subtlety

[swift tinsel]

and vice versa

[vale pine]

i mean there was a entire genre called mmofps

[shrewd lantern]

back to when you had to make groups

[vale pine]

but most of these games ended up lobby based

[keen dome]

Planetside, my beloved

[vale pine]

which is very traditional fps

[keen dome]

gunz online

[swift tinsel]

lfg is still this way

[shrewd lantern]

You still neeed some interaction

[swift tinsel]

its just not in trade chat or lfg chat anymore

its not really all that different socially or systemically

if you think about it

[shrewd lantern]

now you just hit a button often

[swift tinsel]

you can't queue m+

[shrewd lantern]

and people dont type in chat except to flame

XD

[swift tinsel]

you have to apply

[shrewd lantern]

you still dont have to talk to people

technically

[keen dome]

There's not a lot of difference between someone advertising "M+15 lf 2 DPS" in a chat channel or listing it in group finder. It's the same process regardless.

[swift tinsel]

exactly

[fleet acorn]

anyone knows do i need to have these 2 enabled? standard was off?
for what is that?

[swift tinsel]

so idk why this whole "the game is less social" thing

[keen dome]

WoW is more social these days. It's just most people aren't

[swift tinsel]

or they have a guild

[keen dome]

Yes.

[swift tinsel]

or circle

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah i meant the playerbase is less

[keen dome]

Become a puglord. You'll see how social WoW is.

Most people just play in an echo chamber.

[swift tinsel]

^^^^^^^

yeah a lot of top-down perspectives

[shrewd lantern]

Oh i meant with how much people want queue systems

[keen dome]

And a lot of people have a complete lack of perception too.

[shrewd lantern]

they want less social interaction

and more queue only

[swift tinsel]

and?

[vale pine]

there is a reboot of that one in the works

[keen dome]

Ahaha, that rules

[swift tinsel]

its a very convenient system

bc some people want that

bc of time

[shrewd lantern]

the game gives you more options but people dont take them

[swift tinsel]

huh

[vale pine]

i never played wolfteam

[swift tinsel]

what soapbox is this lol

[vale pine]

but that is labled as mmofps, and exists since 2006

[shrewd lantern]

idk the whole pugging every season instead of adding people

people more averse to it nowadays

[swift tinsel]

that's totally anecdotal

[shrewd lantern]

adding people for later runs etc

[vale pine]

and iirc has a lobby system so you essentially play maps

[somber sun]

would it be good to swap from mastery + haste to cc + mastery ( if hs breakpoint is met ) on crafted gear for the new patch ?

[swift tinsel]

I've added 3 people this season

wym

this game is more social than ever!

see

[shrewd lantern]

on average

[swift tinsel]

I can just say things

[keen dome]

I've had a guy stalking and harassing me for three weeks. That's a form of social interaction!

[vale pine]

how social is wow in pugs

[keen dome]

I'm living rent free in his head

[vale pine]

every time i pug

[shrewd lantern]

what did you do

[vale pine]

there isn't much communciation

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

idk I chat a lil bit pre-key

[shrewd lantern]

the most communication i see ingame is people arguing politics in tradechat

[vale pine]

okay, thats not the attention i look for

[swift tinsel]

if you want the game to be more social in pugs, talk more

[vale pine]

i have trade chat dissabled

[swift tinsel]

ig

[keen dome]

I love trade chat

[swift tinsel]

its really not that deep

[keen dome]

Watch this

[vocal torrent]

had someone threaten to doxx me over a joke in trade chat

good luck buddy

[vale pine]

a very smart man told me once that its a waste of time to argue in online chats in games

[raw mantle]

perfect

[keen dome]

That's true but I'm doing it anyway

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah real normal behavior

[late wing]

is deathstalker going to be viable?

[lilac stag]

Clearly missing trinket. RIP

[shrewd lantern]

anytime i get a “potentially offensive hidden message” in game

guesd what content its from

[keen dome]

pvp

trade chat

[shrewd lantern]

yep

[swift tinsel]

pet battles

[lilac stag]

Delves

[raw mantle]

have it on champ🥲 but went puzzle to 1 phase beloren hc

[somber sun]

highly contested trinket 😔

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-james-franco-gif-7829182

how dare

[keen dome]

See, this is the power of trade chat.

You tell people to post cats and they do

[dry flame]

Just last week after a solid 16 MT:
Tank: Rogue dmg was crazy.
Me: Thanks man, good pulls! Wanna run some more sometimes?
Tank: No ty //has left the group//

[timid rose]

for me it's almost always from my friends 😄

[swift tinsel]

doing the lord's work

[shrewd lantern]

yeah people are averse

[keen dome]

I def feel like some people are. It's surreal a lot of the time. Those same people are the people who will vocally proclaim WoW is anti-social and the LFG ruined it, etc.

[shrewd lantern]

and my raid /1 chat is anal spam

[swift tinsel]

some people are averse

or just averse that day

also possible

[vale pine]

(i told that to myself after realizing that arguing in chat in lol loses focus, disabling chat -> which means basically moving it off screen back then, increased my win rate to 80-90% and started a insane climp --- but got me bored of the game)

[keen dome]

If you ever want to make chat improve, just become the change. Ask important questions. Challenge perceptions.

[lilac stag]

I know how toxic I am to myself thank you very much

[swift tinsel]

I'm just happy they fixed the title

[shrewd lantern]

90% of time i see something in /1

its a shitpost

[keen dome]

Shitposting is good

[shrewd lantern]

like a guy asking about his wife’s boyfriend

[dry flame]

True

I get discouraged and don't text at one point

[swift tinsel]

ye like some days I just wanna do a key for vault and unplug

[stuck arrow]

Inspirational guy Gestalt.

[swift tinsel]

other days I'm a social butterfly and chattin it up pre and post-key

[keen dome]

This is the power I have

[shrewd lantern]

since i moved my char alli its fine

horde spams trade with politics

[keen dome]

drop this in a raid /1 and I promise you, you'll cause some raid group to wipe

[shrewd lantern]

for some reason

[keen dome]

for some reason all horde chat on AD seems to talk about is Big Men.

[swift tinsel]

there used to be a legend in /1 raid in SL and part of DF named Gortholax whose entire bit was talking about expanding people's colons

[keen dome]

haha

[swift tinsel]

to this day we talk about him

[shrewd lantern]

isnt AD’s hub old silvermoon

[timid rose]

man sargeras ally was all politics last US election cycle

[shrewd lantern]

male belf erp i imagine

[stuck arrow]

Meanwhile Alliance chat in raid is like 99% waifu copy pastas.

[keen dome]

nah, horde is pretty limited on AD

Probably gotten more these days since midnight but alliance has always been dominant.

[shrewd lantern]

isnt sarg mostly pvp

[swift tinsel]

see the real hoppin chat channel is Trade (Services)

[shrewd lantern]

pvpers and classic andys are the fastest places to spot someone dropping a gamerword

[keen dome]

I love how services is compltely unreadable non-stop spam

[swift tinsel]

yeah its so gnarly lol

[keen dome]

it's the funniest possible solution to the problem and I'm so annoyed they didn't go the whole way and have it be entirely opt-in.

