subtlety

[crystal comet]

I read through all the discussion on apex talent and I still feel like I'm a moron for lot understanding it. So am I correct in thinking your big damage is popping sblades/guidon, then immediately going dance/sectec -> generator -> spender -> spender -> generator -> spender -> spender, to take advantage of the shadow technique refilling your CP?

[lucid jackal]

https://x.com/i/status/2040678502635090253

hippo (@Hipposareneat)

They tell you p1 crown of the cosmos mythic is the most melee unfriendly phase of all time. what they dont tell you that p2 crown of the cosmos mythic is somehow also the most melee unfriendly phase of all time.

X · Apr 5, 2026, 6:30 AM

[warm marlin]

messerknecht sent me a clip of spending like 25s out of a 30s window out of melee range staring at the boss

cant wait

[swift tinsel]

jesus lmao

[shrewd lantern]

[fiery fog]

cloak and engage

[lucid jackal]

I'd say this is the worst rogue has ever been and it snot exactly close

[fiery fog]

usually there was a rogue spec that was good

[shrewd lantern]

is this worse than CN

[lucid jackal]

It's so weak, that as a raid buff, it's being sat on the walls of the raid because it does so little damage on the hard encounters

[fiery fog]

atm all 3 are kinda ahh

[swift tinsel]

idk it is funny that the most represented melee are the ones who need to be in melee range the least

[lucid jackal]

Maybe slightly worse than CN

[swift tinsel]

uhdk, ret

[lucid jackal]

Or maybe slightly better

[dense geode]

is rogue bad or is the encounter not rogue friendly

[shrewd lantern]

CN also had the bonus of dk having disc barrier

[lucid jackal]

Both

[shrewd lantern]

but better

[fiery fog]

rogue bad

[swift tinsel]

blizz having a hate-boner against melee this tier

[lucid jackal]

Lura should literally be a 2+ rogue fight if tuning was ideal

[steel wyvern]

10 dks

[dense geode]

i feel like sub actually isnt BAD

[warm marlin]

have you been in on alleria guy

[dense geode]

just low mid

[shrewd lantern]

low mid as melee

[warm marlin]

or just been watching it and know its terrible

[shrewd lantern]

this tier

is uh

[dusky yacht]

I mean okay but I’m still playing it and they’re still giving me drops as trial so idk

[shrewd lantern]

[tulip gorge]

just a few more 3% buffs and rogue will be decent

assuming they remember

[lucid jackal]

I'm benched until lura

[stable marlin]

Now we get to wait a month until our next tuning bump

[steel wyvern]

Replaced by shindig

[warm marlin]

[steel wyvern]

Unlucky

[lucid jackal]

I mean this in a non sarcastic way, but I love that for you

[fiery fog]

guys my dad at blizzard said we get more buffs in 12.0.5!

we also get old nimble back he said

[dusky yacht]

Yeah don’t worry like I get you and I agree

[sullen hare]

my guild brings me but I'd rather be bedrotting this shit ass tier for sub

[tulip gorge]

and somehow more nerfs to bladeflurry

[shrewd lantern]

is shindig even in or is he playing dh

[lucid jackal]

He has also been on the bench all tier

[steel wyvern]

No shot my goat would never get benched

[shrewd lantern]

well exile got the bench on bel

[lucid jackal]

Hes in on beloren and then I'm in on lura

[shrewd lantern]

so uhh

[chrome palm]

it really is that easy

[shrewd lantern]

lol

[steel wyvern]

Boom

[shrewd lantern]

282 vault

[trail bison]

all good next tier rogue will be sicko mode #believer

[warm marlin]

disgusting

happy for u

[dusky yacht]

LMAO WTF

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[shrewd lantern]

i got a 279 earlier

[sullen hare]

same

[lucid jackal]

Honestly a big downside of not doing all the bosses is that u have to spend so many more crests on items

[fiery fog]

i can see myself getting another cloak or wrist in my mythic slots

[sullen hare]

I'm happy with that for now

[shrewd lantern]

i think im only out for paladins currently because they want to run another healer

[warm marlin]

i got this for you

[shrewd lantern]

and less melee

[sullen hare]

it's an underrated gripe

[chrome palm]

exile ilvl on lura

[steel wyvern]

What was it

[lilac stag]

@lucid jackal I got this for you

[chrome palm]

277, like 2 below the rest of the raid

[steel wyvern]

W

[chrome palm]

think he had 2 mythic pieces that werent crafted

[shrewd lantern]

ngl im shocked when i see people at like 278 who arent doing splits

[steel wyvern]

They are just loot vacuums

Call them Dyson

[sullen hare]

some people just lucky like that

[shrewd lantern]

[sullen hare]

get lucky don't get unlucky

[vernal drum]

@vale pine Hey hope ur doing well, can i see you gsheet ? cant remember the !command

[shrewd lantern]

its also our drops have been mostly cloth and mail

[vernal drum]

or someone else

[sullen hare]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel wyvern]

Officer priv bro

[vernal drum]

ty

[steel wyvern]

Don’t even get me started on raid loot

Pretty sure we saw like 50 Mail tier pieces

Plate and leather both got cooked

And that was after cloth got kitted out week 1

Unlakki

[swift tinsel]

yeah I was the only leather 4pc until last thursday

think we had 1 token drop from raid

[vale pine]

someone else was faster, i will re-run sims tomorrow to account for changes

[shrewd lantern]

i guess it goes around

since we had like no mail tier the week prior

it was a meme that our casual guildies had 4p

before the mail dps

[swift tinsel]

we have so many mail users now

was usually just a shaman and 2 hunters

[shrewd lantern]

well survival exists now

[swift tinsel]

and a fuckton of plate

[shrewd lantern]

so extra dagger drops dont need to go to mog roll

[graceful osprey]

I still have yet to get 4pc but haven’t opened my vault yet. Zero rogue tier drops from raid

[shrewd lantern]

week 3 of the raid

[swift tinsel]

our sv uses a 2h

idk if he plays pack in m+

[shrewd lantern]

i heard dagger sv was better

for pack

[swift tinsel]

if you play pack leader

[shrewd lantern]

dont think they're allowed to play melee hunter in raid

[swift tinsel]

idk we don't enforce that

people play what they want

[steel wyvern]

I mean

[swift tinsel]

we're WR 5k something so it literally doesn't matter

[steel wyvern]

If there’s one rule to enforce

[hazy lichen]

