subtlety

[swift tinsel]

Losing probably 30-40% of pulls last night to group dc's really has me mad about the whole patch more so than just the cloud cover thing

[pure jay]

first I heard about DC's being that impactful yesterday, that's wild

[swift tinsel]

playing around bugs isn't new but the frustration of wiping bc 3 of your raid memebers just randomly dc

[void ocean]

Cause u were distracted 🤣

[swift tinsel]

yeah it was really bad, at any given time we would have 1-3 people dc'ing mid fight

raid frames went crazy

would see them all go grey at the same time

[spice island]

So I've been using the wowhead guide, why did stat priority suddenly flip from Mastery > Haste/Crit to Crit prio?

[bleak night]

wasting pulls all night to dcs into immediately getting the same item twice from m+ bonus rolls because blizzard doesnt know how to make a working video game anymore

[limber folio]

are we not running cloud on dragons?

[bleak night]

actually just want to quit at this point

[limber folio]

i see that the suggested build is going back to No Scruples

[swift tinsel]

one of our healers could only heal specific people

like their spells wouldn't register on others

[pure jay]

we had that issue when the healer reloaded during a pull

and if combat is started during a reload it probably bricked addons/etc

[void ocean]

I think wow was in better state in 2002.

[vast dust]

It wasn’t around in 2002

[swift tinsel]

he was also the druid that was able to not pull lura even when dancing right on her

[void ocean]

Bruh...

[vast dust]

So I’d def was in a better state!

[void ocean]

It was in development

[pure jay]

isn't that how that boss works? I thought for whatever reason that's one that doesn't immeidately aggro on range but i could be mistaken

[shrewd lantern]

work outsourced to ai

[void ocean]

But now i explained my joke

[shrewd lantern]

cs outsourced to call center in india

i dont make the rules

[pure jay]

from a technical/quality aspect that's probably not true, just different messes

[keen dome]

I wish they'd hire Al instead of Ai

[muted frigate]

Do we have an actual sim/number for premed vs no premed in ST Raid PoV

[pure jay]

sim yourself, the avg's I've seen are 1-200

[muted frigate]

The bug is not in the sims afaik

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt the bug not exist on sim

[pure jay]

that'd be news to me so that's fair

[void ocean]

Wait this is double negative

[manic ice]

if the bug is not in sims, whats causing the dps loss in sim by taking the talent

[muted frigate]

just wondering if some TC has made the bug available with expert mode or whatever

[pure jay]

I assumed it was which is why the healing talent over a dmg talent showed more dps

[red flame]

Group dc’s, cloud cover bugs, bugged bonus rolls, housing bugged, another china-exclusive promotion with insane cosmetics

[velvet nest]

stealth sound gone wth?

[pure jay]

yea, this exactly

[graceful osprey]

I haven’t checked the wowhead guide recently but I believe the general consensus is that it’s haste until 700 then just crit/mastery. Crit pull ahead on single target, mastery pulls ahead on aoe.

[muted frigate]

i rephrase, im fairly certain its not correctly implemented in sims

[wicked wadi]

Have you guys really been getting people complaining about cloud cover in keys? Is it that bad? Haven't had a chance to play any

[west tide]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid crown]

"Sidenote: If you do not yet posses a Light Company Guidon and are playing Trickster, you likely want to aim for ~800 haste instead of the recommended above. This is so you can fit a second sectec into your Blades window." --> I have 667 haste + guidon, using it gives me +633 haste, so i get 1300 haste, while you just tell me that 800 are required. I feel like, finally, this trinket gives way more than needed, so there could be better options.

[swift tinsel]

had people mention it but not complain

[velvet nest]

the visual is the same for everyone apparently so i can see why people complain

[swift tinsel]

mostly just asking what it was

[velvet nest]

it does cover some mechanics in certain instances

[vast dust]

It def makes the flame circles in the floor in Skyreach really hard to see at times I just noticed

[spice island]

Thank you, I've only been playing 6 weeks and have just been gearing for the old prio, then I check the bis guide after patch and quite a few slots changed

[void ocean]

I dont have guidon but i have a 🪶

[delicate moss]

fart cloud for everybody, we bring reverse-utility now

[wicked wadi]

Why can't they just give us something nice without screwing us over?

[spice island]

So if I'm talented into No Scruples then this Cloud Cover thing doesn't affect me right?

[stuck arrow]

Lol we had someone invulnerable but unable to do damage but stuck in combat.

Had to kick em and reset the instance - even logging out didn't fix combat flag lol.

[vast dust]

Becasue nobody likes us Scoundrels

[tired heart]

Other than losing a ton of damage, no.

[pure jay]

they should've made cloud cover buff all party/raid members

[void ocean]

Just fill the entire arena with smoke

[swift tinsel]

just pure vibes

[stuck arrow]

People think it does. We don't correct em lol

[lucid jackal]

You'd be losing like 6% damage by doing so, yes

[vast dust]

But we’re greedy DPS trolls

[void ocean]

Somehow devo dh would benefit more

[swift tinsel]

ddh's 'nerf' not applying is absolute cinema

[uncut monolith]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[stuck arrow]

Be even further behind havoc 😂

[spice island]

Well I wasn't specced into it before lol, didn't realize the build had changed

[west tide]

guys they are trying to get me to play otl on lura

[swift tinsel]

and also just getting more resources for free bc why the fuck not

[spice island]

Copied the new one

[west tide]

propoganda?

[wicked wadi]

My lil 265 ilvl devo DH is about to become my main I can't take any more 2nd class treatment ;_;

[west tide]

change pfp to illidan for me

[warm marlin]

year of the pirate

[wicked wadi]

If I end up doing it, I will

[calm linden]

did some of you recrafted some items since patch? does it work without problems?

[lucid jackal]

Bro hunters have to reroll to survival, rogues are rerolling to Outlaw

[void ocean]

2nd? That's optimistic

[lucid jackal]

Maybe the best patch ever?

[hazy breach]

Hunters yapping about how MM is dead for cleave

Yet theyre still doing 200k on paladins

[west tide]

hunters are NOT rerollin survival bro

[hazy breach]

35k higher than rogue

[west tide]

ugh they takin my sweet melee player spots

[lucid jackal]

Well you see they cant, in 2 globals deal 500000 barbillian damage to 20 adds at once anymore

[fossil forge]

recrafted without issues

[stuck arrow]

Lol love to see them have rogue cleave for a day.

[sour horizon]

Glad I hit my casual goal of 3k in m+ last week, so I can focus in DH alt

[wicked wadi]

Real. Same.

[west tide]

lmaoo my hunters were like this is the worst the game has felt in forever, someone chirped “when the rotation is same but u have ethical damage now”

[stuck arrow]

It's not fair they don't do 3x damage when there's 2 targets anymore.

[placid crown]

The rotten still lasts 17seconds ?

[timid rose]

Apparently i'm drawn to 2nd class as my class... WW to Enh to Sub...

