subtlety

[fading saffron]

imo puzzle box is a trap

[swift tinsel]

unless midnight falls is super fun

[fading saffron]

and i think restabilizer would be better for you

[brazen stone]

what are you guys crafting for your 3rd item

after dagger and belt

should i do cloak

[fading saffron]

i went ring

[versed swift]

Neck

[pulsar hemlock]

Prob neck

[brazen stone]

damn we just got this nice haste mastery neck tho

[sullen hare]

Same

[brazen stone]

pvp hypeee

[fading saffron]

PvP neck is huge Mastery stonks, and ring is able to let me be flexible with stats until myth vault

but always sim yourself

[brazen stone]

this is what im lookin like without any buffs or oils atm. i rlly need the mag terrace crit haste cloak

so i was debating just crafting it

[fossil forge]

i would get the pvp neck but my neck gives 100 haste so it would be over

[wet jacinth]

hello i was simming my trinkets and is there a reason why guidon sims so goddamn high ? it outsims my heart of the wind and my puzzlebox

[fading saffron]

cause guidon is love, guidon is life

[brazen stone]

actually this ring instead

[fading saffron]

also, shadowblades

[upbeat cradle]

Same cd as shadow blades, huge stats

[north garnet]

Is there any reason crafting a cloak would be a bad idea?

i already crafted wrists/dagger

[weak vector]

I mean, if it's a missing piece and you're having no luck with drops in m+ or raid, then go for it

[fading saffron]

cloak is easily farmable, and doesnt give a massive amount of stats versus another armor piece - in actuality its not a HUGE deal

[brazen stone]

yea tbh i might just craft crit haste cloak cuz im too lazy to go farm mag terrace lol

[north garnet]

i have everything at 266 minimum right

now

[hollow forum]

is it better to pick an item that is more rare and sims lower lets say First boss trinket or Algethar ring compared to gloves tier

[north garnet]

right

hmm

i m reluctant on belt or feet because of socket and avoidance

cant do neck because i will get alleria one at some point

[jovial marten]

[fading saffron]

is my current stat breakdown

[weak vector]

I cant find the vendor for this

oh nvm its from the quest

[strange heath]

sub or sin?

[chilly kite]

sub

also seeing from u guys i have way too little mastery i'm only at like 66

[manic ice]

i had this log last night, Rank 10 sub rogue, but rank 13 in my own guild on heroic paladins

[chilly kite]

purple parses regardless of class shouldn't be that much higher than pink damage parses. but thats just my opinion

[jovial marten]

https://tenor.com/view/remember-the-titans-denzel-youre-a-hall-of-famer-in-my-book-gif-8532006

[fading saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/wanna-go-outside-gif-25966358

[sullen spruce]

lads, is it worth to craft double daggers?

[hazy breach]

Usually no

As offhand is the slot with the least amount of stats

[karmic bough]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[sullen spruce]

alr thnx

[charred pawn]

what do you recommend for crafting this week got dagger which is my mh for the time being, and a belt

[fading saffron]

im a firm believer in ring craft

+147/+147 for a selected stat is so good, and lets you manage your stat weights a lot better imo

[true coral]

Hi, quick question regarding Tricks of the Trade. It says it lasts 1h, but redirects aggro starting from the first attack within 30 secs. Do I need to reapply it before a pull or is it just one and done?

[sacred magnet]

should i just upgrade the myth pieces fully i got if i have the two crafted already?
or is there any other optimized way to upgrade items?

[warm marlin]

once you hit something to activate it it lasts an hour

[light finch]

matrix restabilizer any good ?

[swift tinsel]

did you use arc to make a guidon aura bar?

[warm marlin]

yes

[true coral]

okay, thank you very much!

[swift tinsel]

might have to pick your brain later, tried setting one up with the spellID for Charge! and it wasn't running

granted it was mid-raid

[warm marlin]

i used this one 1259633

[swift tinsel]

ye same

did you do it as a Custom Bar?

I tried configuring a Timed one for 15sec set to fire using that spellID

[shrewd lantern]

it has a pretty set proc time so if its hero its decent

though i dont recall the exact cd

@hazy breach do you remember matrix icd

[plush roost]

didint they nerf matrix in DF?

