subtlety

[keen dome]

Fuu should post their pc specs again

[steel zinc]

Some of my guild have 6 year old cpus like zen3 and no x3d and have no issues

[lofty cypress]

Is there a guide on simming gear drops properly anywhere? I've just been chucking it in top gear and picking the top option

[small hearth]

Is ther an addon so can make ancient arts procc look like the pistol procc on outlaw?

[vale pine]

you can just replace the icon of it with the pistol shot icon

[small hearth]

I mean like spell overlay like finger of frost look alike

[steel zinc]

guys rogue is fine now all rogues are benched on prog for the new raid too

[vivid slate]

not show

[oblique delta]

More or less all melee are benched

[steel zinc]

any melee with decent cleave is in basically but yeah true

[strange solar]

any know that addons this is? seems way easier to check for first dance than checking buff bar

[ashen grove]

are they shit?

hast mastery, nice passive

[dusky yacht]

Personally I don't think this is terrible however I would not have gone with that Embellishment since our stat prio is agi above all else, don't just take my word for it though I'm kinda new.

[ashen grove]

ah true, i cant wear it with crafted belt. forgot

thx

[dusky yacht]

Np

[lusty acorn]

Is there any change to class tunning drop today?

[dusky yacht]

Yes, due to Devourer Demon Hunters not one-shotting Mythic raids by themselves, they've decided to buff them and delete all other classes.

[vast echo]

would love to know also if you find out

[grizzled hornet]

any idea what that might be? did you cross check?

[steel zinc]

I ran some own personal profiler once for that boss when we did our split. And it was pretty obvs some addons just nuke your fps

Tbf though its also the boss doing all the animations

[grizzled hornet]

i mean any idea which addon that might be? cus i was just fine the entire fight but on the intermission from 90 fps i dropped to 6

[steel zinc]

NS tools, mrt all cause spikes during that fight that are not normal for w/e reason

[grizzled hornet]

Thank you so much

[ivory garnet]

isnt planned execution better than warning signs ?

[hollow spear]

No

[ivory garnet]

cuz i saw the top assa rogue going for it

i mean sub

[torpid stump]

!addon

[verbal kelp]

What’s the better on use trinket for m+: guidon or puzzle?

[tribal blade]

you can run it to do very big aoe dam

and then 0 ST

[tepid trellis]

they are about equal on AoE and warning signs is better on lower targets + single target

[tribal blade]

he doesn't even have skyfury

so i have no idea what his ST must be like

[dense fossil]

So you're suggesting that he's doing overall fine for his ilvl, correct?

[versed crest]

can someone explain this to me: why does Haste sim so badly? Aren't we supposed to have 18%? is haste only better if i sit at exactly 18%?

I current sit on 542 (16%) haste, 729 crit and 883 mastery unbuffed. But haste is my worst stat according to sims

Please help ❤️

[cosmic prairie]

ya

[tribal blade]

you are not hitting the breakpoint needed

[tepid trellis]

well napkin math says about 8-9%

[azure thicket]

i haven't seen a single pull into boss for funnel yet

[tribal blade]

so it wants you to go lower

[tepid trellis]

not muy bonita

[versed crest]

I see

[cosmic prairie]

also fk u and ur eu times @ ing me 2am

[tribal blade]

yeah there's 0 shot i would ever play that

[cosmic prairie]

[tribal blade]

must feel so bad

[dusky yacht]

[tribal blade]

dunno what they do when they can't pull stuff onto a boss

[tepid trellis]

cri

every tim

[tribal blade]

haha

[azure thicket]

where's the

[dusky yacht]

Write an angry letter to blizz pressing down hard on the paper so they understand exactly how angri they are

[versed crest]

meaning if i get to 18% with recrafts/gear changes, it will perform better?

[tribal blade]

they're playing aug too so it compounds the issue

[quaint breach]

do we use a second arcanoweave linning for our 3rd craft?

[tepid trellis]

fwiw dont think about the actual % of haste aim for the raw number of roughly 700 haste stat

[azure thicket]

weapon embell + arcano afaiu

[tribal blade]

more specifically minimum 587, safer to be 684

[cosmic prairie]

aug kinda w/e

[tribal blade]

and a lot of people just go ~700

because you get more of a buffer

[cosmic prairie]

r1 parse had a 40% aug uptime when most people have like +80%

[tribal blade]

unless you play like a robot and never mess up gcds or uptime

[cosmic prairie]

(im saying random things im going back to bed)

[tepid trellis]

tbf most of aug dmg redistribution actually works correct on sub so it wont really affect anything dmg wise for the rogue

[versed crest]

Thanks!

[tepid trellis]

reroll DH

and steal their dmg

is the move

oppress the lizards

[dense fossil]

Aight, thanks lad.

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna be so sad if it's another aug season

they've had enough seasons

notlikethisagain

[tepid trellis]

unless they nerf them

it iwll be

[tribal blade]

so aug doesn't buff the healer or tank anymore right

i think they do give the tank blistering scales still?

what other group defensives do they bring

[tepid trellis]

defensive wise yeh they dont anymore

they just do alot of fcking dmg now

[tribal blade]

kk just dmg then

yeah it's nutty, saw some crazy aug dmg in raid

[tepid trellis]

like an insane amount of dmg if you know what you are doing

[tribal blade]

i heard aug is even more brain dead now

[tepid trellis]

i was showed some logs from RWF paladins

and people think hunter did insane dmg

they have no idea

xD

[tribal blade]

hahaha

you got the aug also buffing the MM

[tepid trellis]

the hunters werent close

to what aug did

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

well the guy who wants to play aug on my raid team was in for chim rekill he wasn't in for prog

and got our RL to yell at him because he kept killing the other side

there was already a very low chance he was gonna see prog

now there's 0 shot

[tepid trellis]

we have good augs in my guild

so its gonna be fun seeing what they can do

[tribal blade]

i heard killing the egg on bird came literally down to ebon might crits

[fleet acorn]

guys how do you decide what to craft this week as longterm investment? 285 crafted
-> LEGS/BOOTS/NECK/RING/CLOAK?

WERE 4/9 Mythic clearing weekly on dragons progress this week

[tribal blade]

like if they didn't get enough ebon might crits it was gg

[tribal blade]

niec nice

[vale pine]

you can sim it, there is a text (pinned) file in #tc-research which can help you

[fleet acorn]

im not sure how long we need vor mythic neck kill maybe 2-3 weeks until were there?

[finite sandal]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

yep 3rd aug was better than a sub rogue who couldnt beat a guardian druid on the egg burns

sick world we live in

[vale pine]

great

rly happy that we kept the strengths of subtlety

[tribal blade]

getting outbursted by guardian is so wild

GREAT GAME

[tepid trellis]

tbf rogue wasent the only one getting out dmg'd

but the others bring non benchable raid buffs

[hollow spear]

wait real? below a guardian druid?