[hallow mortar]

i was asking the same earlier today

[lucid jackal]

Nah they nerfed the vibe

They had a button that used to half the GCD

and now it doubles it? or is just back to normal idk

[pure jay]

i was kind of surprised rogue was bottom two least played classes, such a shame

[lucid jackal]

Our hunters had xxxtentacian playing at max volume all during lura

Bad vibes for them

[wicked wadi]

Bottom tier melee enjoyer

[west tide]

we gettin mogged by evokers too

[sour horizon]

Rogues a power bottom!!
.. wait

[swift merlin]

it means we are diffy fr

[lucid jackal]

If its any consolating, its been this way for over 15 years now

Even back during cataclysm, rogues were the least played class

[swift tinsel]

all key levels

[hallow mortar]

@hazy breach do you know why premed showing dps loss in sims when the bug suppose to be not implemented?

[lucid jackal]

its kinda been this way forever

[swift merlin]

it does suck trying to find resources for rogue tho

[swift tinsel]

but ye that's our thing

[hazy breach]

What

[swift tinsel]

unless we're mega strong

[pure jay]

it definitely hasn't been that bad as a rogue, but didn't realize least played for that long

[timid rose]

but i'll still manage to out perform meta FOTM chasers.

[wicked wadi]

Skills pay the bills

[lucid jackal]

I mean as a player, being unpopular legit doesnt matter

[hallow mortar]

taking premed over healing

[lucid jackal]

As much as people like to write fanfiction, playrate doesn't equate to changes or attention

[pure jay]

it does when we have bugs around for so long I think

[hazy breach]

Yes?

[pure jay]

fair

[lucid jackal]

I emplore you to play other classes in this game if you think rogue is exceptionally buggy

[pure jay]

i dont

or just put up with it

[chilly kite]

i see no issue with being unpopular, but it would be nice if they could fix some bugs instead of making more for us. do they just not have rogue playtesters internally

[lucid jackal]

its sort of just a wow problem

[sour horizon]

Try dps DK

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

Which isnt a defensive of it just pointing out that this isn't a rogue exclusive problem

[swift tinsel]

from my experience, a lot of the rogue bugs are more in-your-face or less niche circumstances to encounter them

[sour horizon]

Uh DK have been on a rollercoaster this expac haha

[swift tinsel]

so it def comes across feeling exceptionally buggy but could def be perception

[lucid jackal]

Ehhhhh

[sour horizon]

Day to day wild af swings haha

[lucid jackal]

It kinda depends

Genuinely a lot of rogue bugs are just "minor damage losses" and dont really actually do anything if were being really honest

[wicked wadi]

Unholy swinging from S to A tier and back, poor babies.

[lucid jackal]

Like all the quirks and bugs around sectec, and pets, and all that shit doesn't actually do anything to the rotation mostly

Its just like "x should be doing y damage rather than z"

[swift tinsel]

without going through the full buglist, a notable amount of them are noticable or impactful from just regular gameplay

[exotic steeple]

how much of a diff is it if i stay premed?

[shadow monolith]

Do we now go for Cloud cover or it's not worth it?

[lucid jackal]

Like half a percent lost

[exotic steeple]

bruh im staying premed then

it feels better

[wicked wadi]

The best answer to this, imo, which I have not seen anyone state: check logs on bosses from the last 24 hours. there is a healthy mix, and no pattern. Conclusion: it's irrelevant

[chilly kite]

youdon't like the backstab only forthe first 6 seconds opener?

[celest drum]

Does new st build make me not get max CP on first shadow strike

[hallow mortar]

on some bosses it do not matter and some bosses it mess up timing

[exotic steeple]

i feel like im pooling energy all over again and i despise it (played assa before)

[celest drum]

or am i just tweaking

[swift tinsel]

coup gcd, cloud cover stacks persisting/resetting, coup not giving ff on non-fazed, deepening updating, premed bug, sectech clones not getting replicated, not even getting into DS bugs

[clear hazel]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700) > Critical Strike = Mastery > Versatility`

[sacred jewel]

premeditation

[exotic steeple]

do we still take premed and cloud cover or just stay old talent build if not wanting to backstab to 7 cp

[chilly kite]

you missed cloud cover making blades cost 30 energy

[swift tinsel]

so I would argue that there's a number of bugs that do affect rotation

[swift tinsel]

yes this too

[sharp sapphire]

the cloud cover isnt just a bug that slipped throught the cracks and its hard to recreate. Its the main CD that when pressed removes 30 out 100 of the main resource bar. Pure incompetence

[timid rose]

some classes have bugs that make DPS go up, some have bugs that make DPS go down, some have bugs that randomly pull everything in the dungeon with their apex talents... you win some, you lose some 🙂

[chilly kite]

outlaw might get 1 week with that 13% damage buff, then probably back to the shed on tuesday

[fading whale]

how does 30 energy thing even happen

[swift tinsel]

idk it just feels like a really bad patch

[sacred jewel]

spell id overlap with distract

[hazy breach]

Yeah but it kinda doesnt matter for Sub at all, except during the opener without BL

[swift tinsel]

exceedingly scuffed launch

[sacred jewel]

or smth

[void ocean]

U wouldnt believe

[unreal silo]

vibecoding in non-english

[chilly kite]

because disctract cost 30 energy, and blizzard doesn't know how not to spagetti code

[sour horizon]

Spell id conflict

[stuck arrow]

CC change is literally them macroing distract into Blades / AR lol

[shadow wren]

do the bonus rolls pull from the entire m+ loot table or just that specfic dungeons available loot to you

[fading whale]

lmao

[hazy breach]

Only the dungeon/boss youre rolling on

[shadow wren]

okay thank you!

[swift tinsel]

someone in guild disc was asking about CC bug bc they saw the reddit post and it launched me into a tirade lol

[void ocean]

So should I now delete distract from my blades/dance macro, feels unnecessary

[sour horizon]

Dang its costing you 30energy irl too

[icy pond]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=441429/cloud-cover?def=122725&rank=1&spellModifier=137035 is whorse ?

[quaint glen]

is it only for me or its is more energy hungry now ? 😄 i feel like there are more moments when i cant do nothing just backstep boss with no proc of combo points 😄 it feels weird

[vestal adder]

how do we not even make this article?

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-bugs-with-patch-12-0-5-unholy-dk-preservation-evoker-381338#comments

[swift tinsel]

full bar depleteo

[lucid jackal]

Coup GCD isn't a bug its a feature (not a meme)
CLoud cover stacks I haven't seen happen
Coup giving FF on non-fazed doesn't affect rotation
Deepening shadows sucks but it's fairly minor you just have to delay your CDs 1 second
Premed bug like, it does I literally didn't even process it existed until getting rid of it I feel like it doesnt change that much
Sectec clones doesnt affect rotation really

Just to be pednatic

[sacred jewel]

warning sign, premed

[fading whale]

if someone told me we would be pooling for distract i wouldnt belive

[void ocean]

We need slowmode, yo mods

[sacred jewel]

in m+ it certainly distracts your own teammates

[lucid jackal]

I get ur point tho

[upbeat cradle]

I managed to kill someone by hiding AoE with the smoke. Where is my achievement for that

[keen dome]

that should be all of our goals

[sacred jewel]

imagine pvp double smokes

[fleet sluice]

I tested cloud cover on dummies and it basically persisted for a short time on all targets aside from my main target, when I used shuriken storm and it was time for it to apply fazed it basically overwrote the 3 fazed stacks on my main target, when all other targets around me still had 3 stacks going.

