subtlety

[swift tinsel]

to track guidon

[weak glade]

Should I swap ring enchants to haste would get me to 650 prolly then haste food buff?

[warm marlin]

my people will never be free

[arctic heart]

:|| will try

[weak glade]

wait whatttttttttt

[gray wedge]

might as well just delete the character atp

[shrewd lantern]

you can change the bar color in regular cdm?

i've just been waiting a second on my trinket timer to blow my load

[swift tinsel]

you can gain what 32 haste from 2 gems, plus another 32 from mana oil

that's 64 haste

boom

[swift tinsel]

made one in Arc UI

[dry flame]

No myth gaze 🙁

[swift tinsel]

make a custom bar, have one color for regular then diff color at =<14

or watch the miliseconds on the timer to hit 14.0 or 13.9 if you want a lil buffer

[shrewd lantern]

buff uptime from gaze seems decent

[swift tinsel]

yeah gaze is nice

[shrewd lantern]

oh yeah i should get arc or ayjie

instead of bcdm

[weak glade]

i use ayjie

[swift tinsel]

arc is good now that its much more stable

[dry flame]

I have 289 puzzlebox, not even sure if guidon is best choice, but prob will take it

[swift tinsel]

still need to occasionally /reload to fix stuff loading improperly

but that's not often

and it doesn't randomly shift my icons all over the bars

[shrewd lantern]

hmm 70% on the actual stacks

[swift tinsel]

huge

[shrewd lantern]

surprised we dont have armor patch embellish

this expac

[swift tinsel]

eh they're giving less and less fucks about embellishments

[shrewd lantern]

which is good

fuck df bsl

[swift tinsel]

idrc about crafted gear shit

I still haven't gotten a second or third craft yet lol

have good statted hero gear in those slots atp

so its w/e

and I like being able to full send myth crests whenever I get something

[shrewd lantern]

oh i sent boots since i had shitty first boss ones

[swift tinsel]

ah I have hero tier there

[shrewd lantern]

ill have enough to send either my guidon or gaze to 289

and thats it for the reset

[astral flax]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

idk if I'm gonna bother upgrading guidon if I get a myth one

until every other slot is myth

[weak glade]

are you able to track the raw guidon buff on ayijie?

[swift tinsel]

I don't use ayije

[shrewd lantern]

i mean trinkets are highest value

besides chest head leg

[swift tinsel]

well yeah, but if they're >0.7% upgrade then guidon waits

[upbeat sorrel]

is 720 haste oiled up too much

[swift tinsel]

eh its a lil higher but its w/e

[upbeat sorrel]

i've already moved my enchants and gems to mast

[shrewd lantern]

arent most upgrades sub 1%

i think my only big slot left is alleria neck

[swift tinsel]

idk haven't looked into it that much

its a Bridge Cross When Gotten To scenario

[shrewd lantern]

i had 263 boots prior to crafted

[shy flare]

My first 2 crafts were dagger and belt, no glaring weak pieces and I do not myhtic raid outside of pugging first couple bosses eventually. What would you guys recommend for 3rd craft?

[swift tinsel]

I also just really don't give a shit about this season

[shrewd lantern]

ig pants are a good craft since good pants are so scarce

[swift tinsel]

had next to zero fun full raid tonight

wym you can get good ones from pit

[oak sorrel]

huh

[weak glade]

the ones frim pit are so fire

[oak sorrel]

arcanoweave and sunfire silk lining don't say "Unique-equipped: embellished (2)" on them like the other ones do

[swift tinsel]

or there's the ones from spire

legwraps of lingering legacies

[short radish]

holy shit my mate just sent whats probably the worst vault i've seen yet

[swift tinsel]

give haste/crit

[weak glade]

jfc

[swift tinsel]

holy fucking cursed

[shrewd lantern]

thats alot of cloaks

[swift tinsel]

our pick me hunter complained about getting myth omission and purloined wedding ring in vault

[oak sorrel]

so they fixed the dupe slots thing right

[swift tinsel]

bc "theyre not that good but still and upgrade ig"

[oak sorrel]

🙃

[shrewd lantern]

what fix

they're seperate items

[swift tinsel]

yeah you can get the same slot piece but not the same identical piece

like I had 2 different types of gloves

[shrewd lantern]

i like how

every leather spec this season is

haste mastery

[swift tinsel]

eh maybe half

its either haste mastery or crit mastery

outlaw being the weirdo haste crit enjoyers

[oak sorrel]

can anyone confirm that this is visual fluff and we can't actually equip a 3rd arcanoweave? lol

[swift tinsel]

you can only equip 2 embellished items total

[shrewd lantern]

wait they arent vers junkies anymore?

[swift tinsel]

iirc they go haste to 25% and crit

then get whatever vers is left

[shrewd lantern]

oh right imposed tax

[swift tinsel]

yeppers

so a bunch of their stat budget is accounted for

[weak glade]

I simmed my shit with ways to get to 700 haste and it does like 3k less dmg than my current shit am i like dumb as fuk or

[swift tinsel]

the only crit vers enjoyer atp is brew

[swift tinsel]

haste is handled oddly by sims, just aim to get 700 through gear/oils/flask

this is why I fucking hate breakpoints

and am really fucking annoyed at blizz for forcing them on us

[shrewd lantern]

super dumb

idk if i wanna bother with guidon krangle

[swift tinsel]

it just makes gearing really really really annoying

[shrewd lantern]

or just play the 8s left on sb

[swift tinsel]

I do 8sec

its ez

and 0.2% 'worse'

[oak sorrel]

i think sims don't account for the bugged gcd on coup, also sims assume 0 latency

[swift tinsel]

vs trying to snipe last 0.5 sec of guidon

[oak sorrel]

so with breakpoints you want to be slightly above

[shrewd lantern]

isnt the krangle dancing with 2s left on st

[swift tinsel]

more or less

thats about the last half-sec of guidon

[weak glade]

Im at 573 w no oil or gems changed or anything so im prolly do 2 oils give me 32 if i do 2 new gems that give me 32 i think i get to 637

