subtlety

[swift tinsel]

holy

[hallow mortar]

i dodged SL

[lucid jackal]

Imagine having to check a spreadsheet every week on farm to figure out how to properly do damage on a fight

[shrewd lantern]

well most people just played venthyr blunderbuss

since it was easier

iirc

[swift tinsel]

I still have Dreadblades on my outlaw bar

for nostalgia

[twin quartz]

Venthyr blunderbuss was fun too though

Had a lot of fun in prepatch

[shrewd lantern]

prepatch was dust

[twin quartz]

Hell I don’t remember

[shrewd lantern]

you just had fth

[twin quartz]

Whatever version was on prepatch with dreadblades

[shrewd lantern]

yeah then they realized

having dreadblades feed its own cdr

was probably too good

[neon wave]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hallow mortar]

i never enjoyed playing outlaw in raid in past, last time i had fun was combat in cata

[civic lava]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steep copper]

anyone else have an issue with your potion not working with your shadowblade macro?

[hallow mortar]

you propably have wrong rank in it

[hushed pendant]

Or you have the wrong name of the potion in the macro.

[steep copper]

hmm ok I shift clicked the potion and it was working fine and now it doesn't I guess i'll figure out the rank in macro

[hallow mortar]

#showtooltip Light's Potential
/use item:245898
/use item:245897
/use item:241308
/use item:241309

use this one

frist two are fleets from cauldron and other two normal ones, it goes by best to worse in quality

[fading elk]

how many targets before we start doing aoe rotation? ss+bp spam

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

i put a combat flag on mine

in case fat finger

[hallow mortar]

yeah i use that one, but found the other one someonewhere online 😄

[sweet meteor]

Just confirming, we should never use technique when not in dance, right?

[tribal blade]

correct

is lura one of the hardest bosses ever made

does it get that crown

[tulip light]

Think we have to wait a bit still till it gets to avatar / kj territory no?

[tribal blade]

probably yeha

although the argument would be the RWF guilds now are lightyears better than the guilds back then

so pull count =/= difficulty

[lucid jackal]

I mean there's archimond, kj, uunat, queen absurek, and fyrak

[tribal blade]

very true

[alpine wraith]

we still havent seen deep last phase pulls

but who knows

[tepid trellis]

my rogue aint doing too hot it needs jesus

[dusky yacht]

Goddammit two omissions dropped, they didn't even want it, their ilvl too low and they can't trade

And then I forgot to reroll my key

F M L

[jagged hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/man-trying-to-kil-himself-joke-fake-suicide-laughing-suicide-fake-jumping-gif-150330258641611340

[meager badger]

Hey, is there any buffs sub rogues should keep track of in midnight?

[void ocean]

yes, blue post buffs, so u know what to respec

[swift tinsel]

shadow techniques, shadow blades/shadow dance, escalating blade (the stacks that enable coup at 4 stacks)

[void ocean]

i was thinking, with all the macros, do we actually want to track coup stacks

[undone mesa]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety/trickster/EAOEFVUVRFVUVZggVCQROVURRFRVFRQWkUNBUFVVVVUCAQ

any reason why some top world rogues are using this build, even when its sims lower than the standard one?

[void ocean]

probably sims higher for them or situational

cause very few fights resemble patchwerk

esp rwf fights

[undone mesa]

m+ cenarios, sorry

[hazy breach]

PE does slightly more damage on pulls with BL, which tend to be big, whereas ⚠️ is just generally better outside of those

[undone mesa]

did not sayed

[hazy breach]

The difference is quite minor, but i would just recommend warning signs regardless, but yeah

Also the chinese community typically does not rely on sims nearly as much

[undone mesa]

for me sims like this, "teste" is the one linked above

did not like it haha

[hazy breach]

Im not sure what other talents you have that youre comparing it to, but PE vs ⚠️ is probably a smaller difference than that

[obsidian crag]

maybe if u have a trinket like this , it can make more sense?

[undone mesa]

the usual

[hazy breach]

Well its also veiltouched vs first dance

So not only PE vs Warning signs

[runic sinew]

the same guy who use this build, focus stats in crit/mas

[hazy breach]

They get insanely deep into mastery diminishing returns with all mastery gear, puzzlebox and mastery pot

Sim does not like it at all.

[undone mesa]

should i trade veiltouched for FD?

[hazy breach]

Using mastery weapon enchants+mastery pot with the usual 700 haste+guidon seems to be the best according to sims atleast, for these humongous pulls theyre optimizing for, while not completely griefing singletarget

Still lights potential in ST though

[tribal blade]

wonder if their key strat is doing insanely huge pulls

and then taking an eternity on bosses

obv pulling stuff on bosses whenever possible

[haughty mural]

I imagine it’s exactly that

[undone mesa]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eoRujmMBd3T1scW2154aR3

Veiltouched still sims higher than First dance for me, its suposed to?

[hazy breach]

Probably, but even then im fairly sure they just go too hard into the mastery DR

[tribal blade]

it's kinda crazy they're hitting mastery DR during S1

[hazy breach]

Before they nerfed PP to 20% that mightve been fine, but i think getting some haste is important

[hazy breach]

Brother its 2k from the pot, 900 from puzzlebox

That alone is heavy into dr already

[tribal blade]

true true

[runic sinew]

Is Mastery DR 1380?

[undone mesa]

for aoe, recklessness pot is better then light?

[hazy breach]

Assuming you get mastery from it yes

[undone mesa]

• the based mastery

[undone mesa]

k!

[hazy breach]

Somewhere around there yes

[tribal blade]

they're timing super high keys but it doesn't seem worth to me

to lose that much ST

[hazy breach]

Doing what i posted above is simming slightly higher on AoE without much of a ST loss

Obviously the sim could be not 100% accurate, but ive triple checked most things and im fairly confident that it is close to it

[undone mesa]

when u sayed 700 haste + guidon, if i have less than 700 but with 18% is bad?

[hazy breach]

700 haste is the breakpoint you should be aiming for yes

650-700, but better to err on the side of slightly too much

[tribal blade]

i've tried playing directly on 684

doesn't feel good

you're far more likely to miss a gcd

[undone mesa]

im at 652

and playing with 132ms

[tribal blade]

at that haste you have to do every dance perfectly

[undone mesa]

omega hype

[tribal blade]

i play with 200ms 😉

[hazy breach]

Ms isnt really relevant

As youll just queue up your spells anyway

[undone mesa]

damn where are u from?

[tribal blade]

live in hong kong

play on NA

[undone mesa]

got it

im from brazil

[vernal drum]

atm im reaching 710 with phials, but not without

[void ocean]

ping?