[sacred jewel]

ss in, smoke bomb fake into real shadow blade

[swift tinsel]

ye I've honestly seen some back and forth on coup gcd thing and I full expect it to remain 1.2 forever. Deepening is arguably the most prevalent or easily-noticable bc its kinda core to the burst window and I would be surprised if that gets fixed as well bc that's in a more technical blizz-server-issue field than just rogue-specific ig

[worldly oasis]

Guys do u know if the bug of bonus roll affect also the bonus roll in Raid?

[swift tinsel]

but playing most of the other specs (barring yesterday's mess of an update) they didn't have the same level of "this spell should do X but does Y" to the degree that rogue/sub is used to playing around

[upbeat cradle]

What bug ?

[west tide]

raid is chill

[sacred jewel]

u only have 1

[wicked wadi]

Nobody would know because you only get 1 roll

[sacred jewel]

and apparently m+ bug will only happen if u loot from different key lvls (dont quote)

[swift tinsel]

at least none stick out to the same degree as rogue but that could also just be familiarity bias

[lucid jackal]

I think a lof of it ends up being like

As an example a spec might to a c b d rather than a b c d in a rotational prio guide, because a b c d is bugged

ykwim

Thats what I feel a lot of rogue bugs end up being

[swift tinsel]

ye I feel that

I mean that's how most of our 'features'/optimizations come about

[lucid jackal]

Where like, yes it "affects gameplay" but its more of just it affects the priority

[vale pine]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[swift tinsel]

we also have the luxury of a readily-available bug list as well so it can be very apparent how many there are, idk of other channels that maintain them like that

[flat wyvern]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

so its very easy to just look at the link and think "man this is a mess"

[lime wigeon]

Like the BTE bugs back in DF. Those were really "feel bad" since it felt so disruptive

UUnlike those you can plan for

[lucid jackal]

WW had, idk if it still has, a lot of similar bugs where like

[swift tinsel]

I'm not the most familiar with those

[lucid jackal]

Its buggy but a lot of it is just "How the bugs influence the rotation"

[swift tinsel]

BTE bugs in DF*

[shadow monolith]

So we go Cloud cover?

[lucid jackal]

IT was like, if you entered stealth BTE would display on CD when it wasn't actually on CD soemtimes

[warm marlin]

If deepening shadows worked we would probably be doing the guidon snapshot thing
Premed bug combined with the sectec bug is relevant, we would be pooling sht to apex sectec for every dance

[hazy breach]

Yeah those are the most impactful for sure. Stuff not being buffed by X is just compensated by tuning

[true coral]

Hi, what talent do we take a point off of if we want to keep premed?

[crystal temple]

did the premed bug get fixed?

[vale pine]

think the worse bug was protected stealth in legion

for pvp

[warm marlin]

cloud cover thing is only annoying because it double means you really have to stay in the cloud

like refreshing early and losing 12s of your triple stack is giga bad

[lime wigeon]

yea

[swift tinsel]

the energy cost with no premed is the friction I've been feeling mostly

[scarlet whale]

Whats with ppl saying changes are after the reset? I thought the new changes are already live?

[fossil forge]

bingus

[swift tinsel]

but i also wasn't using vanish in opener

[fiery fog]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

if you walk out real early you could have your second sectec in blades refresh on all the mobs

and make them all 1 stack

gg?

[fossil forge]

any idea what could be delaying my second dance in sb window

it happens randomly

[warm marlin]

idk but some other guy complained about it

[fossil forge]

i like have to manually press dance 4 times

ive asked so many people

[warm marlin]

or maybe it was u

[fossil forge]

no1 even knows what im talking bout lowkey

nah i saw some other guy talking about it here also he didnt get a reply

[plucky pier]

Anyone know which talent build is most efficient for deleting my character and making a Devourer DH?

[warm marlin]

im still at work so i havent been able to see whats up after the hotfix

[sacred jewel]

bonus roll the class change token

[fossil forge]

i tried swapping the dance from spellbook but it still randomly happens

[hazy breach]

Theres no premed bug thats causing us to drop it

[wanton mantle]

Do u use guidon and the first dance

[crystal temple]

thank you!!

[hazy breach]

The apex is purposefully designed in a way that does not work with premed

[fossil forge]

i do use guidon but i did not use tfd

[hazy breach]

Not a bug

[warm marlin]

i cant remotely think of anything that would cause it

[granite fable]

btw, what are your belt mog? it looks really good with the coat

[warm marlin]

its off gcd

[sacred jewel]

have u disabled all addons

[frigid prawn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fossil forge]

it actually might be

[wanton mantle]

Are u trying to use 2nd dance right after first?

[swift tinsel]

would be really funny if the dance issue was caused by the game thinking you had TFD-duration dance

[fossil forge]

the fact that i have like 500 error spopping up permanently

because elvui is not updated

[sacred jewel]

lol

[swift tinsel]

if its taking 3-4 sec to get to cast it

[sacred jewel]

go disable all addons and test again

[wanton mantle]

Idk why u people are using elvui garbage

[potent frigate]

Am I tripping or am I the only one having difficulties with popping my Sblades - Shadow Dance - Shadow Technique macro?

[fossil forge]

good catch brotherman

[sacred jewel]

!cc

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Blades / Cloud Cover bug:
Talenting into cloud cover gives Shadow Blades a 30 energy cost; this is not intentional and seems to come from the implementation of the talent. It seems to just cast Distract, which costs 30 energy. Make sure to have enough energy before using Shadow Blades.

[warm marlin]

I think in lou some guy triggered a mega rare bug

[swift tinsel]

check your energy

[warm marlin]

I will look back

[potent frigate]

Oh, it's bugged

okay

[frosty dock]

you need at least 60 energy to pop them together right now. SB is bugged and costs energy

[wanton mantle]

If ur tryba 2nd dance right after the first while using guidon i will guess guidon is messing with the cd and its causing an few second delay on 2nd dance IF ur 2nd dancing after the first

[potent frigate]

it does consume energy, I thought was tripping

[fading whale]

why is the voice for auras so quiet

[fiery fog]

guys what necks are you using if not alleria?
pit neck?

[fading whale]

after patch

[tidal solstice]

going for pit neck

got belt and dagger

next week i get ring and neck

nods

[west tide]

ribbon of coiled somethin

[sacred jewel]

give up ur vault for an extra try

[west tide]

i was using pit neck before ingot the mythic neck

[fossil forge]

saladbar neck gang

[fiery fog]

i can see myself sending rolls on pit and getting back+wrist/waist

[fossil forge]

someone here got the back 2x

[shrewd lantern]

nah get cosmos neck

[swift tinsel]

wrists aren't bad tbf

from pit

[shrewd lantern]

lemme get another hit of my copium pipe

[swift tinsel]

cloak not ideal

[fiery fog]

i mean yeah but im already struggling to stay at 670 haste xd

[swift tinsel]

vora bracers currently?

