subtlety

[dusky yacht]

💀

Are you on EU

I can try and help

[fluid lintel]

Na

[dry flame]

Why small pause after blades? Only pause should be between Guidon and cds

Some people even SD>Blades>ST

[dusky yacht]

Right my bad

I haven't slept (again)

I meant guidon -> small pause -> blades etc

I'm trying my best

[dry flame]

[fluid lintel]

silly question

how gear dependant is sub

Like stats wise

[dusky yacht]

I'm gonna be real if you're doing really bad dps it's prolly more your rotation and misunderstanding talents

[fluid lintel]

I don't understand

how I can misplay THIS BAD

[dusky yacht]

Because everyone says it's a 2 button rotation and they're blatantly wrong

It's a 2 button rotation while keeping track of multiple things and timing everything to the gcd or you lose dps

And you need the macros

You can't just vibe with the spec at all

[fluid lintel]

The macros are for blades and coup yes?

[dusky yacht]

Well no

My blades macro is just blades + potion, that's it

[fluid lintel]

What the hell am I missing

Like I actually swear

[dusky yacht]

Sectec+dance macro is a big one

[fluid lintel]

The damage I'm doing is like I'm random button mashing

So essentially

You can't go into dance without AA up

[dusky yacht]

You can.

You stop evising at around 5 sec, you try and get 6+ combopoints and getting AA up is a bonus, but not a requirement

Because what's way more important is using sectec dance macro ON COOLDOWN

[fluid lintel]

So essentially

yeah

I am basically random button mashing

[dusky yacht]

Then once you're in dance

You have to do your rotation on the global cooldown

So you're button mashing, sure

But the correct buttons

If you mess up, gg you lose dps

And I don't mean a little bit

[fluid lintel]

Oh I'm aware

Not a little bit

Like

50-60k

Probally more with how absoutle dog shit I am

[dusky yacht]

Two button rotation bro lol haha ez mode spec

Until people actually play it

And then they realise wait

I can't play it

Lmao

[fluid lintel]

Yeah I kinda

wonna just give up lol

[dusky yacht]

Well don't because once it works it's hella rewarding tbh

My first impression was (when I respecced from assa)

Wtf is this shit.

This sucks.

Then I tried to get it a bit better: wow ok

[fluid lintel]

I'm trying to use sub as an off spec from law (because I hate myself)

And like

[dusky yacht]

Now I'm perfecting it: why am I topping the meters as b-tier tho

[fluid lintel]

Rogue is one of the few classes that has two specs I know I'd like

for dps

And I'm trying to stop being a one trick

[dusky yacht]

I just spent like 2 hours teaching a new guy and he was like "omg I do so much more dps now already", it's all about what you're doing and when

And if you haven't yet, lower your input queue thing, I forget the exact name

[dry flame]

Don't overcomplivate things :

• Only pop dance with 6+ combo points
• Only dance with ST up, 30 energy and macro (exception during blades)
• hold CDs for blades when they are coming up (~10 sec)

[dusky yacht]

You can't play with that as sub

[shrewd lantern]

AA mostly plays itself

stop spending early is severely neutered from its tww style

[fluid lintel]

So literally I unironically have hardcore griefed myself beyond belief

[dry flame]

It's not that relevant, especially when you don't have 4p

[fluid lintel]

Alright

[shrewd lantern]

?

[fluid lintel]

I'm gonna stop dooming

[shrewd lantern]

4p doesnt change how you play aa

[fluid lintel]

And actually try and do real damage Lmafo

[tribal blade]

@lilac stag @short radish

[fluid lintel]

Oh god you were with frozen

[tribal blade]

hell yeah he's my guildie

[fluid lintel]

Nice

He's chill af

[tribal blade]

yeah he's been in my guild for 4-5 years or so

[shrewd lantern]

me when his guild's casual rank

[tribal blade]

we're close

[dry flame]

I meant that the bigger losses in dps have nothing to do with AA

[shrewd lantern]

is "prophet sucks"

[tribal blade]

LOL

[dusky yacht]

I mean like bad at the game or...

[tribal blade]

both bad at game and bad at using brain

the ultimate combo

[dusky yacht]

[shrewd lantern]

same

[dusky yacht]

One of us

[fluid lintel]

Yall can't be worse then me

[dusky yacht]

No you're just so good that you don't understand the sub mentality

You gotta embrace the suck

Become the suck

[shrewd lantern]

honestly even pooling is a joke now

[fluid lintel]

This spec has legit

[dry flame]

Well, you are a rogue player, it comes with the class

[fluid lintel]

done a straight 180 since BFA when I last played it

[tribal blade]

true

[shrewd lantern]

you are drowning in shadowtech and energy during dance

[dry flame]

Only people bad at using brain would put themselves through this

[shrewd lantern]

you can stop spending like 2-3 gcds before a sectech is ready to go

compared to tww where you could fr go 10 or more

[fluid lintel]

So like

when learning the basics, do I care about AA?

[dusky yacht]

My guildies having fun, laughter, chatting on vc
Me: ...
My guildies: "Why is Kuro (me) so quiet again?"
Me:

https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-hot-nervous-l4FATJpd4LWgeruTK

[crystal comet]

Can I ask, why would you stop spending them instead of just spamming extra Backstabs? obvs you want to maintain above energy cost for Dance->SecTec macro, is there a different reason?

[short radish]

Is that 3.4k done?

[dusky yacht]

Because your backstabs do 4000 damage

And you might fk up your sectec on cd use

lmao

It's literally pointless

[shrewd lantern]

i mean its at most

2-3 secs

the afk periods are a shell

of the tww build

casually afk 15 seconds on dimmy p1

prepping the sb flag nuke

[dusky yacht]

Well sure but I just prefere getting AA up before I sectec dance or use the whole guidon blades thing

Because why not honestly

Better than doing no damage and pretending I'm doing damage

[fluid lintel]

Gudion is so weird to fit in

[dusky yacht]

Just guidon 1 sec or a bit less before you blades and etc

It's not really fitting it in

[fluid lintel]

My ape brain just says "MACRO IT"

[dusky yacht]

You are doing basically nothing right before it

Macroing a trinket? I remember that

What a life that was

[shrewd lantern]

i remember when sub played

2 on use trinkets that were just

press and it does damage

[crystal comet]

ngl I love that Guidon and SBlades have the same cooldown, it's nice that they're macro-able

[shrewd lantern]

or worse the jailer trinket

[shrewd lantern]

yeah so you wasted your guidon

grats

[crystal comet]

explain?