[shrewd lantern]

is that assuming you afk a second of guidon buff

[swift tinsel]

yes

[shrewd lantern]

so 14s buff

[swift tinsel]

you do that regardless bc of the server delay

[shrewd lantern]

well ig if you do 8s of sb you still supercharge sectech during lust

just not outside

[swift tinsel]

yeah

outside lust you're still fitting 2x in blades

but can only supercharge 2x in lust+blades

[shrewd lantern]

yeah the 8s one means you're sending the second st just in dance

does feel a bit diff from no guidon sending a third st almost right after cds

with puzzle

[weak glade]

wait shoudl i just use a hast flask at 573 how much that haste flask give 150>

[swift tinsel]

yep

[swift tinsel]

its like 157 or 159 something like that for rank 1

I think rank 2 is 180something

idr

[shrewd lantern]

i just go mastery flask since cba haste point

for vault fillers

[swift tinsel]

I'm at 699 with oils so I just use mastery

[weak glade]

699 w no oil sis crazy

[shrewd lantern]

im like 720 oiled up

[swift tinsel]

alleria neck haste go brr

[shrewd lantern]

still using renown neck

btw

[swift tinsel]

got champ alleria neck, hero bifuraction band and band of light

[shrewd lantern]

maybe dungeon event box

gives neck

we pray

[weak glade]

i fucking hate haste breakpoints mna

[swift tinsel]

they make gearing stupid

it was their backup plan for how to shove haste into the spec

bc originally haste reduced dance cd too

but it was panned so hard they had to do something different so they made it extend dance duration instead and we knew it would be bad bc that means you could gear to specific values to get additional globals

[fossil forge]

holy shit loot

[swift tinsel]

but blizz didn't allot enough time to come up with something better, or to iterate on sectech hasted cdr which is also bad

[shrewd lantern]

game potato

[swift tinsel]

got updated talents in november and just nothing to fix what needed to be fixed after that

[shrewd lantern]

also i got an hc warbound vora dagger

this is a bad meme

[swift tinsel]

for the entirety of alpha/beta post-november 14th or whenever that patch dropped

[shrewd lantern]

blizz thinking i play 2 rogues

[swift tinsel]

its w/e I'm about to drop this class like blizz did

can't even just switch specs bc neither of them are any fun to me

sin literally has to hard-stop their rotation to make use of their apex talents sometimes

[weak glade]

is 650 haste fine thats the best i can get too rn i thinj

[swift tinsel]

yes that's fine

[weak glade]

my neck is asssssss

[swift tinsel]

just means you have to be quick with your globals in dance

[weak glade]

shouldi just run haste food lowk

[shrewd lantern]

im using the renown neck

[swift tinsel]

can always craft one

[summer mica]

all 3 rogue specs are beyond garbage and lazy game design compared with other classes/specs, imo u cannot deny the fact we dont even got a real dev (warrior dev helping out here and there on a hour basis doenst count for me atleast)

[swift tinsel]

every spec is really boring tbf

not just rogue

[wanton mantle]

feral was pretty fun i just dont have time for 2 toons

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[warm marlin]

i wouldve loved to multiclass to something useful this tier

i am unfortunately caged

[swift tinsel]

they're either entirely barebones rotationally or they're flooded with resources to the point where no decisions matter

[short radish]

did you also make a paladin/druid and shaman?

because that's what i did

🙂

[swift tinsel]

same I'm locked into rogue or I get no raid loot

[warm marlin]

my devourer and aug and hunter are all above level 80 🙂

[short radish]

im slowly gaslamping my RL into letting me play ele for beloran

[swift tinsel]

my dev and uhdk are almost caught up to my rogue

[weak glade]

holy shit i got to 709 haste boys

[warm marlin]

and yet i am in on every single prog boss

on this god forsaken class

[swift tinsel]

I turned off damage meter for tonight's raid lol

just had logs and I cba to look at them

[weak glade]

lol

[swift tinsel]

bc I'm our dedicated logger

[shrewd lantern]

looks like im in on everything

[short radish]

atro is a needed raidbuff

[shrewd lantern]

except paladins

even the dumb bird

[swift tinsel]

and the only reason I'm our dedicated logger

is bc of fucking Akaari

[weak glade]

got to 700 les gooooooooo

[swift tinsel]

and needing to be the one to log so her fuckass damage is attributed to me

[short radish]

my shaman is so good for birb

[warm marlin]

nah fam we in on paladins and we in on alleria

there is no escape

[short radish]

just got the 2min on use from WR spire out of vault as well

[swift tinsel]

dude melee on alleria sucks

I hate it

esp when your obeliskers are anti-you

[warm marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iWKWSmtda81BCkPSgsfTCp ur rogue sucks mate

[shrewd lantern]

oh im out on paladins

[swift tinsel]

and in p2 when they want to drop pools in as much of the area as they can

legit had to tell them not to face-tank lil adds in the middle of the room so the 3 got debuffed

[short radish]

brother i have
no max rank weap
no guidon
no maidens
no bitches
no fucking loot from this raid except a singular helm

[swift tinsel]

since we had 3rd big add enrage multiple times

like how

the fuck

on hc

[short radish]

you still rocking the 263 crucible is kinda pain though

[warm marlin]

i am funnelled

except trinket

[shrewd lantern]

also real question

how tf do you guys log on salhadaar

[short radish]

im gonna end this week with 100 myth crests in my bag

[short radish]

ethically kill small adds

[shrewd lantern]

am i just cooked if my tanks dont put boss on little orbs

[small vortex]

yeah maybe

[short radish]

thats what shadowstep is for

🙂

[small vortex]

kill boss very hard

[shrewd lantern]

wait are you sending dances

on small orbs?

[short radish]

our RL said "kill small adds"

they need to die in a lump together

subs rogue niche is quick 2 second burst

i am ethical

🙂

[small vortex]

really ethical

[jovial ginkgo]

Gotta 99 on vorasius and then on 2nd boss we have a .01% wipe with me doing 99k kinda tilted

[shrewd lantern]

our issue is always the big ones

[short radish]

thats the destro locks problem

[shrewd lantern]

real

me looking at the full hp orb

with dance on cd and st

[small vortex]

yeah thats a frost mage destro thing

[shrewd lantern]

"uhh good luck team"

[shrewd lantern]

me when i check imeperator replay

and see 3 dps run to middle on add spawn

when boss is sub 4%

[small vortex]

lol

[short radish]

okay yeah you don't need to call me out

[shrewd lantern]

well i did it first week

[jade oasis]

i only do ethical dps

[cerulean mural]

Tough choice, I need some inputs here.

As far as ive understod, the BiS belt is from crafting. - I will never raid, just pump m+ and get m+ in my vault.