[copper trail]

does it matter what order shadow blades and the Guidon trinket is in? I noticed that if I pop trinket first in the macro it doesnt always cast

[plush roost]

cause it was BIS for everyhone lol

[shrewd lantern]

yeah idk i never got it

[hazy breach]

1:45

[shrewd lantern]

so it should be up mostly

for sb

[hazy breach]

But ye the stats are very heavily nerfed from back when it was good in df

[shrewd lantern]

oof yeah it was basically like a second use

[azure thicket]

used 3.5k pre-squish and got an insta invite

glaze is real

[vale osprey]

Don't do this, use trinket standalone and macro blades, dance and sectec

I mean do what you want, just a suggestion

[azure thicket]

i've been trying it without a macro

and if you can immediately send sec tec

you still end up waiting a hair or so to send the second sec tec with 6+ combo points

you get a larger window with lust etc

[shrewd lantern]

you can macro sb dance sectec into your sb bind

[azure thicket]

i think it's important to not just robot sometimes etc even though it do be convenient etc

[vale osprey]

There's not a situation that you'd use SB without the other two up though

So the macro is fine

[azure thicket]

red dots > irons being the easiest way to say hey dun be a luddite

but also be a luddite sometimes

[shrewd lantern]

i have a bind for just dance

and dance sectec

[azure thicket]

ye the dance > sec tec bind seems fire

[vale osprey]

And then the SB one

All 3 are relevant

[azure thicket]

just sending it without assists to see how weird it gets

you miss it sometimes and don't get a 8 sec shadow dance to work with

server jank at 200ms etc

[shrewd lantern]

200 latency is wild

[azure thicket]

credits to whoever wrote the blizzard netcode to work at 200ms lol

[fading saffron]

for filler, when we are waiting on dance/sectec CD, if we have 5 CB points and dance/sectec come off in like 2 sec, do we just send a 5pt eviserate and rebuild points, or just sit for dance/sectec?

[shrewd lantern]

im more impressed by nk logs i see where their tanks have boss by the small orbs

[azure thicket]

sec tec will go 0-200k dps real quick from experience

[shrewd lantern]

so they just get infinite nimble cleave

[azure thicket]

it's worth using it right

[copper trail]

any reason to not have it combined? would this be "correct" if I remove the trinket/use 13 from the macro

[vale osprey]

Read sub faq

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah you cant macro trinks

[vale osprey]

You want to trinket independently before blades and dance etc because if you don't

1. your dance won't benefit from the haste
2. you're losing SB uptime by popping it with trink and waiting a second

[south kernel]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[south kernel]

there u go pal

oh shit it doesnt have the "pop 1 sec early"

[vale osprey]

That's why best practice is to use trink solo on a bind, then SB, SD, SecTec all in a macro

[shrewd lantern]

its funny since wowhead guide says

[fading saffron]

Anyone able to give me a breakdown as to what our burst looks like with 4p?

[shrewd lantern]

wait to supercharge second st in sb

[vocal rock]

What about macro in puzzlebox since it’s on a 2min CD?

[copper trail]

ok so TLDR is that sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt, so dont do it for consitency

[south kernel]

guidon - blades dance tech - ss-evis till dance expires then see if u can squeeze one or two evis and sit at max cp and dance when tech is 2 sec cd and insta invis into ss into tech

[vale osprey]

The Guidon command assumes first dance and opener

I think

[copper trail]

So i pop guidon and then my macro then i guess

[vale osprey]

Whereas every other you'll have to do it with 1 sec of SB to spare

[south kernel]

roughly a sec before to be extra safe

[vale osprey]

Yeah, with a roughly 1 sec delay

[alpine wraith]

not supercharging sec tech is -0.1% to doing the krangle adn supercharging it

[copper trail]

ait, thanks people

[alpine wraith]

but you risk losing guidon

[south kernel]

WAIT WHAT?

[alpine wraith]

haste extend

[south kernel]

only a 0.1?

