]

bro its not worth 2 days we gotta pick and choose

[dense geode]

if u want to play outlaw just play the law theres no hard requirement that holds you back

[shrewd lantern]

ngl you'd gain more dps racechanging to panda

than caring so much about mastery

💀

[tidal solstice]

i love glide way too much

for breaking knocks

[west tide]

panda

[shrewd lantern]

ngl the dps gain of panda is higher

than most people complaining about no prem

[tidal solstice]

idrgaf

[shrewd lantern]

🤣

[limber folio]

huh

[shrewd lantern]

knocks dont do much thankfully to rogues

bless step

[west tide]

there is propaganda that otl on lura the goat rn

[dense geode]

lmao hell nah

[west tide]

will we rise above or join the ranks

[limber folio]

tf is otl

[west tide]

outlaw

[limber folio]

vro

[west tide]

vro

[limber folio]

ive never seen

[shrewd lantern]

uber is too unc to play outlaw

[limber folio]

anyone abbreviate

[shrewd lantern]

[limber folio]

outlaw as otl

???

[west tide]

that might be just me thats possible

[limber folio]

bro is 6 letters

[open depot]

ulw for lura is kinda good

[limber folio]

i mean sub is 7 words but

[shrewd lantern]

What's the jpc meme again

[west tide]

otl looks cool tho

[shrewd lantern]

of if you're over x you cant play outlaw

[tidal solstice]

havent played outlaw since DF

it looks like trash to play now 🙁

[pine viper]

Does nebulous voidcore from vault vendor ignore the cap

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you get an extra

for a beans vault

[pine viper]

thats great then

[swift tinsel]

Only if you take it after you get your two regular ones, unless they fixed that

[pine viper]

Already got the 2 but thanks

[swift tinsel]

Saw that was bugged earlier

[shrewd lantern]

bugs

on patch day?

no way

[pine viper]

hoping for the 4/6 chance of upgrade from nexus

[swift tinsel]

Patch? On Bug Day?

[pine viper]

i ll kms if i hit the dagger

[swift tinsel]

(That’s every day)

[shrewd lantern]

i got the chest so i have 3/5 now ig

[bleak night]

well no

[shrewd lantern]

bad items being gloves or dagger

[bleak night]

your chance is still the same as it was

[shrewd lantern]

[bleak night]

because they cant make it work properly

[grim wasp]

what enchants are best on weapons? does it matter mh oh?

[lean arch]

Boys is sub dead

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

[pine viper]

arcane mastery and acuity of ren'dorei

I've seen people run double ren'dorei but i sim these two better

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[round widget]

Yea feels terrible, pretty sure I’m taking premed tonight

[shrewd lantern]

thats the one public log

[vital flax]

Im at 726 haste unbufgfed and still absolutly unable to fit 2 sectec in blades am i doing something wrong???

[shrewd lantern]

lil send into first add spawn

[still gazelle]

Mastery too low for m+?

[round widget]

Your second dance is in first add spawn anyway

[pine viper]

do u have guidon?

[round widget]

If you pop on pull

[vital flax]

no

[shell relic]

its normal shadow blades use energy?

[pine viper]

you can only do that with guidon

[vital flax]

ohhhhhh

[pine viper]

I also dont have it but i have heart of wind trinket which sometimes triggers

im able to fit 2 every now and then

[lucid jackal]

bugged

[queen egret]

Yeah im running Heart and the Beloar trinket

[pine viper]

(dont run heart of wind it feels so bad)

[shrewd lantern]

its a feature

[shell relic]

i think that

[queen egret]

Because I hate puzzle box

[pine viper]

I run puzzle and heart

[queen egret]

It's not bad it has like 50% uptime

[fossil forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[queen egret]

I fkin hate puzzle box

Puzzle box can eat sht

[pine viper]

I only use it cuz i got a myth puzzle box from vault

[fossil forge]

Puzzy 🅱️

[pine viper]

yet to see guidon or the gaze of blabla even drop

i killed them 8 times or something each hc/mythic

[queen egret]

I don't mythic raid so

Heart is my guidon

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but you cant control the proc

[somber sun]

gotta find the closest casino while the buff is still on

you were right bro

[queen egret]

Yeah but I don't mythic raid so my myth heart will always be vs a hero guidon

[pine viper]

do you guys reckon hero guidon is better than myth puzzle box

[shrewd lantern]

myth puzzlebox

probably

[mellow arrow]

This is the problem I have been having with Dance
When you leave a Dance that is extended by The First Dance your Dance stays on CD for another 2-3 seconds as if you were still in the Dance window

I have the same CD being longer than Dance thing without The First Dance talent but obviously since you delay the 2nd dance it's fine
Has anyone else noticed / run into this? It sounded like maybe @tribal herald was, but unsure if this is the same thing they were running into

[queen egret]

Myth puzzle box myth heart is probably my endgame

[undone grove]

guys is everyone playing without premed now? popping cds at like 8s in is so cncer no?

[west tide]

pug it bro

[shrewd lantern]

i mean im ok with it

[pine viper]

it is but if u get lucky with an auto attack its more like 5 seconds

[west tide]

yes im dying

[pine viper]

since you can do 1 less backstab

[undone grove]

😭

[grim wasp]

are we this bad? dont have meters on

[pine viper]

it does feel weird tho

[west tide]

we are great rn

[somber sun]

dude I swear it so bad with puzzle box

everything feels clunky

[hazy breach]

Then dont

[undone grove]

thats what im saying

[shrewd lantern]

the only weird part is it being a 2min

[exotic steeple]

which one is the r2 ?

[somber sun]

just got guidon boss, wont be a problem anymore

[pine viper]

@queen egret you can pug for guidon

that boss dies in 1-2 pulls

[exotic steeple]

we have omega luck that our bis trinkets are 1st boss and a single boss

y

[queen egret]

Yeah that's fair maybe I'll work on getting that

[exotic steeple]

if i stay premed, i swap ephermal bond?

[shrewd lantern]

i swear people can't read the pins

[worthy timber]

Any reccomendations on best use of bonus rolls? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rXB5bArhsERXdzbM63iadF

[dense geode]

do a droptimzer

[stuck lance]

question in aoe mastery is stronger but is that only when we use the black powder talent?