[fiery fog]

could just catalyse them though

[shrewd lantern]

im using crafted

[swift tinsel]

aren't pit bracers crit/haste

[fiery fog]

nah i have the frenzyroot cuffs with socket

[swift tinsel]

ah

[fiery fog]

i also have pit on hero with socket

but less haste

[shrewd lantern]

tbh i dont have enough gilded rn to send on the low slots

[fossil forge]

wat legs r u guys using though

[fiery fog]

crafted kekw

[fossil forge]

same

[swift tinsel]

pit

[shrewd lantern]

i pulled myth windrunner ones

from vault

[swift tinsel]

I'd prefer spire legs but got myth pit from roll

[fossil forge]

w pull

[fiery fog]

using chima hero belt atm because it gives 80 haste too

[shrewd lantern]

also indest

[swift tinsel]

ye chim belt is huge

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

I had hero but crafted myth belt

[shrewd lantern]

i dont have enough gilded to send into another craft anyway

[fiery fog]

we dropped myth belt last week or 2 weeks ago and i said i dont think i need it (i didnt at that point) and just got the hero one

[shrewd lantern]

i'd need to upgrade my myth helm

or gloves

[fiery fog]

now id love the mythic one

[shrewd lantern]

i have a hole hero belt

gonna last awhile

🤣

[fiery fog]

when rolling in pit i think you want to do it as outlaw if you already have a myth dagger?

[shrewd lantern]

apparently sending myth crests into a xenas ring is just as big a gain as sending into a myth chest

[fiery fog]

so its less items in the pool

[shrewd lantern]

which is kind of crazy to think about

[warm marlin]

jewelry strong!

[shrewd lantern]

well upgrading it upgrades the set bonus

[swift tinsel]

I would very much like myth jewelry

[shrewd lantern]

thats the real reason im pre sure

[chilly tree]

how to i make the apex talent black things look darker? ISnt there a setting?

[swift tinsel]

finally got to replace champ crown neck with hero pit neck lol

[warm marlin]

i have avoided myth jewelry because then it is much harder to adapt my stats to our fun breakpoint

[stuck arrow]

No lol

[swift tinsel]

this part has been a pain lol

[shrewd lantern]

yep

i got my second xenas ring on hero finally

[swift tinsel]

I have 3x heavy haste items, one for each slot, that I can kinda work with but atm I think I'm at 713 haste

with zero haste gems

[warm marlin]

I hotswap pit/nexus/magisters/algethar ring

and between that and flipping gems/my 2 embel craft stats

we can move things around

[shrewd lantern]

i had to play around a bit since the spire legs give 100 haste

[swift tinsel]

I have pit neck, heavy haste/mastery delve ring (like 184 haste iirc), bifurcation band, bond of light

and champ crown

[warm marlin]

ah ye pit neck/pvp neck too

[shrewd lantern]

kinda funny a socket on helm

makes upgrading helm to myth less than upgrading gloves

[chilly tree]

found it, spell alert opacity

thanks for the bad info though

[swift tinsel]

got this thing from a delve while getting voidcore shards/spark weekly lol

[stuck arrow]

Wait actually? Damn. Can you set it to not exist?

[chilly tree]

yes

0 to 100

[shrewd lantern]

isnt it tracked in cdm anyway

mine was auto added

[swift tinsel]

but I want more crit so I need to get some new toys

[obsidian crag]

are u guys having better results with more crit or more mastery? I have noticed ppl are using this kind of build:

[swift tinsel]

purloined wedding ring my beloved

[shrewd lantern]

thats just the standard raid build?

[warm marlin]

the pikaboo r1

[frank wolf]

Dude lmao im rocking the same shit

This one delve ring is hard carrying my “700” haste

[drifting ether]

My premed sims 0.3% less than without, it should be okay too use it?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/96DTirSFZr9h1v7jASxkzf

[swift tinsel]

High key kinda goated for breakpoint manipulation

[frank wolf]

I think the move is 285 craft neck, it gives 145 haste or something

Because I want to run platinum star band but my haste taaaaanks if i do

[swift tinsel]

I wanna put together a set that’s haste breakpoint then as much crit as I can get

For kicks

Become the anti-Dino

Avoid mastery except on tier/gaze

[fiery fog]

was running bifurication on hero but took star band from vault... had to switch some gear around to somehow manage to get to 670 haste lmao

[wintry heart]

Is it worth it to drop veiltouched for TFD in m+?

[grave mango]

Be all crit or be nothing.

[cobalt bane]

Guys i have hero gaze and hero puzzle on me, vault has myth vessel but i still believe these two on hero track are better. any advice ?

[swift tinsel]

Or I troll myself and get a myth solarflare prism

[karmic harbor]

I made top 10 on the only thing that matters (vorasius boss damage)

[frank wolf]

Are you running crafted neck? Or are all your crafts haste/crit?

For the longest time I had to run champion track voidsong neck the haste breakpoint is fucking impossible

[fiery fog]

this is what im running atm

[pure jay]

famed slayer?! gamer

[light rune]

!cloak

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[wintry heart]

Not having TFD feels odd

[fiery fog]

could get more haste by catalysing the wrists (its +7 haste lmao)

[wanton mantle]

I love not having tfd

[light rune]

Cloak of shadows not immuning from Garfrost's Glacial Overload?

[dusky yacht]

Imagine we could just shadowstrike with premed pop guidon, blades and then dance sectec immediately and start pumpin

[wanton mantle]

Immunes the damage not the dot

[pure jay]

why cant we

[light rune]

Since?

[wanton mantle]

Forever

[dusky yacht]

0.7% loss on premed, guidon takes 1 sec to update, ...

[wintry heart]

.7 loss is criminal to be concerned about lol

I’m just running premed

[pure jay]

0.7? that's wild, it was under 200 dps for me

[wintry heart]

Fine I’ll give it a shot in keys again

[frank wolf]

yes bro we see the trinkets bro

https://giphy.com/gifs/shocked-hell-no-oh-na-bmAtIwmYTHnwBy0d6W

[pure jay]

maybe ill mess with some dummies or something, cause at least for sims, worth it

[fiery fog]

i was rep egg enjoyer until last week

though

myth gaze is still my biggest upgrade kekw

[frank wolf]

last week?

egg

[placid pivot]

When is 298 upgrades available

[hazy breach]

4 weeks or so

[fiery fog]

4 weeks

[wintry heart]

4 weeks

[dense geode]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[fiery fog]

ew

box

[placid pivot]

And can we upgrade like pepegas or is it monthly gated

[hazy breach]

[frank wolf]

i know... id trade it for vet track guidon

[sullen spruce]

guys why did the bis gear change in wowhead ?