[jade oasis]

so my dev dh can parse

[dry plank]

Broski I’m also alting shaman! Les goooo

[short radish]

[short radish]

just craf wrists instead then

[jade oasis]

i haven’t decided between alting my warr or shaman

[cerulean mural]

I was thinking the exact same thing, but I've been out of the retail game too long so I was doubting myself

[short radish]

youre all good mate

the reason belt/wrists/OH are crafted

[bleak night]

chris not mat

[short radish]

is because theyre the most worthless stats

[dry plank]

And because they give less stats

[bleak night]

and because the stat budget is the lowest on those slots

[warm marlin]

these are my thoughts on parsing this tier

disgusting slop farming is occurring

[bleak night]

which one are we hiding to bring that damage to boss average down to 89

[warm marlin]

paladins incident

[bleak night]

[azure thicket]

sorry was single targeting the add

for a cool 27 million on boss

[warm marlin]

we died

[exotic steeple]

i already have guidon champ tack, raidbots shows me hero track is the best pick for damage gain, should i not take the myth dagger or chest piece´?

[dry flame]

guidon is not that hard to farm, even on mythic, do sim, but imo dagger or myth chest

run HC at least before you pick and see if u get guidon hc

[exotic steeple]

yea im wondering because i already got the champ track guidon

[native zodiac]

im coming for you tonight

[jade oasis]

give me a guide on how to be less ethical

[short radish]

okay so I know Chimaerus looks really bad but hear me out okay. the big add didn't die and was omega far from the boss so i'd have to swap to it every time

[warm marlin]

my boomie is playing starfall damage is 100% faster (loss on 2 target) to pad harder on orbs

i will simply hit da boss

[azure thicket]

offset blades for add phase possibly

trying to convince raid to go for myth dreamrift next lol

[native zodiac]

offsetting blades on any boss for adds does not seem worth it on any boss ive played so far

[bleak night]

there is a high assa parse that took sudden demise to pad on the orbs

despite it being completely useless otherwise

and i cant help but respect that

[azure thicket]

yeah idk from heroic today and last week the kill times though

[warm marlin]

theres an argument for both

idk

some guilds gonna need orb damage

some guilds dont

[azure thicket]

wild 99 parse from doing add phases fwiw

[short radish]

this is why bosses with adds that need to be burst down are cringe

bring on my single target fights

[azure thicket]

or just change logs to have a boss damage category

in binding of isaac daily speed runs you had score for fastest completion and overall score through pickups

[fair wedge]

when i have pbox and guidon do i js use off cd?

or line it up with smth

[bleak night]

im gonna be honest, i'd rather quit the game than use those two trinkets at the same time

[short radish]

💯

[fair wedge]

thats fair but i dont rlly have a good 2nd trinket 😭

[azure thicket]

water dispenser cold 16oz mug of tang though

[azure thicket]

[ebon tiger]

respectable averzian and vorasius logs relying on giga padding at the 5ish minute mark

feelin weird man

[fiery fog]

:(

no gaze again

[azure thicket]

our other rogue got it, myth chest was nice though

[native zodiac]

😎

[lean sigil]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[shrewd lantern]

use the voidstorm one

[eternal cove]

With 700+ haste, first dance, and 4pc are you trying to send the 2nd ST right as SB ends? What if you don't have First dance up and your dance ends right before the 2nd ST comes up? I'm guessing you have to delay the 2nd dance right?

[coarse raven]

hi, its maybe a dumb question but why sometimes my shadow dance duration is 12s and the majority of time 8s ? its cause of the guidon ? cause i think i use it corectly and wait before shadow dance

[upbeat sorrel]

if i use the item that makes my gear scale in pvp can i add the pvp socket to it

[shrewd lantern]

works on hero helms

cant confirm mythic

[upbeat sorrel]

ong fr fr?

[short radish]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[upbeat sorrel]

[shrewd lantern]

unless they changed it this expac

[eternal cove]

First Dance talent extends your Dance by 3 seconds after you've been out of combat for a bit so it only happens between pulls

[short radish]

oh yeah and TFD

[upbeat sorrel]

rip

it says hats are not eligible

[azure thicket]

there's two of them you can do head afair

my twoset is head shoulders

[shrewd lantern]

wait that means you shouldnt use that

[azure thicket]

gonna get 4 later just face is currently at the toaster setting

[shrewd lantern]

on a real helm you want for pvp

[azure thicket]

the one you skip is chest from skill capped

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i mean crit mast is kinda poopy in pvp

[azure thicket]

yeah the fix is crafted gear, mostly haste/vers

[warm marlin]

i played this reclear like an animal so you will beat me

[azure thicket]

apparently

[native zodiac]

nah doubt it i sim much lower then you

[warm marlin]

rate this opener

(i was not facing the boss)

[copper timber]

yo fellas im sure its been asked 100 times before but i dont see it in the pins but do we wanna use the shuriken storm proc like anywhere in single target inside or outside shadow dance outside of macros ?

[native zodiac]

-1 global

gg

[warm marlin]

a certain addon worked all night though 🙂

[native zodiac]

i still refuse

im just pressing it 0.5 secs before and tkaing the gamble

gg

[dry flame]

afaik, you only use it on deathstalker (macro-ed in SD)

[thin sinew]

god simming vault is so depressing now.

even something i know is an upgrade gets canned for a myth verse item from hc verse item >.>

[copper timber]

ok tyvm, the macro i was talkin about was the one in shindigs guide

so was wondering if u even press it in ST at all

[dry flame]

deathstalker only, since there you SD on 0 combo points (hense the macro with Shuriken Storm)
while on trickster you SD on 6+ cp

[copper timber]

sweet ty exactly what i was wonderin

[hollow spear]

Does it also show you the ms? I am curious where this "lag" sits at most of the time

[warm marlin]

completely random

[ionic star]

anyone knows will I receive a loot that I already haved when using nebulous voidcores in 12.0.5?

[uncut juniper]

do we track gaze?

[lean sigil]

what is this mysterical addon?

[hollow spear]

Something not to worry about 😅

[fossil forge]

Anyone has fps problems on last boss

[keen dome]

Damn, what a stinky vault. But myth gloves win out.

[fossil forge]

Im talking bout 200fps feeling like 2

[hollow spear]

I love the smell of cloak in the morning.

[hollow spear]

You've copied my vault from last week

Did you copy my screenshot?!

[keen dome]

Maybe

I could take boots but tier is probably the better long-term choice

[hollow spear]

(I took hands)

[little tapir]

What should i pick ?

[short radish]

[keen dome]

also taking hands

[short radish]

chest probably good option

or gaze

[hollow spear]

Is this real, Fimbul?