[empty bobcat]

me too, but now I got mythic feather too, what do 🙁

[pine viper]

I have no idea maybe run the feather for a bit see how double sectec feels

[empty bobcat]

its doable with 700 haste?

[summer edge]

sucks ass

[pine viper]

probably... not sure

[empty bobcat]

box still better for M+ right

[fossil forge]

ss backstab vanish strike

goated

[empty bobcat]

running both makes no sense right

[pine viper]

dont be doing that

[queen egret]

Yeah I was using bonus rolls to get myth ember wing feather and got fkin heart instead

[shy flare]

It’s in the pins but without guidon you need 800 haste to get off two sec techs in blades

[prisma ibex]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[random mason]

just use the extra roll to get it

ezpz

[pine viper]

I rolled the chest piece which is still an upgrade but next week its 1/3

😭

[random mason]

next week is 50/50

you cant roll chest again

oh no wait we got the shit trinket

[exotic steeple]

is it wise to use bonus roll on guidon if i alr got it on champ track?

[scenic linden]

they gonna tell u, to sim it

[exotic steeple]

or send to replace low ilvl gear

[random mason]

i just gotta gaslight my loot council to give me the next guidon

over the UH DKs

surely they're not bug fixed next week

[shrewd lantern]

i wonder how devourers feel

[brazen stone]

how many crafted pieces are we supposed to have

[shrewd lantern]

considering their opener is the same button

like 10x

[spice matrix]

They do 6 million damage so I don’t think they care

[shrewd lantern]

just pull from vault

[vale vault]

271k max

[shrewd lantern]

using a bonus roll on windrunner is a choice

4 bad trinkets

[spice matrix]

Consume spam til 100 fury does suck though

[empty bobcat]

hm just simmed it, not worth going for mythic guidon with mythic ember

[shrewd lantern]

one decent pair of pants

[empty bobcat]

guidon is only nice cuz of synched CD I guess

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i mean if we had murder row in this rotation

we'd just play that on use

[empty bobcat]

its lietrally 1k sim difference for me

[shrewd lantern]

probably

[random mason]

i just killed it today

gonna get a 2nd one in vault I'm sure

[oblique skiff]

Am i going crazy, if you stack supercharger before a pull your Shadowstrike wont apply any combo points.

[tepid trellis]

first ive heard of it

u might be going delulu mode

[wanton pond]

question why does puzzle box sim so much higher than gaidon its really annoying when im simming items to get

as its screaming at me to get that constantly lol

even tho i already have it lol

[empty bobcat]

single target?

[wanton pond]

yeah

st

raid spec correct stats

everything

[stuck lance]

does mastery take over on aoe in general or only whhen using potent powder?

[hazy breach]

Link it, seems unlikely

[empty bobcat]

ember sims higher than box for me in ST

[wanton pond]

just redoing it rn

[hazy breach]

Just get guidon

[wanton pond]

my guidon is only normal tbf

i lost about 6 rolls on it already in heroic

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fkDMXG1z4FirVbsYMidNKx

even when i do an actual sim it sims higher

[hazy breach]

Oh well yeah 26 ilvls is a lot

[oblique skiff]

@tepid trellis just looking at multiple logs, and it seems like it is only applying 2 combo points and having to backstab or vanish to even get to max before using cds

[hazy breach]

Well yeah

Because you dont have premed specced

[wanton pond]

i thought it was prob just a ilvl dif

[tepid trellis]

no premed would do that to a guy

[shrewd lantern]

not simming the new build

[empty bobcat]

not even worth

[frail kindle]

It’s just shadow strike only generating 2 cps

[hexed basalt]

I have a question that's bugging me out

[frail kindle]

And your 2 supercharged cps are covering it up

[hazy breach]

Would recommend topgear

[manic salmon]

just bonus rolled a myth puzzlebox

[hexed basalt]

idk if I'm fucking tripping or shadow dance is bugged

[manic salmon]

#win

[wanton pond]

i have premed

what u on about

[empty bobcat]

no idea if it changes with 4s cuz I am missing 1 piece

[manic salmon]

pins

[lilac stag]

#loss

[hazy breach]

Yeah it definitely does

[hexed basalt]

u mean the past bug

or new one if it is a bug

[wanton pond]

u mean that i assume ?

[hazy breach]

the premed thing wasnt aimed at you

[wanton pond]

oh ok

fair 🤣

i got confused

[hexed basalt]

so basically with this patch im doing the normal rotation and when im about to pop up the second shadow dance there's a huge fucking delay

even bigger than second shadowstrike+shadowdance

so you had to shuriken storm

[hazy breach]

Heard other people mention it but havent experienced it, maybe try relogging or something?

Idk

[lilac stag]

glad to see we the a 6% buff and more burst we’re still securely in the lower middle

[hexed basalt]

ill try, if it persists imma record a video

[hardy sun]

!log

[shrewd lantern]

another ddh buff? yes

[twin quartz]

I’ve noticed that too where when my first shadow dance drops it feels really unresponsive to hit the second

[manic salmon]

why would it be a loss...

[lilac stag]

Puzzle box is a 2 minute trinket. We’re a 90 second spec. If that shit makes you happy. Good for you!

[frank wolf]

Youre also running no scruples instead of cloud cover

[hexed basalt]

nah it is fucking bugged as hell

imma record it

im not crazy

[manic salmon]

it does not make me happy, however, the bot says it's way better than guidon right now (:

so yeah, i'm happy

[lilac stag]

[wanton pond]

isnt that the new talent lol

[north garnet]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fading whale]

yeah i think i got it aswell

sometimes just wont go off

[velvet jay]

Isn't that because it costs 30 energy?

[manic salmon]

that were my thoughts exactly

[fading whale]

Dance not blades

[wanton pond]

question actually what does the new talent do il swap to it now for m+ and raid right??

[frank wolf]

Indubitably so, thorfinn. New hero talent talent

[velvet jay]

cloud cover costs 30 energy but it doesn't show

[harsh gale]

do i BP two targets

[velvet jay]

ah

[wanton pond]

yeah i didnt update my talents for today ty i swap it over lol

[hearty belfry]

how much dps loss for taking premeditation

[twin quartz]

About a percent

[frank wolf]

It sets down a cloud of smoke when you use shadow blades that applies debuffs to enemies hit within that makes you do more damage

[wanton pond]

sounds like a dps increase to me 🤣

[cyan quiver]

is the new ST build on ping the best actualy ? Feel it strange after testing

[stuck arrow]

100% the best.

