subtlety

[lilac stag]

berserk sounds good. Maybe oh versatility

[wild vine]

Fam its called survival. You go in barebones

[hollow spear]

[wild vine]

It aint survival if you got all the consumables with you

[hollow spear]

Why would I sim if I could just bother you guys?

[lilac stag]

Hunter having better survivability than assa and outlaw is hilarious.

[wild vine]

BUT ITS ONE OF THE TANKIEST CLASSES NOW

[hollow spear]

How much less DR does assa have than sub?

[lilac stag]

how much stronger is concrete over paper with no energy to press a defensive?

[small vortex]

dance gives 10%

[tidal solstice]

you need more than just a 1h for outlaw, you need vers gear and ideally to drop all mastery so.... you need an entirely different set of gear compeltely

[small vortex]

trickster is 5% from fazed iirc?

[tidal solstice]

which makes outlaw that much more dogwater

[wild vine]

We kinda were talking about weapons tho

[tidal solstice]

so you can spin more plates for less dmg and a profile flatter than the burning man blackrock desert

[rigid delta]

Is Guidon only necessary before we get 4set?

[lilac stag]

guidon is necessary.

[small vortex]

guidon is just bis

[tidal solstice]

i got a hero one from raid tonight

[hollow spear]

all hail Guido

[tidal solstice]

its SO GOOD

[small vortex]

i got myth guidon week 1 🙂

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-rodian-waving-waves-wave-gif-24657316

[small vortex]

but now im gearing the lock so...

[tidal solstice]

im gearing a resto druid

[rigid delta]

I got a heroic guidon and just got puzzle

[tidal solstice]

need a heroic puzzle, 30+ runs

seen 5 of them drop so far. all needed ofc

[lilac stag]

just run mythic guidon on assa

[haughty mural]

If they dont give it to udk‘s

[cursive tundra]

@tulip gorge @lilac moss @wet atlas https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/first-dance-tracker
addon is up and running, I was testing it all day yesterday and today, runs fine in M+
if anyone has pointers/ideas/requests, let me know

[hallow mortar]

i did first AA on my ret yesterday and got puzzle box with leech on it, did not even know its good 😄

[tulip gorge]

thank you sir

[lilac stag]

our first one went to BDK.

[wet atlas]

Great work!

[cursive tundra]

there is another addon, but that uses C_UnitAuras.GetPlayerAuraBySpellID and that will not work in keys

[tulip gorge]

I find it insane they didn't add it to CDM

[shadow copper]

Hmmmm is it more worth to get my last piece for 4p(hero track) or pick up the myth legs and wait a week to catalyze

[hollow spear]

Idk, I just wing it with tfd

Never cared about it in tww either

[tribal blade]

we were talking about weapons

[lilac stag]

I will behave myself, for now.

[tribal blade]

❤️

oh davyn literally already said what i said lol

i didn't read that far down

[lilac stag]

You notice all of our my class sucks rerollers seem to have disappeared?

I still can’t believe we had DKs in here wanting to reroll

[tulip gorge]

dk feels bad to play

[lilac stag]

bench feels worse

[tulip gorge]

I quit raiding once we got to heroic alleria

it's unbelievable how dogshit the raid is for melee

[red flame]

I unironically feel like every single tier is shit for melee
Or at least seems like everybody says this every single season

[tulip gorge]

everyone says that the tier is bad for melee

every tier

but this time around it's true

[red flame]

Been hearing it nonstop since tww s1

[tulip gorge]

also melee are undertuned compared to ranged

[lilac stag]

I got to use my raid utility on chim. Numbing poison was huge.

[tidal salmon]

Why take rogue when you can have another aug evoker

[red flame]

Token atro
Also thankfully my guild can’t even find evokers so I’m safe (I’d be safe anyways but I digress)

I just live vicariously through all the other raiders when we get to Paladins

[tidal salmon]

My group has two rogues and I am the benched one this season

[tulip gorge]

I will try to make my return in 12.0.5

I'm hoping they will buff some melee classes more

[red flame]

We also have 2 rogues

[tidal salmon]

I main sin, they want me to play subtlety but I'm kinda terrible at this three button rotation comparatively to sin's therefore I'm kinda cooked

[lusty narwhal]

2 rogues? in this economy?

[tulip gorge]

sub legit feels great to play

[random mason]

If your tanks move the boss well it's fine imo

If they dont

[tulip gorge]

I started as windwalker monk

[cursive tundra]

how is sin now in keys? kinda tempted to try after today's buffs

but sub is so chill guy

[tulip gorge]

and I basically rage quit when I saw ranged dps doing double my dps

[cursive tundra]

shuriken + bp

[tidal salmon]

Sub is better in keys in m+ still imo, but sin is okay

[tulip gorge]

assa will probably be better in higher keys

man I can't wait to get aoe blind back

[tidal salmon]

Maybe but idk tbh

[tulip gorge]

it feels dogshit to not have any sort of aoe stops

[random mason]

Yeah the dmg number tuning is dumb

[cosmic dust]

Casual also said sin>sub in higher keys if Im not mistaken

[fallow nimbus]

I am here to raid and not sit on the bench. Recruiting 2 rogues is just wrong since zul happened

[tulip gorge]

and it's more infuriating how you get denied uptime all the time as melee

because you have to move out of melee again and again

but ranged dps are just jacking off in a corner

[random mason]

I think thats good

But its not good how little friction ranged have in comparison on some fights

Box out your ranged with void expulsion as payback

[tulip gorge]

the combination of being undertuned while being stressed out with mechanics just killed the raid for me

[small vortex]

i got asked "what would you play other than rogue"

[keen dome]

Another Dream kill on heroic and yet again not a single trinket drops

love this design blizz

[copper trail]

any experience with these trinkets? I got BIS trinket in hero, but the vessel in myth sims 300 dmg worse, but "large" margin of error, im kinda unsure what to take in my vault

[strange harness]

I saw some people keeping the second charge of SD until getting ST

It is better to keep or do the 8 secs duration of SB

[random mason]

Tbh i am considering looking for something that can also tank or heal just foreasier m+ groups, almost went dk this tier for that

[small vortex]

thankfully for keys i only play high keys with an already formed group so im chillin

but i plan to try some sin in their resil keys at some point

since they have resil keys that are io for me

[random mason]

I just do 10s to 12s

And all my friends play dps as well

Listing keys as 3dps is just not great

[vast dust]

That’s my issue. Especially having come back again after being away since 2008.

[small vortex]

im pushing resil 18 rn, i feel this would be a nightmare getting into groups probably

but thankfully my funny io number gets my alts invited!

[keen dome]

is it actually funny

[raw mantle]

gaze

[small vortex]

its not funny sry i lied 🙁

[keen dome]

🙁

[small vortex]

3520

[keen dome]

not good enough

[small vortex]

it was funny like 2 keys ago

[keen dome]

it needs to be 6969 or 4200

[small vortex]

i got +2 io from a 12 pit yesterday

[keen dome]

so get timing those, uh. +50's?

