subtlety

[west tide]

i did

[west tide]

W man

[lucid jackal]

Delete this bro

[ivory orchid]

Is there a reason blizz is hesitant to do what is needed or do they objectively see rogue as fine?

Or is it a resource issue?

[naive zodiac]

💀 listen all im saying is atrophic only works on one side in p3

[lucid jackal]

U can't just bring in a diff player to a boss like that 400 pulls in

[naive zodiac]

idk if we were muted but we would have brought atlas in 2 hours ago

[lucid jackal]

Theyd have to learn the entire fight, even if Ur watching the whole time, it's just totally diff actually playing it

[west tide]

oh god

[naive zodiac]

if he was in the facility

[plush roost]

Surely...

[naive zodiac]

but he was busy or smthing

maybe sick

[lucid jackal]

Nvm gg

[lucid jackal]

Dude I hate it here

[alpine wraith]

that is so sad

[gilded ferry]

goddamn

[lilac stag]

Imagine a working raid buff

couldn’t be us

[plush roost]

Maybe if we collectively jump off the side of voidspire together we can protest

[alpine wraith]

hey surely devo does not reach the other side too

kekw

[naive zodiac]

nah it doesnt dont think but ret just better overall on that boss

[earnest crane]

The puzzle box is a 2 min trinket or 3?

[naive zodiac]

nuke on every ad set and nuke on boss and immunity

[alpine wraith]

yea ret does everything you want

[lilac stag]

just run two rogues, then it hits both sides.

[alpine wraith]

• also has 3 aoe stops

or well at least 1 i think

[lucid jackal]

Yeah the solution is clearly 2 rogues

[lilac stag]

You treat it as a 3min on sub

[alpine wraith]

hey at least if rogue didnt get its cleave nerfed

[hollow spear]

If you think about benching the one rogue you have, don't. Just bring a second rogue.

[alpine wraith]

we would have even less st

[hazy breach]

Massive numbing poison value

With the second rogue

[naive zodiac]

tbf my char is pretty ass think rogue is actually fine only on that boss

[alpine wraith]

the poisoner

[naive zodiac]

rest of tier gg

[pastel geyser]

put evisc back on cleave thx

[lilac stag]

@lucid jackal are you in next week or still

[gilded ferry]

if you see a rogue walking around the streets give him a hug and tell him that it will be fine

[lucid jackal]

I'm in on lura

[alpine wraith]

rogue can always be fine but where can we be best

apart from pvp

[lilac stag]

So back to shitty vaults?

[alpine wraith]

jk 3 nerfs in a row

[hazy breach]

Did yall beat the bird already

[lucid jackal]

No lol

[alpine wraith]

it gets slammed next week tho

[lucid jackal]

Ww spent 2 days wiping to alleria

[hazy breach]

[hollow spear]

oof

[lilac stag]

[hazy breach]

Ive heard alleria is an exceptionally fun boss as melee

[lucid jackal]

Its really bad

[chrome palm]

bro i wanna

[lucid jackal]

Like this entire tier is bad for melee

And then u have alleria

Lmao

[chrome palm]

alleria is so awful

any mechanic is afk for 5s

as melee

[lucid jackal]

Guess what you need on alleria though? Death grip

Not a raid buff btw

[lilac stag]

we actually have the bad melee tier.

[hazy breach]

The cherry ontop as they say

[west tide]

chat we dont have one only a bdk

is it over

[lilac stag]

We call this an opportunity for hitterdk

[west tide]

im a one trick dude

[hollow spear]

you better prep omrdk

to avoid playing benchrogue

[lilac stag]

you can parse grey and do more dps than you playing sub

[hollow spear]

did they change something about the constellation in the last part of P3?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/michaelscott-wink-yes-you-know-it-gif-13342379

[shrewd lantern]

why would people go on twitter with a hashtag to lie?

[astral axle]

gg bro

[lucid jackal]

The same reason ppl told me on Twitter when I was freaking out about how shit rogue was would then tell me "dw sub has a 14% tier set it's gonna skyrocket

[placid crown]

Is there a reason that explains this order i can find on some top world logs :

sectec BEFORE other buffs ?

[hazy breach]

Bro probably just put them in the wrong order in his macro

[quaint apex]

Why the shuriken storm?

[tribal vortex]

for GCD track

😂

[lilac stag]

Force the the gcd

[tribal vortex]

yeah sad times

[placid crown]

why not a macro /cast strike /cast guidon ?

only for the pull

[lilac stag]

Counting to 1 is hard

[tribal vortex]

same thing

[placid crown]

well not same thing

you dont waste one second

[tribal vortex]

waste one second on a spec that wastes minutes?

xd

[lilac stag]

You can use storm outside of dance later in the fight

[shrewd lantern]

prob playing it safe

forcing have to wait a gcd

[lilac stag]

so it’s just your trinket vs another additional bind for from stealth use

[tribal vortex]

I mean you have a trinket macro anyway with guidon

so either you put storm or shadowstrike or backstab who cares

[placid crown]

it's just that you can macro it with your first attack instead of the second

[tribal vortex]

it doesn't matter

[shrewd lantern]

what do you do about other guidon uses

[tribal vortex]

also imagine being out of range of ss

and popping guidon

like just waste 1 GCD every 90 sec

[placid crown]

by ss u mean ?