[vernal drum]

18

[austere mural]

made it to p3 heroic lura on sub tonight

[soft summit]

So based on this the best group comp for rogue would be dps war, hunter, tank monk and Druid healer?

[hazy breach]

Well no, as shaman is the most important

[tribal blade]

you're missing skyfury

the best buff

[hazy breach]

Like as long as you have a shaman youre fine, ideally you have a warrior too

But besides that its just not a big deal either way

[tribal blade]

the diff playing without a sham right now

feels night and day

whenever i queue up my keys i always pick up a sham lol

[upbeat sorrel]

is there a way to get raidbots to save the weapon rune/flask/pot options per class or character

[shell vector]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[warped zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lyric iris]

have any diference?

[hazy breach]

Nop

You can have 2x agility ones if you prefer too

Doesnt matter much

[lyric iris]

ok, thanks ❤️

[mystic minnow]

With 4 set, in blades, and without guidons, should we hold our second dance so we can get a second supercharged sec tech right at the end of blades?

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[mystic minnow]

So without guidons I shouldn’t bother with the second sec tech? Or just send it supercharged after blades?

[sick mirage]

so, I'm trying to get my head around which poisons I should be using while I'm leveling 80-90 and while I'm at endgame. I havn't touched my rogue in a while, and when I last played I was playing assa

been using atrophic and instant currently

[mystic minnow]

I retract my comment and recognize my stupidity, thank you

[lilac stag]

There’s nothing to think about

atrophic raid. Numbing generally everywhere else

[ivory orchid]

guidon for raid puzzle for mythic +?

[eternal frigate]

Hi, it's me again 🙁

I have this gear set for Mythic+, which gives me 693 haste, or I can get 645 with a different weapon without the crit/haste oils. When I run a sim for AoE/Mythic+, it suggests I use a different gear set that leaves me with 500 haste. Am I doing something wrong?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/waG81kyWjWRvn2aoixyUHM

The Raidbots configuration is as shown in the pin

[drifting fable]

Raidbots wants to use less haste because it plays perfectly

you wanna get up to 700 haste to give yourself room for error

its normal that the robot wants u to run way less haste

[rugged condor]

Ya just vibe ur gear after that its really fun

The robot lies

[spice matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[small vortex]

yeah i been vibe equipping gear ngl

[hybrid prism]

it doesnt matter which enchant i have on which weapon right?

just double checking

[lilac stag]

[hybrid prism]

tyty

im not at the haste rating and the robot is telling me to take a big crit little vers ring over a big crit little haste ring

[eternal frigate]

Thank you :8

[hybrid prism]

the little haste ring puts me at 600 haste

[drifting fable]

ive been feely crafting everything

since were not getting buffs

[hybrid prism]

the other puts me at 525

[drifting fable]

might aswell have fun and not stress out about it

[lucid jackal]

Crafting is easy

Dagger first, worst slot next

[rugged condor]

I did a sin reclear because i hate current sub with guidon. Putting off playing it until i have to (alleria)

[lucid jackal]

Then after that u can do shit like ring to itemize around

Wrist if u want an auto slot for a socket or smthing

I did pants as second craft fex

[hybrid prism]

what do you mean you hate it with guidon?

[lilac stag]

@lucid jackal what did you end up taking from thanos vault?

[rugged condor]

Guidon is finicky with deepening shadows

[lucid jackal]

Gaze

Bigger upgrade + idt anybody wants flag other than dks?

[drifting fable]

did u get a good vault early season for the first time in a decade guy

[lilac stag]

yeah

[lucid jackal]

Plus my vault is gonna be perma shit anyway so

[lucid jackal]

Yeah right on time to be on the bench all tier

[drifting fable]

didnt you go like 0/4 in first 4 vaults last tier

[lucid jackal]

[drifting fable]

[lucid jackal]

Last expac*

[drifting fable]

Actually

[lucid jackal]

But yes

[drifting fable]

not playing a rogue on alleria?

[west tide]

they bringing us on the last one dw vro

[lucid jackal]

Nop

[rugged condor]

Skip when are you breaking out the law on council boss. Its your time to shine

[drifting fable]

im one of 3 sub rogues who have killed the boss

[hybrid prism]

i'm interested in my vault for next week. week 1 i got gaze, week 2 i got guidon. So week 3 is gonna be dope

[drifting fable]

1 of 3 Rogues in general

[hybrid prism]

I can feel it

[drifting fable]

holding it strong

[lucid jackal]

Love that

[hybrid prism]

and my guidon had speed on it

[lucid jackal]

Rogue is shit but I think we undervalued it a bit too much for alleria specifically but even then it's not like rogue is that good

[rugged condor]

Ya and two of you private log

[drifting fable]

the fact that they half nerfed half buffed outlaw and nothing for sub rogue this week is ridiculous

[lucid jackal]

It's solid on the new raid tho sooooo

[drifting fable]

I agree

[lucid jackal]

Could be worse.....?

[drifting fable]

its "bad" but its not worst

[lucid jackal]

Ya

It's solid on new raid tho

[drifting fable]

last 2 look insane

[hybrid prism]

i mean were not TERRIBLE. I prefer being middle of the pack compared to shit with 1000 bugs...

[lucid jackal]

Like unless Ur guild has 15 hunters and mages u need something that can use immunities so

[lucid jackal]

Rogue is that

[hybrid prism]

i'm having a good time

[west tide]

skip what chad guild are u in now

[hybrid prism]

loved sub in the war within and love it more now

[rugged condor]

I read this as chud guild

[west tide]

could be chud

[sick mirage]

okay, so what's with these glowing blue energies? Is this the 'overcharged'I read a little bit about?

[tribal blade]

@short radish practicing sin and just pulled a you

cast deathmark then forgot puzzlebox and had to cast it after

[lucid jackal]

R u talking about on Ur combo points?

[sick mirage]

er, combo points not energy yes. Tired brain 🤣

[lucid jackal]

It means Ur next 2 finishers are +3

And they can count as more than Ur max

[sick mirage]

oooh, I see

what feeds those, dance/blades?

[gilded thistle]

dance

[sick mirage]

so is that why we used Secret Tech after dance, since its +3?

