subtlety

[hollow island]

what is the best way to sim for aoe? i have myth puzzle box in vault but always sims lower than hero guidon for me. currently at about 650 haste

[errant hearth]

Hey I have mythic crafted weapon and belt. Do i craft my lowest slot now and put arcanoweave on it or do i keep my darkmoon sigil hunt? i dont see anything about 3rd craft info for wrists

[frail bone]

So im assuming the sims are not update to the new pins, that being said im currently running the novice neck(276), I can reach the 800 bp if I swap back to the low ilvl alleria's neck(263). is that going to be worht the mastery drop?

[lyric thorn]

So, im trying to sim these new findings on DS, and i got to 1,1k haste, but haste is still significantly better, atleast according to the sim, than other stats? do we just keep going with haste or whats the play here

[north schooner]

"sorry guys I died trying to grab a vessel soul"

[fiery fog]

transmitter flashbacks

[north schooner]

imagine creating antenna and thinking "hey I can make a more annoying version of this"

at least transmitter was on-use

this shit is permajail

[native zodiac]

transmitter

[frail bone]

so are we looking at running double haste rings rather then a crit mastery now? with the haste changes?

[fiery fog]

if youre willing to torture yourself and play deathstalker just get to the haste breakpoint somehow and put everything else in crit/mastery as always

[warm marlin]

im sure this will be playable on alleria

[raw frost]

what is the sweet spot for haste in %

?

[fiery fog]

ah yes, i love blue circles on blue surfaces while everything blue is flying everywhere

its magmorax all over again

[frail bone]

I mean DS for single target but I have been unlucky with he guidon rolls thus far so hitting that 800 without the 6% mastery loss would be nice.

6% swapping from novice to alleria neck.

[thorn sundial]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[open vortex]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[upbeat sorrel]

is this too much haste

should i just reroll DK

[vocal torrent]

thats a good amount of haste

[upbeat sorrel]

ok we hold off on rerolling DK

[vocal torrent]

[tidal solstice]

tuning happens. play what you like

[upbeat sorrel]

has anyone considered crafting legs or is that a bozo move

[fiery fog]

i crafted legs

[hazy breach]

Just buy a mythic boe

[tepid trellis]

i bought the BoE

xD

[fiery fog]

im not rich enough

3.6 mil on my server

we actually dropped a mythic boe with haste mastery

[spice matrix]

I bought mythic boe today

[fiery fog]

but i had crafted ones already

:(

[spice matrix]

Buy it on another server

[fiery fog]

i aint paying a dime for a 0.2% increase

[spice matrix]

[fiery fog]

depending on my vault tomorrow (im going to have a mythic gaze in it 100%) i will either craft ring or back i guess

and then pump some numbers for mythic alleria

[grizzled cosmos]

whats the 'proper' way to aoe as sub? just max combo point spam black powder?

[upbeat sorrel]

Damn y'all got it like that buying mythic boe's

Maybe I should level more alts to raid lead mythic dreamrifts and gdkp the gaze if I win it

Can surely fund some boe's with that

[fiery fog]

dreamrift doesnt drop boes

and if you gatekeep any items in a boost you are most likely getting banned from that boosting community

[upbeat sorrel]

I'll just win the roll and ethically trade it to the highest bidder

[radiant swift]

have a quick question regarding cps - i seem to land pretty often on 5, is this normal?

kinda annoying if next finisher would be bte so i need another strike

[wintry heart]

No you should delete your character

[radiant swift]

see

nvm

[fiery fog]

5 isnt 6+ so just build again

what you can do is wait and fish for a sht proc to get to 6 before

like you have 0 sht stacks and are at 4cp
a backstab would get you to 5 cp and youd need to do another backstab
you just wait at 4cp until you get 1 sht proc and backstab after to get to 6 cp

[upbeat sorrel]

delete character and reroll dk is also an option

[fiery fog]

consequently if youre at 3 cp you need 2 sht procs

[wintry heart]

Also is this meant for outlaw

[fiery fog]

reroll devourer you mean

[radiant swift]

i see so its fine then i guess

[radiant swift]

it was but i missed the channel

[fiery fog]

i have 0 clue about outlaw

[wintry heart]

Okay then definitely delete your character

[fiery fog]

so yeah reroll dk

[gilded ferry]

monk is always fun to play

its been my alt for ages

plus you skip queues as tank

[radiant swift]

t f u mean i have no clue

[oak hearth]

heart of wind 700 dps increase over puzzle box and ranger cap's insignia in dslice tf?

and the insignia is 276

[fiery fog]

you are asking about outlaw stuff in a sub channel

[oak hearth]

i jsut take socket surely right

[fiery fog]

idk what outlaw does

fk outlaw

[radiant swift]

u are for sure multi spec freak

[fiery fog]

i have been playing sub only since DF
only when sub is really ass i play assa against my will

[wintry heart]

Woah are you tryna kiss

[fiery fog]

i want to cite stealthi in regards to what i think about outlaw:

i sleep to wake up to make fun of outlaw
i play sub to make fun of outlaw
i eat so i can think of more content to make fun of outlaw
i make fun of outlaw cuz they are target capped
i play sub cuz it isnt target capped
i enjoy assa more than outlaw cuz it has a better version of Flurry
i make fun of outlaw cuz it will never be meta in raid
i play sub cuz it will always be meta in raid
there was gonna be a point 9 but outlaw cant reach that many

[radiant swift]

me Noooo - unless? but no, unless?

[fallow nimbus]

That's because your offhand is trash and worse than a blue rare mob dagger

[oak hearth]

i know

send help

i use a spark to craft a new one fr

[wintry heart]

Just go buy one dawg

I bet an adventurer BOE dagger sims higher

[fallow nimbus]

Don't craft a 2nd dagger

OH is just a stat stick and only needs a dagger because sht isn't normalised

[oak hearth]

true

i hate little number tho

maybe i get conquest dagger or smth

[chrome palm]

🚬

big brew for lura

it might be the play

[alpine wraith]

big cope

[hazy breach]

It was like +-0 in sims when i checked

[steel zinc]

Gl getting 1.1k haste

[chrome palm]

i just wanted to drop wm for crystal damage

[steel zinc]

You got aliaria neck?