6% better than previous.

[wanton pond]

are the rest of my talents for raid ok lol

[real panther]

seriously that smoke thing is trash. if the raid moves, you just leave behind you 10% of your dps lol

[wanton pond]

im always worried my ralents are completly wrong lol

[frank wolf]

Fair warning its currently bugged and makes your shadow blades cost 30 energy because the game tries casting distraction because the developers are just a babee 🥺

[hearty belfry]

fuck it im not playing without premed

[wanton pond]

sounds fun]

[frank wolf]

You have a grace period, it doesnt wear off the second you move out. Its like death and decay

[real panther]

they should have call it "Fart cover"

[wanton pond]

why wouldnt u use premed

isnt that like kind of an op talent lol

[real panther]

you fart, raid moves, that stink

[hearty belfry]

read the pins

[south kernel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upbeat cradle]

wat dis

[twin quartz]

Comfort picks aren’t the worst thing if it makes your play better. It’s a pretty small diff to play premed

[real panther]

yeah, i know

[hearty belfry]

but basically premed shadowstrike can't proc clones which now do massive damage

[hexed basalt]

this is a fucking joke

a fucking sick joke

[exotic steeple]

if u dont wanna spend 11 secs before sending go premed

[hexed basalt]

i thought i was crazy in raid today

[tidal solstice]

d

[upbeat cradle]

oh ok

[wanton pond]

while this new talent is extremly cool wouldnt this be hella annoying during a fight lol

[hexed basalt]

i changed shadow dance just to press it in 1

[neat sonnet]

How much of crit you guys runnin rn ? im at 1000 but i feel its not enough

[upbeat cradle]

i was wondering why i never saw that before

[hexed basalt]

so u can see

only pressing 1

[upbeat cradle]

can I leave the raid and keep the debuff ?

[grave girder]

imma say it.. none premed opener is like raking my balls on barbwire

[sweet moss]

man just had an openenr where i had to use 5 backstabs before 7 combo points on openner...

[frank wolf]

Good meme

[quick sable]

Guys what do they mean upgrade weapon on the pins? Is it better to upgrade the Vorasius dagger (which i dnt have a mythic) than upgrading the crafted ones?

[grave girder]

Crawl to 7 combo points and then be forced to wait for 60 energy

[frank wolf]

Not at all, you’ll see in practice the cloud is massive and the grace period is forgiving

[hexed basalt]

guys please look at my video T_T

[hazy breach]

Vanish

[twin quartz]

To me its only a tilter if I have a coup ready on my second dance, but I do notice it

[wanton pond]

also i refuse to swap off premed

it sounds like utter woke nonsense

[hexed basalt]

it justs doesn't let you press it

[frank wolf]

Upgrade prio:
myth dagger > myth craft dagger> nothing

[hexed basalt]

you press it and it does nothing

until 1 second later

[livid frigate]

Is 18% haste enough or should I go back to 20% ?

[velvet jay]

What should I see

[hexed basalt]

first dance ends

[hazy breach]

Idk you also dont really want to be pressing it there either

[hexed basalt]

and im blasting

shadow dance

[wanton pond]

are u using crit flask now ??

[hexed basalt]

should go insta

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[frank wolf]

Stop worrying abt percents, breakpoint is 700

[quick sable]

Does the upgrade turn thm 298 both? Or the raid dagger better cause its 298 and the crafted will be less?

[hexed basalt]

no but, yesterday was fine i changed nothing

[sweet moss]

ah okay

[frank wolf]

Yep, but sim - my crit is low i do it to compensate

[sweet moss]

so if u get scuffed u vanish on oepenr now

lol

[frank wolf]

Raid 298 craft 294

[livid frigate]

Okay no worries I guess I got go back cause I only have 624 atm where before I had over 700

[wanton pond]

i have 564 crit

il sim the flask tho yeah

[twin quartz]

I wonder if the delay occurs when your shadow dance is, for instance, 8.5 seconds and it locks you out until 9 for the next

[frank wolf]

You have much more than me

[hexed basalt]

thats not the point, I have a macro for s.dance+shuriken storm that went INSTANT yesterday

[frank wolf]

[hexed basalt]

i have the same gear guys

same talents

[wanton pond]

i have a crit heavy ring

[hazy breach]

But im fairly sure the reason is that youre not getting the extension on guidon on your first dance, but for some reason the game still prevents you from dancing until the extended dance ran out

As your dance is only ~7 seconds

[hexed basalt]

I swear they've broke the fucking game with 12.0.5 like they always do

[frank wolf]

Its happening because something something addons something new patch something ex machina

[hexed basalt]

ik what u talking, let me do it again

ill record

ik deepening shadows thing

[stable plume]

Yeah idk what it is but sometimes I press shadow dance and it doesn’t go off

[sweet moss]

what will vanish do

[stable plume]

Since new patch, mighta just been lag last night tho

[hazy breach]

No you just vanish in the opener

Give you more energy and more cp

[sweet moss]

i see okay

damn

ty

[manic salmon]

why does upgrading my puzzle box give me -1k dps

[sweet moss]

right after SS?

[spice matrix]

it is 6:32 EST and shadowblades still costs 30 energy

[sweet moss]

strike*

[frank wolf]

Nooooo eleem do not abbreviate combo points!!!!!!

[hexed basalt]

💀

[hazy breach]

Idk hard to tell without you linking it

[wanton pond]

damn even so crit flask is simming 200 dps more lol

guess il swap

[manic salmon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oW98WqoVWykucEHoPeWATf

[cosmic sparrow]

Why did sub stat prio change?

[sweet moss]

differnet talents^

[manic salmon]

just simmed guidon -> puzzlebox at 289 and accidentally left in

[frank wolf]

Talent changes interact with crit

[manic salmon]

285 selected

[cosmic sparrow]

Dope, now gear works for Sin and Sub

[sweet moss]

Eleem in oppenenr when would u vanish, instantly after first shadow strike?