[short radish]

not mine, mates

[hollow spear]

holy shit

[short radish]

mine was slightly better (it was still dogshit)

[little tapir]

asking because i don"t wanna sim

[hollow spear]

take heart of wind then

trustmebro

[short radish]

take socket

[short radish]

okay so first

this was my paladins vault

paladin does not want guidon

[hollow spear]

banger

[short radish]

then this was mine

[little tapir]

Simming takes so long if u don't pay

i have to go through each dungeon

[keen dome]

it's the ideal get up and walk around time

[little tapir]

boring asf

[short radish]

unluggy

[hollow spear]

cant you top gear with the free one?

[short radish]

you can

[hollow spear]

shouldnt be too many

[little tapir]

the boots and necklace are good stats no ?

[little tapir]

top gear is only what u have right ?

[short radish]

i am malding because my paladin got the bis trinket (only piece of gear i care about right now) and my rogue didnt

[weak glade]

do yall think its worth to craft a 285 neck or nah

[hollow spear]

that's why you don't have alts

[sterile nacelle]

Fuck Pit

[hollow spear]

to avoid situations like this

[vale osprey]

So you say you don't want to sim but what you mean is you don't know how to sim?

[north schooner]

me rn after getting guidon in vault and no longer needing to play with that garbobox or continue farming its hero version (I am sure imperator will drop 2 guidons today as a result)

[short radish]

shaman is absolutely getting juiced though

[keen dome]

No bracers, though, time to slam some crafts.

[hollow spear]

Your M+ toon?

[short radish]

it's an "alt"

[little tapir]

i know how to

it just takes a long time

[short radish]

just playing it for funsies

[little tapir]

i don't want to run the thing on all dgns and all raids

[hollow spear]

Why dont you just top sim it?

[vale osprey]

That's...not how you sim a vault

[ripe flower]

any idea why sim tells me to enchant acuity on both daggers? should I actually do that?

[carmine portal]

Lock vault lookin kinda good

[little tapir]

yeah but it's not the only thing i need to sim

[keen dome]

very important stat gain

[little tapir]

simming in general is annoying

[short radish]

[fossil forge]

+swag

[short radish]

im tapping out. you guys can handle this

[keen dome]

+Sparkle is very very good

[fossil forge]

(1) singular swag

[hollow spear]

I can't

[vale osprey]

Acuity was bugged early and now is fixed

[hollow spear]

It's 8:32 in the morning

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[vale osprey]

Bro it's 7:33 in the morning

[short radish]

bro it's 4:03 in the afternoon

[north schooner]

nice fake timezone

[vale osprey]

Aussie rogue alert

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/brent-my-hero-aus-top-guy-gif-17971844794065873200

[hollow spear]

Can you guys sim my time zone?

[keen dome]

he's on smoko

[vale osprey]

Yes but I have to do a timezone droptimiser for each continent

[light finch]

wrong trinket, atleast legs

[keen dome]

snot trinket

[little tapir]

preyseeker set looks good take it for the transmog

[hollow spear]

It's a tragedy. Unupgraded heroic gaze outsims upgraded mythic helmet. But I am #9 for gaze on our wowaudit.

[little tapir]

The sim tells me to take gaze and replace my 6/6 myth trinket with it 💔

that's why i hate simming too

i'll lose juicy ilvl for some dps

[fossil forge]

Its like BISMILLAH BROTHER WE WILL GET IT

DONT LOSE HOPE

[small vortex]

i think im free from rogue 🙏

[hollow spear]

call me in 8 weeks

[hushed roost]

vers on myth helms so ass

but i. miss being vers class

so bad

[vale osprey]

If you hate the truth and want to play for big number on character sheet, do that

[hollow spear]

I sometimes also hate the truth

[fossil forge]

Everyone in my guild has the hc one surely i get the mythic one

[vale osprey]

We all do

[little tapir]

took the torso

[little tapir]

big 6/6 myth torso = looks good

[mortal skiff]

vault was generous

[little tapir]

How long do u guys would say it takes to get an alt to the same lvl as main

[keen dome]

It depends on your main's ilevel and access to content

260 doesn't take long at all

[hollow spear]

You'll have to get some loot funneled from raid to make up for the lost vaults

[little tapir]

273

[keen dome]

First of all, you don't use AI to do this. Second of all, you just turn up and go "ME ROGUE ME STRONG WATCH ME GO" and then refuse to leave once you are in the instance

[fossil forge]

Pretty fast If u know What ur doing

[hollow spear]

I have to use AI, you guys will shame me

[vale osprey]

"Verselle has been removed from the guild"

[little tapir]

going to gear my bm hunter

[keen dome]

Refuse to leave

Become the meme

https://tenor.com/view/moe-simpsons-barney-e-moe-gif-23054386

[vale osprey]

I do not give my consent to be kicked 😤

[hollow spear]

"Reject all"

[keen dome]

"We're removing you from the roster"
"No"
"...No? yes we are"
"No."

[sonic elm]

Lol got champ track gaze and guidon, myth puzzlebox from the vault is a dps loss 🙃

[fiery fog]

Turn off loot council

Loot gaze

Leave guild

[keen dome]

My alternative idea is that you just put the rogue icon over another class on wcl's

and show them that

[hollow spear]

Or you ask wcl to remove paladins from the average

They can remove pad

[little tapir]

I should have found a guild because i was playing with 3 friends but two of them don’t play that much anymore an finding groups is lame 😔

[hollow spear]

Maybe they count that fight as pad

[keen dome]

Just become the Puglord

[little tapir]

In my dreams i have friends that are willing to go physical comp rogue warrior dk shaman monk with me

[hollow spear]

Replace dk with feral

And go full zac

[little tapir]

Who tf is zac

[fiery fog]

But dont play outlaw

We dont do that here

[little tapir]

Seems way too hard for me

I took sub rogue because it seemed easy, happy that it ended up being the best spec in the early season

[fiery fog]

Its always a sub season

(Post time to learn sub picture here)

[keen dome]

It's always the best spec

because it's purple and it begins with S

[fiery fog]

Give us old nimble and everyone is happy

No one gets hurt

[pallid lodge]

myth puzzle box is 0.3% better than lfr guidon in the sims

is this a wait angle?

[sour quiver]

So, how easy is it to keep up the Cut to the Chase Slice and Dice buff?