[lucid jackal]

Kinda yes

[short radish]

my shadowstrike didn't go off on pull

i know it's only normal as well but missed out on r1 by 1k dps

[tribal blade]

LOL

no fucking shot

that's the best opener i've ever seen

[short radish]

i actually got stunlocked

[tribal blade]

yeah it's happened to me too

when i fuck something up before going into blades

have 0 cp

try pressing dance+sectec and nothing happens

then stunlocked

[short radish]

yeah

you just sit there

for a second

contemplating what the fuck just happened

[plush roost]

Legendary opener

[shrewd lantern]

fim in puzzle jail too

[warm marlin]

it happens so often this tier

im getting spam pulled out of stealth in dungeons and raid

[shrewd lantern]

i ran 9 AA this week and no box drop

[short radish]

bro look at these drops

2x guns 2x cloth pants

[shrewd lantern]

[short radish]

2x agi polearms and more cloth gear

[shrewd lantern]

we havent seen one yet

[short radish]

good thing we have 3 fucking mages

they're getting absolutely funnelled

[shrewd lantern]

actually our tank has one

from vault

[warm marlin]

neither of our hunters have mythic weapons

[short radish]

the only piece of leather we get are the stupid fucking belts from saladbar

[warm marlin]

this wouldve been massive for us

[shrewd lantern]

I got a vora wep so maybe i sit it now

[short radish]

games just rigged

one guidon please

[shrewd lantern]

real

[short radish]

and my rogue never needs to heroic agian

[shrewd lantern]

its guidon and gaze for me

renown trinket lifting heavy

since no hc gaze or plume

[warm marlin]

imagine this bro

we are down bad with this renown trinket

[hollow python]

smurfing ilvl in normal for memes, idk to be more upset about the 99 or the fact that 99.8 isnt averaged up

[short radish]

if you need champ one, you can leatherstack m0 aa

[shrewd lantern]

i have a champ

i need the hero one...

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

i got it like my 2nd AA

[short radish]

yeah that'd annoy me

[shrewd lantern]

of m0 going daily

[short radish]

fuck dragons

add bosses are cringe

[warm marlin]

im gonna play assa in reclearand just hit da boss

its gonna be great

i was already playing boss damage man sub

[short radish]

yeah i got all my parses locked in

i told our DH he can pad on small adds saladbar now

[shrewd lantern]

this is all ethical dam

!

[short radish]

someone needs to kill the adds

[shrewd lantern]

well on mythic you can use the excuse

that bp on 2t is more dam

so the adds just got caught in it

"im keeping boss hp even"

@short radish i swear mythic dragons has some many out of context clippable moments

"kill the white one"

[short radish]

nono

beloran

is where the clipping happens

"kill the dark one"

[shrewd lantern]

both really

[short radish]

best one was "kill darkie"

[shrewd lantern]

does the egg take more dam

idr

[grim sage]

what are u guys sitting at for mastery

im at 71

with pot

[lunar bluff]

@warm marlin did u guys get a buff this week

[warm marlin]

no

[grim sage]

can some1 who mains this class

tell me how much is too much mast

im at 74 now

[tribal blade]

that's fine

depends on if that's with mast flask or not

[grim sage]

with flask

what do u want to sit at

without flask

I legit started playing sub today

fully swapped off outlaw

[graceful osprey]

I believe for now, as long as we have around 700ish haste, it’s either crit/master that we want so there’s not really a specific master number we want to get

[grim sage]

kk im 20 haste 22 crit 74 mast

i just dont know if im overcapping my mast

[solemn isle]

more crit prob better for ST but you should sim it

[grim sage]

im also mega behind because i crafted 1 hand sword for outlaw

[tribal blade]

liquid just had a deep P3 pull

[solemn isle]

exile 3rd on meters

it has never been less over

[short radish]

does anyone know how to sim with vantus?

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing your sim will want more crit

[tribal blade]

no idea sorry fam

[solemn isle]

you used to be able to add a custom gem or enchant to add vers to an equipped item, not sure if that is still a thing

[junior marsh]

Hey guys new rogue here, any tips to maintain the flawless form or how to work around that?

[tribal blade]

just do the rotation

and it'll maintain itself

[junior marsh]

I feel like i'm doing the rotation and i see it dropping and sometimes it just keeps up and im trying to understand the behavior to maintain it

[haughty heart]

I mean its rng cause of Unseen Blade procs, so just do the normal rotation

[spare grove]

@high widget Brother I gotta know why you're not running 650 haste in these keys - it looks like you're dropping the haste breakpoint for more crit, is there any particular reason why?

[odd knoll]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[haughty heart]

And always use Secret technique 1st on your shadow dance windows

[tribal blade]

there's nothing you can do to get more procs

besides using sectec as often as possible

[vague hare]

GG

[dry flame]

Eyyy fun! What specs were you 3?

[smoky phoenix]

3 specs

[dry flame]

Eyyy that's awesome

Love it

[small vortex]

More aoe dmg and ftd can give you long dances at start of pull i think

Gives you more burst i think

I run like 600 haste rn (partially cause of gear)

[glass kelp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KQzhj4dkcR6V1MfW?fight=51&type=damage-done

I'm improving but I still need to get over a lot of humps. Any advice?

[short radish]

absolutely based

[small vortex]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[solemn wolf]

Could i wear two farstriders mercy?

Or would that be stupid and i should go for crafted belt or something

[vale osprey]

It would be stupid

[hearty steeple]

who's the dominant rogue spec now for m+?

[stiff pollen]

are we prioritizing crit/mast over haste for m+ / aoe?

[proven vapor]

hey i have a question about a second embellish what should i get ive seen people wear them on their wrists or on their pants but im not really sure

[wooden wagon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ohXKdenFyPwu3dqG8tBam1

would swapping my neck be worth the haste gain? feels bad losing the mastery but im currently sitting at 607 haste

[tribal blade]

yes having enough haste is more important

[wooden wagon]

ok thank you, i thought so but just wanted to double check, the double socket was making me doubt it a bit

[tribal blade]

you might be able to get more haste by changing other stuff

like ring enchants

[wooden wagon]

ive been trying to get the legs from pit of saron

but im like 20 runs deep with no luck

I think getting legs + switching to this neck would put me in the like 680 range

[hollow spear]

You could also drop a haste piece and use the haste flask

[lapis ridge]

Maybe it is idk, but raidbots sim it doesn't appear to be holding secret technique for shadow dance, but that's what I've been doing, am I wrong to be doing that?

[native zodiac]

you dont sectech outside of dance

[tribal blade]

holy shit echo gets a P3 pull on their 1st pull of the night

insane

[keen dome]

It's such a weirdly designed fight

[tribal blade]

it's gas gas gas all fight

only lets up during transitions between phases

[keen dome]

yeah

Very addon intensive fight, too.