[shrewd lantern]

i have no dog in this fight

as a non guidon owner

[tribal vortex]

shadowstrike

[placid crown]

alright seems legit good idea then

[tribal vortex]

when you are stealthed and open with shadowstrike so you blink

also added bonus you use the same for ds probably if you ever play

[undone ridge]

any macro tipps aside from the ones on wow head?

what are ur favs

[placid crown]

/cast Vol à la tire
/cast [stance:0]Attaque sournoise
/cast [stance:1]Frappe-ténèbres
/cast [stance:2]Frappe-ténèbres

my fav one

Vol à la tire = pick pocket

then it's backstab or strike

[undone ridge]

bro im a dog

i dont understand shit

whats the first one for

[placid crown]

pick pocket

[undone ridge]

i like frappé to drink

[placid crown]

like getting golds when you attack ennemies that have pockets

[undone ridge]

got it

[placid crown]

stance 0 = you are visible, then it casts backstab

stance 1 and stance 2 = you are invisible or under dance, then it casts shadowstrike

[valid yoke]

I dont think I can trust sims anymore lol wtf

https://gyazo.com/744cc380c5f16d346254aa6c4987a974

these are my stats but sims are saying I need more crit

wtf

[shrewd lantern]

dont trust stat weight

[lucid jackal]

What's wrong?

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt raidbots itself say to not use stat weights

and just use top gear

[valid yoke]

well according to logs of high performing rogues I want about another 250 mastery and another 140 haste

[placid crown]

but understand that pickpockt doesnt have gcd.. and sometimes it has (a very veyr short one, bit more like a lag), so need to press several times your bind to be sure both pickpocket and your attacks or casts

[shrewd lantern]

💀

[lucid jackal]

You want 700 haste

[valid yoke]

but then apparently according to sims as well my champion guidon is better than my 289 full myth puzzle box

[lucid jackal]

Other than that, just stack crit and mastery

[valid yoke]

which seems insane to me

[lucid jackal]

Correct

[plush roost]

Guidon is 1.5, pbox 2 mins

Simple as

[shrewd lantern]

well isnt a generic sim a 5min one

and box is a 3min

[hazy breach]

4-6 minutes

But yes

[valid yoke]

yea i do 5m patchwerk sim

[lucid jackal]

Blades is 1:30

[placid crown]

do a 1min30 sim then

[lucid jackal]

Box is 2

[shrewd lantern]

idk the 250 mastery thing doesnt matter

reach the haste point to do dance globals

then go for agi

[valid yoke]

right

[lucid jackal]

Having a trinket every cd is better than having a trinket every other cd

[plush roost]

In short, myth box play assa amen

[shrewd lantern]

outside of some cooked kill times

[vagrant sinew]

which flask do you have selected in the sim

[hallow mortar]

does this consider add spawning

[shrewd lantern]

i swear vora feels alr to have a slightly over 5min kill

and just hold your 4:30 blades to 5min

to go with box

[lucid jackal]

I don't understand how it could

[hallow mortar]

they are some brutal pad lines up on some bosses which make the trinket more funny

[hazy breach]

Those would not be accounted for in pure ST sim no

Nor should they be

[hallow mortar]

there some pure st bosses

[lucid jackal]

I can't think of a boss is worth it to go box over guidon

[hallow mortar]

i was thinking if mythic puzzle spawn in vault if i wanted it or no

against some more serious pick

[lucid jackal]

You want it for sin

For sub, not really

[valid yoke]

yea but isnt sin just... inting atm anyways?

or am I wrong there

[hazy breach]

Sin is fine

[frail kindle]

Sin isn’t bad

[fallow glade]

sin is as inting as sub

[hallow mortar]

there is good chance i play sin on end bosses before i reach them 😄

[lucid jackal]

If sin is inting rogue is inting

[hallow mortar]

with the swapping mark tech

[hazy breach]

You dont play deathstalker anyway

[lucid jackal]

You don't play ds on sin though

[hallow mortar]

sadge

i mean

fuck ds but

they kinda killed it

does it still sim beter for sub than trickster? still yet to see people play it

[analog hearth]

Ds sin used to be very fun with dry shiv massive envenom in tww

[hazy breach]

They made fatebound playable, is that killing deathstalker?

[hazy breach]

Theyre practically the same

So why bother playing the thing that requires more effort and has less aoe burst/cleave

[hallow mortar]

pugged dreamrift today, was great achievment, i think i was in like 10+ pugs before that 😄

so sad, think echo better off going to sleep

[bold crescent]

Can anyone explain to me, why so many top logs are still using the crucible trinket?

[shrewd lantern]

because its good

[bold crescent]

is it better than mythic guidon and hero gaze paired?

[tulip light]

real upgrades (guidon + gaze) can be hard to get

no

[shrewd lantern]

not everyone has

its week 2

[bold crescent]

I see, well guess I'm lucky then lol

[tulip light]

ofc u are week 2 both bis trinkets one being mythic

[hazy breach]

The voidstorm trinket is better than anything you can get from m+

But gaze and plume are both better

[bold crescent]

It feels so wrong playing these two while so many people are playing the crucible 😄

[shrewd lantern]

gaze is like massive on alot of classes

and rogue is kind of not great this tier

so lower prio sometimes

[bold crescent]

true

I see I see

thanks for your feedback guys

I see myself as lucky then 😛

[tame notch]

Why is PI so bad for us?

[valid yoke]

do you guys focus on getting the 700 haste first or do you just use a haste flask to get to 700?

[tame notch]

I use flask but i saw ppl get haste from eq and mastery flask i think its ~ same result

[tepid trellis]

we already overcap on ShT stacks, so the only thing we get from PI is more auto attack dmg and a slight lower cd on Sectech which doesent do anything really

[lucid jackal]

Doesnt matter

Figure out a way to get to 700 and then crit/mastery the rest

[valid yoke]

right

[tame notch]

!log

[sacred reef]

what is the play with using sec teq/shadow dance to allow two dances to be stocked for every blades? i've seen shindigg rip solo sec teqs to allow everything to line up, is this correct?