[small vortex]

despite having a 16

[keen dome]

haha

[small vortex]

4200 is a crazy score ngl

[keen dome]

It'd be the funniest imo

second only to 6969

I'm gonna be happy with 3k though

I keep getting made to do 14's of keys I already have on 12/13.

And not the small ones.

[small vortex]

yeah i was just getting dragged into keys when they needed a 3rd

[empty minnow]

Is there a way to play a sound alert when Escalating Blade reaches 4 stacks and Coup de Grâce is ready to use?

[small vortex]

as you can maybe tell with 1 dungeon

[soft oriole]

My guild died so I am free from season 1 rogue, see you all when we are pumpers next season maybe

[keen dome]

now I'm being forced to do a +13 seat

dreadful

[vast dust]

Just Macro eviserate and coup together.

[empty minnow]

they work on the same button

I'm not always hitting evis in aoe

[lilac stag]

Just leave and never look back

Not worth it

[keen dome]

Rogue is always worth it, you get to be unique

in your suffering

[vast dust]

I macrod black powder and coup together for aoe

As solution to that

[dusky yacht]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[copper trail]

this worked wonders for me too

[empty minnow]

ty

[vast dust]

Respect to the Op Ivy profile pic

[strange harness]

Why in sims on trickster its using SD into storm?

[reef dagger]

should i get gloves, ring or trinket? my gloves and ring are currently hero quality

[fierce umbra]

is there anything to do before pulling in raid? such as use symbol in TWW

[deft ermine]

sim it

[vast dust]

Have you guys messed with spell animations at all? I’m trying to optimize my settings after returning from a hiatus from 2008

You can remove other players animations to see the field more right?

[lilac stag]

Nope

[vast dust]

Not a thing?

[lilac stag]

only thing you can do is disable particle effects, but that will also fuck with some raid and m+ mechanics

[lilac stag]

See answer above your question.

[vast dust]

Annoying

[lilac stag]

Welcome to wow

[lean sigil]

System > Graphics and set Spell Density to "Essential"

[tribal vortex]

I think that we have the option but it is not working 100%

Some spells you still see

[lilac stag]

That does shit all for other players

just gives frame rate boost for the most part

[vast dust]

Worth a try I guess

[lean sigil]

It should reduce effects

[lilac stag]

There’s a key word there

[lean sigil]

While you cannot completely disable all allied effects, lowering this setting and reducing Particle Density minimizes visual clutter significantly, specifically during raids and dungeons.

[vast dust]

So many unnecessary distracts in my melee range sometimes

[lilac stag]

it’s been like this since mop

[lean sigil]

That is from some guide

[vast dust]

Does it remove needed raid mechanic animations though or feels good?

[lean sigil]

Got it like that, not sure if it helps

No

[vast dust]

Cool. I try at least. Ty

[lilac stag]

Should and what it actually accomplishes are two different things. It doesn’t significantly reduce anything of importance when it comes to ground effect on ground effect on ground effect

[lean sigil]

Indy company tho

[lilac stag]

conc aura, devoker red circle of doom, healing circles… they all still overlap

Etc

Etc

Etc

[lean sigil]

If it removes 1 thing its still worth🥳

[vast dust]

That’s my thinking

[supple barn]

i was looking at these macros, wouldnt u wanna press blades before sending stech?

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[vast dust]

At least turn down the kablamo

[lilac stag]

Found the blizzard middle manager

[lean sigil]

There is no rogue managers

😂 😂

[lilac stag]

that would be bench manager

[lean sigil]

Funny they buff outlaw

Just to nerf the mega aoe

[supple barn]

unless your pressind blades, then your dance/stech macro

[lilac stag]

idk about buff. they redistributed existing dps profile

[supple barn]

or creating another keybind for inbetween blades dances??

[lean sigil]

They could get +10 flat

And still be bad

[hazy breach]

That is not true

[lilac stag]

We’d all be swapping if that happened

[lean sigil]

Lets get 3x outlaw stack back

[keen dome]

[supple barn]

using this macro would require another keybind for when blades isnt up ya? or am i dumb lol

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[hazy breach]

What

That macro doesnt do anything with blades

Just press blades before it

[supple barn]

ok lol so yeah i need to go to sleep

l 0 l

[dry flame]

Sims are weird, M+ sims lower for Dungeon Slice than trickster raid st

[latent remnant]

new week new vault means new sim where i get told throwing my haste down below 500 is a 5.8% gain

[sacred jewel]

its being casted at the exact same time, the order doesn’t matter in this case

[dusky yacht]

I don’t think dungeon slice sim works properly at all

[dry flame]

Do we know when they stopped? Because they were good

[dusky yacht]

Dunno, all I know is whenever I try it, it’s not realistic at all when I actually training dummy 5 target test my aoe dps, nor does it reflect in any way accurately my m+ overall dps or anything basically, so I don’t see the point

I just test my ST dps for topgear/droptimiser and assume if it sims better there it will be better

[dusky yacht]

Faqs explains why sims will tell you to drop haste

[latent remnant]

I know, I have been using the workaround already

At this point starting to wonder if its worth just listening to the sim and then slamming a haste flask instead of mastery

[thin spire]

Look at the macros on wow head they combine the 1st and 3rd macros listed above:

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
/use Potion

Id have two. One with SB & potion and one without

[dusky yacht]

I think people are just overvalueing the sims beyond st dps, like it’s good for testing your st performance/rotation or for helping you decide what to pick to a certain degree but it’s nowhere near perfect

[random mason]

Dungeonslice sim is not 5 target patchwerk sim

5 target dummies is 5 target patchwerk

[dusky yacht]

Neither are ever an accurate representation of neither m+ nor any other realistic situation

Which is my point

[thin spire]

My dungeon overall dps is typically pretty close to my dungeon slice sims

Around 130k

[latent remnant]

dungeon dps feels like a meme it just depends on how good your tank pulls

[thin spire]

That does play a large part in it

[dusky yacht]

Not only that but it depends on specific dungeon mechanics

[sacred gull]

I think dungeon slice sim is coherent for weekly keys with small pulls

[dry flame]

Well probably playing Assa in 14 or higher

[dusky yacht]

Some bosses drop my dps down by 30k because I’m doing the mechanics, in terms of dps it would be better for me to ignore mechanics and give my healer heart attacks the whole run

[sacred gull]

Fuu also advised to use dungeon slice to sim hectic add fights in raid

[iron plaza]

Hello guys, have a question regarding our Apex Talent, is it ok to BtE even if I have 1CP but I have the proc of the APEX ?

[dry flame]

It's never okay to BtE on Sub

[supple barn]

Ya I don’t think that macro would work, I tried it before going to bed and it never got past blades. I’ve also pulled an all nighter so

[iron plaza]

soz, wrong channel

[thin spire]

Use it all the time my man

[supple barn]

You using it on bar 1?

[lilac stag]

Macro works fine.