Which, lol lmao

[native zodiac]

i reckon theres a high chance it dies today

[tribal blade]

you get like 5-10 secs to relax lol

P3 memory game is nuts

[keen dome]

I imagine today or tomorrow unless P3 has a bug or something

[tribal blade]

2 seperate sides doing it

[keen dome]

It doesn't seem like a fun or well designed boss to me, personally.

[tribal blade]

liquid encountered 1 bug

they had a seed stay on the P2 platform when they went into P3

it exploded and wiped them

[keen dome]

Yeah, I saw that

[native zodiac]

i actually think this looks p fun to play personally, none of the phases seem like a slog like p2 of ansurek for example

[tribal blade]

it feels like they put every single wow mechanic into 1 boss

[keen dome]

Yeah

Everyone will just mandate addons to clear it and it'll be an addon boss and Blizz have managed to achieve fucking nothing lol

[tribal blade]

P2 is very static, only rng is who gets beams

P1 is mega rng fest

P3 also

[keen dome]

The P2 dance does look good. I think that part of the fight is cool

Dropping seeds, spreading, beams, etc. Very much an roganized dance.

But P1's memory game, glavie movement, etc? Terrible

[tribal blade]

P1 is insane

[keen dome]

But i'm never gonna fight it above Heroic so w/e. I just think Blizz have managed to fuck up with it because every other fight this tier has been a pretty well convinced fight, that didn't require any additional elements to solve.

Midnight Falls is a step back from Dimensius's level of design, imho.

[tribal blade]

well it'll be mega nerfed

by the time my guild gets there will be way more playable

i suspect they reduce memory game runes by 1

maybe

[keen dome]

Probably.

[tribal blade]

kicks will probably be toned down too

[keen dome]

I really hate mechanics like the memory game.

[tribal blade]

yeah me too

i'm glad i've watched this much of the RWF on lura

[keen dome]

They're "wipe on them until the group eventually has everybody understanding how to resolve it" mechanics because everyone is going to struggle with it differently.

[tribal blade]

so it'll help me tremendously during prog

[keen dome]

yeah

[tribal blade]

it will be an absolute nightmare in pugs for sure

every single pug will be like "MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DOWNLOADED X ADDON"

[keen dome]

Yeah.

Which is when I just go "nah fuck that" and stop bothering to try

[tribal blade]

haha

this is gonna be a big make a wish boss for my RL

[keen dome]

The 45 minutes I spent trying to pug Mythic Loom where we sat there trying to get WA's working the entire time.

Or the hours I spent in Igaria trying to kill it because people couldn't do spears. And people wouldn't proeprly setup the spear WA / use the right one

It's beyond miserable and makes the game unplayably bad.

[warm marlin]

it looks awesome imo

excited to reach it

[keen dome]

How many WA's did Dimensius require on Mythic prog for most people? I recall there was one in P1 to help the adds die around the same time. Was that it?

[warm marlin]

meh that one wasnt even super necssary

[keen dome]

That was my feeling but I never progged it so I can't really judge.

[warm marlin]

the most important thing was probably assigning the pickups and pulldowns

but you could do that without a wa if you preplanned it and spent time

[keen dome]

But from the outside, it seemed like excellently designed fight that did not require any addons.

[warm marlin]

past p1 you didnt need any wa either

[keen dome]

Nice

I think Midnight Falls is a step back from that, then, because the memory game is dumb.

Also the kicks.

[short radish]

Thats the most bizarre thing as well right. They can design fights without WA requirements that are still good

[keen dome]

But both of those will get toned down.

[short radish]

Then we get this

[keen dome]

Yeah

[short radish]

How do they expect the average pug to do a 6 memory game

Main raiders camt even count to 4

[keen dome]

Dimensius was also a stellar fight on all difficulties. It was really really well made for everybody. Midnight Falls is fucking awful on lower difficulties.

[chrome palm]

for me this was never even reliable

[short radish]

I think normal is okay. Counting to 3 is fine

[native zodiac]

same

[chrome palm]

most the time someone just commed it and a random person picked it up

[native zodiac]

looking forward to belo and midnight falls

[warm marlin]

thats crazy we almost 100% just used the assignments

[keen dome]

Doing it on normal: wipe to the memory game 10+ times. Get through to P3 and boss dies before P3 even starts lol

[chrome palm]

we just wing shit man

[keen dome]

Heroic is 100% going to be dying to memory game for hours. And then dying in P3 'cos you so rarely practice it.

(In pugs)

(And most organized groups that don't raid mythic)

[tribal blade]

unless they gut the boss on heroic

it's gonna be impossible for some people to get it

unless they rng a kill not getting it a single time

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

like you said before, this is gonna be a boss you just kick anyone who can't do it

[keen dome]

There isn't enough time to call for people to adjust in text. And voice pugging is always a huge mixed bag too.

It's just not a good mechanic, imo.

[short radish]

This boss is a boss designed well if weak auras existed

[keen dome]

haha, yeah

I mean it's Mekkatorque 2.0

[tribal blade]

i think when echo and liquid release their addons this boss becomes much more managable though

[keen dome]

If it needs an addon to kill it then Blizz have completely fucked it.

[tribal blade]

it 100% requires an addon on mythic

well they probably could do it without, but it would add something like 200-300 pulls i imagine

[keen dome]

yeah

I guess almost all of it hinges on the post-RWF nerfs

Which is a dumb way to balance the game but c'est la vie.

[dry flame]

Assuming it won't get changed as soon as the RWF is over

[tribal blade]

who knows

[dry flame]

Also good morning guys

[tribal blade]

depends how difficult it is for non RWF guilds

[keen dome]

Has there been any non-RWF Balo kills yet?

[dry flame]

Belo already seems pretty insane

[native zodiac]

no

few guilds are getting close now though

[tribal blade]

belo is just tuning right

[dry flame]

If FatSharkYes can't down it, no regular guild can 😔

[tribal blade]

they can easily nerf it

[keen dome]

Yeah

[native zodiac]

p much a comp check atm

[dry flame]

Roguen't

[tribal blade]

nerfing lura would take a lot more tinkering

[mortal skiff]

are raid comps still marksmanyesship?

[keen dome]

It would've been interesting to see the original difficulty curve they intended pre-buffs.

Although by the look of it, the problem was Crown being tuned too easy for the top end.

[tribal blade]

on belo aug seems to be the OP one

[native zodiac]

not just on belo

aug is completly broken

[keen dome]

The Aug Season rises again

[tribal blade]

yeah it's insane atm

[native zodiac]

you just dont see it details and so people dont mention it

[tribal blade]

i hope they gut it

i can't stand aug

[keen dome]

Aug was an interesting experiment that has clearly created a constant design and balance issue haha

I wonder if they'd put that back in the bottle with hindsight

[tribal blade]

they completely fucked the game for so many seasons releasing aug

[dry flame]

It's also the fact that RWF ran so many mythic splits, which wasn't a possibility before

[tribal blade]

it really did create a super toxic comp issue in keys

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely.

