subtlety

[ashen warren]

is there a way to get rid of this omg

[hazy breach]

Log yourself

Or have the person logging be in the same realm as you/not more than 100 yards away

[ashen warren]

oh yeah makes sense

gonna ask to change group for chimaerus

[raw wadi]

can i move in and out to reset 10 seconds ?

[hazy breach]

It lasts for 10 seconds after you leave it

You dont need to move in and out, just stay in it

But if you happen to move out, as long as you go back right before it ends you will not lose any uptime

[upbeat cradle]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[wintry heart]

My character needs to be in it not the mobs?

[hazy breach]

The cloud does nothing to mobs yes

[stoic anchor]

question: if i'm orc how do I treat blood fury ENRAAAAGE. do i just macro it into blades and treat it like a 3m cd or send it with shadowdance IN M+ , talking about m+ here. thx , much love brochachos

[hazy breach]

yes 3 min

[fossil forge]

wallahi 2nd 17 done nexus still on 12

[wintry heart]

Oh shit this is much better than I thought

[stoic anchor]

you 100% sure? ty for answear too

[chilly tree]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[calm chasm]

!logs

[quaint lodge]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[reef canopy]

Question.
Should I not be casting dance unless SecTec is ready?

[weak glade]

With the new cloud cover rework comin out next week does the rotation change at all or i assume it doesnt really

[hazy breach]

Not really besides making the opener cringe as we dont want premed

Check the pins for more info

[weak glade]

I figured our opener would be wierd but I’m happy we get our niche back

[cloud barn]

So we’re just backstabbing til full cp and then cd’s?

[steel zinc]

thats some

[leaden prairie]

@hazy breach do i press sec tech

beloren

its supercharged still

otherwise i would press it in another dance to finish egg phase

[steel zinc]

or just vanish I guess

[leaden prairie]

the blue bar is dance buff

btw

[alpine wraith]

how long has first dance left

as long as it is 1.3 you can send

[leaden prairie]

i see

[warm marlin]

was ur first tech delayed or something

[north garnet]

Likely only had 1 charge of dance at blades
nmv im dumb

[warm marlin]

no its lust beloren burn

but it should come up in time if you drop 0 gcds

[exotic steeple]

can we shadowstep on last boss on skyreach when we get picked by bird and get dropped

[north garnet]

yes

[exotic steeple]

i tried boss was on edge but it didnt work lol

maybe to an ally more to the edge?

[warm marlin]

if ur not playing guidon as well i would prob hold for new dance

idt you can fit 3rd sectec in without it

[frail bone]

God you'd have to have alot of haste

Also what is guidons I haven't seen that at all yet, not even dropped to another player in my raid.

[vestal gorge]

Is Sub oversimming or Assa undersimming? in dc

[hazy breach]

Should probably get some extra haste so that sectech can fit into puzzlebox

[exotic steeple]

i was so lucky getting it first week on champ track since then using it

[hallow mortar]

we just killed paladins, can i get some tips and tricks all mighty @warm marlin

in case i make it to boss 😄

[frail bone]

I also haven't seen emberfeather which also just flat out sucks. And now going to be chasing new gear for more Crit lol

[warm marlin]

100% most important thing for alleria is learning how to bait the obelisk properly

want to stand on far side of the boss towards where you want to aim it so you can walk through and keep uptime

[bold hatch]

I got a question, do we use Shadow Strike/Shuriken Storm on max combo points with 5 Shadow Tech in order to proc the apex and spam more builders with the bonkers crit when Cloud Cover makes it to Live 🤔

[hallow mortar]

i see

[hazy breach]

Theres no "chasing new gear for crit" though

[leaden prairie]

no but im on alt with random stats

was hc

i just noticed this happend

so was wondering

[hazy breach]

Its still get your haste, then fill the rest of your slots with crit/mastery

[warm marlin]

oh i didnt see u didnt have another dance charge

ye u gotta get more haste to fit it in

[leaden prairie]

ok so during lust you do get your 2 sec tech in

sure

cant without lust right

[marble raven]

Hey, quick question: what should we upgrade next week with the new voidcores? I was thinking weapons ofc but mythic chimaerus trinket might be good to upgrade too, did anyone sim this or smth yet?

[hazy breach]

Mainhand weapon always highest priority

[marble raven]

Do you upgrade your craft or Voracius's dagger then? If they get boosted to the same iLvl I'm guessing craft is better since it's 285 rn? (Vora is 289)

[hazy breach]

Your mainhand weapon

Which should be the highest ilvl dagger you have

[warm marlin]

i think with 800 haste you fit it in blades without lust

as second last gcd

[silver panther]

do want 800 haste for m+ or is this mainly for ST

[leaden prairie]

i dont play guidon

i dont think thats true

[hazy breach]

It is

[leaden prairie]

im bad then

[hazy breach]

Might need like 850ish for some leeway

[warm marlin]

is that with 2x coup mr eleem

[leaden prairie]

do you not insta send the 2nd dance then or what

or does it work insta sending

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[warm marlin]

ye u would hold for last 8s

[leaden prairie]

ah well ok

that changes thing

[white briar]

puzzle box better on belo'ren anyway no?

[leaden prairie]

yes

[graceful rock]

this good for puzzle box? or more

ignore my crit its from plume

[hazy breach]

Are you fitting both of your sectechs into dance

[graceful rock]

let me hit a dummy

barely

[hazy breach]

[graceful rock]

ill be good with lust

[cursive bear]

should we still be at least a 700 haste with the incoming patch ?

[graceful rock]

s/o this delve ring, I just swap it with my MT ring for puzzle box

[molten citrus]

I think pins have some information on this

[cursive bear]

ya but pins is not haste after the next patch, just to be sure 😄

[molten citrus]

Haste doesn’t change afaik

[cursive bear]

okok i see, thanks

[leaden prairie]

@warm marlin i have 822 haste and i cant make it fit im confused

[hazy lichen]

does aoe leeway still exist in retail

[warm marlin]

noob?

