subtlety

[swift tinsel]

as an embellishment

[pulsar cape]

yeah i was watching the wowhead guide

recomend a belt or bracer with that

[grand galleon]

can I simply bind guidon to SB ? I have separate SB and SD+ST macro so it should be fine ye?

[spiral steeple]

Are trinkets not off the GCD?

I swear they used to be

[pulsar cape]

did some lucky bastard got the haste trinket from Firelands? xd

[swift tinsel]

you end up waiting a second after using guidon to ensure dance snapshots the extension

bc funny tech stuff on blizz's end

[spiral steeple]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[spiral steeple]

No way there's a command for everything

I wasn't even sure what guidon was lol

[warped zodiac]

do we run double rendorei enchants on weapons or 1 rendorei 1 mastery

[shrewd lantern]

any myth dagger

[hazy breach]

Either

Doesnt mattert

[south kernel]

@hazy breach do u know how much damage u lose if u ignore supercharging the 2nd sectech in blades? just so u can more consistently snap the 2nd dance on guidon

so u just use the 2nd dance at like 8 secs left on blades

hachadino said its like a 0.1% loss so i wanna ask someone smarter than me

[swift tinsel]

shade successfully thrown

[south kernel]

OK BUT LIKE

[swift tinsel]

lmao nice edit save

[south kernel]

i realised too late

[swift tinsel]

hahahahaa

[south kernel]

mf stop

dont

XDD

[swift tinsel]

[south kernel]

i realised after i wrote it how it sounded

[shrewd lantern]

The wowhead still says to send with 2 seconds on ST left

so idk which is right

[south kernel]

yea i know

im just curious about the % gap between both

[hollow spear]

Hacha catching strays

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[hazy breach]

Very little, which is why i updated this one

[swift tinsel]

I was doing that subconsciously bc I was noticing I was more likely to supercharge coup that way too

nice lil bonus

[shrewd lantern]

so which is technically better?

[swift tinsel]

before I had guidon

[shrewd lantern]

guidon a casual 3k upgrade

on sim for me

at mythic

[hollow spear]

The version which supercharges sectec is better I think

Not much though

[swift tinsel]

I had hero in vault and took it over myth gloves that would have been a huge ilvl upgrade

[lyric patrol]

Guilds using rogues for Beloren were so back

[swift tinsel]

next week's vault surely

[shrewd lantern]

[swift tinsel]

we won't see myth first boss for another week or two at least

once we do its vault gamba on that too

[shrewd lantern]

I'd rather pull alnseer from vault

since way more people want it

compared to guidon is me and dk

[swift tinsel]

ye that's the only way I'll get it

but idk if we're planning to do mythic dream

I would think so bc of the trinket but I don't make those calls

[shrewd lantern]

i was surprised the hof was still open

on monday

[swift tinsel]

gonna pug either way

[hazy breach]

Theres very very little difference between normal/hc/myth guidon

As the haste is mostly wasted

Its just agi

[swift tinsel]

ye when I simmed the diff between hero and myth it was small

[shrewd lantern]

yeah but big difference no guidon

[hollow spear]

Yeah you just need to get over the hump basically

[shrewd lantern]

and guidon

[swift tinsel]

it'll be a late-season pickup if anything

more concerned with snagging high stat myth slots

[hazy breach]

I full sent myth crests into mine and got like 0.7% from 4 upgrades

[swift tinsel]

oof

[lyric patrol]

Looks good at 289 tho

[swift tinsel]

I have yet to spend myth crests after dagger craft

hero tho I'm reachin lol

[shrewd lantern]

i have like 110 gilded

can make boots

[swift tinsel]

got I think 1 3/6 hero, tons of 1/6

[shrewd lantern]

yeah it feels bad to have the 1/6

[swift tinsel]

got a bifurcation band early and maxed it bc it replaced a vet track lol

[hollow spear]

Back to the grind, boy

10s are calling

[swift tinsel]

nah only toon I'd grind m+ on is voidman

rogue will be 8 10's for vault lol

maybe 4

and roll the dice

[warm marlin]

mr eleem is there a way to set the proc type of sigil hunt

[swift tinsel]

idk I'm not loving rogue in keys atm

[warm marlin]

having it perma on haste when at cap seems bad

[swift tinsel]

so I don't wanna like it less by grinding them a ton lol

[hazy breach]

Probably ye

If you go to the expansion specific page on the simc page you can probably find it

[warm marlin]

humans give mastery so its goated for paladins with PP

[hazy breach]

Its linked near the crucible options on raidbots

Idk what even gives haste

I know lura is vers

[warm marlin]

oh its literally the first option

[stuck arrow]

NElf

[warm marlin]

er entry on simc there

[stuck arrow]

Half the time gives haste

[warm marlin]

my goat wowhead commenter

seems inconsistent with lura giving vers tho

[bleak night]

lura is a critter confirmed

[woeful wren]

@hazy breach is voidsong undersimming due to it wanting us giga low haste?

[hazy breach]

Undefined is vers too

Commenter just didnt mention it

[shrewd lantern]

i had that in my vault but it lost to xenas yset

apparently

[astral axle]

Lura is a critter let's be real

[patent hinge]

alright so I am finally trying this after being assassin all last season and holy cow I can't hold all this energy I love it here

[hazy breach]

Its not undersimming

You just need to fix your haste

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna have a pure shit ass vault next week though after having a great one this week

[wicked fox]

what are the stat caps? like how much mastery should I get before the stat fades down? (idk it's understandable I have a bad english sorry)

[livid gorge]

Second this

[hazy breach]

700 haste is the only cap (and its insanely rare for a spec to even have that)

[livid gorge]

so no more hast after 700?

[hazy breach]

Most specs just get their stats

But sub is fucked now in midnight and you want 700 haste, not much less and not more

[hollow spear]

I'm at the age old problem of choosing a vault that optimizes the here and now and a vault that's better long term

[wicked fox]

ok, cuz I have 700 mastery, should I buy more mastery with gems or crit?

[hazy breach]

?

