subtlety

[swift tinsel]

is the macro on your stealth bar

bc it cast coup as soon as dance ended

[tidal solstice]

yeh it is

[swift tinsel]

sus

just happens to be a coincidence it works properly as soon as dance is over

[latent finch]

The moment dance ended it used the coup.. thats really really sus

[tidal solstice]

so i guess my point still stands. shit dont work right, im using evisc

@spice crag wanna pipe in here?

[lilac stag]

Without seeing your actual action bars, your macro isn’t on your stealth bar or you’ve got a weird stealth bar swap going on

[keen dome]

Back-to-back Skyreach+12 bricks to the most incredible things.

[lilac stag]

that’s literally….

[swift tinsel]

no dude its the macros fault

[tidal solstice]

its on my stealth bar

[lilac stag]

maybe it’s assa’s fault….

[lilac stag]

There’s no macro text there

So unless you turned that off

[keen dome]

Can you go into the macro settings and make it's icon something very obvious

[lilac stag]

Set the macro icon to idk shiv

[swift tinsel]

well if you have it set to always show bp icon how can anyone tell if its the macro or not

[keen dome]

Set it to a duck

[swift tinsel]

yeah literally any non-rogue spell icon or a duck

preferably many ducks

[lilac stag]

Yes and your action bar doesn’t say “black powder” it just has the BP icon aka the spell

[keen dome]

Notice how my one doesn't have a name

Whereas yours does. Precisely as Scath says

no name

Name, bam. Scath solved it

[lilac stag]

why are folks so argumentative. We’re telling you to check it because it happens way more often

than it ever should

Thank me later or keep blaming something else

Idgaf

[swift tinsel]

its quite literally the most-often-encountered problem with said macro

[keen dome]

You can very easily tell 'cos if you name a macro, it'll always show the text on the ability icon.

[swift tinsel]

meanwhile i'm a menace and name all of mine with a single press of the spacebar

[keen dome]

SAME.

I also don't currently use any macros

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel but is your mouse plugged in?

[keen dome]

not a single one of these are named

[swift tinsel]

I Neuralink my gameplay

might explain a lot actually

[keen dome]

Do I know what any of the 3 Shadow Dance macros do? Not a clue

[lilac stag]

Very bold with 2 buttons

[swift tinsel]

left blink is button one, right blink is button two

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-darth-vader-most-impressive-gif-1233758011459247961

[keen dome]

huh apperently they all do the same thing in slightly different ways.

Why did I make these

[swift tinsel]

lol

[lilac stag]

I’m judging by the radio silence we were correct

[tidal solstice]

should it not have a name??

[swift tinsel]

90% of my macros are just [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] macros

or a CD+Trinket

[keen dome]

The button on your bar isn't the macro

[keen dome]

Because you've named it. it does not have text showing on the bar. It's not your macro.

[tidal solstice]

yes it is

[cobalt patrol]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tidal solstice]

see vid i changedi con

[swift tinsel]

the vid has bp icon chief

[swift tinsel]

look at your actionbar during dance

it is not that icon

it is bp

[quick plume]

lol

[tidal solstice]

mf

[keen dome]

You don't have it on your stealth bar

[tidal solstice]

ok im gonna in the corner now

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-corner-gif-13250210

[coral pier]

Quick Sim. Question. Patchwerk on how many bosses and how many minutes?

[keen dome]

Post the meme, Scath

[lilac stag]

If it was on your action bar it would show the macro name.

It’s not on your stealth bar

[swift tinsel]

huehuehue

[keen dome]

lmao

All my general macro's are weird quest things I deply regret not naming

I have no clue what they do

[swift tinsel]

I think most of those are paladin mouseover macros lol

bc my paladin tab was full of healing/utility macros

Lol there's a m/o Blessing of Summer still in there

[tidal solstice]

when i rearranged my macroes and hid my action bar after button 6 i forgot to swap the stealth macro

recently redid my UI

thats on me

but ty all for patience and help

[keen dome]

It's almost always the simplest explaination.

What's the saying? It's not Occam's Razor is it?

[elder grove]

Guys ive got question,
Ive got currently 18,2% haste. So should be fine, Buit Sims recommend me getting more haste. Why is that?
*Talking about ST

[swift tinsel]

yeah with stealth bar stuff its usually just a case of not having it on your bar

[coral pier]

I want to ask if someone knows the best or optimal simulation optoins for AOE

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-alexis-rose-shocked-jaw-dropping-jaw-drop-gif-6490837781996062302

[wraith sphinx]

all these ? gives me conniptions

PICK AN ICON

RAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[swift tinsel]

they show tooltips for their respective specs

[west tide]

dungeon slice bro

[tidal solstice]

but at least i wont be going crayz trying to figure out anymore lol

[swift tinsel]

they're just not rogue macros

[wraith sphinx]

okay fair

less psycho

[keen dome]

I recommend you look at the raw number, not % as some things (I.e., races) can give more %, which won't be counted for the thing we want it counted for.

[swift tinsel]

all of my rogue macros have icons

for their respective specs

[tidal solstice]

yeh i name and give icons to them

recently did a purge

i had macros in there from BC lol

[strange chasm]

can we save vanish on vor and vanish to drop fixate from ads

[keen dome]

Confusing macro's are a problem for future me.

[swift tinsel]

any macro I've made since like 2015 doesn't have text in it anymore lol

[keen dome]

I think the fixate will just go onto someone else which may not be ideal.

[swift tinsel]

except for my castsequence poison application ones

[elder grove]

Oh, its bcs im Night Elf?

[swift tinsel]

still have this bad boy jic

[lilac stag]

You’re welcome

[keen dome]

Maybe. What's your raw haste? I.e., the actual number and not the %

[elder grove]

601

[keen dome]

There you go then. That'd be why, I suspect.

[tidal solstice]

im at 689 with oils and it feels perfect, just enough leeway to hold for a sec if needed

[keen dome]

This won't count the % Extra from sources like Night Elf. So although it shows you have more %, the actuat benefit is less.

[elder grove]

Damn, no reason to play NE Then xD

[tidal solstice]

dracthyr glide is so clutch yall 😄

[keen dome]

Races don't really matter in 99.9% of situations.

Just play the one you think is cool.

[tidal solstice]

glide = dps

[elder grove]

Mechagnomes, but my guildies told me that they gonna kick me if i show up on raid as Mechagnome xD

[golden totem]

For rogues?

[keen dome]

Double Hearthstone = I can be forgetful

[tidal solstice]

interrupt those knock ups by hitting space. shadowstep, proceed

[elder grove]

SO what should be my RAW number for Haste then?

[keen dome]

I personally aim for 700 but I think 684 pre-oil is the comfy amount? @lilac stag What's the minimum, is it 650+?

[swift tinsel]

just 1.2 more delve levels til max and I get the black hole hearthstone

[tidal solstice]

ty for reminding me 😄

[elder grove]

Thanks for info tho, Then ill swap some gear around and get that value, Thanks!