[tribal blade]

we need a real raid buff

[hollow spear]

the heck

[fleet acorn]

i have a question about the neck my sim always says its a downgrade - and we distribute loot via % dmg increase and prio loot from sim (droptimizer) it seems with that i can never get the neck what should i do?

[tepid trellis]

yep

egg phase happens on 2 min push timer

so sub only has dances

[vale pine]

can't do much

[tepid trellis]

and you cant really hold blades

[vale pine]

if your rl does only go with sims from your current gear

[tepid trellis]

since you will just be useless in regular phases

[fleet acorn]

yea they do current gear with max upgradess

so weird

[simple locust]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[quaint breach]

hm, only two embelishments? third gets none?

[azure thicket]

oh uh anyone else like dander's frames

it's really in the spirit of suf

[vale osprey]

Then equip full crit mastery gear (every slot from the bis list) and then the neck will sim higher 🙃

It's not even disingenuous because if you get the neck you'd remove some additional haste from crafts etc and go to crit mast

[fleet acorn]

will try that out thanks

[languid stone]

Is there anyway to add Shadowstrike to the cooldown manager ? Same for Eviscerate that can only be show in Tricksters…

[rose parrot]

Hello, should you use pre-pot before blades or is it ok to macro it with blades?

[jade oasis]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[fleet acorn]

no reason to track strike? and evic no reason when not trickster

[narrow trail]

i have a question folks, i am subtlety trickster, with an algeth'ar puzzle box. I active the puzzle in my opener to match shadowblade and shadow dance and secret technique. But since it is 2min colldown, should i wait algeathar puzzle CD to be up before activating my 2nd shadowblade (1m30 CD) or casting shadowblade on CD is more important ?

on raid boss

[tepid trellis]

you treat puzzle as a 3min trinket

[narrow trail]

thank you 🙂 clear.

[tribal blade]

or you do what my guildie did and completely forgot he was using puzzlebox

and press it 0 times in a key

[modern sentinel]

"It procs doesnt it?"

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade bench sim stocks 🚀

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[iron whale]

I wanted to make a poll for sub players, is there a way?

[tribal blade]

just type "poll website" in google

bunch of free sites you can use

[vale osprey]

Yfw we didn't get a single trink from 5/8 myth yesterday

S2g my vault better have Guidon or gaze in it

[barren wolf]

ret is actually so dogshit but so are the other pala specs

so you have to play a ret

[hollow spear]

Is assa so garbage that it just couldn't be a consideration?

[barren wolf]

and the only difference between ret and rogue is that the 3% dr is actually a 3%dr

[vale osprey]

Honestly the more gear we get looks like assa is going to be the play on a good number of fights, adds are going to start getting blown up too quick for it to matter as sub idk

I need to decide which I'm playing on paladins

[tepid trellis]

well its just worse than sub is

does less dmg over a 30sec window than sub does

which is what matters on bird

[hollow spear]

I could swear that people went around a couple of days ago saying that assa had competitive burst now

[barren wolf]

well atleast exactly this profile makes ele and ww so good on the fight

[lilac stag]

We actually had a good number of heroic trinkets drop + the str trinket in mythic. It was a good set of problems for loot council.

[tepid trellis]

yep

[barren wolf]

and ele + ww have been absolutely nowhere until birb

[vale osprey]

Our LC was remarkably quick last night because of no BiS haha, just a HC plume was all

[vale hull]

Hello, why does it matter to have 18% haste ? It only increase dance duration by 1.5sec, which isnt 2 extra globals

[tepid trellis]

in execute it does

but out of execute it doesent do too hot

[lilac stag]

Just run full DS sub then. Assa’s boss dmg only looks good since they’re incapable of doing anything else. Other specs would be above them if they got to just sit on boss.

[hollow spear]

1. percentage doesn't matter, you need 650, ideally 700
2. you need some leeway (roughly 0.4 s) to actually get the additional global over the duration of your dance

[vale osprey]

I guess that's true

[lilac stag]

Let ele just tunnel the boss.

[hollow spear]

I feel like judging rogue in a RWF context is pretty cooked atp

[lilac stag]

Well if our utility isn’t good enough for a single spot in bleeding edge content, there’s a problem.

[limpid sage]

why is sub rogue discord so much better than all others

[lilac stag]

on a 3 healer fight no less

[lilac stag]

We’re used to getting shit on historically

highs never too high, ride out the lows

[jade oasis]

this entire class discord is actually so much more helpful than every other class discord

[vale osprey]

Our class has been dog shit so often that the community members are ride or die for the class.

Key members in this discord are goated

[lilac stag]

Outlaw realizing once again outlaw tier full meme, assa not knowing what to do with themselves.

surely everything fixed with blue post today…

[vale osprey]

Oh shit it's Friday yeah

🙏🙏

[tepid trellis]

fwiw tuning wise this is the first time in a long time where its actually awful on progress, and alot of us suffered through alot worse shit some expansions ago

[lilac stag]

It 2 casts. You don’t need 2 full seconds for 2 casts. The 700 number gives you room to get both casts off.

[tepid trellis]

and screaming in discord just falls of deaf ears anyway

so no reason to constantly cry and moan about it here

https://klipy.com/gifs/wall-K6q

[lilac stag]

Wonder how long exile is in for today.

[vale hull]

how? a global is 1sec, 18% haste or around 700 is 1.5sec dance increase

[lilac stag]

You cast your global at 0 and 1

Or 0 and 1.2 if coup

[limpid sage]

it just feels like people actually care about the spec here as well

almost all other discords they're perma yapping about everything but the spec

[lilac stag]

we’ve mostly all been around long enough where it’s a passion project

Haven’t gotten totally burned out

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[barren wolf]

missed out on playing poe for this...

[lilac stag]

I’m not sure if that’s a bad thing

[tribal blade]

ALL DAY ERR DAY

[lilac stag]

Woyer discord does a pretty good job keeping channels on topic.

[tribal blade]

i'm so die hard rogue i tried to pull a prank on my RL, told him i wanted to reroll

[limpid sage]

true actually

[tribal blade]

and he didnt buy it for a second

[limpid sage]

I came from there so didn't realize how bad other discords are

feral is a bit degen but still helpful

[lilac stag]

I don’t like the no emojis responses but w/e

[tribal blade]

isn't feral channel them spamming cat stuff

[tribal blade]

yeah that's weird

[limpid sage]

yes

[lilac stag]

Avoids passive aggressive shit.

[limpid sage]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-vibe-cat-meme

this one mainly iirc

[lilac stag]

Like being misinterpreted.