[livid gorge]

My sims just tell me to stack more and more haste its crazy

[swift tinsel]

do you mean 700 haste

[astral axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[wicked fox]

no I mean mastery

[hazy breach]

Get 700 haste

[swift tinsel]

you want 700 haste

[hazy breach]

Then whatever

[small crag]

@half dome

[graceful rock]

Remember oils give you some haste too

[wicked fox]

it doesn't change anything expect for haste it's what you tryna mean? like not even a little bit?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah boots a 1% gain for me

[swift tinsel]

the only gearing you really care about is hitting 700 haste

[astral axle]

the haste gives us an extra gcd in dance

[shrewd lantern]

yuge 80 crest flush

[swift tinsel]

then whatever mastery or crit you get along with that

ideally mastery

[gilded ferry]

is guidon desyncing for anyone else?

[hazy breach]

Affix

[swift tinsel]

emissary my not-beloved

jk the cdr is nice

[warm marlin]

puzzlebox users rise up

2min spec online

[hollow spear]

Puzzle box for the sync

[night sparrow]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[astral axle]

i drank my first monster energy drink today why do they taste like sweettarts how do people enjoy this

[maiden hamlet]

I've been using puzzle box over guidon this week cuz of this, tho guidon is champ and puzzlebox is 276 hero

[hollow spear]

@warm marlin your dance storm strike evis strike sectec sequence works well btw

[gilded ferry]

do we delay because of it?

[warm marlin]

ye its decently consistent

[swift tinsel]

you just kinda strap in for the ride

[warm marlin]

get sad when you have 7cp going into that dance since then you're striking twice at max icky

[swift tinsel]

we all acknowledge they don't actually taste good

[warm marlin]

sometimes hold gcd a little when you time badly

[stuck arrow]

DS tech?

[warm marlin]

no guidon shenangians

[hollow spear]

I usually don't send a gcd before guidon expires to time it better

That one backstab ain't saving the world

[warm marlin]

yeah i wait for the buff to basically expire

[south kernel]

thanks brother i appreciate it

[stuck arrow]

Big dam optimization?

[warm marlin]

you do benefit from haste clock on the reverse end too so you can technically wait a little while after it expires

idk in theory you won't usually lose a blades gcd

[hollow spear]

True actually

The problem is still consistency

Since I don't know if it's 0.6 or 0.9 or whatever

So I can't count on it being a second extra

So sending as it expires is safe

[true palm]

any good ?

[livid gorge]

So when do you take the 5% magic dmg or the 2 point into finality?

is there one you always take?

[arctic scroll]

is there any option on raidbots to sim for the best craft you can make atm ?

[stuck arrow]

In pins

[livid gorge]

in pins?

[keen dome]

Watching a Demo warlock spike to 400k+ on second boss Nexus Point has me going

[livid gorge]

ah gotcha ty very much

[gilded ferry]

droptimizer

[swift tinsel]

ngl I turned off details lol

[arctic scroll]

you made my day homie

[swift tinsel]

and just use logs for raid

[keen dome]

I gave him a run for his money but uh, jesus

We hit the burn phase, they poped hero and then the boss just.. died

it was a "uh.. what happened" moment

[swift tinsel]

we have a demo one-trick and ran a MC with him and he legit just destroyed the literal shit out of everything

[keen dome]

Legit one of the best warlocks I've ever had the pleasure to play with in a key

[swift tinsel]

that's when I decided I didn't wanna see how much damage I wasn't doing lol

[stuck arrow]

Using stab / storm to break premed & full guidon gcd?

[swift tinsel]

he's easily one of the best people I've ever played with ever

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[swift tinsel]

he can multiclass very well also, and his mechanics are rock-solid

[keen dome]

I love it when you do a key and someone is just on such a higher level

[swift tinsel]

ye he could do very very well in a high WR guild if he wanted to

he's also super chill and the least sweaty to play with

which is awesome bc he could have so much ego if he wanted to

[keen dome]

Haha

Hell yeah

[swift tinsel]

he mostly just runs keys and hangs out with his gf farming transmogs and mounts lmao

[keen dome]

we're winning though

[swift tinsel]

HUGE

[acoustic ginkgo]

how can i make my combo bar fade a little like on imexile stream when we need to shadowstrike for !aa opti

on full combo

[stuck arrow]

Can probably set up a threshold condition on number of ShT stacks.

Easier to just count ShT as a second CP bar, gets you same information. More actually.

[celest ice]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[weak vector]

rogues are bad

[spice thistle]

chat hero gaze or myth hands vault

simming the same

[dry plank]

Then take trinket, hands can drop multiple time

[keen dome]

Trinket, probably. It's so contested.

[flat sun]

Guys haste - crit wich one is prio for m+ for u ?

Mastery - crit or mastery - haste ?

[hazy breach]

Either you get 700 haste or you get effectively no haste for m+

[frosty bramble]

I don’t change gear for m+ stick the 18% haste and dump everything else into mast/crit

[pure jay]

hmm

[pure yacht]

What other specs have Guidon as bis?

Anyone know?

UDK?

[swift tinsel]

UHDK afaik

[pure jay]

yea

[west tide]

i have 694 is it over

[hazy breach]

Yeah time to delete rogue

[left ledge]

Blug posted that lfr details

[shrewd lantern]

oil up

[west tide]

with oils bro

[fossil forge]

No diddy

[weak vector]

heroic raid lol

[left ledge]

Nobody topping60k in heroic holy

wtf

[weak vector]

yeah its p bad

[west tide]

its either 694 with heroic neck on or 712 with beta normal neck

[weak vector]

but this overall damage.

not session

[west tide]

i feel like im stuck with this jewelry forever

until alleria

[weak vector]

people pulling 75-80k per boss

youre not reading the chart correctly

[left ledge]

That’s still kinda low ngl

But yeah glad you’re enjoying it

[weak vector]

maybe one day i'll be MLG pro gamer uwu~

[left ledge]

It’s kind of fun if you turn off damage meters

All good I will be doing that tonight

[warm marlin]

no just the snapshot stuff from before, seems like that specific sequence happens commonly

[left ledge]

I’m on paladins for some reason

[weak vector]

hell yeah brother parse 100

[left ledge]

I haven’t cared about parsing

In a very long time

Probably since early DF

[weak vector]

parsing is my LIFE, I don't exit wow unless i sleep, which is maybe 1 hour a day max

[fossil forge]

Parse is life

[swift tinsel]