[flat turtle]

[hollow spear]

but it's bis for assa if you need to swap

[little tapir]

Fuck slice and dice

All my gold is going into repairs

If u have a shaman in the group it’s over for your durability

[keen dome]

lmao yeah

my poor daggers this season

[little tapir]

And i don’t always remember to repair before the start of the dungeon

[fathom fulcrum]

guys it was my first week and my vault only has 1 272ilvl item (void stalker contract trinket) do i just take that one

no set items or anytyhing else noteworthy

[little tapir]

I have 2 hero daggers i keep just in case

[tribal blade]

oh that's actually such a good idea

holy shit

[pallid lodge]

yes that is a 4% flat upgrade

[sour quiver]

Why?

[tribal blade]

extra melee swings from skyfury

weps break faster

[short radish]

good idea for those who've seen weapon drops this season

i have somehow run like 60 dungeons

and seen 0 drops

it's acutally insane

[tribal blade]

yeah i've gotten 1 dagger to drop from keys

kinda crazy

[hollow spear]

Same

[short radish]

probably shit pool for loot

but still insane

[hollow spear]

Keeping heroic pieces around in case of emergency assa swaps

[warm vale]

is this good or shhould i take hero guidon

[vale osprey]

You guys clearly aren't doing enough 3 rogue keys and it shows 😤

[tribal blade]

lol HELL no

i'm the only rogue in my guild

not pugging much right now

[warm vale]

what should i take from the vault

[stray swan]

I just got told my my guildie "Are you sure you don't want to level an alt yet?"

[hollow spear]

I'm glad I'm getting invited to any key

[stray swan]

I'm also one of the last rogue holdouts

[tribal blade]

that's a decent passive trink

sim angle

[sour quiver]

So, how often does Cut to the Chase proc?

In terms of keeping it up.

[tribal blade]

you don't proc it

[sour quiver]

Or does it stay up all the time?

[tribal blade]

any time you hit evis it'll give you snd

evis+coup

[sour quiver]

Was thinking more about keeping it up but sorry for the confusion.

[tribal blade]

you'll naturally keep it up doing the rotation

only time you wanna really think about it is during the 1st pull of a key

you can evis once to get snd up

before going into cds when the pull is gathered

[summer peak]

Morning guys, just confirming that if I Sec tech Voratis, it hits the adds in his hitbox?

[little tapir]

Got 2 times the same great dagger in 2 weeks

From the raid boss

And i have the skyreach one too

So i can use both of those if my daggers break

[sleek socket]

i have wrist 5/6 champ, and boots 6/6 hero, i can take myth items wrist or boots, i surely take wrist right?

[sour quiver]

Nice, thought there is downtime.

[ripe moon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

in raid you will never have enough downtime to drop snd

[keen dome]

Every PoS I do. The ranged ignore the adds on the duo boss and then we almost wipe. Why is it the rogues job, apperently ????

[north garnet]

Okay so

I already have guidon on heroic

[tidal marsh]

I hate you

THE RICH GET RICHER

[north garnet]

I assume more haste doesnt get me much right?

is the play to take heroic valleria neck?

[marble sail]

sim

[wanton sage]

GUYS WE STICK TO SUB? OR U THINK OTHERS COMPETE BETTER NOW AFTER TUNING

(M+ WISE) maybe someone is already brain goated and figured it out

[alpine wraith]

yea if you can play MM hunter or devourer dh you can change

but if you mean rogue

it does fine dmg

you just wont get invited

to anything

[wanton sage]

XD i know

[alpine wraith]

and no assa and outlaw wont change not getting invited

[pastel lark]

Yes its Even worse

[north garnet]

the no invite part is real

[wanton sage]

i thought u get higher rio = faster accept

i got 2.8k now but only "this low" cause ppl dont believe

[marble sail]

no

[north garnet]

i have not done a single 17 or 16 that was not mine

[marble sail]

u need to become friends with an aug and u get invited everywhere

[north garnet]

the meme is literally real

[wanton sage]

17 16 OK OK BRO

i cant even think abt it

[north garnet]

you stand in city no invites

[wanton sage]

But yeah right what i saw is

or what i was wondering abt

is rogue + aug good? im not sure

i have a feeling range specs like lock etc get more from aug

[marble sail]

that dosnt matter

[wanton sage]

kk

[marble sail]

they see aug they accept

[wanton sage]

ahh bu t

4 real like

[ripe moon]

If I dont raid at all is it better to go assa this tier? Seems like both raid trinkets give a lot for sub

[marble sail]

up to u to decide, assa is strong in keys

[plucky moon]

Thats it, im touching myself

[wanton sage]

bro..

look at this shit

im offing my self

[marble sail]

mythic piece is never bad

[wanton sage]

did i have big bad luck?

[marble sail]

sure, but u also didnt get a bad vault

[wanton sage]

i simmed it and i took myth heart of wind

but its not bis bis

not realy sure if it was better to use myth tier set or nt

[north garnet]

heart of wind is not ideal

[marble sail]

i would always take long gain over short gain

[north garnet]

im tempted to take short gain

GMMM

GHHHH

AAAAAA

[short radish]

surely you take helm/shoulder instead

[marble sail]

my vault was cracked

🔥

[north garnet]

okay

i cant even sim

[tribal blade]

you should have taken tier probably

[north garnet]

cause i need to re shuffle the stats for 700 haste

[tribal blade]

proc haste trink not great

[wanton sage]

thats what im saying im reta rded as fuck

and took it

cause top gear said it

but i simmed all specs now and i do "best" with sub so imma stick to it

even after tuning

i should have done it before instead of asking

[tribal blade]

haha it's not the end of the world, it's still ilvl

[wanton sage]

yeah but it doesnt change that im gay so its ok

[tribal blade]

you'll be guci

just play like a G

[wanton sage]

but i want to be prada

i will try only for you all

gamers that play high high keys

still learnin

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people, how was your vault?

[keen dome]

mid

[north garnet]

FUU

gelp

[plush crescent]

I've found it awkward to play around puzzle box - What does our opener look like when we have it?