[tepid trellis]

[tribal blade]

surebud

[barren wolf]

can you have sexual talk on there

[lilac stag]

[alpine wraith]

dont worry just hit them with the

or the

[tepid trellis]

no only in assa

[alpine wraith]

[barren wolf]

like if it happens that whispyr is there and i talk to him

can i say i wanna rim him

[tepid trellis]

only in assa

[alpine wraith]

[barren wolf]

okey

[lilac stag]

[alpine wraith]

actually imagine if instead of goremaw you got

[lilac stag]

Only if Kevin returns

[tribal blade]

imagine if we got that to fix our cleave problem

the leggo version

where you spike 3 targets

[vestal escarp]

[barren wolf]

i miss kevin so fucking much

why did you remind me

i loved necrolord

too bad the leggo was 0% st increase

[brazen lion]

what's the best poison combo for M+ ?

[lilac stag]

generally numbing over atrophic

[alpine wraith]

yea instant and numbing

[daring trail]

I just came back to the game and struggle to see how we get more dmg from wasting cp on during dance, since the apex only makes the finisher consume shadow tecniques. Is it because evis/bp/dfa proccing clones?

[tribal blade]

i would advise using atrophic over numbing, but if you're doing weekly keys it doesn't matter

[lilac stag]

pug keys slower casts is a W

[tribal blade]

yes you force proc apex on finishers

and we do a lot of finisher dmg

strike also hits hard so it's worth the wasted CP

[tribal blade]

i can get down with that yeah

[lilac stag]

are they really wasted if we’re doing more dmg?

[tribal blade]

lol true

also using it on supercharged finishers

that's 10 CP finishers

they hit very hard

therefore apexing them is big value

[lilac stag]

I find myself needing to be more agressive with just sending a dance before bosses or trash at times to just get more SC

“Shit I wish I prepped a dance here”

[tribal blade]

i forget to do that all the time

thing i am doing is being extremely aggressive with sending dances and blades

and my dps has gone up quite a lot

[lilac stag]

still not totally focused on shorter cd in keys

[barren wolf]

it feels bad to do send it and feels bad to not send it cause its your dps finishing the pack

[lilac stag]

I just send Sectech at end of pack

[tribal blade]

just send

[lilac stag]

It’s up every 20

[barren wolf]

i know i am him

i know the tech for overalls

GREED

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-it-is-him-liz-lemon-30rock-shocked-surprised-gif-20346328

[tribal blade]

i was using dances like how we used ot

with cdr

and dps was meh

[lilac stag]

Yeah

[tribal blade]

better to just full send always

[lilac stag]

saving blades feels troll

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not as powerful as it used to be

[rose parrot]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tribal blade]

so sitting on it not great

[languid stone]

I just like to have my wa/cdm have skills in the same order than my action bars 🥲

[lilac stag]

It just extra screen clutter. It’ll be ok

Otherwise ditch the cdm and just put an action bar there

[brisk onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI2GznwOQtU

[swift tinsel]

I see they’re running rogue on last boss, dreams of utility buffs dashed

[barren wolf]

your hopium is high

[swift tinsel]

Nah I expect nothing

Was pouring one out for the actual hopers

Blizz be like “see we gave you one boss out of the last four”

[inner crow]

what do you guys have your lag tolerance set to?

[tribal blade]

are echo testing stuff on normal lura

[brisk onyx]

400ms

[tepid trellis]

120

[swift tinsel]

can you stack the soaks on beloren or did that get patched

[tepid trellis]

interrupt addon

[tribal blade]

makes sense

i wonder what version of this boss my guild will fight

because it looks nutty

[maiden oar]

not too late for them to sit it

they sat it last second on chicken

[swift tinsel]

lol true they did try rogue on birb for a while

didn't check to see how many pulls in they are

[maiden oar]

surely we get crit or haste buff next patch

just let us use our poison making techniques to create illegal stimulant

for haste

[swift tinsel]

I will be pleasantly surprised if anything meaningful comes from this

but presently cynical

[maiden oar]

ok we can do chaos brand for crit

or somwthing idk

[swift tinsel]

I would still like to get Thrash Blade as a buff so we aren't reliant on skyfury but that'll never happen bc redundancy

give us haste+extra auto chance

'Blade Specialization' to echo old sword specialization

[maiden oar]

what is thrash blade

[swift tinsel]

it was an old vanilla sword that had the windfury effect, a chance to proc an extra auto

but combat tree used to have sword specialization that did that as well

so there's historical precedent for rogue having extra auto attack proc chance

like personal Skyfury

would be fucking hilarious if they went all-in on rogue raid buff and gave Restless Crew back

just say fuck all timers at all times

[tribal blade]

it would actually be such a crazy good thing

because you could put people in the rogue's group and then force them to have correct cd timings

for a fight

[swift tinsel]

yeah it would give the spreadsheeters the ultimate playground for optimizing cd pulling

[hollow spear]

it's a 10% cdr basically, in the best case scenario

[barren wolf]

that would be abused to a crazy level in wfr

[swift tinsel]

oh absolutely

which is why it would be hilarious if they chose that

[tribal blade]

they wouldn't

[lilac stag]

Rogue PI stonks 📈

[tribal blade]

not after removing autumn

[swift tinsel]

ofc

[lilac stag]

crit dmg

[maiden oar]

i see

hate relying on shaman

[tribal blade]

i think it would be better if skyfury just increased the dmg of auto attacks

[swift tinsel]

and then gives us the auto attack proc chance

huehuehue

[tribal blade]

nah just give us a standard stat raid buff 😉

+3% haste

or +3% crit

[swift tinsel]

ye otherwise we'd be locked into phys comp

[tribal blade]

OR +2% crit and crit dmg

[swift tinsel]

crit and crit dmg would be nice

[tribal blade]

it would be an unsittable raid buff

which is what all the other classes have

[keen dome]

Yeah

It'd go hard

[tribal blade]

honestly let us keep atrophic at the same time

why not

[swift tinsel]

with how inconsistent/inconsequential it can be I don't see why not

[tribal blade]

exactly yeah

[swift tinsel]

if it were unsittable as-is that'd be one thing

but its very clearly not

[tribal blade]

there's a lot of classes that bring multiple things like that anyways

[swift tinsel]

for sure

[tribal blade]

the only times i've heard people excited about atrophic

were my RL

and healers in title range keys

in tough dungeons

when we're all trying to figure out how to live 1 shots

[swift tinsel]

I've legit never played with anyone who has ever mentioned it lol

[ashen grove]

i have 761 haste, raidbot still recommends to use haste+crit gem. is more haste still better?!

[tribal blade]

atrophic is actually pretty good in title keys

[void ocean]

reach 100% Dance uptime

[tribal blade]

esp on 1 shotty bosses

[swift tinsel]

I can imagine when you're looking for just that little edge to stay alive

[tribal blade]

yeah it's very pass fail

if you cannot live the 1 shot

you have to figure out how

be it external, switching to vers flask

atrophic makes a substantial diff sometimes in that regard

but that all pales in comparison to having a dmg raid buff smile

[lilac stag]

atrophic so good, benched on 3 heal dps check as pure dps class

[void ocean]

or execute raid buff, that would be interesting, increase everyone's dmf for the last 35% hp

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/apt-rosé-blackpink-bruno-mars-gif-1539050173426684783

[void ocean]

like 3% dmg increase

[lilac stag]

Just give crit dmg. Good in all content.