[alpine wraith]

it is very very tight

[south kernel]

wait wait wait

[chilly kite]

is it worth to macro ss onto the guidon, just for gcd saving

[alpine wraith]

unless you gear for extra haste yea

[south kernel]

so if i clip 2nd dance with guidon and dance

[alpine wraith]

you can safely just dance with there is 8 secs left of blades

just remember to dance evis with apexed evis

[south kernel]

and if i just 2nd to fit blades

[fading saffron]

for the odd dance between sectec CD, do we sit on it, or use the 2nd dance after the 1st falls off and use 3rd dance with 2nd sectec before blades end?

[vale osprey]

You can yeah but it won't work after opener

[south kernel]

with what hach is saying

fuck supercharging 2nd tech

[alpine wraith]

i will make a video to clarify i guess that you lose almost nothing

[south kernel]

unless u have myth guidon

[chilly kite]

i was gonna macro ss into my solo pop guidon, because its off the gcd and it feels like a waste hitting it natty without anything else bound into it

[south kernel]

or way too much haste

cos snapshotting the dance on guidon is a fucking bitch

[south kernel]

doesnt matter cos premed no?

[alpine wraith]

you want the damage from apex

[fading saffron]

this is my 1st tier as rogue, so, wanting to do what i can - are one of you able to look over some of my logs for me? got some 95's last night, but worse on other fights

[alpine wraith]

not the refresh

[south kernel]

yea but premed stops it from casting

wait

the bug is only for refresh

not damage?

[chilly kite]

the sim hits guidon at the same time as blades and dance so i don't trust the sim

[south kernel]

it doesnt account for server delay update

or whatever garbage they used to code deepning shadows

[chilly kite]

whats the maximum server delay that u would b aloud to just macro it together

[alpine wraith]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[alpine wraith]

nvm

the clone does not spawn anyway

[south kernel]

yea

thats what i thought

and i doubt u wanna dance-storm

so yea apex 2nd sc sure

but if the gap is really 0.1%

i think i wont try to clip guidon and supercharge tech again

cos i might be losing damage everytime i miss it

[south kernel]

can be up to an hour

i mean a second

fuck me

personally? i just trinket the previous global

cos its turbo inconsistent

sometimes its 0.2 smetimes its a full sec

[undone ridge]

guys am i allowed to spend combo points on secret technique even tho im not in shadow dance?

or is it strictly only used in shadow dance

[south kernel]

never

[undone ridge]

aight bet

just use eviscreate then

[boreal cargo]

Hey guys, what is the best m+ comp to pair with a sub rogue?

[chilly kite]

i have 22 ms i wonder if its low enough that i can just macro it together

[undone ridge]

something that has bl since rogues dont have ^^

[shrewd lantern]

swapping rogue out for a better class

[south kernel]

no its server side i think

[shrewd lantern]

bl is one of the worst buffs for rogue

[undone ridge]

yeah but for team

[south kernel]

meh its not THAT bad

should have seen tww

[shrewd lantern]

its weaker than hunter buff

[south kernel]

KEKW

[shrewd lantern]

rn

[undone ridge]

if u dont nave bl ur cooked in m+

[south kernel]

they wanted to make haste impactful

there u have it

haste is impactful

[shrewd lantern]

meta comp is likely mage aug devourer

[undone ridge]

tis

[south kernel]

phys comp is always there aswell

[undone ridge]

sounds decent

[chilly kite]

ima do some testing, when i get a chance to get online and get back to you on it lol

[south kernel]

and i havent tried outlaw yet but i heard its doing quite well

[undone ridge]

paired with shamans

[south kernel]

i spent a solid hour or two on it

it was giga inconsistent

[shrewd lantern]

skyfury is like 7%

[south kernel]

skyfury is bis

[shrewd lantern]

for sub

[chilly kite]

whats your ms?

[sullen glen]

Using the Blades/Dance/SecTec macro isn’t an issue correct? I swear I read somewhere if you do that it won’t supercharge the sectech

[south kernel]

62-90

[south kernel]

depends on order

if u tech before dance then it wont

[chilly kite]

i have consistant 22

[undone ridge]

do we have a macro pin here?