[shrewd lantern]

dance duration doesnt auto update

so pop guidon at the same time your first dance isnt extended

[crystal comet]

Hey so I specified SBlades?

[dusky yacht]

facepalm

[shrewd lantern]

so you just lost a gcd of blades

[fluid lintel]

Are you pressing blades without dance?

[shrewd lantern]

for the funny

[crystal comet]

so I'm pressing shadow blades + guidon, then after pressing Shadow Dance + SecTec

[dusky yacht]

Bro literally trolling

[fossil forge]

Using guidon on my first ss has been quite the improvement

[dusky yacht]

I personally prefer the control of just keybinding it.

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[fossil forge]

I have it bound i just sync it with my first ss from stealth

[dusky yacht]

I mean yeah same thing I do basically

Unless they're still gathering the mobs in m+ for example

[crystal comet]

I'm confused, so what is wrong with the way I'm doing it? Is it the one GCD in Shadow Blade being lost before going into Shadow Dance/SecTec?

[pliant pendant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tbqPVysZ2Qa8u3HeF5QBvb hit the 100k mark

[crystal comet]

The alternative just seems like losing a GCD of while guidon is up, how different is that?

[dusky yacht]

Yes it's that one GCD

Guidon itself doesn't matter

[crystal comet]

honest question, since I'm still pretty new and tryna learn

[dusky yacht]

You only use it for the haste decreasing cooldowns

Cooldown reduction on a spec that relies on cooldowns > haste buff

[crystal comet]

ok, so just change my sequencing to guidon-> builder -> sblades + sdance + sectec?

[dusky yacht]

Don't build after guidon, your builders outside of dance do basically nothing

Go to training dummy

Use backstab

Read the number

You are risking a GCD missed in dance for .. that.

[crystal comet]

so instead of that builder just put "variable amount of time until deepening shadows updates"

[dusky yacht]

It's up to 1 sec, not exactly 1 sec..

[crystal comet]

ok yeah, that makes sense

[dusky yacht]

So basically

Unless you are like superhuman mega fast chinese guy on meth

Maybe better not

[crystal comet]

How do you track that on your UI? I'm assuming you're not reading the tooltip on the buff in the buff bar, so is there a good way to surface that info?

[fluid lintel]

So basically is the idea to just

press guidon

wait for the banner to appear and see your character glow?

[crystal comet]

damn, i have to use my eyes

hate that

[fluid lintel]

Using your eyes in wow?

HERESY

[shrewd lantern]

that or macro it to another backstab key

[crystal comet]

tbh i didn't realize the character glow, I have the glow outline permanently on since it helps me to see myself in raid and position so I don't die

[shrewd lantern]

forcing a gcd

[dusky yacht]

Just press guidon keybind and look at your cooldown start or something

This is also why I keybind it

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i just send once guidon timer goes to 1:29

[dusky yacht]

So you can actually know you used it without having to go find your char

[keen dome]

You can also go "one missisipi"

[sonic raven]

what 3rd crafted item should i get?

[crystal comet]

Ok, so this seems like the answer is "just take a beat and you'll learn the tempo after trying it"

[dusky yacht]

Sim them

[shrewd lantern]

nothing ideally

[crystal comet]

cool, thanks for correcting that for me y'all, appreciate the detailed explanation

[fluid lintel]

Do yall believe

I can do real damage with your sacred knowledge

[dusky yacht]

Yeah man I'm sure you're doing real damage

[keen dome]

Your lowest iLevel slot, legs, etc. Just gotta look at your gear.

[dusky yacht]

Not imaginary

It's right there

[dry flame]

It's not complicated, you always use it 1 sec before blades. It's the same CD, so it will always be up for you to press 1 sec early

[fluid lintel]

idk man

Before it absoutlely was

[crystal comet]

I've been topping a lot of raids I've pugged, and apparently I've been trolling hard, so I believe in you

[dusky yacht]

Actually you may have been using guidon correctly by just being slow

That's the funny part tbh

[solemn hedge]

is there a way to create a log on dummys? i want to practice the feedback i got but i hate jumping into random groups on hc

[crystal comet]

also forgive me if this is a dumb question, but is there a reason not to just macro sblades + dance + sectec together? if I'm never pressing blades without the other two?

[fluid lintel]

It should register

[dusky yacht]

Just macro everything into one button and send it bro

You're done for life

ez

[dry flame]

There is a delay for the activation, so if you macro you don't get the benefit of the extra haste (increased SD duration + ST cdr)

[dusky yacht]

Then you're wasting Shadow Blades uptime, next question.-

Sorry I anticipated your next dumb question

[keen dome]

You can macro Dance + SecTec if you want, i believe. But blades isn't recommended.

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tribal blade]

nah not hit 3.3 yet

but 3.4k will be piss easy

[keen dome]

I should start working on that this weekend. It's probably gonna be chill.

[fossil forge]

3,4 is like all 16 no

[keen dome]

Around that yeah

[dry flame]

I play solo, and I find it hard to get the last 85 points. Hard to get into groups

[tribal blade]

the hardest part is finding good players for sure

[shrewd lantern]

i mean i have a sectech dance macro

and another one with blades

and just blades on its own

[outer orchid]

has this always been a thing? if so i literally never notice it

[shrewd lantern]

had to do something with the pruned binds

[dry flame]

Guidon hasn't been always a thing 😄

[fossil forge]

play.your.own.key

Yellow class i cant stress this enough

[dry flame]

I only have resi 15 man, I need at lest 16s

[outer orchid]

so its an interaction with the haste benefit after you press guidon that you want to space SB and SD?

[dusky yacht]

I use a blades + priority light's potential macro, I bind guidon seperately, and use sectec dance macro, but also have dance bound seperately

[keen dome]

Playing your own key becomes a bit harder once you reach the higher key levels. Still doable, but a loooot of waiting. And a lot more annoying to get the key you need.

[dry flame]

I can push my key, then abandoned and back to 15

[fossil forge]

no1 wants yellow+wrong spec for higher keys so If u dont play ur own key ur cooked

[dusky yacht]

Fleeting high rank -> Fleeting low rank -> Potential high rank -> potential low rank, put high ranks in bank if you wanna use low ranks instead.