[signal heath]

whats the website where you can input your sim and see if different M+ places will kill you etc?

[swift tinsel]

https://not-even-close.com/

[lilac stag]

I won’t go under 675

[keen dome]

Coo'

I need a chart I can check every time someone asks..

"Zoomer haste goals. Old man haste goals. Sensible haste goals."

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel I need a kill counter for stealth bar macros

[tidal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/mexican-laugh-laugh-laughing-laughing-hysterically-laughing-crying-gif-14871471

[swift tinsel]

triple digits by now

[keen dome]

Look at the positive

[tidal solstice]

i blame blizz for making me redo my entire ui

[keen dome]

The more this happens, the more likely other people will go "It's the stealth bar"

[tidal solstice]

shit was perfect

[lilac stag]

Which is impressive with how few play this spec

[lilac stag]

Did bliz also tell you not to listen on what to double check when given advice? Asking for a friend

[swift tinsel]

need to program Moroes to auto-fire with broken macro keywords

[tidal solstice]

i had it buried and hidden but yes its also blizz fault, not mine totally for reading comprehension

do appreciate the advice that was driving me nuts. and i had hidden the buttons for stuff that doesnt have CDs. pure derp moment for me and its been a while so its nice and humbling

[keen dome]

It's always worth double checking the obvious things first.

[lilac stag]

Stop having AI take my job

[swift tinsel]

its coming for us all

[lilac stag]

gonna have to update it for BP macro

[keen dome]

nah

I'll fucking fight it

I've got books. I'll hit the computer with them.

[tidal solstice]

got the best piece of gear a rogue could ask for this expansion, for our new role

me sittin in eversong fishing on the bench

[lilac stag]

3 of the bottom 10 overall dps specs in mythic. Surely more buffs announced today.

[keen dome]

+2% to BP

[lilac stag]

would help cleave, maybe

just replace evicerate
Black Powder now triggers cut to the chase.

[hazy breach]

I would be surprised if they announced anything this week

[swift tinsel]

same

or next week

[hazy breach]

Probably just holding off until next week with .5

[swift tinsel]

not til after 12.0.5

[lilac stag]

I’m assuming nothing until the 21st

[keen dome]

Yeah, same

They might announce additional tuning coming in 12.0.5

But it'll be damage knob and nothing more, I guess

[swift tinsel]

ye in the off chance they do anything additional for 12.0.5 it'll be baby aura adjustments if anything

[lilac stag]

.1 would be changes more than tuning knobs

[keen dome]

YEah

If we get a raid buff, it'll be in 12.1.

[lilac stag]

Or in rogue case .1.5

[keen dome]

When was Aug added. 10.1.5?

[lilac stag]

sorry ran out of time

Shadow Priest needed another full rework

[vagrant fulcrum]

No shot sub is in bottom 10 now

[swift tinsel]

ye

[keen dome]

Rogue tank spec 12.1.5 then.

[lilac stag]

Outlaw best of the worst

[vagrant fulcrum]

That’s very concerning, actually

If sub doesn’t bring overall wtf is it bringing

[keen dome]

I wonder if we'll get a mega dungeon this expansion or if they're gonna do +1 dungeon each season instead

[keen dome]

Sunny disposition and good vibes?

[lilac stag]

Purple

[swift tinsel]

I could see ZA/ZG mega dungeon if anything

if its a troll patch

[keen dome]

Yeah, maybe. I would actually prefer +1 dungeon each patch and no megadungeons.

[swift tinsel]

agreed

I'm not overly fond of them

[keen dome]

It's just another chore to run every week chasing some dumb item on top of everything else I'm doing. They're fun but eh.

[swift tinsel]

and already doing both of the ones weve gotten twice makes them seem even duller

[lilac stag]

12.0.5 we will see the rise of fight timings resulting in DM execute for Assa.

then they can be best worst melee dps

[keen dome]

My job is being the worst best melee dps

[sharp sapphire]

Cloud cover in 12.0.5 looks interesting. Activating Shadow Blades creates a cloud of smoke for 10 sec, allowing attacks from within the cloud to apply Fazed, stacking up to 2 additional times.

Effect persists for 10 sec after leaving the cloud.

[lilac stag]

It’s better than nothing, but idk

[keen dome]

It's not going to get any use, imo.

The other talent it shares a node with is Just Better.

Maybe on very big pulls?

[sharp sapphire]

I know we have to trade 10% crit on finisher, but faze stacking 3 times look interestin

[lilac stag]

depends how fast it stacks

I haven’t gone on ptr so idk

[hazy breach]

Assuming it works like the current one it's pretty much instant

It's probably pretty good ngl

[keen dome]

More of an M+ big pulls thing, no? Or would it have strong ST application too as an additional layer of burst?

[hazy breach]

Or well, atleast competitive with the +10% crit

[dry flame]

You're gonna be the worst Survival Hunter in the game?

[keen dome]

yes

[supple barn]

any popular cdm profiles out there or anywhere i can look at em

for funsies

[hallow mortar]

are we getting anything pog with 12.0.5?:

[keen dome]

AoE Blind

[hallow mortar]

beside that 😄

[lusty acorn]

Is there new class tunning coming or not?

[keen dome]

Hopefully, but it's hard to know for sure.

[vale pine]

• cloud cover
• aoe blind
• think some fixes for dm

[hallow mortar]

cloud cover that sound nice

[dry flame]

also Crimson Vial CDR

rogue fixed

[vale pine]

true

[keen dome]

Criminal Vial CDR is good and cool

We shouldn't mock the good and cool change

AoE Blind is just confusing

[tame terrace]

hotfix removal bc it was bugged into major patch back in 👍

[dry flame]

i think it'd be pretty cool if they remove shroud and give us a raid buff

[keen dome]

I agree on the raid buff.

But we've been asking for improvements (and it's been a common complaint of Rogue) open world and solo content survivability

So it's actually cool to see them attempt an improvement.

Small, hopeful steps.

[void ocean]

wait, what did i miss

[dry flame]

the change doesn't help unles you are killing stuff, so tougher mobs will still be a pain unfortunately

[keen dome]

Yeeeah.

[dry flame]

but yes, net positive

[keen dome]

It's an attempt, and hopefully it will be a good one.

[dry flame]

#MakePickpocketGreatAgain

[void ocean]

do or do not. there is no attempt. - yoda, probably

[keen dome]

Yoda should fuck off

useless little gremlin

Actually no he set a tree on fire and seemed super thrilled about it, that was cool

[void ocean]

u mean off should yoda fuck

[keen dome]

lmao

I absolutely mean off should yoda fuck!

[dry flame]

"Are we on the right path, Master Yoda?"

"Hmmm. Of course, we are."

[keen dome]

Hahaha

That's a good one

[void ocean]

lmao

[fallow nimbus]

Where are these changes and are they in the room with us right now?