[chrome palm]

this champion alleria neck has been with me through the worst of times

[steel zinc]

Lol 😂

[vocal torrent]

the alleria legs got some nice haste too

[chrome palm]

yeah...

those would be nice for sure

i wonder what this build sims for 3t

compared to trickster

[vocal torrent]

I got this from a box last week so that was cool

[tepid trellis]

not great

[steel zinc]

Basically 0 DMG

[vocal torrent]

poor mans alleria neck

[opal basalt]

except alleria neck is inverted

big haste, little mastery

[fiery fog]

them alleria legs

[crystal atlas]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/93Wic5E6fwDk4DNiTUR6s1 Not sure about the sim GV was garbo figure I would want more Mastery/Haste instead of crit haste. Thoughts?

[graceful terrace]

are we able to use CDs on open for heroic beloren and have them for egg?

[alpine wraith]

depends if your team holds or not

if they dont you're cooked

[teal coral]

holy I'm free

[graceful terrace]

the 100

[alpine wraith]

big

[graceful terrace]

imagine it tied

[teal coral]

we've only seen one in heroic/mythic from guild runs

and now we don't do heroic anymore

had to go pug that shit

[lilac stag]

The sub arc begins eh?

[chrome palm]

is there much reason to play sub whispyr?

[lilac stag]

yeah it’s not assa

[teal coral]

just for the burst aoe mostly

[iron imp]

Rogue mentioned in recent poddy C. Now we recieve dev attention for sure

[teal coral]

like I'll probably play it early in lura prog just to help adds

same with alleria

[chrome palm]

sub unfortunately does very little on lura adds i think

[teal coral]

in p1?

[chrome palm]

yes

[teal coral]

it lines up and cranks like hell

[chrome palm]

i can attest it is near the bottom with warrior

and im holding everything for it

[teal coral]

[chrome palm]

supercharged nimble+secret

[lilac stag]

Don’t mind messer, he’s been anti sub since prepatch. Trying to live the outlaw life.

[chrome palm]

im just saying

[teal coral]

I mean i've been anti sub for a while

but it's still fun

[chrome palm]

its other classes carrying crystals

sub just helps a little bit

and not much

[teal coral]

yeh

assa does straight nothing

nice to have at least

[chrome palm]

trvke

[lilac stag]

how far in prog are you now @teal coral

[teal coral]

alleria this week

hopefully bird

guild kinda threw last week with paladins but I'm not in

so

[vestal fog]

Thought i was in the assa channel for a second seeing whispyr writing haha

[teal coral]

got 2 weeks off

erm

2 days off

[fierce wigeon]

Did mythic and heroic chim, then heroic gaze in vault instead of mythic version 🙁

Lucky then unucky

[exotic steeple]

i have a bad habit of praying on peoples key depletion if they do not accept me into their group

[wintry heart]

Wdym king this is goated behavior

[mint swift]

I wonder what that is

Given a name like that
(Just a stupid idea i had lmao)

[grizzled cosmos]

650 haste before guidon correct?

[sullen hare]

Closer to 700 iirc

[stable ruin]

Do i hold Shadowblades for puzzle? or do i just send puzzle

[spring viper]

Might be a dumb question but simming my vault, i have a pair of mythic pants and myth dagger. I have simmed this a bunch of ways and the pants always come out on top by a lot. Both my current dagger and pants are heroic and what archon.gg says are BIS. I just find it hard to believe that the pants are simming so much higher lol

[sullen hare]

In ST?

[stable ruin]

Yes

[warm marlin]

your main hand dagger is heroic?

[sullen hare]

Probs bobs wanna hold puzzy-b until your 3:00 CD window

[upbeat sorrel]

!ss

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spring viper]

main hand is crafted, off hand is hungring victory heroic

[upbeat sorrel]

is there a ! command for shadowstrike/shuriken bp/evis conditions

[warm marlin]

offhand slot is really really low value, 285 to 289 mainhand isnt a huge jump while pants are a high value slot

[spring viper]

ok, that makes more sense, first season maining a 2-handed class.

[warm marlin]

it depends on the spec but for sub offhand is the worst slot, worse than cloak/bracers

having a 289 weapon is good long term though, can always craft pants

[spring viper]

we are goping to start mythic raid this week I think so hopefully that opens up the door for more drops, been doing 13 keys, at this point everything is incremental

[queen plinth]

So the Sub faqs say to cast Shadowblades during Dance but i was told earlier to cast blades first then Dance

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter which order you do them in

[queen plinth]

@dry flame

[hazy breach]

What matters is that you want to use guidon before dance

Around 1 second earlier

[short radish]

@tribal blade https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-achievements-and-rewards-coming-to-mythic-in-patch-12-0-5-381231

LOCK IN. P*SH WEEK IS BACK ON THE MENU

[tribal blade]

OF COURSE WHEN I DECIDE TO STOP PUSHING

i'm not pushing hah

fuck that

i have nothing left to prove

4 titles

i'm good

[short radish]

yeah but

mounts

who cares about titles

what are you gonna do

change your title every 5 seconds

thats kinda cringe

now mounting up with a new mount every time

thats pogging champion

[queen plinth]

I i use a macro and a potion is in it but its on cd will the macro skip the potion or just not work

[wintry heart]

Tbh only 16s are needed for this

[tribal blade]

STAHHHPPPP

[tribal blade]

isn't it top 1%

not just 3400

3400 is fine i can do that, that's piss easy

[tribal blade]

why are people telling me there's one for top 1%

[random mason]

There is title for 1%

But mount for static 3400(this season)

[short radish]

wasnt old title 0.1%?

not 1%

[fierce wigeon]

Is death stalker bugs fixed? But damn 1.1k haste is nuts

[hazy breach]

Old title still exists

[hazy breach]

Theres 2 of them

[warm marlin]

top 1% historically isnt too high io

it is around 3400 right?

or a bit less

[random mason]

Rn it is

Might go up quite a bit still

[tribal blade]

it's like 3440 right now or something

[random mason]