[swift tinsel]

just advert text block after advert text block

[timid rose]

i have no idea tbh, i was just there to join a guild. now i have toons on sarg/cho/laughingskull/bleeding hollow that i play, mostly so i can have my name

[keen dome]

Just banish them to their own purgatory

[limpid sage]

private server wow is even crazier

just straight up LoL comms pre toxicity being bannable

[shrewd lantern]

isnt that the same as classic

[keen dome]

100% agreed. Classic players, by which I mean the people who are adamant that it was the best WoW was + the hardest + most complex are the strangest, often worst, people.

[swift tinsel]

didn't blizz kill all of the private servers?

[shrewd lantern]

its the boomers who come from an era where calling someone an fslur was normal comms

[keen dome]

They're stuck in the past, words and all.

[stuck arrow]

It was always bannable - just 50% chance the tribunal took your side before lol.

[keen dome]

nah, they don't give a shit about most of them 'cos they're not absolute morons.

As in the private servers aren't.

[timid rose]

i will say after never being in this discord, and my impression of rogue players from pvp, i've found this place to be super welcoming

[swift tinsel]

I always wanted to try out Ascension WoW and make some bonkers combo

[limpid sage]

ah ye forgot humans reviewed back then

[keen dome]

I think that's still going

[stuck arrow]

Ravenholdt is the best tbh.

[keen dome]

Ravenholdt had some absolutely incredible management and moderation that makes it a great community, imo. They do a great job of keeping it accessible and friendly.

[shrewd lantern]

someone told me brazilian league got way more pc

[swift tinsel]

one of my guildmates went realllllllly hard into Ascension and talked it up a lot and it sounded pretty awesome

[shrewd lantern]

after riot required people to submit their ids

[keen dome]

I'm also looking forward to pride this year. For both that it's pride and because last year was so funny.

[shrewd lantern]

[limpid sage]

ye I find myself coming in here despite not having touched my rogue since prepatch

[swift tinsel]

gonna have to put tally marks on the logo for every crashout ban

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

speaking of

[shrewd lantern]

i love my corporate shills hanging up their flags for a month

[keen dome]

I think they said that the class discords collectively banned upward of 1k people or something? lmao

[shrewd lantern]

then removing them on july 1st

[timid rose]

I've been a monk main since legion, and Peak is the same way.

[swift tinsel]

holy shit lmao

[shrewd lantern]

not a marketing scheme

[keen dome]

Yeah they should leave the pride logo on all year.

[shrewd lantern]

wdym

[keen dome]

I love the thing the monk discord did

[swift tinsel]

WA still has it lol

[wicked bear]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

I had no idea it did that til you said this, that owns

100/10 love it

[keen dome]

Funniest possible way to do it.

[swift tinsel]

right its so sneaky

[timid rose]

the animation changes if you mouseover on it

[swift tinsel]

ye

[shrewd lantern]

What’d they do again

[keen dome]

oh I meant the donation drive

[swift tinsel]

was that the one that they donated per ban or something

[stuck arrow]

It's also awesome that like - any question you have about rogue you likely get a real answer with percentages.

Then you play like DH or lock or whatever and it's just feelycraft all the way down.

Unless you're playing a tank and asking about tanks - in which case they have tank DPS down to a science and you're trolling if you don't have perfect tank DPS talents / optimization. What's a cheat death? Those talents are bad for tanks clearly.

[swift tinsel]

vague memory

[keen dome]

Let me get the image

[swift tinsel]

Babs was funny about it on twitter I remember that much

[shrewd lantern]

I’m mostly laughing at the retailers who are doing the most blatant pandering for people to buy seasonal merch

[timid rose]

They basically did a "put your money where your mouth is" and whichever side donated more to the cause got the icon

[astral axle]

it is too bad it can't both be possible that pride is cynically exploited by capitalist pigs and sincerely celebrated by people who still have to fight to exist as they are

[shrewd lantern]

i got a friend who jokes you cant be mean to him in june though

[lucid jackal]

Gonna go out on a limb and say corporation, even if hollow, supporting gay rights is a good thing

[timid rose]

Visibility to it is always good. Letting people know they are seen and matter... matters.

[lucid jackal]

Who cares if it's pandering if the alternative is... Literally nothing

[swift tinsel]

found it!

[keen dome]

That's it!

It's so good

[swift tinsel]

right that's fucking incredible

[hazy breach]

Here comes guy with his hot takes again.... /s

[shrewd lantern]

Honestly the peak logo it works with

imo

[lucid jackal]

Always a contrarian

[swift tinsel]

that tracks

[keen dome]

Pride is good and cool. Be gay, be rogue, do burst.

[astral axle]

this time with fart clouds

[warm marlin]

im ngl i liked the pride ravenholdt logo better

[keen dome]

Same

[swift tinsel]

I also like this one

[keen dome]

I'm excited to see it return and maybe it won't go away when pride ends like the christmas one lasting into, what.. Feburary?

[shrewd lantern]

Wheres the person who jokes guy would thank blizz for dumping in his mouth

[timid rose]

but... man now i might just keep being a rogue main... being stuck in forever FoF channel and not being able to kick feels awful

[hazy breach]

A true contrarian would play assa on reset

[shrewd lantern]

it was neat

[swift tinsel]

ohhhh shiiii

Eleem from the top rope

[keen dome]

We have an actual pride event in WoW now, too.

I'm sure someone is going to crash out in an incredibly funny manner because of it.

[swift tinsel]

I hope so lol

[stoic anchor]

is he wrong tho

[timid rose]

I truly hope so, it lets me know who to avoid

[swift tinsel]

just a public shaming for that type of behavior

[alpine wraith]

we had some crazy good highlights las year

[marble path]

If blizzard actually pandered to gays then rogue would’ve been meta this tier

am i right girlies

[astral axle]

[shrewd lantern]

havent people already

[alpine wraith]

slay it queen

[timid rose]

wait, is being gay required to be a rogue?

[swift tinsel]

its such a silly thing to have a complete meltdown over

[timid rose]

i uhh... need to go tell my wife something

[keen dome]

They have, but you know there'll be some people who haven't paid attention.

And then the event will go live and they'll explode

[alpine wraith]

just tell her you converted again

[swift tinsel]

I can make more funeral gifs

[keen dome]

bisexuality exists, so.

[timid rose]

I'm more like a 1 on the kinsey scale

[swift tinsel]

my pronouns are Shadow/Dance

actually that would kinda go hard ngl

[timid rose]

there was a running joke that she was my beard for quite some time before we got married

[keen dome]

I hope Blizz add some actual pride colours, too. The tabard from the event is good, but I'd like something with the actual colours on it too

Seems like a pretty good use for a cosmetic cloak / tabard.