Should i send all my myth crests into upgrading guidon

[steel wyvern]

It should be that hunters are ranged

[shrewd lantern]

its a self imposed choice

[shrewd lantern]

especially when one is an officer

[steel wyvern]

Dagger > Guidon > other

[swift tinsel]

his other toons are all melee

[hazy lichen]

ok ty

[shrewd lantern]

ideally you should send a hero trinket to 276

to not spend gilded on 1/6 to 2/6

[steel wyvern]

This

Upgrade with hero crests first @hazy lichen

[shadow lance]

This

[lilac stag]

2x at 276

[dusky yacht]

I got hungering victory last sunday and never upgraded anything as hard and fast as I upgraded that, the npc was looking at me like bro chill

[shrewd lantern]

or get the useless ass ooze trinket off myth chi

[hazy lichen]

oh good call

[shrewd lantern]

as a crest save

[steel wyvern]

Is that what the dagger is called

[dusky yacht]

Yeah it’s the vorasius one

[shrewd lantern]

the other dagger this tier is off bel

gl with that

XD

[steel wyvern]

Nice man congratulations youre up here with the big boys now

[steel wyvern]

W bel dagger tbh

[hazy lichen]

wait i dont have enough crests to upgrade 2 hero trinkets to 276

[dusky yacht]

Eh it’s fine I got crafted 285 in offhand and offhand is basically stat stick no

[steel wyvern]

Gotta get my grubby mits on that

[hazy lichen]

only 1 and a half

[shrewd lantern]

they're both decent

[dusky yacht]

Thanks bro

[steel wyvern]

Go to the mines

(M+)

[shrewd lantern]

do the housing quests

they give 20 per

the weekly stuff

[steel wyvern]

Graf

I’d rather do 2 m+ dungeon

Than one housing quest

[hazy lichen]

ill still be missing 20 hero crests fuck

[steel wyvern]

!?!?

Omg!?!?

[dusky yacht]

Like cause of cap?

[hazy lichen]

yes

[dusky yacht]

F

[shrewd lantern]

do a delve

[steel wyvern]

You know once you get one to 272 the other will be free to get to 272

[shrewd lantern]

oh

[brazen stone]

Whats the best way to do dmg on bosses like the first boss of MC for example? When theres 2 targets. Am i supposed to black powder or is it just a fan of knives into evis spam the entire time?

[shrewd lantern]

rip

[steel wyvern]

Cause you already have guidon at 272

[hazy lichen]

oh yea

u guys are smart

you know that

[swift tinsel]

if you got unlucky and got your hero tracks at 1/6 instead of 3/6 you get kinda cucked

[shrewd lantern]

2t you build with strike

and cry because spec sucks ass at 2t

[cursive tundra]

same for 3t

[dusky yacht]

We’re using our 2 neurons together

Rogues together smart

[cursive tundra]

check paladin logs for sub

[hazy lichen]

lmao

[steel wyvern]

3t you at least get to press black powder

[vale pine]

1/6 is fine, can do some m+ and get a 3/6 item and upgrade after

[shrewd lantern]

paladins you're just ther for atro

and moral support

mostly atro

[steel wyvern]

Put on numbing they won’t notice

[swift tinsel]

ye just costs more crests out of the gate

[steel wyvern]

W numbing

[shrewd lantern]

last time i remember numbing having value

was sludge

[swift tinsel]

like for me I think I got 1, maybe 2 of my hero tracks at 3/6 from 10's

[shrewd lantern]

since he punched slightly slower

[brazen stone]

So on first boss of MC, i just shuriken storm evis the entire time outside of dance and during dance i do normal single target ss evis rotation?

[steel wyvern]

Just play 2 rogurs

[steel wyvern]

U talking about imperator

[shrewd lantern]

you can bp at 2t depending on your mastery

with pp talented

no i think he means the idiot with his bird

in maisara

[steel wyvern]

Don’t run pp on imperator lil gup

Oh maiaara cavern

[swift tinsel]

MC is Miasara Caverns

[steel wyvern]

Yeah

[shrewd lantern]

or is it a bird idk

[steel wyvern]

In MC you wanna

[shrewd lantern]

it has wings

[swift tinsel]

fuck that place

[shrewd lantern]

close enough

[steel wyvern]

So what you wanna do is

Level a frost mage

[tepid trellis]

wings=dragon

[swift tinsel]

least-run m+ dungeon

[tepid trellis]

i dont make the rules

[swift tinsel]

bc it sucks wangs

[sullen hare]

maisara more like doodoo caverns

[steel wyvern]

Yeah you’re gonna wanna be a frost mage for that one

[shrewd lantern]

i've done it twice this season

[tepid trellis]

devourer DH

[steel wyvern]

Wdym that dungeon is fire

[swift tinsel]

yeah I got my portal and will maybe do it again at 12

[tepid trellis]

just absoutely smack the boss

[shrewd lantern]

sorry man im stuck in the AA and xenas mines

indefinitely

[steel wyvern]

Oh yeah true play devourer dh

[swift tinsel]

dev is fun

[warm marlin]

mm better

[brazen stone]

Yea first boss of caverns, the troll with his dumb bird

[tepid trellis]

dragon

[swift tinsel]

haven't played as much bc alt leveling but he's making a resurgence

[tepid trellis]

cmon keep up

[steel wyvern]

Anything better than sub

[tepid trellis]

it has wings

[sullen hare]

play devourer until they forget about it next patch

[tepid trellis]

therfore its a dragon

[swift tinsel]

uhdk making a comeup too

ol Scottdk

[steel wyvern]

Stealthi how’s life

Long time buddy

[red flame]

Drinking Redbull turns you into a dragon confirmed

[fiery fog]

flies are dragons now

[tepid trellis]

flies are fake

[brazen stone]

How much mastery do u want to be able to black powder on what boss. I was watchin a wox vod and he was just shuriken evis spamming the entire time so i was curious cuz i was told black powder better to press on 2 target

[shrewd lantern]

grip is not a raid buff

reminder

[tepid trellis]

spy drones

[shrewd lantern]

its just incredibly useful

on most relevant bosses

[fiery fog]

planes are dragons

[swift tinsel]

dk's have broken utility and no one can convince me otherwise

most delusional class

[shrewd lantern]

ams and da let you ignore like

[fiery fog]

wdym

[shrewd lantern]

half the mechanics

in this game

[fiery fog]

they only have 3 dashes on a 20 sec cd each

[steel wyvern]