[dry flame]

If I play just my own key, it'll take me 4x the dungeon runs

And if I need specific ones

Gg

[outer orchid]

maybe there was more to the original message that was said before but he was just asking if SB, SD, and ST can be macro'd together, nothing mentioned guidon there

[shrewd lantern]

i mean personally i wouldnt push on rogue

[crystal comet]

this is exactly what I was asking about, after separating guidon to its own keybind, whether having a blades+dance+sectec was also bad for some reason or whether that was useful

[fossil forge]

🧢

[shrewd lantern]

this class just sucks now to play

not even tuning

its just boring

[wild vine]

Well you just combine it

[keen dome]

Yeah

[wild vine]

Getting half of the keys on a specific level is fine

Then you pug the other keys while rerolling

And you wait less than queuing

[keen dome]

Also start making friends with the cool tanks.

[shrewd lantern]

i enjoy raid prog but i can only play 2-3 keys in one sitting for my vault

[keen dome]

they're the lynchpin

[fossil forge]

You have resi 15 so every key ur play is either gonna be a 16/17

[shrewd lantern]

before i want to alt f4

[fossil forge]

so u can just perma go next

Id much rather wait in q and build my squad but thats just me ig

[shrewd lantern]

i mean how do people think it was done pre resil

[dry flame]

@outer orchid

[shrewd lantern]

shit is so free now

[fossil forge]

Facts

[outer orchid]

i see

thank you

[fluid lintel]

Guys

An actual universe differance

[shrewd lantern]

i mean its just a double whammy for me

since rogue sucks in keys

and is unfun

[fluid lintel]

genuinely thank you

[tame scaffold]

Fuck that guy

[dusky yacht]

And suddenly you're having fun

Isn't that funny

[wild vine]

It doesnt

Tho

[shrewd lantern]

i want to toaster bath after 20 minutes of ss bp

holy

[wild vine]

Play a different spec

[keen dome]

Maybe fun is just subjective

[dry flame]

But so many runs get abandoned, so you will constantly bounce between 15 and RANDOM 16s, when you need specific 16s or 17s

[keen dome]

Who can tell

[shrewd lantern]

i mean assa is just as boring imo

i cant even do big sd booms now

[dusky yacht]

If you're not having fun why you playing

[shrewd lantern]

i like raid

and m+ is forced content for gear

[dusky yacht]

So you're having fun

[shrewd lantern]

not really

i enjoy the raid

[keen dome]

What if they added myth vault to pet battles

[dry flame]

Like, you are saying 🧢 and shit, but you are spewing some fairy tale, when the reality of pugging is much more lame

[dusky yacht]

10 10keys is hardly a lot of work in a week man cmon

[shrewd lantern]

it is when this is the most braindead variant of sub

in a long time

[dusky yacht]

rolls eyes

[short radish]

Thats 10 keys too many

[fossil forge]

Doing boosts+weekly has been a big W motivation

[shrewd lantern]

real

[dusky yacht]

Literally crying your eyeballs out

[wild vine]

8 but it also can be if you got a life outside of wow

[keen dome]

It should be 1/3/6 imo

[shrewd lantern]

m+ers get too much gear

as is

[fossil forge]

Im just saying its a lot easier to get into keys If you make your own.

[short radish]

I hate doers so much

They are a blight on wow

[shrewd lantern]

real

esp with resil

[short radish]

And have ruined raiding

[shrewd lantern]

you can brick a key 20x

[dry flame]

Getting into keys is not an issue, competent groups are that finish the keys

[shrewd lantern]

at least pvpers lose rating when they suck

[short radish]

Hurr durr i need this bis trinket so I can push my +394 algethars

[fossil forge]

Thats literally why u MAKE UR OWN KEY BRAH

[dry flame]

Like, "push your key" is a great advice for weekly 10s

[fossil forge]

so u can check their LOGS in m+ to see their dmg

[dry flame]

Not when you need specific 16/17s

[shrewd lantern]

its called make friends with a tank

[dusky yacht]

Elitism is so cool like it makes me feel so special and amazing, I also enjoy calling everything not fun if I don't think it's fun, but I'll do it anyway because I have to to be the best, ugh, actually playing the game to be the best in the game I'm playing, so disgusting.

[keen dome]

this is the cheat code to M+

[shrewd lantern]

my tank calls healers animals

great guys

[short radish]

True. Healers arent people

[keen dome]

Mine is currently trying to figure out how to do more DPS than all the DPS with prot pal

[wild vine]

Thats why, yet again, you combine it like a smart person

[keen dome]

Her record is a 800k burst

[short radish]

I dont like being forced in game modes i dont want to play

Just like im not forced to pvp anymore thank fuck

[dusky yacht]

You're not forced

[short radish]

You are if you want to mythic raid

[shrewd lantern]

every good tank does

its the only fun with tanking

[dusky yacht]

I'm mythic raiding, I could stop doing keys at any moment in time and I'd be fine

[keen dome]

That's true

[short radish]

You cant not do m+

[dusky yacht]

You're not forced

Forced is a gun to your head

[keen dome]

What world rank are you doing it at

[shrewd lantern]

chances are if you dont try to max dps as a tank

you just have little man syndrome

over controling the run

[keen dome]

Man, those tanks who scream at you if you get aggro or pull for them still exist

they're hilarious

[shrewd lantern]

i enjoy waisting hours on season release

for shit content

[short radish]

I am. If you do 0 keys your char is going to be 268 ilvl when everyone else is 278

[shrewd lantern]

its so much fun and definitely not my most disliked part

of every tier

and m+ andys still complain blizz doesnt shit out gear to them

[keen dome]

The higher in Mythic raid content progression you go, the more M+ becomes mandatory content.

[dusky yacht]

You could say the same about farming gold then

[fossil forge]

Its kinda funny how u can not raid and play m+ but not the other way around isnt it

[dusky yacht]

And campaign

[short radish]

Yup this is why I hate doers

[dusky yacht]

I guess you just gotta play the game to play the game it's crazy

[shrewd lantern]

also needing io when you want to farm a trinket

and it gets bricked by a tank who watches yoda for 5h

on the first pull

my "score"

on a fucking 12

[keen dome]

oh god the MDI wannabes

[shrewd lantern]

go toaster bath holy

[keen dome]

please save me from those guys

Just do the dungeon normally for the love god it's a +12

[fossil forge]

Imo they should make the dungeon pool change twice during 1 tier to make dungeons not feel so repeating

[fallow nimbus]

No, it's mdi route time

[short radish]

Pvp is largely separate from raiding and m+

Why cant raiding and m+ be disjointed

[dusky yacht]

They're both PvE

[shrewd lantern]

m+ you dont gotta raid for

[dusky yacht]

You always had to do dungeons to raid

[shrewd lantern]

your random 3k shitter thinks they need bis items

[short radish]