[shrewd lantern]

surprised there hasnt been a tabard

[swift tinsel]

If we could design pride floats that would own incredibly hard

and use them as a mount

[shrewd lantern]

would be a mogging nightmare but

[keen dome]

Ye, but it'd be cool

[vale pine]

i need a good transmog

:/

[shrewd lantern]

realistically this game is unfair

i need more male nudity mog options

for fairness

[swift tinsel]

I've got a very simple one atm

[fair stump]

Is our rotation gonna change with the changes tomorrow? Aside from the opener

[shrewd lantern]

🗿

[timid rose]

I'm just rolling panda heritage, without hat/shoulders, and slinging some fans around

[vale pine]

nope

[keen dome]

agreed

[shrewd lantern]

Lack of good simple shoes imo

[timid rose]

i really like how the fan fist weapons look with the panda rogue animations

[drifting igloo]

Might already be answered but didn't see it in the FAQ, is Puzzle Box generally considered to be better in M+ over Guidon? I simmed myself and it pulls ahead in the dungeon slice by about 1300 dps, I also see a disproportionate number of top rogue rotations using puzzle box in M+ on Archon (thought it was due to not getting Guidon, but by this point I assume most top rogues have gotten it).

[timid rose]

Just go barefoot... xally does it

[swift tinsel]

this one for when I'm feelin purple

[fair stump]

Oh, so we don't use SStorm during blades?

[shrewd lantern]

mfo pants and chest are so good

for mogging

[swift tinsel]

shoes in general kinda weak for mogging

[vale pine]

we play the same as before

[fair stump]

kk

just that the opener is cursed lol

[vale pine]

ye

[swift tinsel]

I want fist weps that are either invisible or just a ring that I can put a wep illusion on

[shrewd lantern]

monk handwraps

[fair stump]

Yeah, the monk one

[swift tinsel]

can't illusion

and also monk-only

[astral axle]

[timid rose]

this is true... shoes are either too big/clunky or like slippers

[shrewd lantern]

sub kind of works with non daggers animation wise

[shrewd lantern]

just dont look at how your character casts backstab

[timid rose]

idk, it kinda works with the fan... just jabs em in 🙂

[fair stump]

how does that work, anim wise?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah panda works with panda mogs

kinda iffy otherwise

[swift tinsel]

ye dagger animation is kinda almost punching

[timid rose]

it's a lot of swinging the fans around

[fair stump]

Kinda like the swords?

[shrewd lantern]

i wanna see data

[timid rose]

like shadowstrike is a big wide right handed swing of the fan

[shrewd lantern]

on how many sword mog rogues are either

thunderfury or the zm lightsabers

[timid rose]

bs is a jab with it

[keen dome]

Come wednesday, I'm ghostblading it up

[shrewd lantern]

why are you not already

[fair stump]

I have a mog without either of those :D

[swift tinsel]

I've got the blue sword on mythic nerubar set and they match quite well

[keen dome]

don't like them on the back

[timid rose]

BP you swing your fans out and then arms back, so looks like the powder is exploding from the fans

[shrewd lantern]

i use kyveza fists

lmao

[keen dome]

Sad there aren't colours of those

[fair stump]

Man I wasn't able to get that mog and I'm pissed

[north garnet]

[keen dome]

They're the same colour on all difficulties so you can probably go farm it on normal now

[swift tinsel]

works well enough

[spare oar]

We push weapon first to 298?

[stoic anchor]

elite set look 10010234871237821783 times better

[spare oar]

Ah pins

Sorry

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i mean i use the mfo cosmetic helm

[keen dome]

Weapons are 100% the first move

[stoic anchor]

it's purple

[keen dome]

Big dam

[fair stump]

tis my sword mog

[swift tinsel]

Imma have to use my ascendant core on my crafted dagger unless I roll a myth one tomorrow

[shrewd lantern]

i like the lfr color of nerubar

[swift tinsel]

depending on when they go live

[shrewd lantern]

the most

[swift tinsel]

heroic/mythic nerubar are my favs

[keen dome]

ye same but if I pull gaze from vault I might go spend my first 1 charges on nexus

[swift tinsel]

the face effects are SO cool

[timid rose]

this is the other one i'm rocking, i like the new broken swords from the current tier

[stoic anchor]

get mogged

[swift tinsel]

your face is space

[swift tinsel]

who are you?

[shrewd lantern]

that doesnt even match

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's great. I love the Nerubar tier

But I also love the current tier

[north garnet]

Outlaw buffed ahh

[shrewd lantern]

bro put the wrong tabard on that set

[keen dome]

I am a little sad that the purple of the glad helm doesn't match any of the Nerubar stuff

[shrewd lantern]

thematically playing outlaw without the mt rapiers

feels weird

[swift tinsel]

heroic though my favorite color scheme

[fair stump]

oh those daggers are awesome, I wanna reach elite on pvp for the red version

[swift tinsel]

the blue/green

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's good

[swift tinsel]

and the hidden Kingslayer base color matches perfectly

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[timid rose]

seriously... blizzard is SO bad with different colors they use being "slightly" different across each tier that it makes it hard to get good matches 🙁

[swift tinsel]

they're a little too skeletal for the set overall but the colors work

[keen dome]

Yeah..

[swift tinsel]

wow needs a color dropper/dye system

yesterday

[keen dome]

Sigh.

[hazy breach]

Hello patrick

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[swift tinsel]

the myth set matches my Void Breacher title so it all works out

[timid rose]

i need to learn how to pvp as rogue, a week in here and getting sub down for M+ i need to chase that dagger now lol

[swift tinsel]

and black hole hearthstone

its a whole vibe

[shrewd lantern]

what the heck is void breacher

[keen dome]

It's fun. Chasing elite each season is a fun project

Way easier as the season goes on, too

[fossil forge]

[swift tinsel]

this hearthstone owns so hard

[fossil forge]

that hs is goated

[keen dome]

Amazing

[timid rose]

Yah I've not pvpd on anything but ww since legion

[swift tinsel]

cata for me lol

just not a pvp andy anymore

cba

[velvet jay]

Maybe a lazy noob question. But with the 12.0.5 changes, is sublety the best specc?

[swift tinsel]

it will be quite bursty

if you like sub now it will be better tomorrow

or wednesday if EU

[velvet jay]

I've read the opener is abit more clunky :P

[fossil forge]

what changed

[swift tinsel]

no premed

so we stabbin

[fossil forge]

no premed so more backstab?

[swift tinsel]

ye

[fossil forge]

but besides this nothing no?

[velvet jay]

yeah

[fossil forge]

ss go brr

[swift tinsel]

so a little longer to get into cds instead of just strike->swifty macro

[somber sun]

is crit THAT good now btw ?