[twin quartz]

I haven’t decided if I’m using a mastery flask on dragons/paladins or a crit flask

[fossil forge]

Pls dm If you find a fix

Ive been losing my mind over this

[hexed basalt]

RIGHT?

[twin quartz]

You’re definitely not crazy. I’ve noticed this as well

[frank wolf]

I just watched the video

[fossil forge]

@warm marlin

[frank wolf]

Holy monkaS

[fossil forge]

Ts on vid gng

[manic salmon]

Holy wtf

[frank wolf]

Do you have shadow dance macro’d?

Buddys dps disintegrated before my very eyes

[hexed basalt]

it seems to be more heavily delayed with just sd

and not as much with storm macro

[twin quartz]

What if you make a macro with just dance

[frank wolf]

Wait so it works better with the macro?

Wtf

[dusky yacht]

Can we go one hour without finding another new rogue bug

[quick sable]

Does the weapon need to be mythic tier to upgrade to 298? Or it works for heroic dagger too?

[frank wolf]

Mythic

[quick sable]

So it basically gives +9 ilvl l. Got it

[wanton pond]

we all using that on a weapon right ?

imagine using it on a trinket

couldnt be me

[fossil forge]

Playing around with it and stech macro seems to activate dance

[frank wolf]

Mainhand > gaze > guidon > offhand

[fossil forge]

But naked dance does nit want to activate

For 0

[wanton pond]

i have mythic pit dagger

do i use it for that or wait for raid one

[dusky yacht]

In your mainhand?

[frank wolf]

Must be nice bud not all of us are so fortunate

[wanton pond]

well it will be when its maxed yeah lol

[frank wolf]

Very insensitive of you

[wanton pond]

i got it today

from vault

[fossil forge]

pit dagger better than vorasius dagger

[wanton pond]

thought so so yeah il use it on that lol

[hexed basalt]

so let's me get this straight guys, we all know guildeon trick, if I give a LOT of space for deepening shadows, the bug doesn't happen, it's not delayed, if I do it insta = fucked up

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but you just use the one you get first

[wanton pond]

i got the academy crit heavy ring today

[hexed basalt]

thing is, I prob did 248737547 rotations before patch

[wanton pond]

in myth

[hexed basalt]

and it didn't happen

[wanton pond]

thats a good ring no

[dusky yacht]

This patch is so vibecoded

[hexed basalt]

before I could do the all in one macro with sb pot guildeon, and i didnt had that delay

now I do

idk man idk

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-computer-mcsPU3SkKrYDdW3aAU

[quick sable]

Will it not be better then for people who dont mythic raid to just find a mythic tier dagger and upgrade that to 298??

[frank wolf]

indubitably

[hazy breach]

Ah ic theres an issue where it ends up not checking it correctly because its in slot 2. Small oversight with the update to the puzzlebox APL

[hexed basalt]

we can't have a buff without a bug

: )

[manic salmon]

i c i c

[brisk onyx]

cloud energy bug still alive?

[manic salmon]

it's been 48 hours yes it's still alive

[short radish]

Hey dont worry as per tradition the uhdk bug has been fixed

Mid week

[hearty belfry]

The distract bug got fixed? I don't see it happening

[manic salmon]

i mean i just LOVE the fact that premeditation for some reason doesnt work with AA

[sacred gull]

I saw some people having an issue with delayed shadow dance like me, I am using a macro SD + castsequence shadow strike, could it be the issue ?

Also am I crazy or today I saw an AOE blind like early midnight before fix ?

[hallow mortar]

i wonder if the do anything with devourer or not 😄 but there is so many things going wrong with this patch that nefing soemone propably not prio

[manic salmon]

OH ITS 30 ENERGY CUZ IT THROWS A DISTRACT BOMB

HAHAH

[frank wolf]

It hasnt, not for me at least

[brisk onyx]

wowhead didn't even bother to report on it

[hexed basalt]

it still does, check it now

[hearty belfry]

Does it happen only if shadow blades can be used?

[short radish]

I've never hated squishi more (i dont hate him please dont flame him)

[frank wolf]

If you cast blades with <30 energy, it doesnt drop smoke bomb

[hallow mortar]

yeah i mentioned it couple times today, seems like nobody care about rogue as usual 😄

[hexed basalt]

they didn't care since df

[stuck arrow]

<30 energy.

Croc eats the bigger number.

[shrewd lantern]

NA education system

at work

[frank wolf]

my fault prof brainfart

[lilac stag]

24 hours

[hallow mortar]

getting to 60 energy after backstab soup at pull feel like forever no cap

i dont really like opener

[hearty belfry]

? Am I doing something wrong? Do I have to be in combat?

[lilac stag]

24:46 to be precise

[shy ferry]

haste trinket did not get fixed right?

[hallow mortar]

but since im on alleria now, it do not really matter

[hearty belfry]

Wait nevermind

[hazy breach]

What

[shrewd lantern]

this is fine

no idea what you mean

[hearty belfry]

It consumes energy

[lilac stag]

What is there to fix?

[shy ferry]

it doesnt apply to SD if you macro them

[hearty belfry]

The >30 energy threw me off lol

[hexed basalt]

clearly says "it's still rechaaargin" idk

[lilac stag]

That’s not getting fixed.

[hearty belfry]

It was supposed to be <30 energy I guess

[shy ferry]

it really should lmao, its clearly not intended

[lilac stag]

The trinket has an animation. It is intended.

[manic salmon]

there's a whole ass spreadsheet with unintended bugs

[lilac stag]

Deepening has a delay.

[hallow mortar]

they were looking at that trinket haste stuff, but no fix

[lilac stag]

That’s their behaviors.

[somber sun]

during shadow dance when capping on combo points ( + shadow techniques ), is it better to always add a shadowstrike to force an apex talent proc or just consume the points directly ?

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[shrewd lantern]

i need to find out how ryldd gets like almost 300k

on egg burn

[hallow mortar]

just ask him

[shy ferry]

it is not intended, they've said its not

[fossil forge]

gaze obtained, getting subbed in for alleria i just need to pass my finals tmrw for the most goated weeknd

[lilac stag]

Who is they?