[south kernel]

so its blades-dance-tech

[undone ridge]

i have 0 macros

[lucid jackal]

It's alright

[undone ridge]

feeling like im missing out

[lucid jackal]

Non rogue spec is good I'd argue

[south kernel]

eyyy the goat is here

[south kernel]

i already started gearing my feral dont tempt me

[south kernel]

im sure wowhead has smth

[undone ridge]

do u have a favourite macro?

just as an apetizer

[south kernel]

yea the one that makes me logout and play prot warrior so i get invited

[undone ridge]

cuz im also fine playing without

[undone ridge]

bruhhhhhhhhhh

[south kernel]

dance-tech macro

and blades dance tech macro

[undone ridge]

warris living good now

[south kernel]

these are the ones u NEED

or well nto need

but it makes life alot easier

the rest are w/e

[undone ridge]

okay ill check in wow head then

[sweet moss]

why does using dance sometimes get rid of ancient arts, is that the premed bug?>

[shrewd lantern]

warrior is never bad

[undone ridge]

are they in wow head?

[shrewd lantern]

you always need battleshout in raid

[fading saffron]

give rogue crit buff

[south kernel]

now if you'll excuse me i'll go do nexus point for the 30th time to get a chest

[south kernel]

mofo give rogue a full rework

[undone ridge]

gl hf dawg

[south kernel]

i wont

[undone ridge]

whats the key?

like how high

[sweet moss]

rogue feels fun ya chud

[south kernel]

oh its piss low

[undone ridge]

i wanna key shame u

[south kernel]

i just spam 10s

[undone ridge]

:-(((

[south kernel]

to get some gear

[undone ridge]

feel ya

[south kernel]

aint gonna push with a fucking veteran chest

[spiral steeple]

10s give max ilvl anyway right

[south kernel]

yea exactly

[undone ridge]

baahahahahahha

[south kernel]

MAN I GET DECLINED ON 9S

[undone ridge]

cooked brate

[fading saffron]

im having a blast as a rogue tbh, 1st tier with it and having a great time

[south kernel]

and im like 265 almsot 3k

[spiral steeple]

Bro I'm ilvl 266 and can't get into 5s

[south kernel]

glad to hear that fam

[spiral steeple]

Nobody gives a shit about rogues

[fading saffron]

its fine, im 273 and get declined for 10s with all times 11's-12's

it is what it is

[void ocean]

woah woah woah what is this glooming bois

and dooming

[spiral steeple]

I'm topping charts in all the pugs I'm doing yet I can't get invited to chimaerus normal despite having AOTC

[stable marlin]

It’s crazy because at least in keys I don’t think we feel giga weak compared to raid

[swift tinsel]

why I purely run rogue keys with guild

[fading saffron]

rogue stonks are

[spiral steeple]

Blows my mind

[alpine wraith]

dps is the least of problems with rogue

because that is the only thing we have

[stable marlin]

The lack of utility is frustrating

[alpine wraith]

we just dont fit on any comps too

like the devourer dh mage + buff healer

[spiral steeple]

Hear me out

[alpine wraith]

then you want a caster or something

[spiral steeple]

Expose weakness becomes a debuff on the boss

Now everyone wants a rogue

I don't even care if it gets nerfed to a reasonable percentage

[light finch]

a

[south kernel]

i do too and it turns into a "haha ur playing rogue" simulator

u know what the fucking locks on my guild call me

IMP GANG BOSS

COS I DO AS MUCH DAMAGE AS IT

[swift tinsel]

I'm basically a kick/stun bot outside cds

and then relentlessly flame the others that don't kick Terrors in MT

when we triple pull

[shrewd lantern]

utility dont matter in low keys

[swift tinsel]

as I laugh in cloak

[south kernel]

inb4 u play with 3 warrios

[shrewd lantern]

just be over 270

[south kernel]

and they just scream

[elfin pendant]

I rerolled to rogue from Devastation Evoker

[frank mango]

quick question is it worth upgrading hero track gear with the hero crests?

[shrewd lantern]

Like ima be fr utility is a cope ass argument for 10 keys and under

so many dps signups

[frank mango]

i dunno im enjoying my rogue, been my main/main alt since mop

[shrewd lantern]

you just take the highest ilvl

[spiral steeple]

i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about rogue. u wouldnt say this shit to him at arena, hes jacked. not only that but he wears myth track clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest belf dudes. yall are pathetic lol.