I did in TWW but I could not care less about parsing now

[left ledge]

I enter the raid to exit as soon as possible

[warm marlin]

we will both be applying our little debuff brother

[left ledge]

That’s my only goal

[swift tinsel]

this to my core

[left ledge]

Fuck that fight man

[shrewd lantern]

oh i checked roster

[fossil forge]

U can parse 100 and a guy with 24 log takes ur bis

[left ledge]

It is so boring

[shrewd lantern]

somehow im in

so idk

[fossil forge]

th,, Classic

[left ledge]

Like we legit can’t cleave

HOW

[warm marlin]

idk its just livelord bonanza

atrophic good

[left ledge]

WE WERE THE BEST AT CLEAVING ONCE

[pure jay]

on paladins don't we just spam storm/powder? lolol

[left ledge]

No

You strike powder

[fossil forge]

Bp go brrr on paladins

[left ledge]

HAHAHAHAHA

[shrewd lantern]

we're just cuckchair pov

[warm marlin]

pretty sure im gonna take negative damage pressing feint every 15s

[shrewd lantern]

pretending we do something besides atro

yes

[left ledge]

Yeah my guild told me

I’m only there to apply poisons

[fossil forge]

Yes we do? We bring yellow color

hello

[warm marlin]

ye we are mildly better than a 7th healer

[fossil forge]

Big W

[left ledge]

[shrewd lantern]

unironically storming to build is nice

keep atro on all 3

[swift tinsel]

lmfao RIO has the Reddit icons

and Xal feet

[left ledge]

Maybe my guild was actually

Planning April fools

And when we raid tonight

[left ledge]

I’ll be told “lol we’re not bringing a rogue to paladins bro”

[swift tinsel]

and they go away when you click them

[shrewd lantern]

I feel just screwed on salhadaar

if tanks dont leave boss by little orbs

to nimble cleave

[rose parrot]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[swift tinsel]

I gave up on orb pad after our tanks started Speed Racer-ing around

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah basically

[swift tinsel]

and erractically

[shrewd lantern]

then i watched 2-3 ranged get owned

by turning laser

2 secs after it starts

[jaunty heath]

me watching guild killing voranius second time w/o me

[swift tinsel]

I would pay considerable in-game currency to have tanks with good consistent positioning and movement

[warm marlin]

nah thats messed up

[quick marlin]

vorasius?

[swift tinsel]

really gotta funnel those daggers to your survival hunter's m+ build

[quick marlin]

why

[swift tinsel]

thats a weird choice

[quick marlin]

ya

[fading whale]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left ledge]

I got sat on vorasius too

But I have the dagger tbf

So there’s nothing I can loot from him

[true palm]

any good ?

[hazy breach]

Its alright

But not better than crucible

[true palm]

this + crucible

rocking them atm

[shadow lance]

How much is the second haste treshold for 8+ sec per dance?

[abstract cove]

hello, just got this shit, any tips on how to play it or just go as i feel?

[earnest prairie]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sweet moss]

flexing on us wtf

[abstract cove]

second we got and our dk hates my guts because i talk shit about it all the time

[shy scarab]

So its better to use SD on the remaining 8sec on blades now? Instead of getting off super charged at 3-2 sec?

[earnest prairie]

Do I just force 18% haste as sub? Raidbots says I need to swap out my crit/haste belt for a vers/mast one and it puts me around 17% haste which kinda feels awkward during blade windows

[abstract cove]

feeling good over max dps

go 700 haste

[alpine wraith]

yes go for haste RATING

around 685 to 700 is omegasafe

[jade urchin]

i almost dont wanna say it but midnight falls feels amazing as sub

lmao

[sacred jewel]

i still regret disenchating crucible to this day, i should just hoard trinkets 😔

[hazy breach]

You can restore it

[sacred jewel]

how

[hazy breach]

Google item restore wow

[alpine wraith]

sorry hc

[sacred jewel]

meaning through a ticket?

let me see

[hazy breach]

no

[sacred jewel]

oh okay this is great

[bleak night]

item restore is really dogshit when it comes to disenchanted items

so good luck

although idk if you can even disenchant the rep items so you mightve just sold it

[lilac stag]

You can’t de rep items

[swift tinsel]

Yeah typically you can’t DE them

[lilac stag]

that gets hotfixed near immediately if they miss one

[shy scarab]

Moses vanguard on mythic is painful as a rogue

Everybody at 200k++ and here i am with 120-140😆

[swift tinsel]

I just press my silly little crimson tempest to spread my silly little bleeds

[lilac stag]

apply your atrophic and stfu kthxbye

[swift tinsel]

And watch my silly little apex talent disappear from my buff section

Still

[lilac stag]

rogue like the only melee in for birds hahaha

[wide ravine]

can we wear 2 crafted dagger ? i have a doubt

[shadow lance]

You can but not this one

[karmic harbor]

So

is 630

haste

too little

and is there a way to make simc play like a human bean

[grizzled sphinx]

do i need for first sec tech in blades aphex prog? or can i just send it and fish afterwards

[west tide]

yes

[karmic harbor]

fml

is 700 really the bare minimum

[spare crypt]

680-ish

[karmic harbor]

like what's the lowest lowest i can go

[spare crypt]

is comfortable minimum

[lilac stag]

I wouldn’t go under 675

[spare crypt]

depending on your ping etc it can float

[north garnet]

We are holding up in 15s^^

[spare crypt]

absolute lowest i was managing to time the ST at was like 650 but it was iffy

[karmic harbor]

is using this significantly worse than eyes of the eagle

[lilac stag]

yes

[spare crypt]

look for ANY other source of haste you can squeeze out to reach the breakpoint

that enchant should be your last resort

[fossil forge]

650 If ur flawless robot

https://tenor.com/view/robot-ai-robot-ai-meme-ai-meme-gif-509507551361818171

[lilac stag]

drop more haste and use a flask

Is a better option than ring enchant

[fossil forge]

Im 730 with flask and is chill

[spare crypt]

guidon ilvl also matters

[karmic harbor]

my guidion is 289

[spare crypt]

have u tested on dummies?

i have a feelscraft that you should be able to pull off 630 haste with a pumped up guidon

[broken fable]

Did u guys craft third item this week or ?