[shadow lance]

Morning sunshine

[north garnet]

Myth guidon (upgrade from heroic) or Heroic velleria neck

is upgrading guidon a bait bcs more more haste on use doesnt offer anthing?

and how impactful is velleria neck

Q. Q

[shadow lance]

Got a MM dagger but shit stats. 2 shitty MM trinket, shitty heroic things like ring and tier set I already got

[fossil forge]

If you get Valeria neck u can put mastery crit on other pieces

[marble sierra]

use it around 3 sec left on pull timer and go stealth after

[west tide]

upgrading it isnt bait its still a lot of main stat pretty dece

[shadow lance]

Not sure it works

I think you loose the buff going into fight

[marble sierra]

huh, really... well, the alternative then is ambush -> puzzle box -> pop off

[supple barn]

I got myth heart of wind last week and after summing again tonight it wants to go back to void renown trinket 🙂 lolol

I feel that dudes pain

I use puzzle box at 4sec because early pullers then stealth

[north garnet]

good poing thanks

[quaint lodge]

@vale pine remember when i said i wanted to play panda to go for a rank 1 parse

[keen dome]

Hell yeah panda gaming

[vale pine]

did you get rank 1?

[quaint lodge]

i did in fact get rank 1

[vale pine]

👀

[quaint lodge]

haha

[steel zinc]

Gaze mythic u?

[vale pine]

big gz

[quaint lodge]

the dragon warrior lives within me

[vale pine]

wasn't online

[keen dome]

Hell yeah PANDA

[quaint lodge]

panda

[vale pine]

sexy

[quaint lodge]

laughing

i didnt expect to get it so quick but ig thats my goal for the season done

[vale pine]

i saw that

[cursive tundra]

wrong paste

but I guess I take guidon here?

[quaint lodge]

Id wait for raid

Theres not many good guidon users

The liklihood you get it is p high

[cursive tundra]

that's true

[nimble nest]

trinket or ring they have similar upgrade %

[quaint lodge]

Whichever one you're less willing to farm cuz they're both hero track

But they're both available to you in keys

[fossil forge]

Bro got ts on 🧢

[nimble nest]

Ok I've decided on the music box

[quaint lodge]

frfr

[short radish]

IM GOING TO CRASH OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

i even gave away a heart of wind for good karma

[cursive tundra]

to be fair, even if the trinket does NOT drop, the chest is exaclty twice as big an upgrade

i already have guidon at 6/6 hc

[tribal blade]

i got garbage from it too haha

[cursive tundra]

so upgrading just that to myth is kinda trash

[tribal blade]

good day for me though, finally completed ring 2 set

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[cursive tundra]

mfw champion puzzlebox sims way higher than 6/6 myth guidon

i've been to so many algethars and not even hc

[real python]

got PoS myth legs in vault 🙏

[short radish]

i hate this game

[radiant swift]

what is this? nvm found it xD

[dry flame]

• No myth Gaze in vault
• Gaze on reclear drops, five people roll over 95
• Vora myth down, no dagger
• Crucible trinket for another week
• M+ spam to try replace my champ track off-hand

[fair vessel]

does more swords deal more damage?

[main falcon]

Only if your character is named Zorro

[ivory orchid]

lol asking ChatGPT about sub rogue in raid is great

[rich wigeon]

Hey, is there a good way to sim dungeon cleave for sub? (thinking how many targets and fight length)

[keen dome]

If you wanted terrible advice and bad answers, you could just ask me

[ivory orchid]

Vibe answers

[keen dome]

Sub gains +10% damage if you pick an argument over something completely pointless like is ravioli a pop tart.

[ivory orchid]

That was its response lol

Grip isn’t a raid buff I have been told my every dk

[keen dome]

lmao

I fucking hate slopmachines

[ivory orchid]

That response just burnt 72 gallons of water

[upbeat cradle]

Our damage is top tier if the boss dies in 30s

[keen dome]

and you could get it for free from me: rogue bad when dam bad but also bad because lack raid buff so bad bad mid terrible poison toggle

👉 👈 🫵

[rich wigeon]

and then ppl on twitter be like: "stop complaining rogue is broken in pvp"

like bruh

[ivory orchid]

I mean atropic is an elite raid buff right

[limpid vessel]

Is shadow dance only used when secret technique is up?

[upbeat cradle]

Yes

Unless in shadowblades

Then you send one without sectech

[vale osprey]

Absolutely disgusting

Genuinely no idea what I do here

Might be a wait for reclear tomorrow angle

[hearty steeple]

secret techn is used only when shadow dance is up and not the opposite

[upbeat cradle]

Sounds like a free socket 😂

[dry flame]

myth gloves for catalyst i guess

[vale osprey]

Bracers have a socket so it's PROBABLY a take bracers (have crafted so its only 20 myth) and then craft belt over my hero

[rich wigeon]

I got these two in vault, but now It's a dilemma after I simmed it ( ST: myth shoulder is better on full upgrade by +250, on dungeon slice the neck is better by 1350 with gem aswell) now would it be just a better choice to take neck since It's rare because I'm probably gonna get a myth shoulder in the near future vaults anyway?

[keen dome]

i can't believe blizz fixed engineer barrel stuns in nexus point

our utility!!!!

[small vortex]

eh...

good thing im playing lock now...

[ivory orchid]

Destro?

[mortal skiff]

care to explain for noobs?

[small vortex]

demo/destro

you could stun engineers before they die and they dont drop a barrel

that you have to kill before it explodes or else you take big dmg

[vital ocean]

did you check if another myth neck/crafted neck is better? if so long term id pick shoulders, but short term hc neck is big

[vale pine]

vault was:
mythic tier head, shoulders or hands

went with head ^^

[vital ocean]

ill give you head

[vale pine]

👉 👈

[vital ocean]

[mortal skiff]

ty

[marsh surge]

Any ideas for using plume? Kings

[vagrant fulcrum]

If you’re talking the on use 2 min haste you just use it like guidon but every 2nd shadow blades

If you’re talking about the beloren trinket it’s functionally just passive

[ivory orchid]

Yo I heard head is being given is there a wait list?

[vale pine]

the beloren trinket just switches stats if used

[dry flame]

a lot of guys do

[limpid vessel]

Oh so I can still send shadow dance when ST is down ?

[ivory orchid]

Just get shit trinkets like me then you never need to know how to use them

[hearty steeple]

you have 2 charges, so yeah

[upbeat cradle]

I'd take the neck

[marsh surge]

Ye so its gaze > plume ? Idk stats look pretty massive

[rich wigeon]

I'm simming other myth track neck and a crafted one I'll see if it is any good

but yeah prob the neck is gonna be a go to since I cannot get the neck from raid drop anyway

because I'm so high prio on that loot

[marsh surge]

Quick question kings!

Guidon + 4 sets can do 2 sectec between shadow blades Active?