[thin spire]

Doesnt matter what bar you put it on

[tribal blade]

oh contrare

it does

[sacred gull]

I put guidon and SB on first macro and I press second macro with SD and ST, it works well for me

[thin spire]

Im listening

[tribal blade]

^ this

[lilac stag]

oldie but a goodie

[tribal blade]

that feels like a lifetime ago

[thin spire]

Mines on bar 1 but I am a bit confused why it matters

If someone wants to explain

[tribal blade]

if you put a macro on your non stealth bar

then go into stealth and try to use it

it won't be there anymore

[hallow mortar]

is sub back?

[thin spire]

Just put the macro on the bar in both stances? Lol

[hallow mortar]

chat moving so fast surely something good happen

[lilac stag]

back where?

[lilac stag]

Which proves the point, it matters

[hallow mortar]

@short radish did you recover from yout vault yet?

[supple barn]

But isn’t the entire point to save button presses

[hallow mortar]

just checking on you buddy

[short radish]

no

we got another gun and 0 guidons

[thin spire]

Its the same button in both stances

[supple barn]

My brain 💥💥

[hallow mortar]

noise

[short radish]

im so tilted

[hallow mortar]

you are chosen one

[short radish]

rate my opener

[lilac stag]

He got killed by a stingray. Unluck.

[tribal blade]

hrm

[sacred gull]

Graham helping people on rogue discord but actually proggessing on DH 😬

[short radish]

the rupture into CT x2 into rupture into another CT

[hallow mortar]

is that paladins

[short radish]

🙂

[tribal blade]

HUH WHAT

[lilac stag]

That’s pretty impressive

Have you considered using one button rotation?

[tribal blade]

oh nooooooo

dude you're the king of scuffed openers lol

i love it

even remembered to vanish>garrote before realizing something was missing heehee

[lilac stag]

pull timer hits 2 and @short radish hits panic mode

[vast dust]

I use this too. Works great. Keep buttons the same on both stances/bars

[short radish]

yeah

[vale pine]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[thin spire]

The only reason it wouldnt work is if you dont have a global available for Secret Tech.

I typically SS > Puzzle > macro

[supple barn]

Hopefully potion isn’t last

[sullen spruce]

can someone send me a pic of their crafted belt pls

i wanna see something

the stats i mean

[vast dust]

I don’t have the potions in mine

[chilly kite]

starting to think its time to upgrade the ole pc, the button lag in 25-30 mans is just insane

[supple barn]

I have a 5090 and 7800x3d and had 40 frames yesterday

Does not matter

[vast dust]

This is mine. Works great.

[chilly kite]

3090 FE with a ryzen 5990x

[supple barn]

Obviously not always 40fps but the dips are crazy

[lilac stag]

Sniping Tool

[tribal blade]

omg the fabled phone pic of computer screen

/bow

[torpid heath]

Btw qt thanks to ur example now i do know how it works, u the goat

[chilly kite]

snip it bro

[haughty mural]

Based af

[chilly kite]

windows key + shift + s it will save your life

[supple barn]

I try it when I wake up in two hours for work and hate myself 🙂

Goodbye for now

[tribal blade]

OMG THE PHONE PIC OF THE PHONE PIC OF THE COMPUTER SCREEN

[short radish]

👍

[lilac stag]

Well you or fim could post it from the future

[tribal blade]

i can't, it would disrupt the space time continuum

[lilac stag]

Perhaps that’s what sub needs

[vast dust]

I don’t get it. Did I indulge in some sort of faux pas? Apparently lol

I don’t live in discord enough it seems lol

[lilac stag]

camera shots of the screen…

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

we still love you

[vast dust]

Well know I know, thanks. And nothing enrages a Xennial more than calling them a boomer. Congrats.

lol

[lilac stag]

awe did you get filtered.

[vast dust]

I always find it amusing.

Boomers are my parents

It’s cool. Have at me.

[upbeat cradle]

Sorry that you have weird owl humans as parents

[fallow glade]

i love pictures of screens because some people take it too seriously (in reddit usually), and get mad about it

[lilac stag]

Imagine anyone getting mad in here

[lilac stag]

Please don’t mistake us for #outlaw

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/code-quantum-gif-22664490

[lilac stag]

I do enjoy the fact that your 10pm sarcasm and my 7am sarcasm mesh well.

@tribal blade is it time?

[short radish]

thank fuck that pull wasnt on the opener

[short radish]

i still green parsed anyway

[lilac stag]

yeah but it’s over

[short radish]

fuck im so shit at sin rogue

[lilac stag]

Should played outlaw… the cleave spec…

[short radish]

if i got a 1h weap

i honestly would have

[thin spire]

Id quit wow before I played outlaw

[random mason]

outlaw is fun for a bit

until you look at the damage meter at least

[swift tinsel]

I'm raiding without one now

[gilded garden]

really tough choice this week considering I will likely down Imperator and Vorasius myth

[fiery fog]

this guy stole my vault

i just took boots

[gilded garden]

boots potential drop from imperator though :/

[lilac stag]

dagger

[gilded garden]

vorasius is free dagger though if it drops

[fiery fog]

"if"

[gilded garden]

im thinking about boots or gloves

[fiery fog]

if anything drops you dont need a vault at all

[gilded garden]

yea i probably should hold until i got my myth raid over huh

[short radish]

wouldn't be me week 3 without seeing a single mythic vorasius weap

[fiery fog]

you mean this

had 0 items from hc and normal raiid going into mythic and got mythic guidon and this dagger week 1

felt good

[gilded garden]

"insert congrats happy for you meme"

[lilac stag]

check this guy out thinking there’s deterministic loot dropping just for his rogue in raid.

surely there are zero other leather users or hunters looking to make better use of a dagger drop

[fiery fog]

nah dev dh is ass they wont need it

[lilac stag]

boomie boots

or cata any boots

[thin spire]

I had a hunter take my dagger in Voidsphere heroic

[gilded garden]

if you have a survival hunter in your myth raid you are already doomed

[fiery fog]

see dev is the worst spec by far

[red flame]

Rare rogue W

[lilac stag]

Yeah look how doomed SV is

[fiery fog]

all rogue specs are in the top7

holy

[red flame]

Fr tho

[gilded garden]

Poggers

scath pulling the average down maybe

[fiery fog]

ngl

its really sad how all 3 rogue specs are so ass

like a pure melee dps class and every spec sucks

[gilded garden]

Tbh its not as bad - rogue is just peak mid atm

[keen dome]

Does anyone have the puzzlebox gif of throwing it into the ocean

[wraith sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[wise fulcrum]

Theyre fun to play. Just don’t do damage comparatively.

[keen dome]

thank you

[upbeat cradle]

Is the damage from the ring set determined by the highest ilvl ring ? Lowest ? Or by the average of both ilvl ?