Okay and so is pet battles

[wild vine]

I like them as long as they can actually manage it. The faster weeklies are over the better

[dusky yacht]

bruh

[wild vine]

Time is money

[shrewd lantern]

generally they cant manage it

[outer orchid]

i mean you could make the argument that pet battling should give you hero/myth track gear

that's pve too

[keen dome]

Yeah, but there's normal and then there's "I watched the MDI strat, wait why did we wipe to pulling the entire underrot instance"

[dusky yacht]

American take

[outer orchid]

but that would be stupid

[shrewd lantern]

any tank that types more than 2 sentences before a key starts about route

[short radish]

Yeah you did dungeons for a few weeks then you entered raid and never entered them again

[shrewd lantern]

i know ts getting bricked

on first pull

[keen dome]

I mean, it should

because that'd be funny

[fallow nimbus]

Raiding peaked in wod then it went downhill with m+ in legion

[shrewd lantern]

real

[wild vine]

[short radish]

I dont hate dungeons, I just hate having to do them every week for no gain other than mandatory currency

[keen dome]

The vault is a psyop

Okay so other than outright deleting M+: how would you guys fix it? Let's go, big brain takes, I wanna hear the ideas.

[wild vine]

Vault is granting nothing but emotional damage

[outer orchid]

and vault slots for missing pieces/jewelry/bis trinkets/tertiary catalyst pieces/etc

[shrewd lantern]

delete m+

or go back to one key vault a week

[keen dome]

I said other than that!!

[short radish]

Trauma.jpg

I will upload this image when im at my computer

[short radish]

Yes. Also part of mandatory currency

[shrewd lantern]

also infinite hero gear

first 2 weeks

[keen dome]

the BfA style? That'd be interesting. Personally I think 1/3/6 would work. but yeah the infinte gear is wildly unbalanced and skews it massively

[short radish]

Youre finally understanding how mandatory it is to do m+ in order to mythic raid.

[shrewd lantern]

it was legion too

mdi wannabes ruined keys

[keen dome]

But if you remove Hero gear from M+ and it's all Champ then you skew it massively the other direction and it becomes stupid.

[keen dome]

Yeah but also you had the 3 actual chest bullshit

[wild vine]

Unironically the most fun I have in m+ and I dont even dislike m+ itself

I like those weeks

[dapper stirrup]

Is simcraft still bugged for the hast caps? I tried going trickster to hit the 700 but it only gave me less dps on sim

[shrewd lantern]

polar opposite

[keen dome]

I would like to see them change it to 1/3/6 instead of 1/4/8

[outer orchid]

since coming back to do raid again
it made me realize just how much i hate m+
i love raiding, even if its slow progress
m+ can literally be 30 min looking for the correct dungeon for your io
then it bricks on a random pull (usually first)
then you get literally nothing for it
thank you for giving me an incentive to do this content :)

[fallow nimbus]

Make m+ the challenge mode with scaled itemlvl that scales with like your score. Get more score get more dungeon ilvl get even more score

[keen dome]

oh no

[wild vine]

Ye or 2 4 6 like raid

[shrewd lantern]

i enjoy being 5 ilvl behind on busy raid release weeks

because i didnt do 4h of shit 5mans

[keen dome]

That would be fine, too

[shrewd lantern]

the afternoon before

its great

m+ should be like prey

2 items a week

[glacial eagle]

since coming back I expected to hate M+ and love raiding
it turned out to be the opposite

[keen dome]

1 item per dungeon a week

bam, parity with raid

[short radish]

Thats not bad tbh

[outer orchid]

if you dont spend all of your time in the first week grinding out hero pieces you're automatically behind for weeks

[dusky yacht]

It's not mandatory to do anything even if for your guild it is mandatory to do m+ for vault above a certain level of m+, with any reasonable level of io you will get into those parties piss easy since you outgear the hell out of the keylevel.

[outer orchid]

good system i think

[shrewd lantern]

yep

also notice how they cap pvpers on their gear too

[keen dome]

Monkey paw curls.

Introducing the M+ seasonal journey

At rank 4 Hero items can drop

[glacial eagle]

stop

[short radish]

Someone report him please.

[keen dome]

But like, having a finite of drops per week from M+ would be fascinating, esp with how the bonus roll items work in 12.0.5. It'd def be a cool thing to try.

[shrewd lantern]

ngl delves are more fun than keys

[keen dome]

I doubt it'd happen 'cos people would call it timegating.

[shrewd lantern]

bran actually kicks

unlike average m+ dps

[keen dome]

brann????

[molten citrus]

wdym you tried going trickster to hit the haste cap

[shrewd lantern]

also bran dispels you insta

m+ healers im waiting 3 business days

[keen dome]

That's true in pug raiding, too

I'm jumping up and down and pinging myself on Chim waiting for a dispel for sixteen business days

[shrewd lantern]

then that same player gets the item you want

that you were farming 20 runs for

good system

[glacial eagle]

they would have to apply the BLP system to normal drops then
because imagine wasting one of your drops on a third copy of an item
like raiding doesn't really have that issue nearly as much due to group size and composition, but in M+ it's trivial to end up with items that are straight-up worthless

[outer orchid]

champion/veteran track gear vs hero track gear
seems pretty mandatory to me

[plush roost]

Idk if i d be very happy if my character was bricked with 2 hero track boots

And bad raid drops

[dusky yacht]

You still need hero track gear? I thought you were high ranked mythic raiders

Like bro your argumentations aren't consistent at all

[keen dome]

Yeah, I think it's a flawe answer.

[glacial eagle]

I wonder if there could be a better system
like merit badges awarded for completion
or some sort of points for bringing evil to justice

[dusky yacht]

And you're all just whining endlessly

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure they tune the raid higher

[keen dome]

A very good reason not to do it, yeah

[shrewd lantern]

because rwf andys spending 10h a day in keys

on launch too

[outer orchid]

obviously not anymore? because i had to sit there farming it out early on in m+ to keep up with progression?

[dusky yacht]

So you don't need the hero gear anymore?

[keen dome]

Sorry to be clear I mean my answer is flawed. Your criticsm is very good.

[south moss]

Is there some kind of mastery cap at which point we should be sending crit instead of mastery? Or just keep pumping into mastery?

