subtlety

[tribal blade]

you get to be 3rd worst now huge

it's an extremely niche way to play, i don't suggest doing it

sacrificing a lot of ST for aoe

[short radish]

yeah anything that the chinese players do

is always something omega degen and unethical

[tribal blade]

probably works out with how they pull dungeons i imagine

but yeah if you're an average player it'll be misery running that setup

[brazen stone]

ok ty ill stick to wat i got then

[sour quiver]

How fast does Coup De Grace come up proc wise?

[vale osprey]

Just got our amended roster through and me and other rogue have been sat (I was meant to be on) and I think there's 1 mdps??? 🙃

[short radish]

honestly you've dodged a bullet

[steel wyvern]

W roster tbh

[short radish]

you dont want to play this fight

[vale osprey]

Honestly

I think that's true

But I love smashing buttons

[short radish]

well then you'll definitely enjoy spamming feint and crimson vial

[steel wyvern]

why do ppl do

recruiting thru ingame mail still

are they roleplaying man

[vale osprey]

And lfg groups

[steel wyvern]

its insane bro

[wild vine]

Its one way to get to people that dont actively look for a (new) guild

[vale osprey]

"LF 1 mdps to join our roster <suck u nan guild> - we try get 1/7 mythic this tier ! 😊"

[formal marlin]

do you have to actively swap targets on lightblinded vanguards to apply attrophic poison to all of them? or does it apply automatically in cleave?

[tribal blade]

if it still works the same nimble does not spread poisons, but storm will

storm and BP

[formal marlin]

okay thanks, so it should be pretty much permanently applied automatically anyway, if all 3 are in range, no?

[tribal blade]

pretty much yeah

not something you need to think about

[nocturne pollen]

hi one question, do i wanna be at 2 shadow dances charges when shadow blades comes out of cd or do i use it as long i have 1 shadow dance+sectec ready?

[short radish]

1.5 shadow dances

[nocturne pollen]

got it, thanks

[still depot]

is the value of haste really low in m+? I am just looking at some higher logs, eg.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/r1wXhCARPnQV2tZY?fight=4&type=summary&source=1
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ymwG1r7Mp2VXaqc8?fight=7&type=summary&source=2
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PqnXKm9LapQT3NHj?fight=2&type=summary&source=5

i notice they dont even go reach their breakpoint in haste

[alpine wraith]

for overall going for 200 haste then full mastery is also a thing

but st will suffer quitea bit

but also higher key people actually do dungeons quite a bit diff than normal pugs

if you do pulls of 3-4 mobs it wont shine as much

[dreamy stump]

hello everyone
what are the best sim settings for AOE/ST ?

[steel wyvern]

fimbul

do i ever just take the bracers cause they are an upgrade

[lean arch]

So what time is optimal to save sd for sb?

[short radish]

i'd take chest/helm over anything

[lean arch]

does anyone know the rough timing

cos I assume you want both charges for sb window

[steel wyvern]

Hold if sb coming up in 10 seconds

You hold dance and sectech

[fleet acorn]

anyone use another addon for party cd tracking besides minicc? i cant use minicc cause i have set it up for pvp and doesnt work with my pve ui

[celest spruce]

Is there a % dps difference entering dance on 0 combo points vs max combo points as trickster? Like I know trickster 'prefers' max combo points, but what does that mean exactly in terms of numbers gained / lost?

[molten citrus]

the new Blizzi one or ZaeUI_defensives

they both require your party to also have them though

[fleet acorn]

okay i found a good one - m+ interrupts cc & cds tracker

[molten citrus]

which one

[fleet acorn]

m+ interrupts cc & cds tracker

thats the name

[molten citrus]

ah

[fleet acorn]

disabled offensives + cc

too much clutter have it minimal for only bis stuff

[tribal blade]

i thought blizz blacklisted being able to track other people's cds

or did they walk that back

[molten citrus]

most of the addons that do it aren't very accurate

[tribal blade]

war on addons is just slowly unraveling i see

[tribal blade]

mm makes sense

[molten citrus]

but there's a couple that require your team to have them in order to function properly

and those are pretty good afaik

[tribal blade]

damn so just becomes mandatory to have

WOOOO

[molten citrus]

prolly yea

idk the whole addon thing is just weird

[tribal blade]

yeah it feels like we're just slowly going back to what we had before

just with alternate ways of doing it

[molten citrus]

yep

and we don't even have a details that properly shows overall dps

[tribal blade]

the details thing really annoys me

[molten citrus]

let alone how much a singular ability did in damage

[keen dome]

It's an annoying situation that we're heading that way, but worse.

Great job, Blizz 🙁

[tribal blade]

details was so. good before everything changed

[molten citrus]

yep

[tribal blade]

they had just introduced the new kick thing

that showed casts of kicks/overlaps

was amazing

[molten citrus]

i'm somewhat liking midnight so far but the entirety of the addon changes has been a complete and utter failure

[tribal blade]

it does feel like that

the one thing i'm happy about is WAs not being a thing anymore

[short radish]

everything about midnight has been a failure except for housing and alts

[tribal blade]

mostly because WAs made my game run so badly lol

[molten citrus]

i preferred WAs to what we have now

[short radish]

same

i could set up my ui in 2 minutes

[tribal blade]

it does feel very convoluted now

[molten citrus]

i've never really had addons mess with my performance other than elvui

sometimes plater

[tribal blade]

it's more of a me thing tbh

i had a lot of frankenstein WAs

old ones i repurposed

[molten citrus]

had to be a fuck ton of WAs loading at once with the glow effect to mess with me

[tribal blade]

that for sure was nuking my game

[molten citrus]

one of my biggest gripes

besides details

is that i had gone through and painstakingly filtered white lists/black lists for player buff/debuffs

so i didn't see any "fluff" on target/focus frames in pvp

[tribal blade]

oh yeah that's huge for pvp

[molten citrus]

which is impossible to do now

[tribal blade]

i've seen some omega cursed pvp UIs

there's no way some people are getting all the info from tracking every single little thing in pvp haha

[molten citrus]

We tend to just need much different information but yea there’s def some weird ones out there

[tribal blade]

for sure yeha

before they nuked WAs i started to roll back how much i was tracking

because i had so much stuff i didn't even look at

just taking up space

[short radish]

i swear some pvpers just play on vibes

[tribal blade]

LOL yes

[short radish]

like look at pikaboo UI

[tribal blade]

some can track in their heads

yeah pikaboo is the king of no addons

he even said one time that absterge in one match was able to remember in his head when a cd had been popped

and did some insane play by timing it

[celest spruce]

Is there a % dps difference entering dance on 0 combo points vs max combo points as trickster? Like I know trickster 'prefers' max combo points, but what does that mean exactly in terms of numbers gained / lost?