[fiery fog]

just looked at all bosses seperately

all rogue specs are either barely mid

[gilded garden]

just had a Brew roll away guidon hero because he wants it for WW

[fiery fog]

or just bottom dps

[thin spire]

They should really bring personal loot back. If people can roll need they will... no matter what

[gilded garden]

i mean the trinket is in the brew loot - but its garbage for tanks

[short radish]

pretty average for ww as well iirc

[gilded garden]

ye

[sharp sapphire]

i passed mythic box over heroic guidon from the vault today. Played a bit with the champion version of it. With every press of the button I hated it even more

[lilac stag]

It’s bis for bdk

[gilded garden]

guidon is also not completely simple because of the delay you have to account for before Dance

[lilac stag]

it’s simple. Just annoying.

counting to 1 is the hard part for key slammers

[fiery fog]

i just press it with the global before going into dance

[swift tinsel]

can be trivialized with arc ui as well

[solemn lance]

1 1000

[swift tinsel]

or any addon that lets you make a custom bar with miliseconds

[dusky yacht]

But isn’t cold blood passive now guys smoothbrain emoji

[gilded garden]

is there a way to change the BP/Coup macro so it casts BP if youre out of range for coup?

[sly shore]

no

[swift tinsel]

#TeamNoBPCoupMacro

[gilded garden]

yikes

[lilac stag]

get in range or drop the macro

[swift tinsel]

I mean you can always just press your bp bind

[sharp sapphire]

I have included arcane torrent in my makro which has a global... so the 1st guidon its never messed up. but arcane torrent has 2 min CD and dont line perfectly

[lilac stag]

Pretty sure that macro is the bind for anyone using it

[swift tinsel]

skill diff

wait does it count as an optimization to have separate evisc/coup and bp binds

[lilac stag]

Remember 2 button spec

[gilded garden]

they gotta include if functions in macro creation

[lilac stag]

is hard

[swift tinsel]

or just know when to coup instead of bp and not rely on a macro

[lilac stag]

my class / spec is too simple. why can’t I simplify it even more?

[thin spire]

Or just dont be out of range 🙂

[swift tinsel]

idk it solves a problem we don't really have

[fiery fog]

havent you heard of the 1 button rotation

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[solemn lance]

I'd say in general you want to be balls deep in the mobs to keep your auto attacks going

[swift tinsel]

you can quite easily track Escalating Blade

and if you see the number 4

[hazy breach]

Yes not autoattacking is really really bad

Since thats where a large part of your combo points come from

[lilac stag]

You know when OBR doesn’t work? When you’re out of range.

[solemn lance]

Range feels like a daggers length

If that helps

[fiery fog]

damn

[gilded garden]

after the 20th m+ dungeon in the day its maybe more chill to have the macro instead of being pumped full with cheap energy drinks all day long thinking about something like that

[fiery fog]

now you need a range addon

to know if youre in range

[lilac stag]

It light ups you press evis.

[fiery fog]

literally unplayable
just play bm hunter

[swift tinsel]

if its your 20th m+ of the day that's plenty of practice to just play without the macro

[lilac stag]

All the cognitive load of ret paladin

[gilded garden]

lmao

[lilac stag]

just 1/2 the dmg

[swift tinsel]

rotation should be more or less automatic by that point

[fiery fog]

just let me oneshot everything?

[sacred flame]

yo guys, can someone help. In our blades windows, do we instant pop the second dance. Or do we wait until sectec is backup right at the end to pop it.

[fiery fog]

let the game play for me

let me watch on my cuck chair

[lilac stag]

We have a macro for that, if you can count to 1 after using guidon

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

you can line dance up with last 8 sec of blades if you have 4pc

[sacred flame]

awesome thank you

[gilded garden]

nice class diversity blizzard

[compact spindle]

hi guys, would anyone be able to tell me what i am doing wrong ? I felt like i had my rotation down really well but then in actuality it looks like i did pretty horribly, any input or tips would be very appreciated. ive been trying to review it myself but i just cant pinpoint what i should do to improve

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kN16Zht7rD2cATWL?fight=last&type=damage-done

[bold basalt]

Is it worth taking dagger from 2. boss out of the vault if my guild reclears?

[latent remnant]

depends on if you believe that its going to even drop on reclears

[coral bear]

Hi guys, was curious, when is it worth to proc the shuriken storm 100% crit when youre doing single target damage?

[hazy breach]

No

[coral bear]

No = never, thank U ELEEEM

I got a 97 on Imperator mythic

[compact spindle]

the only thing i can think of is maybe not utilizing coup de grace as well as i can?

[lilac stag]

If you can guarantee it will drop, then don’t take it.

I don’t get why people are so afraid to take a weapon. If it drops and you don’t need it, a hunter gets it and the raid dps still goes up

[sharp sapphire]

i am no expert in analyzing logs, but a good place to start is to visit wowanalyzer.com and put your name in ti

[lilac stag]

Or run 2x 289 weapons and craft a new embellishment.

[random mason]

Are survival hunters running dual wield?

[lilac stag]

Yep

[native parrot]

Yep

[lilac stag]

daggers help focus generating

and they’re pumping

but it’s like giving a rogue a 1h over a DH

Not using it every fight

vs using it every fight

[random mason]

Oh yeah our SV hunter is dual wielding damn

Didnt even notice cause we had 0 dagger drops so far

Lots of 1h weapons tho which no one needed

[stuck dune]

Hey can I macro my light company trinket into dance or does it need to be used independently before dance ?

[random mason]

Use before dance

[stuck dune]

How many seconds before?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[stuck dune]

Ty

Eleem what’s ur delay tho between trink and dance

1 sec?

[hidden geyser]

As Trickster: With Midnight Season 1 4 piece + Light Company Guidon you want your second :ShadowDance: to cover the last 8 seconds of :ShadowBlades:, this means that you wont supercharge :SecretTechnique: but thats okay in this instance. Just be sure to cast it immediately on cooldown.

if i dont have guidon, i just send two shadow dances in a row during blades?

[dusky yacht]

Sick can you give me tips

[hollow spear]

Eleem, can you add a line in your FAQ that tells us how to get invited to weekly 10s?

[fiery fog]

switch to a meta class

[hollow spear]

I can't

[dusky yacht]

Instructions unclear topping dps as rogue now what

[fiery fog]

then you cant get invited to weekly 10s

since with a rogue you cant time them

[hollow spear]

I am cursed

[fiery fog]

(ignore that outlaw and assa are literally in some way m+ meta)

[dry flame]

from what i understood this is not the case when you lust pull? (as in you wait for your ST to come back for 2nd dance)

[hollow spear]

Lust is the exception to the rule

Since it turbo-charges your sectec cdr basically

[dusky yacht]

Really? What do you guys do when lust is up then?

Just double sec in one dance?

[hollow spear]

no

[fiery fog]

second dance as second finisher

i think

[hollow spear]

I supercharge my sectec

[hidden geyser]

colo first finisher or second?

[hollow spear]

idk

doesnt matter

[hidden geyser]

i mean it should last the full 8 seconds

[dusky yacht]

Interesting, I was wondering why my lust dps was lacking, this might be it

[dry flame]

opposite,
you hold 2nd dance during lust pull, but you chain normally

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

I’m just a boy

[hidden geyser]

but if we get guidon it might be the case for every

[dry flame]

i didnt get guidon until this morning so i am not sure myself

does it need to be certain ilvl for that to be the case?