Esp with new rewards

[warm marlin]

ye but this season is a bit inflated relatively

[hazy breach]

Was 3.6k last season

[tribal blade]

i think it'll be like ~200-300 points below cutoff

so like -3 key levels

[random mason]

Yeah but its also gonna go higher bc a good amount of ppl care about (cool) mounts

[tribal blade]

that would actually be pretty chill to get

yeah title is about to get even more inflated

[hazy breach]

Going of previous seasons it seems to be ~350 rating below 0.1%

[random mason]

Like if its sick i might want to get it and id never consider going for 0.1% title

[teal coral]

I doubt you could get 5 titles tbh

4 titles probably were in easy seasons

lets be real

[tribal blade]

you son of a bitch

AHHHHH

MY FOMOOOO

[dark mural]

Is their a general key level comparison to years past? Like a 15 key last exp is a x lvl key in midnight

[hallow mortar]

pin is crazy

are we deathstalker or what

[short radish]

especially with all the access to addons before

[crystal atlas]

Does this sim look alright going for crit hast? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpBkJMMuApFqZ6PLzrxzER

[short radish]

game basically played for itself

tells you when to kick

tells you when you need to defensive

now is when the true challenge is

[hallow mortar]

1100 haste how do even get that

[short radish]

phials and food help

i can get 1.2k mastery on my shaman

[teal coral]

like this

(I would have to re-gem my shit but believe me)

[short radish]

sub whispyr feels really weird to see

i dont like it

[lilac stag]

TURN OFF THE DISCORD

[lilac stag]

He is purple

[hallow mortar]

i will wait till its proven in logs before i go full yolo on it 😄

but im on assa prison now aynway

[queen plinth]

Ok for a raid boss opener i should pop potion shadowstep Shadowstrike then Blades then Dance/Sectec correct?

[dire ravine]

Is there a priority for superchargers?
IE Sectech>Coup>BP>Evis?

[tepid trellis]

get 70 more and play DS

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/will-wood-tomcat-disposables-will-wood-and-the-tapeworms-ww-wwatt-gif-8926779610395273791

[tepid trellis]

trust xD

[teal coral]

I might play it in reclear today for funsies and then get backseated by some sweatlords and swap back to sin because it'll ruin my vibe

[hazy breach]

No reason to pot before blades

[lilac stag]

Sectech > whatever

[short radish]

raaaaah APEX raaaaaah pooling

[tepid trellis]

when you raiding?

in how long?

[teal coral]

1:12

[hallow mortar]

i can wait one minute 12 seconds

[teal coral]

I will not be topping any logs

[lilac stag]

@teal coral who did you put up to posting the assa rogue boss dmg bait wowhead article this morning?

[teal coral]

I don't assign those I'm afraid

[lilac stag]

it was hilarious and amazing. comments didn’t disappoint.

[crystal atlas]

any feed back for that sim?

[short radish]

remember on saladbar. save sdance+sectech for small adds after finishing first burn. People will call it pad but someone has to kill the adds

[lilac stag]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[fiery fog]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[short radish]

gotta update this to 800 now

[lilac stag]

We at grandpa status ?

[fiery fog]

800 is only without guidon

[teal coral]

@tepid trellis uhoh

[fiery fog]

gamers are safe

[lilac stag]

don’t be a shitter without guidon

[short radish]

my paladin has gotten guidon twice now in vault

🙂

fuck my chungus life

[lilac stag]

pink rogue it is

[short radish]

it's not even good for ret!

[hallow mortar]

what a vault again

you are special

[lilac stag]

Did it light up? Press it.

[teal coral]

NO MAN WHY DOES NONE OF THIS SHIT HAVE HASTE

AAAAAAAAAA

[short radish]

oh no he's doing it

[tepid trellis]

ds time, just a lil low on mastery there bud

[teal coral]

beggars can't be choosers

wait I missed a gem

[tepid trellis]

what about oils?

[tepid trellis]

u got them fuckers on

[teal coral]

okay banger

yeah this is with oil + flask

[lilac stag]

the good news is no matter what you do for stats, you’re still a rogue doing shit all compared to real dps

[teal coral]

-1% using oils to get +4% playing ds

[tepid trellis]

whispyr ahead of the curve of the single target sub build

[teal coral]

what a day to be alive

[lilac stag]

Show Sectech CD

[short radish]

nah man this 4% increase is gonna make us really pull ahead to bottom of middle of the pack

[short radish]

[fiery fog]

17????

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-brooklyn-ninenine-b99-smile-gif-11928987

Now ask for PI

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/big-chungus-shocked-excited-gif-15353530

[teal coral]

what if I take first dance

[hazy breach]

Spec first dance

[hazy breach]

Pop a secondary stat potion

[teal coral]

oh yeah baby

[hazy breach]

With guidon up

[teal coral]

wait true

[short radish]

wait

what

[teal coral]

lemme get a reck

[hallow mortar]

that adanabtute sharpening stone is still a thing for sub?

[tepid trellis]

xD

[short radish]

16 second dance?

[hazy breach]

Bro is thinking too small

[short radish]

stop please, the doctor said i shouldn't get this erect

[teal coral]

I'll pull up the stream eleem I gotchu

[tepid trellis]

already there

lock in

[hazy breach]

Bro really clickbaiting me

Smh my head

[lilac stag]

Have you not experienced popping guidon and getting full on haste secondary pot?

[short radish]

i have not.

[hazy breach]

It doesnt sim good

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-prince-bling-shaking-my-head-disagreeing-gif-17915963460009652991

[hazy breach]

But the dance is long

[short radish]

[warm marlin]

18 second dance

[fallow glade]

19.6 !!!!