[vale osprey]

Tbf people did this in league without timers back in the day

[tribal blade]

makes sense

[vale osprey]

If you can hold information it's really just cooldown + current time

[tribal blade]

honestly no idea

[short radish]

yeah but wow pvp is a lot more intense than league

[tribal blade]

better off not knowing for moments when you have to enter dance at 0 CP

[short radish]

like league is oh he pressed a cd

and you go back to farming for a minute

wow youre constantly fighting

you "farm" cds

[lilac stag]

See if he has a vod up, pug killed mythic Chimaeurs last night.

think he ended with a 97 parse

[hollow spear]

That guy just has a very expensive gaming chair

He doesn't need a good UI

[alpine wraith]

just HIT

[iron whale]

@vale pine HEAR ME OUT
about the League discussion last day... what if Sub Rogue replaced Shadowblades cd black fart visuals with something like Zed's Ultimate?

imagine marking your target, registering damage dealt for a replicated burst altogether after a while !!!!!!!

[vale pine]

i am all for better visuals

[lean sigil]

This one is up everyday i get it, been looking at logs 4 set and 700 haste both with lust and no lust, is there a reason to fit second dance to the very very ending of blades? Seems like top logs dont always fit all the downtone of dance in the middle of blades? Would it be a dps loss to spread out the backstab slush both in the middle and a sec or two at the ending of blades? Most important thing must be to get a sectech in second dancewindow?

[solar silo]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[shadow lance]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[shadow lance]

Might be the reason 🙂

[hazy breach]

I mean dances are 9 globals long, so that's 18 out of your 20 blades globals

So not much room to really move around

[lean sigil]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[upbeat cradle]

Oh so you don't shadow dance 1s before sectech anymore ?

[celest spruce]

How do yall actually track this? It's so hard to do this in real time

[dusky yacht]

Black aura appears around your character to left and right of it

[celest spruce]

Duh, I meant specifically the 5 stacks of shadow technique 😄 Do you put a glow on it post 5 stacks or?

[dusky yacht]

Or well on your screen I should say

[hazy breach]

In practice it mostly happens automatically if you hold finishers before dance, which you should be doing already

[dusky yacht]

Put it in the buffs list of cooldown manager

And drag that to be above or near your duration bars for dance and blades

[celest spruce]

Does this mean you guys just wait 2-3s before dancing ? Or use generators a bunch in a row

[strange harness]

On shadow blades should i save second charge of shadow dance until i get secret technique for getting supercharged or use it so shadow blades its always with shadow dance and dont get supercharged technique

[dusky yacht]

Last dance ends -> At around 3-5 seconds before sectec dance comes back up don’t use finisher, auto attack until shadow tech 5 stack -> backstab once to proc AA right before sectec dance is up -> sectec dance

[hazy breach]

No need to proc it before dancing

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[dusky yacht]

I mean you want full cmb pts for sectec dance anyway

Might aswell

[sharp ravine]

It reduce chance of needing 2 SS after sectec in blade

[hazy breach]

What

[sharp ravine]

nvm not needed as long as you have 5+ shadow tech before blade

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I mean

I don’t force it

I just see it as a bonus objective

[hazy breach]

You don't need 5

[dusky yacht]

Trickster wants to have high combopoints before dance

[sharp ravine]

You are saying that if I enter blade with 0 shadow tech I will not need 2 SS after sectec ?

[hazy breach]

With 0 no, 1 is fine most of the time and 3 always works

[tribal blade]

you just press whatever you need depending on your CP after sectec

[dusky yacht]

Well yeah but surely this is a loss of dps

[sharp ravine]

Im fine with 3+ then

[tribal blade]

kinda never happens unless you mistime

[dusky yacht]

You’re saying less work ‘is fine’, and I mean yeah okay it’ll be ‘fine’, but if you wanna optimise you shouldn’t be fine with fine

Like what else are you gonna do while waiting for sectecdance

Stab them really hard

[graceful osprey]

Goremaw

[lilac stag]

so you want poison bomb.

[swift tinsel]

Sounds like old touch of death or execution sentence

[lilac stag]

just sounds like bad

[placid crown]

Hello guys. Can someone tell me how many seconds is added to the dance after the use of the guidon please ?

[dusky yacht]

Time to go for a walk to the shopping mall with the gf

[swift tinsel]

Malls still exist? Thought they all died out

[dusky yacht]

You have guidon? If so just look at dance, press guidon, look at dance

[dusky yacht]

Croatia

And gf’s country has them too

Slovenia

[red flame]

Malls still exist in the US too lol

[dusky yacht]

Wild question why don’t shootings ever happen in US malls only schools

Those security guards must look mighty dangerous

Former CIA SAC mall security

[swift tinsel]

Typically they’re aimed at specific people or denominations, so schools or religious places of gathering are targeted

[dusky yacht]

Right cause they angy at them or whatever

Makes sense I guess

[swift tinsel]

Pretty much

[dusky yacht]

Sadge

Leave da kids alone cucks

[alpine wraith]

depends on ilvl

but full upgraded hc gives around 1.3

no idea how much is mythic

also depends on your current rating

[opaque valve]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid crown]

alright, so basically it can add 1 GCD under dance but probably not 2 even with myth 6/6 MM

[sharp ravine]

True

False

2.1s for Myth

Wait I had First Dance spec

brb in 30s

[placid crown]

ty 🙂

[sharp ravine]

1.4s 6/6 myth

Make me wonder if myth is better than puzzle box in m+ as it give 2GCD with first dance

[dusky yacht]

Can we pretend it’s not I don’t wanna get it out of my bank ever again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

[hazy breach]

Well my point is that you shouldnt be delaying sectech+dance until you have 5 sht stacks.

Because how many sht stacks you enter dance with doesnt really matter

As long as you have full cp when sectech is ready its good

[thorny ridge]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

i am exactly that

[dusky yacht]

I think I made a very questionable facial expression when I got guidon and gaze and finally put that damned thing in the bank

[fathom adder]

i like puzzlebox

[dusky yacht]

Like https://open.spotify.com/track/7apywiCuMzvSZIa0SKeH99?si=a7kBmGanRRmipEgsERZLlA

[dusky yacht]

The psychopath in their natural habitat

[terse wigeon]

see for dragons - are we holing the coup de grace for the add spawn or just send it with the BP macro?

I assume u wana ST > Coup de grace > BP as the adds get mass gripped or?

[dry flame]

NA ppls, where the vaults? I wanna tease myself for tomorro

[swift tinsel]

they don't open for another two hours

[hollow spear]

Photoshop something together real quick

[vale pine]

i like the mastery effect

i don't like 2 sec channels

[hollow spear]

Or just repost guy's last vault

[swift tinsel]

channels as melee always feel disruptive

[hallow mortar]

i pugged dreamrift, im getting rewarded tommorow

[vestal escarp]

[swift tinsel]

I'm interested to see what tuning comes about now that the race is over, whenever they decide to get to it

[chilly kite]

so like july for us

[eternal gyro]

Hello i play Night elf, and my sims dont target the minimum amount of haste, how much score of haste i need to target ?

[exotic bronze]

Hello folks, I have a quick question. Is it still important to be behind a target for the 20% backstab buff as sub? I was thinking that in raid there might be one or two scenarios where I'm losing that damage buff due to not being able to get behind bosses reliably?