[jade oasis]

i love windrunner last boss

[dry flame]

What do you love about it?

[sullen flicker]

i have a funny perdicement. i have the platinum starband 6/6H track. its simming lower then my NPX ring combo thats also 6/6H track. (same enchants and gems) is sims fucking up on the proc on the npx ring?

[dry flame]

Not sure about that specific, but Sims want to drop me to under 650 haste so I manually get the sweet spot while stacking as much mastery as possible

[sullen flicker]

well i am at 625haste for my 18%

[dry flame]

You want 684+

[tidal marsh]

le perdicement

[jade oasis]

being able to skip every single mechanic

with shadowstep

and cloak

[keen dome]

Shadowcloaking rules

[sullen flicker]

well time to recraft ;-;

[dry flame]

This is ideally, just gather gear so you can stay in the 684-700 range as much as you can

Don't spend your life savings on constantly recrafting

[sullen flicker]

dw about that

[sage pond]

why does this still happen. but not always, one guy logged mythic chimaerus and it was merged with me (47 green log firstkill...) and one guy logged it with akaari's soul separate and resulting in a 16 grey xd

[hollow spear]

Youtube just recommended a video of farting horses to me, the algorithm finally understood what I really need

[hollow spear]

If you're more than 100 (?) yards away from the logger, it krangles your log and akaari is separate

[hazy breach]

Well it's only been a bug since dragonflight alpha, I'm sure they'll fix it soon

[dusky yacht]

Recommends me 2 hour long ex-CIA interviews and documentaries on vietnam etc

Or weird AI generated MBTI vids

[hollow spear]

I'd rather watch farting horses tbh

[dusky yacht]

Maybe it’s your nickname

Colo

[hazy breach]

If you log it yourself it won't happen though @sage pond

[keen dome]

oh no mbti, one of my great foes

[dusky yacht]

I’m apparently The Architect

[hollow spear]

I remember doing that once in a work training thing

Can't remember what it said I was

Awesome, probably

[keen dome]

MBTI is literally shit. Pseudoscientific trash

[hollow spear]

If it said something positive about me, I disagree

But I cannot remember

[keen dome]

Haha

[dusky yacht]

Nah, it’s used by intelligence agencies around the globe, but in it’s popularised form it’s ofc a li’l bit bs

[keen dome]

What

No, it's tradh

Trash

[dusky yacht]

Okay buddy it’s trash are you happy

[hollow spear]

Thought it was some mountain bike brand until I recognised the fully spelled out name

[keen dome]

It's been disproven countless times, the original work was literally faked by Myers Briggs

[dusky yacht]

Did you read that on your random online news outlet

[keen dome]

No?

On my psychology degree

[hollow spear]

I think my mbti type is YMCA

[keen dome]

It's a laughing stock in the actual field

[dusky yacht]

Is that why the US navy conducted experiments about it relating to types of leadership involving thousands of people

[keen dome]

What

[dusky yacht]

What

I’ve read papers

[hollow spear]

Just because they did it doesn't mean it's not bs, to be fair

They've done dumber things I'm sure

[dusky yacht]

There’s actual results that came out of using the work

[keen dome]

Please go read some actual theory surrounding MBTI and modern analysis of trait theory work

[dusky yacht]

It proved transformational leadership is more valuable than laisser-faire or authoritatian leadership

… Bro that is literally what I did

facepalm Anyway laters

[hollow spear]

Psychology regards the MBTI as useless, since it lacks predictive power.

[keen dome]

Plus the whole issue with how the original work was conducted resulting in zero scientific validity

[dusky yacht]

Psychology isn’t the only field that can use psychological research

Then why were there actionable results in the studies I read

[hollow spear]

I agree with iGestalt, but I'd rather go back to farting horses than having a discussion about pseudoscience haha

[keen dome]

Astrology for people who don't understand basic science

[dusky yacht]

It’s not pseudoscience because you have that opinion

And I am not talking about an MBTI test for teenagers online

[hollow spear]

There's papers about the world being 6000 years old

[dusky yacht]

I’m talking about something actively taught in intelligence courses which are hardly the place for peudoscience and astrology

But okay whatever makes you happy lmao

[oblique fable]

Wth is happening here

[swift tinsel]

the psuedoscience course I took in undergrad just made me hate Graham Hancock even more

one of my favorite classes ever though

[runic sinew]

someone knows if we can track "the first dance" talent with addons?

[somber sun]

I think so

try arcui

also it counts as buff on top right

[twin quartz]

Roughly what’s the damage difference on 8 targets in using shadowstrike vs shuriken storm as the builder during dance?

Im awful at adjusting the APL to figure these things out

But I’m curious

[glad bough]

is there a resource that shows all the class ablity target caps? i keep searching for midnight ones but only shadowlands comes up for me. maybe i am searching wrong =/

[steel zinc]

like great and all but you should start playing with people with actual hands

[hazy lichen]

do any of yall run keys

[upbeat cradle]

Dang i've been really underperforming lately 🙁

[cloud barn]

that's what i was asking about

where does one find these actual hand having gamers

the post was legit not about my dps

[steel zinc]

idk in my guild ddh does 200k overall in a +12 weekly

I am scraping by

[upbeat cradle]

Go into ''relaxed'' keys like these

[steel zinc]

Pugs cant play

95% of people doing keys are better of using one button

[cloud barn]

gonna just list having hands as a requirement when i list my key

get reported for prejudice against the differently abled

but at least my io will go up

[pure cloud]

Love seeing the +18 learning crews

[gritty stump]

Hey big rogue pumper gang. Does sub have a target cap? Having a hard time finding info on this. Is it in my tooltips and I’m just so blind I should be playing demon hunter?

[swift tinsel]

nimble flurry has a hard cap but that's it for sub

the rest are soft capped

[gritty stump]

Thanks! Appreciate your time!

[fiery fog]

man i stand in city like npc and bring shame to guild by the amount of declines im getting at 279 ilvl and 3k rio for 10s and 12s

forgot you absolutely need meta comps for kindergarden keys

[gritty stump]

You’re just over qualified.

[shrewd lantern]

i just call the pug lister bald

[fiery fog]

on my alt i just had a key where i had 40 interrupts alone
the whole group together had like 60 total

why cant rogue be meta and everyone just instantly invites one

though it kinda is meta

[shrewd lantern]

then you get alot of shit rogues

[fiery fog]

assa

[shrewd lantern]

i.e bfa

[fiery fog]

there are a lot of shit players regardless of class

[glad bough]

how can you be shit at sub though

[fiery fog]

im encountering them more than enough

[glad bough]

3 buttons...like whaaaat

[fiery fog]

literal npcs that dont press buttons in keys

[shrewd lantern]

None of the rogue specs are hard

outlaw probably is the trickiest now

to optimize

[fiery fog]

sub is literally the easiest spec in the game atm

[shrewd lantern]

assa

lol

[glad bough]

punishing though but easy

[shrewd lantern]

not by much

[fiery fog]

you have almost no variability

and like 5 buttons to press

[gritty stump]

My friends and I run brew>sub>frost mage>spriest>whatever healer looks spicy. We are getting into 13s rn. Just slow going 3 of us dad lifing one of us (me) turning old man 40 this year. Thank blizz for the changes. My old man brain couldn’t keep up before.