[placid pivot]

Yall probably settling on upgrading vora myth dagger right

Since if you’re on beloren u probably don’t need the 50 dps from the myth belo dagger

[keen yew]

shouldn't we not voluntarily supercharge finisher of dance so that we proc the apex with the SS ?

[placid pivot]

God rogues class disc pops off compared to the other disc

[exotic steeple]

So who is staying premed here?

Premed gang?

[frank wolf]

i was legit thinking how is this the second least played class and its got the most popping discord

[keen yew]

because i saw "no rotation change" in the pin

[placid pivot]

Fr

[wintry heart]

@hazy breach sorry for the ping but should I be applying the shadow dance rules in m+ aoe as well? Such as lining up the last 8 seconds of blades with my second dance

[abstract cosmos]

am i wrong or is sub rogue bugged ?

[placid pivot]

Rogue gang for life

[rotund hedge]

is something up with puzzblebox? 285 box is -2200 vs a 276 guidon on dungeonslice

[hazy breach]

Yes

[wintry heart]

Thanks big dawg.

[wintry heart]

Yeah they’re actually deleting puzzle box from the game files

[exotic steeple]

If cloud shadowblades didnt consume 30energy man

Feels bad going 7cp with backstab and then waiting to get 60 energy

To send

[sage pond]

is that a joke or what does that even mean

[patent crystal]

is anyone elses dance bugged and only lasting 6sec

[placid pivot]

Frrrrr

[wintry heart]

Yes I’m trolling just don’t like the trinket my b

[wanton mantle]

I had the same question cuz feather was 2k ahead too.

[placid pivot]

Takes ages to get started

[sage pond]

maybe I should racechange one of my characters to a troll. When you live with them, you understand them or something...

[shrewd lantern]

big cranking opener

[timid rose]

no vanish for second SS?

[exotic steeple]

Show how long from last backstab to blades+opener

[shrewd lantern]

I mean he did it to hit adds

[exotic steeple]

14 seconds

[placid pivot]

@exotic steeple I shadowstrike and vanish to reapply master of shadows

For more energy

[exotic steeple]

But that feels wrong having to use ur 2min cd for just that

[placid pivot]

Probably gets you to burst in about 6 rather than 7 seconds

[hazy breach]

"2 min cd"

[placid pivot]

Well vanish typically isn’t used for anything else in raid

[formal marlin]

do you guys know if the recrafting bug has been fixed?

[hazy breach]

Technically correct as the cooldown of vanish is 2 minute, but its useless

[valid falcon]

is there a way to add trinket cd/icon to cooldown manager? asking for a friend

[hazy breach]

Nope

[valid falcon]

lame

[hazy breach]

Addons can add it near/around it

or well, an approximation of it

[frank wolf]

cooldown manager centered addon

[meager coyote]

gaze didn't even drop...

[placid pivot]

U know who is a good rogue? Those who mitigate the most damage with feint

[exotic steeple]

Just spam feint

[placid pivot]

Let’s get a feint mitigation parse

[exotic steeple]

Just spam fent

[west bough]

Is playing premed that small of dps loss or sims are just weird?

[valid falcon]

i'll check that out, ty

[placid pivot]

Someone do the copy paste for him

[plucky moon]

Guys im siming like 600 dps more with premeditation that widout it. Is that like it should be or sim is troling me

[exotic steeple]

Foreverguy said about 0,5% loss

[placid pivot]

Guysss do the copy paste

[plucky moon]

With premed its like same thing like before patch with rotation, all the same

[soft summit]

Has the loot roll been fixed yet or still handing out potential repeats?

[swift tinsel]

have not seen any news of it being fixed yet

or even addressed by blizzard

[cosmic creek]

!log

[placid pivot]

Save your rolls

[west bough]

thanks

[shrewd lantern]

i havent even sent it because i dont have enough gilded

to upgrade a myth roll anyway

🤣

[placid pivot]

wtf is gilded

[frank wolf]

lowkey its safe to send on raid no? can only send once anyway

[shrewd lantern]

the myth crest shit

[placid pivot]

Oh lmao

[shrewd lantern]

i still got 3 mythic pieces not upgraded

so meh

im good for a bit

[exotic steeple]

Im still on champion guidon

[placid pivot]

Brokey lmaoo (I have no myth pieces)

[exotic steeple]

Because some feral decided to roll in myth track guidon, beat me by 2 on it and sold it to some sheikh dk for ungodly price

[placid pivot]

wtf bench that feral

[slender granite]

Are we not running the first dance? all because of the premed bug?

[exotic steeple]

Pugs bro no bench

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you can run tfd if you want

its not as strong as it was in tww

[placid pivot]

Disgusting that guidon went to a feral

[fiery fog]

wait

[dusky yacht]

And then he sold it

[fiery fog]

why is stealth not doing the sound

[dusky yacht]

Damn

[fiery fog]

unplayable

[shrewd lantern]

dk and rogue are like the only 2 classes

that even use it

[placid pivot]

Yeah

[shrewd lantern]

maybe good for blood as well as unholy

cant be that bad having extra haste every drw

[exotic steeple]

Yes and i offered him 400k gold or sum bcs i didnt have more, and he told me that the dk offered him an amount that he couldnt refusd

Still mad about it 1 week later

I mean if i hadnt been the 2nd highest roller i wouldnt even be mad

[placid pivot]

Do you just pug all day

[exotic steeple]

Ye no guild

[placid pivot]

Bruh can’t imagine pugging this shit

Too many bots

[slender granite]

Bro trying to get into groups as a rogue is such a painnnn

[shrewd lantern]

i cant be bothered to pug since

[placid pivot]

That’s why you gotta make your own and only invite clothiers

[shrewd lantern]

raid prog is like the only reason i still play

[river stag]

is there anything major i missed in 12.0.5 that made me go from purp/orange parsing to straight up green only? I've read up on changes, playing the "new build" but my dmg is omega ass rn

[shrewd lantern]

less logs

idk im too ethical on imperator to orange boss damage and low purple overall

i need to pad

[placid pivot]

From a ce raiding level those parses don’t matter

If anything boss dps

No one really gives a fk about padding shit adds on imp 😂

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think ill ever not play guidon because im not rolling AA

when i have a myth guidon

[keen yew]

im hitting boss

hard

[placid pivot]

EWWWW puzzlebox enjoyers

[fiery fog]

wait until we are in S2

[shrewd lantern]

rn its probably not bad to play puzzle

cast it while wiating for 60

[timber socket]

what do I drop to get premed back? I cant do this opener

[keen yew]

ephemerallink

[gilded thistle]

is sectec and cdg aoe radius based on your position or the target?

[exotic steeple]

BIS moment actually

[frank wolf]

target

[placid pivot]

But ephemerallink gives no dps

[keen yew]

first hit of sectec is you, second and last target

[placid pivot]

😂

[gilded thistle]

kk

[shrewd lantern]

you see

we're not unholy dks

we dont get bugfixed less than 24h later

[placid pivot]

Fr anyone who plays dk rn loves to get pegged by blizz

[hazy breach]

Correct, but premed loses you dps

[grand summit]

Can bonus rolls get you loot you already have?