[tame notch]

After 2 blades u can send 1 sectec solo on cd then it lines up perfectly

But with guideon and 4 set I didn't experience this problem tbh idk

[sacred reef]

so guidon is ranked high because it fixes our wonky timings?

[tepid trellis]

also gives you extra dance uptime

more globals in dance = good

[hazy breach]

If there was a 90 second cd trinket that gave us crit or mastery instead of haste like guidon we probably would play that over guidon

But there aint

[west tide]

i can only get to 695

gg

[sacred reef]

are sims accurate for guidon then? how low of an ilvl can it be to be potentially bis

[tepid trellis]

the wonky timers more so comes from the fact that blades is a 90sec cd

and dance + sectech is 20

[hazy breach]

Ye sims are good

[tame notch]

Can someone review my logs? I'd appreciate :D

[sweet moss]

Lads im a rogue otp, what is a fun melee spec to play as 2nd

dont say ret pala

[lucid jackal]

Ret

[sweet moss]

cause pink on the meters too ugly for me

[lucid jackal]

Melee is kinda dogshit rn so like

If u want playable melee its ret Arms/fury and then UDK

If u want fun melee Ive heard enhance is fun

[shrewd lantern]

devourer

just pretend to be in melee

[sweet moss]

Yeah its between Arms/UDK/Enhance/Dev

but like

[shrewd lantern]

only downside to enh is you die

[sweet moss]

fuck

[shrewd lantern]

if the boss sneezes too hard

[sweet moss]

yeah...

fr

[lucid jackal]

Another downside, its bad

[spice crag]

if you always evis at 2 and under targets, why are people spamming black powder in mythic dragons when there's no adds up?

[sweet moss]

i played dev the most

and its fun

but kinda zesty

idk

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt dev have a build that mostly plays in melee

unholy the only downside is you have a pet ai

and blizz has a great track record with thos

[pastel geyser]

i think its the delve build but i didnt like it

[tepid trellis]

nope still mostly ranged

[west tide]

2 is chill with the bp talent

[tepid trellis]

you just dash in just before meta and during it for like 10 sec

then you are out again

[shrewd lantern]

isnt devourer's chaos nova

basically lock stun but instant

[tepid trellis]

targeted

but yes

[shrewd lantern]

yeah instant shadowfury

as opposed to havoc/vdh being around them

[spice crag]

is it actually higher to BP with talent on 2 target than evis?

[shrewd lantern]

dk is pseudo ranged though

[sweet moss]

What about survival hunters lad

[west tide]

yes with the talent

[shrewd lantern]

also you get to lmao at so many mechanics

with double horse

[sweet moss]

how zesty is surv hunter?

maybe thats the angle

if stats are similar to MM and shit

[shrewd lantern]

sv plays double dagger

[lucid jackal]

Why would u play survival when MM is the best spec in the game

Is kinda the issue with surv

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

unholy and devourer theres none of that

[jade oasis]

with warr

ur always needed in phys comps in keys atleast :)

[shrewd lantern]

i mean every time i check warrior discord

its someone complaining their spec isnt good in keys

[swift tinsel]

Where’d exile end up at the end of the fight meter-wise?

[wintry heart]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[molten citrus]

max was looking at the log earlier i think

[lucid jackal]

Worse than a DK

[swift tinsel]

Ah thanks, I’ll have to snipe the vod when I get home

[molten citrus]

couldn't find anywhere in the vod where he showed the entire fight's damage

[naive zodiac]

ingame dmg meter is worthless rogue was like lower middle of pack with akaaris added properly

[molten citrus]

damn

[swift tinsel]

Your resilience is legendary for sticking to sub the whole time

[naive zodiac]

upper end in p3 upper end in p4 because no one had cds

[tame notch]

Hello I posted my logs to review here can someone take a look? 🥹 https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1490862477766951133

[jade oasis]

shoulda played outlaw

[crude radish]

what do you guys do for rotation in saprish, the 3 target boss fight in seat
ive tried it all, damage is always shit that fight

[shrewd lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[frail kindle]

what do u think about assa for that fight

feel like assa should crank p3

obv shittier add dam though

[tribal blade]

the only thing you can do is get your tank to pull stuff into the boss

sub is the worst cleave spec in the game

[naive zodiac]

good if ur guild gets to execute for the lust

prob

[tribal blade]

HUGE GRATS!!!

massive kill

[radiant swift]

does anyone have the excel table with how often a spec has been above average dmg/expansion?

[fiery fog]

honestly devourer is pretty neat and simple

though its not really melee

dev for some reason has like 3 giga long dashes that go as far as a shadowstep

and your whole rotation is 4 buttons no matter what situation

[short radish]

rogues are known for their mobility 🙂

[fiery fog]

shadowstep honestly feels really bad ngl

needing to target something to be able to jump there

meanwhile dev can just jump the whole pit tunnel in 3 dashes it feels like

though sprint is nice

[fiery fog]

dmg will always be bad in cleave situations though on 3 targets you just strike in dance and spam bp always

[sweet moss]

yeah the blink does feel weird though, idk why it doesnt just work like shimmer, u gotta actually position ur c ursor for it

[fiery fog]

well its not a blink

its a dash

[sweet moss]

yaeh ig thats why

[fiery fog]

you also cant dash through stuff like the beams in nexus point with it

[sweet moss]

yeah i tried that lmao

[fiery fog]

xd

[tame notch]

Does playing pandaren make a real difference?

[fiery fog]

unless youre rwf

no

[sweet moss]

70agi or smthin

probs 0.3% dps

big

😄

[fiery fog]

you mainly need less haste on your gear as panda

[still depot]

Quick question with vorasius, so sectech is based around your target(correct me if I'm wrong). The last set of adds are pretty much in cleave range of vorasius, do people just sectech the boss on the last set?