[glad bough]

and spriest is broken

[fiery fog]

and groups have an easier time to get into keys

[shrewd lantern]

idk tww sub nuke playstyle

was big funny

big pull 30 prism stacks

[tidal solstice]

thankfully my twin decided to play this expac so i have a brewmaster to queue with. only invites i get are for ones i outgear and outscore.

[gritty stump]

That’s a bummer.

[strong crypt]

Frost mage is surely the easiest . You mean out of rogue specs ?

[fiery fog]

no in general

[tidal solstice]

nah hunter is still easier

[strong crypt]

Wragebait

[fiery fog]

tell me one hard thing about sub atm

besides not trying to doom about rogue in general

[tidal solstice]

gettingi nvites for keys youll dumpster everyone else on

we were always told we shouldnt be rewarded with more dps for more complexity, that some players like that. the inverse needs to remain true, we shouldnt be penalized with less dps because of simplicity

pick a lane

[gritty stump]

I like having a rogue because I can be a lazy brew puller. Their kit is just so good. Having the stuns and blinds and also tricks. Makes my life easy.

[strong crypt]

I didn’t say sub was hard , I said frost mage is without a doubt the easiest spec in game

[tidal solstice]

would be nice if over half the mobs werent stun immune.

or if they could just go ahead and make all the stun immunes also immune to KB, knockup, incapacitate, sleep, fear, etc. so that our "utility" is seen as comparable when it really isnt

[gritty stump]

Oh dang, I haven’t noticed.

[supple barn]

is assa hard

i havent ever touched assa

or even looked at it l0l

i feel like every class has like 4 buttons lol

[gritty vortex]

I LOVE easy specs

uwu

[lucid jackal]

every spec is so easy now

[undone ridge]

nothing wrong about someone prefering easy specs :>

[lucid jackal]

Green parses

[undone ridge]

^

gaming in general is getting dumbed down ngl

they tryna get us hooked lmao

[lucid jackal]

U missed the second half of my comment of

"green parses"

[gritty vortex]

nah there are some hard games aout there

[undone ridge]

i just saw hahahah

[undone ridge]

im a former tekken pro player

fighting games used to be hard

[lucid jackal]

Ppl say the game is so easy now but every pug I go into pug and they are doing 50k overall

So clearly something here is still hard

[undone ridge]

also considered super hard

but now times changed

[strong crypt]

50k overall is criminal

[undone ridge]

war crime basically

[supple barn]

i have vision issues its the hardest part of game for me

but yeah i dont hate the simplicity of the classes

[fiery fog]

likes this?

[supple barn]

was just sayin

[jovial ginkgo]

Bear weaving in wotlk classic was so goated

[undone ridge]

use filters for ur screen/ eyes

[lucid jackal]

See

[undone ridge]

its always the clueless shamys 😂😂😂😂

[gilded thistle]

do ya'll run potent powder on beloren?

[fiery fog]

why would you

[gilded thistle]

just for the rare occasion the birds are stacked up

[random mason]

I had back to back trap parties on skyreach

Actually no way those people thought they could clear a 10

Tank didnt know they had to be in melee on the bird

Like how

A mage and a warlock with ZERO interrupts in the same run

[fiery fog]

they just get carried

have some rio because of it and keep doing their 10s while being clueless

[random mason]

Yeah im gonna have to play some tank tomorrow to take my mind off it

[undone ridge]

fr

i feel like +10 is a noobtrap hahahaha

just go for 11 and upwards

there u wont get a clueless shammy

💀💀

[fiery fog]

you act like the dh was any better

[random mason]

I think ill just have to do 12s yeah

[fiery fog]

the 3.1k heal druid was the worst btw

in that group

[undone ridge]

nah fr go ahead try 11,12

fuck 10

[fiery fog]

died 4 times to vexamus

[remote rapids]

so guessing 3rd craft is somewhere like ring/neck type of stuff?

[tidal solstice]

i did ring cause theres two slots

and pvp hero neck was goated

[remote rapids]

oh, does neck only have one slot?

[fiery fog]

3rd craft is basicly just whatever slot you dont have yet or wont get in the forseeable future

[undone ridge]

still using it

[remote rapids]

i still have champ ring, that prolly the ticket

[tidal solstice]

same 😄

[fiery fog]

imo for most it will be legs/ring because of the way youd get them

[undone ridge]

158 mastery baby

[remote rapids]

what's the pvp neck? mast/haste?

[fiery fog]

i forgot my vault on my alt rogue lmao
the legs are crit haste which is actually kinda good
shoulders have speed
gaze is gaze

think it might actually just be gaze and craft legs next week
shoulders will be in another vault eventually i guess

[tidal solstice]

must be nice. ive never seen a gaze drop or in vault

[weak vector]

Both trinkets dropped in heroic the other day and a hunter won both lol

[fiery fog]

almost got a mythic gaze from our raid
but then they decided to give it to someone else :(

at least i was considered

[random mason]

Im still on crucible

Nothing good dropped

So far

[tidal solstice]

i hate that damn trinket

wish the tooltip updated with the buffed version

im using versatility drums out of spite

[random mason]

Its fine tbh

But swapping it for the skyreach one is like less than 1% upgrade

Which feels meh

[tidal solstice]

feel like its more bursty on an opener than

crucible

hold out for heroic gaze or craft a darkmoon blood 285. hrm.

like half a percent difference

[tribal blade]

crafting trinket seems bad

would do any other slot tbh

[tidal solstice]

yeh it does but my luck is also bad

[hazy breach]

The trinket is an embellishment btw

[tidal solstice]

@$&%@$ fuck never mind

[random mason]

Hero gaze or hero feather is what ill be waiting for

Skyreach trinket on maxed hero track is the only thing i could grab

[tidal solstice]

think ill just have to do this

[strong crypt]

Puzzle box is just annoying

[random mason]

I got guidon luckily

[tidal solstice]

got a hero drop. had a DH roll on it. we tied. i won 😄
he sent me a nasty tell too then when i told him it was his speccs 11th best trinket he shutup

thats pugs for ya

[silk sparrow]

Question about Vanguard in voidspire. Do we just spam Black Powder for 3 target cleave the entire time?

[waxen sable]

Excuse my ignorance, a rogue from my brotherhood looted this ring as an bis. Is it true that it can be considered that way?

[patent lichen]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt goblet]

can anyone explain full interaction of Sec Tech + Apex talent lvl 3?