[shrewd lantern]

I mean if i see a 275 dps in a queue

i just take regardless

[south kernel]

arena? whats that word?

is that some april fool event?

[lilac stag]

You were likely warned in here not to.

[spiral steeple]

Does nobody play arena anymore?

I don't because I'm not stinky

[shrewd lantern]

i play for cosmetics

[swift tinsel]

not according to blizz dev team

[shrewd lantern]

usually only enchant and elite weapons

[spiral steeple]

I used to be a stinky arena player

[shrewd lantern]

if im bored enough i farm glad tabard

[spiral steeple]

Back in cata

[shrewd lantern]

cata 2k set is probably one of the best they made

ruthless

[oak maple]

what's the next haste breakpoint after 18%?

I got the alleria neck from timewalking and now my sim is going hard haste

[hazy breach]

Its roughly every 500-550 haste

[spiral steeple]

I hit 2100 in cata and quit before I could buy any of the gear lol

[shrewd lantern]

so you missed the best transmogs

[spiral steeple]

I did yeah

[oak maple]

hmm yeah there's no way this is hitting that

[spiral steeple]

Didn't start playing retail again for probably 14 years

[shrewd lantern]

well legion had some bangers too

[spiral steeple]

Guys should I have curry or chicken biryani for lunch

[swift tinsel]

biryani imo

[topaz rock]

Hey I just got back to Sub on an alt after week 1 of Midnight, wasn't there some optimization where you'd press SS on full CP in Shadowdance, when Apex isn't up and at 6 or more shadow technique?
Is that gone or am I just not finding it anywhere

[dry flame]

wait, how is it possible there are only 2 rogue logs on Midnight Falls HC?

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[sharp peak]

anyone making a 3rd myth craft if their only other myth piece was from vault?

[azure thicket]

just vibes based but not using a macro for the guidon optimzation in single target can cause you to lose globals/have issue lining up the second sec tec

[topaz rock]

thank uuu

[azure thicket]

not always but definitely have had to pause using spenders to have a 6+ sec tec ready during etc

[woven tendon]

Could be an unnecessary question but the the 650'ish haste breakpoint is including the oils or nope

[swift zinc]

hello sub rouge geeks is it worth too craft a neck 285 with haste mastery ??

should be no ?

[tribal vortex]

you can also get the PvP one

it's good for sub

I am contemplating doing it

[swift zinc]

whats the pvp one ?

[hushed roost]

typo on the ilvl

[swift zinc]

ah okay where casn i get it ?

[split wagon]

This has probably been asked, so I apologize. Is there a reason DSlice sims always push me out of Haste into Crit? I submitted my load out at 18% haste against 4 new items and all of them were having me drop the haste for Crit

[hushed roost]

its like a 4 week long

[split wagon]

Nothing special gear wish, 255 no sets yet

[hazy breach]

Do all of these

[hushed roost]

yeah that thing

[swift zinc]

ahhh okay thanks guys

this is not worth ?

[latent plover]

Does anybody else feel like they're barely getting value out of the First Dance in M+?

[swift zinc]

can craft it 285

[hushed roost]

hard to know without knowing all the other shit applicable to you i.e. raid etc

[latent plover]

since everybody chains so fast?

[keen dome]

You can, but you can also get a very well statted Hero neck for free from PvP.

[latent plover]

and so many dungeons keep you in combat with random shit?

[lucid jackal]

The alternative is very low value

[swift zinc]

allright guys thank you +

[keen dome]

So getting the free neck and using the Myth crests on something else is a better effiency

[latent plover]

yeah it's kinda sad

[swift zinc]

mhm mhm i understand thank you geeks

[lucid jackal]

U guys are always so glass half empty lmao

[keen dome]

Proud geek

[lucid jackal]

First dance doesn't need a lot of activation to be a high value talent

[keen dome]

That's okay, I've got enough full glasses for everyone.

[dry flame]

anything good from vault ? @keen dome

[keen dome]

It was this or Myth helm and I decided this was better since it comes 6/6.