[fiery fog]

i have not once switched off that boss unless ive gotten an add in the first wave or something

[still depot]

I see I see

Ty

[sweet moss]

sub optimal padding

smh

[swift tinsel]

Sub (is) optimal padding

[shrewd lantern]

slight sim gain if you got money to throw away

probably loses to dwarf next tier

racials dont matter for 90% of people

[swift tinsel]

Panderen only pulls ahead if you have food buff at all times

[frail compass]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

imagine not having food buff up

[swift tinsel]

I keep full stacks of hearty royal roast on me at all times except when I click Deposit All Warbound shit and it throws those in my bank and I forget

Which is annoying af

[azure thicket]

we timed a 14 aa with 8 deaths

bruh

[swift tinsel]

Ez

[shrewd lantern]

safest bet is just play a race that is consistently good

i.e dwarf or human

[fiery fog]

thanks to people like you i can always eat for free

[short radish]

is human consistently good?

[shrewd lantern]

well not dwarf if you want mogs to look good

its not terrible

[fiery fog]

just play nelf and look good

looks > dps

[short radish]

i thought it's always just above average at best

that being said i always play human

[shrewd lantern]

dwarf is usually near the top

[short radish]

because i need the stun break

[shrewd lantern]

but you gotta look at a dwarf

which is a huge L

[swift tinsel]

That’s personal food lil gup

[short radish]

i just use the glamor item

can rotate the TWW and midnight one

[shrewd lantern]

thats why i did

[short radish]

for 100% uptime

look maxing

[shrewd lantern]

wait theres a midnight one?

[hazy breach]

Also the food costs like 10g or something per use

[azure thicket]

aoe nerfs...justified....

[shrewd lantern]

[hazy breach]

Its not expensive at all

[fiery fog]

sometimes i wonder how people are making money without boosting or any profession stuff

[azure thicket]

wow tokens

[short radish]

[fiery fog]

but this expansion has been really expensive

[azure thicket]

ye 20 flasks for 10k is diabolical

[fiery fog]

already spent like 1 mil gold on enchants/consumables and stuff

because of 3 chars

[shrewd lantern]

also holy shit

there are midnight glamours

[fiery fog]

a what now

[short radish]

you're welcome

[shrewd lantern]

the enchanting consumes

that make you a non shit race

for an hour

[fiery fog]

arent there some shiny rocks that cost 30k each where you can take the appearance from anyone in your party

even looking like a fat owl

or any other forms

[azure thicket]

i'd rather there be like..30 minute flasks and 1 hour flasks that were more spensive

if they're gonna keep it this way

[fiery fog]

alchemy is basicly mandatory atm

you save so much gold

[shrewd lantern]

first season is always expensive

[short radish]

ye

[shrewd lantern]

also @short radish

scammed?????

[short radish]

did i gaslamp myself

i swear they were on different cd

[shrewd lantern]

the midnight ones are dirt cheap

though

[short radish]

ye

[shrewd lantern]

but you play human

so no need

[swift tinsel]

Transmorpher ez

[shrewd lantern]

12h cd

[short radish]

nah i remade a dwarf shaman

which is why i bought these

oh well my b

[shrewd lantern]

people stop coordinating

using them every hour

[shrewd lantern]

real

[swift tinsel]

I just said fuck the minor dps gain and went for the model I like the most for transmog

[shrewd lantern]

i have most op racial rn

50% off transmog

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

actually the dumbest flavor racial ever

[swift tinsel]

I thoroughly enjoy my double hearthstone

I mean it wasn’t pointless before they revamped transmog

But now it utterly is

[shrewd lantern]

its still useful

when i change my mind on a weapon

or a set

[short radish]

meanwhile ive used the same xmog for the last 15 years or whenever xmog came o ut

t1 rogue set gang gang

[shrewd lantern]

worst set

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[shrewd lantern]

didnt they revamp that set

[short radish]

t2

pretty sure

[shrewd lantern]

no t1

with the starter boost set

[short radish]

have i been using an outdated xmog

i mean i always was

but is it even more outdated

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/transmog-set=1949/lightdrinker-armor was this set not a revamp

without the boob shoulder

[short radish]

oh yeah it was

i didnt like it

the boob shoulders are goated

[shrewd lantern]

i feel like i was one of the few people that liked og t6

and no not the pvp one that is glorified to infinity because of reckful

[swift tinsel]

eh slayer set is decent

[shrewd lantern]

well i use the revamped version

pvp elite though

[short radish]

is that t2?

[swift tinsel]

t6

[short radish]

ah

[shrewd lantern]

the set that got redone for tomb of sargeras

[short radish]

kk

t2 is cringe

[shrewd lantern]

vampire collar

[swift tinsel]

ye

blood-filled shoulders

I kinda like the mage tower colors but finding good daggers for it is kinda eh

[short radish]

i wish the CM set was better

[shrewd lantern]

the elite is just too clean

[short radish]

for rogue

[swift tinsel]

I wish I was less casual in MoP and got the CM sets

[short radish]

paladin one looks absolute peek

[swift tinsel]

I loved the paladin and dk ones

[short radish]

i only have rogue and paladin

[shrewd lantern]

Just look at those things

[swift tinsel]

ye that's pretty slick

today I saw someone with pvp-exclusive wep illusions and today I learned that's a thing lol

I thought they just got a unique armor set

[shrewd lantern]

i mean theres one every season

except bfa just got one

for the entire expac

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'd never known that existed before

thought they just got tier set recolors and a mount for glad

[shrewd lantern]

df s2 you got

shadowflame

this season's is pretty graphic too

galaxy

[swift tinsel]

those Voidwell purple wep models look kinda neat

the Sunwell recolors

Purple Bow of Quel'thalas is cool

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1okkqof/wow_midnights_new_pvp_rewards_galaxy_illusion/

lol

[swift tinsel]

lmfao that has to be a joke

there's no fucking way

that's so visually obnoxious hahaha

[shrewd lantern]

its a very bright enchant

[jade oasis]

wait this is sick

i wish

there was a full black mask

[shrewd lantern]

just play blitz

[jade oasis]

like the defias bandit one

there’s like the really dark brown one

[swift tinsel]