Should've made Aug a tank spec

[dry flame]

Give rogue tank and heal roles

[keen dome]

yes

a believer

another exists

[dry flame]

Make us the absolute fill monsters

[tribal blade]

i want the baby step of having a real raid buff first

before the massive work of making new specs

[mortal skiff]

valeera is beta try out for that, thatswhy all the default specs are being abandoned rn

[dry flame]

Multistrike raid buff. Peperige farm remembers

[keen dome]

Crit% buff. Let's go

[mortal skiff]

Outlaw gonna heal with rums

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[tribal blade]

hell yeah

[dry flame]

Smuggler spec - tonics, vials, injections etc.

[tribal blade]

i would actually like them to bring back multistrike and replace vers

[dry flame]

I think it caused issues for them with tuning

[keen dome]

Yeah

[dry flame]

And made ele mastery obsolete

[tribal blade]

that's fair

[keen dome]

I like the way our stats work atm. Versatility is an issue for some but it isn't bad.

[plush roost]

I mean tbh aug isnt like it used to be

It doesnt care about a comp anymore

[keen dome]

Could just put it on every piece instead

[tribal blade]

that's also true

[plush roost]

It does its damage regardless of teammates

[tribal blade]

i jsut still hate them

[plush roost]

I dont mind it, its not mandatory

Its just very strong rn

[tribal blade]

after what happened during DF

i'm scarred haha

[plush roost]

Its not like before where u could tell the diff between an aug or no aug key

[dry flame]

How about they give gear a random stat it can get, but make it RNG, so it's exciting , call it gorruption

[keen dome]

Just put Goremaw's on random gear

[dry flame]

As long as it's called Gorepaw on gloves

[plush roost]

They should make goremaw have your next 3 eviserates cleave 2 nearbt targets instead of cost no energy

Amen

[native zodiac]

that would go hard actually

[ivory garnet]

Im having hard time performing 2 secret techniques inside SB sometimes its so ez and some time im way off any trick or help ?

[plush roost]

The legendary dance sec tec strike coup goremaws evis evis strike evis

[dry flame]

I just miss when Sub was the funnel/prio spec

[plush roost]

Hmm maybe youd have to prefire goremaw actually dance not enough gcds

Anyway lemme cook pls blizz

[tribal blade]

feels like blizz is done with cooking rogue

[native zodiac]

theres so much they could do and we ended up with haste snapshotting dance duration

[dry flame]

Is something done if it was never cooked?

Are we the salad of wow?

[native zodiac]

im dreading next season if they dont do changes and we lose 4 secs on blades + guidon

[tribal blade]

feels like we reached a critical point of rogue being borderline useless

and they aren't responding to it

[dry flame]

To not worry about Guidon, I just got 289 puzzle box instead in my first vault

[warm marlin]

yep

rework needed in .5/12.1

[short radish]

Rework coming in 12.2.7

[native zodiac]

just roll it back to manaforge sub

[short radish]

If only

They had to do so little to keep sub rogue fun

And they fumbled every step of the way

[plush roost]

S2 tier set leak, shadow dance duration extended by .1 sec per cp spent

[warm marlin]

temu cycle of hatred

[plush roost]

Ye

[tribal blade]

that would actually be pretty good

[warm marlin]

it legit just needs sectec charges of some kind and nimble revert

and its in a playable state

[plush roost]

Oh wait wait wait i got it

[warm marlin]

there are a lot of other things i would like

[tribal blade]

isn't sectec charges coming

[warm marlin]

i mean they never said anything

[chrome palm]

It’s crazy when you play any other class

And you actually have things that help the group

Rogue is just utterly useless, and it doesn’t even play well anymore

[warm marlin]

hmm that does kinda suggest the shot in the dark thing

[tribal blade]

i wonder if that's actually telling of anything

[chrome palm]

Which was kinda the thing that kept people on rogue, the damage profile and playstyle

[warm marlin]

yep

[chrome palm]

I was leveling my ppal a bit today and man

[plush roost]

Its simple, we make activating shadow dance launch us in the air and stun for 2 seconds around us

[short radish]

No i just keep trying to will it into existence

[chrome palm]

The difference between pal and rogue

[tribal blade]

having multiple sectec charges would make sub pretty interesting

[chrome palm]

Is a gulf

[plush roost]

We can rename it Shadowmorphosis

[warm marlin]

maybe i should write another feedback post that will get ignored

[short radish]

Gives us flexibility again

[tribal blade]

it would def give us that

[short radish]

Fuck there are so many quick wins blizzard could do

[chrome palm]

Better than screaming into the void in here I suppose

Idk there’s a lot of things about this class that just need to be reworked

Basically everything about the class

Imo

[dry flame]

All 3 specs flow pretty okay atm imo. It's just tuning and no utility
(and dmg profiles)

[plush roost]

I think sec tec charges would lead to a degen playstyle of fitting 3 sec tec in blades by holding cds for 20 sevonds

[warm marlin]

maybe blades would be a real cd then

[chrome palm]

Utility, rotation, stating, theme, animations, damage profile, niche

[tribal blade]

the funny thing is i was in the forum the other day and somebody in there was saying he was told to go into the rogue disc to give opinions because they don't read the forums

so who knows where the devs are

[plush roost]

Which maybe is fine, but then youre really just sitting there pressing backstab evis

No more rupture to maintain or either

[tribal blade]

probably yeah

[chrome palm]

This part is awful too

[uncut juniper]

Sub downtime is so ass

[tribal blade]

we don't have as much downtime as before

[chrome palm]

Sub outside of dance was actually very busy in tww

In keys at least

[plush roost]

Ye

[chrome palm]

Spreading ruptures and naked secret was very fun imo

[native zodiac]

1 sectech per dance when

[tribal blade]

in aoe yeah was quite busy

[dry flame]

Sub downtime is most minimal of 3 specs tbf

[chrome palm]

And reinforced the planning aspect of the spec

[warm marlin]

paladins as a council fight with a guy running out would once again go hard with rupture

timers for rupture were fun on soulhunters

[plush roost]

I actually kinda miss rupture o7

[tribal blade]

i wish they would just reskin rupture with nightblade

[chrome palm]

Remember when they gave sub a talent that doubled your rupture to help in low target cleave

And then removed that talent and rupture in the low target cleave raid

[tribal blade]

AND removed evis and strike from nimble

[chrome palm]

Low key

[keen dome]

raid bfuf when

[chrome palm]

I’m not a fan of reskin abilities

I’d prefer backstab as sinister strike

And dispatch as eviscerate

[tribal blade]

would love to see hemo come back

[dry flame]

Remember when Cheat Death wasn't the worst Cheat Death in the game?