Ams and deaths advance bro

Unreal class

[shrewd lantern]

also ibf if you stand in some shit

[swift tinsel]

lemme go IBF and walk through anything on the ground that stuns anyone else

brb

[shrewd lantern]

and get stunned

[tepid trellis]

sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit

[red flame]

So real

[shrewd lantern]

go human dk now you have 2 stun breaks

actual fuck all mechanics

[steel wyvern]

My dk player

Parse grey

[swift tinsel]

like CN Xymox

[steel wyvern]

Sends his sim

[tepid trellis]

have a 15 week old pupper running around, so sleep is not something i get alot of lately

[steel wyvern]

It’s like over 100k

[swift tinsel]

clear all melee while still doing dps

[red flame]

Or undead dk for fear breaks

[steel wyvern]

Explain that

[shrewd lantern]

dont you have lichborne

[steel wyvern]

How he sim higher than me

[shrewd lantern]

still

[red flame]

Yes

& then will of the forsaken

[brazen stone]

Wait theres keys u guys spec out of pp on? and what do u spec into instead and for which keys?

[red flame]

[steel wyvern]

Damn bro that dog fucking up ur appt or what

[shrewd lantern]

nah pretty sure you dont spec out of pp in keys

[steel wyvern]

U don’t spec out of pp

[shrewd lantern]

speccing pp on vorasius

is diabolical work

though

[brazen stone]

Oh thought i saw someone say that

[steel wyvern]

U can spec out of tfd

[tepid trellis]

nah she just doesent like sleeping for long periods of time

[brazen stone]

So hownmuch mastery do i need to have for it to be worth pressing bp on 2 target boss fights

[steel wyvern]

Bro u just need to get a raccoon

As a pet

[shadow lance]

I do when I go m+ after raid

[steel wyvern]

With a little leash

[shadow lance]

Because I forgot to swap talents

[tepid trellis]

this one might be exactly like one

[steel wyvern]

Put little clothes on it

[tepid trellis]

easts trash too

so it adds up

[steel wyvern]

Nice

Reminds me of my old dog who died cause she choked on trash

[shrewd lantern]

💀

[hazy lichen]

thats a thing?

[brazen stone]

Also theres like 2 rogues in the top 20 for keys that are actually playing 700 haste lol, why is that

[brazen stone]

Idk im getting mixed answers

[shrewd lantern]

chinese do some all in mastery tech

[steel wyvern]

In AoE mastery stacking is better

[sullen spruce]

guys whats your vers % at atm

[shrewd lantern]

china region always has some funny builds

[steel wyvern]

W China

[steel wyvern]

I love xi jinping

[brazen stone]

Wox vod he just shuriken eviserates. But i was also told black powder is bis. (Witch boss in spire or caverna bird boss)

[red flame]

Ancient Chinese Secret

[brazen stone]

So idk which is better

[sullen spruce]

damn im at 6% 😭

[brazen stone]

For 2 target boss fights

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-credit-social-уважение-плюс-уважение-gif-1626328442317885176

[shrewd lantern]

its really not a huge diff

but ideally you dont want vers

[steel wyvern]

It’s basically the same

[hazy lichen]

from dagger and helm

[shrewd lantern]

its not outlaw mastery levels of bad

[steel wyvern]

Look at tooltip

Compare the tooltip damage

[shrewd lantern]

my guy

[steel wyvern]

It’s very similar

[shrewd lantern]

why red daggers

with that mog

use the lfr teal version at least

[steel wyvern]

W mog

[hazy lichen]

they pink tho

[shrewd lantern]

yeah doesnt make it better

[steel wyvern]

Bro

We gotta do a triple aug key

[fiery fog]

how are you not complaining about his white tabard on top of it

[gray wedge]

Switch to the WoD CM daggers

[sullen hare]

I like your garish pink daggers don't listen to the haters

[gray wedge]

tried n true

[shrewd lantern]

how you do that mog

yeah

[hazy lichen]

if only i was alive back then gg

[gray wedge]

might as well just reroll bro idk

[shrewd lantern]

alive?

bro is 10 y.o

💀

[steel wyvern]

I’ll show you my mog in a moment

[brazen stone]

The things id do for soul eaters

[dry flame]

#transmog

[gray wedge]

wow confirmed made for babies

[shrewd lantern]

Then you got real serious mogs like this

[hazy lichen]

nah im trollin

[fiery fog]

man i wish i played durinig legion and got all the rogue magetower mogs

[hazy lichen]

but i was too young back then to understand wtf was going on

[fiery fog]

tbc looking ahh

[shrewd lantern]

lowkey me and red pvp enchant

[sullen hare]

this is my tmog lol

[hazy lichen]

i just walked around exploring doin stupid shit lol

[gray wedge]

prolly had more fun too

[shrewd lantern]

lmao real

i remember they nerfed pvp enchant glow in nh

because it lagged people apparently

[steel wyvern]

what do we think

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw with 2 daggers

[fiery fog]

911 there is a creep running around silvermoon

[gray wedge]

let him cook without dispatch

[gray wedge]

rag neck OP

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i got a hero wep too

the fist from ermm

idr boss

[steel wyvern]

salabdr

[gray wedge]

Salad

[shrewd lantern]

yeah no one wanted it

[gray wedge]

it's ugly

[shrewd lantern]

i liked mfo weapons

this tier....

[steel wyvern]

what spec do i play next dungeon

[shrewd lantern]

not so much

[gray wedge]

Sin

[lunar bluff]

@warm marlin cant believe ur guys buff today

[steel wyvern]

ok

[gray wedge]

The dagger from 1st boss of march looks good

And I like the 1h sword

[shrewd lantern]

the droprate on nk's slivers last tier was criminal

i think i got one token

whole tier.....

i wanted lfr color of the araz sword

[gray wedge]

I bought the LFR axe from someone lol

[shrewd lantern]

thats clean af

or that one

[lunar bluff]

from where

[shrewd lantern]

i bought the nk model thinking i was going to get another

[gray wedge]

It's 2h from MFO

[lunar bluff]

not 1h?

oh idc then

[shrewd lantern]

its the lfr colors

[lunar bluff]

f u frag

frag

graf

[steel wyvern]

ive applied to 30 keys

[shrewd lantern]

lowk i was waiting to see if you typo'ed and got automodded

[gray wedge]