[swift tinsel]

backstab's damage is low so its not as important for that reason, you'd still want to be behind them if possible to not get parried (even though trickster mostly covers this)

[exotic bronze]

That's great, thank you!

[gilded ferry]

imagine creating a passive just to avoid parry, when they could just remove parry

[shrewd lantern]

just stand behind boss

looks at dimensius

about that

[hollow spear]

I always stand behind the boss, even on Vorasius

[swift tinsel]

esp when they specifically blacklist certain abilities from being parried

the moment you do that, you need to remove parry entirely

[crystal bone]

u get an achievement if u stand behind vorasius

[hollow spear]

I'm farming that on cd

[shrewd lantern]

i once d keyed off the platform

good thing step exists

[hollow spear]

Yeah it ports you in front

Once locked myself out together with our dk

He flew off trying to run around it

I just stepped

[shrewd lantern]

theres something funny on cosmos about everyone fighting the pull

and dk is afk on his horse

[hollow spear]

That's completely fine

[shrewd lantern]

blizz decided DA is not good enough for rider

[hollow spear]

They don't have a raid buff after all

[shrewd lantern]

it needs to be 10s and a sprint

[trim adder]

Does ss fizzle if dance runs out mid animation

[shrewd lantern]

no if you queued up strike before dance ended

it still goes off

[trim adder]

I've had times where I press SS and I hear the sound but no points get generated

And I see the you need to be in stealth text but idk if it's my clones messing with me

[vale osprey]

I have raised a ticket with Blizzard - when I shadowstep Voracius it doesn't put me behind the boss???????? What am I paying for?????

[gilded ferry]

remember halondrus? those were the times

[swift tinsel]

Idk I'm fine with auto attack occasional miss chance but mob parry should have gone away when they removed hit/expertise

it can stay for pvp if they want idc what they do in that game space

esp since it also just doesn't exist outside raid

and every raid has a boss you can't attack from behind

[hazy breach]

~700, just as anything else

#subtlety-faq message

[eternal gyro]

Yeah but i get 1% haste more, and sims tell me to recraft my two crafted item in crit mastery (because i assume he target less haste cause is not human)

[hazy breach]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[hazy breach]

Ok that doesnt say it, but the dance extension is only from gear

[eternal gyro]

Ok

[hazy breach]

So the extra 1% doesnt matter

[eternal gyro]

Perfect thank you

[red flame]

700 is before flask + oils right?

[hazy breach]

No

[delicate moss]

is sending SS while high on combo point just trying to fish for ancient arts proc?

[tepid trellis]

its not fishing you know if you are getting or not

its to "force" the proc on a SC combo point

[delicate moss]

oh i see, that ties it all together for me, ty

my pea-brain was struggling with the part 1 and 3 of the tooltip for a bit

[lilac stag]

Apparently it needs to read 700 haste via any combination or gear, weapon oils, enchants and flasks. Your racial does not matter.

[tulip gorge]

dance duration at the end of the expansion will go crazy

[lilac stag]

Sectech CDR maybe crazier

[iron whale]

poison bomb is a random trigger

no?

imagine all this shadow clone play

on sub rogue

[astral axle]

Zed chuckles

[alpine wraith]

@fading drift another zed main leaking

[iron whale]

o no I play Viego 😛

[alpine wraith]

man viego is also cool as f

[soft oriole]

Yo rogue overlords, I have a question that’s probably obvious. In some mythic+, why does my guidon and shadow blades CDs decide they don’t want to be together anymore

[latent finch]

this weeks affix

[red flame]

Tbf I only assumed it was before flask bc don’t you wanna use Mastery flask & not Haste ideally? I only use haste flask bc I don’t have 700 atm

[soft oriole]

Ahh, knew it was obvious 😂 thank you

[obsidian crag]

are we getting buffed this friday?

[steady dune]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unkempt oak]

If the next pull starts 3-4 seconds after dropping combat in a key, is it optimal to stay in invis a few seconds longer to proc The First Dance? Or just start blasting

[alpine wraith]

you stay

[unkempt oak]

And then should we hold shadow blades to try to align with our first dance procs, such that we're in dance almost for the entirety of shadow blades?

I realize this happens naturally most of the time

[azure mauve]

the right answer is you spec out of that god forsaken talent cause no one will wait for you to get stealth let alone 6 seconds

[alpine wraith]

you can also vanish sometimes if you think a pull is winding down

and there is only 1 fucker alive

[stuck arrow]

But then you lose vanish as a defensive CD when vanish pops off in this set of dungeons.

[tropic field]

I just saw the outlaw and assa buff, will sub still be the top dmg?

[hollow raptor]

Almost certainly

[alpine wraith]

sub will be fine

[tropic field]

Thank god

Cba playing outlaw

[hollow raptor]

But also who cares, play what u like

My guild is running a frost DK and a bm hunter lol

[tropic field]

Hahah

[hollow raptor]

And a feral

[tropic field]

Arent ferals pumpers?

[hollow raptor]

It's also feral

[stuck arrow]

Sub probably better for M+ now than OL with the BF nerf. I could see sin being the go to raid spec TBH. Already kinda is for a bunch of fights.

[tropic field]

BF?

[stuck arrow]

Blade Flurry.

[tropic field]

Aah

Is assa fairly easy to learn?

[stuck arrow]

Yes.

But I don't think the difference is large enough that you have to or anything.

[tropic field]

Ah okey, doing mythic next reset and sub should be fine right?

[stuck arrow]

Yeah 100%.

[tropic field]

Okey cool, thanks man

[lilac stag]

if you have to ask, the spec is typically fine for your progression

[alpine wraith]

assa does nothing special but neither does sub

just play what you enjoy

being gapped by 70k dps or 60k dps

wont make much of a diff

[lilac stag]

assa just looks good on boss damage because they can’t do anything else

don’t mind the other 6 specs hitting boss damage and overall

[tropic field]

Okey

[lilac stag]

wonder where all or DK rerollers are from 3 weeks ago.

[tropic field]

We have a MM hunter blasting tons of dmg and a BM that refuses to play MM

[lilac stag]

BM isn’t that bad

[tropic field]

But he is below our MM

[lilac stag]

So are you

[swift tinsel]

maybe they don't like MM

[short radish]

still above you 🙂

[tropic field]

And they are like glued together so he can easily teach him

[short radish]

oh wait

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[swift tinsel]

it is a game after all, if they prefer playing BM for whatever reason then more power to them

[short radish]

(that was supposed to be a dig at rogue being bad and not you being bad @tropic field )

[lilac pendant]

Whats the deal with Kroluk's Warbanner why it sims so good

[tropic field]

@short radish haha i understood that

[stuck arrow]

I mean execute damage is always good for progression. And sin less prone to getting screwed by the anti melee design of the raid.

But like the difference still likely not worth bothering with.