[molten citrus]

[leaden prairie]

i mean bro

show me vid

i call cap

[warm marlin]

i go record

[leaden prairie]

@warm marlin can you start a sim with full cp cuh

mine is still doing strike first gcd

[warm marlin]

initial_combo_points=7

[leaden prairie]

thats huge

[hallow mortar]

gamers, is it possible to remove those bubbles and keep just chat?

i dont mind seeing text tbut that bubble with black background is covering way too much

[leaden prairie]

i actually lose dps starting with full cps btw

i guess its important to have fw up

before sec tech

[warm marlin]

ye u do

but what are u gonna do

[leaden prairie]

strike at full cp

[warm marlin]

vanish strike?

[leaden prairie]

well if it sims better why wouldnt i

[tranquil sorrel]

Are we really doing a backstab till 7 cp next patch on opener?...

[warm marlin]

i think when i looked if you remove precombat stealth it was better to open with full cp

like you want to vanish strike in blades

[leaden prairie]

oh sure its a bit cheating

i guess

[warm marlin]

you lose finisher damage from death perception for first sectec clone

unlucky

[leaden prairie]

send me a clip

of 2 sec tech

with 800 haste noob

[naive zodiac]

its been what 3 weeks

and this spec is already trash on final boss

enjoy assa kings

[leaden prairie]

last boss is outlaw boss buddy

it was during race and it still is

[naive zodiac]

1.5s come up when boss is 2% in p3

so you just lose a use

[leaden prairie]

outlaw next week cuh trust

[warm marlin]

its lowkey hard with silvermoon lag

[leaden prairie]

ok so you are noob

i get it

cant even fit 2 sec tech

washed up

[vestal relic]

zac i need tutorial

[warm marlin]

close enough?

[vestal relic]

on when to use ks

[leaden prairie]

ok idk im noob

mine is legit

i always have to hold a gcd

to get it

idk

but idk how to press dance

[warm marlin]

its maybe very hard with double coup

[leaden prairie]

i guess its my 2nd dance that is pressed too early

or smth

[mortal galleon]

for the opener?

[leaden prairie]

beloren

whatever bird boss thing

[violet palm]

w/ guidon?

[leaden prairie]

guidon is cuck trinket

[chrome palm]

👺 YOURE ALL OUT OF MERCY

[violet palm]

Oh with lust its 2 techs anyway

[leaden prairie]

@warm marlin nvm i got it

i just need to be better at pressing dance when gcd is ready

cringe af

sounds like i need a new macro

[warm marlin]

ye

[hallow mortar]

hopefully not playing assa there next time

[leaden prairie]

for dance evis

[warm marlin]

ye and dance storm

[leaden prairie]

ye but only for the noob talent tree no

[vestal relic]

ho for the second dance?

[leaden prairie]

would i ever dance storm as trickster

[violet palm]

Yes

[vestal relic]

aoe M+?

even then prob not

[warm marlin]

yeah for second dance

[violet palm]

No, you dance storm to fit 2nd dance in sblades

[hallow mortar]

what if you just dance finish

[warm marlin]

my sim cant hit it consistently

on this scuffed 814 haste setup

[vestal relic]

damn

[leaden prairie]

really

[warm marlin]

if there are 8s of blades left and u have no cp its better to start with dance/storm than to build again

especially since ur prob not gonna have sht to backstab to full in one gcd

[leaden prairie]

hm

ok

thats one of the things i really dislike with sub

idk

having to press dance on the gcd

is so cringe

[hallow mortar]

you just have this pretry bar

[leaden prairie]

its ok

i onyl have 4 dance macro

[hallow mortar]

nice

[chrome palm]

nusub players dont have 5

smh my head

[hallow mortar]

see now you are dance enjoyer

[leaden prairie]

one day they fix this spec so you dont need 15 macros all doing the same thing to play it optimally

removing sod wasnt enough

next step is putting dance on the gcd

[hallow mortar]

doubt

[chrome palm]

i was thinking that

by combining it with something else

[vestal relic]

shifting the issue

[chrome palm]

like secret

a bleak world

[leaden prairie]

ye so its even more 1 button spec

i think it could fill your cps tho idk

like on the gcd but it fills cps

would feel fine

[chrome palm]

yeah maybe if they kill premed

[leaden prairie]

does a big hit also

ye for example

smt like that

[chrome palm]

low key

should just be goremaws

big hit goremaws

combo with dance

that solves the dumb gameplay

[warm marlin]

inshallah goremaw believers will be smited

[chrome palm]

of being ooe when starting dance

[leaden prairie]

@warm marlin when do you press box tho

cause if you press it before gate

yuo lose like 1 sec of it no

or maybe more

if not accurate

[lyric ibex]

talking about goremaws, hows that talent still a thing with zero % pickrate?

[chrome palm]

goremaws truthers will prevail in the end

[jade oasis]

first time these words have ever been said

[warm marlin]

yes u do but with lust u fit second sectec in box anyway

is giga haste

[leaden prairie]

and that 1s is important if its supposed to fit sec tech

hm

[warm marlin]

the second egg idk

[leaden prairie]

ok what about the second tho

[warm marlin]

probably do it after gate

[leaden prairie]

cause like

[warm marlin]

ur not hitting triple tec anyway

its a bit doomed egg regardless

if ur not playing 2x on use it could be box after gate as well

[leaden prairie]

can you not take the gate btw

like step boss

[chrome palm]

surely you can feint and step if youre a box user

[leaden prairie]

or vanish strike cause step is melee range

[warm marlin]

pretty sure i took it mega mega early one pull and lived the dive fine

[violet palm]

Voidelf racial. Time to reroll

[leaden prairie]

stand under it

like a chad

or

[warm marlin]

that one might be scary

[leaden prairie]

proc cheat ?

for dps

proc cheat for one more egg gcd

[vestal relic]

proc cheat is the most dps for sure

[leaden prairie]

kinda banger no

[hallow mortar]

healing parses

not bad

[tribal blade]

@leaden prairie you thinking about upping dagger now?