Yellow klass

[steel zinc]

Ngl I pretty much hate that you can raid mythic but can't access LFR stuff

[shrewd lantern]

yeah they applied the tranmog thing to tier sets

[steel zinc]

Like lfr items are pretty hard to get

[shrewd lantern]

but not wep mogs

[swift tinsel]

really wish it applied to weps too

the transmog thing

[hazy breach]

Yeah the tier is easy now, but weapons not so much

[steel zinc]

100%

[gray wedge]

This is why everyone has 3 alts that are only for lfr mog

[shrewd lantern]

i never got the lfr frac boots

or lfr dimmy bracers

[swift tinsel]

frac boots and dimmy bracers are 100% on my list of needs for mog

[gray wedge]

Don't forget to just offer people money

[steel zinc]

Yeah I do not step into the abyss that is LFR except first week if I have to help s1, get tier

[gray wedge]

Most people will sell off piece stuff

[shrewd lantern]

i took lfr smold sword on my warrior alt once

biggest value vault

[gray wedge]

100%

[steel wyvern]

GOT AN INV

LETS GO

[gray wedge]

We can win

[steel wyvern]

wish they brought back

deadly poison for sub and outlaw

[swift tinsel]

wait can we soloq lfr TWW now

[steel wyvern]

bring back rupture too

[swift tinsel]

no

rupture stinky rest in piss

[gray wedge]

Middle of xpac prolly if it's not added yet

[steel wyvern]

2 target rutpure

was pog

[swift tinsel]

ah couldn't remember if they did that at the start of the xpac or partway through ty

[gray wedge]

np

[swift tinsel]

if rupture was functionally interesting maybe

but it was an eternal dot that did okay damage with no additional effects

the busywork of spreading it in m+ for the damage it ended up doing wasn't worth the effort imo

[shrewd lantern]

somehow instant poison

does less than the xenas ring set bonus

[stone vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8sHzUHqG9CSHeXePQ9DxBX is this sim too low?

[shrewd lantern]

tf did they do to it

[swift tinsel]

bc instant poison is pointless

more often than not its an effect proccer in cases you can only auto attack which is basically never useful

it does Alleria Neck levels of damage

and DB increases its proc chance woohoo

take the % shadow damage and add it to veiltouched or something else (blades) and make DB Banshee's Blight

hell put the % shadow damage part into shadowed finishers

OR make it make dance turn all of our damage shadow

[frail kindle]

goated vault wtf

[cosmic ermine]

trying to decide what I want from mine

[frosty kettle]

Do the raid-vault mythic items scale in ilvl with highest mythic boss killed? My guidon is 276 in vault, but yours is 279

[swift tinsel]

this first part of the CAPSTONE TALENT is so shit

from top vorasius myth log

[warm marlin]

yes

[frail kindle]

oh wtf i guess they do

thats kinda neat

[frosty kettle]

Oh dang that rocks

[warm marlin]

surely next week i get my gaze

[tidal python]

Dark brew made more sense when we still had rupture

[swift tinsel]

yep

this current iteration is just misguided

[dusky yacht]

Bro how do you guys pull this shit lmaooo

[frail kindle]

tbf this is like luckiest vault in a LONG time

now that i think about it more this is actually really fucking nuts xd

its chest helm and pants from m+

and 2 bis trinkets

like basically all the best possible slots to have mythic LMAO

[dusky yacht]

Bro gets an all you can eat buffet I’m over here like

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-food-hungry-SxpII5ACLg2Eo

[frail kindle]

my steak is too juicy and my lobsters too buttery

[dusky yacht]

Lmao

And these busty waitresses are bothering you all the time

[austere spindle]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[surreal turret]

playing rogue as my second character this time around thinking about crafting a second wep since im still stuck with a champ in the OH thoughts?

[plush roost]

OH is lowest prio slot by far

[surreal turret]

yeah i was thinking the same im super itemized outside of the neck and a ring being champ gear so will be lower stat gains but good call

[vale osprey]

Rogue as SECOND character?

Brother we're barely playing it as our first

[surreal turret]

we needed a lock and i've mythic raided on both so went lock this tier

[modest lily]

simming top gear is showing prioritizing crit over haste with a crafted ring, yet that drops me below the recommended haste breakpoint to 17%/592 . showing a 1% loss for haste/mast and .7% for crit/haste.

Should I disregard the sim in this instance?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1koPrtvi8J5sC2dFRBmb2r

[dusky yacht]

The sim doesn’t understand you’re human

[vale osprey]

The 👏 SIM 👏 needs 👏 less 👏 haste 👏 read 👏 the 👏 faq

[dusky yacht]

[hazy breach]

Fwiw its the haste after oils that matter, so the sim would be at 634

[steel wyvern]

@gray wedge now what spec

[dusky yacht]

I got 17% without oils so cutting it close myself tbh

[swift tinsel]

wouldn't it be 624

[hazy breach]

Which is still slightly too low, but if you put haste on it you'd end up way above

[gray wedge]

Shadow

[steel wyvern]

spriest?

[gray wedge]

Yeee

#1 rogue alt s priest

[steel wyvern]

im on a rogue man

[vale osprey]

I really hope I get the trinkets on hero+ this week 🙃

Sick of my lfr Guidon and prism

[gray wedge]

Outlaw den

[dusky yacht]

Damn bro don’t look at people posting their vaults you’ll trip

[gray wedge]

I think a lot of rogue mains have an spriest alt for some reason

[swift tinsel]

was arms warrior alt for a while

bunch of sub->arms

[steel wyvern]

i used to

[vale osprey]

Nah mine is waiting there tomorrow morning 🙃🙃

[ionic wave]

On pre pull when are you cool kids using puzzle box?