[lilac stag]

Ye no personal attacks. We just attacking rogue

[swift tinsel]

a generally lackluster pool of trinkets

[short radish]

fuck rogues

[short radish]

sub also good for staying alive

which is also good for progression

[versed fiber]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lilac stag]

Funny how it wasn’t on p4 for rwf

[lilac pendant]

so its not a bug or something? its really an upgrade

[tropic field]

I actually enjoy sub a lot, first expansion im playing rogue since wotlk

[lilac stag]

Or p3

[swift tinsel]

pretty much any trinket that isn't guidon or puzzle box is pretty meh

bit of a wild west scenario

[short radish]

as much as we (incl me) are dooming atm

our profile for
ST/Aoe/Pvp is actually really strong

[stuck arrow]

Gaze and plume are pretty good TBH.

[short radish]

only problem is the raid is basically all cleave

[swift tinsel]

well yeah

[short radish]

and anti melee

so our profile is dogshit

[swift tinsel]

gaze is locked in for passive trinket

[short radish]

but m+ we absolutely pump

[astral axle]

gaze is stupid good

[tropic field]

@short radish yeah, not much of a pvper but i enjoy it in both raids and m+, tho i've always played mage so kinda miss being ranged haha

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

yeah mages are just playing a whole different game

[astral axle]

I think even a normal gaze sims for about a 2% gain for me

[tropic field]

I was so hyped about playing fire or arcane, ends up being dogshit at raid release so i swapped to rogue

[swift tinsel]

even post-nerf it'll beat anything so its beyond comparison

[short radish]

big mistake buddy

[tropic field]

Hahah yeah, cba playing frost

[astral axle]

rogue fun though

[swift tinsel]

eh

lol

the charm is gone for me so I'm just going through the motions the rest of the season

[astral axle]

[swift tinsel]

playing dev to feel anything

bdk tanking here and there

[astral axle]

i still like all 3 specs quite a lot :]

[lilac stag]

I’m fully expecting to not be in on much prog. Our roster is too big and at present we’re shit on too many bosses.

[swift tinsel]

sin and outlaw just don't hit for me idk

[short radish]

dw bench is comfy af

paladins suck

im told alleria is worse

[lilac stag]

it’ll come down to is the rogue beating you and you don’t have a raid buff?

[left ledge]

shut up and put atrophic on the boss

[graceful osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[lilac stag]

I’m running wound and crippling in protest

[lilac stag]

I think I’m also at weekly keys and that’s it. so afk until .5

[graceful osprey]

Honestly, rogue poisons need an update or upgrade.

[lilac stag]

and a toggle

[sharp sapphire]

well rogue utility needs an upgrade... we bring so little added value

[stuck arrow]

But we can sap before every dungeon pull. 👀

[brazen stone]

Should i wear a puzzle box in academy or just in general for keys i have guidon and gaze atm but been debating swapping to puzzle for some, not sure if thats cooked or not

[astral axle]

I think "utility" in general needs a re-evaluation, across all specs and classes. Feels like there hasn't really been a singular goal or guiding philosophy

[swift tinsel]

it really does

very much feels like a ball of bandaids

[stuck arrow]

I mean you can tell they have no clue when they took away AoE blind. 😂

[swift tinsel]

just kinda slapped on

[lilac stag]

Put it into chat gtp and ship it to blizzard

[swift tinsel]

like give all tanks lust, all healers brez

[lilac stag]

So spec dependent?

[swift tinsel]

role dependent

[lilac stag]

same difference no?

[swift tinsel]

more or less

[stuck arrow]

Some classes swimming in utility and and then others... 😂

Which fine - but there should be a power budget consideration. Having no utility and being otherwise weak is ridiculous but seemingly common.

[swift tinsel]

well yeah they entirely deleted hybrid tax

[lilac stag]

and the mage tax

[swift tinsel]

only haste taxes remain

[lilac stag]

and the hunter tax

and the warlock tax

one of these things it’s not like the others. oh hi Rogue

[dry flame]

NA peeps

[astral axle]

I think utility is just kind of nebulous, also. I don't think it is an easy problem to address, hence the "ball of bandaids"

[lilac stag]

RWF Bench … spriest vs rogue

[astral axle]

You know when you don't have utility.

[swift tinsel]

dk really highlights this, since their utility isn't shoehorned into a castable buff

but their ability to negate mechanics, amz, and grips are wildly useful

[lilac stag]

Remember when we could funnel

[swift tinsel]

SO many times you can IBF clear mechanics bc you negate stuns

[lilac stag]

I remembers

[swift tinsel]

DA blocks all movement effects

[still gazelle]

You think people will be jumping ship to assassination after todays buffs?

[lilac stag]

Only rose that wanted to play sssa

[swift tinsel]

happens any time there are buffs

[astral axle]

I've been playing a bit of sin. It is fun as long as you aren't playing deathstalker

[lilac stag]

People will jump when fight timings favor 2 min execute

[sharp sapphire]

i mean they could just some existing utility to us poor rogues. like have blind reduce the attack range of mobs to 8 yds like a pseudo death grip, or have tricks of the trade buff the tank with cheat death for a pseudo combat rez, or give us stalkers poison that works like a hunters mark

[still gazelle]

I'm playing Sub currently, just wondering if all the sudden people are going to be weird about being Sub in keys.

[graceful osprey]

I do think that they are trying to make through to the next expansion and then move into wow 2 so that they can reset everything and start fresh.

[swift tinsel]

idk if wow 2 will ever be a thing tbh

[lilac stag]

Excuse me, this would require more than the allotted 5 minutes of attention every 2 weeks rogue is allowed to have by the devs.

[mortal skiff]

wow 2 would need to have a full transfer of all transmogs / mounts / achievements to be a thing :D

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[mortal skiff]

just like csgo -> cs2 skins

[swift tinsel]

which would be a wild undertaking for them

[lilac stag]

ai can move the mogs surely

[swift tinsel]

with some people having literal in-game years logged into toons the idea of possibly abandoning them would be a big hill to climb

and transferring fully would very very likely be messy and incomplete

[mortal skiff]

when companys keep replacing devs by ai, definetly

[swift tinsel]

it would be an insane logistical undertaking

[graceful osprey]

Quite possible, but I think some form of wow 2 might be in the works. Maybe not a brand new game but some sort of new direction since the last titan is the end of the saga

[swift tinsel]

I'd imagine we see A Realm Reborn type deal

[graceful osprey]

Ahhhh yeah

[median nacelle]

whatever they do, i hope they still keep goremaw's bite exactly as is, love that spell

[mortal skiff]

and then we have classic players crying about retail and retail players crying about wow2

the endless tear stream

[obsidian crag]

depends, on some dungeons u have plenty of time between pulls, like nexus point xena, so makes sense to use that talent, in other dungeons, such skyreach, pulls are more frequent, so the talent can be replaced,

depends on ur team pace and ur playstyle in general

[graceful osprey]

Or maybe…all things must come to an end, we have to let WoW go

[west bluff]

a smoke screen would be lit, where adds have to enter the area to start attacking or casting

[graceful crescent]

Wished we had the love the chinese servers get.