Don’t need to overthink this

drop atrophic in half.

Add 2-3% crit dmg

Execute in m+

Crit Dmg in m+

We get sylvanas and our execute buff is useless

[high grotto]

am i going crazy or is Shadow blades ccoming off cooldown before guildon in m+, just did a key and it kept being a 5 or more secs behind

[swift tinsel]

execute dmg would just make warrior and sin crazy

[swift tinsel]

affix

[tribal blade]

the affix

reduces cd of blades

but not trinket

[high grotto]

ahhh tyty

[pallid jackal]

And one more question, do we typically save our cd charges to use the blue empowered cp with sectec? Or do you sometimes use SD > sectec 5-6 sec in

[karmic harbor]

!guidion

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

you want to use it as your first finisher to supercharge it

or sometimes 2nd as deathstalker

[fair phoenix]

testing hast cap plus planned exe on a 12 nexus

fells good

hopefully we got the trinket from chimerius next week lol)

[pallid jackal]

So we delay all our dances to fit in a supercharged sectec?

[cursive oar]

atrocityUI？

[swift tinsel]

outside of 2nd dance in blades, yeah

[rotund hedge]

is upgrading guidon worth over other peices?

[swift tinsel]

eh

[pallid jackal]

Okay thanks for the reply

[swift tinsel]

guidon upgrading isn't very strong

[pallid jackal]

and is this standard? Do you know @swift tinsel

[swift tinsel]

its mostly just the agi that you're getting the benefit from as the haste doesn't jump noticably

[swift tinsel]

you very much want to do this if you can

[fair phoenix]

yes

[pallid jackal]

I see

[swift tinsel]

unless you greatly delay your blades after using guidon though its quite easy to do

[pallid jackal]

I am practicing on dummies right now

[chilly kite]

is there a way in logs to see how often gaze actually stacked, vs just proccing?

[pallid jackal]

I see, it's quite easy to do

[last marten]

do you guys still go for 650-700 haste? saw alot of high key pushers going below that threshold

[astral axle]

i think some do it and high stack mastery for more aoe but it is at a heavy st cost

[last marten]

they go full crit mastery, not too sure if worth. haste still sims better for me till 700

[lilac stag]

sim angle, but a 1500+ dps upgrade is pretty good if youre going from say a champ version

most full heroic to mythic upgrades are around 700-900 dps depending on the slot

[alpine wraith]

if you do lots of huge pulls going for 200 haste then mastery+crit can be more dps

[untold elk]

i still have an hc dagger, would you craft a second dagger? (if it is possible to equip twice the very same crafted dagger)

[alpine wraith]

if you got a ye yee ass tank

that pulls 3 by 3

you will get slammed

by crafting an hc dagger

you already lost

[upbeat cradle]

Nah

Off hand weapon doesn't bring much to the table anyways

[untold elk]

okei thanks

[chilly kite]

do we have a crit minimum we need?

[alpine wraith]

more than 5 %

[sharp seal]

hi guys, RL asked to play sub on myth dragons...
do you shuriken adds (when they spawn) and evi one of the dragons? didn't play sub since Tindral

[alpine wraith]

you dont evis much on that fight

if dragons are together well and you have potent powder you use bp

unless coup is up

[chilly kite]

we have 2 rogues, and the other rogue has 27% crit i have 24% crit but he has crit trinket from skyreach and i have gaze, and he crushes it off rip, then i pass him after the first like 10-15 seconds, and we can't find whats different other than the trinkets and stat weights. our rotations are almost identical

[alpine wraith]

bro gaze is almost 2k dps ahead the skyreach trink

no shit you mog him

[distant sage]

any crafting suggestions or just wait for vault

[chilly kite]

bro i'm 40 idk wtf that means

[lilac stag]

if you’re not clearing anything the rest of the week just wait

[cloud jasper]

What do you gain by crafting something now? Probably not much.

[alpine wraith]

depends on your mythic item economy

[distant sage]

1% on big pieces

[alpine wraith]

i crafted this week because i had shit gear on those spots

[distant sage]

nonexistant ngl only myth i get are from the vault

[cloud jasper]

even more reason to wait

[distant sage]

we will maybe try myth day before reset

[graceful osprey]

hey im about too craft my third carfted piece and wondering what embelishment i should use? already used arcanoweave and hunt sigil.

[distant sage]

you can only use 2

[graceful osprey]

oh xd

thx

[vale osprey]

If you're "trying" myth e.g. first 2 + Chim you're fine at your ilvl it'd be best to just wait for vault or save the crests for if you get a myth item

[dry flame]

i used +1 sparkle

[strange harness]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange harness]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[shy scarab]

Crafted a neck as well

[fair phoenix]

!cap

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[lilac pendant]

!faq

[tulip light]

There is a hero track haste mast neck from PvP weekly quest. Just saying since a lot of ppl start crafting necks. Also you just need to do AI bgs so it’s very easy to get

[shy scarab]

Necks gives tons of stats its not a bad craft at all. Also our bis neck is from cosmos and who in the right mind would give it to a rogue😆😆😆😆😆

Probably wont even be on the boss

[ionic flint]

who would bring a rogue to cosmos

exactly

LOL

[shy scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[ionic flint]

mid to high mythic raiding is more grim than any season in TWW for rogue. atm

last week CE guilds maybe not effected

but since my guild does splits its a RIP for me

[alpine wraith]

yea we will be taking a long vacation after dragons as rogues

time to catch up on some backlog of things

[minor osprey]

my dumb ass got 3 rogues for splits and im benched cuz i olny play rogue

[ionic flint]

i used only rogues as well

cope maybe after RWF huge buff to rogue?

[minor osprey]

i hope or they just adjust bosses

[vocal torrent]

idk if adjusting the bosses will help us much

[ionic flint]

our DR is not good enoughh to be broughht atm

[minor osprey]

i've seen shindig play assa on a couple bosses it might be fine as like a designated boss dmg pick

[ionic flint]

its more along the lines SOME people in some guild are not effected but a LOT of rogues are benched this season

our MAX dmg is not as good as a medium skill hunters dmg on most fights

[alpine wraith]

assa boss dmg is a big cope going vs other specs that gap it but do other things as well

hunter can do almost 90% of boss dmg as assa

but do 2x aoe and cleave

or even 3x

that is while they cleave btw

[ionic flint]

exactly because of lunar storm

[alpine wraith]

if they went st they would gap by like 10%

even uh dk after the rebuffening

[fair phoenix]

now its time to test 200 hast build with alot crit and mastery setup

lets see how seems

[sleek socket]

we should craft wrist and waist?