[vale osprey]

After you shadowstrike

[gray wedge]

I wanted to play arms but then saw that they got rid of mortal strike being race specific and just a dumb spin move and lost all interest

[swift tinsel]

arms just feels weird to me

very spammy

[ionic wave]

thanks

[dry flame]

-3 (-4 when with pugs)

[swift tinsel]

the whole "you're slow and tactical" thing doesn't really match being gcd locked a lot of the time

[gray wedge]

Specs have just lost a ton of their individuality imo

[swift tinsel]

yep

[gray wedge]

dead horse statement atp

[swift tinsel]

I've leveled almost everything to 90 now and they all just kinda feel eh overall

[modest lily]

actually oils puts me at 592, my base haste is 566/16% - had oils in game on when i gave the first value

[swift tinsel]

devourer is fun bc there's a lot of little things you can do to eke out more damage

[vale osprey]

Just use haste flask

And run the sim again

[shrewd lantern]

isnt reknown better than prism

[swift tinsel]

but once those rose-colored glasses are gone it'll feel like the rest

[gray wedge]

I'm hoping they'll build back rotational complexity after this baselining

[hazy lichen]

idk why my sim is telling me to remove haste when i only have 650

[gray wedge]

New baby has to be fun too

[swift tinsel]

idk I don't see them adding that much

[vale osprey]

Doesn't sim better for me

[swift tinsel]

tier sets likely the only 'exciting' changes

[gray wedge]

outlaw tierset lmao

[vale osprey]

(it's within .1% and bigger ilvl make me happy)

[swift tinsel]

s1 tier sets nortoriously bland to let the new rotations etc shine

s2 and s3 they can experiment a bit

[gray wedge]

I agree

[swift tinsel]

but we'll see how far they wanna go with them

it is a pretty bland foundation across specs though

[gray wedge]

I also think that they didn't want to have the average dad have to think about new stuff when they changed how a lot of specs play as well

[swift tinsel]

yep

s1->get comfy with baseline

s2/s3->try a few things

[gray wedge]

rinse repeat

[swift tinsel]

maybe throw in some interesting trinkets if they so choose

forget cantrip daggers

[gray wedge]

I want to see what they're actually working on for post TLT. I figure/hope that's where the passion moved and they're just pushing all of this previously greenlit stuff out.

[vale pine]

season 1 is always the boring season ^^

[shrewd lantern]

well going from voidstorm to myth alnseer feels like a big jump

[dusky yacht]

Surely amiright

[vale pine]

the difficulty curve seems brutal

[swift tinsel]

idk I'm just personally not enjoying the content of season 1 so far, its purely having fun with friends in discord that's keeping me active atm

[shrewd lantern]

i forget how this trinket works

its just rng mainstat proc aint it

[gray wedge]

Pug keys are 100% not doing fun stuff lol

[gray wedge]

Gaze? yeah

[swift tinsel]

nope I almost exclusively do guild keys

Gaze is ironfur main stat stacks

each stack has its own duration

[gray wedge]

Tried doing a Seat last night, pulled each group of mobs before the first boss one at a time and then insta wiped on the boss to some ranged friend of the tank tab targeting the mobs outside

[swift tinsel]

Basically just better Vessel

[swift tinsel]

I think 4 out of 5 seat pugs I've run have died in the first area

like the full run dies

also did a skyreach just for a vault slot and on the first boss the other two dps were doing 57k and 50k respective at 260+ilvl

[gray wedge]

Melee stacks up for the double chains and kill each other

or the tank

[swift tinsel]

or tank falls over during gather

[shrewd lantern]

plume is weirder

[gray wedge]

Backshot back shot back shot

[shrewd lantern]

but it just looks like a rotating stat stick

[swift tinsel]

the number of parry/shield tanks that let themselves get backshot is insane this season

on many occasions I watch them run through packs and not strafe/backpedal

[gray wedge]

I thought it was a wane and wax trinket so you always had a buff

[shrewd lantern]

i think thats how it works?

starts at high point slowly goes down

then converts to the other one

and repeat

[gray wedge]

I didn't see that it flips to the other buff lol

[gray wedge]

Heals?!??

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure it does

[gray wedge]

Nah it just goes back to full power

[shrewd lantern]

so which version you have mostly just means which one you start with

[gray wedge]

Equip: The Plume's gloom grants you 21 Critical Strike, waning over 60 sec before returning to full darkness. The Plume's power also regenerates while out of combat.

[shrewd lantern]

am i high i thought it converts to the ither feather

[gray wedge]

You flip it out of combat

[shrewd lantern]

oh

[gray wedge]

Like the old priest staff

[shrewd lantern]

so why are there two

xd

[keen dome]

lol, EU's silvermoon phase broke. It reset itself back to pre-March and the March questline reactivated.

[gray wedge]

You can change it between crit or mastery

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah but why do you need 2 seperate trinkets to drop

then

[gray wedge]

Use: While out of combat, invoke the Plume's dual nature to transform it into a Radiant Plume. (5 Min Cooldown)

I think it only drops as the crit one, I saw two drop in a normal pug I did

[shrewd lantern]

loot table shows both

[gray wedge]

blizzard

I should stop adding > to stuff, makes it look like I use 4chan or something

[dusk olive]

Could someone help me understand: I was offered hero light's company guidon in my vault and it is simming lower than my current champion puzzle box + crucible trinkets. Is that correct or a simming issue?

[shrewd lantern]

should sim higher patchwerk

[swift tinsel]

likely shows both so you can see both effects

[shrewd lantern]

though i shouldnt concern myself

with gaze no shot i need plume

[gray wedge]

I got a hero gaze from vault

[dusk olive]

Yeah patchwork sims it much higher - so better for single target but kinda meh for aoe?

[swift tinsel]

puzzlebox better for m+ than guidon generally

and vice versa

[bitter echo]

How are we feeling about trinket sims rn?

[swift tinsel]

bp+potent powder want big mastery

[shrewd lantern]

xd

[gray wedge]

hot

I want to raid mythic again

L'ura looks so cool

[hazy breach]

It unfortunately depends a bit

[shrewd lantern]

i had an hc gaze in my first vault

[gray wedge]

Nice

[shrewd lantern]

didnt take over tier

[hazy breach]

You ideally want to use potion of recklessness for mastery in aoe, and if you do that+puzzlebox you drop a little bit too hard into DR

[fiery fog]

i hope the vault gods bless me like that as well tomorrow

[shrewd lantern]

i also did 10 AA and no box

i got one xenas ring after 4 runs

[swift tinsel]

ah didn't know folks were going that all-in on mastery by using recklessness too, thought it was a general light's potential angle all-around

[hazy breach]

Sims for big aoe seems to prefer mastery enchants+700 haste+guidon+recklessness over 200 haste+puzzlebox

[shrewd lantern]

i need to ditch my tier pants though

ts so scuffed

[swift tinsel]

is there a time threshold where that takes over or just in general big aoe

i.e. in combat for X sec/min

[still vector]

noob question but if I am outside my CDs am I just backstabbing / evs until full points and waiting until my dance/sectec window is back up?