[swift tinsel]

getting closer each day, the simplification of the entire game is feeling worse as the season goes on

[mortal skiff]

you mean the shutdown?

[pastel geyser]

wew

[stuck arrow]

I mean even within classes it's kinda dumb.

Why one warlock spec have more damage in ST, AoE, Cleave - and also come with more kicks & an AoE stun lol

[graceful crescent]

The titan reforge stuff

[torn tide]

is heart of wind any good, i got that as my myth gear

[alpine wraith]

not for sub no

[torn tide]

fuck

[alpine wraith]

i mean it is decent because it gives tons of agi

[west bluff]

heroics from raid are better but it isnt exactly bad

[spice matrix]

just in time for Sin tier

[alpine wraith]

but an hc gaze or plume is quite better

[torn tide]

hmm that was my only myth one for vault loll

i guess ill just take the bis pants

[pastel geyser]

buff sin and give me puzzlebox. hmmmm

[dry flame]

lets go 289 puzzle

[west bluff]

Yeah that puzzlebox seems tempting for assa

[graceful osprey]

I’m wondering if devs are just spread too thin or something. Some classes feel good, but some are meh. The simplification was good but I feel like it was too much shaving off

[swift tinsel]

they absolutely are spread too thin

[dry flame]

my puzzlebox sims 2% higher than guidon in dungeon slice and 0.5% less on pure ST

[wintry heart]

Servers broke for anyone else?

[torn tide]

its still not good even tho its highest ilvl for me?

[swift tinsel]

mastery pumps in aoe

[stuck arrow]

It's reset time, pretty sure they offline

[swift tinsel]

ye guildmates got booted and are stuck at login screen

[torn tide]

ye im not even able to get in either

[cold robin]

with better rn, sub or pirate

hmhmhm

[west bluff]

even so you gotta consider puzzlebox is on 3min cd, might be on cooldown in many situations where you wished you had guidon

[dry flame]

well, this week on my myth pug, a Havoc DH yoinked it and left raid 🙂

(its like extremely bad for havoc)

[west bluff]

that sucks

[crystal bone]

i probably won't for 12's, i think everything dies too fast. might try it out in high keys at some point though

[stiff stirrup]

Why is it always the same story? Sub performs well before season and gets nerfed and assa gets buffed for the rest of the season

[west bluff]

i wish puzzlebox was 90secs just like SB and guidon

[wintry blaze]

Is the Emberwing Feather any good?

[west bluff]

so annoying to keep SB up until puzzlebox comes back again

[alpine wraith]

not really

[gilded ferry]

sims telling me not to get puzzle box, instead, get dagger

[pastel geyser]

what do you mean keep SB up you just use puzzlebox as a 3 minute

[median nacelle]

u dont wait for puzzle

[wintry blaze]

considering i have quite optimal stat distribution

[gilded ferry]

im wondering if i instead get puzzlebox for flex assa

[humble furnace]

Is assa the smoove moving forward? Or we dont know yet

[pastel geyser]

are you going to let a clanker make decisions for you

[dry surge]

does anyone know of any decent guides to better understand how to utilize sims

[dry flame]

as long as you're sure you'll never play Assa

[swift tinsel]

well if you're doing a 1 target sim guidon will likely beat puzzle box

so not really that surprising its not recommending it

[west bluff]

i meant the opposite, sorry

it's used as a 3min trinket

[dull fractal]

it has to be dagger right? i have crafted one and vor hero

[swift tinsel]

we don't know what your gear setup is, its best to sim options

[wintry heart]

A myth track trinket being worse than two normal mode ones is insane work

[dry flame]

probably

[quiet smelt]

do we sim dung slice or patchwerk 5 targ ?

[dull fractal]

yea for sure

[dry flame]

both? didnt realize you meant for M+

[dull fractal]

gonna sim it

[swift tinsel]

dslice for m+ sim

[quiet smelt]

ty

[lilac stag]

oh thank god. mythic track vessel

[swift tinsel]

huge

[west bluff]

im stuck at login screen lol, realms might be coming back one by one

[swift tinsel]

massive even

[dry surge]

hope you love mini games

[lilac stag]

leech on chest 🏄 🏄‍♀️ 👍

vs crest saving head

[torn tide]

uhh why is it saying "Character not found" when i try getting in

[west bluff]

same, realms might be still booting up just like windows xp without SSD

[lilac stag]

bliz deleted rogue

[gilded ferry]

yea, thats the thing here, puzzlebox only winning in dslice sims for sub

but honestly, idk if assa will get more buffs or not

[torn tide]

rip

[shrewd lantern]

lul

[gilded ferry]

huge

[west bluff]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3180&class=Rogue assa seems to be pumping hard on paladins

by hard i mean way better than sub

[warm marlin]

assa is better on paladins yes

especially after buffs

[tepid trellis]

about 3% better than before the buffs

believe it or not

[vagrant sinew]

I dont believe it

[gilded garden]

Is assa the way to go in m+ now?

[tepid trellis]

in high keys probably

[gilded garden]

ugh assa is so cringe without implecable fix

[plush roost]

How come everyone says "is assa the way" and not "how is outlaw..."

[tepid trellis]

cuz fuck outlaw

[plush roost]

-blizzard 2017-2026

[shrewd lantern]

rogue still sucks either way

so does it matter

[gilded garden]

outlaw is just a clusterfk of a spec

[tepid trellis]

hey exile was like 6th on the windchime kill

sub clearly op

[warm marlin]

dear diary, it has been 28 minutes since reset and i still have yet to be able to log in

[hushed roost]

yeah man nerf sub

[plush roost]

Smile context not required

[fossil forge]

the bp merchant is asking the real questions now..

[swift tinsel]

this hurts my heart to read

[hushed roost]

can you guys let me into silvermoon please

[plush roost]

Dw i got no context hopium locked and loaded

[gilded garden]

i really want to know what went into their minds thinking it was a fun idea to give sub a 2 button rotation in m+

[swift tinsel]

brb saving this as well

[west bluff]

ring is tempting

[tepid trellis]

just went back to how it was before TWW

[plush roost]

Now u can rage or hopebait like never before

[tepid trellis]

sub has always been a KEKW on AoE

[plush roost]

Congrats

Df sub

Storm powder storm powder

But without an energy restriction

[swift tinsel]

also have this one for funsies

[gilded garden]

they really just gotta copy ninja from ff14 at this point

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-27554873

[shrewd lantern]

outlaw takes more thought than sub in m+

ngl

ss bp spam is

[fossil forge]

the rupture in the gif

[shrewd lantern]

the sad part about rupture

[gilded ferry]

jesus fuck no

[shrewd lantern]

if spending 7 pts on rupture did less damage than evis

we would have never pressed it

[swift tinsel]

rupture was full vestigial by tww

[west bluff]

i mean this is decent with catalyst? tier set is crit/mastery right?