[fair phoenix]

what, no, dagger and wrist or waist , ur prefference

i did dagger and wrists

[sleek socket]

kk ty

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fair phoenix]

check this

[sleek socket]

checking tnx

[sudden quarry]

Same bro. I won‘t mirror 3 rogues ever again 😂

[opal basalt]

anyone thought about playing dark brew with alleria neck?

[void ocean]

i see echo has WA to solve memory game

[reef walrus]

you already deal shadow damage fairly frequently, and the neck is only like 0.3% of your damage, so it's not worth changing too much for it

[opal basalt]

yeah was just a funny idea

didnt expect it to actually improve the neck dmg much

[dry flame]

After idk how many runs, im finally free from nexus jail @keen dome

[keen dome]

Hel yeah

[plush roost]

Crit enchants

[lilac stag]

Odd

[void ocean]

rank 2 enchants

[lilac stag]

Liquid had 2 bricked by blizzard like 30 minutes in.

[dry flame]

i play all 3 specs and swap around

crit just universal

[lilac stag]

Crit dmg is universal and better

[void ocean]

2 other specs are playable?

[dry flame]

2 other specs outperforming sub even in higher keys xD

all 3 are good tho, i like it

just have shit outlaw weap and my offhand dagger is champ track still

[lilac stag]

and your enchants are wrong

[mighty citrus]

just suck at all 3 specs, so it doesnt matter 😄

[dry flame]

why?

[lilac stag]

Eyes of the eagle is better for all three

[dry flame]

both are that

they just show as "crit"

on the addon

[lilac stag]

your addon be shit then lol

crit is crit

[dry flame]

what are you using instead of BetterCharacterPanel?

[fallow geyser]

EQOL has good panel

[rain kernel]

is there a specific plater profile ppl are using for rogues or...just take anything in general or available?

[void ocean]

but how do that make these

shouldnt stuff be hidden, private or w/e

[lilac stag]

the people that made WAs for all three guilds are smarter than blizzard

[severe void]

When do i pop puzzlebox?

[short aurora]

And more

[lilac stag]

and they’re using parts of the game that aren’t black boxed and apparently break the game if they are black boxed.

[severe void]

before the pull and then just vanish shadowstrike or after i shadowstrike in?

[lilac stag]

gg bliz

[short aurora]

Lmao

[lilac stag]

Stoke. Box. Go

I’m expecting releo to add something to northern sky

[void ocean]

so should like every guild employ WA magicians or...

cant they do anything correct ffs

[vocal torrent]

realistically you will never fight this version of the end boss

[lilac stag]

Welcome to 12.0. Everyone knew this would happen

[vocal torrent]

which is no different then how old tiers have gone

[lilac stag]

anyone that didn’t was delulu or had head in sand

[void ocean]

what do u mean, the mechanic is gonna be the same

[vocal torrent]

lol

no they wont

[lilac stag]

Now they’ll just paywall the addon vs having the WA pack out.

[void ocean]

sure scaling will shift to our favour

[vocal torrent]

this happens with every end boss

nah they have and do remove things from the fight and turn other mechanics into nonfactors

[dry flame]

couldn't find anything in the settings about it

[plush roost]

Theyll nerf the time shown by 2 seconds and will show all 5 symbols

Guaranteed

[void ocean]

like they can rmeove from 5 things to memorize to like 3

[vocal torrent]

the fight today is not the fight you will be progging on

[lilac stag]

No way a 1 sec cast x5 is going to last

[void ocean]

well yea since im not proging 😄

but how much did Dimmy differ? we got 2 gravities from 3

[vocal torrent]

I should say 99.995% of the population will not fight the same version of the boss

[void ocean]

were there more differencies

[plush roost]

Idk if u know but mythic shows then dynamicly, players only see 3/5 symbols so they want people to communicate what they see

[vocal torrent]

Dimmy kinda also got hard nerfed by the ilvl squish

[plush roost]

Thats probably not sticking around

[lilac stag]

The three phase is nutty

[void ocean]

i meant during season

[plush roost]

Most obvious solved by WA shit evwr

[vagrant fulcrum]

Honestly id say this is the biggest argument against rwf, the whole reason they don’t give them a separate tournament realm is so we feel like we’re all playing the same game, all in the same race - realistically though we just dont fight the same bosses and if we did we’d be so undergeared compared to them id not be surprised if it’s impossible

• some unnerfed fights are just not fun to prog outside of a team of professional gamers

[lilac stag]

i beat the casters. my life is complete

[vocal torrent]

I dont know if it needs to be an argument against rwf, they can do their thing, its cool to watch the game pushed to the limits

[void ocean]

i mean for most of the cases they just dont know how bosses will look like in reality before rwf, so rwf is kinda the first major testing

[vocal torrent]

personally I dont care if they are on a tournament realm or not

[vagrant fulcrum]

The whole splits aspect of it kills any hype for me

[gilded ferry]

its really hard to parse in pugs

[vocal torrent]

splits are pretty boring ye

[vagrant fulcrum]

Plus I really dislike the whole different starting time thing

[lilac stag]

the scary thing is just how high their ilvl is with splits

[vagrant fulcrum]

A tournament realm would be a much cleaner solution, and would let them make extremely hard bosses just for them

Instead of this panic buffing paladins business

[lilac stag]

nomrally that was an "auto nerf" as we all got mythic geared

[vocal torrent]

they would still start at different times and the first day has never really been relevent unless the raid is cleared in a week

[sleek socket]

fast way to farm a chance for catalyst? (after 4 set ofc)

[vocal torrent]

unless youre flying in all the guilds to a single location

[lilac stag]

idk, you'd kill the large communities making money off the rwf.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Kill raidbosses, arena is fast too

[vocal torrent]

I have 7 catalyst charges rn lol

[lilac stag]

the community aspect is still important to bliz

[sleek socket]

worth to do raidfinder?

[vagrant fulcrum]

True, it’s a tricky one, no easy best solution exists

[gilded ferry]

yeah, got 2 catalyst charges in lfr

[sleek socket]

kk tnx

[gilded ferry]

havent dropped another one since, but still, its droppable there too

[vagrant fulcrum]

As far as I’m concerned I just get annoyed when rwf do shit and suddenly all melee are benched

[lilac stag]

no one gives a shit about m+ so tournament is fine

that's a tuning issue though

and a fight design issue

[vagrant fulcrum]

Ye

It’s not rwf fault

[lilac stag]

nothing to do with location of rwf

[vagrant fulcrum]

I still get annoyed tho xd

[lilac stag]

ofcourse

[vagrant fulcrum]

They publicise the meta more than others can

[lilac stag]

if anything rogue being meme maybe helps us

[gilded ferry]

I think that one thing that contributes to the issue is, we had such an accelerated rythm of RWF (more splits, more farms, more WAs) that when blizzard tried to slow things down, this happened. blizzard tried to make them walk when they were sprinting

[lilac stag]

if it follows previous raid buff issues

[sleek socket]

and we use the first dance, finality and potent poweder for m+ right? (like 9-11 mythic)

[fleet acorn]

I don’t get m+ loot only cata charges 7/8 lol

[sleek socket]

holy shit ^

[vagrant fulcrum]

I think there’s a lesson here: no more mythic splits

[fleet acorn]

Wtt Cata charges for loot

[graceful terrace]

is there a custom API for guidon trink?