[hollow spear]

you should just stick to the !guidon command

[dusky yacht]

I have champ guidon and I’m popping second dance at 8 sec in all cases with probably way too much space for sectec in lust so idk what to do in lust tbh

[hollow spear]

during lust, you can supercharge your sectec for sure

[dry flame]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[dusky yacht]

So pop dance to get the supercharges?

And sectec immediately after

[hollow spear]

If you follow the guidon command, you have two situations:

with lust: your sectec cd will be short enough to get it back for your 2nd dance (probably second, maybe even first finisher)
without lust: your sectec cd is too long and you will miss out on the supercharged cp

[swift tinsel]

it really is that simple

[hollow spear]

Just make lust affect deepening shadows as well, so I can have a 30 second dance with TFD

[chilly kite]

whats your guys gcd count for dance?

[dry flame]

monkey paw: you're always first soak on Chim mythic

[hollow spear]

I will pay off people to get a shadowstep chain to the adds

[compact spindle]

this is only possible via macroing them all together right? so like /cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique?

[hazy breach]

Yeah but it doesnt really matter that much with the blades

As long as you do it with sectech+dance youre fine

[compact spindle]

oh okay thank you

[keen dome]

Guidon doesn't exist in the drop table.

[dusky yacht]

You have to manifest it

insert chinese symbols after each text

Manifest guidon
Parse powerfully
Bring pride to raidleader
Spread genetic information

[simple locust]

what weapon enchants could work for both assa and sub in m+? i have crafted a dagger and enchanted arcane mastery on it, i wanted to use ren dorei on my other dagger for sub, but for assa guides say berserker or other secondaries

[naive creek]

If I use both dance charges during shadow blades, I won't have dance up for second sectech at the end of blades and that is optimal?

[compact spindle]

Manifest guidon (龍花山海風)
Parse powerfully (電火空星月)
Bring pride to raidleader (虎雲雷川森)
Spread genetic information (夢雪天光石)

[broken seal]

Guys with 256 ilvl ive done 80k dmg overal on magister terrace with multiple pull wipe. So I could have achieve 85k maybe. Is it a good or okay dps for this dungeon ?

[alpine wraith]

depends a lot on pull size

as sub you could do 100k or 150k

[random pecan]

Can someone help me with my vault? I simmed it and the trinket (which is our BIS) obviously simmed higher. however its only heroic and we plan to go into mythic this reset. second item is my champion wrist that i can change into 272 wrist with socket.
Im leaning towards trinket even thought its heroic
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2EzU8qsP53UVmmfbe59QVS

[alpine wraith]

get that trink yea

[lilac stag]

2x rendori

[alpine wraith]

wrists are whatever

you can craft them anyway in some weeks

[random pecan]

Geus if it drops ill make a few people happy then i as i can skipp roll :p

[broken seal]

you said overall or for a pull ? for a pull i was doing easily 160-200k. This is mainly at the end of the key (+10) but of course it depends of a lot of things

[alpine wraith]

overall

[lilac stag]

You and everyone in your raid wants that trinket

[broken seal]

Okay thats suck for me basically

[alpine wraith]

your gear is very low still

so just try to focus on gearing before dps for now

[stuck dune]

Shadow dance

Mt

[haughty mural]

Atleast they made this tiers hoc only for int users right

[lilac stag]

of course they did

[dusky yacht]

Lmao it’s beautiful

[broken seal]

Yes for sure. but it still interesting to know if my dps/gearstats is okay not necessarily on the top of the ladder

[north garnet]

I have 2 now

[keen dome]

Damn

Gimme one

[haughty mural]

We have puzzle box

[dusky yacht]

Saved 4ever

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[dusky yacht]

We don’t talk about that around these here parts

https://tenor.com/view/came-to-the-wrong-hood-beat-up-power-rangers-gif-15979816

[lilac stag]

if I’m in on paladins, I’m running my guidon

[haughty mural]

Maybe ill just roll on guidon with our udk and our rogue

[dusky yacht]

One of us

[haughty mural]

Even on shout duty i always am

[lilac stag]

For our first drop, UH had heroic and it was like a 600 uppy. BDK was a 3100 upgrade.

[crystal bone]

im using a normal plume and myth guidon in all content, fk that box man

[haughty mural]

We have brew and vdh

[muted tapir]

Im using a Myth Feather until I can get my Guidon because I hate that box so much.

[lilac stag]

Vdh coming for it

[haughty mural]

Ye

But he wont get it

[swift tinsel]

vdh gotta roll with double on-use so they don't fold on pull lol

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

What are you playing this tier. Did it finally get sorted?

[swift tinsel]

with the shield trinkets

[crystal bone]

our vdh got myth gaze in vault

[dusky yacht]

Reported for ragebait

[crystal bone]

and it rolled avoidance

[swift tinsel]

huge

[crystal bone]

[lilac stag]

our backup tank got myth gaze in vault after randomly pugging it

[dusky yacht]

Assasination plot when?

[swift tinsel]

never

[crystal bone]

SOON

[swift tinsel]

lamest spec in-game

[crystal bone]

tm

[crystal bone]

i think he meant assassinating the vdh

in game ofc

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah that should be easy

love how all their cds are for damage

cept meta

and you can get omega cucked by apex

[vocal torrent]

next tier when they forget that our tier bonus gave us like +15% overall and they never buffed to compensate while buffing sin and outlaw

[swift tinsel]

random proc defensive is such a troll apex

[haughty mural]

It really is

[swift tinsel]

its the exact opposite of what you want as a tank

predictable Oh Shit button

[dusky yacht]

Imagine we get 15% overall from 4p and it’s the only reason we’re not obviously underpowered.

[vocal torrent]

surely blizzard will do something about a pure dps class thats been around since classic slowly sliding to lower and lower play rates

[swift tinsel]

huehuehue

surely

[broken seal]

btw do you know if those sub with 100k dps use any enchant =

[dusky yacht]

Small indie inexperienced company uwu

[swift tinsel]

its had a very low playrate for years and years and years

[vocal torrent]

It always had a low play rate but never this catastrophically low, we got no players, no devs, no feedback, no answers

[dusky yacht]

But at least the Rogue forums get instant replies from that night elf rogue who always adds surfer emojis at the end of his bs

[swift tinsel]

you mean the PVP RP'er legend Mafic

he roleplays as a pvper

which explains a lot

[dusky yacht]

Clearly an amazing player with deep insights and superior intellect

I can tell from having had a deep insight once before in my lifetime

[keen dome]

I roleplay as being idle a lot

[dusky yacht]

[crystal bone]

[swift tinsel]

I'm tempted to bench myself for raid tomorrow

and its only hc crown

after literal terrorist Void Explusions last night

[dusky yacht]

Some classes want a break, some are burned out. We Rogues don’t have that problem. We’re not only making amazing profits gathering herbs and ores, but we’re also up to date on all our tv series and hentai anime series.

[crystal bone]

does your guild kill the last add in p1 before 2nd blades is up?