[velvet forge]

!talents

[placid pivot]

@hazy breach I was /s 😂

[chilly dagger]

hmmm might have to reroll to Outlaw, it already sims ~10k more dps (135 outlaw vs 125 on sub) in a dungeon sim with unoptimised (mastery heavy) gear 😮

[drifting ether]

Probably will go premed until they fix shadow blades openers already long 😂

[shrewd lantern]

its not supposed to

keyword: supposed

[placid pivot]

Someone got cooked by blizz

[shrewd lantern]

this is why im holding my other bonus roll

and because no point sending it this week for me

[hazy breach]

Mastery heavy is optimized for m+

[frank wolf]

as i understand no, but you need to have it at the same track/level, so having something heroic doesnt exempt you from getting it mythic etc

[placid pivot]

Yeah fr we only do boss damage out here

[dusky yacht]

They definitely put us in an awkward position

[chilly dagger]

as outlaw?

[light rune]

Provides a moment of magic immunity, instantly removing all harmful spell effects. The cloak lingers, causing you to resist harmful spells for 5 sec.

[dusky yacht]

I mean I'm happy with the changes, I do more DPS for sure, but it's so weird

[hazy breach]

Ah yeah no, meant as sub. Mb missread

[chilly dagger]

jeah thats why im wondering, my Mastery heavy sub gear sims ~+10k if I just go Outlaw with a hero instead of myth MH... LOL

[shrewd lantern]

i cant wait for people to complain

since outlaw has like 60% uptime on cloud

[dense geode]

thats getting sent to the shadow realm for sure

lol

[tawny thicket]

Is outlaw the best?

[shrewd lantern]

not on the hard bosses of the tier

[tawny thicket]

Outlaw Goated

[shrewd lantern]

no shot its best on cosmos

too much melee downtime

[river stag]

anyone in here down to look at my voracious log and tell me wtf im doing wrong

[dense geode]

sub felt too good on cosmos this week

did 182k on that fight

[shrewd lantern]

scroll up to see the devourer

though

[dense geode]

im above them

[fiery summit]

Is the 700 haste breakpoint worth sacrificing (to around 650 ish) for more mastery for m+ scenarios or is the haste still top prio even in m+

[marble path]

is jury still out on outlaw for l'ura

[shrewd lantern]

i mean there's a single public lura log

[marble path]

cant trust that guy guy he'll find any reason to glaze the law

[timid trellis]

what is the openere now in raid when we dont get full cp with ss

[marble path]

vanish and backstab to 7cp

[placid pivot]

Backstab

Let’s face it guys we are just 18%attack speed slow

[frank wolf]

im still running warning signs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid pivot]

Is that sim subs bisest of bis

[shrewd lantern]

i mean keys it dont matter

since you just build with storm

anyway

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[shrewd lantern]

sir you are 5 haste off

[placid pivot]

^

[cinder swan]

how do we feel about solarflare prism trinket

[shrewd lantern]

it exists

[placid pivot]

Ur whole build is cooked

[timid trellis]

how much haste when u have guideon?

[placid pivot]

684

Or 700

[barren wave]

why's my sim telling me to double shadowstrike after most sec techs?

[placid pivot]

To prof ancient arts

But don’t listen to it just shadowstrike evis

It’s like ~1% dps

And most times it does line up anyway

[tidal solstice]

ill have it once i finish upgrades this week

[placid pivot]

Same with cdg

[frank wolf]

magnus huge fan bro

[gleaming geyser]

Hey guys my guild can prob do 2 voidspire mythic bosses this week, and I have hc light company trinket and hc dagger from 2nd boss, should I use reroll for dagger or trinket?

[placid pivot]

Dagger

Vor drops two bis

For rogues

[gleaming geyser]

Ok ye

[swift tinsel]

ye myth dagger big

[placid pivot]

3 if you count the tier

[swift tinsel]

myth guidon not as big of a jump from hc guidon

[placid pivot]

^

[gleaming geyser]

That makes sense, ty t y

[placid pivot]

Guidon is there to give you two sectec duringblades

[gleaming geyser]

Ah yea I get that already

[placid pivot]

Any th ing more is just for secondary shit

Guys anyone here kill believe

Beloren

Mythic

[shrewd lantern]

boss is so much fun (not)

[placid pivot]

Did you kill it graf

[shrewd lantern]

i heckin love backstab soup

not yet

[placid pivot]

U planning to voidforge the belo dagger or the vor dagger

[shrewd lantern]

i already have the vor one like week 2 or 3

?

[placid pivot]

I mean ascend it

[shrewd lantern]

ngl that'd require sending 20 gilded

[marble path]

try
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309
instead of the pot's name, it was bricked for me too first week
when u test make sure ur in combat

[shrewd lantern]

to have a diff statted mh

which feels int

[placid pivot]

True

Belo is true bis but let’s cope and say we got the versa for survivability

[shrewd lantern]

vers isnt even that terrible

[placid pivot]

Ik overall it’s great

[shrewd lantern]

its just not worth sending 20 gilded to have a different statted mh

[placid pivot]

😂

[cursive tundra]

I fixed it by

[shrewd lantern]

maybe if i had more versa i could eat divebombs without a disc shield

[cursive tundra]

restarting the game

somehow reload didn't help either

[shrewd lantern]

me when i dont get a pre shield and proc cheat taking the divebomb rawdog

with no cloak

[placid pivot]

Just tank that shit raw

Maybe a fringe

Feint

[shrewd lantern]

well if you just feint it, leaves you at like 30k

so if boss farts you proc

[placid pivot]

I’m bouta proc on you

[shrewd lantern]

🥥

[placid pivot]

IM PROCCING

[shrewd lantern]

idk we dont get that shit for a few weeks

iirc?

[placid pivot]

someone said 3-4 weeks

[shrewd lantern]

welp

[placid pivot]

It cooked

[shrewd lantern]

my attention span is limited to 2 days

so gg

[placid pivot]

Fr

[swift tinsel]

they just updated the patch notes today to say 'several weeks'

[fossil forge]

[placid pivot]

Might quit game before that

[warm marlin]

press dance lil gup

fade dr

[shrewd lantern]

i was testing for science

but my priest doesnt pre shield me either

[placid pivot]

What a useless priest

[mortal violet]

3 more weeks i believe, cause the hammer says it will be crafted at 4/4 and its currently 1/1

[swift tinsel]

ye

[placid pivot]

Omg

[shrewd lantern]

so i send on mh

then gaze

then uhh

idk whatever the fuck

[placid pivot]

Offhand

[shrewd lantern]

prob guidon unless upgrading oh somehow better

[dusky yacht]

mh -> gaze -> guidon -> offhand

[swift tinsel]

mh->trinkets->oh

[placid pivot]

Is more haste really that worth it

[swift tinsel]

you can only upgrade weps and trinkets

[placid pivot]

Idk how much more agi u get

[warm marlin]

the agi baseline on it is better than dogmeatt oh

[untold elk]

have they nerfed deepening shadows? it use to give me 2 sec on SD and now is about 1.37 (yes, i still have 19% haste)

[placid pivot]

Oh

Damn it cooked

[swift tinsel]

ye its a mini turbo boost

[placid pivot]

Mh gazeguido offhand

[swift tinsel]

not the usual "every item gets increased upgrade tracks"

which is kinda fine bc then you do'nt have to omega farm crests

[fossil forge]

any good povs that r playing mechanics on alleria

im getting subbed in i have0 clue what goes on

[placid pivot]

Btw guys I’m a dev dh main but playing dev is so brain dead

[hazy breach]

No, you probably had tfd or guidon up when you had 2 sec

[shy flare]

I mainly play m+ and don’t have guidon. I would need haste flask to reach 800. Is that still worth doing over mastery or crit flask?