[hazy breach]

Not really

You still go haste until breakpoint and then fill the rest with crit mastery

[somber sun]

much appreciated

tyty

[drifting igloo]

Bump

[swift tinsel]

I still might swap a craft over to crit and a ring maybe since I'm quite mastery heavy atm

[fossil forge]

platinum star band gang 💯

[hazy breach]

Yeah grab some crit flasks instead of mastery and youre mostly good

Mastery still better for aoe

[swift tinsel]

this bad johnson really propping up my mastery atm lol

between that and Bifurcation Band

[fossil forge]

im swapping out that ring and omission for m+ and raid

[sullen hare]

it's not like that ring is bad it's just no jojos ring from AA

[swift tinsel]

they're my only two hero rings I've gotten so far

[sullen hare]

I'm running 276 PSB and myth bifurcation so my rogue is well-positioned

[swift tinsel]

I might honestly craft tomorrow

[leaden thorn]

32 agi or crit meta gem?

[swift tinsel]

sitting on 290 myth crests atm

[fossil forge]

🏦

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-do-it-gif-10270118

[timid rose]

my dslice basically told me to change to the NPX set instead of npx + MT haste/mast rings but didn't dump me out of mast completely for M+

[swift tinsel]

still only have 1 myth item equipped bc raid loot cucking

and not dropping hc guidon/gaze so I had to take them from vault which is cool end of the day bc I have them both

[sullen hare]

same, that's why I have used all of my sparks lmao

my n guidon is good enough and I got a hero gays from vault

[swift tinsel]

I just have dagger and belt atm bc I have vora bracers with socket and crafted didn't sim well last I saw

[sullen hare]

I'm at daggy, boots, belt right now

[fossil forge]

@tribal blade unc rio check?

[sullen hare]

considering cloak

[fossil forge]

wthelly

[swift tinsel]

though if I get hc voidsong chain that'd be cool too then I can swap some other stuff for more crit/mastery

[sullen hare]

maybe pantalones

[swift tinsel]

got hero tier boots atm

[sullen hare]

oh yeah I should consider a neck. I'm running the champion version of the rag neck

[swift tinsel]

got this shitter in my bags lol

timewalking did me dirty across all toons lol

[sullen hare]

yikers

[tulip viper]

can we finally delete puzzle box for a crit trink

[alpine wraith]

puzzle is decent on m+

[sullen hare]

this is what I've been rockin'

[timid rose]

that's how i felt a bout the myth week chests on all my toons

[sullen hare]

I guess it's domo not rag but I'm not sure what the difference is at this point they're both haste mastery necks

[drifting igloo]

Is it better than Guidon with full BiS on wowhead in m+?

[sullen hare]

pretty sure puzzy b blasts in m+

[small sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[leaden thorn]

whats up with sharing trashloot hit some keys and u get loot 3 times over 🙂

[sullen hare]

I don't like it though because guidon is so integral to ST damage for bosses

[fair stump]

I have been using this so far lol

[swift tinsel]

except that's not how it works 😄

[sullen hare]

so you'll pad super hard on big pulls and suck a fat one during boss damage

[fair stump]

bis neck is very rare drop from crown :x

[red flame]

So real, every key I get in I do decent aoe & then absolutely fucking shred bosses

[sullen hare]

it was objectively a good neck until our stat distribution did a big ol flip flop

[red flame]

A lot of keys I’ll easily be doubling other dps dmg on most bosses

[small sleet]

i think puzzy b is a complete bait in m+

[swift tinsel]

ye I like being a boss killer

[fossil forge]

🧢

[small sleet]

on the biggest pulls you do, you can just reck pot to get a shit ton of mastery

[red flame]

Same fr it feels so awesome

[drifting igloo]

This is my experience too, I just switched to Recklessness pot for AoE and still pull close to 96k on ST. Though was browsing Archon and saw so many top keys using Box

[fossil forge]

Purplepotionsupremacy

[fair stump]

hmm, you guys are using recklessness?

[small sleet]

reck pot for aoe in m+ only

[red flame]

I use light potential & haste flask bc I don’t have enough

[astral mountain]

Lights potential?

[swift tinsel]

ye I just use main stat pot

[sullen hare]

I don't think it's bait but I think a lot of people see "biggest dps = best item" and it's just not true when you have breakpoints you need to hit. If you're able to sit at 700 haste all day long without guidon I don't see the problem with a mastery trinket for big dammie wammies

[swift tinsel]

bc I have a lot of them

[astral mountain]

Is there a problem with running shattered sun flask and light pot?

[small sleet]

problem is you can only puzzle box every other cd set

[drifting igloo]

Light's potential in Raid for sure

[swift tinsel]

you'll be doing that on reset anyways

[sullen hare]

true but if you're about the pug life like I am you're not getting optimal use of your CDs anyway

[swift tinsel]

can use light pot or reck

[astral mountain]

I’ve been using light primarily is there much loss in mplus for using light over reckless ?

[fossil forge]

puzzle b is a good option if your tanks knows how to pull around you

[swift tinsel]

you can always sim the difference and see if you're curious

[hazy breach]

Not that big of a difference, but you must get mastery from it for it to be worth

[small sleet]

its fine unless youre really trying to min max

[sullen hare]

but my 77 vers noooooooooooooooooooo

[swift tinsel]

bro that 0.71% is huge

[hazy breach]

So if you have crit as your highest stat you would never, and you must use it before guidon if you have that

[swift tinsel]

(I think that's how much I have too lol)

[sullen hare]

sorry I forgot the /s

[leaden thorn]

i dont raid so idc about that but you can for sure get good enough loot in dungeons instead of rocking champion gear. spam 14-15s no one needs anything so everyone can share drops

[sullen hare]

my bad. finger must have slipped because it's 4/20

[drifting igloo]

I simmed and oddly Box pulls ahead even on a Patchwerk sim

[steep epoch]

Do i want to use my vanish to garrote inside of deathmark or right before it?

[swift tinsel]

"just spam 14-15's" as rogue lmao

[limpid sage]

Is it not possible to cancelaura premed? I remember it being implemented in the APL a while ago but don’t know why we wouldn’t play premed and just cancelaura it when we don’t want it?

[red flame]

Wrong channel

[small sleet]

even in coordinated groups, i havent seen a single log that made me feel like puzzle box actually outdoes guidon in m+

[sullen hare]

#assassination-faq @steep epoch

[steep epoch]

oh, LOL my bad, I was in assassination channel on my comp at work xD

thanks for the redirect

[sullen hare]

to answer your question:

Vanish on cooldown every 2 min. Line up with Deathmark if possible for ease. In raid fights it can be beneficial to hold sometimes to spread improved garrote onto adds for example, this will vary wildly based on your raid. In Mythic+, you should try and hold vanish for a situation where you don't get a restealth, or a really long pull.

[drifting igloo]

Which I believe translates to "make sure you use recklessness pot before Guidon"

[steep epoch]

ty!