[fiery fog]

yeah its a good ring

[alpine wraith]

depends on other gear would not call it bis

the paladins opne is better

[tidal solstice]

yes its bis depending on other peices

[fiery fog]

bis is whatever gets him to ~700 haste and as much crit/mast otherwise

[alpine wraith]

but if he already has lots of mastery and haste it is not bad

[strong crypt]

Arnt the 2 set rings from xenas pretty good too ?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[tidal solstice]

the proc isnt even 1% dmg lol

[fiery fog]

their stats are good though

and free 0.whatever % is free extra dmg

[jade oasis]

i feel like i got a lot of crit

[tidal solstice]

yeah lots of crit - whats mastery?

[tribal blade]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[glass kelp]

hero alnseer only simming 0.2% better than plume and puzzle box. is puzzle box really that good, even in st, or just sim bait?

[jade oasis]

it’s good yes

but those r passives and puzzle is on use

and puzzle is a cast

[hoary orchid]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tidal solstice]

i started applying this and yeah its for real 😄

easier to get in 11s than 10s lol

[shrewd lantern]

well its heroic so it cant be bis

[swift tinsel]

it can be if you only raid heroic

[shrewd lantern]

m+ vault

or crafted

tbf

[swift tinsel]

assuming they do 10+

bis is relative to the content they do and the gear that's available so its entirely possible it could be a bis ring

[obsidian crag]

no, bis is gear that provides proper stats to meet theory craft results u see on sim, that is why its bis, the result of that combination of gear will provide optimal result paired with talents and rotation

you are describing "upgrade", not bis

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

wait til you see that there's a half dozen or more gear combinations that all sim within margin of error of each other

like there are pretty much every single season

[shrewd lantern]

bis hasnt been relevant in wow for like years

idk why people cling onto it

[swift tinsel]

carrots to chase

same kinds of folks that obsess over the omnisim list and think it'll be even remotely indicative of raid performance

[shrewd lantern]

So things to blame on?

[short radish]

always is

tbh only things that matter for bis is just trinkets

[swift tinsel]

p much

[short radish]

and even then thats a difference of 96 to 99

[swift tinsel]

esp when there's usually one clear winner on-use and then one or two acceptible/utterly broken passives

[shrewd lantern]

I mean....

unless there is one comically op trinket

most are within variance

kinda

[still vector]

what is this? I dont see Akaari's Soul at all in my talents and I know its not an ability.

[swift tinsel]

clones from secret technique

[still vector]

ahhh ok ty

[swift tinsel]

they're attributed to Akaari who is kind of like a pet when it comes to logs

causes all kinds of shenanigans

[wispy sedge]

Hi guys quick rotation question.. reading the rotation segment i understand i only use SD if sectec is ready? So I don’t use my 2 charges back to back?

[tribal blade]

you only use 2 charges back to back during blades

[wispy sedge]

Thanks!

[thick siren]

ello friends, coming back to the class since tww. Have we lost like half our buttons or am i crazy

[tribal blade]

every spec has lost a lot of buttons

some more than most

sub lost a lot

[thick siren]

okok ty

[jade oasis]

688 with flask

i could lowkey play sin with these stats

[verbal glen]

who is this rat

fuck boomie

declined

[plush roost]

Zimbita go back to lfg

No cats allowed

[still fjord]

i feel like im doing something wrong on my rogue . I need help

[stone tundra]

who do i bribe to make the 4pc say dance instead of blade

[still fjord]

even after the vids im about to tear my eyes out trying to figure this out

[stone tundra]

what’s up

don’t get the rotation or something?

[still fjord]

idk what im messing up but its bad, lol compared to some of the other rogues i raided with today

i know for a fact im doing something wrong

ive watched about every vid on yt, lol

bout to just stick to pvp on my rogue with 324 days played on this tune

[stone tundra]

rule of thumb is to secret technique only in shadow dance iirc and stick to spending points in dance when you can

there’s going to be a few seconds where you can’t dance

that’s when you are generally hitting enemies with a paper towel

just do your best to have full points once dance is ready

[jade oasis]

nvm that felt gross

[still fjord]

so at the moment i have about 22% crit, 17.5 haste and 69 mast

[arctic abyss]

need more haste

[still fjord]

i thought around 18% is where we want to be ?

[arctic abyss]

700

[still fjord]

so im at 620 right now which isnt to far off imo

[arctic abyss]

what im running atm

shoot me an invite we'll go to a dummy and see if we can figure it out

Tisaka-drakthul

[still fjord]

are you horde or ally?

[arctic abyss]

horde

[still fjord]

i tried to whisper you

[arctic abyss]

ah ya didn't get it

[still fjord]

pm me your btag

[glass kelp]

are we just using regular trickster raid build for pallys?

[jade oasis]

switch weaponmaster for potent

[fluid lintel]

+Okay

all melee seeat is curse

[tidal solstice]

its stupid how much more dmg warlocks do at range. wtf blizz this balance is trash

[tribal blade]

guildie told me this

so changed the title

[raw frost]

btw

does that mean that everytime i proc a shadow clone or use secret technique i will receive 4 energy and store 1 cp from them

[swift tinsel]

yes

[raw frost]

perfect xD thats a lot of energy regen

[swift tinsel]

yep

its basically what fuels our infinite resources during dance

[raw frost]

i saw that in dance

i have like super a lot points

[swift tinsel]

bc of Shadowcraft

[raw frost]

and enerrgy

[swift tinsel]

which doubles the effect

[raw frost]

and with this it will be more

yes

due to this the shadow clones will proc like every shadow s trike 😄

btw does this proc a lot or

[swift tinsel]

in dance/blades yeah

[jade oasis]

im feeling like a #boss

sadly tank dc -> key dead so we will never know how much bigger id be

[verbal glen]

not good enough for lfg

[grave cove]

Can anyone tell me how I'm supposed to know my stat weights without simcraft? Does raidbots have them? I'm assuming Mast/Crit/Haste/Vers but dno what the soft caps are if at all

[crystal atlas]

!log

[polar schooner]

whats the buff id for ancient arts?

[lilac stag]

We don’t use stat weights. That’s rather antiquated.

With the current version of sub you want ~700 haste. Then go for mastery/crit. more mastery in m+

[short radish]

i dont get mafic as well

like rogue is such a small playerbase anyway

why bother trolling such a small minority

when there are druids and paladins

[tribal blade]

my favorite thing he's doing right now is constantly spamming in every thread how blizz is giving Ws after Ws to rogue

when we're having the literal exact opposite thing happen

this is what happens when you're that opinionated yet do absolutely nothing in game

yeah his character has not killed a single raid boss, done a single key or done a single rated pvp match

STRONG BASE FOR HAVING OPINIONS RIGHT THERE

[jade oasis]

wym bro

he’s a open world gamer

[tribal blade]

massive content

you're right

i'm beneath him

[lilac stag]

Perhaps he’s the smartest one in the room by avoiding all the content we try to do and bitch about sub rogue in.