[leaden prairie]

what

oh

for the voidshit

no

imma play outlaw on lura

[tribal blade]

haha tight

be the outlaw you wish to see in the world

[leaden prairie]

i mean i think outlaw is better anyway

realistically

[short radish]

anyone know what the threshold to live soak on m beloran with just feint?

[warm marlin]

with what exile said i might be on law too

maybe its the move

[chrome palm]

what did he say about law

[leaden prairie]

he said he regret not playing law on lura progress

that it was better back then already

[warm marlin]

he said u miss a set of cds in p3

[alpine wraith]

that cds come when boss is about to die in p3

[warm marlin]

because 90s bad

[leaden prairie]

and he made a mistake that almost costed them the world first

[leaden prairie]

its ok tho they still got it

but boss would have died the day before with outlaw

thats what he said

[warm marlin]

if u can hold dance its very safe

big dance for dr

[alpine wraith]

you can aso vanish for dr

[chrome palm]

if i swapped specs to outlaw tonight i think i would be gunned down

[short radish]

kk so feint + fade to nothing

tyty

[leaden prairie]

do you need fade to nothing ?

dont you survive natty

[chrome palm]

sub does get like 3 defensive talents tho

[short radish]

it was proccing cheat when i was testing last night

with just feint

[alpine wraith]

you can be not at 100%

[chrome palm]

so that for sure helps it on lura

[alpine wraith]

from random shit

[warm marlin]

i found it @leaden prairie

[leaden prairie]

skill issue imo

[warm marlin]

it dont even hurt that much

[short radish]

💯 is

[leaden prairie]

you were right under or ?

cause gate travel time

maybe you were registered further

than you were

[alpine wraith]

you dont die if you feint then step to it no?

[warm marlin]

the gate is right under him

[warm marlin]

im in his red circle

[alpine wraith]

yea then it should be fine

[warm marlin]

ok i go find log to see it

[leaden prairie]

its 466k damage after feint

[naive zodiac]

think it depends on ur guilds killtime but yea we phased to p4 right before the right sides memory game concluded

[leaden prairie]

without accounting for all the other dr you have

so its kinda chill honestly

[alpine wraith]

yea seems like

[naive zodiac]

so i lost like half my blades and then in p4 the boss died halfway through aswell

[alpine wraith]

damn that sucks

[hallow mortar]

so you gotta be faster

thats the tech

[alpine wraith]

just get a worse guild

[chrome palm]

those constellations on your kill looked pretty nasty for the law

[warm marlin]

ye

[naive zodiac]

sin/law angle atleast on sin you can cd the lust in execute now

[alpine wraith]

they changed killing spree at least

[naive zodiac]

ye they were very lucky on our kill

[warm marlin]

it's also phys so u have armor dr

and the 5% in rogue tree

just eat it

[lucid jackal]

13% outlaw buff on reset

[alpine wraith]

and can just natty proc

the dr

[lucid jackal]

Its an outlaw tier (for us plebs)

[alpine wraith]

20% chance+

just hit

[leaden prairie]

if you dont play outlaw on lura you are trolling

thats the truth

play teh correct spec for prog

dont troll your guild

[naive zodiac]

ye id rather be outlaw than assa on that boss atleast you can cleave the ads that need to die

[warm marlin]

ok ok i will upgrade my outlaw weapon

yes sir

here it comes

[hallow mortar]

what about cosmos? outlaw too?

[vestal relic]

damn

[lucid jackal]

Cosmos is bench spec

[vestal relic]

how long has it been

[leaden prairie]

i will personally message your guys raid leader if you arent playing outlaw on lura

will tell them you are trolling

[warm marlin]

i have screenshot from exile now

[vestal relic]

since law was the meta spec on a last boss?

[warm marlin]

legally i am required to play law

[valid ocean]

oh but what if my guild is actually on cosmos... 🤔

[naive zodiac]

(im not playing outlaw i have no wep)

[leaden prairie]

sure

[warm marlin]

i have one but its 276

[leaden prairie]

you are just scared lil bro

[hallow mortar]

nobody sane have weapon

[warm marlin]

is gonna be unfortunate to send myth into but it is what it is

[naive zodiac]

u right i have no idea how to play trickster law

havent played it in 18 months probly

[leaden prairie]

you should have a weapon honestly because everyone craft weapons

and no one needs the fist

[chrome palm]

ds sub is kinda nasty st tho

[leaden prairie]

unless you have an enahncement in 2026

[hallow mortar]

yeah i saw that wep drop many times

[chrome palm]

ive been playing it on lura

[hallow mortar]

exactly 0

[leaden prairie]

ok and who tf got it lol

oh

ok

then

[north garnet]

Zac zac

How do i use prep

[naive zodiac]

think sub is viable for lura for like 2-3 more weeks then everyone will do more damage and you lose uses and its gg

[north garnet]

in keys

[leaden prairie]

press all cds then you can prep

[naive zodiac]

then u just hit boss on other specs

[leaden prairie]

its easy

[north garnet]

thanks

[hazy breach]

But in like 2 more months everybody will do even more damage and it will circle back to a good kill timer

[naive zodiac]

that may be true

[hallow mortar]

true

[tranquil sorrel]

Can't import AoE talents, says it's expired @hazy breach

[hallow mortar]

that will be when i get there

[leaden prairie]

by that point outlaw will be doing 20% more damage than sub lil buddy

[hallow mortar]

fully circles back to sub

[leaden prairie]

we are getting buffed every week

you aint ready

[hazy breach]

Yeah because you arent on the ptr

[tranquil sorrel]

It worked for the ST one

[vestal relic]

what drugs are you on ?

give me some

[leaden prairie]

i mean its true haha

[hazy breach]

Yeah and idk why

[hallow mortar]

cant wait for new rogue raid buff, max said we are getting one

[hazy breach]

[tranquil sorrel]

Aight haha

[violet palm]

How many sec tech if lust+pi+guidon+recklessness?