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

custom what for the trinket?

[vagrant fulcrum]

There’s lines exclusive to its use I think, yeah

[lilac stag]

in the sims it's set for the delay

[vagrant fulcrum]

Since how you play blades and dances within is different

[gilded ferry]

They just tried something from the past and it did not work that well, it happens. We used to have these kinds of stuff, more than one raid in a tier

[graceful terrace]

question guys. I run into moments during raid bosses where my blades come up the second time after pull, and I dont have a second dance in blades. At how many seconds of a charge coming off CD is it ok to hit blades

[lilac stag]

It’s typically a ~10 second window of holding one or the other

[graceful terrace]

so its ok to send blades at 10 seconds of my second dance coming off CD?

[lilac stag]

you either hold dance or you hold blades

[graceful terrace]

also without the trinket I dont have to delay 2nd dance correct?

[lilac stag]

I’d imagine not, since it typically 1 Sectech unless lust.

[graceful terrace]

ive also noticed that there are times where my CD on dance is just behind sec tech... do I stop using finishers just as if sec tech is almost off CD? And when it says stop using finishers, what do I do in the time it takes for sec tech to come off CD? do I backstab or just pool energy for an instant sec tech?

[lilac stag]

Sectech is based off haste

your timings without guidon will be different

pool sht stacks usually

don’t lose dance or Sectech casts is the big issue for most.

[graceful terrace]

so i literally just auto attack until that sectech/dance comes off CD at like 3-4 seconds left yea?

thats how ive been playing it

but its worded not to use "finishers"

so I didnt know if I just backstab or if I pool energy for 30

since sectech takes 30 to cast

[lilac stag]

get full cp. store sht

[vagrant fulcrum]

I like multi raid tiers personally, but I think blizz is now really learning how sweaty people are willing to get

That and they made the game generally too easy

[lilac stag]

it’s hilarious we have seen the same player vantus two bosses

[vocal venture]

https://youtu.be/7keX0N78aEc?t=384 how does homie in this clip have his backstab/shadowstep macrod to the same button (where also the image changes depending on whats available)

[tepid trellis]

just a regular stance macro

on stab and s trike

[vocal venture]

how does one integrate that

am a new player bear with me 🙂

[swift tinsel]

can just have them on the same bind on your regular and stealth bar

[tepid trellis]

both of those option come with a downside tho and that is what we call "stance delay" where it takes the game a bit to update your stance

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tepid trellis]

ah its not in here anymore

unfort

[vocal venture]

would it be this?

#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab

taken from wowhead

[tepid trellis]

#showtooltip
/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab

[vocal venture]

will give that a try thank you

[tepid trellis]

its not optimal but if it helps with the mental load of having "less" buttons its a win

[vocal venture]

is there a delay for inputs?

ive just had ss and bs on different binds atm

thought itd be more optimal unless im losing time

[stuck lance]

dont macro your guidon to ur shadowblades

[tepid trellis]

@vocal venture

so sometimes it can fire a backstab in dance instead of strike

thats the downside

[vocal venture]

just completely randomly or smth?

[tepid trellis]

just how the game is

old af

[vocal venture]

odd but is what it is

[tepid trellis]

so having them on seperate binds is the best way of really doing it

[vocal venture]

okay will do then thats what i was rocking before just thought it may be more optimal but nvm then

thanks anyway

[spare crypt]

anyone simming ~500 dps less than yday?

[hazy breach]

Yep

[spare crypt]

couldnt find any notes on sim changes

[hazy breach]

[Subtlety] Add ICD for AA procs of Shadow Techniques

[astral axle]

you lose muscular mass more easily as you get older

oh

that too

[hazy breach]

We are attacking so fast that we sometime run into the 0.45s ICD of Shadow Techniques

And the sim didnt have that

[spare crypt]

thx Eleem

[lean bone]

guys

i parsed 3 on chimerus

i shat so hard

[hazy breach]

How dumb is it that we sometimes attack 4 times in under 0.45 seconds btw

[lean bone]

and i kinda don't know what i did so extremely wrong

[spare crypt]

the repair bills are killing us in this economy

daggers made of cheese

[lean bone]

could someone with a big brain take look at my log?

[void ocean]

bro u came to the wrong channel for that 😄

we r sub rogue mains, not sure how big brain that is

[wet atlas]

hey quick question about sub rogue in m+:
does it make sense to drop the first dance and take something else instead when the tank is just chain pulling all the time
feels like i barely get value out of it since i have to re-enter stealth and wait a bit between pulls and in random groups that’s kinda scuffed
anyone else feel the same or changed their build because of that?

[void ocean]

just vanish from time to time

and tell ur tank to fck off

[lean bone]

i'm pretty sure that being pre-midnight sub-rogue main required iq higher than room temp

[void ocean]

tho even with vanish into TFD it brings enough value comparing to competing talents... at least thats how it was, not sure for Midnight specifically

[rancid coral]

Dont do that

[void ocean]

they are tanks, they can take it

[tepid trellis]

u know what sucks the most having to constantly repair daggers

every 2 dungeons

[hazy breach]

Ye

And if you die like once or twice a dungeon

[short aurora]

@teal coral can you answer that

[hazy breach]

You risk having red daggers by the last boss

[short aurora]

[lean bone]

the worst thing is that half of the dungeons don't have spaces where you can mount up

[void ocean]

get repair bot

[short aurora]

gold sink wow always wanted

[lean bone]

ye, i learn from my mistakes and now i have 300 auto-hammers in my backpack

[indigo wraith]

IS fireland [Prestor's Talisman of Machination] Neck with the haste Proc is good ?

[keen dome]

I am free from ring prison

[fallow glade]

the very first run after i finished my ring farm, we had both the rings drop and no one needed them

[keen dome]

lmao, naturally

[granite hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stone vessel]

anyone on eu playing? "world server is down"

[crisp fossil]

yo guys , what do u think about our AOE nerf oO? black powder , nimble flurry ? what was the goal?