[fossil forge]

mastery stocks me happy ape

[leaden thorn]

yea? thats what i did

[astral mountain]

So I’m guessing I got too much crit lol

[sullen hare]

also 📸 caught in 4k looking at the (good?) life of subtlety from the (slum?) life of the assassination discord (ghetto)

[fossil forge]

r u playing sin

[astral mountain]

Sub

[red flame]

real af

[fossil forge]

sussy

[sullen hare]

that's a pretty cute stat distribution come tomorrow

[fossil forge]

way too low mastery no

[swift tinsel]

there's 1 haste-heavy neck in all dungeons and its heavy haste/vers so that's not really that great of an alternative

[red flame]

That’s what I’m stuck with xd

The haste vers

[sullen hare]

it's too much crit for the subtlety of this week but not for the subtlety of next week

[leaden thorn]

why are we pretending that sub doesnt have enough dmg for a 15 🙂

[swift tinsel]

its not about damage its about lfg

[red flame]

Dmg isn’t the issue

[swift tinsel]

and queue simulator

[leaden thorn]

whats the issue?

[small sleet]

is it actually like crazy hard for yall to get into groups? i havent really found that to be the case

[red flame]

This has to be ragebait atp

Lol

[sullen hare]

that emote is so deep fried it's crunchy. I love it

[fossil forge]

depends on key lvl rly

[small sleet]

it only takes me like 4-5 apps to get into a group in 18s usually

[astral mountain]

I’m pretty new raiding with rogue, and new to sub in general
My guild doesn’t have any sub rouge players so im kinda just learning as i go 😂

[chilly dagger]

Will Outlaws 13% DPS upgrade bring them on a more "meta-ish" spot than Sub? Is it possible to tell who is on #1-#3 from our specs?

[swift tinsel]

dudes talking about just hopping into 14-15's which have considerably more competition

[leaden thorn]

im not hopping im doing my key mostly

[small sleet]

i guess so thats fair

[sullen hare]

well, you blindly wandered into a pretty advantageous stat spread for 12.0.5 so at least you got that going for you @astral mountain

[fossil forge]

it deadass might be harder to get into a 15 than a 18

[warm marlin]

you know

[fossil forge]

they are waiting for gingi and imfiredup to join their key in 15s

[astral mountain]

I’ve never used Warcraft logs before but I have a link for my guilds test run on a normal boss yesterday. Really just trying to learn Rogue better 😂

[warm marlin]

i cant believe i didnt think of this

[small sleet]

you cant cancel premed

[warm marlin]

since when

[small sleet]

even if youre not in stealth, you cant click the buff off

i dunno, im tryin it right now

[swift tinsel]

idk when they did it but you def can't

[hazy breach]

Its not

[swift tinsel]

maybe when they did it to DN

[warm marlin]

incredible

[plush roost]

I think cancel aura premed was brought up -> "good idea" -> "oh you cant" about 6 times now

[drifting igloo]

FAQ material

[warm marlin]

do you know when it first got changed

i feel like it was possible to ca not that long ago

[hazy breach]

Hasnt been possible since the apex was introduced atleast

[warm marlin]

[ionic wave]

anyone notice that when shadow stepping to two different targets back to back the first step will work but the second step will go to the first target even when the second target is targetted/highlighted?

[swift tinsel]

Can’t say I’ve experienced that

[opaque valve]

something happened to me tonight, haste stopped affecting my shadow dance duration? even with guidon up it was 5 seconds

tried relogging tried everything and it didn't get fixed

on l'ura mythic. anybody experienced something similar?

[hazy breach]

Ive read about it before ye, swapping talents should fix it

[graceful rock]

Can you live beloren mythic soaks with just feint? RL asked me this but sounds like you need cloak to

[alpine wraith]

you can

just also remember to have fade to nothing up

you get hit by like around 400k total if everyone correctly is soaking

[graceful rock]

So vanish fient

[alpine wraith]

so both feint and fade should enough

[small sleet]

this happens to me if i try to mouseover step a different target directly after shadowstepping the mob im targetting

[ionic wave]

i dont use a mouseover but it happens to me if the steps are immediately after each other

[small sleet]

if i manually target the new mob, i dont have any issues

[astral mountain]

That is so annoying, mouseover step works most the time. But when it don’t and you step to the boss when you mouseover a mob and then the mob is even FURTHER away then before you started 😂

[small sleet]

yeah having to awkwardly waddle over after doin that makes me feel real dumb

[red flame]

I unironically have almost every ability as a mouseover

[astral mountain]

Every now and then when the mouseover kick freaks out and jus kicks nothing, also a feels bad

[marble comet]

hey where can i link my log to get flamed?

[red flame]

So fkn real

[small sleet]

type !log

[marble comet]

!log

[fair stump]

Do we have any replacement for beloren's dagger?

[hazy breach]

Any other dagger

[red flame]

W/e myth dagger you can get

[fair stump]

are we recrafting from haste mastery to haste crit?

[hazy breach]

Maybe if you have like 1000 mastery and 200 crit

But generally its just the same as before

[fair stump]

okay

[astral mountain]

Yk im new to simming I must of been messing something up cause id sim and it just would have me go for the one with more crit. I never stepped back and thought “damn maybe 916 crit to my 630 master is bad” 😂

[red flame]

Do we have a ballpark % of crit we’re shooting for tmr or just however much we can get after the haste breakpoint ?

[cinder swan]

what if i just mythic craft my 2nd dagger? that fine?

[hazy breach]

Get 700 haste and then crit+mastery

[red flame]

Word, appreciate it

[cinder swan]

is oils included with the 700 right?

[red flame]

Ye

Gear + oils to 700

[hazy breach]

Idk people have gaslit themselves into thinking we need like 2k crit. Crit being slightly better does not mean mastery is completely dogshit and unplayable

[red flame]

Can also use haste flask if you don’t have enough but mastery/crit is ideal otherwise

[red flame]

Oh for sure, I was just wondering bc I have like ~26% crit I think
I had bad rings for currently but I’m in a decent position for tmr

[astral mountain]

So crit is running about equal to mastery?

[red flame]

Tracks are rough but I currently have hero occlusion of void + champ platinum star band

[cinder swan]

yea same

[red flame]

Also PSB is just essentially the m+ equivalent of band of hope ya?

As far as the wowhead bis goes

For tmr

[astral axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[hollow spear]

I think we need 3k crit

[astral axle]

idk my tv is 4k so wouldn't that be better?

[ripe flame]

just crit bro

it aint that hard

[astral axle]

otherwise how can my tv compute the crit

[hollow spear]

True, my pc is at 4k. Need pixelmatching.

My fps during egg phase is 0, which is exactly how much vers we want

[ripe flame]

just tell your demo locks to dismiss all their shitty pets that are making your pc explode ||(this may be misinformation )||

[lucid jackal]

Idk what peoples problem with stats are

One, idk how people are even getting stat spreads like this to begin with

Just spawning in with 1500 of a stat or something crazy

And two, how do people have so much gear to even flex large stat swings at all rn LOL

Also like, mastery and crit have been similar value on st all expac

[graceful rock]

Is elusiveness on beloren a good idea?