[hallow mortar]

ALL

[leaden prairie]

@warm marlin i got it good now, im a gamer

[maiden bronze]

With sub trickster be better than assa with reset? For M+

[leaden prairie]

i just need to build muscle memory for the 2 new macros

[tranquil sorrel]

Do we still dance at full CP or not since we have the rotten now?

[left ledge]

NO

[hallow mortar]

sub will be poggers next week in my 8 10s weekly

[lucid jackal]

Outlaw is legit getting a 13% buff on reset lol

[leaden prairie]

he doesnt know

[hazy breach]

Still only 2 in blades

[vestal relic]

i know

[leaden prairie]

im about to gap all these noob sub players

just watch

[hallow mortar]

watching

[vestal relic]

i asked when should we use ks

[leaden prairie]

no clue

[vestal relic]

refused to play with that button until now

[leaden prairie]

we dont really know because we havent bothered actually fixing the apl for prep ks

[lucid jackal]

Duno yet well know later

[leaden prairie]

it wasnt a thing till now

[lucid jackal]

Just press it idk

cant be that incorrect

[vestal relic]

i can do that

[leaden prairie]

and i dont feel like testing apl stuffs beofre playing it is relevant

i will jsut play 10 h of keys

on reset

[vestal relic]

next mission is to convince my raidleader that outlaw on lura is the play

[lucid jackal]

I need the saladar weapon to drop plz

[leaden prairie]

skill issue

dropped week 1

[lucid jackal]

I wanna use my voidjuicer on a weapon but I'm not about to use it on the mastery one

[warm marlin]

noob

[leaden prairie]

bro that voidjuicer thing

idk

it feels kinda terrible to me

[lucid jackal]

depends ont he drop rate

[leaden prairie]

i guess

[lapis ridge]

When I review my log in the wow analyzer it says I'm failing shadow dances, even when I have 8 casts, because "Entered Shadow Dance with suboptimal combo points. Had 0 combo points." But I thought this was ideal since you immediatly case shruiken storm as deathstalker and get full combo points. Is this not correct and should I be entering shadow dance with full combo points and immediately be Secret teching instead of Shruiken storm?

[leaden prairie]

i see it as a 1 per week thing

so

but maybe im completly wrong

and you just loot them infinitly

then its fine

[vestal relic]

if thats the case it sucks

hope its infinite so i can play different spec

[leaden prairie]

i mean imagine you play 2 rogue spec, if you upgrade outlaw weapon you cant play sub anymore

like

idk

[vestal relic]

yueah

[leaden prairie]

same story for trinkets and shit

[vestal relic]

about to be real bad

or really happy

[leaden prairie]

• idk imagine you have almost bis trinket but not bis

but it make sense to upgrade it rn

and then week after you get ultra bis trinket

[lucid jackal]

It might be catalyst, a bit scarce initially and then u just have infinite

[leaden prairie]

gege

[vestal relic]

i have the masteryy weapon for outlaw

sucks to be me

[leaden prairie]

noob

i got the good one

[leaden prairie]

ye i guess

i hope its like that

[vestal relic]

really hope its like that

[lucid jackal]

My guess is that it either will be, or it wont be and people will complain and then it will

[leaden prairie]

i mean im lucky that this tier outlaw is good on lura because if i had to upgrade a dagger

and then be completly fucked in keys

i would be very mad

[vestal relic]

zac

be real

your like hulk

always mad

[leaden prairie]

that is true

[vestal relic]

thats your secret no ?

[leaden prairie]

im excited for next week

[vestal relic]

same

[leaden prairie]

our key comp is about to be so powerful

we already have r1 keys

and we are getting buffed next week

[vestal relic]

i have some friend contact me

[leaden prairie]

legit crazy scenario

[vestal relic]

to run phys comp for next week

[leaden prairie]

ayo

[vestal relic]

didnt push yet this season

[tranquil sorrel]

I'm assuming I replace my haste mastery gems for Haste crit until I have enough haste then crit mastery?

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[livid frigate]

How much of a buff are we getting ?

[leaden prairie]

you aint getting none sin guy

[reef canopy]

So Wowanalyzer is saying I'm not getting enough casts into my Dance windows.....am I missing something? I'm doing a normal rotation during with prioritizing SecTec on cd

[still quartz]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• The first dance tracker

[twin quartz]

It probably means you’re hitting dance outside the global and not following up instantly with a spell

[reef canopy]

ahhh

interesting

[twin quartz]

I’m not sure exactly how good wowanalyzer is these days, but it probably means you’re missing a global somewhere

[shrewd lantern]

probably inaccurate

[twin quartz]

Yeah, that’d be my thought too

[marble raven]

Wowanalyzer is very theorical guys

[shrewd lantern]

logs arent that tough to read

or well its something you should learn to do

[marble raven]

I've had similar scenarios where it says I missed a move but it's not humanly possible (or it doesn't account for lag, human input etc...)

• sometimes it's better to keep some things depending on what phase you are on, what's coming next etc etc etc

If you get big red warnings it still means you are doing something wrong tho

When you do things correctly you should either get a perfect (blue) or green (correct/acceptable)

[last delta]

Which buff are you guys picking in algethar academy? mastery?

[lapis ridge]

iirc icyveins was saying deathstalker simmed a couple percent higher, and when I single target sim I do like 5k dps less a second with trickster instead of deathstalker, so why are all the top parses on wowlogs using trickster? Is it just better?