[shrewd lantern]

he talked to the rogue dev

(its one intern)

[hazy breach]

Double on-use, but also the 290k he did was before .5

[craggy quail]

damn

[lilac stag]

Let me have my fun here. Seriously.

[hearty belfry]

omfg I just saw it if you have less than 30 energy the smoke bomb doesn't go off

[shrewd lantern]

[hearty belfry]

Fuck you blizzard

[lilac stag]

[shrewd lantern]

....do people not notice

[hollow compass]

surely puzzle box is better for beloren, no?

[swift tinsel]

Only dk bugs get fixed insta

[frank wolf]

guys dont worry wowhead is on it!

[shrewd lantern]

the giant smoke cloud on the floor

[lilac stag]

maybe Thursday this place will be back to normal.

[frank wolf]

dk is bugged! buff unholy.

[manic salmon]

sim 40 seconds

see what it comes up withg

[shrewd lantern]

i have a normal puzzlebox

[hexed basalt]

did u simmed the different pre pots? light's potential still the best or

[shrewd lantern]

i dont have that option

[manic salmon]

option for a 40s sim?

[frail kindle]

There’s a crit effectiveness primary stat gem right

[hazy breach]

Idk if you play well the energy cost thing is irrelevant besides non-BL opener

[hollow compass]

i was hitting 260 last night with puzzle box, and i wasnt running the rotten

[shrewd lantern]

lmao if a champ pb simmed higher

[hazy breach]

Yes

[shrewd lantern]

i'd be impressed

over a myth guidon

[hexed basalt]

yes but they said isn't worth

[hollow compass]

i have normal guidon and heroic pb so

[hazy breach]

YYe but its piss weak

[frail kindle]

Oh ok

[hazy breach]

Or like

Its fine, sims the same as the other one

[manic salmon]

0.15% per gem meanwhile you get 1% per ring enchant

[lilac stag]

It does for my assa setup

[shrewd lantern]

you can barely hit the gem count nowadays doesnt it

[hazy breach]

But it requires you to get 4 different gems

[hexed basalt]

i dont even think even full gems geared sims better with that

[hazy breach]

And is a hassle

For no reason

[frank wolf]

Im trying unsuccessfully to replicate your video

is it possible its a you thing

[sacred gull]

Blind is now AOE or it's unwanted change ?

[manic salmon]

it's aoe on purpose

[hexed basalt]

it may be, but I swear I'm doing the exact same thing as yesterday and it's different today

[hazy breach]

If you spec into the talent that makes it AoE it is now AoE yes

[hexed basalt]

I even got more haste from myth guideon

[frank wolf]

maybe its an addon thing? that sounds symptomatic of bricked addons?

what if you do a full disable attempt

[manic salmon]

elvui

[hallow mortar]

i was suprised how many sub logs popped on paladins today, were they thinking sub actually good there now

[obsidian crag]

how much dps you guys at 280 ilvl get at patchwerk 5 min optmial raid buffs?

103k here, i think its kinda low imo,

wanna check hows u doing

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vEpdGhrsAerW4wvmeRrk5M

[hollow compass]

normal guidon and heroic pb are basically identical for me on a 40 second sim

[short radish]

Dps isn't an issue anymore or something

[hexed basalt]

idk man game is fucking bricked rn XD

[short radish]

And people are reclear

[lilac stag]

drop whatever is creating your cp and use default ui. See if it’s still there.

[manic salmon]

ayup

[dull sierra]

They already fixed the dk bug, so our bug was fixed too, right? 🙂

[manic salmon]

yup

[hexed basalt]

I'll do

[hallow mortar]

true but i still prefer playing better one

[sacred gull]

Ok thx, and about the bug with delayed shadow dance, I get it too, I am using a macro castsequence: one tap SD and second tap shadow strike, could it be related ?

[lilac stag]

Enable the portrait CP. not the Personal bar

[frank wolf]

just disable all addons and try it, slowly re-introducing each time

nexusmods method

[obsidian crag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[harsh gale]

do i bp two targets

[stuck arrow]

I'm at 105700

No gaze tho

[hexed basalt]

same result with all addons off, I need to force delaying guideon so hard

[shrewd lantern]

108k last sim i ran

[hexed basalt]

but like im telling u, last patch I was pressing all in one macro and didnt happen

weird

[open fulcrum]

281 ilvl here
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oN3Xext9886XbL4BXja8Ve

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

[frank wolf]

yeah thats insane

bro mods can we pull a hammer of wrath please

[queen egret]

Don't need weapons, need trinkets. It at least has one good trinket and one okay trinket and I got the okay one

[frank wolf]

and shut the discord down - its the meta for forcing bug fixes and class changes

[hazy breach]

[lilac stag]

Show logs with macro press

[hazy breach]

Theres no good trinkets in windrunner

[dusky yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1320599387566506065/1326573955774939277/media-iv-text.gif

[queen egret]

Feather sims pretty high

[open fulcrum]

by the way does anyone knows why do the sim tells me to socket crit/haste gems when I literally have haste as my lowest stat? Is it because of the breakpoint?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oN3Xext9886XbL4BXja8Ve

stats weight (I know not accurate but still wanted to check) :
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o4ruV8JZKeNHoFKhxsPP7J

[queen egret]

If you aren't getting myth guidon

[plain gale]

Boys do we know number wise if sub is currently stronger or weaker tha outlaw in both m+ and raid?

[hexed basalt]

u gonna make log?😭😭

[lilac stag]

No. Post a log that had you using all in one macro

[hexed basalt]

oh ye from raid I can send

[stuck arrow]

Why not just get myth guidon lol.

Puggable AF and good chance no one else want the trinket.

[sacred shell]

Pretty sure outlaw is stronger in raid especially with cleave

[queen egret]

Because I just don't do mythic raid and that same logic means I can just get the drop as opposed to bonus rolling

[lilac stag]

all rogues still shit. Play what you vibe with.

[sage pond]

There’s no chance no one else rolls in pugs

[queen egret]

Puzzle box and heart will do me fine for now

[lilac stag]

Trickster outlaw is worse than DS sub.

[queen egret]

I can try getting mythic raid trinkets later

[stuck arrow]

That's fair but like. Still.

[lilac stag]

Cursed gameplay

[gilded jungle]

Na! We are just stuck in premabeta!