[warm marlin]

no

[hollow spear]

Extremely large probably not, but with quite some pieces still being hero track I'd argue that flexibility is rather high now and will go down before it goes up again

[small sleet]

for ptr simming, the premed thing hasnt been fixed yet right?

like if i sim myself on ptr right now, it should still show dropping premed as a dps loss instead of a gain

[warm marlin]

it will show as a good gain

was like 800dps or something i think

600 maybe

[small sleet]

weird its showing as a 1k dps loss right now, but it could be due to the fact im not simming all raid buffs/my crit not being that high

[swift tinsel]

Idk I literally have twice as much mastery as crit so I’m looking at balancing them a little more

[jade oasis]

too late, already disenchanted all my mastery gear

[gilded ferry]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

It’s not all that difficult to have a neck or ring + 2-3 recrafts to swing stats

[lilac stag]

You’re fine. Outlaw tier…

[small sleet]

ok nvm its cuz i was simming the aoe build

once i put rotten/weaponmaster in, dropping premed shows as a st gain

[hazy breach]

Instructions unclear, disenchanted my nuts

[timid rose]

They turned to dust?

[drifting igloo]

What does "a few" translate to in practice?

3, 4, 5 seconds?

[lilac stag]

Item restoration: 🥜

[hazy breach]

3-5, but generally its moreso "if you cannot build to 7 cp for sectech before its ready"

[lilac stag]

Few means 3. So typical 3 seconds give or take.

[drifting igloo]

ty!

[silent osprey]

is it normal to not be able to coup de grace saladbar orbs?

[small sleet]

like it wont let you cast the ability on it?

[silent osprey]

ya

[lilac stag]

are you using the BP macro?

[small sleet]

i dont think ive run into that

[silent osprey]

nope

just did random hero pug and i just couldnt hit the orbs with it lmao

[small sleet]

the big ones or the little ones?

wait are the little ones even in heroic

[lilac stag]

stand closer. I’ve not had it happen so unless it’s new you’re out of range.

[silent osprey]

i could use other abilities on it

was why i was wondering

def a chance i was out of range for the coup but not other globals tho

but i was mashing it and getting my bussiness up in that orb so im not sure

but if its not common prob just a me issue

[wicked bear]

Is raidbot updated with the changes for tomorrow?

[small sleet]

turn on advanced mode, put ptr=1 in the header

[hazy breach]

Tomorrow it will be yes

[small sleet]

@hazy breach am i wrong in assuming that for aoe scenarios, dropping premed isnt really a gain anymore once you hit 7 targets since your shuriken storms wouldnt be able to proc shadows anyways since its not using any sht stacks? or is there another aspect of dropping premed that im missing that still makes it worth it

[hazy breach]

Well at that point premed isnt a gain anyway

So youre better of with another talent anyway, even if its just utility

[small sleet]

well im looking at it from the frame of m+, where with a coordinated group like i have, we're rarely pulling less than 7 targets, and since losing premed is simming as a dps loss for me in single target with the aoe build, it seems like it makes more sense for me to keep premed for m+ even after the change

[chilly dagger]

where exactly in the header do I need to put ptr=1? 😮

[chilly dagger]

im dumb, dont find this on my sim xD

[small sleet]

click the custom apl and simc options drop down

click the checkbox to turn on expert mode and those boxes will pop up

[chilly dagger]

ahhh got it!

So only header ptr=1 and the rest remains as usual? 😮

[small sleet]

yep

[chilly dagger]

Thanks!! 🙂

[small sleet]

np

[exotic steeple]

no more stand in city like npc after 12.05??

[upbeat sorrel]

you guys think DK or DH is better for an m+ alt

[exotic steeple]

dk

[stoic sphinx]

shadow priest

[plush roost]

Why would premed post change sim as an upgrade in aoe build?

Ur dropping weaponmaster for potent, while premed cucks your apex talent

I dont know why that would result in an upgrade

[stoic sphinx]

can i delete this now

[wet pelican]

I know the wowhead guide got updated but is puzzlebox still going to be an upgrade over solarflare prism (after changes tomorrow)

[plush roost]

Unfortunately...

1100 ds was a banger

For 1 week

[stoic sphinx]

thank god

[plush roost]

W

[stoic sphinx]

deathstalker is poop

[plush roost]

Its really fun on lura idk

But any swap and i sleep

[small sleet]

im specifically simming it with the raid buffs that i have in my m+ group, which means no skyfury, so maybe the lack of extra combo points from that is making the difference? im not sure why, but the amount of eviscerates i was losing was losing more damage than the amount of shadowstrike damage i was gaining

[light finch]

really like how they try to fix deathstalker with every patch now, maybe just bury it and make something new.

[plush roost]

U playin rdruid

[small sleet]

bruh im playing with fire mage and destro lock

[plush roost]

Holy

[small sleet]

rdruid is the least of my worries LOL

[plush roost]

Time to go devour bud

Accept AI

[small sleet]

listen

[plush roost]

And bring chaos brand

Hehe

[small sleet]

i played havoc last season

just for that

[plush roost]

Me 2 XD

[small sleet]

i cant do it 2 seasons in a row

[chilly dagger]

What would you guys pick?

On Dungeon slice gloves sim +750dps, weapon -600; while on Patchwerk Weapon sims +1800dps and gloves +1300

currently I have a crafted and a hero weap

[plush roost]

A myth mh

Will always be bis

[chrome quiver]

why do we want crit instead of mastery now?

i see our bislist have changed

[light finch]

new hero talent change

[plush roost]

New talent gibes 150% crit damage in blades

Aka

Crit gud

[chrome quiver]

crit very gud

[marble comet]

hey i posted a log review earlier can someone pls guide me?

[chrome quiver]

i see

[chilly dagger]

but why it sims lower? 🙁

[chrome quiver]

ty

[plush roost]

Dslice isnt exactly a good way to top gear

[light finch]

do you use the old weapon in offhand or do you lose your emballishment ?

[upbeat sorrel]

are we crit haste gamers now

[small sleet]

not really, crit is just higher value than it was

mastery still good

[chrome quiver]

just ABIT anoying when i took shaggy pants first week AND the dagger from vora last week 🥲

my last two vaults have legit been a WASTE

[chilly dagger]

New myth weapon to mainhand and crafted embelishment weapon goes to offhand.. do I lose embelishment in offhand?

[shell relic]

Why my shadow dance now lasts 6 seconds when yesterday it lasted almost 8 seconds? (same items and talents) both days

[light finch]

should be alright

[chilly dagger]

it sims higher in Patchwerk, somehow just loses in Dungeon Slice.. Maybe like Charrend says, Patchwerk better for top gear?

[shell relic]

Any ideas?

[iron imp]

First dance?

[shell relic]

all dances

today during 6 sec yesterday 7-8 seg

[iron imp]

No, the talent. First dance would make it 8. Do you have logs?

[small sleet]

change deepening shadows to something else, then change it back and it might fix it

[shell relic]

i see just a second

[lilac stag]

@plush roost what color name come tomorrow?