[gilded garden]

What would you guys think about a shuriken throwing mid range rogue like devourer

[tepid trellis]

no

[swift tinsel]

no thanks

mid range specs feel weird

[west bluff]

that would give me old maplestory vibes

[gilded garden]

devourer feels kinda fun ngl

[gilded garden]

yea

[west bluff]

shadow clone triple throw

[gilded garden]

ilbi farming

[obsidian crag]

i would rather craft 285 boots than getting from vault

[swift tinsel]

idk myth track boots are fine if they're your best option

and if you have 4pc you can catalyze without much thought

[obsidian crag]

ah yeah, if that is ur only option for sure

[west bluff]

these 2 are the other options, would you rather craft a ring or craft boots/head/feet

[swift tinsel]

don't craft helm

[warm marlin]

why is there a block of minecraft dirt

[grand summit]

Sims are telling me that Myth Crooked Hook are 2% higher than Hero Guidon

Should I take?

[west bluff]

oops you're right

[swift tinsel]

if you're gonna craft any tier slot it'd probs be legs

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-memes-steve-prank-meme-gif-9233501247031718577

[shrewd lantern]

its so funny to me when i see people shit on nightblade

but support dark brew rupture

so same shit?

[warm marlin]

winning spread your ai pufferfish cats to somacord

[swift tinsel]

Nightblade at least had the dmg amp to a single target

[plush roost]

LMAO

[swift tinsel]

which was something to play around

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-pufferfish-cat-puffer-fish-ai-pufferfish-cat-ai-ai-gif-3219711934296360561

[shrewd lantern]

it was also much shorter

i.e 15s for 6pts

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-pufferfish-cat-puffer-fish-ai-pufferfish-cat-ai-ai-gif-3219711934296360561

[swift tinsel]

right, vs what 48 seconds on a pandemic'd max cp rupture

[placid crown]

Wait guys, the fact that the bloodlust does not affect the duration of dance because it's % haste... it means that the nightelf buff of +1% haste does nothing too ?

[swift tinsel]

correct

its just haste rating, no flat %

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[placid crown]

fack

[swift tinsel]

yerp

[median nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donald-trump-nod-nodding-nodding-head-gif-17122717518264543174

[warm marlin]

we will see whats up in reclear ig

[grand summit]

Do we sim dungeonslice or patchwerk?

[west bluff]

dslice for m+

[grand summit]

it says hook is 2% upgrade but I feel like im deluding myself not just taking hero guidon

[vast lake]

Myth Puzzle Box or Hero Gaze? Which is better?

[dull fractal]

lmao with myth dagger on vault

[queen rain]

What are you guys using to track interrupts in keys?

[swift tinsel]

to people asking vault questions, please link a sim so we have actual gear context

[grand summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ua94ndn6RbaYhRHoPh67na

What do people of discord

[timber quiver]

What about patchwerk?

[swift tinsel]

well hook is a 26 ilvl upgrade and does aoe dmg in a dslice sim vs guidon

[grand summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8JGwPPxh6Fv1VZSkHj5mCE

[swift tinsel]

so that will make it look more attractive in that context

[steel zinc]

Long term puzzle if you plan to play assa or keys

[warm marlin]

do you plan on doing mythic first boss often/soon

[grand summit]

I hope too but im not positive

[timber quiver]

If u take hook, whenever u get box that hook is gone donzo

Id take guidon

[swift tinsel]

I'd personally just take guidon if you do a mix of raid and m+

[grand summit]

I do a mix yeah

I was thinking guidon

but that sweet 2% increase was speaking delusions to me

[swift tinsel]

would wait til you kill it this week

[warm marlin]

I would do mythic first boss and then take guidon 🙂

[swift tinsel]

before taking vault jic

yeah

[west bluff]

oh wait that's big, didn't notice the socket

[grand summit]

I could see if I could do mythic imperator

[gilded garden]

just do it like me and open a new raid group and only invite people that cant drop it - only to not have it drop

[unkempt shell]

with premed - AA interaction do we consume AA before going into dance to not eat the proc?

[west bluff]

we do not lose sockets using catalyst right

[brazen stone]

team i need help... crit mastery belt but i have crafted arcanoweave belt and my trinkets are heroic gaze + guidon

[gilded garden]

looks like an extra socket angle

[west bluff]

i'd say the same

[jovial marten]

Sadly

[west bluff]

tough situation

[west bluff]

can someone please confirm

[gilded garden]

yes just look in the catalyst window - you will see the socket on the item

[shrewd lantern]

typically you dont lose

unless blizz spaghetti

[brazen stone]

do i maybe pick the crit mastery myth belt and then craft bracers with arcanoweave next week? (im wearing academy bracers atm)

[shrewd lantern]

i’ve had blizz lose my gem in my item though

[west bluff]

i just hope the socket isn't a visual bug in the vault window

[gilded garden]

i didnt lose mine - you also keep enchants afaik

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes blizz loses the gem you put in

but i havent had them lose the socket itself

[brazen stone]

im also using crafted boots, maybe i recraft and put the arcanoweave on those?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean yeah long term a belt might be a gain since you only want 2 embellish items in a final setup

considering they’re 4 ilvl below max myth gear

[brazen stone]

this is wat im working with atm

[west bluff]

thank god

[brazen stone]

boots are crit haste no embelish

so maybe i swap arcanoweave to boots and get the crit mastery belt

gotta make the haste up somewhere tho

[west bluff]

thanks @gilded garden @shrewd lantern

[shrewd lantern]

you could do that yeah

[sage pond]

Replace gaze with vessel

[shrewd lantern]

second embellish is largely dependent on your drops

[warm marlin]

dont do that

[brazen stone]

lol i hate collectin those things

[shrewd lantern]

idk why the guide suggests crafted belt tbh when bracers are lower statted

[frigid prawn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west bluff]

i mean i think the suggestions were based on first weeks and you'd get higher stats?

[shrewd lantern]

bracer is normally the weakest slot

why it was typically suggested in tww

[brazen stone]

ok i think ill go with belt over socket

and swap arcano over to my boots

can swap my crit mastery cloak to mag terrace cloak to make up the haste

are we supposed to have 18% haste with or without oils

[gilded garden]

700 haste with oils

[brazen stone]

damn 700

[shrewd lantern]

realistically its like 680 if you trust yourself to have no latency delay

[brazen stone]

i needa get me an omission of Light

[clever garden]

is this a myth box angle or do i obey the sim (feather) as mostly (if not exclusively) a m+ gamer? https://i.imgur.com/O88D3Vm.png
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bEbPiy1og8kU89KfEicGUL

[gilded garden]

I think box is pretty fun in m+

[tidal solstice]

box is great everywhere outside of raid imo

[still gazelle]

Also it's BiS for Sin

in case you swap

[clever garden]

Ew, with all due respect lol

[fiery fog]

i think a mythic box will be bis for m+

[void sluice]

myth track ring to replace vet ring or heroic gaze? gaze is +700 raid/+300 in m+ over ring

[stuck vale]

rip

[fiery fog]

nice socket you have there

[stuck vale]

No kidding, sim says to take the ring

[fiery fog]

isnt that high vers

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hand-back-away-dog-leave-disgusted-gif-15798798190133447846

[brazen stone]

LOL

[steel wyvern]

Wait the flawless form nerf was pvp only right

[graceful crescent]

Yes

[tidal solstice]

guess im getting new shoulders

[lean sigil]

is BIS list on wowhead alittle light on haste? i get it to 653?