[west tide]

guys what would u pick , i could upgrade my heroic gloves to 3/6 mythic or get a myth neck and pray to god i find some haste somewhere hmmm

[wanton mantle]

Took me 16 runs back to back to get pants from pit

[shrewd lantern]

oh cba farming pit pants

its not even an ilvl gain

[keen dome]

pit pants is a funny phrase

[gray wedge]

Yeah I took a myth tier helm week 1 or 2, whenever keys started

[swift tinsel]

our Pick Me hunter complained about getting a myth Omission

[shrewd lantern]

i mean thats kind of huge

ngl

helm is big slot

[west tide]

im not even wearing th epit pants i have them tho

[shrewd lantern]

big jokes in chat though

[gray wedge]

Yeah I was stoked

[shrewd lantern]

"who needs head"

[keen dome]

I'd probably take Helm if it's Myth. Or Gloves.

[west tide]

i needed this haste bro

[swift tinsel]

I've gotten like 3x pairs of hero Haste/X legs

[west tide]

my haste is 695

im playing legos with my gear

[shrewd lantern]

get the crown pants

i need to

[gray wedge]

I went counter sim today tho, took gaze over myth AA ring

[shrewd lantern]

im stuck playing renown neck rn

for haste

[west tide]

i just need the fuckin alleria neck

[shrewd lantern]

send help

[west tide]

ya dude

[swift tinsel]

I've been vibe gearing a lot

[gray wedge]

PVP one doesn't have enough?

[west tide]

same cause trhese fuckers are all like bro look at my sim number

[swift tinsel]

just aiming for haste # and chillin

[west tide]

for the alleria neck

[shrewd lantern]

pvp one is heavy mast

[west tide]

and im like bro ii need that

[shrewd lantern]

low haste

omr just pull a little

officer corruption

[gray wedge]

ye, that's still not a enough?

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

on the cusp at 699 haste with oils atp

[west tide]

i really might have to

[shrewd lantern]

nope

[gray wedge]

I have like 790 haste rn because I was gearing for law and then gave up and switched

[swift tinsel]

I can get iirc 24% haste with my outlaw set

[unborn salmon]

How important is it to start shadow dance with full combo points? I find myself sitting their auto attacking for like 4 seconds before each dance + sec tec because I don’t want to eviscerate and waste the full points before dance is back

[swift tinsel]

crit is kinda low though relative to mastery

[vale pine]

you usually stop using finishers 3 sec before secret comes off cd

[shrewd lantern]

its kind of a joke how little energy you can enter dances with this patch

[vale pine]

you won't sit there auto attacking for long that way

[swift tinsel]

I'm pretty much just letting my vault dictate my gearing

since I'm almost full hero with good stats

[unborn salmon]

Gotcha ok thanks fuu

[shrewd lantern]

occasionally you just bs at full pts

[gray wedge]

Mine aren't "optimal" yet

[shrewd lantern]

to not overcap

it feels weird

[stone vessel]

is it worth holding SD until I have 2st of SB?

like 1st SD comes up wwhen I'm 1.5 stacks of SB

[hazy breach]

You want to use 2 shadow dances during shadow blades yes, but you dont need both charges ready immediately

[gray wedge]

I send it the moment I can tech if I was bad and need to wait for energy and suddenly have full lol

[buoyant leaf]

Here is a question, for ancient arts, should I be intentionally proccing it during my Shadow Dance windows by overcapping combo points, or is it just a nice to have proc and continue to spend my combo points once I am at 6+?

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[hazy breach]

Thats the only time you should be forcing it

[shrewd lantern]

most of the time if you dance at full pts it just happens naturally

ig opener is slightly diff since you have 2 pre sc points

[buoyant leaf]

ok so once my supercharged points are done move on, that seems to be the main factor other than the stacks of ST

[stone vessel]

if I proc aa right before SD, do I use aa? like if I SD+ST macro I don't get the combo points refund

[swift tinsel]

premed bug

[hazy breach]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[wicked fox]

Hi, I'm looking at one of the best rogue, and he doesn't have haste, but still performs well in raid, is it only because he's high Ilevel? Or even in ST/Raid no haste is playable?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/cn/罗宁/叶落小红手?zone=46&difficulty=5

[shrewd lantern]

he has 700

what

[wicked fox]

wait what

[shrewd lantern]

look at the kills

[wicked fox]

how do I see the stuff he has on those kills?

or stats

[shrewd lantern]

gear tab of a log?

[wicked fox]

I can't find the gear tab x)

[void sluice]

Do I take BIS mythic track ring or heroic Gaze? About a .5% difference in sim favoring gaze

[shrewd lantern]

isnt it just the summary

[quaint lodge]

Press Summary -> Press Character -> Stats are written on that page

[grand galleon]

did the story bug? I completed march raid on NM but I have quest again and I see void pouring to darkwell

anybody experienced this?

[tidal solstice]

yeh i had to redo the raid

[winged anvil]

Raidbots sim is giving me gear that's less than 18% haste. Is that normal?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[winged anvil]

ty ty

[dusky yacht]

If you don’t have gaze yet I would 100% get gaze, absolutely sick trinket

But if I would have champ gaze I’d get the ring prolly depending on what my rings are

[void sluice]

It'd be replacing a vet ring, same stats

No champ gaze

[dusky yacht]

Man I hope my vault isn’t shit again this reset when I get home saturday

I’m worried af

[dusky yacht]

I mean vet ring sucks but gaze is just massive imo

Like replacing the vet ring is the ilvl boost option

But getting gaze is the dps boost option

[dusky yacht]

Did you compare them at maxed level tho?

Like gaze 6/6 and the ring 6/6

[shrewd lantern]

if its a xenas ring take it

[swift tinsel]

over hero gaze?

vs no gaze

[dusky yacht]

I got myth occlusion as only option last vault and I’m still pissed off over it, I don’t wanna talk about how many omissions I’ve seen drop and people couldn’t trade it to me, so much fun

[shrewd lantern]

i still have champ occlusion

or whichever is yellow

and hero of the purple

[swift tinsel]

idk you can get champ/hero ring to replace vet ring relatively easily, or craft ring, vs going from no gaze to hero gaze

[shrewd lantern]

ig depends on your other trinkets

i personally wouldnt go for hero

[swift tinsel]

depends on if they're gonna do myth dreamrift

if not, they'll never see myth gaze so hero is bis

is helpful when folks link sim when asking vault questions

[keen dome]

If I get xenas rings I'm hard slamming them without a thought

[shrewd lantern]

tbh idk whats best trinket if you dont raid

for the passive slot

myth skyreach?