[tribal blade]

LOL maybe

that's some 4d chess right there

[lilac stag]

who’s the fool?

[tribal blade]

ME

[half comet]

do we have something that shows what atrophic works and doesnt work on

[still depot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Maybe he's playing the longest game known to man and just hates rogue.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Guild name checks out

[swift tinsel]

he's on an RPPVP server and RP's as a PVPer

without ever having to pvp

its the perfect crime

[vagrant fulcrum]

Yes and no, yes you’re right because he can’t possibly understand where and how the stuff he’s complaining about meets its limits and difficulty if this is about viability etc.

No because a guy doing his world quest deserves to have a say about how his class feels to play, and if anything his view on that might be more accurate that yours or mine, since a lot of the more serious players will take gameplay Ls for performance Ws, and through that choice we disqualify ourselves as judges of gameplay compared to someone doing open world shit but they’re uncompromising - if you get me

[keen dome]

I tend to agree with this sentiment, yeah. Everybody who is playing the class / spec has a right to discuss and have an opinion about regardless of content they are doing. But I do think people should do so with a level of perception of the content they're doing.

Which this guy.. doesn't.

[short radish]

No i disagree. People who have 40 IQ should not have any say in any decision making

you can advocate for them

but the acutal 40 iq people don't understand what they want/need

[keen dome]

I hate IQ. We should fight it instead.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Ah, a fellow democracy hater - respect

And yes, that is directly what you’re hating on, and yes it is that fuckin dumb

[keen dome]

I typically think there is a lot of value in listening to a complete slice of players. Someone who just does their casual daily content is as worthwhile as the top tier end-game big boy raider. The problem is when the former has constant ideas about the latter's area of content with zero experince or understanding, or even willingness to learn imo.

But they should listen to me the most

I've positioned myself in the ideal spot between everybody

I am John Warcraft

Full of opinions and terrible at it all.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Ngl I’m actually not familiar with mafic, though I do remember seeing his name

How’s he trolling

[tribal blade]

yeah that's fair, but his takes are consistently awful

which is why people meme on him so much

[keen dome]

A lot of his feedback or ideas don't really seem to stem from actually playing the game at all. He's a PvPer, but he doesn't really PvP and a lot of his takes or ideas are just "but.. you've never done that? You have no context"

What was the response to your thread, Prophet, that was really "huh??"

[tribal blade]

he also does an absolutely insane amount of posting

and blizz looks there for feedback

[vagrant fulcrum]

I always treated it as a throw it to the void and pray kinda feedback channel

Especially since I’m eu

[keen dome]

Yeah...

[vagrant fulcrum]

I did write a lot of feedback for tww rogue

Ngl they actually fixed a majority of what I complained about

It’s where mewo got the engineered frustration part of his name

[keen dome]

I miss Nimble 🙁

[vagrant fulcrum]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogues-in-tww-engineered-frustration/585745

Warning, ts is mad long

[tribal blade]

i miss old nimble too

[vagrant fulcrum]

Y’know what I don’t miss

[tribal blade]

holy shit that's an essay lol

[vagrant fulcrum]

Old spatter activation, old cold blood, needing stealth to spread bleeds without it taking 10 million globals

[keen dome]

Yeah, fuck old cold blood.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Infinite annoying shit they’ve done away with

[keen dome]

Needless janky ass button that simply added an extra step to everything.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Unironically I think cold blood did more to make sub unapproachable than any other spell

[keen dome]

I am overall very positive on the Rogue changes and almost all my major criticsm right now is: raid buff. posion toggle.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Cold blood in combination with flawless form peak aids

[keen dome]

The core here is good. But we're still lacking parity with so many other classes, esp other mono DPS.

[vagrant fulcrum]

I’d say I’m neutral to positive, sub I’d say is the biggest miss for me gameplay wise

They pruned too much

[torn tide]

yo why dont we care about apex sectec?

[keen dome]

Sub just needs another button and our burst identity back, I think.

[keen dome]

bugged iirc

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[vagrant fulcrum]

It doesn’t clone the whole spell

[torn tide]

oh man

[tribal blade]

apex only copies phys portion of sectec, not clones which do the majoriy of the dmg

[keen dome]

High5

[tribal blade]

equals out to apexing an evis iirc

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

prob more in aoe

[torn tide]

thats actually sad lol

[vagrant fulcrum]

Also forcing apex on first spender would be so annoying

[tribal blade]

it would require more pooling before dances for sure

[keen dome]

I assume it's a technical limitation because SecTec does a phys hit then spawns two pets at .7 and 1.2? to then do damage which is also why the log attribution is there.

[torn tide]

i seee

[keen dome]

Because SecTec is, for some reason, still not designed as a single hit

[torn tide]

thanks guys

[vagrant fulcrum]

Im fairly sure we’d immediately go to sectec 2nd finisher if you could apex full sectec

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

it's interesting how 2 bugs help each other out here

[keen dome]

I enjoy how you can give your logs an extra player though.

That is never not funny

[tribal blade]

we don't want to apex sectec because of bug, and we can avoid that by casting it 1st global in dance because premed blocks apex due to bug

[shrewd lantern]

sectech is treated as clones

yet we dont get cool visuals

like kyveza

[keen dome]

Someday...

That can go on my list at point 4. I guess.

Rogue tank can go do down one

[shrewd lantern]

somehow it only took them one tier

[tribal blade]

i think it would still be 1st finisher or else it would make fitting 2nd sectec in blades harder

[shrewd lantern]

to create a void dh

[keen dome]

I was going to say "Well, they made a boss and just re-used a lot of his assets" but, uh. Yeah. lmao.

Sub Queen animations when

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i mean most of devourer animations

are adarus' right

[keen dome]

Yep

Maybe they're worried that if they do it for Sub, the other two specs will be jealous

[shrewd lantern]

they scrapped most of outlaw's visual potential

[rigid marten]

is puzzle box better than guidon in M+?

[shrewd lantern]

@keen dome im actually surprised outlaw doesnt have a "cheat" cooldown

i.e force 3-4 buffs

on like a 3min cd

[keen dome]

Yeah, that'd fit really well with the current identity as the highwayman / gambler style.

I guess it's because KIR exists, and that is sorttta? kinda? the same concept.