[spare crypt]

yep

[dire ravine]

I was just about to ask this- thinking of sending crests on wrists.

[north garnet]

Crafted cloak

that ran me

80k

xD

[spare crypt]

ring for stat fixing

got a big crit neck from vault

[broken fable]

would be okay to craft legs since they are not tier anyway?

[hazy breach]

If youre not expecting to get any mythic legs anytime soo neys

[broken fable]

isnt the only myth legs dropping from Alleria mythic?

[harsh gale]

sims are showing higher using a mastery flask even though i dont have the haste breakpoint (only at 605). should i pay this any mind and just use the mastery flask in raid?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[crisp fossil]

Hi budies : I have question, on Vanguard in raid , what rotation do u use? black powder or evicerate - mono ? multi 🥲

[spare crypt]

powder on 2+

[sweet moss]

How good are the seat rings for us

[west tide]

nope

i spent my crests on my myth items

[crisp fossil]

even with dance activ ?

[west tide]

i have too many myth items

[spare crypt]

dance changes the builder

not the finisher

in dance you build with shadowstrike

out of it you build with shuri storm

[broken fable]

Damn i wish i had more then 1 🤣

[crisp fossil]

ok there's a man told me using evicerate on dance , always on 2 target

[spare crypt]

exception to that is when you have coup up, you use that instead of powder, but you should be running a macro to automate that if you arent already

check the sub guide on wowhead :>

[crisp fossil]

I think I will check sequence

I hesitate a lot

[spare crypt]

hit dummies until it becomes automatic

no other way

[crisp fossil]

yes i did every day, the thing is I'm super low imo

i will see it tomorrow

on this boss

[shadow lance]

If potent power talented*

Unless, it's 3+

[raw mantle]

Is the 650-700 haste target natty or with consumables?

[shadow lance]

Does it matter? No

[spare crypt]

its taken on paladins

[drifting elbow]

Hi, should I trust the sim when it ways being above 700 haste (around 800), is better than stacking crit or mastery ? (patchwerk, trickster ST build for raid)

[spare crypt]

as the question was specific to that fight

[acoustic ginkgo]

bcdm does not track supercharged out of combat, is there a way to set it or you need another bar addon?

[hazy breach]

after

[vast echo]

do you still go 680-700 haste with 276 guidon?

[shadow lance]

Always better to explain why

[alpine wraith]

it is time

[spare crypt]

can go down to 660-670 if you have low latency and are feeling spicy

if u wanna play it safe, aim for 680

[vast echo]

i have high brain latency unfortunately

[patent hinge]

me fumbling my second shadow dance during blades every single time

[spare crypt]

you can just do SD+ST macro when ST comes up

your 2nd supercharged finisher wont be in blades but at least you guarantee ST supercharged and in blades

[sharp peak]

https://giphy.com/gifs/no-elf-noo-AxaKe2ImWL2Du

[analog anvil]

Hey, can anyone give me some feedback on my stats? Are there any areas I need to improve?

[finite hedge]

haste looks too low, whats the rating number

[west tide]

that looks like 650 haste too low.. gg

[analog anvil]

its 600...

How much should I have?

[finite hedge]

yeah thats too low for the extra gcd

650-700. 700 is more safe for 8 gcds with coup during dance

[split wagon]

Update an item for 7 more pts

[analog anvil]

ty

[spare crypt]

coup critique goes crazy

[analog anvil]

can you share your stats so I can get a rough idea?

[spare crypt]

haste is 651

[fierce kite]

Hi all, i have a question in my vault i have puzzle box on myth and gaze of the Alnseer on hero!! Whitch is better? I do and i want push in MM+ and i do some raid. Actually i have gaze of the Alnseer on LFR and Light compagny guidon on hero. Which is the better choice?

[solar glen]

!guideon

[spare crypt]

gaze is highly contested so id grab that, guidon works for both raid and m+

[fierce kite]

Im already sim! And in dungeon slice top gear say me go puzzle box and in patchwerk top gear say me Gaze

[alpine wraith]

if you wont ever get mythic guidon getting puzzlebox can be fine

[spare crypt]

and youre upgrading 2 tracks instead of 1

[alpine wraith]

but tbh pugging first boss is possible

[analog anvil]

thx

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal ggs

[lucid jackal]

Absolute bastard

[warm marlin]

this guy saying ts while having mythic gaze

i got the other chim trinket in vault

[warped palm]

Is there a reason why some ppl send SecTec and Dance before Blades?

Like is there any value out of that?

[astral flax]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[alpine wraith]

same shit

sims worse than gaze even on hc XD

[late vine]

does sub suck at the jellyfish boss in Magister's Terrace or do I

[sacred jewel]

[waxen viper]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[fast flax]

is it worth craft 285 wrist after dags and waist? or rather save the crest

[paper spear]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

or you can be like me when i had shit boots

just craft what you lack

[still depot]

puzzle box users in keys. do you just treat it as a 3min CD?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[sacred jewel]

even in raid it'd be a 3min trinket

[grim vessel]

sims and everywhere im reading say to hold off on dance when blades is less than 10s, but my 3rd blades cast i find that im usually only getting 1 SD

[fast flax]

but is worth going for a 3rd item? u wont loose potential good upgrades on vault items?

[wicked fox]

I'm using this macro, does sec tech spend supercharged cp?
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[real panther]

yes

[daring raptor]

finally im happy

[quasi field]

do i need to use light company guidon a bit before shadowblades ?

[celest ice]

before dance so the dance registers the haste

[daring raptor]

actually don't know if they have fixed the bug

[daring raptor]

how long before?

i can just clicked it quick and then send right?=

[quasi field]

i heard 1 sec

[sacred jewel]

like 0.2-1s

but i just wait 1s

[tribal vortex]

max 1 sec

[sacred jewel]

to be safe

[tribal vortex]

yeah safer

[quasi field]

so no macro 🙁

[daring raptor]

That's so stupid

you could do a castsequence macro though right?

in theory

[sacred jewel]

yep time to learn using hotkeys for trinkets

[celest ice]

you can basically strike>trinket > blades >dance>sectech

[quasi field]

does it matter blades then dance or dance and then blades ?