[twin quartz]

Deathstalker likes a lot more haste

Probably will sim lower until you get that haste threshold

[marble raven]

as Chonky said I think it's tied to the build + Trickster has just more adaptability that makes it so you actually dps higher (not sure but that's my opinion)

[shrewd lantern]

vorasius is the only pure st

of the early bosses

[lapis ridge]

yeah Im not sure, even with 700 ish haste deathstalking is simming higher for me but it seems like not of the top logs are using it at all

[marble raven]

I've had the same, deathstalker simms higher but I still dps more with Trickster somehow, hence the conclusion above

[twin quartz]

It’s just not worth the mental energy to optimize play on deathstalker for one quick early boss

[molten citrus]

What’s the premed apex bug?

[lapis ridge]

interesting, I think thats been a huge problem for me, I've been using deathstalker for raid this who time and struggling on parses a lot

[tepid trellis]

premed up = blocks apex

[molten citrus]

But you can technically proc apex by using premed right

[swift zinc]

Yo did sub rouge get buffed on wednesday bc some people talking about it someone know ?

[twin quartz]

Pinned comment on top

[molten citrus]

This coming Wednesday

[swift zinc]

Is it a good buff ?

[tepid trellis]

as long as the buff is not up you can use the apex

[molten citrus]

Decent yea

[swift zinc]

Crazy were can i read this ?

[molten citrus]

Pins

[swift zinc]

What pins sry for asking

[molten citrus]

The pins of this channel

Find the icon that looks like a pin

[thorny kestrel]

so casual thinks outlaw gonna be meta because it gets more cloud usage (more AR than SB with sub). Please tell me he's wrong =p

[twin quartz]

Outlaw stonks are way up

Who knows lol

[swift zinc]

Ah thank you

[lucid jackal]

even when outlaw is good ppl dont play it so

Ur probs fine

[thorny kestrel]

dammmmit. have to make my arrrrr macro again...

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you dont have to

no one's "required" to play any spec

not being paid to play this game

[thorny kestrel]

i'm not but some are

[tepid trellis]

gonna be fun af to snipe the first adds in p1 lura away from my mm hunter guildies

when sub has stronger burst again

[shrewd lantern]

no anyone truly serious

[tepid trellis]

[shrewd lantern]

is probably not playing rogue

in tourney keys

i imagine

[twin quartz]

I like outlaw, but I think it’s criminal they don’t really compete with other classes at 3 target while being hard capped at 8

[shrewd lantern]

if they didnt slap them with a bladeflurry nerf

on top of their last buff

lmao

[tepid trellis]

just be like sub and be soft capped at 8

and do the same dmg on 8 targets

as you do 20

very noice

[twin quartz]

Noice indeed

[tepid trellis]

meanwhile the actual uncapped classes

just obliterate you

[twin quartz]

How many more times this patch is starfall gonna get buffed I wonder

[tepid trellis]

atleast 1 more

[shrewd lantern]

rogue in general i feel has the most otps

mage and lock players seemingly switch between specs

way more

[twin quartz]

I jump between sub and sin when it makes sense and miss playing outlaw

[shrewd lantern]

sin and sub are honestly close enough to one another

theres not really been a season its been troll to play either

[twin quartz]

Yeah

[shrewd lantern]

only real difference is 90 or 120 sec cd spec

[twin quartz]

That’s the biggest consideration for me

Or for like paladins where sin is just better on 3t

[tepid trellis]

dmg profile yep

its why sub is "better" right now

deals better with burt

burst*

[odd sandal]

Which specs are still uncapped on AoE?

[shrewd lantern]

all tanks

pretty sure

[tepid trellis]

a few specs have some 20 target capped spells

[twin quartz]

There’s something to be said about the sin guy who just rails the boss the entire time in raid and passive cleaves

Can be useful

[shrewd lantern]

I mean its usually fine

[tepid trellis]

feral has that AoE frenzy thing

that is uncapped

[shrewd lantern]

sin probably does better in worse guilds where less than half the raid lives to the kill

and you stay in execute longer

[tepid trellis]

so does sub

worse guildies = more pad

for you

[shrewd lantern]

what if you got guildies bad at mechanic

but good at pad

[tepid trellis]

o7

[thin sinew]

standard mythic raid guild xD

[shrewd lantern]

standard warrior mains

[twin quartz]

God in early prog on stix some of my guildies didn’t know the adds took more damage and I slurped it all up

Gigaburst

[shrewd lantern]

stix definitely was nice on the pulls they correctly picked up adds into the boss

during end of spatter

if people dropped adds off when you sent the shiv'ed env on DN

[twin quartz]

Yeah, landing that aoe shiv with spatter

Glorious

[lucid jackal]

Sin isn't like

Actually some ST merchant, UDK type spec

Sin ST on WCL is mega fake

[twin quartz]

It’s kinda just all they do

Yeah

[tranquil sorrel]

Ooooof not playing premed feels like absolute ass

[dire ravine]

is the premeditation interaction intended, or ?

[left ledge]

i know this is a very odd question

but does anyone familiar with simc know if sinful revelation is simming properly right now

[tribal blade]

the SL enchant?

[left ledge]

yes

[tribal blade]

don't tell me there's wonky scaling again

[left ledge]

well it was strong af in DF season 1

and since we went through another squish

im wondering

[tribal blade]

lemme guess, it's still giving flat %

[left ledge]

yeah its still 6%

6% damage

[tribal blade]

interesting

[left ledge]

but im not sure if its simming properly or not

[tribal blade]

one of the galaxy brains in here might know

[left ledge]

and id need to find the best dagger to slap it on

i could also just hit a dummy for 10 min with and without it

[tribal blade]

true!