[vagrant fulcrum]

I guess if I had to write feedback on current rogue I’d bitch that they can’t design outlaw in a way where it’s inherently not dogshit by design + energy issues with keeping flurry up on like 2t is criminal + why did they remove precise cuts and keep the hard cap. Sub is just brainless and not fit to play for a long period in terms of fun + they still kept the classic headache sub gameplay in with frustrating haste interaction / hard cap bullshit. Oh and subs burst ain’t it atm, this falls under tuning too but they need to make sub cds top tier, sub can’t be this middle of the road burst spec, it actually isn’t right. Sin imo is the healthiest of the three, even if it really can’t do the whole burst aoe raid cleave thing, it has execute and funnel with good cds

[shrewd lantern]

cheating would be more thematic

[keen dome]

It would

[torn tide]

a healer that i was in a +12 with said that he hasnt been disappointed with rogue's dps whenever hes seen one

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt harlan like

turbo charge his dice

[keen dome]

Sub really could do with one more button. Something to bring our burst identity back and an element you play around the entire fight. I've talked about it before but Prism buff built aroudn your Dances, etc. Just a little something and I think Sub'd be in an ideal spot.

[shrewd lantern]

when he gets low

[keen dome]

Let me check

Yeah

[vagrant fulcrum]

The question would be how can they allow better burst while letting it be flexible (blizz’s mission statement, not mine) without breaking the spec

[keen dome]

I think a Prism-like buff system where you store up a buff and can unleash it when you need. But I don't know how you'd balance this or how it would work out.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Wouldn’t KiR and prep both count as cheating?

[keen dome]

Because Prism was fun and peak Sub to me.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Issue with prism is ur shit on pull

Perhaps it should be something like remaining out of combat or outside of dance gives you a buff to your next x

[keen dome]

That was ultimately because of it being a trinket. I'd keep current design as it is. And then this is on top of it all.

[vagrant fulcrum]

X could be blades, dance, sectec

[keen dome]

My idea is, say, if a boss has a damage amp like Saladbar. You pull as normal. You play as normal. But now you've got the option of popping this big buff during first or second damage amp to maximize it.

Say if every dance gave you, hypothetically, 1 stack. And each stack was +agi. And it lasted 10 seconds or something. And it capped at 10 or 15

So the Prism gameplay but baked into ths spec as our mega burst button that gives flexibility to our burst.

[shrewd lantern]

idk i don think prep suits outlaw

blizz needs to stop adding back dated shit that only caters to boomers

[keen dome]

Prep would've fit TWW Sub so well

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

not outlaw

rogue has alot more nostalgiaheads

[vagrant fulcrum]

I still think the problem remains, every time you have something like this there’s a correct solution, unironically shadowdust would be what I want back but I get that people hate it

[shrewd lantern]

than other classes for some reason

imo rogue pre mop

was basically another class

[vagrant fulcrum]

You’re not wrong, all the OLs have been asking for is 2charge ADR, they’ll never get it though

[keen dome]

There's always a correct solution and optimal time to do something with everything. Shadowdust would just be an excel sheet mapped out, etc.

Because we do love to optimise it all.

Shadowdust would be interesting on current Sub, though

[vagrant fulcrum]

But that’s where dust diverged

[robust dust]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vagrant fulcrum]

It gave REAL flexibility

Since vanish was on charges

[keen dome]

But there was still optimal design around when to use it.

Based on kill times in raid.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Well yes and no

I consider being able to optimise based on timers flexibility

[vagrant fulcrum]

So it fits the mission statement, strong burst that is flexible

[keen dome]

It'd go hard if they also made Dance a much stronger button with a longer cooldown too

[vagrant fulcrum]

Flag is pointless to bring back

Hey could just buff the number on blades / death perception

[keen dome]

Ye

[jade oasis]

yeah i hated that button

[keen dome]

I did not like Flag, but the concept behind flag isn't bad since it's effectively the same idea of Prism

[jade oasis]

i honestly wish theyd make gloomblade or goremaws bite something usable

[keen dome]

Which is just Number Go up when I push big button

Gloomblade should be baseline!!!!

[shrewd lantern]

flag when it did damage

[keen dome]

Remember when it was haste

[shrewd lantern]

hey it was also vers

with the cov lego

[keen dome]

which is ironic now I guess

[jade oasis]

i wonder

i feel like going gloomblade would feel nice with cosmos neck

[keen dome]

Cosmos neck does nothing though

But I would like GLoomblade

Purple backstab is the better backstab

[sinful zephyr]

I think dust would be perfect now since flag is gone and cds align better....would be not toxic tobplay around anymore...or prep...but sth for flexibility

[vagrant fulcrum]

I didn’t mind flag back when obedience was a thing

Modern flag is lame though

Idk why flag never felt as good as kingsbane despite arguably being the same thing

[vagrant fulcrum]

I think the biggest thing dust solves is the awkwardness with non cdr sectec, before we’d get it back to send again in cds - now we’re barely managing with a tierset that is made to let you fit 2 in cds

[tribal blade]

lol hell no

they both do tiny dmg

[vagrant fulcrum]

Maybe if shadowdust only applied to sectec?

[keen dome]

Yeah but gloomblade is purple so he's right

[tribal blade]

it IS purple

true

[keen dome]

Just make it so SecTec has no CD and is just useable in dance once.

Like Dance gives SecTec a charge

[vagrant fulcrum]

I’m fairly sure we do a ton of instances of shadow dmg anyways

[tribal blade]

how about dance+sectec

[robust dust]

Hi, is it worse to macro dance/shadowblades and sectech (trinkets and pots) in one macro for opener?

[finite nexus]

Why is keepsake simming so damn high in all situations, when bloodmallet shows it as a dog trinket? I cant find any sim trinket setting, does it assume party with same trinket or something

[sinful zephyr]

Then I would like fuus solution more with shot in the dark like sectech

[vagrant fulcrum]

I did ask for this a while back, before they revealed current design

[keen dome]

Ye

[vagrant fulcrum]

It still wouldn’t solve this haste situation

[keen dome]

I think we've all asked for it at one time or another 'cos it's such a clean way to design the interaction

[vagrant fulcrum]

They need a better solution than what they gave us

[keen dome]

It wouldn't solve it, but ti would make it smoother imo.

[keen dome]

haha

[vagrant fulcrum]

Lust doesn’t necessarily feel good even

[tribal blade]

spoilers

for future sub

[vagrant fulcrum]

That’s it35 mins and I’m free

From this cursed 14 hr night shift

[keen dome]

12.1 tier set is going to be 2 charges of SecTec, quote me if I'm right

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[keen dome]

damn, 14 hours

You are either a medical professional, a security person, or in IT.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Goin home, smoking the fattest J then passing out, girl coming sat night so it’s lit

[vagrant fulcrum]

Security atm, lovely building

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, I was right

[vagrant fulcrum]

Here’s the spooky music always on cafeteria - walking into this shit at midnight in a deathly silent building is a meme

[keen dome]

Hahaha

Damn

[sinful zephyr]

And somewhere is written Redrum in blood? creepy

[keen dome]

well it's a cafateria so I assume ketchup

[vagrant fulcrum]

There’s some weird parts of the building

[solemn hedge]

there is this advice on wowhead. i do not have the light company guidon but the Emberwing Feather. 4 set obv. should i still hold the second dance in blades?