[copper sparrow]

is there any changes in talents?

[untold elk]

so it is normal to get around 1.37 sec with 18-19%?

[copper sparrow]

for m+

[spice island]

Yeah there should be a talent tree in the pins

[deft moss]

stealth not making a noise for yall either?

[placid pivot]

Yea

It a vibe low key

DOOOOOO

[shrewd lantern]

thas what i was thinking

gonna be real funny next tier when we dont have extended sb

or guidon

[placid pivot]

yeah blizz will 100% forget about rogues

[lusty acorn]

is they fix the dup reroll prob ?

[placid pivot]

Not yet

[shrewd lantern]

test for us and report the results

[placid pivot]

Don’t spend ur rerolls in m+

😂😂

[swift tinsel]

ye we'll be back to back-to-back dances in blades

[shrewd lantern]

we better not get a tierset that buffs gloomblade

[swift tinsel]

or they give us +1 charge of sectech tier set

[hazy breach]

Yes

[swift tinsel]

some shit like that

[placid pivot]

You want us to get nerfed haptics

[shrewd lantern]

[placid pivot]

U realize that is applicable in PvP

[swift tinsel]

then we lose that after that season is over and we're back to whatever bandaid solution they come up with next

[untold elk]

ok thanks!

[shrewd lantern]

i feel people are always gonna complain about sub in pvp

[timid trellis]

why 700 haste , for guideon sorry for noob question , sims want more mastery

[cosmic oracle]

im look on murloc but are we now playing a different talent build, im using cloud cover but the rest? for m+

[shrewd lantern]

as long as dance exists

[somber sun]

a bit off-context, but does the aoe blind work on lura adds ?

[swift tinsel]

it wasn't counting for me last night

[placid pivot]

Damn a lot of questions

Guidon with 700haste to fit 2 sextec in a blades cd

Mastery to boost that damage

What if they bring back flag

And symbols

[swift tinsel]

they were affected by blind in one instance but I don't think it counted as an interrupt

[somber sun]

using rolls on raid boss doesnt directly guarantee guidon right ?

[placid pivot]

It don’t

[swift tinsel]

actually i might be stupid idr if my raid build has AA (it does)

[placid pivot]

U knock one loots off the boss loot

[somber sun]

ehh bruh

[placid pivot]

Making it easier to loots ur trinket next week

If u didn’t get it

[fathom adder]

you will have it in the end if you roll there

[placid pivot]

JUST GAMBA SEND IT FAM

No such thing as a wrong move unless ur playing a dk

[somber sun]

what if we skipped and only did the 3 last bosses

do I do the 1st and just gamba ?

[placid pivot]

GMAVAAAA

[fathom adder]

just bonusroll it first try

[placid pivot]

GAMBAAAAA

[shrewd lantern]

or just loot it natty

[radiant swift]

does anyone know when the gear upgrades are coming?

[placid pivot]

nah bonus roll even if you win it

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-bro-hand-on-shoulder-gif-11963500747147243380

[fathom adder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[placid pivot]

Double guido

Two Italian trinkets

I hope yall are Tauren rogues btw

[slender granite]

What talents do you guys go for in chimaerus? st or aoe?

[somber sun]

st mostly

there will be a big add with shield

others melt fast

[placid pivot]

Yo

What if

You go down twice

Proc death

And max aoe dps

[slender granite]

Thats the big brain move

[placid pivot]

Lmaoooo

Pure animal behavior

All my guild does is pad on adds

So no one can parse

[harsh gale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid pivot]

I visited the outlaw channel and god why does it smell so bad in there

[mortal violet]

you can cloak the second one , dont need to proc death

[placid pivot]

Damn so you really could double go down

[mortal violet]

yeah ive done it lol

[placid pivot]

Filthy padder 😂

[mortal violet]

im just helping with mechanics :^)

[placid pivot]

We take those tho

:))))

I’m just helping guys

Well technically you being there on purpose means you understand the fight and doing everything in your ability to help the raid, right

I’m certainly not popping my CDs on the little ones

[iron whale]

guys?

can you hear the sound of stealth when you use the ability?

or is it just me

[strange harness]

so for what are we using vanish now

[placid pivot]

In case the raid wipes and you wanna save on repairs

Stealth sound is bugged

[chilly dagger]

in opener or between blades window

[upbeat cradle]

to replace backstab with a random shadowstrike

[strange harness]

okey

ty

[placid pivot]

More for the energy

[upbeat cradle]

i use it in blade between the two dances

not sure how optimal it is tho

[strange harness]

Before 12.0.5 yeah cause with premed

but now that we dont use premed

idk

[plucky moon]

I dont care for real, im rocking new talents with premed

Im feling sick with backstab opener

No shot im doing that

[deft moss]

same

fuck the 8% healing lol

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

technically its most damage in between the dances

[plucky moon]

We will do tiny bit less dmg but so worth

[shrewd lantern]

because a strike during cloudcover does 150% more crit damage

[deft moss]

wait why

u get rid of something other than the 8% healing? XD

[plucky moon]

It apears that premed is buged

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you cant proc the apex correctly

with premed

[plucky moon]

So with it you do a bit less dmg

[deft moss]

ohhhh

ofc more bugs

yay

[plucky moon]

But quality of life with it is so great so im not gona get rid of it

[shrewd lantern]

you exchange it for a jank opener

[plucky moon]

I rly tried widout it but its so bad, like so so bad

Cant do that

[shrewd lantern]

like 2 backstabs

3 if bad luck

[plucky moon]

I just turn logs to see whats up and i saw some ppl also keep premed and they are doing fine

They do a bit less yeah but still super fine

[still fjord]

does anybody know how to get our stat weight from raidbots?

[alpine wraith]

yea premed rises as you get more crit

im not running without it for now too

[brave moth]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[fallow rampart]

guys someone know maybe, after patch in keys sometimes i have cute fast sound "utility", idk how to explain it, maybe its news some addon idk

[vale vault]

its "fatality" and its ur BugSack

rightclick it on minimap & check "Mute"

[fallow rampart]

ty but before patch i doesnt hear it )

[red flame]

does taking Premed vs not taking Premed affect WS vs PE or is it still p much inconsequential either way (ik WS is more dmg out of cds & PE is more dmg inside sblades & overall theyre roughly equal)

[vale vault]

its because before patch you didnt have massive LUA errors, this patch is fucked

[shrewd lantern]

we love how based the opener is

[native trench]

Vanish after first SS and its a little better

[alpine wraith]

as you get more crit the no premed does more dmg but PE is always moving dmg from normal dances to blades

[shrewd lantern]

technically vanishing in sb

is slightly better

just costs your sanity

[red flame]

so prob always PE then, even w Premed?