[swift tinsel]

probs

[keen dome]

Probably yeah

I guess in theory vessel but, lol lmao, no.

[tepid trellis]

renown trinket most likely

[fallow nimbus]

Vessel if you like minigames

[swift tinsel]

yeah I discount vessel entirely lol

[keen dome]

At least getting vault just for Guidon / Gaze isn't too bad

Just a quick in and out boss fight. No raid locks to worry about

[swift tinsel]

I think renown trinket was just barely above hero prism

its been a hot minute since I checked though

[shrewd lantern]

would hero gaze even trump myth prism

[tepid trellis]

real question is what am i getting

mythic gaze would be a banger

[keen dome]

Prizes

At least one cool item

[swift tinsel]

bloodmallet thinks so

[lilac stag]

Fill your delves for banger luck

[tepid trellis]

fkc no

[swift tinsel]

lol me filling delve row first

[keen dome]

Delve gaze

[swift tinsel]

think I'm 270 from the 1k delves achieve

been slacking hard

[lilac stag]

Bottom row pumps the two above

[keen dome]

I wish I had a Mythic vault slot for raid

[lilac stag]

Tier 1 wtf

This is not the way

[keen dome]

I've not had as much time as I wanted this week 🙁

[swift tinsel]

think I'm gonna try and pug first two myth, or chim and imperator

[keen dome]

Imperator is super easy

And zero risk

[lilac stag]

aren’t you starting mythic this week?

[keen dome]

Chim is super doable but takes time and we're in the "Have prekill experince" pug realm

[swift tinsel]

next week

[keen dome]

But also zero risk

Which is rad, tbh.

[swift tinsel]

we need to do hc march yet, and hc alleria

[keen dome]

plus getting a CE via a pug is very very funny

[swift tinsel]

our RL was gone our 2nd raid day last week so we just kinda vibed

[tepid trellis]

just lie

[swift tinsel]

and got the last few folks their 4pc

[shrewd lantern]

i been slacking on delves

[swift tinsel]

I still love delves a lot

[keen dome]

Yeah if I wanna get into a group that i know I have experince for, I just lie. I'll put a "Best pull 20%" or something.

[tepid trellis]

as melee its literally just HC+

[crude dragon]

!UI

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[lilac stag]

I just hit em with puns

[shrewd lantern]

i feel mythic chim for melee is mostly just

you stand on marker spot with rift madness

[keen dome]

in pugs it's being a kickbot

[shrewd lantern]

othrewise no diff

[keen dome]

Being aware

Looks very straight forward though. Just the pug issues.

[shrewd lantern]

they just nerfed delves so heavily

dont think theres even op trinkets anymore

[keen dome]

Sippy energy drink my beloved

[swift tinsel]

delves have some of the worst trinkets mechanically

[tepid trellis]

it heavily favors ranged so the chance of you getting it is very fcking low

[swift tinsel]

the self-fear one or the 50% movespeed slow

[shrewd lantern]

does it actually

i swear i get it 1 in 2 pulls

[keen dome]

Maybe you just have a bad luck seed

[tepid trellis]

ive gotten it once

[paper vessel]

oof

[fierce lantern]

simmed these two and they didn't beat out 263 puzzle box or banner.... would there be any situation where they may become good? nerfs, buffs changes? worth grabbing one over socket?

[lilac stag]

just noticed sims not accounting for delay in guidon

[tepid trellis]

in the 4 kills + whatever wipes we had

[tepid trellis]

correct it doesent

[swift tinsel]

they're both kinda stinky

[warm marlin]

got it literally our first 2 pulls and never again since

[tepid trellis]

same

[keen dome]

That'd be a cool thing to be able to see in logs. A collective trend of which archetype gets which mechanic

[lilac stag]

living my best feelycraft subtlety rogue life

[swift tinsel]

lofibanshee graph time

[hazy breach]

I mean yeah but it doesnt matter

[keen dome]

Collating every cast of that mechanic in every kill and comparing it

[swift tinsel]

honestly sounds like fun lol

maybe a lil weekend project

[keen dome]

I bet you'd see some cool trends.

[swift tinsel]

take the proportion of melee and ranged per kill and compare rates of which class/spec gets it

[keen dome]

Yeah

[steel horizon]

Does going from heroic to mythic guidon have any meaningful impact? Or is it just a bit more agi and maybe you get your second sectec like 0.1 earlier?

[keen dome]

You could then do some extrapolation and apply survivorship bias maybe, could be really funny.

[gentle temple]

Is it worth running potent powder in hc L'ura?

Or the pad is not enough

[swift tinsel]

more agi mostly

the extra haste isn't much of a gain

[tepid trellis]

id p1 adds dont die then swap to it

if they do die just fine take it off

[steel horizon]

Yeah thats what i thought. Kk thanks

[swift tinsel]

once you have guidon at a level where with your haste it allows you to sectech twice in blades you're pretty much set

was like a 0.7% upgrade from max hero to max myth for me last time I simmed the diff

[steel horizon]

Yeah im pretty much seeing the same number. I was actually surprised that it was that high from a bit more agi lol

[atomic prism]

is my crit to low for sub?

[steel horizon]

Only the robot can tell you

[dusky yacht]

It might tell you your haste is too high, like way too high, try not to pay too much attention to that. Check the faqs for more info.

[wet robin]

sanity check, we shuriken storm once to use silent storm during ST?