[sacred jewel]

it should be activating at the same exact time

with the macro

[quasi field]

so macro works fine ?

[celest ice]

i personally wouldnt macro dance and blades together

[sacred jewel]

yeah

[quasi field]

why not ?

i got 1 hotkey for when i got both up and only blades when i only blade

dance*

only dance not blade 😄

[sacred jewel]

i have a SD+ST macro and SD+blade+ST macro

for when i wanna save shadow blades

[quasi field]

st aswell ?

does that work good ?

[celest ice]

i mean thats just how i do it, dont have other reasoning other than i dont want to always use blades when i dance nor create different macros for raids and outerworld, i can press two hot keys at the same time if i need both up same time

since blades are hotkey in my keyboard and dance is on my mouse

[quasi field]

y i understand but st in the macro aswell ?

[alpine wraith]

yea it is to avoid delay

we are fighting with literal miliseconds

[tribal vortex]

the way guidon works probably the best is to have macro for SB sd st

and press guidon and then all 3

[alpine wraith]

i have guidon alone

[quasi field]

y guidon alone

[tribal vortex]

you can also have like shuriken + guidon

[celest ice]

i have macro and separate keybind for trinket aswell

[tribal vortex]

so you wait exactly one sec

[quasi field]

so do you even have a keybind for st ?

or just in the macro

[alpine wraith]

yea i have one alone because sometimes you do sec tech in the middle

[quasi field]

ah true

[tribal vortex]

I have a keybind for sd+st one for SD alone and for SB sd st

[celest ice]

i got both macro and separate for sectech

[tribal vortex]

but if you press st and SD is running you don't cast it again so I don't have one for only st

[celest ice]

i mean we have much less abilities now than we had in TWW so im left loads of binds to be used for something else now 😄

[fallow glade]

[tribal vortex]

the problem is that you need macros to save gcds

it is the only skill expression of the spec

and the apex optimisation

[celest ice]

whats YOUR bind for dance, mine is mouse3

[fallow glade]

B for Bance

[celest ice]

ShadowBance

[alpine wraith]

i have one on 3 and on g

[fallow glade]

4 used to be rupture but thats gone so now thats dance+sectech

[quasi field]

control+r and control+t because im left handed ^^

[spare crypt]

R for rdance

E for eshadow blades

[alpine wraith]

my rupture was shift c or shift right click

[fallow glade]

[celest ice]

R is kick for every class and spec

[spare crypt]

ctrl e for kick

people have told me im sick for that but what can ya do

[celest ice]

holy moly i would never imagine using double bind for interrupt but im old

[tight dove]

F is kick obviously

R is dance and V is blades

[fair monolith]

Shift 1 is my Dance

[spare crypt]

i used to have major dmg cooldowns on V for all classes

but then pruning hit

[fair heart]

Maybe a dumb question, but I can't get Enhance QoL to show stacks of Shadow Techniques. It seems to work for every other spell

[tight dove]

Longer damage cds go on V shorter on R

Trinket shift V

[fair heart]

Any suggestions as to why that might be?

[celest ice]

For me Shift+T is always major CD my reasoning being that you dont use that bind as often as others so it dont haveto be agile bind

[stone vessel]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/F7YfWVyp1KCbHqra/20-Normal+Midnight+Falls+-+Kill+(6:27)/199-Dsanic/standard/overview

can someone go over my log and tell me if it's good or bad?

[spare crypt]

ehh

[brave moth]

When I am supposed to send 2nd Dance in Shadow Blades. When I have have like 6/7 seconds until SecTec ?

[spare crypt]

1:30 aint that big of a timer

[limpid sage]

How many seconds again?

[brave moth]

BRO

I WANTED TO AVOID IT BUT ACTUALLY I CANT

Cuz 8 seconds is too long

[tight dove]

I hope you receive nothing but poorly optimized gloves in your vault next week

[cyan saddle]

Also isn’t sb only 20 seconds?

[celest ice]

True but i use if on all classes to be consistent

[celest ice]

shadowbance

[short radish]

[brave moth]

fck that

[short radish]

[lucid jackal]

LMFAO

and

[spare crypt]

with guidon, 4set and 650+ haste, on 3 seconds left on sectech cd, you dance -> evis -> builder -> sectech

[cyan saddle]

Why Elvis first

Fuck

[brave moth]

hmmm I need abit more haste then I have 593

[spare crypt]

because it'll be in blades and superchargedf

[celest ice]

FAQ says different but idk what the most recent tech

[fair wedge]

might js be a swap outlaw angle i had like 850 mastery last week 🤣 🤣

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[fair wedge]

not looking forward to doing keys later with 400 mastery 💀

[spare crypt]

dayum new tech

[hazy breach]

This is just way easier

And barely worse

[spare crypt]

is it just ease of use?

[livid cape]

Damn I’m at like 1k mastery 700 haste

[hazy breach]

Because timing the trinket snapshot with supercharging the sectech is really really hard

So better to just do this

[spare crypt]

phew

i thought im griefing

so just quality of life

[celest ice]

So whats the bug? why guidon neede to be activated before dance? the haste value no registering fast enough?

[spare crypt]

yep

[quasi field]

if its still not fixed y

[spare crypt]

the haste value not registering immediately for the shadow dance extension in particular

[celest ice]

does this same affect emberwing trinket? because when i look at the tooltip and use trinket it changes near instant

[spare crypt]

from the info going around, its inconsistent

could be 0.2s, could be 1s

[hazy breach]

Its not the trinkets

The trinkets apply the haste immediately

But deepening doesnt update immediately

[celest ice]

for me the duration showed in tooltip of dance changes almost instantly when i use emberwing, i do have very good latency tho if that matters

[hazy breach]

Well "almost instantly"

Is not the same as instantly

Thats the issue

It takes upto 1s, most of the time 0.2-0.3 is fine

[sullen hare]

I just send it and wait a small amount of time like .2-.3 sec but that feels so doggy to do even if it's what we gotta since blizzard fucked things up

[celest ice]

well yes thats what i have been doing

not macroing it to anything and so on

[sullen hare]

Yeah that's about all you can do until blizzard fixes it but then breaks something else intentionally for friction

[plush roost]

New guidon ping whats the expected loss from this over charged sec tec eleem?

.1%?