[shrewd lantern]

dont think it works on more recent weps

[brisk onyx]

are you sure? last time I sound it’s only 1% actually

[shrewd lantern]

there was fuckery with that in prepatch

i wanted to try it with nick of time

since timestrike is % based

[ashen warren]

do we benefit from mage buff for our shadow damage ?

[twin quartz]

nah we dont use int

[short radish]

we dum dum

[fair stump]

When do we use guidon? few secs before blades?

Just like puzzle?

[lilac stag]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Trickster Shadow Blades Optimization:
During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back. This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[fair stump]

That doesn't tell me when should I use guidon

[lilac stag]

use trinket, count to 1, start blades/dance/sectech

[fair stump]

kk, thanks

also, I have 700 haste without guidon, do I have to lower it?

[mortal galleon]

do i win?

[viscid barn]

Also curse your self when muscle memory hits ShBlades/ShD and you didnt wait 1s.

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) percent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[mortal galleon]

wtf is this?

[lilac stag]

how to play 2 button spec

[ivory orchid]

Is there a way to figure out theoretical dps in say a fight last 2.5 mins vs 4 within a log?

[tranquil sorrel]

How clunky is this new build gonna feel in high keys I wonder

[lucid jackal]

Other than having to play around rune of power, identically?

[tranquil sorrel]

holy shit you're the rogue from gn

saw you on shindig stream

[spice matrix]

[lilac stag]

dont you mean you saw Shindig on Guy's stream?

[tranquil sorrel]

i thought I was being funny mb

[dry surge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFlsDMoXQAA-Uwb.webp

[lucid jackal]

LOLOOL

[hazy lichen]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[teal coral]

Foreverguy, famous shindig guildie

[lucid jackal]

[tribal blade]

can i have your autograph

[short radish]

damn guys gonna blow up after this

huge w

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSUB3csZD9o

[lilac stag]

he should start a twitter account

[tribal blade]

aug utility irreplacable in keys again

[short radish]

i

fucking

hate

aug

also chinese tech, but anymore on that topic will get me banned

[tribal blade]

hahaaa

now everyone will be doing it

but yeah you literally can't do half this stuff without an aug

[short radish]

the AA snapping as well

need an aug

[tribal blade]

rogue can do snapping too right?

i did it back in DF

[short radish]

can we?

[lilac stag]

imagine rolling a paladin alt instead of an aug

[tribal blade]

yeah you jump over to the left platform when everyone else goes birds

tricks up>tag mobs

vanish>use wind thingy

[short radish]

nah this tech is getting birds while fighting wind guy

[tribal blade]

oh that one yeah

only aug

maybe dh too possibly

[short radish]

yeah there's acutally something wrong with me mentally that i've picked the 2 classes that bring 0 offensive raid buff (woooo beating dead horses)

[short radish]

dont think DH can get back

[tribal blade]

you prob right yeah

but yeah aug utility is so cracked

esp the fact that nobody else can bring that level of stuff

[lilac stag]

try DK next

no raid buff either

[short radish]

[toxic igloo]

Is Forced Induction that important or can I move a point from it?

[lucid jackal]

For what reason

[toxic igloo]

Energy

[lilac stag]

god no

we're overcapping energy in dance

[lucid jackal]

U have unlimited energy in Cooldowns which is the only time the spec does damage

[lilac stag]

outside of dance doesnt matter

[lucid jackal]

So taking out of that talent, for vigor would be a bad idea

[toxic igloo]

Why doesn't guide take Subterfuge?

[tribal blade]

sub has never been able to spam buttons more with 100 energy than right now

[toxic igloo]

Ok, yy

[lilac stag]

are you trying to pve or pvp?

[toxic igloo]

Pve

[tribal blade]

subterfuge is kinda useless

[lilac stag]

subterfuge is worthless

[short radish]

i acutally tried out DK once but i'm too monkey brain and i kept pressing froststrike or w/e the one that uses runic power is during my breath window

so i'd press breath -> froststrike and have 0 runic power and 0 breath

[toxic igloo]

But when your start a pack from stealth doesn't it give goy shadowstrike?

[lucid jackal]

yes but your other talents are more damage

[tribal blade]

actually imagine the tech of 1 point in subterfuge w/o premed, you can strike a few times to get full CP on pull

[toxic igloo]

Hrm, ok

[tribal blade]

but the other points are much better

[lucid jackal]

You also don't gain all the "From stealth" benefit passives

[lilac stag]

our talents are all pretty much set. come tuesday I think you''ll see people debating premed or not to premed

[mystic juniper]

I have a question with the new system. Since it is an Either/Or with the upgrade-reroll. Should I upgrade my Myth dagger or use my dungeon rerolls to try and get more Myth gear for stats. Im not sure what would bring more damage overall.

[lilac stag]

sim angle, but MH WDPS is usually king

[brisk onyx]

what ilv can crafted weapon upgrade next week?

295?

[lilac stag]

+10

[brisk onyx]

nice

[stable plume]

Does anyone know the actual % for between taking premed and not?

[lilac stag]

sim it

I couldnt replicate what fuu/eleem got using my gear

[stable plume]

How do you do the ptr sim

[lilac stag]

ptr=1 in experct mode

[brisk onyx]

idk I pick premed better than drop

in mimiron simc

[short radish]

i dunno if i want to hodl this upgrade

and only use on a real myth track weap

[frank wolf]

bunch of knowers in this discord - you guys know if you can use the trovehounters bounty (guaranteed hero delve piece) more than once a week per char?