[tepid trellis]

19.6

[shadow ivy]

HOLY

[fiery fog]

one dance two sectec

holy shit

[shadow ivy]

Insanely funny

[hazy breach]

You almost cap on shadowdance charges too

If you had a few more percentages to have it longer than 20s

[lilac stag]

Perhaps this is the tech that takes us out of the bottom 3. SURELY IT HELPS OUR CLEAVE

[tepid trellis]

thats the closest i can get

[random mason]

Hidden Perma shadow dance build

[lilac stag]

Shoulda been engineers

Full haste boots and bracers

add the helm this week

[pastel geyser]

stop telling me to get more haste

[short radish]

WE GOTTA GO FASTER

[pastel geyser]

y'all trust your entire thought process to clankers

[lilac stag]

Imagine the sht stacks with skyfury and PI

[lilac stag]

Robot has been retired this tier. We’re now PAWN and ask Mr Robot gamers.

[brisk onyx]

[fallow glade]

got your pawn right here

[teal coral]

@hazy breach maybe we don't reck

-3k

[hazy breach]

Yeah its not good at all

[short radish]

sometimes its about sending a message

[teal coral]

if I secondary feast I'm at 1167

DON'T LOOK AT MASTERY

[hazy breach]

Put a point from improved sectech into finality

[teal coral]

no shot

[brisk onyx]

so we have any new tech now?

[uncut hinge]

I have raid in 20 minutes is this a manic episode or is it real?

[teal coral]

yeah okay bud

sure

[pastel geyser]

the new tech is to install the wow MCP for claude desktop and let it play for you

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal this simply cannot be real

this is our 9th agi polearm

[fallow glade]

its a group hallucination

[teal coral]

I mean

it is 4%

eleem not kiddin around

bro knows his numbers

[bleak night]

he can count to 4

[tepid trellis]

thats my DS sim

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

Now add Panda

[tepid trellis]

and i cant hit 1100 haste

[lilac stag]

Using +2 SC or base apl

[tepid trellis]

base

[lilac stag]

big panda stonks

[tepid trellis]

made it go higher

[teal coral]

I can't reach

[tepid trellis]

just wait i get +1.5k in vault when mythic gaze is in there

trust

[queen plinth]

Ok for some reason im using the Dance/sectec macro and even though sectec is off cd is doesnt always work it casts dance but not sectec

[hazy breach]

Its because you are currently on global cooldown

you have to wait to cast it until you are not

aka dont press a button right before pressing the macro

[queen plinth]

Seems hard because im trying to max my combo points before dance/sectexc

[sullen hare]

WHATCHA PUSHIN BUD?

https://www.twitch.tv/gromnak/clip/HedonisticBelovedRavenPeteZaroll-47M96U7k10lmXzI7

[short radish]

He types, "it's push week". "It's push week" and then they kicked him out of the guild. Fucking dogshit entitled M+ players, dude. Holy! Nobody cares about your push week, you dogshit M+er. Braindead! Unless you're winning the fucking MDI, who are you? What is your push week doing? Stupid motherfucker. "My push week!" Whatcha pushing bud? Whatcha pushing bud? You're not pushing shit. You competing with JPC and fucking Echo and all that? No, you're not dude. You're not. You're just some dogshit survival hunter playing flavor of the month, you're dropping all the bombs, your screen's lighting up, you're mashing your fucking buttons, and then you're saying "push week!" Holy shit, get pushed out of the guild you stupid fuck.

[sullen hare]

You had that in text from somewhere and I gotta say I respect the hell outta that

[delicate moss]

he pasted so we could copy bless

[short radish]

i also h ave the overtime ones if you want them

[tepid trellis]

my best simming DS setup right now, cant really get closer

[pulsar hemlock]

Is this with haste flask?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[hallow mortar]

i can get to 1170 haste but its only 1.8% gain over trickster

[short radish]

so what you're saying is.... we need to swap to panda

[pulsar hemlock]

I'd rather quit wow

[hallow mortar]

i did recently, wasnt bad

had some nice mental reset

[tepid trellis]

dont bad mouth em

[warm marlin]

8 total kills across splits and one gaze

[lilac stag]

You should be hitting nothing 2-4 seconds before dance off you did it right to get sht stacks

[tepid trellis]

its the same for me lol

[warm marlin]

we have 4 total in our raid

its insane

[tepid trellis]

im stuck with this

my split keeps getting nothing

[warm marlin]

2 normals, one H, one mythic

across 3 heroic splits, 2 norm splits, 4 myth splits

and 0 plumes either

we are just drowning in renown trinkets

[tepid trellis]

my rogue aint doing too hot

[fiery fog]

my alt that hasnt done any mythic raidingis only 2 ilvls lower than my main

my main "only" got 2 myth items from raid

[hallow mortar]

i got one 😛

[fiery fog]

277 and 275

still running around with rep trinket

bring shame to guild or something

[plush pilot]

I probably need to take H Voidsong Chain over mythic m+ gear hey? Especially if taking it puts me over 700 haste

[lilac stag]

recraft haste mastery to crit mastery if need be

[vagrant sinew]

sounds like youre itemizing wrong without the neck

[tepid trellis]

My dh split rat has better trinkets than my main

[grave cove]

Almost fully mythic ilvl is...bad? Wtf?

[tepid trellis]

i do not

[fiery fog]

289 is myth

[wintry heart]

My brother I’m 265

[fiery fog]

10 ilvls are a lot

[vagrant sinew]

youre in previous reset with a champ gaze larper

[lilac stag]

wasted on yellow class

[tepid trellis]

bro if i had something better i would

yeh

but my splits keep giving me fuck all

[grave cove]

I guess if M12+ is your avg then sure I guess 279 is bad lol

[hallow mortar]

everytime i try to sim myself for some upgrade its just downgrade my haste, its getting old and boring

[tepid trellis]

id quite like a mythic gaze before bird prog saturday

[warm marlin]

we prob go bird today

[vagrant sinew]

yes but advance and fsy are 280.5 average so if your trinket was atleast hc youd literally be same ilvl

[plush pilot]

im on 705 haste with the neck, too much haste now?

[hallow mortar]

i saw your HOF for alleria pop on my realm for some reason stealthi

during sunday i think

[tepid trellis]

id be higher

i dont have my max ilvl equipped

cuz of haste

[lilac stag]

still rocking the base crafts

[uncut hinge]

what reduces sectec cd?