[weary tree]

Oh yeah, but that's because you're not a bot

Get to ~700

So the bis gear isn't accurate

[brazen stone]

why does wox play 14% haste

[wicked fox]

is the haste cap purpose to use 2sec tec in one shadow blade or is it smth else? cuz I'm consistant on it at 608 haste

[keen dome]

rushing in to open the pins "buffs???" and they are empty. sad.

[weary tree]

in m+ you can trade off haste for mastery, but then you lose more STso really depends

[weary tree]

no. It's about the gcd's inside dance that you otherwise can't fit if you don't play perfectly

[fossil forge]

there is a rogue with 200 haste and 1200 mastery

playing m+ only

[swift tinsel]

yep

[weary tree]

yeah works for m+ if you dont need as much ST

[fossil forge]

ye

hes blasting though

[wicked fox]

how many gcd's do we want inside dance? I'll have to try this

[fossil forge]

hella

good tank

[sharp peak]

i want a reason to not take the ring, but it just sims the highest and it's not close 🙁

[brazen stone]

puzzle box 🤤

[dense geode]

you could just get another ring

and max upgrade it and sit on it for 276

puzzle box much harder to get than some other ring

[sharp peak]

pbox sims 2k under

[keen dome]

you need both rings too and it might never ever show up again

[keen dome]

so you should take the ring. I'm the devil on your shoulder

[dense geode]

Yea i dont doubt that, but crafting a ring or just getting a diff myth ring

is alooot easier than box

[sharp peak]

yeah but box sucks if guidon can drop any week for me in raid

[dense geode]

is that sim at max ilvl

or vault level

[sharp peak]

max

[dense geode]

up to what you value currently

[sharp peak]

i have hero pbox and hero guidon as my on use, with champ plume as my passive

[dense geode]

Id take the box lol

[brazen stone]

would pbox > guidon in academy be cooked

[keen dome]

I'm team anti-box

[shrewd lantern]

be me and look at crown logs

what the helly

[dense geode]

rings are easier to find, if you take box you can max upgrade to 289 and use that till you get guidon

[dawn cargo]

I have a 272 craft farstriders mercy, rather than recrafting with mythic, would it be worth crafting a different dagger with mythic crests? My other weapon is a 276 hero with haste and vers

[dusky yacht]

I hope I get Omission when I get home, I already have myth Occlusion

[lucid jackal]

@warm marlin

HJEHEHEHEHHEHEHEH

[dense geode]

rarely do you prio upgrading a ring aswell comparted to agi pieces

[lucid jackal]

WINNERS WIN

[keen dome]

hell yeah guy

big flag gaming

[warm marlin]

this a socket vault for me

L

[lucid jackal]

The bench is raditating good vibes for me ig

[hollow spear]

Again?

[warm marlin]

no my vault was okay

[hollow spear]

Are you Thanos, Ryldd?

[warm marlin]

i got 3 decent options

[lucid jackal]

Mythic gaze mythic flag

[hollow spear]

Stop collecting gems

Disgusting

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt charrend have both on mythic too

[hollow spear]

Don't even have a normal gaze

[lucid jackal]

I think the new mog is whats doing it for me

[torn tide]

this looks pretty chill ngl

[warm marlin]

fuckass renown trink

[hollow spear]

Putting the frame in the mog

[keen dome]

I am excited for my vault tomorrow

It's gonna give me something cool, even if I can't get the coolest things.

[hollow spear]

You're the glass half full kinda guy

[torn tide]

best of luck, surely u get god stuff

[hollow spear]

I'm dreading it

[shrewd lantern]

renown trinket too strong

[keen dome]

It's gonna give me the choice between a myth dagger, myth set ring, and I dunno, a hat.

[shrewd lantern]

now im a myth gaze and champ box gamer

[keen dome]

or every slot is gonna be myth box and I'm gonna quit.

[hollow spear]

Stop gazing at my box

[keen dome]

I shoudl go kill myth Chimarius tonight before reset but frankly urgh, urgh I say.

[lucid jackal]

My warrior vault is shit tho dw

[keen dome]

because that'd give me the chance at myth guidon or myth gaze but hoenstly way too much effort

[keen dome]

who'd they steal the wedding ring from

[shrewd lantern]

mythic splits?

[lucid jackal]

I'm just glad I found a mog that I can actually use the OG kingslayer model on

[shrewd lantern]

also isnt that trinket in slot 2 good

[lucid jackal]

So good

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[torn tide]

thats sick

[shrewd lantern]

i only like the first skin of og kingslayers

[mortal skiff]

👀

[shrewd lantern]

thats the hidden though

[brazen stone]

who??

[swift tinsel]

I'm a fan of the hidden skin first color with hero nerubar set

[keen dome]

it's gonna be cool when we can change the sheath slot

[fiery fog]

everyone and their mum will have weapons sheathed on their back

[wicked fox]

where do you get this transmog?

[mortal skiff]

i only grindend 1h swords when they are sheathed on back

[sullen hare]

I just saw THE bingusguppy in a pug

I'm never washing that hand

[keen dome]

swapblast them into a mechanic

[warm marlin]

ah i knew i recognized your character name from somewhere

[shrewd lantern]

m+er special

[keen dome]

hero

big first pull into 8 second disband

[alpine wraith]

ALWAYS GAMBLE

[lucid jackal]

Which part, the weapons?

[alpine wraith]

it is assa legion artifact weps

[lucid jackal]

How important is 700 btw

[delicate moss]

how much damage am i losing if i didn't want to play around forcing ancient sharts while capped on CP?

[lucid jackal]

Like is this fine, or should I buy a haste gem

[keen dome]

is that with oils

[warm marlin]

the actual number is 684

[lucid jackal]

ya

[warm marlin]

and even then if youre fast with it you can go below that

[lucid jackal]

Kk

[keen dome]

700 si the comfy amount iirc

[warm marlin]

i played like 669 on paladins

it was fine

[lucid jackal]

wanted to double check if I should buy mastery/haste gems

[keen dome]

Like the "You have a tiny bit more room to hit, etc"

[fiery fog]

iirc you want to be somewhere between 650-700 and its fine

[lucid jackal]

I'd rather not waste 10k if I dont need it

[fiery fog]

the higher you are the more room for error you have

[keen dome]

I'm running 700 because I am bad and old. So I imagine you can get away with less.

[fiery fog]

if youre a gamer 650 can be enough

[shrewd lantern]

Hidden of kinglsayers with sinful

[keen dome]

i'm so old

[shrewd lantern]

is so clean though

Honestly if red ghostblade was a black handle it would have been better

but they decided a blue handle jolly rancher looking ass

[wicked fox]

how many gcd in dance should you be able to do with enough haste?