[dry flame]

we escaped same prison within a few hours

[keen dome]

Yeeee

[dry flame]

my man

[keen dome]

Still got 99 haste I can lose somewhere, too

[vale pine]

i noticed that too

you have to constantly repair

its super annoying

[plush olive]

It's a meme in my raid now that my daggers are broken cus it happened twice in prog

[dry flame]

yeahhh, have been droppiong repair bots mid bosses in m+

I know prot warrs struggle with that a lot too

[vale pine]

if you can't proc it, its not worth running

but most dungeons, you can re-stealth fairly well

some even force it

e.g. in nexus point

or terrace

pit also has enough downtime

so you should, most of the time, get enough value from it

however, if you feel like you never get the benefits

drop it for something else

[plush olive]

Feel like skyreach is probably worst case

Aside from wind tunnel it's all back to back chaining

[vale pine]

it probably depends on the pulls too

you get at least 3-4 free uses

in skyreach

[rapid burrow]

is there a way to track the frist dance other than staring at my buff bar? >.<

[vale pine]

before first boss spawns

after 2nd boss

then wind tunnel after 3rd boss

so, lets say 3 almost guaranteed

after first boss before next pull is also long enough typically

[plush olive]

Im assuming you lose a chunk of value if you cant SB with first dance too

[vale pine]

(if not, can wait the 1 sec in stealth)

[keen dome]

Very confused by the single stat gems this expansion. Dual stat is 16 + 7. And single stat is.. 17. lol

[vale pine]

scaling issue

^^

[keen dome]

Haha

[vale pine]

i actually wonder

[spare totem]

how would i sim what are the best trinkets for aoe?

trying to setup 2 different loadouts one for raid one for m+

[vale pine]

if you want to sim aoe, multi target patchwerk

you will likely get puzzle box as a top result

[spare totem]

5 targets?

number of bosses 5*

[vale pine]

whatever you want to sim

i turned in on the rwf streams

and people use negative colors on raid frames/unit frames is something i can't get used to

(black for full color, white for lost health)

[chilly kite]

idk how blizz expected them to do this fight without weak auras lol

still trying to figure out why echo's wa guys havnt made a 2nd mark wa that orders the marks counter clockwise yet, because thats where they keep messing up

[vale pine]

its stupid

that we now need custom addons

[native crag]

If im running puzzle box for m+ do I just use it every other shadowblades or hold SB for my 2 minute trinket cd? :/ wish bliz would just make them align

[chilly kite]

there is litteraly no chance of any non rwf guild to even try and compete with zero weak auras, and not having a 50 guys working in the background to create new addons for each fight

[spare totem]

or get rid of on use trinkets. imo lol

[fallow glade]

vibe it up often i might hold sb anyway because i dont want to send on the last 20% of a pack

[chilly kite]

one reason bc was peak wow, because anybody could have got WF and there was actually a reason to compete for it. no splits, no huge advantage by throwing money at developers

[native crag]

🙁 but it makes big numbers so brain goes brrrrrr. I do hate it though

[spare totem]

I should rephrase that get rid of on use trinkets that have a cast time

that part is appauling to me.

[chilly kite]

keep it how it is make it a 1.30 cd instead of 2 min lol

[spare totem]

idk im still hard against cast time onuse trinkets. make melee to me feel odd

[chilly kite]

i got a mythic one in vault and had to take it, just in case assa catches buff's and it still slaps in M+

L'ura interrupt phase is a Belf tauren angle fight if racials work on interrupts lol

[lilac stag]

you do realize belf racial hasn’t been useful for multiple expansions. you’re living in tbc mate.

[chilly kite]

its an aoe purge, if dispels and interrupts work, it would work on the interrupts

[lilac stag]

it just does the dispel. Won’t touch the interrupt

[chilly kite]

if mass dispel works purge works

[void ocean]

so far blizz seems fine with this memory solving WA

its still not bricked 😄

[chilly kite]

what was so much different for liquids that they bricked it?

[swift tinsel]

they were made aware of how it works

[lilac stag]

“You can use it if you release it”

or some shit

[chilly kite]

so is echo's released then,

[void ocean]

soo all those "auto solving position shit" gone is just bs

[swift tinsel]

does it auto-solve it or do they at least have to type out which symbols appear

for the addon to read it

I'm unaware of how it works exactly

[void ocean]

no idea

[chilly kite]

i see no difference really between this one and liquids from last night that i watched, except the colors they used

[lilac stag]

I don’t think anyone will know until it’s a kill

[void ocean]

and from fractilus shit xD

[lilac stag]

Liquid had a different one they blocked

The non-color is the backup

[swift tinsel]

doesn't echo's use color?

[chilly kite]

watch perfecto's stream, it solves the entire thing for them

[lilac stag]

Educated guess, the 1st liquid auto worked. Second needs a keypress

[swift tinsel]

ye I would assume the keypress would be allowed bc it still requires some mechanical action on players' parts

and that kind of thing would be very useful in a non-comms pug or differently-abled guild

[void ocean]

ye but it kinda removes memory from memory game

[swift tinsel]

not really bc you still need to execute

[lilac stag]

That’s me. I’m differently-abled.

perfecto is boring af to watch

[chilly kite]

uber maiden was the bane of my existance, so thats me too

[void ocean]

i mean on fractilus u still had to walk to the position u were assigned, not like WA teleported u there

[swift tinsel]

its not really that different from just writing a symbol on a post-it next to you

which is what I did when we fought it

[chilly kite]

it shows them the symbol and where to stand tho, thats more than a post it note

[swift tinsel]

not really

[modest river]

was about to type this and gave up

[void ocean]

literally a fractilus wa

[lilac stag]

the communicating across 3 “realms” is the key

[swift tinsel]

yea

[lilac stag]

since you can’t see each other

[modest river]

Fractilus made people shut their brains rather than use it and follow WA to such a degree for walls that i could compare it to what AI is doing to todays workforce

[chilly kite]

thats the mythic dif and they just ignore it with a wa/addon

[swift tinsel]

and with this you still have to communicate the symbols

so you don't just shut your brain off

[lilac stag]

what do you think we’re discussing?

[swift tinsel]

its quite different than fractillus

[lilac stag]

fractalus you could have one person just stand and watch and be done with it.

[swift tinsel]

^

[lilac stag]

Which you literally did when the WA breaking patch hit

[chilly kite]

there is nothing to comunicate symbol wise with that wa that pops up, the way they designed it was you couldn't see half the symbols, so you had to say what you had over voice and get in the right order within 10 seconds thats probably why its not instant and there is a delay

[lilac stag]

you’re stating what we’re talking about.

[chilly kite]

i'm old i type slow

[lilac stag]

anyways. None of this is a surprise.

sneak.lua for the world to see

[swift tinsel]

plus you already know where you're going to go when you know what the order is, map or not

as long as you know which direction it rotates

[lilac stag]

the interrupt addon is arguably more important

[swift tinsel]

yeah that was the one that was bricked iirc

initially at least

[lilac stag]

Memory they could have someone literally watch each screen and calling it out if needed

[swift tinsel]

right or have an officer /yell the order when its known

[lilac stag]

15 1 sec interrupts with 16 in a raid. Good luck

[swift tinsel]

or /rw

[chilly kite]

interrupts/dispels

perfecto re enchanting for all speed enchants goes hard

[vale pine]

i got haste on my tier shoulders

https://giphy.com/gifs/sonic-the-hedgehog-PJiqz1RHkdtGE

[spare totem]

For Simming for raid am I simming hectic add cleave, cleave add or patchwerk x bosses?