[tepid trellis]

haste + a trickster talent

that + haste

[hallow mortar]

cant wait to wake up tommoroow and see all the deathstalker logs

[tepid trellis]

well it still sucks for cleave dmg

so probs wont do too hot

[wintry heart]

DS could be 10% better and I’m not playing it

[hallow mortar]

i feel like its better play assa if you dont care about any add dmg

[tepid trellis]

well sub should do more boss dmg if you just tunnel boss

on paper

[hallow mortar]

i see some assa logs popping up here and there, it wont be long until its full assa season

[silver hearth]

Two questions: Are sims saying the same thing or should we ignore them? And two, does this change the BiS section of the guide and if so has it been updated?

[lilac stag]

We don’t do BiS here

[silver hearth]

We kind of do, even the weaker versions of BiS section are putting me at good breakpoints with oils and haste enchant on rings

[tepid trellis]

also likely wont be the recommended thing to play

as it does 0 cleave

[lilac stag]

We don’t. Get a guidon. Get haste to 700

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[tepid trellis]

in a raid filled with cleave

[silver hearth]

I need a guidon 🙁

[lilac stag]

you also kinda want crit dmg enchant on rings.

[warm marlin]

its too bad i couldnt get the haste for ds before raid

my boss damage gaming is so fun

[silver hearth]

yeah unless you can't hit the haste breakpoints without them

[lilac stag]

get better gear

[silver hearth]

get better mental

[lilac stag]

my mental is fine thanks.

way to jump to personal attacks

[plush pilot]

man i love rogue community

[grave cove]

How much diff in dps would you say 10ilvls does? 5k? 10k? I genuinely dno

[plush pilot]

im slow af, and asking a question on here gets a reply in like 2 secs, too good

[grave cove]

700 is the ideal amount I believe

[silver hearth]

Do we know how much of a dps increase neck is or is it negligible?

whoops didnt mean to reply

sorry

[grave cove]

Which neck? Just any neck piece in general?

[silver hearth]

the one from the last boss with the shadow dmg

from voidspire*

[grave cove]

Oh yeah that does seem pretty good

Esp for us

Only for us? Dno if it rolls int but if it does, seems great for shadow priest

[lilac stag]

Dmg is just free. It a very small boost, but worth if you can get it.

[crystal atlas]

Any reason why sim tells me to RC to Crit haste and not haste mast?

[lilac stag]

You need haste and not mastery?

[silver hearth]

Simming for st or dungeon slice?

[crystal atlas]

ST

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpBkJMMuApFqZ6PLzrxzER

[silver hearth]

If you take a look at the guide, for ST we want a significant amount of crit whereas in AoE scenarios we do not

[crystal atlas]

Alright look at some logs saw some Rogues with nearly 1k mastery so wasnt sure

on like Voracius

[unreal ledge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

my sim has me about that for st

600/700/1100 full buffed

i do have renown trinket still though biggie crit

[crystal atlas]

575/708/877 for me

same

[jade oasis]

before i wastte my time

are we anywhere on the notes

[crystal atlas]

Would it change probably with seer and guidon

[jade oasis]

any rogue spec

[terse dirge]

we don't need to apply ancient arts for sec tech right? i think i read something somewhere that it doesnt work the same for tech?

[tepid trellis]

you dont force it on sectech no

[terse dirge]

what is the reason again?

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

its only calculated on the physical hit of sectech

not the whole thing

[strange chasm]

wait running DS on bel

you think is better egg damage than sin

Sin seems to be doing pre decent

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hoary orchid]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[strange shore]

are we yoloing puzzle box trinket in M+ or just holding it for SB?

[lucid jackal]

I think sub is just better if u mega optimize for it

tbqh

with pbox and such

@warm marlin Is this lowkey cloak, or a socket btw

I got mythic helmet from 1st boss

so I'd lose 20 crests on that potentially but

[strange shore]

copy that

[lucid jackal]

Socket is kinda nuts

[warm marlin]

idk socket seems good

[lucid jackal]

Its either that or the cloak

[short radish]

cloak drops 1st boss though

[lucid jackal]

I have so much myth gear to upgrade

[short radish]

if youre swimming in gear and not crests, even less reason to take cloak right?

[drifting fable]

I just checked the new pin

☠️

[lucid jackal]

My opinion is that its larp

And the playstyle sucks

[drifting fable]

bro like ur not catching me with 1100 haste

like

who wanted this

can we go back to vers stacking

I beg

[short radish]

i miss vers

vers my beloved

[drifting fable]

id take shadowdust over this

[lucid jackal]

its lowkey not that hard

double haste on craft

haste flask

and then like, chimerus belt

[tidal solstice]

we have 4 crafts now

QUAD HASTE

send

it

[livid cape]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[copper lava]

Does a sword offhand for sub make a difference?

[wary turtle]

light vanguard boss do we black powder or evis primarily?

[lucid jackal]

u bp on 2 or more targets

[short radish]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[novel palm]

is there a reason the liquid sim setups for talents do not take improved secret technique?

its the 1 target sim, but still

[lucid jackal]

Hn?

Deathstalker doesn't take the sectec cdr

ID killed

[strange chasm]

how many pulls

1000?

[novel palm]

oh

[lucid jackal]

312

[grave cove]

I have Champ track Guidon/Gaze so should I still pass on Prism? Tbh I only see Prism or socket as the choice this week

Every sim I did said Guidon is better except for dungeon slice

[undone cliff]

Does having Guidon mess with haste values we want? Sims are telling me to drop down to around 602, drop some mastery and up my crit. Am I suppose to blindly follow sims?