[shrewd lantern]

8

[wicked fox]

then I'm a gamer yay

[light oasis]

Can anybody tell me why my build that ive been following in icyveins would have changed overnight?

Its a fair bit different today than it was yesterday and I'm not entirely sure what to do now

[tidal solstice]

wut

[alpine wraith]

what

[swift tinsel]

I would be very surprised if eleem upended a build overnight

care to share your old vs new build

[sullen hare]

niemals? yeah that's me. man I really fucked up trusting that group to 1 phase the egg LOL

my parse doodoo on that pull

[strange chasm]

@lucid jackal you think sin is the play now for the bosses?

[light oasis]

I cant find the old build is the thing. It basically changed my rings from Versatility/Mastery crafted to haste/versatility. It also added a bunch of crafted PvP gear in place of the conquest gear, and changed my embelishment from the iris ring embelishment to arcanoweave lining embelishment. It then changed my weapons from dagger/dagger to dagger/sword. The gloves were grim jest gloves, and now theyre galactic gloves too.

[steel wyvern]

I’m pretty sure you will miss globals cause of coup de grace if you have like 600-650

[warm marlin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

ohhh for pvp

[keen dome]

Yes, but I wasn't saying you should have less than 650

[swift tinsel]

check here https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/226359213427916800

[steel wyvern]

Fair enough

I have 686 pre weapon oil

[shrewd lantern]

people follow icyveins for pvp?

i just copy what nahj does

[vale pine]

classic

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

[lucid jackal]

I don't think a 0.8% moves the needle much

[shrewd lantern]

i like the stonevault "big" gif

into instant leap and die

[tidal solstice]

684 has been perfect for me

[lucid jackal]

Like the only actual playable rogue bosses are beloren and lura right

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1181574946321870999/1474155743987892366/bahahaha-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[lucid jackal]

On beloren, on sin ur basically completely worthless on the shit u have to cleave down, and also egg damage

but for lura it might be the move

It depends on when u get there specifically

I know exile DIDNT play it because sin gets its CDs out of execute

But if you get an execute CD by the time u get to prog the boss, its gonna be better

as long as U dont need the damage for the orbs in P1

[keen dome]

My new favourite is the timewalking "big dps group" into walking off the edge

that and smooth larry

[swift tinsel]

https://imgur.com/EVRehLn

[keen dome]

yeeees

[swift tinsel]

classic

[shrewd lantern]

classic players are something else

[cursive tundra]

@tulip gorge @lilac moss @wet atlas since you guys also asked and I got fed up with blizz: https://streamable.com/roz80w

I'm working on a First Dance tracker. it's basically like a WA icon, you can customize position and size and it also allows you to TTS when first dance is actually up
before I release it, any suggestions/ideas/etc?

i am not a professional addon maker, it's kinda barebones, so excuse that

but maybe someone smarter can improve upon the base idea

i got the tracking figured out

[wet atlas]

legend!!!

[warm marlin]

what does ur sim number look like with all this GV loot

[wet atlas]

Let us know when it`s ready...

[warm marlin]

im wondering if my crest sandbagging is actually paying dividends

[vale pine]

nice 👍

[warm marlin]

think ill be about 100k after i send upgrades this week

[cursive tundra]

it does not rely on any private aura stuff so it should work in m+ instances as well, I'll test it in a bit

it uses the same API as my vessel of tortured souls tracker

[wet atlas]

let me know if you need more testers!

[cursive tundra]

oki i'll upload it tonight to curseforge, but it usually takes half a day before they approve it and it's available for the public. but I'll poke people as soon as it's up

[lucid jackal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wufwivMjReQ4Tc7U3ivgQ

[stark osprey]

is it using C_UnitAuras.GetUnitAuraBySpellID to find aura?

[warm marlin]

okay it is paying dividends

let me run without supercharger inflation

[cursive tundra]

nop

it uses SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN event

which don't ask me why, is triggered for anything and everything

i don't really want to make it so well known that blizz nerfs it

[stark osprey]

it most likely won't work in m+

[warm marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qqnUiNBG7UDj8qXJqh5hiA

holy gapped

[cursive tundra]

it works for Tortured Souls and it works for my custom dance timer as well for guidon

[warm marlin]

4 dps

[lucid jackal]

I mean bro

Despite me getting god trinkets

I actually dont get mythic gear

[cursive tundra]

it knows when guidon is pressed and tells me 1 sec later to go

[lucid jackal]

I am not trolling

[warm marlin]

ye

[lucid jackal]

We did a split

a

"first 3 funnel the mains" group

4

4

Mythic boe leather boots dropped

They said "Were not giving this to a rogue"

and gave it to a feral druid alt

[warm marlin]

feral druid alt is crazy

i think it was a mistake from my guild to give me anything

[lucid jackal]

I mean, yes

[warm marlin]

this class blows

[lucid jackal]

But I deserve it over a feral druid alt

[warm marlin]

missing on gaze in vault is killing me

i will never get it lootcounciled

vault is my only hope

[lucid jackal]

Bro my vaults have been fucking juiced because they are only first 3

[lusty solar]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

yea i have pollution from dragons and paladins now

is it over chat

[lucid jackal]

[dusky yacht]

Lmao wtf is that attitude of people, bros were obviously just friends with the alt

[warm marlin]

at least its 279

[trail bison]

its actually the most depressing shit

[lucid jackal]

The attitude is rogue is unplayable

[fiery fog]

its playable for every boss except paladins tbh

[lucid jackal]

And alleria

[warm marlin]

I still have a renown trinket on bruv

[lucid jackal]

Alleria is like the worst melee fight of all time lawl

[fiery fog]

thats just a melee problem in general

[dusky yacht]

Must be why I was top dps in my first mythic raid ever on vorasius, literally unplayable

[vale osprey]

Guys where are all the VAULTS

I've seen like 3

[lucid jackal]

No flame but those bosses are free, and not even bad for rogue

[warm marlin]

i will probably find out this week but paladins was genuinely terrible

[lucid jackal]

It's just, paladins, alleria, and beloren, the actual walls of the raid, rogue is garbage can

[graceful crescent]

At work T-T

[vale osprey]

If my vault tomorrow morning doesn't have either trink I'm very mad

[warm marlin]

you just take 8 million % more damage from random ass divine storms in melee and heal absorbs that only go in melee

while also doing no damage because tuning

[lucid jackal]

Wait until you get to alleria

[dusky yacht]

Ofc it depends on the encounter and we need buffs but unplayable? That’s just dumb fotm talk, over half the people who think like that are guaranteed shit players

[warm marlin]

yeah i mean i guess I might find out tomorrow

[stable marlin]

I got to 99 parse on heroic paladins while being dead last on paladins last week , it felt pretty awful , just riding the bench to my mythic mount this tier it looks like

[warm marlin]

maybe they bless me by sitting me