[lilac stag]

just ST

[spare totem]

roger thank you!

[lilac stag]

Any cleave we do is inconsequential. Gear won’t change.

make talent adjustments for 2(?) bosses

[vale osprey]

You mean speed?

[vale pine]

oh ye, speed

brainfart

[vale osprey]

Was gonna say think our shoulders always have haste 😎

[lilac stag]

Fuu got special ones

[vale osprey]

Double haste

[vale pine]

[manic ice]

guides say Hunt embelishment is best, why is double arcanoweave not better considering most of the bosses we are fighting give us either haste or vers proc on hunt embelishment?

[sleek socket]

if i have 25%crit, 16%haste, 70%mas, its better to use haste flask and not mas flask?

but i do have guidon

[manic ice]

since more haste past our ~700 is considered not as useful

[sleek socket]

16% is 540

[spare bobcat]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Most are not haste though

[manic ice]

swear when i checke my logs most were, ill double check

[hazy breach]

But it just gives more stats overall than arcanoweave does too

And offhand is a piss slot anyway so losing ilvl is fine

[manic ice]

i guess im talking more pre bis, like odds are ill end up crafting a 3rd slot at some point

[oblique stream]

Can someone give me an example of a basic boss opener

[latent finch]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[chilly kite]

what stat does hunt give for bird boss

[fleet sluice]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[chilly kite]

ty

[vale pine]

beloren is elemental

[chilly kite]

interesting perfecto running double acuity enchant

[fleet sluice]

Is there a macro that works for having backstab and shadowstrike on the same button? I'm basically trying to avoid bar swapping via bartender allowing me to have a static bar for stealth and non stealth

[vale pine]

yes

but

if you press it to fast, it will backstab first gcd in dance

[manic ice]

4 haste
4 mast
1 vers
with last 2 bosses being haste/vers

my sim tells me double arcano is an upgrade, just figured it was becuase haste/vers procs arent as useful as the Agi proc

[vale pine]

/cast [bonusbar:1] Shadowstrike; Backstab```

[chilly kite]

feel like i keep nukeing my overall damage during blades and dance windows by hitting keys to fast.

[gilded garden]

you guys going assa on chim myth for more boss dps?

[vale pine]

sub does similar boss damage

its just most people pad on sub

so statistics look slightly lower

[gilded garden]

why do warcraftlogs statistics look so insane for boss dmg on assa tho

[vale pine]

because they don't pad

[short aurora]

[gilded garden]

ah haha

fair enough

[short aurora]

My guidewriter

[gilded garden]

thats why hes the goat - the goat

[pallid jackal]

Fuu is it true we want to delay our dances to always have sectec in with supercharged combo points outside of opener? If I can ask a question, trying to improve my knowledge

Sometimes there is ~4sec left - we delay?

[vale pine]

you want to delay if secret has low cooldown and you can guarantee to use it in 2nd dance

which is typically only with 4p and guidon

[pallid jackal]

yea I am meaning outside of opener

[vale pine]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[pallid jackal]

Yes I use this

[vale pine]

you essentially do this every major cooldown cycle

[charred horizon]

yo can i flex for a sec. man im proud of this.

[pallid jackal]

But say outside of opener and SB, SD is up but ~4-5 sec left on sectec cd, do we wait with using SD to use sectec in that? Is that like an official / known thing that improves dps?

[vale pine]

nicu

[gilded garden]

" it is advised not to use Shadow Dance when Shadow Blades has less than 10 second remaining to ensure two casts when it's ready." is this comment from the guide still valid with guidon and 4p?

[vale pine]

its fine to use your 2nd dance when blades has 8 sec left

secret does not need to be ready by that

it likely is ready during dance

[pallid jackal]

Yes but I am meaning outside of the SB

to ensure it is with a supercharged cb essentially

[vale pine]

you only use dance with secret outside of blades

[pallid jackal]

okay so never not do that? always delay to use with supercharged combo points?

[vale pine]

you will use it with supercharger w/e

becuase you just

use your dance + secret macro

when secret is ready

[pallid jackal]

you get the thing here? I essentially would like to know if it is good to wait to ensure with blue combo points or to use it after shadow dance has already run for 3,4 seconds

[vale pine]

(assuming we talk trickster)

[pallid jackal]

Yes trickster

[short aurora]

you dont hold dance finishers

what

[vale pine]

shadow dance gives 2 blue combo points

[pallid jackal]

Okay thank you! You're a legend

[short aurora]

just dance when secret tech is up

[vale pine]

so dance + secret macro will always give secret a blue combo point

i am confused

[short aurora]

yes

same

[pallid jackal]

yes so sometimes it is not up yet and we then want to wait until SD is up so we can get supercharged cp to use sectec

[vale pine]

you want to wait to be able to line up both

[thin sinew]

personally i think overthinking the supercharged combo points is happening

[vale pine]

unless there is a good reason to use it earlier

like you needing to pad on adds

[pallid jackal]

I have the macro but I also have them independently

[short aurora]

just treat dance and secret as one cd outside of sb

[vale pine]

but in general, you would just use secret with dance if both is ready

[gilded garden]

@vale pine do you have a warcraftlogs page?

[fleet sluice]

Is it advisable to use a macro that pops shadow blades, shadow dance and sec tech or does that end up in an unbuffed (unbuffed by shadow blades) sec tech? I am a bit confused why people are using Guidon + shadow blades and then a separate macro for shadow dance + sec tech.

[pallid jackal]

and sometimes shadow dance is up, but sectec isn't. If you use shadow dance you'd still be able to fit sectec in there (in this situation), but do you then wait to use sectec (the sectec macro) with supercharged combo points?

[hazy breach]

You can have blades+dance+sectech thats fine

[pallid jackal]

That was essentially the question

[vale pine]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/

[hazy breach]

You just cant have guidon (or any haste on-use) in there

[lilac stag]

The trinket has up to 1 sec delay. So you can’t combine them

[short aurora]

[gilded garden]

...

[fleet sluice]

I am aware, thank you.

[pallid jackal]

I see, but do you see the situation that I am sketching?

[vale pine]

if dance is up

[short aurora]

no

[vale pine]

but secret isn't

you wait till secret is up

[pallid jackal]

SD up but sectec isn't is essentially the situation

[lilac stag]

!8ball will today be a priest -> shaman day?

[hazy breach]

You lose literally nothing by holding dance, because you have 2 charges

[vale pine]

^

[pallid jackal]

so then always wait for the supercharged sectec?

[vale pine]

unless the boss dies before you can use it

[thin sinew]

Cooking main day

[vale pine]

then send

[hazy breach]

You always want to use sectech during dance yes

And since you lose nothing by delaying dance

You might aswell always supercharge

[pallid jackal]

yes during I am aware of and I am doing ofc, but I think you get it Eleem and fuu maybe as well