[plush roost]

Wtb saber slash

[ebon tiger]

everyone asking for rupture to come back are gonna make the monkey's finger curl and turn secret technique into a bleed or something

[chrome palm]

What do you think about

Hasted restless blades (wrong channel Ik)

Imagine you bl or pi

And get 30% more cdr

[plush roost]

Sounds like youd only max haste and do noodle dam with an even flatter profile

[warm marlin]

fire mage is still worse

[plush roost]

And theyd probably have to redesign rtb3

[chrome palm]

I think they should prob just

Give deepening shadows to outlaw

It would actually be fine for adr imo

[plush roost]

They should turn fast action into an active called stacked deck, where each BTE applies a stack to your deck, when activated refreshes your BTE

[thin sinew]

What are the outlaw riff raff doing here?

[plush roost]

Outlaw now has a burst CD

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-him-out-gif-14876020

[plush roost]

Wowie

[chrome palm]

A third bte reset mechanic???

Or you mean

The damage buff

[plush roost]

Yeah but this one is something you plan for

Just fire off 10 btes in a row in AR

Fuck it bro

Typeshit

[chilly dagger]

Hey guys! I got a shadow blades macro which also /use Light's Potential .. is there a way I can make it only use my rank1 for low level actitivities and not use my rank 2 ones which I only want for raiding?

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people, hope everyone has nice eastern (if they celebrate)

[plush roost]

Im actually having a western ty fuu

[chrome palm]

Happy Easter fuu

[chilly dagger]

@vale pine its been a blast having some days off finally - how about you? Found your easter eggs?^^

[vale pine]

not yet^^

[keen dome]

post easter eggs

[jade oasis]

give me rupture on black powder, like warrior has is on their aoe ability

[short radish]

Yes. Use item id

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-egg-tauren-gif-27178540

[chilly dagger]

would it be /use 123456 (i assume I get the item id from wowhead?)

[short radish]

I posted a macro for this before. Search messages by me with mention of the word combat

[vale pine]

@chrome palm i might visually hallucinate, but your name color looks yellow-ish... maybe my laptop screen starts to show colors incorrectly

[vagrant fulcrum]

he betrayed you, very rogueish

[cosmic prairie]

its time for bed buddy

[keen dome]

How's the storm over there, Fuu?

[vale pine]

its sunny here today

no storm

[keen dome]

Lucky

Very wimdy here

[chilly dagger]

01:45]Fimbulvtr: #showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

Why is it 4 item ids in though? 😮

[keen dome]

there's 4 varfiants of it

Rank 1 and Rank 2. And Conjured via cauldron rank 1 and rank 2

[vale pine]

whats that for?

combat potion?

[chilly dagger]

I wanted to map Rank 1 (the low lvl) Lights potential to my Shadow Blades Macro

because theyre too expensive for me for m+10s

Only wanted to use the rank 2s for raids

[cloud niche]

Do we use coup de grace when it comes up or wait for shadow dance?

[vale pine]

you don't need combat potion in 10s

12's earliest

even then, maybe 13 or 14

[chilly dagger]

for 10s its fine, the rank 1s do not cost anything

[vale pine]

fair

[chilly dagger]

(im running 14s though)

I just wanted to have it split to use rank2 for raids (separate macro)

[vale pine]

we didn't have time yesterday

so we did 3 quick 12s

tho nobody used combat potions iirc, and it was still fairly easy timable

[chilly dagger]

Jeah probably I wouldnt also need to use buff food, I just like to use it, squeezing all I can (reasonable to my budget) out

But im still lost on which of those 4 item ids would be the rank 1

[vale pine]

buff food is free essentially ^^

[vale osprey]

You can just use the macro that was posted here yesterday which uses the IDs of the pots sequentially, it starts with high quality fleeting, low quality fleeting, high quality regular, then low quality regular.

The solution is to just carry the rank 1 ones

[chilly dagger]

nvm im dumb too, my tooltip shows me the item id lmao

[chilly dagger]

id rather just switch the ids in my macro per activity instead of running to the bank and swapping it in/out of my inv. I dont have bank toys or anything 😄

[vale osprey]

Do you raid as part of a guild or pug?

If a guild surely this isn't an issue as you'd always have fleeting ones no?

[keen dome]

I just use the rank 1 for everything

the difference isn't big enough for me to care

[chilly dagger]

guild, no fleetings tho. ^^

[vale osprey]

💀💀

You BUY rank 2s for raid?

[chilly dagger]

tbh I didnt even know fleetings where a thing lol, but jeah, I did buy Rank 2s^^

[vale osprey]

Holy

[shadow lance]

You must have crazy money amount

[vale osprey]

If your guild are making you buy then yeah do as Gestalt said and use rank 1s fuuuuuck that

They want 1k a pot they can put a cauldron down lmao

[chilly dagger]

they dont make. Its just what i wanted to do^^

But theyre also not the best, more like a casual, but thats another story ^^

[chilly dagger]

not that much anymore haha

As my macro used the expensive ones for my M+ runs xD

[hallow mortar]

i was never on first boss so i always missed cauldron 😄

[shadow lance]

That's wild

[dry flame]

/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309 ```

for easy copy/formatting ![thumbs](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1034526406148882512.webp?size=128 "thumbs")

[short radish]

You were already answered but yeah it uses fleeting over non fleeting

So just take the item ids as you need

[ivory garnet]

guys do u know any addon that help me to track cast sequence of my abilities ? i mean to see witch abilities i just pressed ?

[dry flame]

WilduTools is a general QoL addon

that also has "GCD History" option

which is what you're looking for

the addon can do 100s other things, very useful

[ivory garnet]

okey thx

[wanton sage]

Hey guys!!!! What do you think about the coming class tuning ?

Stick to sub in m+ or we got some competition

Some predictions maybe 😅

[dry flame]

if you're doing stuff under 15s, sub is more than fine

[vale pine]

mixed, it does not buff subtlety

but i am not 100% sure how big of a buff it is to the other specs

it feels strange tho, that subtlety is now the worse cleave spec in the game

without rciving any change to fix that

[keen dome]

They're saving it up

[short radish]

rogue aren't allowed to have a niche except "constant aoe"

and "1 second burst"

[wanton sage]

tbh i do good dmg but i see that im missing my most overall dmg when i have energy downtimes

"good dmg" but yeah like i cant keep up with other speccs 😄 thats what i ment

[dry flame]

they removed funnel from Sub and gave a 2x stronger one to Frost and Ele Sham back in SL

[torn tide]

it is?? i feel like its not even that bad

[short radish]

[keen dome]

We can trace it all back to Zul.