[swift tinsel]

and people wanting to lust P1 bc they thought that would help kill big adds faster while also facetanking void droplets in narnia instead of killing them on boss

[swift tinsel]

nope we usually get to it as blades is ready

[drifting oak]

First time i open sub chat on accident and this is what blesses my eyes

[swift tinsel]

and it enraged a few times last night

[crystal bone]

i was able to clutch a 99 because of that reason i think

2nd blades on that add is big dam

[swift tinsel]

bc people would hit big adds with arrows multiple times and clear the add debuff

[dusky yacht]

You have been blessed by yet another quality Glenn-post, like and subscribe for more high end experiences

[swift tinsel]

so they took forever to kill

idk I just really hate that fight as melee

[crystal bone]

yea rip parses there

[swift tinsel]

I said even in normal that they need to proactively bring small adds to big adds

but idk why that's insane tech to them

[keen dome]

What is with people inventing the strangest solves for heroic crown

Which is so fucking solved right now

[swift tinsel]

yeah idk

I was immensely frustrated last night

also we split raid for p2

so by first tank swap whole arena was flooded

[keen dome]

urgh

I've seen multiple groups try that and it simply doesn't work

I don't get it

[sullen hare]

They just buffed 66.6__6__% (repeating, of course) of rogue specs by at least 1% in single target. I don't understand the problem

[keen dome]

justh ave alleria on the edge and swap on the shield

[swift tinsel]

idk our ranged are just too tunnely on dps and ignore mechanics way too much bc the guild ethos is just to try and brute force everything with ilvl without actually learning the dance of a fight

and a lot of the time that's fine

but sometimes you just gotta do the damn dance

[keen dome]

This legit hurts me.

[swift tinsel]

ye in normal we split the raid melee on simulacrum and ranged on alleria and just had tanks swap

[keen dome]

I've been through two potenital Mythic guidls that try to raid this way and even after I explain how to do a fight they refuse to try it, and just go back to their way

I don't fucking get it

[swift tinsel]

yeah, its just really really frustrating

[gleaming furnace]

quick (maybe stupid) question for the puzzle box users: how do you go about using it since it has an annoying cast time? do you just cast it then vanish while the tank is pulling, do you open - stand in the middle and hope for the best during the cast? i dunno how to approach it or if i value stealth to much as sub

[swift tinsel]

and a lot of people in guild are very slow to adopt strat changes

which sets prog back considerably

or the tanks will do something wildly different with movement or positioning and communicate exactly zero of it to the actual raid

[lilac stag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487881361506173028/puzzlebox.gif

[swift tinsel]

so when they do it it completely blindsides everyone

[keen dome]

lmao, dude in this Voraious pug demanding we report someone who left after an 1:30+ of pulls and no progress

[swift tinsel]

its all just compounding on a raid I already actively dislike

to the point where I just really don't want to play this class in this raid

this is probs the least fun I've had raiding since Sanctum

[gleaming furnace]

i agree, but its too good to not use no?

[lilac stag]

I mean you didn’t want to play it in beta so not much changed.

[swift tinsel]

yeah

idk I wanted to at least give it a shot

[lilac stag]

something 4 DKs in roster

[swift tinsel]

but I'm regretting it

[hazy breach]

Why would you vanish

[swift tinsel]

its purely just discord vibes keeping me engaged atm

[lilac stag]

I tried to help

[hazy breach]

Just do it right before blades

But also its definitely not too good to use, you can play guidon too

[fair stump]

Hm, we just all focus the simulacrum, are we supposed to split?

[swift tinsel]

I can play alts in guild keys

[swift tinsel]

doing it that way has caused considerable problems for us in heroic

splitting*

[lilac stag]

Entirely dependent on how much you value a 3 minute trinket

[keen dome]

I found one group with vibes I liked, but it wasn't fun to raid 'cos my correct raid strat got used for one pull, we made progress, then they deemed it wrong and went back to wiping in P1 lol

[fair stump]

If only it dropped

[swift tinsel]

I honestly gave up telling ranged to run adds in instead of facetanking them in the middle of nowhere

[gleaming furnace]

ty for the input, i'm just debating since i have puzzlebox on hero track and guidon on champ track. i'm mostly playing keys since i kinda dislike raiding. got lucky and got guidon but i don't know if i will ever get the hero track version

[keen dome]

I want good vibes and cool people who are also down to learn boss mechanics and kill them.

[swift tinsel]

our boomkin auto-aggroing all of them with starfall and watching a herd of them punch him in the face in the middle of the room has tilted me off the planet enough

[keen dome]

lmao

[swift tinsel]

to the point where our RL told him to stack on the boss

[keen dome]

just boomkin things

Why do people refuse to stack on the boss anyway

[swift tinsel]

idk

[shy flare]

Droptimizer on dungeon slice setting is telling me heroic guidon is a loss over my renown trinket/champ gaze combo, should I trust that?

[lilac stag]

Have you seen the visuals in melee?

[keen dome]

I guess we melee brains will never understand the desire to be in a different post code that ranged have

[swift tinsel]

bc you get a huge indicator if you have to run out with void explusion anyways

[keen dome]

[swift tinsel]

yeah obelisks in melee and tanks refusing to move to accommodate that is another fight I have lost

[keen dome]

You just move the boss slightly to the right!

[swift tinsel]

two gigantic circles on top of the boss means stack in the two gigantic circles right?!

[keen dome]

Also damn, voraious group gonna collapse. No chance of a kill but i still wanted reps on it. At least I got boots off imperator

that was a nice gain. If I kill ChimM this week I'll have a shot at guidon in vault.

[swift tinsel]

we legit have the most anti-melee tanks around I swear to god

[keen dome]

Haha

[swift tinsel]

they make getting good uptime or avoiding area denial a literal Herculean effort

its so maddening

[steel wyvern]

Reroll

Time to play devourer

Or auggie

[swift tinsel]

and you legitimately cannot tell our main tank anything about movement or positioning

[keen dome]

goddamn some people take every shot they can in this game

[verbal kelp]

How can we cheese the last boss in skyreach? can we vanish or cloak before being picked up?

[swift tinsel]

can't main swap and get loot for the rest of the season from raid

[steel wyvern]

Man up

Play devourer dh

[dusky yacht]

He looks ready 2 weeks ago

Or 3

[keen dome]

He's ready to do Mythic Voraious

[dusky yacht]

I mean he can do the mechs

[steel wyvern]

Bro will die every add spawn

[lilac stag]

honestly just swap. Your heroic loot isn’t worth stressing over. Play something you enjoy on mythic.