[dry flame]

not too shabby!

[keen dome]

And I had a champ neck

[hushed roost]

that shit is realy good

and super contested

[lucid jackal]

It's been over

[keen dome]

the proc is fucking terrible but it's a really nicely statted neck and a ton of crests saved

[dry flame]

im now forever in box prison 'till end of season

[swift tinsel]

230 haste will make gearing in other slots less restrictive

[keen dome]

oh noooo

he's in puzzle prison

the second worst kind of prison

[hushed roost]

myth helm for me sims lower than a socketed hero helm that I catalyzed

so

[keen dome]

I just need rings and I'm Done with everything but hero crests

and I'm pretty sure I'm done with those next reset

Maybe two resets

[dry flame]

neck/wrist still Champ for me

[shrewd lantern]

my sim wants to craft boots

[swift tinsel]

I got flooded with 1/6 hero and like 1 3/6 hero pieces so I had to dump a lot of crests into the hero tier slots I got

[keen dome]

Yeah

[dry flame]

i didnt even sim, i just straight sent boots, crit haste so i can use on all 3 specs

[hushed roost]

same for .3% upgrade for 100k gold

[keen dome]

Nice, good idea.

[shrewd lantern]

100k

[keen dome]

I got hero boots in my first vault.

[shrewd lantern]

what the helly

[hushed roost]

probably less now

probably like half

actually

LOL

[strange chasm]

wdym echo is playing a rogue 10 full ilvls below their entire raid on Bel rn

[swift tinsel]

mats are a rollercoaster in costs

[hushed roost]

but you know what i mean

[keen dome]

I'm catalysting my boots on my next charge

Why, you may ask? Transmog.

[swift tinsel]

I honestly might do this too

[shrewd lantern]

we actually feel decent on bel

or im tripping

idk

[alpine wraith]

man the midnight falls neck tho

[dry flame]

Incredibly based ngl

[alpine wraith]

problem is when we get that in M tier is over

XDDDD

but hey

[keen dome]

they're not even bad

[swift tinsel]

I'm keeping pocket cata charges for myth and sending boots if I get a charge beyond those

[alpine wraith]

they are very decent

[swift tinsel]

so one more charge lol

[shrewd lantern]

is the falls neck even better

idk if socket>cosmos proc

[alpine wraith]

has extra socket

[keen dome]

It's def better long-term I imagine

[alpine wraith]

they are almost equal in st but mastery neck goes hard in 1t+

[swift tinsel]

both neck and ring have 2x

[dry flame]

gotta not waste that dagger drop

[keen dome]

alleria neck proc is fucking terrible

from a +10 Skyreach

[shrewd lantern]

its like 0.2% iirc

[alpine wraith]

yea alleria neck is st

[swift tinsel]

yeah in ST its like...iirc 150k on 19mil

[keen dome]

It's free damage but it's neligable

[alpine wraith]

the ring combo at least splashes

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah combo does like 0.5%

which isnt bad

[hushed roost]

bro walk around all day you wont find 150k damage onthe floor

its all good guys

[keen dome]

haha

[shrewd lantern]

for being rings you’d want

[keen dome]

I mean, free dam is free dam, I'm not complaining. It's just the reason to get the Crown neck is def the statting and not the proc.

[hushed roost]

yeah

[swift tinsel]

yeah its statted quite nicely

[keen dome]

(I am complaining)

[frigid canopy]

i did a sim, and its saying emberwing "lowchance" doesnt work, and defaulted to 10%, is that about right? or is there an apl for it?

[swift zinc]

i got last question i only get this pvp neck after 4 weeks ?

[swift tinsel]

is it bad that I wasn't excited to take guidon in vault

[alpine wraith]

no you just need to do the 4 quests

[shrewd lantern]

i also have the delve highest stat proc trinket

[keen dome]

Guidon is such a weird trinket.