[hazy breach]

About there ye

[sullen hare]

I'm thinking maybe a nice round 1.6s gcd bug for coup

[plush roost]

Figures

[celest ice]

sec tech losing its clones

[hazy breach]

And its also way way way way easier

[sullen hare]

We already had that with dimensius and first boss in rookery

[hazy breach]

So in practice its gonna be +dps for almost everybody

[celest ice]

eww good i never knew

was assa slave back then

[sullen hare]

Yep they would just fall down the well

Very good, very legal

[tribal blade]

the fractional nightmare

best part about the end of season is everyone trying to get fractionals to be safer over cutoff

[short radish]

just trying to time their +1 higher?

[tribal blade]

yeah trying to shave seconds off their runs

or if you're big even MINUTES

[sleek musk]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[quasi field]

does that not happen automatically ?

after 1 shadow dance you are ate +- 8 secs

[spice matrix]

[karmic harbor]

who decided to release mm hunter in this state btw

[spice matrix]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[karmic harbor]

oh

that sectec isnt meant to be supercharged

i see

[quasi field]

thats for single target right ?

or lets say not for opener

[stoic shuttle]

do i fan on two targets

[west tide]

ta

[quasi field]

yeah but not if sd is running

[shy flare]

Currently with 4p tier but no guidon what is the proper way to play blades as far as dance and sec tech timings?

[plush roost]

If your sec tec is 19 sec cd you should be able to dance last 8 seconds of blades and sec tec in gcd 19

[shy flare]

I don’t have guidon but I’ve still been able to fit a 2nd sec tech in my blades, is this the correct play or should I holes sec tech for 3rd dance, the one after blades

Gotcha

Do you then send naked dance after blades or just hold it?

[sullen spruce]

lads, which one should i use for my belt craft ?

[plush roost]

Idk what that does to your cadence later down the line tho, i have had guidon since day 1 xd

[shy flare]

Lucky! Well with guidon how do you play that 3rd dance?

[oak hearth]

Is Eye of the Drowning Void better than Withered Saptor paw

[celest ice]

sim

[hazy breach]

You wait for sectech, like usual

[warm marlin]

wont yo clone hit outside dance

[manic salmon]

when yo shit hit outside of danxe

✌️ 😭

[patent hinge]

So I have a rotation question. Do I want to spend my eviscerates immediately during shadow dance when my combo points refresh or do I absolutely have to alternate shadowstrike/eviscerate

[plush roost]

Ig u can dance at 7.5 left or w.e

[kind edge]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[patent hinge]

This spreadsheet existing scares me

[fossil panther]

Do the order of the enchants matter, based on MH/Offhand?
Because I got a better ilvl weapon this week, so I want to make it my MH and place my current MH as my offhand.
Just wondering if I need to refresh the enchants or just pick the one's that left.

[hazy breach]

Does not matter

It also doesnt matter if youre using agi+mastery or agi+agi

[lucid jackal]

does double mainstat not sim best for everybody rn

[plush roost]

Mastery won for me

1 n 1

[spare crypt]

main stat gang

[hazy breach]

In aoe its surely mastery though

Maybe even 2x mastery ngl

[patent hinge]

Seems like a minor difference and whichever one wins depends on your other gear so like sim things

Im surprised double main stat works and doesn't just overwrite itself given that the game is made of spaghetti

[fossil panther]

Appresh!

[fossil forge]

[hazy breach]

I mean you'd need a bit more since sectech hits 1s after you press it

[night sparrow]

Hey @swift tinsel I totally mistook you for someone else, now that I've seen THE guy's name, mb

[hazy breach]

Technically 18.8, but thats too tight so prob ore like 18.5

[patent hinge]

Is there a way to toggle on fraction of a second details in the tool tip because its just gonna round up to 19 unless you manage to push it down all the way to 18

[hazy breach]

Nop

[patent hinge]

Thanks blizz

I totally didn't want that functionality thank you for taking away add-ons that could give it

[short radish]

No corners cut, no compromises in terms of what we’re delivering, and no sacrifices to quality.

[hazy lichen]

is guidon timer still bugged

[short radish]

yes

[hazy breach]

Deepening shadows is still bugged yes

Or well

"bugged"

[hazy lichen]

not that

like running keys

and ur trnket goes on a longer cd

for some reason

that bug

[hazy breach]

Yes because the affix reduces your spells cooldown but not trinkets

Its not a bug

[mental saffron]

I simmed myself yesterday after equipping 4p, and it simmed 131k, today i crafted a 285 cloak and simmed again for 124k, what is up with this, anyone know?

[hazy lichen]

how do we play around it

[alpine wraith]

this week we have cdr on the xal atath thing

just play 12 and above

[hazy breach]

Mostly hold, but depends

[mental saffron]

Sure, but why am i getting a low result on my 2nd stat weight sim

[median canyon]

So was looking at raid logs and the top sub Rogue on first boss (HC) waited until his Sectech was off cooldown to use his second SD in burst; is that worth doing for the Super charger CD? I assume whats why he did it

Edit* (I think he backstabbed twice before popping SD + Sectech again)

[short radish]

simmed myself again and double mainstat is winning out for me but only by 0.1 - 0.2%

but i have rather high mastery or something

[torpid snow]

Is gem sim not working for you guys either?

[night sparrow]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but robot changed its mind like yesterday. During blades, Instead of [2nd dance]+finisher > filler > Sec Tec, we now press 2nd so it fades at the same time blade does

with 4p guidon btw

[fallow rampart]

guys should i use second sectec in blades without supercharged bonus?

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[fallow rampart]

nice ty

[night sparrow]

the only supercharged 2nd sectec is during BL

as second finisher

[fallow rampart]

cant understand it, but bl not doing our cd less or thats not about it?

[plush roost]

U simmed stat weights, just do quick or top gear

[small vortex]

sectec cd is reduced by all haste values so lust gives you very short sectec cd

[mental saffron]

Same thing happens, i did test on the weekly build and not latest and it simmed different @plush roost

[small vortex]

outside of lust it will not be as short a cd during blades for 2nd dance

[warm marlin]

mythic guidon

surely dagger too

[mental saffron]

This is what it simmed when i did on the Weekly version instead @plush roost

Simming this on the Latest version

[tribal vortex]

@hazy breach with 4p and mythic guidon and tfd I find myself able to cast almost 3 st in SB

do I use asap 2 and the third afterwards with SD again?