[outer orchid]

still need myth track from vault

[dusky yacht]

Can you put 1 and 1 together now and make the link yourself please

[glacial eagle]

yeah I read you clear the first time broski

[dusky yacht]

10 10 keys

[glacial eagle]

*8

[outer orchid]

yeah that sounds really fun

totally not mandatory

[dusky yacht]

You get the party instantly if you're raiding mythic

[dusky yacht]

Even easier lmao

[shrewd lantern]

its way more than 10 keys the start of a season

[dusky yacht]

Bro

Are we at start of season

[short radish]

Idk how were still trying to convince you that m+ is mandatory for mythic raiding

[outer orchid]

i never said it's difficult to do them
i just disagree with the statement of them NOT being mandatory

[dusky yacht]

You have to gear pre-raid omg crazy

Bro you aren't convincing me of anything

[glacial eagle]

this particular season, no, not really
me and my peeps were timing 10s the very first week and we're not mythic raiders or title players

[short radish]

Like if you don't want to accept that then we're at an impass

[dusky yacht]

You are just whining endlessly

You don't want to accept that bitching about it isn't gonna change a thing

Also this is sub channel not whine central

[keen dome]

They're not, though. it's actually been an interesting discussion about what they could do about ti and why it's bad.

[short radish]

Congrats, welcome to the sub channel

[shrewd lantern]

same thng

[outer orchid]

must be your first time in any class discord ever

[fallow nimbus]

+10 keys were easy this raid launch

[dusky yacht]

Unrelated to class nor spec discussion, like at all

[outer orchid]

its almost like communities speak out about what sucks in games

[dapper stirrup]

to the 700 haste cap as in the sticky post

[shrewd lantern]

its an infinite supply of gear

m+ that is

[dusky yacht]

Do that in wow general

Maybe?

[keen dome]

Why are you policing people

[shrewd lantern]

yes spec discussion like the 200th person pretending secondaries matter

[outer orchid]

i think you should apply for moderation team

[dusky yacht]

I am not policing I am pointing out you're in the wrong channel

Am I wrong

[keen dome]

yes

[outer orchid]

you would really crack down on the server

[short radish]

We've beaten the spec discussions 600 times now

There's only so much we can say raid tuning bad

[dusky yacht]

This is also a channel to help players, spread knowledge and learning

[short radish]

Sub no niche bad

[shrewd lantern]

also 99% of "spec discussion" is people not reading the pins

or a guide

[fallow nimbus]

He wouldn't survive the other channels if nerfs happen

[shrewd lantern]

or consulting raidbots

[dusky yacht]

You're just flooding it with whine

[outer orchid]

most questions are answered/replied directly to so it doesnt get lost in the sea of messages

[keen dome]

Well, you are flooding it with whining about whine right now, so

I mean.

[outer orchid]

so uhh

[dusky yacht]

Bruh

Can't talk to americans anymore

[shrewd lantern]

most questions are people not reading

[outer orchid]

there it is

[keen dome]

How many Americans are there here right now.

come on, own up.

[short radish]

Brother. Assassination General turns into maple story general at the end of the tier

[short radish]

If i say what i am, I get auto modded

[keen dome]

How many times have we just talked about food for like 3 hours in here, too.

[outer orchid]

🍔 🇺🇸

[plush roost]

Canadian does thst count

[keen dome]

Only if you send me poutine

[plush roost]

It was national poutine day a couple days ago

(Yes its real)

[keen dome]

Damn

[shrewd lantern]

[keen dome]

Well I'd hope it was real, that rules

[plush roost]

Ye places had like 3$ poutine and stuff

Banger

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[shrewd lantern]

my favorite keys are when the tanks spends 5 minutes yapping about route

into "big pull" and abandon

30s later

[keen dome]

hang on I have one of those

[plush roost]

I wish i had tanks even give me a route...

[dry flame]

These classes are not played in +20?
Better avoid them for my +10 #completion weekly

[plush roost]

Blood from a stone man

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237881924480008193/1494061884683325582/image.png?ex=69e13d0f&is=69dfeb8f&hm=34a617b9f66fbfdd4364d6151cd5520270b2937fd28b66d661519a2d7897847f&

[molten citrus]

[keen dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1494060390257131630/image.png?ex=69e13bab&is=69dfea2b&hm=7cafd1e23dc2c985c337396578014748a492cde59edef0c463e0ce071feed138&

[shrewd lantern]

my main tank gives me more confidence saying

"healers arent people"

or "Why are you idiots all dead im fine"

[keen dome]

Resto druids hate damage. They're absolutely against it.

[plush roost]

Truth

[short radish]

They arent.

[molten citrus]

people disagreeing becomes an "american" problem

[shrewd lantern]

i think i genuinely hate rdruids in all content

[molten citrus]

lol

[shrewd lantern]

in pvp they have a sixth sense to cyclone the target

i sent cds on

[keen dome]

Haha

[outer orchid]

please put this in the wow-general channel

[dusky yacht]

Listen, they're talking in the wrong channel, just an endless chain of negativity and whining.

[shrewd lantern]

or the tauren resto special

of warstomp a guy 5s from stun dr ending

?????

[keen dome]

He's helping

[keen dome]

lmao

[shrewd lantern]

real

[keen dome]

I occasionally play with an absolutely insane Resto who does bonkers healing and like, ridiculous damage. She's wild.

And then I have to remember that most people aren't her

and it's sad.

[short radish]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/135842872418107392/1095618582244769872/ezgif-5-6a34a884eb3.gif

[molten citrus]

has never really been an issue before now

[short radish]

I am always here for rdruid slander

[molten citrus]

as long as it isn't derailing other active discussions

[short radish]

Sorry am I not allowed to talk about rdruid in the sub channel

[shrewd lantern]

i love needing 3 business days for a dispel

[dusky yacht]

At this point it's basically preventing other dicussions.

[shrewd lantern]

from a healer doing zdps

[short radish]

But also fuck rdruids

[hollow spear]

The more I read from Glenn, the more I dislike him

[shrewd lantern]

by discussion he means the 30th person not just reading the guide

[outer orchid]

this guy needs to be a moderator ig

[dusky yacht]

Good for you buddy but I don't care.

[hollow spear]

That wasn't for you mate

Just in general

[keen dome]

In my multiple years of posting here, I have never once seen a random discussion get in the way of people helping other people. People will be chatting, someone will ask a spec question, and multiple people will help them.

[dusky yacht]

Sorry you couldn't beat my dps meters I guess

[short radish]

#off-topic

[dusky yacht]

Stay mad

[fallow nimbus]

General isn't allowed here, can't you read?