I just hate everything about pvp lol

idk how younger me liked it

[short radish]

HURRR DURR IF ITS RED ITS DEAD

IM SO COOL AND EDGY

WOW I STICK IN STEALTH AND 100-0 THIS GUY IN A STUN

[swift tinsel]

I did have two friends I played with literally every single day and they were my arena team when we did pvp lol

I played warrior then though in cata

[short radish]

dw i hate younger me as well

[swift tinsel]

we played WLS and fucked around the whole time then did bgs and dungeons lol

good times

then they quit to play League and I never talked to them again

[short radish]

league gamers

[swift tinsel]

yeah this was like 2011

early early LoL days

I tried it but it wasn't for me

love watching it but not so much playing it

[shrewd lantern]

the best pvp nowadays is to whirling surge someone very high up

and watch them plummet to their death

[swift tinsel]

that's how my solo adventures as an LFR casual in wow began lmao

[shrewd lantern]

though you cant whirling surge dismount druids

since game doesnt count them mounted

[elfin magnet]

Is there something wrong with the 1h tricks of the trade? Youre supposed to get a 1h buff if you have it talented right? Cause for some reason now its not working in delves for me. I get the 30s buff as usual but not the 1h one.

[swift tinsel]

only if you hit something

you need to attack with the 30sec buff to start transferring threat, then it becomes the 1hr buff

[elfin magnet]

OOOOOOOOOOO

Thanks

[swift tinsel]

🫡

[elfin magnet]

I never looked at my buffs so I never realized you had to 'proc' it essentially.

[swift tinsel]

yeah its a really common question

and iirc if you die it goes away

but not if the tank dies so mobs will beeline for them when they rez which is funny sometimes

my guildmates still haven't figured that out when it happens and I like to keep up the mystery of why mobs keep going for the tank when they rez lol

[elfin magnet]

I only do delves/lfr, sub rogue has made it stupidly more enjoyable. I want my hunter to be able to tame valeera.

[swift tinsel]

[shrewd lantern]

pugs confused why mobs still are on the tank

post death

is the best

[swift tinsel]

esp when its a big pull

first pull floodgate was my fav when that happened

[shrewd lantern]

its funny in priory

since its all one open space

[swift tinsel]

see a handful of Shredders come lumbering towards them

[jade oasis]

it’s so fun rn for me atleast

double dps trinket sub rogue

i one shot or i die

[shrewd lantern]

i mean people play double trinket as human sometimes

[molten citrus]

i just found something that will go so hard with this btw

[shrewd lantern]

depending on class

probably troll to play as rogue but

dk i can see it

[shrewd lantern]

lmao what

[molten citrus]

Researcher's Shadowgraft

its a 1hr toy buff that makes your entire model Void

and is super ez to get

[shrewd lantern]

it makes you blue

[hazy lichen]

guys

do i upgrade myth guidon

[molten citrus]

can also use it in combination with this toy

[jade oasis]

im nelf

:p

nelf or orc only
way man

[shrewd lantern]

[hazy lichen]

with oils

[lucid jackal]

Time to spend some crests on a ring

[true citrus]

dont do it

[azure thicket]

it's not the most inspired mog but the new silvermoon mogs are nice, belt and pants are a large ye

the belt texture interacting with the tabard is very nice ez 10

[flint parrot]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[lime elm]

anybody got any good arc ui sub rogue profiles?

[torpid heath]

So i just got back into the Rogue world, could someone explain to me Sub Rogue apex talents in simpler words? Im deadass confused how it works 💀

[lucid jackal]

Generators give u a proc

Proc makes finisher do bonus damage

[short radish]

so how familiar are you with banking, revenue and interest?

[lucid jackal]

There are some situations where u use a generator, even at max cp to activate the proc for more damage on Ur finisher

[torpid heath]

https://tenor.com/view/best-man-holiday-black-guy-crying-black-guy-funeral-black-guy-crying-at-funeral-funeral-crying-gif-4006062888161857521

[short radish]

So basically you're a service industry worker that gets paid in Cash (Combo Points) where you can use that cash whenever you want to spend on other goods and services (Finishers). Throughout working though you occasionally get tips (Shadow Techniques Stacks) which get paid into your bank account for some reason which you can withdraw relatively easily under certain conditions such as doing work (Generators) and spending bigly (This is your apex proc)

You've finished work and are about to go on a spending spree (Shadow Dance) but before you do this, you want to make sure you've stored enough Cash (Combo points) and tips (Shadow Technique stacks) in your bank so that this way you can go into a shop and instantly buy something (Big finisher), give a guy a coffee (generator) which he gives you a tip for, and then buy another big item

I hope this explanations helps you

ignore the previous reference to interest, I decided to change it to tips

[short radish]

[golden harbor]

You want the apex talent during your supercharged combo points because they hit harder and therefore are worth more for the first part of the apex talent?

[short radish]

yeah guarantees your big hit to spawn a clone also doing a big hit

or something like that

the rank 3 procs the rank 1

[golden harbor]

Ah I see now that is confusing

[short radish]

yeah

it doesnt make sense till you read it a few times

[golden harbor]

Finishers only expend shadow techniques to generate combo points if they are under the rank 3 proc

[short radish]

because its "damaging attacks that expend SHT to generate combo points"

which typically are only generators

except rank 3 makes spenders into the condition for rank 1

thanks blizzard

[tribal blade]

blizz "we want to make sub less confusing to understand"

also blizz "here is sub's new apex talent that's confusing to understand"

[short radish]

how you rate my explanation

[gilded jungle]

On, Chimaerus the dispel we can cloak it right?