[steel wyvern]

Bro will die to air actually

[keen dome]

they ddin't want to invite him

I'm sad

[dusky yacht]

Healer problem

[keen dome]

then the group collapsed

[steel wyvern]

True actually

Fucking idiot healers

[keen dome]

When I was more actively raid leading, you'd ALWAYS get like grossly under iLevel people applying to content outside their level (I'm talking, like, 210 people applying to heroic crown level)

[gleaming furnace]

+10 Skyreach - Demon Hunter, Devourer - 231 ilvl (Note: 2.6k on main) [Accept] [Decline]

[keen dome]

it'ss o funny

[dusky yacht]

Why can’t they shield us low ilvl dps before we get one shot like l2p idk

[swift tinsel]

I might just stop raiding entirely for the remainder of the season

and just do keys

[keen dome]

Become the puglord

Raid on your own schedule

[lilac stag]

I think you’ll enjoy the mythic encounters

[keen dome]

Meet interesting and exciting people

Become angry at interesting and exciting people

[swift tinsel]

I do that already lol

[keen dome]

Learn new and innovative ways to wipe a raid group not yet discovered by man

[steel wyvern]

Guild hop 35 times

W

[keen dome]

Debate what the word "Left" means.

[dusky yacht]

Just be angry at everyone except the guild egirls

And simp for those

W

[steel wyvern]

Wow would be so much more enjoyable for me if it was all frontloaded

Rather than chores over months

[dusky yacht]

Like left looking at the boss or looking from the boss?

[swift tinsel]

maybe I powerlevel spriest and lifegrip people into the right spots

or evoker rescue

[lilac stag]

So our healer on side one of Chim missed the send down. Processed to walk to fear mechanic marker and kill our WW trying to debuff removed then asked why they (the WW) were stacking on the up players.

[steel wyvern]

I only raid 6 hours a week and we spend our first day of 2 days fucking reclearing for 3 hours

Like we did the entirety of heroic for no reason

Batchest

[dusky yacht]

Bro stop, empathy is weakness. Watch them perish and then teabag on intermissions.

[steel wyvern]

Augvoker

[swift tinsel]

they're the reason we aren't reaching intermissions

[swift tinsel]

we legitimately had 3rd add on cosmos engrage 3 times last night

[dusky yacht]

Have you tried yelling at them on vc

[lilac stag]

Have you tried being Gingi?

[swift tinsel]

I've used my dad voice more in the last raid than ever in my life

[dusky yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-computing-counting-math-problems-gif-14678592

[steel wyvern]

Yeah but that’s cause of dps right

[sullen hare]

Clearly you've never had the joy of gripping someone into a lethal mechanic, torching and blanketing their corpse, and walking away. It's peak priest

[swift tinsel]

because of very bad small add/arrow management

when the big adds are consistently missing a 150-300% damage taken increase

[steel wyvern]

It’s a timer no

Oh yeah sure

[swift tinsel]

which is the whole point of the phase

[lilac stag]

arrows and adds

[steel wyvern]

Do you have a boomie pressing starfall standing in the middle of the room or something

[swift tinsel]

yes

[dark creek]

Would you pick hero gaze trinket or mythic set shoulders? Trinket obv sims higher

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

[steel wyvern]

There’s not that many ways to fk it up and that’s one of them

[lilac stag]

meanwhile…

[steel wyvern]

Yeah that’s the boomies fault lol

Gg

[wheat wigeon]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[swift tinsel]

its multiple ranged doing that kind of thing

[dusky yacht]

Maybe we should all reroll boomkins and try our best to be bloomers

[swift tinsel]

and dropping void pools in the path we're moving instead of where we already were/aren't going

[dusky yacht]

Listening to eurobeat songs on repeat with speakers on and no press to talk

[steel wyvern]

Yeah I mean

Raid stacks somewhere then moves same place

[south pelican]

I know pug groups isn’t the best place to parse, however what are the like necessary raid buffs for sub in raid, I assume shaman is at the top of that list, but what else is needed?

[steel wyvern]

Gotta be the play

[sullen hare]

I picked hero gaze this week so I could get out of the government cheese line behind every other good class in my raid that wanted it from the loot council

[swift tinsel]

Last night was just a big highlight of a lot of the things we do poorly as a guild

[teal coral]

Monk warrior and dh

[keen dome]

Yes, good.

[teal coral]

He said shaman

[sullen hare]

Reread what he responded to

[fiery fog]

just queue as outlaw for m+, get accepted and switch to sub before joining
somehow that worked

[keen dome]

If you wanna parse in a pug group, there will be specific groups trying to do it collectively with fast boss timers. They tend to be called Parse groups or similar.

Only really on Heroic though, Myth is a whole different kettle of fish

[lusty acorn]

Is there more class tunning or this was the last?

[fiery fog]

there will be no more class tuning for rogue until s3

[dusky yacht]

Is this confirmed bs or just questionable information

[fiery fog]

i work at blizzard and can confirm

rogue stays in the swamp

[keen dome]

We're gonna get more tunining sooner than later.

that's my prediction

[dusky yacht]

Have you considered arsony and blackmail

[swift tinsel]

Maybe three weeks from now

[primal ruin]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[gilded garden]

1 Week before end of season we get set piece buff

[swift tinsel]

If 12.0.5 comes out on the 21st

[keen dome]

They'll buff Sub sooner than later and it'll be good. It'll be fine. Possibly some more stuff rolled into 12.0.5

[swift tinsel]

Then maybe we see something a week after 12.0.5 hits

[fiery fog]

another bp nerf after 12.0.5

[keen dome]

+1% BP buff

[swift tinsel]

Idk I’d be a bit surprised if they add anything to the 12.0.5 patch

[dusky yacht]

Imagine they buff our season 1 4p even more instead of the spec and we get s2 set and we’re even worse

[swift tinsel]

Just wait til we lose guidon and +4 sec on blades

Super fun times ahead

A lot riding on s2 tier sets imo

[fiery fog]

next season 4p gives us 4sec less sectec cd

kekw

[keen dome]

next season is 2 charges of Sectec

quote me if I'm right

don't quote me if I'm wrong

[swift tinsel]

Idk they kinda set themselves/us up for potential poop soup

[gilded garden]

1 sectech charge and DoA added back to rotation

[latent finch]

how about just delete every haste interaction they inturduced this season?

[meager creek]

hm my sim says double Acuity of the Ren'dorei i tought we only enchant the main hand

[dusky yacht]

Next season is evis replaced by coup de grace damage reduced by 50% prove me wrong I’ll wait

[fiery fog]

next season 4p gives us dust back right?

[swift tinsel]

Well, poopier soup

[dusky yacht]

Please don’t make me question everything again

[delicate gulch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fiery fog]

iirc rendorei was bugged and got fixed so you do both

could be wrong though idk

[dusky yacht]

Shit, did the wowhead guide get updated? I haven’t refreshed it in years.

[meager creek]

hmm

[dusky yacht]

Still says arcane mastery offhand

Few days ago I was told it didn’t matter

[weak glade]

who told u i t didnt matter

wat

[dusky yacht]

But Fuu’s guide is scripture, not to be questioned, by punishment of death

[keen dome]

It doesn't matter. Use Acuity or Mastery, etc. Pretty close to each other iirc

Mainstat is quite good

[dusky yacht]

Don’t remember, was in this channel

Eh I’ll just keep it the way fuu says to do it

[fiery fog]

wtf happened

last week ive gotten easily into keys

now im getting straight declines everywhere

[keen dome]

It's reset and trillions of dps are applying

[frozen robin]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[keen dome]

it says decline if the group filled a lot of the time too

[shy flare]

Droptimizer on dungeon slice setting is telling me heroic guidon is a loss over my renown trinket/champ gaze combo, should I trust that?