685 haste with flask atm

[pastel lark]

If u can fit a second ST I would say yes

[shadow snow]

i have 700 haste too, but the way cds come, i never use shadow dance without sectech. Is this right or wrong?

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pastel lark]

it’s right

[shadow snow]

i see in the aoe sim, once in a while it presses it alone, very rarely but it does

[jade oasis]

maybe during blades ?

[shadow snow]

yeah but if i do that during blades i dont get dance with a sectech, i tried it yesterday

[pastel lark]

I think it’s because sec tec will be up in a few second

With 700 haste and guidon u have 2 sec tec during blades if u delay Ue second danse

[shadow snow]

so its not posible to fit a 3 dance?

[keen steppe]

No

[tight roost]

You guys Play Companion or Puzzle Box in m+

And I got 20% Haste so normally I dont need more

[south pelican]

am i crazy for wanting to craft this? https://i.imgur.com/jv4qzMy.png

[green torrent]

do we ever use slice and dice in a trash pull?

[south pelican]

already have dagger and belt of course, and not clearing mythic cosmos

[shadow urchin]

would see if pvp neck and other craft would be better

also if youre all 6/6 hero items, just spending crests on myth items from vault might be better instead of craft

[dry flame]

Just bake ST in SD, Symbols in SD, Blades in SD, let SD transform into Shadowstrike on use. Remove all our buttons. Do it Lizzard, do it

[pastel lark]

I would consider other options since haste have à cap
I maybe consider crit masteries ring
But ring it’s kinda not s hard to get in m+ so I would rather consider neck or other craft in my opinion

[gaunt goblet]

Guys, why is it mandatory to have ~18% haste?
Cause because of Sec Tech bug, you don't get extra finisher after it and it turns out that extra second of Shadow Dance is spent on shadowstrike or suriken storm.
As I see it you usually get smth like this:
0:00 - start of dance + Sec Tech
1:00 - shadow strike/ suriken storm
2:00 - finisher
3:00 - finisher
4:00 - shadow strike/ suriken storm
5:00 - finisher
6:00 - finisher
7:00 - shadow strike/ suriken storm
And then shadow dance ends before you hit another finisher.

So basically you usually only get extra combo generator during shadow dance for the price of ~640 stat

[jade oasis]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dry flame]

You want 684-700 haste, just about

Gives you some leeway

[tulip light]

There is a hero track haste mastery neck from PvP so I would craft this right now

[ashen warren]

do we play heal reduction poison in some keys ?

[dry flame]

I think some sub rogues play wound poison on the first packs in Seat, but generally not really

i think there are cases in MC too, but haven't looked into it

[keen dome]

Tereace on the big boys that heal maybe, too

[dry flame]

Personally, if the key is high enough to matter, i'd be playing Assa, and if I play assa, im not playing Wound poison

[tired ridge]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[finite nexus]

Yes? Passively, but yes.

[tribal blade]

true the prio you deal compared to sub probably negates the wound poison

[tribal blade]

the only time you think about snd is on the first pull or if snd has dropped

you can cast 1 evis during gather before going into cds

[finite nexus]

You also do coup procs macroed, so youll get it passively in mega aoe

[tribal blade]

you will yeah

i just like doing that to have snd rolling when going into cds

[shadow lance]

Sometimes, I SnD between packs before my cp start dropping

[tribal blade]

that too

might as well

you're gonna gen full CP from strike with premed

[finite nexus]

Yes thats also a small minmax

But it honestly doesent matter during omega fingerblast cd pop

[tribal blade]

it honestly doesn't really do much haha, just extends your snd and gives less chance for it to fall off for whatever reason if there's a delay

i just really like doing the 1 evis during gather

if only CTTC procced off every finisher

[finite nexus]

Y, during tott its pretty safe to just go slam ham

During gather

[keen dome]

I sometimes S&D because I wanna push button

and it feels like I'm reloading my damage

[finite nexus]

Insert bring back swirly ball picture

[tribal blade]

you can low roll rng and not get coup fast in cds

you get stuck at 3 EB

[finite nexus]

Deffo, but thats not happing a lot

[tribal blade]

i always evis so i have no idea how often it happens tbh haha

wait that's stupid

nvm

i'm actually brain dead

was troubleshooting something and my brain is completely fried right now

[finite nexus]

[keen dome]

Brains are overrated

What good are they

Now, if we all had Brians

[modern sentinel]

[dry flame]

https://giphy.com/gifs/xyrnix-xypher-no-brain-meme-d8zVhen5G8y4un6veM

[tribal blade]

me no good thinky

brain no thinky so

[keen dome]

My morning routine is to argue in trade with the worst people. It keeps me sharp.

[dry flame]

That's what high end raiding is, right? You work on the muscle memory so you don't have to think

[modern sentinel]

Me press button good in row

[dry flame]

Patterns, repetition, same-same, no-different, brain happy

Tank moves differently one pull =

[dusky yacht]

Bossman say he angry I no step out fire, but bossman don’t know I click cloak of shadow, hehe bossman silly

[modern sentinel]

Me got good 2 dagger, me maybe stab boss try

[dusky yacht]

Stab boss good but no forget hug egirl emote many time too

[dry flame]

I think it's clear why we are the least played class

[dusky yacht]

Most challenged class

[modern sentinel]

[dry flame]

[dusky yacht]

[simple locust]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• **The first dance tracker

[gleaming crane]

Guys is it better to Play gideon trinket in m+ than puzzle

[green torrent]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[cold citrus]

9 out of the 10 highest rated sub rogues are using box it seems

[tribal blade]

TRUE

that's why i think it's so important for people to put a lot of time into learning their spec inside and out and being able to play it under pressure

because if you don't

when the pressure hits

you can't function

[short radish]

not enough people hit dummies

and it really shows

acutally

one really big one is lura

[fleet wharf]

what is there to practice this season though

[short radish]

idk

its still muscle memory

[fleet wharf]

like can I see the sectech and shadow dance cd coming down?

press them both at the same time

wow

such complexity

i am fucking blown away

[short radish]

well its also pressing things

while paying attention to procs

in dance

[tribal blade]

after doing log review for someone

apparently a lot

[short radish]

like yeah sure its evis finisher

but then sometimes its evis finisher finisher

[tribal blade]

also all specs are easier now

[short radish]

and sure you can look

but you also kinda get a feel of when things are going to happen

[tribal blade]

but the same people who were struggling before with their rotations in my raid guild

[short radish]

the more you play

[tribal blade]

are still struggling

makes me think it's less to do with how hard rotations are

and it's more so putting the spec into practice on a fight

like when to send stuff/hold/uptime/etc etc

[fleet wharf]

I def agree this takes time, but what spec doesn't? my point is that this is about as barebones as complexity gets, no?

[tribal blade]

for sure yeah

[grand hemlock]

How do folks go about using puzzle box mid encounter/key?

[tribal blade]

i think there is a lot of cumbersome stuff happening with sub that adds complexity tbh