[solemn lance]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[alpine wraith]

no it is only as ds as first builder

[wet robin]

ah ok

[fleet acorn]

M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒)
I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[swift tinsel]

the non-meta dps experience

[dusky yacht]

Play with homies don’t deal with fotmies

[swift tinsel]

getting declined from weekly 10's at 2700, is what it is

[fleet acorn]

noone plays high keys only 10-12issh

[swift tinsel]

the graph from last weeks key level distribution is funny

I need to finish my 12's for resils

but also bleh

[dusky yacht]

What’s a resil again

[swift tinsel]

can't depreciate

so its always at least a 12 til you time all 13's

so on and so on

[fleet acorn]

yea still getting not into a +15 and noone joins my keys only 2600 rio people sign up

[dusky yacht]

Sick, my guildie was mentioning he could get us one, I was pretending I knew wtf he was saying

[swift tinsel]

yeah they're really nice

so you don't have to omega mald if you don't time it

good for friend keys imo

[dusky yacht]

Yeah that shit sucks especially if it’s completely out of your control

[swift tinsel]

yeah, or like if you have to sub someone in and they brick it which has happened a handful of times

good for crest farming 12's too for alts if you have someone that has one and just rotate

[shrewd lantern]

*good for selling boosts

[swift tinsel]

that too

[shrewd lantern]

resil just gave some many boosted animals io

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm sure the title pushers love it

[shrewd lantern]

theres an entire blacklist

of people who bought carries in s3

[swift tinsel]

suddenly ratings inflate

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah I've seen the sheet lmao

[shrewd lantern]

thing is m+ andys dont care

pvpers you get routinely shamed

for it

[swift tinsel]

I feel like pvp at a certain level is a pretty regular community that sees each other all the time bc of pop size

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah pretty much

[swift tinsel]

m+ you get spread around a lot more

but still recognize a lot of the same faces at certain key levels

plus RIO will narc on people's alts lol

[shrewd lantern]

dont some people priv their profiles

kind of cringe

[swift tinsel]

ye I'm sure you can

[shrewd lantern]

also im pretty sure you opt into it showing if its an alt

[alpine wraith]

time to private all rogue profiles

[dusky yacht]

Boosting is so cringe like just get better if you wanna be better idk

[alpine wraith]

so they know we are in stealth

[shrewd lantern]

I mean boosting is super rampant in m+

due to resil

[alpine wraith]

most boosting is done just to do vaults

boosting io is done but not as much

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

[alpine wraith]

hey those were his friends

[shrewd lantern]

#1 sub tww s1

[alpine wraith]

the best kind of friends

[shrewd lantern]

(everyone played assa)

[swift tinsel]

the fact they didn't private log and he got receipt'd to hell and back

[keen dome]

It's funny

[swift tinsel]

like its one thing if you get boosted, but to come in here and post ladder and say "down goes the Russian" after you very clearly got boosted

[keen dome]

There's someone on my realm who bragged nonstop about getting ce and title. But they didn't have private logs and they were obvious boosts

[swift tinsel]

don't brag even remotely in that situation

[fast flax]

hello with 4set we always hold our 2nd dance for sectec while in blades?

[keen dome]

Like 1 kill or 1 key at that level fastly a ove any other they did. And they were dead for a lot of the run etc

[fast flax]

or do we send dance and then sectec even tho we wont have supercharger?

[shrewd lantern]

am i desensitized if i think ce isnt a flex

i think its become too normalized for me

[keen dome]

I think it's the person and context that matters

[swift tinsel]

I mean for our guild it would be bc we always end up around half the raid cleared on mythic

so it's an accomplishment relative to our norm

[shrewd lantern]

its probably because i basically play this game to that getting CE

is just playing for me

[swift tinsel]

but to other CE'ers probs less so I'd imagine

[keen dome]

Ye

If you got another CE that's a cool, good job

But if someone who never got one and worked really hard to get it got one?

[shrewd lantern]

some just feel like a matter of time

[keen dome]

Huge deal imo

[shrewd lantern]

my first one def felt more special

lmao

[keen dome]

Yeab

[shrewd lantern]

on 15+ its like

"finally i guess"

[swift tinsel]

if our guild ever decides to go for and gets CE it'll be huge

[keen dome]

When I pug chomariis ce it's gonna be cool and funny

[swift tinsel]

bc the initial goal was only ever AotC

and then it started as 1-2 myth bosses

[shrewd lantern]

anytime people dramatic comms over a kill pull im just like

[swift tinsel]

then 3-4 etc

[shrewd lantern]

blank face

lmfao

[keen dome]

But it's not the same at all to progging an entire tier to the final boss and killing it

[shrewd lantern]

or the classic

"fml i bricked my cds this must be the kill"

[keen dome]

Uaha

[swift tinsel]

I pretty much just log in and try and do more damage than the last kill I was in on

or try funny stuff if its just reclear/farm

[keen dome]

Having a DPS nemesis is good

[swift tinsel]

I don't feel compelled to sweat parses anymore

[keen dome]

It's something I miss with pugging

[swift tinsel]

being the only rogue kinda sucks for that

in amirdrassil there was at least another rogue I could compete with performance-wise

but any tier I've played rogue since then I've been the only one

still the only 90 rogue in the guild atm

was fun in nathria when I played WW bc there was another and I liked feeling like I had to push myself to outplay them

now its just me vs me

and I get enough of that outside the game lmao

but now I'm actually doing some log reviews with people in guild and that's been kinda fun

[fast flax]

hello with 4set we always hold our 2nd dance for sectec while in blades?

sorry prolly a frequent question but cant finde a reliable answer

[swift tinsel]

line up your 2nd dance with the end of blades

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

if you have the trinket do that

[fast flax]

even tho we do like 5-7 seconds of blades with no dance up?

[swift tinsel]

you have 20 sec of blades and <20 sec of dance

so you're going to have gaps

[fast flax]

ok sweet we do send dance

just that sectec wont get supercharge points

[swift tinsel]

assuming 7 sec dance roughly you'll have 6 sec of downtime in blades where you don't have dance, give or take a few miliseconds

[fast flax]

that was my doubt tx

[swift tinsel]

yeah

you can supercharge 2x during lust with guidon and appropriate haste rating

[steel horizon]

i gotta check sub faq more often. i didnt realize that we no longer want to supercharge that 2nd sectec

[swift tinsel]

I mean sometimes you just numerically can't

without big sectech cdr

[steel horizon]

like with 4 set and guidon, pretty sure it used to recommend doing sectec as your second supercharged finisher right?

which means you get some of the second dance w/o blades up

[alpine wraith]

the recommend rn is just second dance with 8 secs left of blades

[swift tinsel]

ye

[alpine wraith]

way easier than trying to snipe guidon dance extend

• supercharge sec tech

[steel horizon]

i see

thats gotta feel better for sure lol

[swift tinsel]

idk if I've ever really tried the guidon snipe since its only what, 0.2% ahead of just aligning dance with end of blades

[shrewd lantern]

Ask for the forbidden

PI tech

[swift tinsel]

no shot I ever get PI in raid with our comp lol