[molten citrus]

i think you're taking this a bit too literally

[dusky yacht]

Right, figurative rules

Makes sense

[molten citrus]

also being a bit obtuse

[dusky yacht]

Would you prefer I was acute

Like what

[hollow spear]

Stating that you can't argue with Americans while speaking to mostly Europeans, an Aussie and a Canadian. I can't

[dusky yacht]

That wasn't my issue at all and you know it

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/brent-my-hero-aus-top-guy-gif-17971844794065873200

[keen dome]

stop posting selfies, fim

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

OH I RECKON M8

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you fr thinking keys arent mandatory at season start

is peak comedy

in any decent guild

[short radish]

Or mandatory weekly

[dusky yacht]

Bruh

[keen dome]

Even out of a decent guild. If you want to puglord, you HAVE to be in front of the iLevel and rating curve.

[hollow spear]

Always reminds me of this video

https://youtu.be/SVy0HnJeOJE?is=Wr0Uac2LWB4qaNBb

[outer orchid]

even liquid was running 10s

[dusky yacht]

It's about not bitching about it endlessly in here

You're children holy shit

[short radish]

Yeah absolute mad lad this one

[shrewd lantern]

yeah get an invite to AA by a tank that bricks it first pull

[keen dome]

My fav Aussie is Beau Miles

[shrewd lantern]

to farm puzzle

[keen dome]

He's so cool

[hollow spear]

What would he think of literal childrens like us?

[wild vine]

Argueing with europeans is great wdym

[fallow nimbus]

I mean, if you get every piece from raid because you are the niece from the boss then it's kinda true

[plush roost]

At the end of the day the rogue community is actually rather tight-knit and this discord has quite a few regulars. Like look at assa channel and its literally homo-erotic fanfiction and outlaw is somehow even more complaint driven.

We're all passionate about wow and topics surrounding it, even if its not specifically about sub rogue, we all main sub

[keen dome]

I think he'd tell us to go outside and touch grass.

[hollow spear]

I have grass indoors

[shrewd lantern]

does this happen in any serious guild

[tribal blade]

I HAD NOTHIN BUT ME JOCKS ON

[hollow spear]

Jokes on you

I'm just like: MATE

[dusky yacht]

Okay so then if I disagree with their opinions I deserve to get publically humiliated and shamed for disagreeing with their statements?

[fallow nimbus]

Any serious guild knows that m+ is mandatory

[short radish]

Not all of us main sub. Look at @tribal blade

[dusky yacht]

What is this an elementary school

[wild vine]

Thats kinda wild tbh

[hollow spear]

You're getting taken down a notch for trying to tone police and being a knobhead in general

[dusky yacht]

Taken down a notch

Scroll up buddy

You missed half the convo I think

[tribal blade]

eyeyeyeyeyyeeyy

[hollow spear]

You have pretty thin skin for dishing out so much

[tribal blade]

i went sin for 1 season

[wild vine]

Buddy always feels kinda offensive

[keen dome]

smh

[tribal blade]

i didn't have a fun time tbh

juggling the fucking mark

was cancer

[shrewd lantern]

[keen dome]

I'm sure that will improve soon.

[shrewd lantern]

"IS ASSA BETTER NOW"

[wild vine]

Idk I personally never had issues with the mark

[keen dome]

The command in Assa is really funny for that

[tribal blade]

but given how things are going right now it's gonna be another sin season lol

[keen dome]

Just stellar work

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes i wonder how much of whispyr's lifespan is lost

[tribal blade]

i feel like 70% of the time it was fine

[shrewd lantern]

responding to people in that channel

[tribal blade]

30% it was a nightmare

[wild vine]

Id guess I had sad moments in like 5% of the time at most

[plush roost]

Tbh man, nobody deserves anything and actions have consequences. Youre free to disagree but youre attempting to redirect an active conversation to another channel and people would just rather not do that, then you keep harping on them and they get annoyed idk

[shrewd lantern]

most of my cooked ds moments were when someone pulled early

and i have no vanish

[plush roost]

Its a public forum let peopke talk

[wild vine]

Tho I think the execution is kinda whack, while I do like the idea of the hero tree in general

Idk why it isnt just a buff on you

[tribal blade]

hi friend

[shrewd lantern]

idk same reason fatal intent exists

[tulip gorge]

so what is the verdict on this new trickster talent, are we going to play it?

[short radish]

Nice try redirecting conversation

[hollow spear]

Idk, losing your mark even "only" 5% of the time is super tilting

[glacial eagle]

because obviously combo points on target were a fine mechanic and everyone loved it

[tribal blade]

EXACTLY

apparently it kills the theme

which i think is BS

[short radish]

Answer is maybe, tc still in development. Check back when its released

[plush roost]

Yeah is very strong

[shrewd lantern]

wait for fuu to do the math

[plush roost]

For any burst scenario

Overall maybe maybe not

[tribal blade]

hey stupid we lost redirect back in like mop or something, get with the times

[tulip gorge]

great, even more burst during shadowblades

[hollow spear]

Strong for burst, maybe better over 5 min, but not sure

[outer orchid]

i think i remember someone saying its 150% crit

[plush roost]

But it interacts very interestingly

With some other trickster talents

[shrewd lantern]

i mean more burst is good

[hollow spear]

Even more?

[molten citrus]

it seems very strong for outlaw, so i'd assume the same for sub. stacking Fazed two more times means 24% damage instead of 8%, and the builder crit also stacks two more times which seems insane.

[glacial eagle]

p sure it was wod (with the on-target points being gone also)

[shrewd lantern]

its likely the pvp default

[shrewd lantern]

not 100% about pve yet

[plush roost]

Juicy strike crits

[tulip gorge]

is the builder crit intended though?

[glacial eagle]

what the fuck

[molten citrus]

probably not

[glacial eagle]

builders doing DAMAGE?

[molten citrus]

who knows

[molten citrus]

the way it sits, it seems way too strong to not use

[tribal blade]

probably was yeah, so long ago my brain no remmeber

[plush roost]

Cloudcover interaction hehe

[outer orchid]

that ss damage is disgusting

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i can see it being defaulted in pvp

especially when you dont really go for crit there

[hollow spear]

Oh yah builder crit

[molten citrus]

i think most of us have wondered this same thing. blizz just seems too stubborn on it.

[wild vine]

Ye sounds stupid.
But even if they wanted it to be a debuff, it couldve acted like caustic spatter does rn while maintaining the "status" of the mark itself

[shrewd lantern]

my favorite part about ds assa was pvp where you dont ambush first

[tribal blade]

there's so many ways they could make it better but they're quadrupling down

[shrewd lantern]

and just lose mark due to people spam cc you

[hollow spear]

So it would be a debuff on the enemy that is a buff on you at the same time?