[elfin tendon]

Raidbots tells me to use Acuity of the Ren'dorei on both weapons. Does the buff stack or is its uptime improved, or where does the benefit come from? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vT8Wy4QwqBUX7DFwRYSmSr

[rich wigeon]

with enough haste yea

[sacred flame]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hidden wasp]

Is DS performing better on ST now?

[lilac stag]

Yes, but it’ll devalue haste if you’re going over the 600 or so haste the robot thinks you need. just get to 700 and if haste flask lets you do that its good.

[lilac stag]

Better than what? It’s always been slightly ahead of trickster.

[sacred flame]

does sub pop dance and sec tec before using blades?

[fallow ingot]

There is no macro for vanish right ? i cba to be putting out of Stealth sometimes when pressing vanish

[limber cedar]

Hello, is 700 haste "mandatory" for m+, or is there more flexibility, since we run box anyway

[fallow ingot]

bring back smoke bomb kek

[tight cypress]

hey i got a question. after a wipe on trash in m+ do you sometimes still have aggro from trash mobs? does that have something to do with tricks of the trade?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

If your tank dies and insta releases he gets aggro back

You can do some funny shit or in the worst case brick the entire key

[vale osprey]

yfw 20 hero crests away from being fully done with them 😢

[karmic harbor]

Does anybody have a tfd indicator

[fallow bramble]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[keen dome]

I should get bonus damage from this

[fossil forge]

Do you rly need it

The dance icon stands out in buffs at least for me

[mint swift]

Slot machine mode

[lilac stag]

Ain’t no one looking for a dance icon in the upper right

[mint swift]

Also our sub rogue got first boss trinket last raid

Never seen him happier

[frigid prawn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[mint swift]

From his ramblings it apparently lets you fit in another secret tech in your opener?

Which sounds saucy ngl

[sacred gull]

If you combat pot between first proc of sectec and second proc, will the combat pot affect 2nd and 3rd proc ?

I know it's not recommended anyway, just want to know how much I am trolling with late pot

[karmic harbor]

it's pretty bad for me anyways

[fossil forge]

respectable but ur blind scath …

Im like 75% blind

i can see the blurry dance icon ✊

[random mason]

Pit of saron pants > alleria neck hc right

[rain ingot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

my man is haste maxxing

[keen dome]

Haha

All I'm doing atm watching mythic groups collapse 'cos people are incapable of understanding the game

[sweet moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bG3XRyr3mRyG5oRpen41ev how tf is myth puzzle simming lower than 250 guidon..?

[lilac stag]

Can sim crafted neck vs crafted pants and see the difference between vault neck and pants

[random mason]

Neck will undersim cause i have the haste breakpoint

But id craft neck next reset anyways

After wasting belt craft to a myth belt with socket from vault

[sweet moss]

When using puzzle of guidon do you try to fit in a 2nd secret tech in ur blades stil?

instead of*

[lilac stag]

If you’re at haste point and can’t rearrange stats than it’s not undersimming

[sweet moss]

i assume thats why my mythic puzzle simming so badly? @lilac stag \

[lilac stag]

Sure? Idk fuck using 2 min trinkets.

[sweet moss]

so fk puzzle

[lilac stag]

I have no idea what amount of haste you have. The rules are simple. Get to 700 raw haste. Go For mastery / crit from there.

[torpid echo]

I simed, puzzle box is amazing for m+ and the rings are amazing for raid. The middle one is 1% increase in fact.
Currently have a maxed hero guidon and a bifurcation hero.
What would you guys pick considering I'm only playing sin on paladins and mostly doing 12s m+?

[lilac stag]

what does your heart tell you?

[short radish]

@tribal blade its so jover

[tribal blade]

yeah we had dogshit loot on him too when i was in earlier

sad

[lilac stag]

We got dogshit on chim 🤝

[short radish]

this is our 3rd gun drop

[dry flame]

imo box unless ur rings are really dog - i have hc tier nexus ring 2 set, so i dont wanna replace

[tribal blade]

nauuurrwww 🙁

[lilac stag]

Hunter as LM. What do you expect?

[sacred jewel]

@torpid echo assuming you’re running guidon i’d pick the ring, juggling two actives (20s cd) with a 2min trinket sounds like a hassle to juggle around

[keen dome]

Melon seems very stacked

I assume they are your loot trader but I think it's way funnier that they're wearing all this gear

[tribal blade]

bifurcation is bis for sub, and puzzlebox is bis for sin which you'll be playing paladins prog

[lilac stag]

I’ll take replacing heroic gear over unhealthy attachment to proc dmg due to farming x amount of keys.

[short radish]

yeah

[sweet moss]

i swear puzzle is ass

[short radish]

they also got it last week

[torpid echo]

I have nexus hast mastery ring and bifurcation both hero.

[keen dome]

I'm a nexus ring stand

scath is smarter than me though

[lilac stag]

Imagine playing on Paladin prog

[tribal blade]

hehe rogue life

[torpid echo]

Yes exactly what I said so I'm thorn between those two since I can't get both x)

[lilac stag]

The real answer, what helps you now? .5 & raid needs can likely shift what is better spec on fights

[dry flame]

i play all 3 specs, so box was no brainer for me last week

but if u ONLY play sub and nothing else, i understand

[hallow mortar]

love to put excited droptimzer which give only upgrade as get rid of all haste 😄

[lilac stag]

The good news is all 3 specs are garbo so it really doesn’t matter

[torpid echo]

Guild is kinda ass lol but it's one of the few that raid late night. It will be a while till we raid paladins, currently starting myth prog x)

[lilac stag]

Ring it is

Farm a heroic box for one fight

[torpid echo]

I do yeah. I feel like sin is only justified on palas and high m+ even tho I love the spec

[tribal blade]

how is this even possible

[hallow mortar]

scaling so good

[keen dome]

turn that frown upside down

[dry flame]

ive started dabbling with assa in 14+s it feels pretty good

and today buffed

[lilac stag]

Did you not see our buffs?

[tribal blade]

nah i'm gonna sit in this puddle of tears

[keen dome]

a swimming pool on demand

[tribal blade]

oh hell yeah look at those buffs in effect

so massive

[lilac stag]

I miss these days

[dry flame]

We are actually all asleep, collectively having the same nightmare.