[grave cove]

You ideally want 700 haste with Guidon. 800 without

New pin has more info

[undone cliff]

Thank you for pointing it out. I will try to adjust gear to get most mastery while pushing for 700 haste after flask/oils

I am also taking this as confirmation to not blindly trust sims 🙂

[grave cove]

Yeah it's tough to trust sims for me too

[random mason]

subtlety do low damage (“精妙”专精的伤害较低) get 700 haste from stats (通过属性面板获取 700 点急速) perecent does not matter (百分比数值并不重要) robot needs less haste than dad with 3 kids (机器人所需的急速比那位带着三个孩子的“老爸”要少)
enjoy bench (“老爸”要少)

[grave cove]

Yeah what he said

[undone cliff]

Could not read most. Ignoring

[grave cove]

Yeah it was a joke lol

[undone cliff]

I only push AOTC so bench is not a worry lol

[undone cliff]

I figured lol

[random mason]

If you can play perfectly without input lag you can drop to 600 haste

[undone cliff]

I'm old. I can't get anything perfect 🙂

[dire ravine]

Any log reviewers in the chat? 😄

[undone cliff]

Thanks again for the insight and pointing out new pin

[short radish]

normally you can, it's just been this patch/change with how haste works that you can't

[random mason]

It working off of rating and not percentage really sucks

[lilac stag]

chat the tier is over

[plush roost]

in a sea of tricky fucks... there was one purple man

its lit

[short radish]

[frail bone]

what boss lol

[plush roost]

Voracious

[steel wyvern]

should i play sin on light

or just play sub lioke a chad

[plush roost]

just hit boss

[undone cliff]

Got to 704 (closest I could get without going way over) but my crit dipped pretty low. Should that matter?

Ah crap! I did that off gear not including oils. Oh well, questions still stands.

[still vector]

crit is always more than haste

[short radish]

no just get the breakpoint

[vale nebula]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Techniques cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dances duration only gets increased by Haste Rating from gear or consumables. When using an on-use haste trinket, make sure to use it a bit before Shadow Dance to get the extended duration.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[autumn garnet]

So this is the BIS cloak

I might be dumb but I'm not sure how to get that. It comes from the M+ but I thought those don't drop mythic level gear?

[twilit torrent]

Hey guys, super quick question. Does anyone know if numbing poison stacks with a warlocks curse of tongues?

[faint gorge]

do we use the mainstat gem or the mainstat+crit gem?

[warm marlin]

this gonna go hard in reclear next week when i can prep the ds tech

[grave cove]

Don't high lvl mythics drop mythic gear? I'd assume around 14 or higher?

[autumn garnet]

I was told they only come from the great vault

[grave cove]

Realllllllllyyyy

[fossil holly]

10+ cap out at 266 end of dungeon

and 272 Myth track in vault

[vale nebula]

how did you get this much haste?

[grave cove]

So I should really consider myth track gear in vault...good thing I've only got myth non-bis trinkets so far lol

[autumn garnet]

Ya, I pretty much always take the mythic option. I'm just a heroic raider so the only mythic gear I will see for now will be in my vault.

[fossil holly]

yea im trying to choose b/w heroic gaze trink and myth ring or cloak

trink is bis and hard to get but can prob get a mythic one later in season with voidforge or whatever it is

and dont wanna skip a week of filling a myth slot

[undone cliff]

I believe it is main stat gem

[novel palm]

mind numbing does not stack with curse

[placid coral]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JjD7YWQvmygbKXNn?fight=23&type=damage-done

Can someone help me out please

im the rogue. What am i doing wrong?

[queen plinth]

i got the macros working now with the GCD any tips yall https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yw81zBMck9fqDKdQ?type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&source=18

[lilac stag]

Use !log

[placid coral]

!log

[novel palm]

don't think you're doing anything wrong

you're just not padding

and doing prio target

[placid coral]

im so low on every fight

[novel palm]

your boss dam is a bit lower but duno if you had finicky uptime

this is my kill just now

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZzBdfAbHtqnVwPpa?fight=last&type=damage-done

[lucid jackal]

That trinket should be macro'd to everything

[placid coral]

im running guidon now post imperator

[novel palm]

guidon makes a massive difference in single target

[placid coral]

so maybe look at the vorasius or saladbar

[grave cove]

Guidon macro'd to EVERY ability? Why not just press it when you want to?

[lucid jackal]

No

the ranger general trinket

[grave cove]

Ahhhh got it

[novel palm]

xD

[lucid jackal]

He had this oen

[grave cove]

Oh damn it has outlaw's entire ability in it lol

[queen plinth]

I feel like i see everyone doing around 86k meanwhile im around 70

still parse blue but i gotta have a rotation flaw still

[placid coral]

okay im not running ranger captains anymore i have guidon macrod to shadow blades

[novel palm]

the only other thing is to make sure you pool for dances for SB

or your dances rather

[grave cove]

Is that what we wanna do? And cast dance seperately?

[vocal rock]

First boss NPX we got trapped with puddles everywhere, never seen that before, was that tank’s pathing choice with boss?

[wooden wagon]

!log

anyone able to look over my vorasious log?

[grave cove]

Is this macro "#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique" always worth using? Should I just use that as my normal secret technique or should I be choosing when to use dance?

Nvm it's not even working. It only casts ST...

[zenith hollow]

For the new guidon is it better than the old tech of waiting to squeeze supercharged sectech or just more reliable?

[lucid jackal]

last 8 is just consistent

and 0.1% worse

So just do that

[finite hedge]

Is that just straight boss dmg? I forgot to get the 1% buff at the start of the dungeon. Lol

[dry flame]

Vault pics inc

[dry flame]

thats juice

[ornate lake]

Is there a cast reset (or something like that) macro that I can spam that will cast guilidon first, and then it'll cast the CDs and pot after like 1s if I keep spamming it?

I remember assa had this last season to avoid spamming tea

[compact meadow]

when you get all the juice and you can't pick them all

[weak glade]

vorasius is a terrible boss lowk

[mental saffron]

were not sad about that one

[dusky yacht]

Shit man I'll take it and walk out smilin'

I had champ guidon

[zenith hollow]

Theres no easy way to add a sound trigger when 8 seconds left on blades is there?

[wintry heart]

Killed heroic chim for first time and got this, is it pretty good?

[dusky yacht]

I'd say this is pretty amazing no

I got champ alnseer and it sure as hell boosted my dps

[dry flame]

Hoped for Gaze, might be a socket @keen dome @dusky yacht

[swift tinsel]

already got legs?