[supple pawn]

Question. How do people feel about apex talents as a system

[tribal blade]

pretty good!

i can understand it from what you wrote

[short radish]

👍

[fair cobalt]

am i getting something wrong? so if i have ancient arts up and go into shadow dance and then use Secret technique, shoundnt it bring me back up to full combo points?

[chrome palm]

Premeditation prevents ancient arts from being consumed, years old bug

[fair cobalt]

so should i not be using Secret technique as my first global in shadow dance?

[chrome palm]

No, there’s actually another bug with ancient arts which causes it to only replicate the physical portion of secret technique, which is weaker than a regular eviscerate, so it’s still best to start dance with secret technique

[shrewd lantern]

well you shouldnt have aa up when you dance

isnt that how its meant to be

[chrome palm]

Of course you can

On Lura for example while shields are being resolved

[shrewd lantern]

arent you supposed to dump it

before dancing

[chrome palm]

Not necessarily

In the example above spending sht does nothing for you

[shrewd lantern]

imagine if things worked properly

[chrome palm]

The bugs are part of design I think

[fair cobalt]

so its basically the aa doesnt matter for secret technique and your really trying to get it for your second finisher wich would be aa and supercharched?

[shrewd lantern]

me when aa doesnt dupe our literal biggest ability

because spaghetti

[chrome palm]

Can you imagine how weak they would make secret technique if it could proc aa correctly

[chrome palm]

Precisely

[fair cobalt]

thank you very much

[lucid jackal]

Very good

Just an excuse to add basically "core talents" into every spec that usually alters the play in some capacity

[fair cobalt]

i think its a cool apex talent once you get the questions about it out of the way lol

[shrewd lantern]

isnt assa the only rogue one

that isnt at least partly recycled talents

[supple pawn]

Lmao I got the exact opposite opinion from the other channel I asked 😭

[chrome palm]

Implacable being bugged in cdm is annoying and gravedigger duration being bugged + projectile is super annoying

[dusky yacht]

Good morning

[rough birch]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[tribal blade]

yeah it's incredibly tilting

half the time you have no idea what stacks of implacable you're at

and just have to guess

[rough birch]

Anyone have premade profile for MSUF?

[strange chasm]

can you get the pvp neck without having to wait 4 weeks now?

[tribal blade]

you can spam all the quests in 1 go

if you get lucky it'll bug out and complete more than you need in 1 go

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade finally got last heroic pieces for mythic crest saving.

[tribal blade]

nice!

[lilac stag]

pugs ftw

Should be a decent upgrade day just from crests

[tribal blade]

i still have some myth pieces waiting to upgrade fully next reset

[shy flare]

is there any catchup in place for upgrading the renown trinket?

[lucid jackal]

Nope

[oak sorrel]

is keepsake worth thinking about or nah

[lucid jackal]

But do it now, u can get 2 currency

and then next week u can get another 2

like, this upcoming reset

[shy flare]

Oh ok cool

I just did it and used the 2 for this week

So with reset and the 4 charges I can fully upgrade it?

[frosty bramble]

Those currencies have a change to drop in the assault for catchup , maxed my druids this week and just hit 90

[upbeat sorrel]

What stats is the pvp neck

Is that good for us

[frosty bramble]

Low haste high mast, not bad

[shy flare]

Is it 4 charges to max it or more?

[frosty bramble]

Just 4, the other things are just zone related

[shy flare]

Ok cool. Thank you

[frosty bramble]

I guess last stage is for a mount though so worth getting up if you are a collector

[vast dust]

Won a Guidion and a Hungering Victory tonight. Great raid upgrades.

Got lucky tonight

Being the only rogue helps

[frosty bramble]

Nice! I’ve only got hero’s rn 🙁 no luck

Surely that means mythic gaze in vault

[vast dust]

Let the Vault Gods shine upon us

[frosty bramble]

Anything’s better than the vault I had last week

[vast dust]

Positive thoughts!

Lol

[frosty bramble]

After this, there’s nothing but positive thoughts! Hope, and more blood and tears …

[lilac stag]

are you actually complaining about getting mythic shoulders to cata in first vault?

[frosty bramble]

No, but was literally the only thing I could take that was dece lol

Everything else was literally a dps loss

[short radish]

[frosty bramble]

[short radish]

bro out here thinking shoulders is a bad slot to get in vault

[upbeat sorrel]

for anyone trying to do catch up on the PvP neck quest, were you able to get all 4 quests from the NPC?

im only seeing week 2 offered rn

[short radish]

i managed to do 1 and 2 at the same time

[upbeat sorrel]

did it give you 3 and 4 after

[wild vine]

Thats only for those that accepted them early

Everyone I talked to that picked them up later only started on week 2

[short radish]

unluggy to those

[upbeat sorrel]

were they still able to finish the quest chain?

[wild vine]

Yes

They just didnt get the first trinket

[upbeat sorrel]

oh does it just fast forward to week 3 and 4

ic

[vagrant fulcrum]

Prism was a loss? How good is your passive trinket

[short radish]

week 4 gives neck

[tribal blade]

all you need is 1 good thing from vault

it's way worse to get a stacked vault

and then you have to choose

[chilly kite]

R.w.f is over now, so that means we can get tuneing right? Thats how that works.

[frosty bramble]

Guidon and gaze

[vagrant fulcrum]

No wonder everything’s a fucking dps loss

[short radish]

nah get out of here

[vagrant fulcrum]

You’ve got bis/ bis adjacent

[frosty bramble]

I mean it’s vet track

[upbeat sorrel]

my rogue got 2 sockets in a row

[short radish]

oh no woe is me i have BIS trinkets

[vagrant fulcrum]

A myth prism is better than a vet gaze

?????????