[plush roost]

Weirdge

[tribal vortex]

haven't checked it much but it was like very close maybe bl too

also dance is like 14-15 sec so it covers most of the sb

I just spam st I guess?

[plush roost]

I just wouldnt play tfd and run finality tbh

[fallow rampart]

and when bl i hold second dance for second sectec and give him supercharged bonus?

[hazy breach]

With BL maybe sure, but otherwise no

But yeah you need way more to hit 3 inside blades

[fallow rampart]

also guys, do i need always full cp with dance+sectec ? or i still can 6+2 from supercharged and sent it like that

[tribal vortex]

it was in m+ but I didn't test it much I will check tomorrow exactly the case. Do you think in m it would be worth to swap tfd?

[hazy breach]

Well theres also the cooldown reduction affix

[chrome palm]

[warm marlin]

im wondering why im doing no damage on vorasius just to notice our only shaman is sitting

-8% pov

[night sparrow]

with bl during blades, you go (2nd dance)+finisher > filler > 2nd sec tec

[orchid linden]

i switched from assa to sub, do we wanna use finishers at 5 or 6 cps outside of dance? or always go for max?

[hazy breach]

6+, but in practice you almost always end up at 7 anyway

[limber folio]

i finally got the ring

but now i have the 2nd boss ring in vault

so this shit is cooked

[orchid linden]

why 6? i cant find the talent or whatever it is that dictates it for the life of me

[hazy breach]

Because its just more efficient to use higher cp finishers

[plush roost]

Thats what i do

[fallow rampart]

so im just going normally rotation and not trying get second dance supercharged bonus with second sectec?

[stuck arrow]

So gross. Difference between a 99 and an 80.

[short radish]

our druid is sitting for first boss

and its the only boss i need to fix logs on

[warm marlin]

our druid hasnt gotten a break the entire time ive been in the guild

[median canyon]

Sorry for the late reply, was doing m+; so use SD instantly after the first SD goes off?

[warm marlin]

they got that man in the sweat shop

[short radish]

ours was about to quit until they got buffed

and he got reeled back in

[tough coral]

Do we use Light

Do we use light's potential or Recklessness?

[real belfry]

Are people running ds or trick on birds?

[hazy breach]

Just run tricks everywhere

[subtle jay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle jay]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[night sparrow]

Out of BL yes, check !guidon

[night sparrow]

check !guidon

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sharp ravine]

2nd rank one this season

Beloren is really cool to play

[pastel geyser]

did everyone see our emergency buffs 🫠

[stone vessel]

what buffs?

[night sparrow]

April 1st

[pastel geyser]

MADE YOU LOOK!

i mean APRIL FOOLS

[stone vessel]

tbf, iIt's already april 2nd where I live

[pastel geyser]

tbf europeans are fictional

[night sparrow]

does that make us super heroes or some shit

[pastel geyser]

more like hobbits

in theory you could be heroes that lead an adventure that saves the realm, but you could just as easily be short, fat, and kind of useless

[night sparrow]

i'd rather be leading an adventure than being american tbf

[lone spear]

RaiderIO new spec logo is 10/10

[pastel geyser]

i maintain thats the wrong way to do dates

[short radish]

americans

[bleak night]

only proper way to display date is DDHHMMZMONYY

[gilded nebula]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[crystal quiver]

is it worth upgrading mythic guidon trinket vs a tier piece?

[lilac pendant]

Guidon this nuts

Sorry

[median canyon]

Okay, thank you!

[halcyon roost]

is this good

[night sparrow]

With those March on Quel'danas buffs, Blizzard finally buffed rogues : 3.6 DR is relevant

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-16644513012642585936

[steel horizon]

is it safe to shadowstep 3rd boss of skyreach?

dont wanna fall off but im too scared to try lol

[night sparrow]

yes

you can even cloak during pulse + evasion while your tank comes back from hiding

and nuke boss like a no brainer

[short radish]

you can shadowstrike to it as well

[remote rapids]

I know all the rules and stuff with guidon trinket, what is the actual time you hold dance vs no trinket? Stuck on phone, no internet

[timber quiver]

That simple white health bar on top of character exile is using is a base UI feature? Otherwise, which addon?

[hazy breach]

Some inhouse liquid addon

[torpid echo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bYkGXM2bRL1hMG655Fm4Sj

Anyone has any idea why the crit/mastery variation is picked over the haste mastery one in here?
If I replace the PoS legs for these I'd be at 523 haste and i'm already removing the haste oil from the weapons, any idea?

[hazy breach]

Well 520 vs 600, youre still not getting the full extra gcd

Oh wait nvm youre simming deathstalker

[torpid echo]

could this be why? I usually sim for Pure ST since I don't wanna run a long ass dungeon slice sim xD

[drifting ether]

I normally sim 1 target and 5 target sims to compare what i need

[torpid echo]

I'll run sim again with 5 targets and trickster then

[drifting ether]

Do you normally play deathstalker?

[torpid echo]

Only on 2 bosses

[hazy breach]

Would recommend you just play trickster everywhere

[torpid echo]

I play on Vorasius and Salhadaar only

[drifting ether]

You'll have to run 3 sims than ds 1t trickster 1t and 5t

[torpid echo]

and whoever has the best avg I'd pick?

since I will not craft 3 pair of legs LOL

[drifting ether]

Say you gain 0.2% on 1t but gain nothing on 5t something like that you check which one is worth it

Just a example

[torpid echo]

thanks, I'll resim and send it tomorrow, thanks !

[cyan saddle]

Y’all wanna see a red weiner?!

[glass jackal]

man, being put in the first group on heroic dreamrift sucks. get about halfway through your initial burst and then you gotta soak

[swift tinsel]

ye I'm stuck in group 1 too and its not ideal

but RL wants to keep groups consistent across all fights

[short radish]

its even worse when you use puzzlebox

that being said you can shadowstep the burst

and finish your rotation while they gather

[cyan saddle]

Or just tricks the tank and go to the big add immediately and help tank develop aggro?