[molten citrus]

just a buff on you

would work perfectly

[hollow spear]

Ofc

But they hate that apparently

[tribal blade]

buff on the player would be far better, they did that to BtE

[molten citrus]

gets rid of every pain point basically

[tribal blade]

so i dunno why it's so illegal for DS

[low arch]

My mark went to my tank in key yesterday, it's working fine 🤭

[hollow spear]

As you said, they're really stubborn about it

[outer orchid]

yes

[tribal blade]

it would also make it so they wouldn't need to keep fixing DS to make it more playable

[outer orchid]

this would be amazing

[molten citrus]

the only other cyclical debuff i can think of was unholy stacks

and they pruned those already

[shrewd lantern]

i mean blizz has also said they think uptime increasing cd buff uptime was toxic

[hollow spear]

You know what I've just noticed? We're back to discussing a sub rogue topic for the 500th time. Peace at last!

[shrewd lantern]

then you look at devourer meta

which centers around extending it

[hollow spear]

I don't wanna look at devourer

It saddens me

[shrewd lantern]

it plays better than rogue

[glacial eagle]

they legit introduced an ability just to NOT fix DS

[hollow spear]

Which saddens me

[wild vine]

We should look at aug instead, what a great spec

[hollow spear]

Could see myself playing it

[shrewd lantern]

wdym aug is great i can play like shit

[wild vine]

I just made one

[shrewd lantern]

and everyone too lazy to deepdive logs

[wild vine]

[shrewd lantern]

to call me out on it

[tribal blade]

the devs legit don't play the game so they have no idea how annoying playing DS truly is

[hollow spear]

Wrong prophet

They play the game

But they don't play rogue

[tribal blade]

LOL fair enough

[shrewd lantern]

wheres that meme of ion telling people to farm neck ap

while being severely behind

himself

[wild vine]

They were like "ds is kinda annoying, gonna play fatebound" and now arent interested in fixing ds

[tribal blade]

wouldn't be surprised if that was the case too

[shrewd lantern]

you guys remember

when they removed evis off nimble

and buffed nimble to compensate

then nerfed nimble

yeah me too

[tribal blade]

truly a decision of all time

[plush roost]

Yeah but it crank tho

[tribal blade]

godDAMn

i need to borrow some haste

por favor

to hit 1100

[outer orchid]

i thought you weren't DS on lu'ra

[plush roost]

I think

[shrewd lantern]

you might not be on tuesday

[plush roost]

If adds are covered

[shrewd lantern]

if the new cloud cover better?

[tribal blade]

lura is basically a 1 target fight

besides P1

[plush roost]

Ds crank boss

[outer orchid]

big dam

[plush roost]

Cloudcover may make p3 too good tho

Have to see

[hollow spear]

Show haste

[outer orchid]

1500 trust

[tribal blade]

1500 haste

that's crazy

[hazy breach]

Technically possible

[outer orchid]

prob under 1200

[hazy breach]

But yeah not very reasonable

[hollow spear]

Darkest night nerf for sub rogue only

[hazy breach]

(also not very good)

[outer orchid]

i was joking 💀
that's insane

i can't find the picture of the gcds in dance chart

anyone have?

[hazy breach]

I was checking wether the 1.6k breakpoint was worth

It wasnt but you cant get more than like 1670 right now

[shrewd lantern]

do you need

the lura ring

[keen dome]

Imagine if we needed to get 1.6k haste.

I think I'd be sad

[hazy breach]

and helmet ye

[keen dome]

I'm really curious how it's gonna feel in S2/3 with secondary inflation (assuming nothing with our we're designed changes)

[golden harbor]

!log

[shrewd lantern]

we get mandate 2.0

and lingering bug still exists because lmao who plays this class

[hollow spear]

I forgot lingering bug

[tribal blade]

remember how much haste we had during prepatch

[hollow spear]

What was that again

[shrewd lantern]

isnt it back

unless they patched it again

[keen dome]

oh yeah

[hollow spear]

If Alleria neck doesn't drop tonight

[harsh lotus]

Anyone know what the skill/talent is that makes cheap shot glow and give combo points (during dance it seems) ?

[hollow spear]

Imma crash out

[shrewd lantern]

i did a pug and lost it to a mage who blinked off the map

[keen dome]

I've seen some interesting things on Crown

The amount of people who don't have a space bar is quite fascinating, but watching a paladin horse off the edge is very funny

and won't ever get old

[shrewd lantern]

pugs make me thankful for my team

because even our most pepega moments

[keen dome]

At least with a team you can typically explain and discuss stuff.

[outer orchid]

this one?

[keen dome]

Half the time in a pug, trying to explain the why of something is met with "u wrong bro"

[outer orchid]

i think it just normally gives combo points now

[keen dome]

People love arguing over ChimM marker locations

[hollow spear]

Please take this to the general channel

[hollow spear]

People love not looking at markers during the fight even more than that

[keen dome]

Haha, true

The amount of "Why were you in middle??"

[rain swift]

whats a good % to get crit to? if its worth building at all

[wild vine]

Whatever sim tells you to

[wild vine]

Its such a simple fight idk

[outer orchid]

i cannot escape it
i have been this rank for 2 weeks now

[wild vine]

Struggling with kicks/cc in the intermission is even more nuts tho ngl

[shrewd lantern]

i mean

[keen dome]

It is and isn't because it requires the tanks to be able to position adds properly and the boss. 4 DPS to understand swaps and not arrive early + people with madness to arrive properly. And then the intermission kicks.

[shrewd lantern]

track kicks in m+

[keen dome]

Intermission is the single biggest wipe point for pugs

[shrewd lantern]

and why are you surprised

[keen dome]

You seriously need a DK in both groups 'cos ranged cannot be trusted to kick the far add.

[shrewd lantern]

yk

im surprised if i see a caster with more than 5 kicks in a keystone

[wild vine]

I hope you felt sad whole writing that

[shrewd lantern]

so checks out

[wild vine]

Because I certainly did while reading it

[keen dome]

I did. It's such dumb design.

[wild vine]

Oh no, I mean the ranged cant be trusted with a simple task part

[keen dome]

Boss is melting this reset though. My first kill we went to about 49% before intermission. This reset he was down at like 44% haha

[shrewd lantern]

you cannot trust ranged dps

[wild vine]

Grips being great is good imo, even if 2 is too much tbh

[shrewd lantern]

to kick ever

bffr

[keen dome]

Constant fight design being built around DK's abilities is silly, though. It's a utility, but it has become mandatory for certain content which is silly.