[stuck arrow]

Big dam, sin style button pressing lol.

[stuck lance]

outlaw is better raw dmg but sub i think can do more to help with priorities

[hexed basalt]

nevermind I don't think I can send u, I was doing it manually today since I was paranoid

💀

[lilac stag]

You’re got no raid logs with you using trinket in a macro?

[hexed basalt]

I've got, but I wasn't using the macro since I was fucking tripping

[plain gale]

Guess this works on raid, but in M+ outlaw just deals more damage then

[hexed basalt]

I've noticed it when I logged in early today

[lilac stag]

Yeah shadow blades not the only thing up in smoke.

[stuck lance]

true not denying that but gives them both a niche

[sage pond]

No sub deals more in m+ generally

[hexed basalt]

[short radish]

also gz king. we are all free today

[hexed basalt]

imma log just for u scath

[lilac stag]

Ret paladin main?

[hexed basalt]

raventhold leads you to dirty paths..

[short radish]

bro

im so fuckign back

[hallow mortar]

i was thinking i was padding on orbs dragon boss

[short radish]

i got absolutely juiced with gear last night

[stuck arrow]

You free too? Am I the last rogue without gaze zzzz

[lilac stag]

I don’t need to see it now. Unless you have some log showing the macro working you were just on a bad trip.

[plain gale]

Does it? I'm asking questions because I genuinely dont know and I'm considering a rogue alt, but I dont know what to play between outlaw and sub

[short radish]

If you are asking this question then the only correct answer is "play whatever you enjoy the most"

[hazy breach]

You do you, but any version of guidon should generally be better than feather. And heart 289 sims about the same as the crucible you get from renown 7 with the voidzone

[fiery fog]

im still torn between bonus rolling chim or pit lmao

[hexed basalt]

nah bro only thing I am on is caffeine and cigs

[hearty belfry]

Any idea why sim is recommending 774 haste?

[fiery fog]

still got time until they fix the dupe bug lol

[lilac stag]

No guidon

[sage pond]

Outlaw has way less burst and in anything lower than the highest keys you want more burst to do higher dmg overall because packs die quicker

[stuck arrow]

You have guidon? Without you want 800 haste

[hearty belfry]

guidon?

[lilac stag]

I wonder how many more “CAN YOU SPECULATE ABOUT MY SIM” questions we can get in the next 24 hours.

[stuck arrow]

First raid boss trinket

[hearty belfry]

oh the trinket

[plain gale]

I know, but I honestly haven't played enough of both to have a favourite one, so for now I'm looking at damage to weight that with gameplay in the next weeks

[hearty belfry]

I have the feather thing from WS isn't that functionally the same?

[sage pond]

Sub is a king in 10s and 12s

[tepid trellis]

120vs90sec trinket

so not really

[stuck arrow]

I'd prefer if you speculated on how I'd answer your question here, tbh.

[short radish]

your question is still too vague to give an actual response. honestly you should hit some dummies. see which rotation you vibe with most and then play that

[hazy breach]

Its literally half as good. Because you only get to use it every 3 minutes instead of every 90s

[hearty belfry]

Oh fuck of course shadow blades is a 90 sec cd

Im dumb

[lilac stag]

90 second spec + 2 minute trinket = shit

play a passive over it and get 800 haste

[left ledge]

ok ngl

im really confused by sims now

[eternal abyss]

I’m playing with Puzzlebox since day one of season release…
Busting my ass to get Gudion, but no luck.
Tomrrow I’m gonna use my rolls on 1st boss :/

[left ledge]

i thought mastery was still decent

this shit HATES mastery

[lilac stag]

WS wants mastery. PE wants crit

[hazy breach]

Ye but once you add more targets, and especially when you add PP

Suddenly mastery is insano

[hearty belfry]

It's still recommending the 2min feather even with close to 800 haste tho

[left ledge]

im talking ST

i guess

[wanton pond]

when should u use 2nd dance in blades

i cant remember

[hazy breach]

Yeah for all the pure ST fights

[hazy breach]

!blades

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[wanton pond]

ty

[left ledge]

is mastery better for burst though

[stuck arrow]

Honestly it's not a terrible bonus roll. Helm / boots / trinket.

Not really a bad outcome there

[hearty belfry]

Is this for trickster only or just in general?

[wanton pond]

is it the same with aoe ?

[eternal abyss]

Helm already have, but boots is an upgrade and of course Trinket is the lottery win.

[wanton pond]

i assume so

[sage pond]

But it’s 2m+ rolls for 1 raid roll and sucks if you don’t get trinket

[lilac stag]

I ran through this earlier while trying to see how big of a loss each talent was. WS was a decent amount higher favoring Mastery. PE really wants the crit.

[sage pond]

I’d not roll first mythic boss

[left ledge]

i see

it seems like WS is more consistent then

[eternal abyss]

I have no chance of getting it otherwise. It’s my best bet. My RL wont give it to me for sure

[hollow trench]

If i bonus roll beloren is the item 282?

anyone know?

[left ledge]

yes

its same as vault option

[hollow trench]

ok good shit

[lethal thorn]

anyone know if theres a hotfix for the bonus roll giving dupe in m+

[left ledge]

actually that makes me wonder...

if you bonus roll earlier mythic but have 282 vault unlocked

does it drop 282

[sage pond]

Not yet

[lilac stag]

In sims rotten + premed+ws and mastery over crit was closest I could get to no premed + pe + rotten (higher sim)

[hollow trench]

ye I think im only gonna roll alleria and beloren

[left ledge]

i see ok

because my mastery is actually piss low

i have 443 mastery

[lilac stag]

When I get to pc I’ll send you info

[left ledge]

1000 crit

and it still dont care about mastery

[lilac stag]

900crit
600mas

[left ledge]

you know whats crazy

i have 730 haste

[lilac stag]

Is where I was at

[left ledge]

and i gave it a perfect item to lose ~60 haste

and gain ~60 mastery

not lose crit

and it still chose to not go for mastery??

[lilac stag]

do you have m gaze?