What in the hell

[tribal blade]

i don't see the issue

[vagrant fulcrum]

How are you getting a vet trink to outsim a decent one on myth track

[tribal blade]

just win the roll 5head

[upbeat sorrel]

they'll just buff caustic splatter and outlaw by 3% again

[short radish]

cant win roll if it doesnt drop (guidon)

[tribal blade]

dude watching my guild kill averzion

and then 2 guidons drop

[frosty bramble]

Cause gaze at any level is bis

[tribal blade]

amazing

[vagrant fulcrum]

Bro, I think you’ve been misinformed, badly

[tribal blade]

while i was on the bench

[chilly kite]

I get we arent aloud to sit at the table and all, but can they drop some scraps on the floor at least

[tribal blade]

there's no way

a vet gaze outsims a myth prism

[short radish]

the current problem with sub rogue tuning is that we actually are "fine"

[vagrant fulcrum]

Sim it

[short radish]

for every single content that isn't raid

at least damage wise

[vagrant fulcrum]

I would bet a ton that myth prism beats vet gaze

[short radish]

our ST damage is in the upper percentile

and our AoE damage is also in the upper percentile

[tribal blade]

fully upgraded for sure beats it

[wild vine]

And aoe blind is already coming back, so we are gonna be utility Monsters, right? RIGHT?

[vagrant fulcrum]

Bro you’re conveniently ignoring the one thing that matters, low target cleave on demand to somewhat spread enemies

[short radish]

its just our cleave is absolute dogshit

which is the entire raid

[tribal blade]

only issue is when we want to be ethical we take a big overall loss

[short radish]

dw i was getting to that

[short radish]

🙂

acutally there's no mobs this season

that ignore blind right?

[frosty bramble]

Your right, it’s a 426 dps increase for the prism over vet gaze

[tribal blade]

iirc there are a few

[short radish]

and blind is 12 seconds now?

[tribal blade]

-70% duration for aoe blind

-50% cd

[vagrant fulcrum]

I wonder if this changes your choice

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-grammar-mistake-gif-16439899440529775887

[short radish]

no as in there's no mechanical mobs or w/e

that cant be blinded

[frosty bramble]

It was last weeks so choice was made on shoulders lol

[wild vine]

With 400dps diff I wouldve chosen the shoulders aswell

Tbh

[tribal blade]

oh right, yeah there's none of those

[short radish]

beacuse aoe interrupt on 12 second cd

is kinda strong

or w/e short duration blind is

[tribal blade]

only mobs immune to all cc

[vagrant fulcrum]

I have no idea what the shoulders were simming for him, but yeah it’s still compelling from a long term perspective.

[tribal blade]

it'll be a 1 min cd

[vagrant fulcrum]

In future please just sim your great vault options

[hollow spear]

No I'll post my vault here without context!

[tribal blade]

18 second duration

[short radish]

higher than hero track shoulders thats for sure

[hollow spear]

And ask you to decide for me

[short radish]

idk unless your vault is all bracers and cloaks

complaining about vault options this early is kinda moot

[wild vine]

I will most definitely get mythic gaze on reset

[oak sorrel]

week 1/2 vaults be like

[wild vine]

Surely

[frosty bramble]

I actually can’t see that far back in my sims, but I think at that stage 1,2k at max

[wild vine]

[tribal blade]

all you need is literally 1 thing that's an upgrade

[vagrant fulcrum]

Clearly shoulders then

[tribal blade]

and your vault isnt bricked

[hollow spear]

If no mythic gaze then over

[frosty bramble]

💯

[vagrant fulcrum]

Socket still an upgrade even

[wild vine]

Tell that to my feelings taking myth cloak to catalyze it

[vagrant fulcrum]

We fixate so much on chasing bis, what do we even need all this loot for

[short radish]

no you don't understand, the only slots that matter are trinkets.

[vagrant fulcrum]

They killed lura with like 280

[tribal blade]

myth cloak is tough yeha

[frosty bramble]

I chase everything bro , I want everything cause I’ll never see anything otherwise

[tribal blade]

just get your RL to pass them under the table to you

[frosty bramble]

Unless you wanna run 40 pits, get mad, then Just craft pants

[vagrant fulcrum]

You’ve not answered the question; what do you want everything for? We’ve established you want the stuff - why?

[frosty bramble]

Tbf I never said I really wanted it, just wanted some good luck on vault tmrw - as a non rwf raider, you’ll (me) wanna get some luck

But I also keep trinkets cause blizzard also tunes things sometimes, “you never know”

[vagrant fulcrum]

Read the messages I responded to, you litterally said you want everything 😂

You want the stuff or nah chief

[frosty bramble]

Oh I know, let me live in my high

Yes but also no? lol

[stuck arrow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stoic flower]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[sour quiver]

I heard subtlety was simple, is this true?

[brazen mesa]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[stuck arrow]

Yeah relatively. Bit of a raid leader spec this xpac unfortunately.

[short radish]

yes but also

not that this image is direct at you

[sour quiver]

Oh ok, got it.

[short radish]

the core rotation is simple though

and if sub was doing bonkers damage it'd be easy to call it the melee BM hunter

[wild vine]

More power to the optimizations!

I miss my spreadsheet gaming sometimes

[sonic depot]

Vanish cdr was a headache

[steel wyvern]

@short radish

yo pookie

what should i take

[short radish]

chest/helm?

though does helm drop off early boss?