[dry flame]

1st week boe myth

[swift tinsel]

ah nice

[dry flame]

not so nice now

[swift tinsel]

ye probs a socket week then

[dry flame]

took cloak, since mine was kinda shit

catalyze for some better stats

another month of Crucible trinket i guess

[quaint breach]

happy trinket barely edged the sim over wep

[dusky yacht]

Oof, I mean those legs are good yeah but that's really it isn't it

Sorry man

[still vector]

can someone explain why we wanted haste and now all my sims are saying get more mastery?

idk i could totally be messing up my sims but im confused

[sterile nacelle]

what are we picking, my sim says everything is equal except raid ring (0 - 0,1%) but I can't decide

[dense geode]

Does sim account for input latency

[short radish]

pretty sure answer is no

[dense geode]

so if im 665 haste it fake

[short radish]

new tech dropped

[gray wedge]

we go faster

got it

[short radish]

[rain swift]

ok guys what am i genuinly choosing, many good options

neck maybe? low drop on alleria but its only hero

[dry flame]

with haste flask i can reach it, DS inc?!

[still vector]

is that to my question?

[short radish]

no. the sim input latency thing

idk whats up with your sims

other than

[wintry heart]

Whats the website where I can link a log and figure out how my shadow dances were?

[frosty bramble]

Wowanalyzer?

[wintry heart]

ty ty

[odd knoll]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[dense geode]

is sub sim broken or some kind of 2nd haste break point its accounting for. I understand DS is 1100 but simming as trickster wouldnt affect that right

1 ring makes my droptimzer go from sub 500 dps to over 2.5k+ and the only thing I change is 1 ring

[plush roost]

Mostly, i did like a grand total of 200k to adds with powder, probably better spent just evis ngl

[wintry heart]

Didn’t realize the group into for first boss in heroic void was OCE and played it on 190 ping. Messed up like 6/10 dances. AMA

[coral bear]

I dont understand why the 2 ring from nexus aren't our bis, if it synergies with the void neck

Could someone explain?

[lilac stag]

we don’t care about bis

[eternal abyss]

I tried all possible options, but this cheeky cloak always comes on top.
Do I really pass on the Solar trinket or wait to kill Averzian and hope the RL gives me the cloak?
Whats my angle here?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gk4UkX1MZhL1pqpyzsa7gH

[lilac stag]

get guidon. Get haste gear get crit mastery gear.

[wintry heart]

We just want haste, a little bit more haste and then all the mastery and crit you can atuff in your character

[coral bear]

That doesn't answer my question doe 😭

[wintry heart]

I’m either at 650 haste or 800 and its the worst lol

[azure thicket]

maybe the sim just wants crit

[lilac stag]

It does

[eternal abyss]

Well Solar is lots of Crit no?

[coral bear]

Well I wanna know, the ring bonus has a free effect

Why not prioritize it?

[lilac stag]

Because we prioritize haste cap and mastery

[azure thicket]

it is, but it probably goes back to the cloak cause that looks like a lot of mastery gear

[coral bear]

And then ill change the rest of my stas

[lilac stag]

[azure thicket]

the boots/belt etc

[tropic field]

How good is the nexus point rings for us? I have both in HC or should i get a hang of other rings?

[dense geode]

Is there a cap above 700 for trickster?

[coral bear]

Im aware, but it's still possible to not cap the haste w the 2 rings and the neck

[gentle badge]

why are you not simming hungering victory on main hand?

[eternal abyss]

Yeah I messed that one up

[lilac stag]

Then figure out a gearset that does it

legit there’s no bis list

If you love the rings make them work

[echo tiger]

how much mastery do i want to have or is there no softcap or anything?

[lilac stag]

or I’m sorry you wasted 40 dungeons of farming for them

[azure thicket]

uh just remember sub genuinely likes crit almost as much as mastery

one big hit with 70-80% mastery or two crits etc

[quaint breach]

question about Guidon, if 700 haste. What is it that makes it good, do we squeeze in an extra attack in SD again or just faster auto attacks?

[bitter oar]

can you run sub with ony one dagger?

[azure thicket]

the weird thing is my sim still prefers less haste right now in m+ i figure when everything is maxed i'll be around 630 before oils though

[azure thicket]

shadow techniques needs the fast oh to proc correctly

[dense geode]

If anyone thinks they are a sim genius I would love ask some questions about my droptimizer

[bitter oar]

makes sense, I just equipped a random fist weapon and it didn't disable a bunch of abilities so I figured I'd ask

[lilac stag]

You’re better off equipping a green dagger

[echo tiger]

what item would you guys recommend me to radiance craft next?

[still fjord]

does anybody know the /use item for the lights potention macro ?

[sacred plover]

im using an addon for this, which creates a macro automatically according to the potions u have 😄

[candid pebble]

!sim

[sacred plover]

Smart Potion Macro its called

[short radish]

uncommon NA L

[strange chasm]

@plush roost man for bel reclear i thought you'd test the ds sub

[short radish]

[dry flame]

Only if you don't have Guidon (see latest pin)

[strange chasm]

you went sin 🙁

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

potion macro using fleeting r3 > fleeting r2 > r3> r2 for lights potential

[azure thicket]

sim pants/cloak/ring and see

pants were biggest upgrade for me with 1.4%

[plush roost]

Thought about it, didnt wanna mess up add damage or kill time tho

[strange chasm]

You think its better than sin

?

[plush roost]

Maybe next week or something

Idk, a lot of DS subs power is in consistent damage

[strange chasm]

hm not the burst damage

[plush roost]

Ig if u can prefire super chargers

Then it would go insan3

[strange chasm]

stack them up during the phase

could be giga

[plush roost]

Like 3-4 supercharged DN is insane

Like crit for 400k shit

[graceful rock]

so what alleria neck, lura ring

flask

[plush roost]

Nah probs just nexus rings, alleria neck and the crit/haste pants

Or mast hast alleria pants

Im running neck, nexus ringsflask and a variety of haste pieves

[rain stratus]

How do you prefire supercharges?

[plush roost]

Tier gloves, shoulders

[outer orchid]

what fights do we think are going to see DS? vor, salad,belo, maybe crown?

[plush roost]

By dancing and then spamming strike and no finishers kekw

[wintry heart]

Delete puzzle box from the game files

[plush roost]

Trickster probs better on saladbar

For parse

[outer orchid]

you think so?