[left ledge]

NO

[lilac stag]

I think that’s why

[left ledge]

what

[lilac stag]

Partially

[left ledge]

whats that gotta do with it

[lilac stag]

no fucking clue but as soon as I had it on mastery was better again.

to the point I started looking at wtf was going on

[left ledge]

[lilac stag]

then I started down the how to I take premed and not hate life

[outer rivet]

in this patch why do we take Ephemreal bond over Premeditation, the opener feels kinda wonky with not haveing max combo points from the get go, or maybe im playing the spec completly wrong

[lilac stag]

let me go change my diabetic shit and I’ll send you what I was messing with

[waxen viper]

i think the sim's might be drunk guys, use puzzle box in single target and then guidon in m+ this makes no sense
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rQ4fKxsEedPfsMy1Xt88XK
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3UeFDz5dgTnq2yQWbSPCAD

[left ledge]

it is more damage to spend the sht stacks on strike than a refund

[frank wolf]

any1 else still running warning signs instead of PE :DDDDDD

[left ledge]

because of rotten, you want your early strikes to hit hard

premed will make your first strike unable to use apex

ugh man

even with mythic gaze

this shit does NOT LIKE MASTERY

wtf

[outer rivet]

hmm how will the opener look like then, im just too used to shadowstike and get full combo points from the start

[left ledge]

you backstab to full

or if you're like me

you just send at 2 cp

[near hemlock]

SS not giving full combo points is tiilting me haha

[west tide]

where the rules at i need to learn

[near hemlock]

i keep accidently sending at 2 cp

[west tide]

im just playin like the old way rn

tryna do more egg dam

[sweet moss]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[errant totem]

how much dps do you lose to take premed this gameplay feels awful even in keys

[left ledge]

you play the exact same you just dont play premed i think

but taking premed is only like 0.5% loss

[west tide]

rotation the same we up

[left ledge]

or something tiny

yeah plays the exact same

[west tide]

i got up to 280k on belo burn

[left ledge]

yeah same

[west tide]

im tryna find MORE

[left ledge]

but some russian rogue got to like

316k

idek how

[west tide]

it was like hella crits

too

i had like 80% crits

[frank wolf]

you'll find that you arent able to !aa nearly as much

[left ledge]

and he did not crit that much..

he had like 40% crit

316k

[frank wolf]

especially if you arnt runnig WS

[outer rivet]

if its not that much of a damage loss imma play with pred fak it

[left ledge]

i really dont know how

[west tide]

reallly hmm

[left ledge]

ill link you log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bQPm2rtGjRw48BAa?fight=49&type=damage-done&source=205&phase=2&start=24895487&end=24947433

[west tide]

alright tyy

[left ledge]

i honestly dont know how

[west tide]

maybe some gaze luck

[left ledge]

maybe?

[dusky yacht]

wtf

[oblique fable]

He’s using the AI rotation script

[left ledge]

i really dont know why he even did that much damage

[outer rivet]

2 bear tanks slapping what the helly

[dusky yacht]

There is so much that isn't making sense to me

[hearty belfry]

Any reason you cast dance before blades in opener? Does it even matter?

[west tide]

gaze stacks

[tall dawn]

Rip ignore me sorry

[west tide]

idk if thats normal or highroll

[craggy quail]

boss?

[dusky yacht]

Belo'ren egg

[left ledge]

yeah gaze stacks

but also

why the fuck was my evis hitting harder than him

i have less mastery

[candid prawn]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[west tide]

shoot goddam rng

tomorrow i will hit a 300ker somehow

[left ledge]

i think maybe

[tribal blade]

LOL did you actually, that's crazy

[left ledge]

he was critting rotten strikes

thats a big RNG factor for sub tbh

critting your rotten strikes is like probably

HUGE DPS

[hazy breach]

315k strike + 250k apex + 250k WM

[left ledge]

yeah

[hazy breach]

Pretty decent global

[west tide]

the last dance and sectech im scared i wont do it in time if i wait for both

[left ledge]

fk

oh my god

[west tide]

so i send sd earlier but still get that sectech in

[left ledge]

there's WM too

holy fuck

[tribal blade]

are we back to crit rng

[left ledge]

LOL

[tribal blade]

woooo

[hazy breach]

But yes, standard variance of sub went up from 2.9 to 3.5

With this change

[tribal blade]

i'm seeing it in logs

[west tide]

WOO

[tribal blade]

people randomly doing much more dps than others

well not "randomly"

[sweet moss]

@hazy breach sry if i missed reply, did you say you would instnatly vanish again after first shadowstrike in openeer

[dusky yacht]

I hate that I can't reforge my gear to switch to more crit cause of the bug man

[hazy breach]

Yes, as the sims are doing and as my guide recommends

[west tide]

whats the 250k apex

[hazy breach]

What

An apex clone

[west tide]

ohh

ok

im gonna be honest i dont know how things work i just know what to do hehe

[swift zinc]

So the sim is bugged would you say ?

Bc my old gesr ist better then the future new

[hazy breach]

what

[swift zinc]

More mastery is better then crit for me with the sim

If i gonna switch too bis ring or something gives me more krit i gonna lose damage

[hazy breach]

Yes, there is nothing wrong with mastery

Especially on aoe

[swift zinc]

So wer running normal ? Or wie change something ?

Ahhh

😂😂

Bc wow saying we gonna take much more crit thats why iam asking

[pine oyster]

Is premed not bugged in sims? My sims with premed are higher than without

[swift zinc]

Wowhead

The BIS gear

[potent heath]

It's worth to craft 2 dagger ?

(thx)

[keen path]

Is sec tec supposed to override 3 stacks of fazed with 1 stack?

with the cloud thing?

[hazy breach]

If you dont have cloud cover up yes

Or well, "supposed to"

To me the most logical thing would be for the 3 stacks to fall off immediately once cloud cover ends

[brisk onyx]

nice meme

[hazy breach]

But the way it works is that once you try to refresh it you will reset it down to 1

[keen path]

But I thought the effect lasts 10 seconds after leaving the cloud so the applying 3 stacks would still work for 10 secs, thats wrong but yeah?

[abstract cosmos]

if u mean double dagger crafted no

[red flame]

"No corners cut, no compromises in terms of what we're delivering, and no sacrifices to quality."