[lilac stag]

dropping premed was like +6 strikes and -9 evicerates over the 5 min sim

[short radish]

cannot

[frank wolf]

youre kidding me

[short radish]

amnot

[lilac stag]

sim doesn't model bug, but eleem said bug isnt that much of a swing

so idk, play what you want I think until we see how it actually performs

get rank 9 delver story and you can get all the heroic gear you want

[brisk onyx]

Me too but my m2 loot sucks

[short radish]

weap doesnt exist on m vorasius

im probably gonna get the dagger in 2 weeks from birb

if/when we kill it

[short radish]

shut the fuck up

[still depot]

thought the chinese team used their resto druid to do the snap so im sure druid can too, but needs an aug help to wstone back

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

i could have given you the full screen shot

[short radish]

either way the mandatory part is aug

dw

im gonna get guidon

in 4 more weeks

guaranteed

just in time for lura prog to be over

[lilac stag]

did you kill normal?

[short radish]

yes

it didn't drop

[lilac stag]

damn, was going to go with you and try to help you

[short radish]

❤️

this trinket just does not exist

there's still 2 UHDKs in our raid that also dont have it i think

[lilac stag]

i'll go after reset if you want

can get prophet maybe

[short radish]

nah all good homie. we still reclear on alt night

[lilac stag]

ah ok

[short radish]

and i just bring my rogue to that

ty though

[twin quartz]

is our fartcloud as big on ptr as it is on live?

seems pretty generous

[stiff stirrup]

I’m going to die to ground mechanics under my own cloud because I won’t be able to see them for sure

[brisk onyx]

wdym

[lucid jackal]

It is that big on ptr yes

[tranquil sorrel]

100%

[short radish]

i was about to do an um ackshully its not on live yet

but it is

tbh kinda impressive size

[twin quartz]

yeah its the first time ive ever seen it lmao

[tall girder]

Wooo fim

[short radish]

wooooo jontic

[tall girder]

Do u have 18 seat or AA

[short radish]

brother my highest is 16

i havent p*shed in the last 2 weeks

[tall girder]

Damn

I’ll get u in for the p*sh

[short radish]

i contemplating signing up to some of your keys

but im also kinda lazy

[tall girder]

I get u all 18s when I fin resil 18s

[short radish]

❤️

also kinda waiting for rogue buff

[low marten]

How long does the buff from cloud last btw ?

[short radish]

still undecided if im gonna play rogue or paladin

[tall girder]

Paladin goes hard

Omega funnel

[short radish]

yeah but as much as i say i hate it. i like my rogue

[tall girder]

We bricked so many 20s yesterday

[short radish]

i did see a speed run 20 down to 19

down to 18

[tall girder]

Healers man

Can’t dodge a toad in Mc

[short radish]

lmao

[lilac stag]

it's fine

[twin quartz]

raiding during cooldowns be like

[short radish]

yeah its no worse than DK pressing buttons

or ret paladin pressing spin

[tall girder]

It’s so over for me fim

Bobbybigspins started pushing on dh

[hazy lichen]

wtf

[short radish]

how unethical would I be

if i started saying this smoke bomb is a defensive

and people should stay in it

(incl tanks so they dont drag mobs out)

[twin quartz]

im in favor of this collective gaslight

ill start doing this too

[half comet]

!review

!log

[warm marlin]

fimbul guy

how troll is it to not play aug

none of us want to be the cuck

[short radish]

in p*sh groups?

[warm marlin]

ye

[short radish]

i mean objectively rogue brings the least right

[warm marlin]

oh we not playing that dog class

[short radish]

i don't think even guy will disagree with me on that

[warm marlin]

but something like dev dk ele

[short radish]

oh

feels like the DK is the most mandatory in the group right

dk > dev > ele

so whoever is the ele is big L

[warm marlin]

ye just is it possible to play this season without aug

[lucid jackal]

Rogue is literally getting a thanos buff are ur meta cuck rerolling?

[warm marlin]

i assume its not like df2 where its just defensive op

[warm marlin]

i enjoy other classes and rogue still doesnt bring anything you want to keys

[twin quartz]

this is the kind of rogue energy i need in my life

[lucid jackal]

Blessing of the bronze so OP

KappaPenis

[warm marlin]

having a lot of fun on devour and fdk

[tribal blade]

i'm a rogue cuck

i'm slobbering all over the rogue shaft

also very cool the fart cloud is that big

[alpine wraith]

you also get big dr

[tribal blade]

yeah that's cool too

i kinda wish sub's cloud cover scaled more than outlaw's

since the uptime disparity is so high

[mental saffron]

All our damage is packed into blades so, its fine

[tribal blade]

it is yeah

[fair stump]

What happened to our stat prio, why are we running crit now?

[tribal blade]

check pins

150% generator crit dmg in blades

is pretty gigantic

[mental saffron]

Think we still blast mastery for M+

[tribal blade]

i think it quite literally becomes use crit flask in raid

mast in keys

so long as you have enough crit on your gear

[fair stump]

oh, okay, thanks

are we still running the previous mastery bis gear or can I sell it?

[mental saffron]

You should sell all mastery gear

Vendor loves it

[tribal blade]

i would just hold on to all your gear

just in case

there's no downside to sitting on gear in your bank

[mental saffron]

You could have 500 extra gold

[tribal blade]

who knows, maybe the crit dmg is unintended and they nerf it

[half comet]

who wants to help look at my logs

[tribal blade]

it's unclear if it's intended

[short radish]

but what if i need spaces to store my 86th stack of plant protein

sorry that was to be @tribal blade

[lucid jackal]

No way they remove an interaction like that in a patch note

It might in a 12.1 type patfch

[tribal blade]

@short radish i'll gie you some plant protein

[lucid jackal]

No way it'd just be a hotfix fix like that

[mental saffron]

@lucid jackal Rogue get special asap treatment

If its a nerf factor

[molten citrus]

Really I was fully expecting it ngl

[mental saffron]

Has anyone checked if this Fazed interaction is a thing with the DR and crit?