[plush roost]

Ye

Hit adds

Go boom

[outer orchid]

fair

[plush roost]

But also fake parse fight

[outer orchid]

whole raid tier feels like fake parse

[plush roost]

When chinese 150k dps sub rogue has enduring void

[sturdy mortar]

is the 1050 breakpoint for DS without Guidon?

[keen steppe]

why sim the same 2 pair of items different numbers=

[plush roost]

Guidon pmuch required

[keen steppe]

same enchants and gems

[plush roost]

Link sim

[sturdy mortar]

OK, thank God, I was like where the fuck ima find all this haste lmao

[plush roost]

Oh no i mean

[keen steppe]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pxwFR9G9WfnjKKw2EkLbMw

[plush roost]

U run 1050- 1100

[outer orchid]

before guidon

[plush roost]

And play guidon as well

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-11079826643093500565

[limber cedar]

Does the 800 haste breakpoint apply for M+, since we run puzzle box?

[plush roost]

that would be why

[keen steppe]

ah lol im so blind

thanks mate

its not a good idea to open your vault early in the morning xD

[plush roost]

great belt to help reach 1100 haste!

this was my garbage

socket angle

[fossil forge]

Got a crafted belt

Socket or the back

[plush roost]

reclear angle highkey

then socket probs xd

[fossil forge]

ye did that last sek too

Anlaki

[tribal blade]

1100 haste tf

[spice matrix]

yea it's disgusting

deathstalker

[dense geode]

nah im specifically talking about actually being above 700 not as DS

like if 1k does anything for trickster

[outer orchid]

shindig was talking about how he was over 1k haste on belo and was blasting p1 compared to most public logs

[dense geode]

My droptimizer gets extremely weird when Im above 900+ haste

[celest night]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[dense geode]

at 700 haste alleria neck sims for 300 at 800 haste same neck sims for 3k

[plush roost]

no flask no runes

im so powerful

[tribal blade]

goddamn

is it worth on trickster?

[dense geode]

do you have alleria neck

[plush roost]

no

[tribal blade]

or this is just DS shenanigans

gotcha

[pliant pendant]

like im at 658 haste ! 1043 mast

should I just blast hast?

[plush roost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dYVwotnbwahnLShKP8ZCaa

behold

DS 1100 haste build

[dense geode]

can you sim that as trickster

same everything just diff hero talent

[tribal blade]

i think i'd have a hard time hitting that

maybe impossible

[dry flame]

Yes, you want closer to 800 if you don't have Guidon, as eleem said in the pin

[dense geode]

no i have guidon

this droptimzer is just confusing the fuck out of me

[outer orchid]

anyone know off the top of their head which bosses have damage amps aside from salad if any?

[plush roost]

btw this sims 100dps less

Forbidden

technology

[brisk onyx]

Brew so back

[plush roost]

was really tempted to play it on reclear

ngl

maybe another day

[brisk onyx]

👍

[outer orchid]

what's so good about dark brew

(not bait)

[plush roost]

just synergizes well with DS and its more aoe damage compared to traditional talents

[brisk onyx]

will brew build better in add combat?

[lucid jackal]

I did a comparison too

[outer orchid]

o

ds aoe incoming?

[plush roost]

no

trickster still aoe king

[outer orchid]

lol

[lucid jackal]

.

[plush roost]

quite powerful no?

i think if u stop trying to game DN and dance and stuff

and u just

sec tec dance into whatever

its like a net neutral

what i've been doing, and this is my wild tech

is dsm at 2

pool

evis

dance storm

sec tec

into DN

and if im at 1 dsm

[lucid jackal]

It's probably cuz I'm so used to trick

[plush roost]

i just evis into storm dn

[lucid jackal]

But I hate how it plays

[plush roost]

and sec tec

i played it on chimerus XD

i uh

do not recommend

maybe till mark move talent

LOL

[brisk onyx]

Is there a clear explanation for why DS requires such a high haste rating? For sht,tech cd, or something similar?

[outer orchid]

i imagine its to fit as many dn into sd as possible

maybe im full wrong though

[chrome palm]

I like to dance secret with 1 dsm because I don’t care why the sim doesn’t like it it makes sense to me

[brisk onyx]

But thought of optimizing DN clones gives me the creeps

[pliant pendant]

but do we flask haste ?

[outer orchid]

if you're going ds and need it to hit 1050+ then yeah prob

[shrewd lantern]

I love how

my first pull on crown

i get grasp of emptiness 4x in a row

[lucid jackal]

You start p1 crown and say to yourself: wow this is the worst melee fight ever
And then p2 starts and you say: oh my God it's worse

[short radish]

ive never been so glad to be benched for a fight

[dense geode]

8 obelisk in a row

[shrewd lantern]

one of our useful classes got last minute irl

[plush roost]

Is this even true anymore

[shrewd lantern]

me sitting here with obelisk dot and 2 heal absorbs

[plush roost]

I think starting high should be good with 8 second dance

[shrewd lantern]

well fist me no lube ig

[plush roost]

Since u can guarantee 2 DN in dance

[chrome palm]

Honestly man like

I think if you game the mark a lil bit

[plush roost]

Sec > storm > apex DN > evis > strike > evis > strike >apex dn

[chrome palm]

You can kinda do whatever

Idk

I think the ds sims

Are so fake

[plush roost]

Or am i missing an evis

I very eepy

[chrome palm]

Look at when sim uses blades bro

It uses blades and sits on its hands for 2s

[pliant pendant]

do we have any sweetspot for mast *?

[chrome palm]

And then secret falls out of blades

[plush roost]

Ye ds sims are undee cooked nr

For sure

[chrome palm]

I butchered the sims a while ago

To try to make it not do that

[short radish]

[plush roost]

I mean like a 430 kill timer doing 106k dps for mr

[chrome palm]

I wonder how that looks now at 1k haste

[plush roost]

Imagine its a 450 timer

Probably end 112k or smthn

[chrome palm]

Sim told me ds was 3% ahead

It feels a lot more ahead

From logs

Even accounting for vantus and what not