[keen dome]

lmao

[tribal blade]

i would be having a far worse nightmare if the people on my raid team playing OP specs could actually do dmg

instead of gray/green parsing every fight

[dry flame]

appreciate what you have, i've been crying to @keen dome about my solo pug experiences in mythics

[keen dome]

puglord support group

[tribal blade]

that sounds tough

[keen dome]

After collapsing one mythic group with my grey parse and a very angry monk, I'm in another

Will I have to do horrible things with cooldowns to kill the boss

let's find out

[torn tide]

as you wish

[keen dome]

people hate killing the 5th add wave on imperator

[lilac stag]

My chim parse was two damage focus parts yielding me a gray. Boss dmg up until we realized that our range couldn’t kill the last sets of big adds.

5 melee comp

[dry flame]

Super side note, the Spark weekly is to taost 3 ppl in Arcantina - pick that for quickest spark

good for alts

[tribal blade]

yah i feel that, i did that too on chim to get the kill

[lilac stag]

it dead so that’s good

[tribal blade]

all that matters 😉

[lilac stag]

I glanced at top parses and BP casts.

[dusky yacht]

Damn we are in a good position right now guys, instant invite into m+, don’t ever have time to stand around in silvermoon anymore tho, getting kinda burned out

[lilac stag]

Ethical Evicerator here

[torn tide]

ikr i get invited into parties before i even apply, tough life theres no resting

[dusky yacht]

Rihanna work work work work starts playing

[torpid echo]

I really like sin. Played it last season all season and got to roughly 3.5k Io and cleared myth. But I tried it this season and it feels alot slower. Especially on aoe. In st we lacked a bit of energy but I feel like it's the same in aoe as well. And sub short bursts of DMG feels nice. I feel like I have multiple CDs for all pulls

[random mason]

from the shitshow we have on hc on that boss in our guild i don't even want to prog it

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I started playing again 1 week and a half into midnight, started as assas, constantly felt like I was lagging behind and AoE feels like a chore not like it’s supposed to.

Now I’m sub and I love it tbh, AA BP’s feel amazing and then random coups on main focus are epic.

Like xal summons her follower thing, switch targets with AA, coup just happens to be up right at that moment, half her HP gone the moment I switch. 10/10

[tribal blade]

from the time i spent on the forums this is a very common complaint about rogue in general now

nobody likes being gated by energy

[lilac stag]

Almost like 2 resource systems piss people off

[tribal blade]

so true

[lilac stag]

FRICTION

[tribal blade]

it's weird, on sub you do get the sense of reward being able to spam your buttons nonstop in dance which makes people enjoy playing it

[torpid echo]

Yes. I feel the same way. My DMG might be shit compared to meta specs but I love to feel that I'm dealing DMG to where it needs to be dealt.
With sin I feel like I can just sit on a target and hope the other 2 mobs can die.
For example on pit or seat I murder the adds as sin is... Ass x)

[tribal blade]

but on sin you feel like you're being punished

the entire time

[torpid echo]

I think rogue community always had the zoomies. Hearing "not enough energy" triggers us x)

[tribal blade]

i suspect part of why sin doesn't perform well in raid is because you literally cannot get enough globals off fast enough to do dmg

[lilac stag]

It’s also paper compared to sub

[tribal blade]

it is yeah

also you move slower

[torpid echo]

You don't cuz the adds need to be on top of you to do DMG. Otherwise you swap and apply garrote, rupture and only then env but mobs are dead at that moment x)

[tribal blade]

the main issue i feel is CT costing too much energy

[hallow torrent]

hi folks, is arcane mastery enchant, much better offhand than bersecker/ or is irrelevant difrence?

[tribal blade]

yeah sin is weird now with stuff dying in 3 seconds

[hallow torrent]

is any topic on comparison those that i could read?

[tribal blade]

spatter doesn't do as much as it used to

and spreading with CT is obviously kinda useless

[keen dome]

People really hate swapping to the adds in pugs for Mythic Imp

[lilac stag]

Just run double main stat. We don’t want the haste weapon enchant. You can sim them

[keen dome]

It's wild

[hallow torrent]

i dont think is haste enchant, isnt simple damage?

[valid yoke]

Oh fr I thought we ran one acuity and one arcane

[hallow torrent]

arcane mastery is masery given

[tribal blade]

LOL oh you mean the adds that if you don't kill 1 fast enough it's a wipe and also if you swap you gain way more dmg because you can aoe, those mobs?

[hallow torrent]

i gpt aqity and arcane

wonder if worth swap offhand for bersecker

[keen dome]

Yes

[red flame]

That’s what the wowhead guide says is acuity + mastery at least

[tribal blade]

geniuses

[keen dome]

Every single wipe on Mythic is 'cos one of them becomes big

I don't fucking get it

[tribal blade]

tell them they'll get a better parse if they swap

which is actually true

[wild vine]

Sim it

[keen dome]

I'm not talking, these people will just get toxic lmao

[wild vine]

Just be faster

And get toxic first

[tribal blade]

tell them all the small shitters run to that 1 mob

ook ook aoe

win win

[red flame]

True & real

[lilac stag]

Literally just sim it. ST & Dslice if you’re that curious.

[hallow torrent]

if i had to do sim, do i havew to ask here? i ask if any1 knows to avoid all this search,ty vm

[tribal blade]

just use 2 acuity

[lilac stag]

we’re giving you the correct answer

[torpid echo]

I was on emperor last night and I was st those adds. Storm evis x) but we'd wipe due to enrage not that add x)

[lilac stag]

Since you didn’t like 2 main stat

[red flame]

Like scath alr told them

[tribal blade]

damn

[lilac stag]

For fucks sake

[tribal blade]

i'll say it again

just use x2 acuity

easier to swap between specs

[wild vine]

Sim takes 1 min and isnt anything to search at all. Noone can give you an answer because it depends on your character.

[tribal blade]

is very good

main stat very good

win win

[lilac stag]

!bis

[wild vine]

Wdym you dont have different weapons for different specs?

[tribal blade]

hehe hell no

well i would need a 1 hander for outlaw

but that would require me playing outlaw

[viral parrot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red flame]

Imagine swapping specs

[lilac stag]

🔫

[wild vine]

Different specs, not a whole different class

Just daggers with other stats

[lilac stag]

Just play survival. True dagger spec

[red flame]

If I wanted to play a different spec I’d lvl another rogue
I’m insane ik 😭

[keen dome]

Better get 4th rogue ready for the future

[lilac stag]

If I wanted to raid mythic I’d play a different class

[red flame]

True & real

[fleet wharf]

this is so sad though, we're sitting how many fights this tier?

[fossil forge]

4 rogues ready just for all 3 specs to be dogwater

[hollow spear]

On survival, do I use mainstat + mastery enchant or do I use berserk?