[shell relic]

i will try in raid thanks all

[drifting igloo]

Regarding the part after the semicolon: is the "10 second remaining" phrase referring to 10 seconds left in SB's duration or cooldown? The wording is ambiguous and I was noticing some odd timings with dance cooldowns being available while practicing AoE rotation on dummies with Puzzle Box, which made me wonder

[stable plume]

it's when theres <10s on the cooldown, that was u can shadow dance twice during blades

[lilac stag]

They are 2 conditionals.

Second charge of dance cooldown needs less than 10 seconds remaining.

[drifting igloo]

ty!

[plush roost]

Idk red trickster is kinda aura still

[lilac stag]

[torpid echo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dire ravine]

I gotta wait 8 hours to see I don’t have a mythic gaze waiting for me in vault. Sadge

[stable plume]

when i'm running the ptr sim, it still shows premed as a 0.6% increase. Is this not fully implemented yet?

[lilac stag]

The short answer:

I had similar results. There were apparently a couple of rotational updates that maybe didn’t get implemented correctly and another update could be coming.

[stable plume]

it also says veiltouched is now a 1% increase over a point in finality

[somber sun]

Would it be wise to craft a second mythic level dagger if Simbot shows a significant increase ?

[lilac stag]

You’re taken rotten over finally

[lilac stag]

Just craft a non-spark dagger or buy a PvP one. Sounds like you’re using a 1H weapon as an offhand.

[livid cape]

Then prep to lose 2 rolls and still not get it.

[stable plume]

ooh yeah that sims higher fo sho

[thin sinew]

It's ok i'll help you out.

you won't get mythic gaze in your vault zero chance.

Then you'll sink every roll into Chimmy and you'll get belt, then chest, then the vestige trinket, then back to belt as it'll be bugged

[shrewd lantern]

what vestige

[dire ravine]

Belt viable for sin, and sub now 😉

Glass is half full over here!

[shrewd lantern]

belt was always fine for sub

crit is decent

and some haste

we dont exactly have good belt options this tier

[shrewd lantern]

Oh thats the name

I got that for crests week 1

[hallow mortar]

i regret crafting belt and not bracers, i though those bracers will be easier to get but i never saw them meanwhile belt went to dissenchants

[thin sinew]

Not crafted belt? GRIEF! i'm telling your raid leader!

xD

[shrewd lantern]

i crafted bracers because i got a socket belt from a delve

[dire ravine]

Mine is crafted currently 🤫

[runic sinew]

Can someone confirm if nimble flurry hits 150% spread damage with cloud smoke?

[shrewd lantern]

also i lowkey feel bracer is still better since it has less stat

so its ideally better to have only 285 of

[hallow mortar]

i had dead crest tho

[lucid jackal]

nimble flurry cant crit so probably not

[small sleet]

nimble flurry doesnt spread damage from our generators

[lucid jackal]

also true

[shrewd lantern]

i was also down bad with a 246 pvp bracer

[hallow mortar]

like i looted first and only mythhic item on week 3 mythic

[shrewd lantern]

with no m+ drops for over a week

so i slammed it since bigger gain

[hallow mortar]

i have the crafted belt with socked so im kinda locked there

[shrewd lantern]

i didnt make a 4th though

kind of a waste

[hallow mortar]

4th craft?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[hallow mortar]

me neither since i bough both boes

[shrewd lantern]

i can slam a helm or gloves

helm is smaller since i have socket one

apparently

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/uzu-when-aut-comes-out-gif-22422696

[hallow mortar]

thats cursed

i got crit haste legs for 2m and random boots for 1m

it was kinda deal

[shrewd lantern]

hero socket helm to regular myth

full upgraded is only like 350 dps

[hallow mortar]

all gains are rather small

[shrewd lantern]

gloves is like 500

[hallow mortar]

everything sub 1% once you get weapon and trinket

[shrewd lantern]

why im holding for vault

[thin sinew]

best to look at % gains makes thing feel less bad

[somber sun]

is the guidon trinket good even at low ilevel ( 240-250 ish ) on a 270 ilevel toon ?

[shrewd lantern]

since raid was done for the week

[somber sun]

idk if it would be worth a 272 piece on vault

[thin sinew]

like me restating stuff is 800 but waiting till wednesday (EU) to do anything

[shrewd lantern]

i already have both mythic trinkets fully upgraded

and mh

so yeah only sidegrades

from here on

[hallow mortar]

it kinda sux that our main trinket is kinda ass with ilvl

gudion

thats another under scaling for us

[somber sun]

what is more ass is that you have to roll on it

or guarantee through vault on high ilevel, but that is another story

[shrewd lantern]

what is roll

[somber sun]

rolls wow 98!!!

[hallow mortar]

im still not sure if rolling raid or dungeon

[somber sun]

the other guy rolls 99

[shrewd lantern]

we have this thing called lootcouncil

[hallow mortar]

thats good tool, specially when your team dont count rogue for progg

[shrewd lantern]

[somber sun]

but only in guild runs

like yeah obv

at some point you're gonna get that trinket

[timid rose]

Just monk things

[dire ravine]

I’m super jealous of casters Veagor trinket. All that juicy mastery on 1:30s

[hallow mortar]

yeah its insane

and it will get even more insane next week§

meanwhile we dont 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

gaze is nice

when you get big stacks

[hallow mortar]

they have gaze too

we play half trinket basically 😄

[somber sun]

I was lowkey expecting a rogue comeback this expac 😔

[shrewd lantern]

well casters are just better

as always

[somber sun]

yeah feels good to swap games and find rogue is still clown class

[hallow mortar]

the buff is nice tho,

[dire ravine]

Not having premed is not 😂

[shrewd lantern]

we had our fun last season

with prism

[lavish night]

yo

is this enough or not

[spice matrix]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[hallow mortar]

not really

[swift zinc]

The rouge buff is insane or not ?

[lavish night]

ty

[hallow mortar]

its not insane but it buff our burst so numbers will be looking crazy

[lavish night]

anyone got a link about that buff ?

[hallow mortar]

pin

[shrewd lantern]

they’re buffing red?

[swift zinc]

Ngl i outdamage in mytic + 16keys A-Tier classes so

[shrewd lantern]

yeah most pugs are ass

playing sub in keys is the most unfun experience ever though

[swift zinc]

Yeah i know

[hallow mortar]

i dont mind it, its low effort good dmg for my weeklys

meanwhile im sweting as devouer

[swift zinc]

I think its big fun actually with the burst

[timid rose]

Yeah I find it more enjoyable than WW and On par with enhance for me

[shrewd lantern]

devourer feels more rewarding

only 2 gcds that do damage for sub are sectech and coup

[pseudo verge]

Tru after i started noticing coup and trying aligning some of superCP with it my damage skyrocket

[shrewd lantern]

also do you know how annoying it is with bad tanks that leave 1-2 straggler mobs out the pack

and you gotta wait to send st as a result

[small sleet]

black powder does good damage per cast when you pot at least

🙂

[shrewd lantern]

they mostly line up naturally

sometimes you get 2 coups in a dance

thats the big one

[pseudo verge]

And idk what happened with pots but today on raid my macro for shadowblades pot didnt use pot i did legit zero damage

[dire ravine]

I had this happen to me a few times at the beginning of the season.