[left ledge]

someone mentioned tracking trinket buff duration in some addon

is that possible on arcui

[warm marlin]

@swift tinsel think u wanted this too

[swift tinsel]

Ohhhh you have it on Spell Cast, I was trying with Aura Gained and it wouldn't fire

tysm

[spice matrix]

bring back only Nimble pls thanks

[left ledge]

wait what tab even is this in

[swift tinsel]

Custom Bars

[warm marlin]

custom bars under bars

[left ledge]

oh it has to be a bar?

[swift tinsel]

holy shit you saved me

this owns

[left ledge]

ah

[warm marlin]

think theres some way to do it with an icon idk

maybe bar only

[swift tinsel]

was trying to cobble it together in raid last night

[warm marlin]

im a bar enjoyer

[swift tinsel]

I think its just bars, Arc Auras just does cd tracking of item

[left ledge]

hmm

okay thanks

[remote rapids]

in the opener, with 700 haste + guidon, your second sec tec should be ready just a few seconds after the second dance? was just testing a bit on dummy, seems like sectec was ready with like 1-2s left on blades and other logs i was comparing their sectec was cast was before mine

[left ledge]

this is really helpful still

huge

[remote rapids]

oh, well i guess in raid, with pots, etc, etc me just hitting dummy not exactly the same i suppose

[warm marlin]

ye its goated

[swift tinsel]

whoa you can set Conditional Color based on time

[warm marlin]

yes also true

[swift tinsel]

inc bar change at 14sec

[warm marlin]

a bit hard to see when its close to done tho

i just look at duration number

[swift tinsel]

ye probs what I'm gonna do too

[remote rapids]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JjhdxTtNYqMb6B3R?fight=last&type=casts&source=1&view=timeline

generally the rigt idea? bad log a bit, didn't wait quite long enough for second dance cast, but basically 8-9s left on blades, cast dance, then sectc soon as it is up?

[tribal blade]

@warm marlin hey want your expert opinion, my RL wants me to potentially take myth tier gloves out of vault but after doing sims to account for haste hero crown neck is minimum +1%, more like +1.6% or more if i adjust haste even more

which would you take

[drifting ether]

Send a sd st and hold cds till you go down in heroic

[west bluff]

the comments on RWF streams are so mean bro

[warm marlin]

crown neck bait

everything ive seen suggests it doesn't do as much damage in game as it does in sims

[tribal blade]

MMM ok

[warm marlin]

its what like 0.6% or something rn in bis

my spriest has it and it does like 0.1% for him

[tribal blade]

gotcha ok

oh that's not much at all

and spriest is all shadow dmg

ok

[short radish]

if it helps, i just crafted my neck

[elfin saffron]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[elfin saffron]

Currently, the apex optimization applies even outside lust, correct?

[swift tinsel]

yes

and ye alleria neck damage is very low even in st, purely just attractive for the high haste

sims pretty close to actual damage, 0.5% of total

in st

[blissful glacier]

the pvp quest neck decent enough or should we just craft mythic necks?

[swift tinsel]

m+ its usually 0.1-0.2%

[vocal hare]

what can i craft?

[west bluff]

haste/mastery?

[short radish]

yeah

[sharp ravine]

Back

[west bluff]

waas thinking about neck or ring as well, stats seem exactly the same

[sharp ravine]

Shouldn't max Wrist when you can upgrade same track on major gear slot btw

[west bluff]

ring might be easier to fix secondaries through dropping though

[vocal hare]

ye was an error xD

[sharp ravine]

You should sim yourself and see what sim is saying btw

Sim gonna say leg tho

[vocal hare]

it does say leg infact

[sharp ravine]

Long term, leg is a bad craft vs back

Short term it's the best

[warm marlin]

@left ledge i am doing 0 damage on this fight what about you

like negative damage

[vocal hare]

i think imma go with legs

[left ledge]

im on the meter but like

at the bottom

this boss is just ass

on that note though jfc

how do i hide bigwigs bars

and just keep the timeline

[analog hearth]

`why is top gear not letting me sim second crafted dagger?

[lilac stag]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[warm marlin]

idk i just dragged them to the corner of my screen

very professional

[west bluff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cP5pbPHx6YmdumWamS9VMf yo where can i check how much haste i'm going to have with this suggested gear? i can't be that blind

[lucid jackal]

idk but 2nd dagger is bad craft

[lilac stag]

Run the top one as a quick sim and look at full html report

[warm marlin]

7min pull i live the whole thing

[left ledge]

did you kill

[warm marlin]

no

[left ledge]

this boss need to die

[warm marlin]

we did make it to the end

just had deaths

[lilac stag]

Did you push your buttons?

[warm marlin]

unfortunately yes

[lilac stag]

damn

[sharp ravine]

Which boss ?

[warm marlin]

m paladins

[sharp ravine]

Glad to see a rogue on it

[warm marlin]

i am a humble atrophic poison applier

[lilac stag]

don’t forget big soaker

[sharp ravine]

I have this job for Crown 🙏

[lilac stag]

we have that to look forward to

[sharp ravine]

We are gonna be a humble soaker on Beloren too

[lilac stag]

better than the rest of melee on bench duty

[warm marlin]

i wish

[lilac stag]

We’re like 3rd tank

[warm marlin]

i am relegated to a ranged soak

[lilac stag]

dmg wise at least

[warm marlin]

the run back to boss during shields and hammers is a bit tough

[lilac stag]

soak a few things

maybe we’re already in 4th spec arc and we didn’t realize it

timer bar tech @warm marlin

[west bluff]

i see, crazy it's suggesting crafting with crit/mast and leaving me with 449 haste, thought it'd at least try to aim for 600

[spice matrix]

Paladins?

[lilac stag]

if you’re not close to an extra gcd it says fuck off

[west bluff]

so basically i should ignore top gear and aim for the ~600-700 mark

[lilac stag]

what most people are doing. Some things you don’t want to fuck with, like ring enchants

[dusky yacht]

So guys uhh.. Should I use Guidon? Lmao I just randomly got this

[tribal blade]

surely nimble buffs

[west bluff]

Got it, thanks

[warm marlin]

yes

[spice matrix]

progging it now, im so sad

[warm marlin]

it's ok my atrophic is popping off

[lilac stag]

Tried Assa?