Also in pugs you need more than 1 'cos having 1 means he won't grip

just invite 6 dks'

[dry flame]

I complained to @keen dome last night.
We were having boss at 40% end of p1 yesterday and people couldn't kick for the life of em.

The one time they kicked, I had 40% of the dmg on the big add (we didn't kill it) and most of all, healer dispells took 10sec or more each time, so massive downtime

[keen dome]

Yeah..

[wild vine]

But they said they want it to be like a raid buff right?
I think having one that makes something easier is alright

It just shouldnt get to the point where you want 2 or more

[shrewd lantern]

i'd buy crypto before trusting a caster player to press interrupt once

in 30 minutes

[keen dome]

Yeah, I suppose so. I think what's frustrating is it's on a single class as utility. Something like that should be on a few others imho. But, yeah. One is fine.

It's just Chim design specifically merits having 2 'cos you want one in each realm.

[wild vine]

Yeah and thats not great

Tho tbh

We had the dks grab the close adds

And rangeds kick the far adds

Just because I hate rangeds

[keen dome]

Yeah, that's how it should be done.

[wild vine]

[keen dome]

But lol pugs.

[outer orchid]

give rogue a grip but its only for outlaw and its a hook on a chain
oh wait

[keen dome]

Shadowstepping and kicking the add about to cast does feel great.

[wild vine]

The only outlaw exclusive thing they add should be instant character deletion if you spec into it

[keen dome]

they should bring back cannon barrage

[outer orchid]

make killing spree a mandatory cd if you want to do any damage

[shrewd lantern]

anyone else remember how dks went on twitter

[wild vine]

Hell no

[shrewd lantern]

about how grip isnt a raid buff

[outer orchid]

and then add DFA not as a pvp talent

[shrewd lantern]

now they just required

on alot of bosses

yeah me too

[keen dome]

Hell yes

[wild vine]

Cannon barrage is everything that made me hate outlaw

[keen dome]

Yeah, and then Hunter was sat on DimmyD and they got a baller raid buff.

(Although I do not know if those are directly related. It could've been in the pipeline for a while)

[wild vine]

The whole "lets make it a fucking pirate" blasted it to oblivion for me

Me liking burst profiles aside

[keen dome]

They feel more like a sauve highwayman now

With gambling problems

(gambling on a good tank route)

[dry flame]

We had Bribe too (outlaw)

[keen dome]

I dream of rogue tank. Let me solve my own problems.

[glacial eagle]

good, in a couple more expacs we will finish the long road from bandit to pirate to cowboy

[dry flame]

4 specs,
Make outlaw tank,
Smuggler heal spec

[glacial eagle]

just like real life outlaws

[shrewd lantern]

ima be real

[keen dome]

Nah, Outlaw should stay as it is. People like Outlaw. I don't want them unleashed on the world.

[outer orchid]

your version of an active defensive is to force the mobs to play a game of dice
if you win
they die
if they lose
you die

[shrewd lantern]

my enjoyment of tank spiked immensely once i stopped trying to save people who blow cds on a gather

and just let them die

intentionally

[keen dome]

https://tenor.com/view/you-all-say-that-gif-10623566

[shrewd lantern]

one time i was playing brm and a ret blew his wings early

[keen dome]

this is the way to do it, imo.

[shrewd lantern]

so i ropped the pack into him

instead

[keen dome]

A good buddy phrased it as "the DPS need to be polite" when the tank is gathering

and I really like that phrase

[shrewd lantern]

its always

the rets

i swear

[keen dome]

It's gonna be Devourers in patch

Which is fitting for DH's to once again immediately blow up on the first AA pull, drop a slur, and ragequit the key

[shrewd lantern]

how do you even do that

as non melee

also meld

[keen dome]

Watch them do it

with the 150% damage buff

[shrewd lantern]

like i genuinely dont get how you pull threat on ranged

and dont just walk away

or keep distance

as a precaution

[keen dome]

because they're busy typing "tank???" or "AGGRO" in chat

[shrewd lantern]

its up there with people who i attack in pvp

and they just backpedal

.....

yeah that'll help

[outer orchid]

my friend was going to tank this season on an alt
his first 3 keys were met with people ripping aggro, dying to the mobs they aggro'd, then flaming him in chat for not having aggro during gather
he no longer is playing tank and abandoned the character

[keen dome]

And we wonder why there's a tank shortage

[shrewd lantern]

i just link the dps meter

and show them below the tank

[keen dome]

Your damage can wait 5 seconds buddy, the mobs aren't going anywhere!

[outer orchid]

then they will just claim its because they die when you dont hold aggro

[shrewd lantern]

yk when i played havoc and blew my load early

i always ws ready

to preblur

or meld

[outer orchid]

"i used my damage cds and you let me die"

[shrewd lantern]

[outer orchid]

well maybe you shouldn't do that

[keen dome]

lmao

[shrewd lantern]

its never the peolpe who actually do alot of damage

[keen dome]

Ye, I'm always ready to vanish or evasion if I fuck up

[outer orchid]

i've had my fair share of forgetting to tricks
so many health pots down the drain

[shrewd lantern]

like 90% of time people use the "i was doing mechanics" excuse doesnt work

in non mythic raid content

imo

[keen dome]

I hate tricks and keep forgetting to use it

[outer orchid]

well let me introduce you

to a hero talent

to solve your problems

[keen dome]

Let me rephease it

[outer orchid]

for an hour

[keen dome]

I hate tricks and purposefully keep forgetting to use it

[outer orchid]

agreed

[shrewd lantern]

i use to tricks ret paladins

[outer orchid]

LOL

[shrewd lantern]

right before my prism sectech

[keen dome]

lmao

I have been using it in ChimM just 'cos it helps bad tanks

[shrewd lantern]

or like

[keen dome]

But in M+ I just run blackjack

[shrewd lantern]

i used to do it on dev evokers

as they deepbreathed in

[outer orchid]

pffft

that's so evil

[shrewd lantern]

my one complaint about voidspire

not enough ledges to swapblast people off

[keen dome]

Agree

[shrewd lantern]

i literally got one person every boss

in mfo

[outer orchid]

neural silencer my beloved

[shrewd lantern]

well using jaina locket on lock closets is still fine

and watching people rage at the mage

over a northrend portal

[keen dome]

lmao

That's a good idea

I gotta start making use of it

[shrewd lantern]

for some reason it worked in the cooking pvp brawl

[keen dome]

never leave home without your teleports