[silver hearth]

Considering we want 650-700 haste to account for headroom/mistakes, raidbots obv doesn't take this into account right? It has my top gear at 617 haste

[short radish]

fuck zul

[keen dome]

And there's a troll raid coming next season.

I'm just saying it's gonna come full circle

[torn tide]

im always like topping dps in my +10s even tho im always atleast 5ilvls below the other dps

[dry flame]

in the grand scheme of things, it wasn't even that big of a deal - they were just afraid they have to avoid types of mechanics

[dry flame]

but when the 2-boss raid was rolling 15 affi locks, that's fine

[keen dome]

Haha yep

[silver hearth]

fuu said cleave not aoe

[wanton sage]

with that being said, that means for higher keys other specs ?

[keen dome]

I mained Sub the entire of BfA and uh, yeah, nothing will compare.

[short radish]

more proof for my conspiracy theory that blizzard hates rogues

[torn tide]

oh oops

[stiff pollen]

ofc, everything dies in 10 super quick other classes don't have time to outdps u

[wanton sage]

they hate rogues and love mages

[dry flame]

if you're doing anything higher, both Outlaw and Assa are great

[keen dome]

Where's the MM nerfs.

[short radish]

for some reason destro has been allowed to keep its niche of 2 target fights since 5ever

[wanton sage]

cause of more utility? or why

[dry flame]

dmg

[torn tide]

lol true, shit dies before i start running outta stuff kinda

[dry flame]

sub falls off at higher keys

[vale pine]

you see it on the wcl chart... oh wait

[dry flame]

but its great until 14s ish

[torn tide]

amazing stuff

[short radish]

do you know why wclogs have been shitting the bed the last few weeks?

[stiff pollen]

I am having super hard time keeping up with other dps in 17s

[short radish]

normally its rio

[wanton sage]

like i said, i have problems with the energy downtime when u dont have shadow dance up if u have it up the whole pull i would be easily top

[vale pine]

i posted it yesterday already

[torn tide]

holy shit

[vale pine]

thats paladins heroic

[keen dome]

my job is never done

[vale pine]

which is basically the definition of sustained clevae

[short radish]

energy downtime is fine

its how the spec works

if you have infinite energy

[short radish]

energy does not exist

[torn tide]

that is depressing

[keen dome]

We're back on top

[dry flame]

Race you to the bottom

[mint swift]

Survival has a 3 target fight which is one of it''s best uses
only to find out that MM obliterates it anyway

[torn tide]

ayyy

[wanton sage]

but at the end of the day u just have to pray other ppl in ur key cant play theyre spec so ure fist

[mint swift]

I bet if you went into mythic pallies you'd be ontop

[short radish]

honestly i've been doing 15s and 16s

and still doing fine

[mint swift]

Nono thats windwalker

[short radish]

even without shaman buff

[mint swift]

you wanna be first

not fist

[vale pine]

haha ye

[mint swift]

as sub rogue

[short radish]

sub rogue damage in keys isn't really a problem

[wanton sage]

XDDD

[short radish]

and honestly is kinda fine

[small vortex]

ive been doing 17/18s and feeling ok

[short radish]

we have good damage for packs always

[mint swift]

I played with some sub rogues and they seem pretty good

[short radish]

and we also do good ST boss damage

[small vortex]

im not crazy but constant dmg with sectec is good

[mint swift]

btw have you guys seen fire mage

[keen dome]

My "Rogue is fine, actually" stocks are rising

[small vortex]

and i play guidon for boss dmg

[mint swift]

i've seen 2, they are fucking insane

[keen dome]

But we aren't good.

[mint swift]

hold on

[short radish]

i will doom when appropriate

[wanton sage]

GUYS u can help me? ??? with energy usage

[short radish]

but m+ damage is not a place to doom about our damage

[wanton sage]

or is it just realy timing shadow dance better not use it on cd?

[keen dome]

Sub doesn't have energy usage issues.

[short radish]

no. your despair is honestly a state of mind

[mint swift]

Look at this fmage go

[torn tide]

it looks so fucking good to gap ST in bosses lol

[keen dome]

You either have no energy during a time when you do no damage, or infinite energy when doing damage.

[mint swift]

First one i saw and mne and the healer were plesantly surprised

[keen dome]

That's all there is to it

[young apex]

guys do i always want to use shadow blades with 2 dances ?

[short radish]

yeah at the very least we still have the enjoyment of basically same m+ tree as raid

[young apex]

cause im lowkey confused my dmg goes down soo fast after big burst

[wanton sage]

BUT I AM!!!

[short radish]

yeah

well 1.5 dances

[young apex]

i would link my logs to ask for help but warcraftlogs is down rn lol

[wanton sage]

yeah thats me too

[keen dome]

!energy

[young apex]

nvm its up

[wanton sage]

but its because energy is gone too since u dont have active shadow danec

[keen dome]

Hm, nothing.

You do not damage outside Shadow Dance. In shadow dance you should have infinite energy.

[wanton sage]

yeah right

[small vortex]

you are an npc outside of dance

[keen dome]

Kickbot Supreme

[small vortex]

you will run out of energy and tickle people

[young apex]

okay so its my first time raiding myth with sub and i wanna know if there is some generall good dps advice

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HV9gb4hJq2QRmpWa?fight=8&type=damage-done

[wanton sage]

but the "outside shadow dance" phase is too long for me -> dmg goes big down after burst

[small vortex]

thats how the spec feels

[wanton sage]

and i walways talk abt m+

[mint swift]

"I stand in city like npc"

As a legned once said

[short radish]

okay please consider the following

what does burst damage mean

[small vortex]

Real and true

[mint swift]

"go back to hello kitty island adventure"

[wanton sage]

BIG BOOM and then it goes down

[mint swift]

but now subs being played on L'ura

[short radish]

yes exactly it goes down

[mint swift]

so no more hello kitty island adventure

[short radish]

in order to burst

you must not burst

[mint swift]

But

[small vortex]

many hello kitties

[mint swift]

what if it didn't

[wanton sage]

Yeah but i have the feeling it goes too much down 😄

[mint swift]

permenant dance?!