Not trying to spam just didn’t get any feedback first time I asked.

[fiery fog]

thats why i checked the group

he was still the only dps in his key

[keen dome]

damn

[dusky yacht]

I really doubt that would be correct

[fiery fog]

guess i need to grab my signed paper from jesus to get into keys

[swift tinsel]

been getting declined from weekly +10's at 270 ilvl 2700 io

just is what it is

[keen dome]

I still get declined from 10's at 3k+ 275

[fiery fog]

10s are so hard you need meta for this!

[keen dome]

It's volume of dps most of the time and occasinoally idiots

[fiery fog]

(ignore that we did 10s with 30 ilvl less)

[swift tinsel]

yeah I love seeing Pumpers Only in 8-10's

yeah you list a key and immediately get 30 dps

[shy flare]

In what sense, like I have a setting in the sim messed up or just dungeon slice not accurate in this case?

[gilded ferry]

same

[keen dome]

"need BL +10"

no, you don't

[swift tinsel]

yep

[north garnet]

Its crazy because the season is so welcoming too Q. Q

[swift tinsel]

"Ranged Only"

[fiery fog]

im opening a key now and decline everyone i see

[dusky yacht]

Dungeon slice is not accurate for me ever

[fiery fog]

out of spite

[swift tinsel]

seen a lot of those

[dense geode]

i think 270 is on the low end no?

[meager creek]

you've received no buff.. 🙂

[keen dome]

270 is on the high end still for most players

[fiery fog]

im 275 too

[swift tinsel]

that'st mostly-maxed hero track

with a mix of non-maxed hero

absolute highest is what 289

[keen dome]

Most players will have two Myth pieces at most.

[dense geode]

When I see ppl apply its usually around 275+

maybe just guys doing weekly 10s

[swift tinsel]

I think our highest in guild is 275 atm

[dense geode]

mythic split guild?

[swift tinsel]

no

we're WR 5k lmao

[keen dome]

I'm highest iLevel in my guild with 275, too

And in a lot of pugs I join haha

[fiery fog]

~288 with 2 crafts i think

[spice vector]

3100 and ill for sure get declined from most 10s as a 270 rogue.

[dense geode]

most ppl should have 4 mythic pieces rn including crafted

[keen dome]

A lotta people don't craft at all

[swift tinsel]

lmao okay

[dense geode]

no crafting

[spice vector]

270 is low and you don’t really bring anything

[swift tinsel]

someone has a very insular perspective

[lilac stag]

At some point you get burned by enough 3K+ players inting a key you stop inviting them

[fiery fog]

thats sus

[lilac stag]

mages particular

[dense geode]

its not insular its how it is

[spice vector]

If you were 270 with lust or something be ez

[keen dome]

It's very common in here from people who only play the game at a higher level

[swift tinsel]

yeah with rating being so inflated rating doesn't really mean as much atm

[dense geode]

2 crafted pieces + 2 weeks of vault

[north garnet]

yeah but we are talking 10s

[dense geode]

unless you got unlucky nad had to get socket

[keen dome]

They have zero perspective on the majority of people playing the game

[north garnet]

you can 4 man tens +2

[spice vector]

Yep, but people pugging don’t care about that

[fiery fog]

unfortunately the people i played keys with ditched me once they went for +12s and higher because "rogue bad"
now i have to somehow get into pugs to push lmao

[swift tinsel]

this assumes you were able to take myth slots both weeks

which is certainly not the majority case

[lilac stag]

and rogue isn’t exactly making hero plays with aoe stops

[fiery fog]

having to queue 20hours for a key is ass

[warm marlin]

isnt this the 3rd craft week

[north garnet]

3.5

[lilac stag]

Last week

[swift tinsel]

esp with how you were incentivized to rush tier over myth based on your available gear/drops

[dense geode]

why would you not be able to besides sockets

[swift tinsel]

tier availablility

[dense geode]

yea you could get unlucky with that

[lilac stag]

I got one heroic and two myth tracks from 3 vaults. Sitting at 276

[keen dome]

I took a hero neck the first vault, and a myth the second

[swift tinsel]

which was the case with about half-2/3 of our guild

[lilac stag]

people also kind shit at spending crests

[dense geode]

you can still craft 3 myth items rn though right

[keen dome]

If you capped crests and used them properly, yeah

[swift tinsel]

I think maybe 2-3 people were able to reasonably take myth gear from first and second vault

[keen dome]

But again, this requires a few things a lot of people won't properly consider

[swift tinsel]

hero gear could have cucked you also

if you got your drops from non-10's

[keen dome]

The amount of people who don't craft weapon first or waste hero crests or w/e.

[fiery fog]

i took helm set piece first week and this week i took skyreach myth track boots

[dusky yacht]

I’m a 272 noob should I just give up

[north garnet]

My first vault went into Myth leg tier piece

[dusky yacht]

[swift tinsel]

and were unlucky with the drops you did get from 10's

[warm marlin]

[fiery fog]

sitting at 4 myth track pieces atm

[keen dome]

You aren't most people though!!!

[lilac stag]

How was playing outlaw?

[warm marlin]

good!

it was the right choice given the circumstances

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

[shy flare]

I’m mostly an m+ player, would you recommend just using single target sim instead or just looking at like murlok?

[keen dome]

Mythic raiders who clear Mythic in week 1/2 go sit in the corner 🫵

[weak glade]

I lowk thinkin about relearning ass rouge for lightbinded lol

[swift tinsel]

I think at this point I've gotten 3 3/6 hero track, the rest were 1/6

[warm marlin]

my character's ilvl is very low relative to my guild members but i sim mega high

because im sitting on 2x 259 crafts still

[lilac stag]

The big ilvl jump is getting higher raid items and saving crests with more kills

[keen dome]

Yeah

[north garnet]

theres not much to re learn

[warm marlin]

raid vault is a little nerfed now that you can hero crest cheese to myth 2/6

but its still very strong yes

[keen dome]

Almost everybody in my casual AotC guild has done incredibly strange things with their crests. A lot of them don't touch crafting, etc. They are far more the commonality of WoW than not.

[spice vector]

I mean as a dps in general but especially as one without an in demand buff it’s just better to run your own key up anyway opposed to sitting in dungeon tool

[lilac stag]

I’ll likely waste 20 heroic crests this week just for the extra dps as we prog

[weak glade]

is it fun this expac tho?

[spice vector]

Only AA is a tight timer this season is easy

[swift tinsel]

good thing they added a whole minute to AA

[weak glade]

which they didnt need to do lol

[keen dome]

I noticed that minute today on a +13

[dusky yacht]

I mean I would just use single target 5 min unbuffed sim patchwerk, try to get 5 min target dummy practice within 5% of that consistently, replace the ST rotation with aoe rotation and call it a day; people told me puzzle was better for m+ yet I do better dps now I got guidon. In m+. Mainly because I hate puzzle and suck at using it. It’s so w/e.