[native trench]

yee i was talkin clunkiness of that opener without premed but can use in blades too for sure

[alpine wraith]

depends on what you want

[shadow snow]

what is this bs, feels horible to play raid st

[red flame]

go back to premed, problem solved

[shadow snow]

and get the bug?

[shrewd lantern]

its either or

[red flame]

~0.4% dps loss or be miserable

[shrewd lantern]

you start your opener a few globals late or take the loss

[sonic quail]

We support you no matter your choice

Maybe

[hallow night]

i don't support him.

[placid pivot]

Graf did you bind all your abilities to one button

Dance sectec blades

[shrewd lantern]

i have a macro that fires all 3

and one that just blades

and one that is dance sectech

[verbal hedge]

someone else feels like the cloud is a bait?

[exotic steeple]

Do we still take cloud if we stick to premed?

[chilly dagger]

do you also support me in my debate rerolling to outlaw?

[dusky yacht]

I'm gonna say no it's not because it's a massive dps increase no matter how you look at it

The bugs are just getting very inconvenient

[stuck arrow]

Why do you say that, lol

[sage pond]

cloud is real but not taking premed feels ass, might be true numbers wise but idk

[boreal tiger]

its just 0,4% dps loss swaping to premed with cloud?

[limber notch]

Hello team, can someone give me the rundown on premed

[shadow snow]

can i still play cloud though?

[topaz crow]

idk if it was a bug but on salhadar orbs wanted to sectech pressed like 10 times, animation going off, ability not

[plush pecan]

It’s funny how 3 people asked a similar question and no one can answer

[sonic quail]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[shadow snow]

crazy shiet

[plush pecan]

Im curious too so we wait I guess

[round widget]

I think it’s even less

I’ll sim the talent swap when I get home but it was very minimal

[boreal tiger]

well will sim tomorrow, i will take small dps loss for feeling more comf

[shadow snow]

yeah but can we play premed and cloud?

[warm marlin]

it depends on your character but it wont be more than 1%

[errant pagoda]

do we have any news when its safe to use rolls in m+?

[round widget]

Yes

[willow marten]

You can yes. There is nothing stopping you. Because of the AA interactions, it is a slight dps loss is all.

[plush pecan]

Great to know 👌

Still not able to test anything due to work so hence the curiosity

[boreal tiger]

like back in the day, you diidn't pick that old talent that increased your melee yard because it was dps loss, but i would pick it anyways because its quality of life

[round widget]

Just sim swapping premed for ephemeral bond/quick decisions

[shadow snow]

slight dps loss compared to now, but compared to the old build its still close to 6% buff

[plush pecan]

In Dslice I sim 5k more with could + premed

[willow marten]

The delayed opener feels crummy so I've been rolling with premed just fine in M+. Raid is later today so maybe its a different impact there.

[round widget]

Feels just as terrible in raid

[fiery summit]

Yea but does the sim account for premed ss not proccing AA? Cause that’s a bug

[sonic quail]

I thought raiding felt fine with premed

[fluid moth]

People get so sweaty over 0.4%

[plush pecan]

I guess that answers the question

[sonic quail]

Did some pulls with it, pulls without it, didn’t really notice anything different, just do what ya want

[round widget]

I think it throws off timings on mythic luura as well a bit to not have premed on opener so that dps loss just gets made up with better timings for dance

[willow marten]

I can super see that. L'ura timers are so set

[plush pecan]

0.4% on a raid sim, the true numbers could be higher depending on latency, pull and so on. People want to min max

[fiery summit]

Depends if the sim allows premed ss to proc apex or not though, like I said. If it ignores the bug, the sim won’t show the true difference

[red flame]

i swear i read in here somewhere that it was like 0.4% yea but i might be wrong

[fluid moth]

That plus also timing things people mentioned above

[red flame]

but its 1% or less

[red flame]

yes

[vast dust]

I took the chance in Skyreach after taking extra Voidcore from bad vault tokens and scored Mythic Boots of Burning Focus (needed), Mythic Rigid Scale Cloak (didn’t need, had already) and for icing on the cake mythic Edge of Burning Sun.

Was a bold move but paid off.

[dark creek]

i dont now if i should spend bonus rolls on puzzle box or guidon.. i mainly do m+ but i just love the synergy from guidon with SB.. you all use puzzlle box for m+?

[red flame]

playing no scruples over cloud is like a 6% dps loss

premed over decisions/bond is ~0.4% loss or something i think

ik its 1% or less

[pure cloud]

I got the dagger too and it was my last champion piece

[vast dust]

We both happy Rogues

[pure cloud]

I’m saving my other two tokens to hopefully roll for alnseer if I can pug in for it

[vast dust]

I still needed mythic Boots, dagger and Chest (to cat) so I just went Skyreach.

[outer orchid]

does the sim account for the 30 energy sb bug?
just randomly thought about that and didn't know if it was mentioned

[vast dust]

I’m feeling a drop for me tonight in raid

Since my great vault shafted me

[plush pecan]

Is the 700 haste breakpoint with oils or without?

[pure cloud]

I got 3 chest pieces in my vault mythic track which was one of the only mythic pieces I have lol. So bonus roll it is

[swift tinsel]

With

[plush pecan]

Thanks 👍

[vast dust]

Vault be trollin

[bleak night]

bonus rolls do make bad vaults feel significantly better at least

or they would if mine didnt get fucking wasted by the bug

[pure cloud]

3 shots at mythic alnseer lol, the kill, the vault, the roll

[mellow arrow]

Are you referring to when you leave Dance and go to pop it again right away, but there it's showing a 2-3 second CD remaining on Dance even though you have a charge up (running The First Dance talent that adds 3s to dance so you can Dance again immediately for full uptime during blades)

[empty bobcat]

you cant have emberwing and box at the same time right

[shrewd lantern]

[hallow night]

so what are you removing to keep cloud and premed? cuz it's so ass right now.

[tidal solstice]

do any other DPS specs or even hybrids short of healers with weapons etc have to change their entire set of gear to the extent that outlaw does with ANY other rogue spec?

[dense geode]

Juse use premed

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt outlaw follow similar stats

they just dont like on use trinkets

[vale vault]

^

gearing all rogue specs was never this easy lol

[limber folio]

SO BAD

[dense geode]

The only thing outlaw doesnt want alot of is mastery which is easily solvable

[tidal solstice]

outlaw wants zero mastery now?

[indigo wraith]

is it me or it takes ages to get to 7 combo point on Opening b4 blasting cooldown ?

[limber folio]

i have 4k under the best parse

for this patch

[shrewd lantern]

now?

they've never liked mastery