[wanton sage]

because i suck

[short radish]

[wanton sage]

and i wanna understand why i suck

and what i can do better

[mint swift]

https://tenor.com/view/it-dont-go-down-waterfall-prank-gif-22797606

[short radish]

idk skill issue or something

sub rogue is honestly fine on damage

[wanton sage]

im re tar ded

[torn tide]

outside dance is the powernap phase

[wanton sage]

yeah thats why

[mint swift]

Ok tbf you had 2 NPCs in your game

[wanton sage]

im actually just re tar ded

[dry flame]

only thing that matters on this fight is boss dmg and abyssal voidshaper dmg, dont look at overall stuff

[keen dome]

Double filter dodge to drop a slur

Good way to get help

[young apex]

but even that is ass lol

[wanton sage]

maybe i should just stop playing this game

[short radish]

this is me being uber ethical and not padding in MT 15

[small vortex]

send help pls!!!!

xd

[mint swift]

Bro
nut fast jack
snowman

what are these people

[short radish]

i mean they're also main raiders with same ilvl

[dry flame]

yeah work on that and optimise CD usage - first ad comes around 1min 3 sec

[torn tide]

genuinely i feel like slurs arent that bad if u dont use them in like a bad context

[mint swift]

tbf i found

[short radish]

i just omega stacked my group on the +10 and killed all the mobs before they could

[wanton sage]

im retar ded

[mint swift]

this specimen

a few days ago

[small vortex]

eh...

[torn tide]

heh

[mint swift]

I found palacetamol

As a holy palla

that was a pretty good name

[keen dome]

That's a ridiculous take

[mint swift]

think he was matched w a DK called gonorrhea

[wanton sage]

u think i should still play this game?

i think it makes more sense to just end it

[young apex]

okay so lets say shadow dance is up with secret technique and blades is on 30 sec cd do i wait and pool or do i insta send

[mint swift]

I mean
I think what he is trying to say is that there are circumstances where it technically isn't offencive or rude but saying they are fine if you don't use them to insult is quite a take

[young apex]

since i wanna have 2 dances in blade window

[mint swift]

Anyway i gotta go have breakfast

[short radish]

bro you need to chill and calm down

[small vortex]

you can send with blades up in 30s

[fleet acorn]

Guys anyone know how to fix the vanish Bug ?
Sometimes I vanish and cant Strike?
It’s Like the stealth doesn’t work

[wanton sage]

yeah ikr im just makin fun but it gets on my nerves

[small vortex]

hold when ~10s till blades

[young apex]

perfect thanks

i was sending all the time l

everytime

lol

[small vortex]

and situational you can hold blades longer if you know you're about to do a big pull or boss

and pack is almost dead anyway

[young apex]

i was holding dance and technique for big add with adds

[keen dome]

Context does matter but I would simply not use them at all due to the connotations.

[small vortex]

in raid you send whenever available holding sectec with dance for ~10s for blades

[torn tide]

yea i meant the circumstances one

[small vortex]

and it should sync up well most of the time

i kinda just send stuff off of vibes most of the time

and think about it afterwards if it was bad

[fleet acorn]

Guys anyone know how to fix the vanish Bug ?
Sometimes I vanish and cant Strike?
It’s Like the stealth doesn’t work

[dry flame]

you can check some logs and see when/how people send CDs

[tribal blade]

i haven't been watching, how're echo doing

is it the classic amazing P3 pull for first pull and then wiping in P1 nonstop after

[hollow spear]

Haven't checked in the last hour, but potentially

Edged a bit too much, now they can't hold it in

[vale pine]

echo plays catch up after they nerfed the boss when echo went to sleep

[mint swift]

Ye

[mint swift]

Isn't it usually the opposite way around

Like im not trying to ragebait anyone but whenver i hear it it's with NA catchup after a nerfwhen they were sleeping

[vale pine]

i don't know, its usually like this iirc

[mint swift]

and what was the nerf? The only thing i see is making the visuals better

[keen dome]

P3 stuff iirc

[mint swift]

Oh fair
I just remember, i think it was razageth?

[keen dome]

Yeah

[mint swift]

and also queen azshara

hold on

[keen dome]

Razageth was the funny one

[vale pine]

NA often has the early reset advantage and the benefit of blizz being in a timezone of applying changes before liquid starts to play

[keen dome]

Where it got nerfed in the final phase and then I think died the next pull?

[hollow spear]

The P3 stuff didn't really matter when it comes to catch up

[mint swift]

Imma try check, i swear for azshara they were like
hard stuck at intermission, nerfed when they slept, then lost the race

[keen dome]

It's how it goes

Just don't sleep

[mint swift]

Yea wasn't it this

THat one long line is intermission before it was nerfed and then it was nerfed when they slept and killed orsmth

[vale pine]

echo probably rly needs this win

[hollow spear]

I'm not really invested in who's winning tbh. Would probably be good for the race if Echo took this one.

[vale pine]

liquid just has, so far, a massive advantage

[mint swift]

For me it's just

I think max is cool

[vale pine]

(this race)

[mint swift]

I don't have any stakes in the race i just watch max's stuff sometime

[hollow spear]

Idk, I kinda think they're all douchebags when it comes to rwf stuff

Outside I'm good with them

[keen dome]

I want which ever team has a rogue in to win

[mint swift]

I get what you mean yea
Sometimes it might be just in the moment stuff, not sure

I've never been in their positions, and will never be, so it's hard to tell how it feels yknow

[keen dome]

I never want to be in their positions.

It looks awful! Mad respect for the level of dedication and willpower they have though.

[mint swift]

Oh 100%

I genuinly cannot imagine sleeping

or how hard it would be to get to sleep during this

cause i'd assume the fear of waking up and realising you've lost is real

Wait wtf how has liquid gotten it down to 20%

[keen dome]

Blasting

[hallow mortar]

Liquid just feel stronger

[mint swift]

I was expecting it to still be on like
40% best

[hallow mortar]

Sad for eu fans like me

[mint swift]

gawd damn

Probably due to the nerfs

[twin surge]

yeah p1 nerfs came around 7 pm for echo and they had to go to bed in couple of hours. liquid got whole day prog with p1 nerfs so kinda makes sense but it is what it is.

[mint swift]

It's hard to do it in a state where it can't be considered bias

[twin surge]

yeah exactly.

[mint swift]

Tbh, it would have been cool if they left it unnerfed and just watched how insane this boss could be

saying that as if the last few tiers (minus gally) weren't uber insane

[twin surge]

i think then it would have gone after reset most probably

[keen dome]

A lotta people would just be sitting around waiting for them to un-RWF the final two bosses

lol, the Heroic Balo'ren Pug Approach seems to have foramlised as 2/2/20

pour one out for the healers