Or are people just assuming

[molten citrus]

The crit is known

For sure

[mental saffron]

I guess when its first coded for the crit, its likely it will affect the DR as well

[molten citrus]

I don’t personally know about the DR but it’s tripling every other Fazed interaction so I don’t see why it wouldn’t

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[tribal blade]

seems like a very cool interaction

W design

[mental saffron]

Seems like an oversight tbf, but we hope for the best

[tribal blade]

who knows

[warm marlin]

the people are telling me its gonna be nuts in pvp

so it might get more attention

[mental saffron]

^true

[fair stump]

hm, hoodwink is increased as well?

[tribal blade]

yes

[lucid jackal]

U guys legit live on different planets than me idk

[fair stump]

That would be a +33% dmg taken instead of 24%, right?

[lucid jackal]

They wont hotfix nerf something like this without compensation AT minimum

[tribal blade]

oh yeah sub is about to be nuclear burst in pvp

[warm marlin]

but why

i dont think they even intended cloud cover to be a 15% buff to outlaw

so why would they comp buff nerfing it

[molten citrus]

No

[mental saffron]

They will compensate with 50 champion crests

[lucid jackal]

Because rogue is dogshit

Why would they just flat nerf rogue

[warm marlin]

if they agreed they would have buffed it last tuning cycle

[lucid jackal]

They did

The last balance patch buffed both sin and otl?

[warm marlin]

wasnt there one after that

[lucid jackal]

Nop

The balance patch said "last until 12.0.5

and it was a sin and otl buff

[warm marlin]

i am mistaken, but then they thought that 4% was good enough

[mental saffron]

Our sub stonks are low

[half comet]

!log SOMEONE SAVE ME

[mental saffron]

Outlaw is gonna be busted for sure

[warm marlin]

this isnt dooming btw

i think the interaction is strange and i dont see why they would comp buff if fixed

[mental saffron]

If they change the Fazed interaction Outlaw would still just be as strong

They dont give a damn about gainer dmg

[molten citrus]

I mean the interaction also just doesn’t seem intended at all

[mental saffron]

Should be inteded as it would buff Sub in a decent way

[molten citrus]

The crit dmg would normally just apply the crit talent x1 because the target is Fazed at all

[warm marlin]

yeah something like this would normally say per stack

[molten citrus]

Surely the intention is just to have the Fazed dmg buff stack

[molten citrus]

Mhm

[warm marlin]

it reads like IF the target has X debuff

[mental saffron]

Sub defensives are already pretty solid, this added DR would make us unkillable during cds

Feint is free to press as sub

[lucid jackal]

Because usually when a bugged interaction is a DPS increase, they buff to compensate

They did it with shadow and devourer multiple times

[mental saffron]

Thats Shadow and Dev

We are rog

We dont get that treatment

[lucid jackal]

It can go either way.

Yes the tooltips don't say do x per stack, but fazed also hasn't been able to stack UNTIL this interaction, what else would stacking fazed even do if not trigger multiple stacks of these interactions?

[lucid jackal]

Oh my god you people are worse than balance druids

Its like a full time job to be a victim

Putting in overtime hours at the victim factory

[lucid jackal]

Explain to me what "allows multiple stacks of fazed" does then

Like what purpose does it serve

[molten citrus]

Surely he’s just trolling

[lucid jackal]

Its just the same joke every tier every expac

[half comet]

!lust

[lucid jackal]

I'm a little tired of the victim complex

[molten citrus]

But we are rogues

[half comet]

what is the optimization for shadowstriking on full cp to get a apex proc on supercharged combo point

is that sitll a thing

[lucid jackal]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[molten citrus]

It’s become a part of many of us ig

[half comet]

so in the situation where you are going to dance sec tec would you want an apex proc on that sec tec and set one up for it prior?

[molten citrus]

Too many times have I had people say we should shut the discord down like rets did

[tribal blade]

wait you guys are getting paid

tf

you telling me i've been doing it this whole time for free

[mental saffron]

Am getting paid to antagonize @lucid jackal

[short radish]

i just do it for th e love of the game

[warm marlin]

just the 8% damage thing

[small sleet]

No there’s a bug that makes the apex talent not work while you have premeditation, so you don’t have to have an apex proc before casting shadow dance/sec tech, you just want to make sure you get an apex proc for the second supercharged combo point

[warm marlin]

like if it didnt have the interactions it would be within 1% of no scruples

which makes sense as a power level

[hazy lichen]

why isnt my lights potential working in macro

[half comet]

so you never set it up prior you just do it on the 2nd supercharged?

[warm marlin]

why would a random choice node amp multiple other parts of the tree

[small sleet]

Yeah, there’s no need to force an apex proc before using shadow dance, but it doesn’t hurt or anything if you do have one

[lucid jackal]

But the fazed part doesn't say it adds per stack

[warm marlin]

the fazed buff itself when its on a target says "take x% more damage"

so if that stacks it makes sense, the other things less so

idk i dont have a strong argument here its just the way it makes sense to interpret it

which is also why eleem and co thought it wouldnt be strong

[lucid jackal]

Like I said, it can go either way if its intended, or unintended

Theres no world they say "Oh this isn't intended, lets fix this interaction and also provide 0 compensation" in a patch note

thats just not consistent with how theyve balanced the game for a long time now

If they bug fix, you get a compensation buff

[brisk onyx]

Actually, this was just a meme caused by coincidence. Blizz was already prepared to buff retdin, even without that childish threat, but clearly, they rarely take rogue seriously

[lucid jackal]

and if they don't see it as intended, they would wait until 12.1, or 12.0.7 to remove it

[warm marlin]

add talent thats similar power level to old choice node but with some new flavour -> it turns out to accidentally be worth like 15% dps on its own -> fix it so that it goes back to the intended similar power level to old choice node doesnt seem like a crazy line of events to me

i will be happy if it remains as strong as it is

[lucid jackal]

But again

If it works taht way, and they think its a bug