[manic salmon]

ai vibe coding

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-boosie-smh-no-wtf-is-going-on-seriously-gif-8239431433983056046

[potent heath]

yes this, i start a rogue

[hazy breach]

It does last 10 seconds after leaving the cloud

But the cloud only lasts 10 seconds

So you get 20 seconds of cloud total, which is the same time as blades

[abstract cosmos]

dont double craft just ur main hand

also is it just me or is it fucking aids building combo points now

[manic salmon]

oh also turbo annoying is the fact that if you reapply fazed when the cloud buff goes down and you had 3 fazeds up, you re-apply a single fazed

[keen path]

Oh yep, of course, thanks so much!

[potent heath]

second weapon dont affect DPS ?

[manic salmon]

kind of

[hazy breach]

Not the weapon dps no

[abstract cosmos]

lowest dps

[hazy breach]

And daggersa re the weakest item slot you have, so better to craft something else

[manic salmon]

in sims you'll see that OH (offhand) dps is by far the lowest stat

[potent heath]

ok it's just a ''stat item'' so ? like belt/chest

[manic salmon]

p much

[indigo wraith]

Is it better to vanish to build to 7 combo point faster on opener ?

[hazy breach]

Ye but it has like hafl the stats of a chest

[potent heath]

wow ok

i surestimated cuz it's ''weapon''

[pure cloud]

Main hand most important

[abstract cosmos]

i only use vanish if im energy starved and my cds are coming back up in 3-2 seconds

[lilac stag]

You can. It’s close enough to using it between dances during blades.

[pure cloud]

I just end up using vanish on one of the half dozen, removed by freedom, effects

[indigo wraith]

i feel like the opener is soooo long to get in and pop CD

[hazy breach]

I double checked, daggers do in fact have literally half the stats of a chest/helm/leg items

[ivory salmon]

is there a way to sim this instead of oils?

[lilac stag]

math checks out.

[abstract cosmos]

u mean getting combo points ?

[hazy breach]

No, but you dont really need to either as its just +dmg

[indigo wraith]

@abstract cosmos yeah

[hazy breach]

Set it to only have oil on one hand

And youre good

[abstract cosmos]

im pretty sure theres a bug

[meager creek]

So do you open differently with Guidon?

[abstract cosmos]

with sub rn

for getting combo points

[hazy breach]

Theres no bug

[indigo wraith]

it take me 3-4 backstab to be full

on opener

[hazy breach]

The recommended build just swapped out of stuff that gives cp

[lilac stag]

it’s called. No Premed.

[abstract cosmos]

premed was goated

[pure cloud]

I just kept premed, feels a lot better

[indigo wraith]

that i know , but i only getting 1 Cbpt per backstap on opener every time

[pure cloud]

Minor dps loss acceptance

[abstract cosmos]

tempted to swap back

[brisk onyx]

"No Premed" like blizz's patch

[potent heath]

and no interraction with weapon dps, thx for calibring

[indigo wraith]

its around 4k single target dps , dont swap back to premed

[abstract cosmos]

wats the dps lodd

[meager creek]

Same

[lilac stag]

You can still play premed. Dropping it takes us from middle lower of the pack to middle little less lower of the pack.

[abstract cosmos]

thing is i felt like i got more dmg off

compared to now

[lilac stag]

rng will rng

[pure cloud]

Had someone in here yesterday saying it’s like -100

[lilac stag]

new talent setup doesn’t turn you into a devourer.

[dusky yacht]

Thank god, those poor guys really needed buffs

[indigo wraith]

@pure cloud what talent you change for prem ?

[lilac stag]

4k talk is someone inhaling too much cloud cover

[abstract cosmos]

i doubt its a 4k loss

[dusky yacht]

Well, if you doubt it then surely we're all horribly mistaken

[pure cloud]

The talent I changed for premed gives 8% more healing taken

[indigo wraith]

i removed The rotten forr prem in my simming, what is best talent toswap ?

[torn tide]

guys is there any point in going stealth anymore if theres no premed?

[frank wolf]

are we simming dungeon slice nightly or weekly?

[lilac stag]

With my high crit setup it was a 0.9% loss taking premed (factoring in the premed bug)

[hazy breach]

No, youd remove the +8% healing talent

Not rotten

[lilac stag]

it’s gonna be less with more mastery setup

[sweet moss]

does vanish do anything now then lol

[pure cloud]

The reason you’re not taking premed is because it breaks the apex talent, not because talent vs talent damage

[dusky yacht]

Gives you one extra shadowstrike and damage reduction

[lyric iris]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

The AoE rotation on subtlety starts with 2 targets. This means:

• Shadowstrike with exactly 2 targets.
• Shuriken Storm with 2 or more targets.
• Black Powder with 2 or more targets.
• Hero talents: Keep using Evis for Coup de Grace / "Darkest Night`.

[short radish]

breaks roots

[pure cloud]

If they fixed the bug there would be no comparison premed would be better

[lilac stag]

drops targeted by spells

[abstract cosmos]

whats the bug with premad

?

[lilac stag]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[abstract cosmos]

wtf?

Lol

[lilac stag]

it’s whatever at this point. If you hate the opener. Just play premed.

[pure cloud]

It fucks with cp refund from apex talent. The proc doesnt work properly

[hazy breach]

Thats not the main reason why its recommended to drop it

[abstract cosmos]

give blizz 3 months its a small indie company

[hazy breach]

Its not a bug

[tribal blade]

managed to snipe the rank 1 parse on dragons before 2 people could beat me #blessed

[hazy breach]

Its just not designed to work with the apex

[sweet moss]

what about combo points or energy

[pure cloud]

I don’t understand how premed wouldn’t be better than a talent that gives 8% healing received if this big didn’t exist

[sweet moss]

read pinned mate

[opal basalt]

W

[hazy breach]

I literally just linked an explanation and its pinned

[abstract cosmos]

did u play aoe ?

[wintry heart]

Bold of you to assume rogues can read

[tribal blade]

only way to parse that fight yeah

[opal basalt]

got these two beauties today in heroic reclear for trinkets/neck

[abstract cosmos]

must be hard to pad on adds tho no ?

[pure cloud]

So it’s intentional that it feels like shit to backstab 7 times in opener

[opal basalt]

i still don't know if i like assa or sub more on crown

[hazy breach]

If it bothers you just swap back to premed

[tribal blade]

HUGE