If I had rank 2’s in bag, and rank 3’s, the macro would break once I ran out of one or the other.

Logging off and back in worked for me. Could always try the item ID too.

[pseudo verge]

Yeah i just slammed whole id of potions into my macro every single one xd and hope it will work till the end

Also has anybody tried the void pots? Want to try them tomorrow on raid

[small sleet]

Void pots just not worth it

Adds a lot of mental overhead for not enough gain

If you silence yourself in your cds it’s gonna be a tragedy

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stiff spear]

So are we limited in how many times we can upgrade items with the new currency? As in, if I upgrade my current Vorasius main hand, can I still upgrade the Belo'ren dagger as new main hand when I get it at some point?

[lucid jackal]

Sounds like it yeah

[dusky yacht]

What kind of crit % are we looking for after 700ish haste with guidon?

Next patch

[sharp ravine]

Most case, just use a crit flask

That's it

[dusky yacht]

I got this with just gold rank oils on, haste is 687 so should be fine with guidon, I guess I can ez switch to crit flasks for raid

[brisk onyx]

I simc maybe up to 900-1000crit is a good idea

[dense geode]

Cheat death or elusive Lura

[dusky yacht]

I should prolly use Elusive more often in raids cause it's prolly better but then again cheat death can really save ur ass sometimes, it's really difficult to say which is truly better imo

[dusky yacht]

Hmm

[dusky yacht]

Guess I could recraft my neck from haste/mast to haste/crit or summin and then with flask+oils I should reach 901

[short radish]

if youre playing heroic. then play cheat death

even on mythic you probably should play cheat death

healers heal or something

[dense geode]

fight do alotta dmg any logs i can look at for Mythic

Where they hiding

[short radish]

i kinda have done 0 mythic lura prep

but what would you need the extra elusiveness dr for

[dense geode]

everything

the fight just hurts

im seeing cheat death

i will take cheat

[short radish]

yah but elusiveness serves a purpose right

one extra DR with evasion

and then 20% DR on whatever feint doesnt work on

what is it that feint isnt working on

idk people also say "just play better and you don't need cheat"

but for prog, extra life kinda strong

[sonic raven]

anyone have a link to new build tomorrow for mplus? the pin one is broken

[dusky yacht]

Hows it broken

[sonic raven]

when copy and paste it

link is busted too

[short radish]

because it's not tomorrow yet

[twin surge]

i assume it will be broken on live since one talent isnt there yet

[sonic raven]

out of date

ok ill wait for wowhead update

[short radish]

[fair phoenix]

bro the build is updated u cannot just copy and use cause tomorrow we will receive the new skill to alocate

[lucid jackal]

The st one works apparently

[sonic raven]

yes it does

[graceful rock]

surely they fix premed bug tmrw

[fair phoenix]

would be good

like really good

someone know a way to make these target indicators smaller?

on plater

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen hare]

I don't know if it's possible in plater but it is fully configurable in playtnator. I know that doesn't exactly answer your question but if you can't find an answer just try a different addon 🙂

[wintry heart]

Should I exhaust all options I have available to me before using an upgrade token on my crafted dagger?

Or do we have limited upgrade items this season

[coral bear]

!simc

!sim

[indigo breach]

does fazed reduce affected units damage by 15%, or damage to you by 15%?

[lofty sinew]

what dungeon u spending ur Nebulous Voidcores on? might go for pit of saron...

[sullen hare]

I'd personally treat getting a myth track dagger as an eventuality, not a possibility

[molten citrus]

pretty sure its to you

[wintry heart]

Yes and I guess it doesn’t matter unless we have some sort of cap on the upgrade things

[short radish]

im waiting till a bit more info is dropped on this

if there's only 3 upgrades available for whatever reason

im not sending on a myth crafted weap

[wintry heart]

That’s what I’m trying to figure out

[short radish]

ye

its a sit and hodl angle imo

[wintry heart]

I’m gonna have myth track skyreach or pit dagger in my vault so this doesn’t matter

[short radish]

im still huffing the copium that vorasius will drop a mythic dagger

surely 5th week is the charm

[wintry heart]

I don’t raid with a guild so I am subjected to pugs in raid

[short radish]

[wintry heart]

I did get heroic gaze on my first ever kill though so got that going for me

[jagged sage]

Shouldn’t we aim for neck piece from crown or is that not an efficient use of cores?

[azure thicket]

her loot table is large

definitely worth but also wouldn't send it with 1 or 2 rolls

go in with 3-4 and try to clear it as fast as possible etc

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-judas-gif-2814863194416507611

[short radish]

sending on heroic pieces is also a bit whatever

i guess the neck is strong but it's still a bit of awaste

[wintry heart]

Yeah I’ll be sending mine all in m+

Am I going to kms if I get one of the 28 bad dungeon trinkets? Yes

[short radish]

send it in delves

[soft summit]

whats good about Vorasius dagger? Its got vers on it. Am i missing something

[sullen hare]

It's a myth track dagger

[short radish]

it is currently the only "farmable" myth track dagger

that SHOULD HAVE FUCKING DROPPED SOMETIME IN T HE LAST 5 WEEKS

[soft summit]

doesnt that change tomorrow when we can get a myth track crit/haste dagger from pit?

[short radish]

im using my rolls on guidon

[livid cape]

2nd kill 2 dropped…. Great PvP dagger

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[stoic anchor]

Yo assa lover, 2 guideons dropped last week, went to tanks cause everybody had it

Xd how's that for a bait? True story

[shrewd lantern]

you could already get that

from vault

vorasius is just accessible.

[lucid jackal]

Using ur bonus rolls on heroic is a waste

[lucid jackal]

Raid you only get 1 bonus roll

Dungeons gives u 2

[short radish]

again im not taking the bait

[shrewd lantern]

im sending mine on xenas

or crown myth

tbh

[lucid jackal]

Also the fact that a vault gives u another 2 bonus rolls is insane btw

[shrewd lantern]

i thought it was 1?

if you choose not to take a vault

it would make sense since you're giving up one myth vault item for the roll

idk i dont have mythic raid slots this coming reset so its possible i take it

[stoic anchor]

How so? 10s are banter with friends and drinking bear atm

[jagged sage]

I would argue that the hero version of that piece is still better then puzzle box mythic

[stoic anchor]

Go get it. R u eu or na?

[shrewd lantern]

i said raid vault

[stoic anchor]

Ah y sry

[lucid jackal]

The issue is that Ur rolling a lot of bad items

Like straight up, every hero piece of loot is entierly a waste right

So ur spending 2 bonus rolls on raid loot, hero track

[shrewd lantern]

yeah rolling heroic is troll

[lucid jackal]

rather than 2 SEPARATE rolls on mythic track gear from dugneons

There are obviously instances and exceptions but

[shrewd lantern]

i cant wait to roll on myth cosmos and get a sick ranger captain's mark

[lucid jackal]

Using bonus rolls on raid is really bad for heroic