[steel wyvern]

i had no crests to send this week so i havent taken

either

helm drops off first boss

[short radish]

then chest probably

[steel wyvern]

chest tier token drop from the dragon

[short radish]

chest for biggest stat gain

[steel wyvern]

its not gain until i get crests tho

and helm is same but no socket so

[short radish]

ah true

[steel wyvern]

biggest upgrade immediately is the bracers unironically

[short radish]

you know what you do

[steel wyvern]

cause i can upgrade current by 3 lvl

[short radish]

you hold vault

until reclear

[steel wyvern]

holding vault does nothing cause

cant see new vault

until i take this one right

[short radish]

yeah but you see drops

from raid

[steel wyvern]

bro

thats some demonic shit

i dont remember how many keys i did this week tho

so its kinda cooked

[short radish]

you can /key

and bigwigs will tell you

[steel wyvern]

fk

5

need 3 more

[short radish]

Gg

[steel wyvern]

yo

fimbul

how do i parse on chimraeur

how ulgy does that look man

🤢

[short radish]

Ooooft

[steel wyvern]

do i ask for group 1

[short radish]

Pay your devourer dh to not kill small adds

I think only way is being able to sectech downstairs and upstairs adds

[steel wyvern]

like

wdym by that

[short radish]

If youre downstairs, getting a setech off the big guy into the small adds

Then if youre upstairs, you swap to small adds asap

[steel wyvern]

bro

i think it might be time to play sin

the sin buffs look nice and juicy

[short radish]

Its unethical but you do what you gotta do

[steel wyvern]

but its so cancer

[short radish]

Gotta play it fornpaladins if youre in

[steel wyvern]

need so much crit

[short radish]

Have fun pressing bleed on the boss just before it runs away

[steel wyvern]

yeah true

[short radish]

I thought I was free from pit jail

[steel wyvern]

bleedo extendo strategio

[short radish]

But now I need the ring

[steel wyvern]

no u dont

just play algethar and xenas rings

W

need pit neck tho

[vale osprey]

My guild told me, "don't run to middle to kill the small adds"

[steel wyvern]

they are right but also

just stealth

do it sneakily

[short radish]

[short radish]

too much mastery still somehow

i crafted neck

[steel wyvern]

yeah i mean have u checked for brain dmg

[vale osprey]

How much crit does assa even want

[steel wyvern]

all

[short radish]

yeah i have it why

[steel wyvern]

could be it

[short radish]

i mean im still playing this dev forsaken class

if i didnt have brain damage

why would i still be on this

[vale osprey]

I think I've got like 700 haste, 750 crit, 680 mast or something

[steel wyvern]

true af

all my crafted stuff is still haste mast

gonna need to swap it to crit haste

[vale osprey]

Idk really don't want to have to play assa but subs pad parsing does make me sad

[short radish]

ye i crafted neck as haste mast, then recrafted to haste crit in the same week

wooooo 10k wasted

[steel wyvern]

i mean sub is literally

better

for almost every fight

[short radish]

except paladins

[vale osprey]

Yeah

[steel wyvern]

the profile it has

[short radish]

[steel wyvern]

burst aoe

[vale osprey]

But I have to pad parse innit

[steel wyvern]

for example saladbar, dragons, chimaerus, even lastboss

[lusty acorn]

Guys where can i find darkmoon faire? In orgirmar

[short radish]

this is my note for paladins

my raid prep for tomorrow is watching th e recording so i can get better timings

of when things run away

[steel wyvern]

why

[short radish]

actual fuck this chungus boss

[molten citrus]

near the old flying trainer if you know where that is

[steel wyvern]

just be a freak beast

what spec are you on

[short radish]

because putting bleeds on a boss only for it to run away/be taunted away is bad civ

[steel wyvern]

are u manually

[short radish]

sin. sub just sucks here (damage wise)

[steel wyvern]

dotting everything

why arent u applying with ct buddy

[short radish]

no i'm pressing CT

[steel wyvern]

ok so

[lusty acorn]

Idk

[short radish]

but like when im redotting

[lusty acorn]

Can you show me?

[short radish]

and about to CT

[steel wyvern]

u keep track to know when to refresh or?

[short radish]

idk im just bad at dot juggling

this is why i dont play sin

[steel wyvern]

actually kinda 5head but also

when the enemies run away they have giga DR so

idk if its even worth it

[sour quiver]

Eviscerate is for cut to the chase right?

[short radish]

its just a shit experience to be on the boss that runs away before you reapply dots

[molten citrus]

if u google it the first page that pops up should be wowhead, and there's a map

[steel wyvern]

bro play outlaw then

W outlaw boss

especially after outlaw gets crazy nerfed next week

[short radish]

if i had sword MH from saladbar i'd consider it

[steel wyvern]

i mean outlaw is probably tyrolling legit on that boss but

u do u

especially after big sin buff next week

and outlaw gets

nerfed

lol

[short radish]

[steel wyvern]

for why? no one knows

[short radish]

because outlaw isn't allowed to be a raid spec

also blizzard needs to tune m+ and raid separately at this point

[steel wyvern]

i mean it gets 4% aura buff

[short radish]

sub and outlaw can't get buffed because it's doing too much damage in m+

[steel wyvern]

but compensation is that bladeflurry is nerfed by like 8% or something

explain that bro

"rogue buffs"

[brazen stone]

i noticed a lot of the chinese rogues are playing planned execution over warning signs for keys. any thoughts on that or opinion on which is better

[stuck arrow]

Lol blade flurry is a joke these days TBH.

[tribal blade]

"big"

[short radish]

even when rogue gets buffed, it has to be nerfed somewhere else

[tribal blade]

when you see where rogues are on the meters right now

not so big

[sour quiver]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[short radish]

idk i think i beat the ele shaman now with the buffs

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[steel wyvern]

aoe vs st

[sour quiver]

So, whats the cap for cut to the chase time wise?