[shrewd lantern]

and it sims low for me rn because my mastery is lower than my haste

[swift zinc]

ahh okay

[shrewd lantern]

and random haste proc is kind of poopy

[swift tinsel]

its like the least hype I've ever been for a bis trinket at a decent level

since its hero track

[keen dome]

haha

Yeah

[hushed roost]

guido trinket is fire

[shrewd lantern]

276 crusader keepsake

[hushed roost]

https://tenor.com/view/jersey-shore-fist-pump-pauly-d-jerzday-gif-5170844

[shrewd lantern]

loses to 263 crucible

[keen dome]

I just want to get rid of

It's so bad.

[swift tinsel]

was more excited for the Warband-bound Champ Gaze I got in the mail lol

[keen dome]

It's so bad it's big proc doesn't seem to even work right.

[shrewd lantern]

i got this on myth

[swift tinsel]

yeah I got that on the dh

[shrewd lantern]

its outsimmed by voidstorm

btw

[keen dome]

It's an agility stat stick that may, sometimes, do damage.

[swift tinsel]

have not used it yet lol

[hushed roost]

crucible is so fucking broken man

[swift tinsel]

the concept of damage

[red flame]

2 of those dropped when we killed Chimaerus on heroic last night

[keen dome]

This is the tooltip for the big proc it's meant to do.

Spot the problem.

[swift tinsel]

no fucking way

hahahahahahahahaha

[keen dome]

I can assume Blizz assigned the wrong tooltip to it and it isn't.. actually doing that proc

[swift tinsel]

those are some nice wraps you got there

[shrewd lantern]

they will turbo buff

and suddenly its bis

[keen dome]

Haha probably

[swift tinsel]

this game is so stupid lmao

[keen dome]

I've not seen a gaze drop yet

[shrewd lantern]

havent seen a guidon drop

[keen dome]

I've not killed Hero birb yet tohugh so maybe I get a plume

[red flame]

We’ve had 1 drop across normal & hero

[swift tinsel]

we've had one normal guidon drop

and the survival hunter got it

[red flame]

Also this

[swift tinsel]

nothing makes sense

[red flame]

Literally a singular guidon on norm last night

[swift tinsel]

ours was on the first normal kill

[shrewd lantern]

ideally i pull mythic gaze

[keen dome]

I wonder how puggable Imperator is this week

[shrewd lantern]

out of vault

[keen dome]

Mythic Imperator i mean

[swift tinsel]

should have the damage

[keen dome]

Yeah. The mechanic change doesn't look so bad.

[swift tinsel]

everyone should be mostly guaranteed 4pc unless they got exceedingly unlucky the last two weeks

[keen dome]

Although on his own it's not as good. I dunno if Saladbar or Voraius are realistic pug targets yet, I've not looked at either.

[swift tinsel]

ye doing a 2 boss run for vault would be nice but I haven't looked at either

[jaunty heath]

are we back with perfecto progging phoenix

or its ragebait again

[keen dome]

The other choice would be Chimarius and lol lmao pugging that

[night sparrow]

Hey guys, about guidon. Isn't it just better to make a macro /cast Shadowstrike /use Guidon, so during opener you are sure to have 1sec delay before sending burst, and otherwise it acts like a simple guidon button ?

I see no cons doing that

[hollow spear]

It's fine to do that

[night sparrow]

More than fine, isn't it simply better ?

so you're not here like "oh shit I hope 1sec has passed since I pressed guidon otherwise my first dance is fucked"

this way guidon is always activated 1sec before sending everything

[swift tinsel]

someone talked about doing that a while ago, idr what came of it

but you can do it if you want

[night sparrow]

That's what I thought ty. But more than that, not using this macro really seems non optimal

[indigo gorge]

Not sure whether to take a heroic gaze or myth chest (gaze sims 2% higher) - any advice?

[torpid snow]

Isnt this a SIM trap? Is it really that good?

[hollow spear]

Well, this macro only works once during your opener

[normal compass]

Yes

[vivid drift]

versa or mastery in aa?

[night sparrow]

But otherwise it acts the same as a Guidon button

so I see 0 reason to not use it

[red flame]

Mastery or Haste if you don’t have enough, I think

In AA

[swift tinsel]

then use it

[hazy breach]

No never get haste in academy

Get vers or mastery

[red flame]

Fr I’m lost on the point here

[torpid snow]

Is it enough if I just eat food from Primary?

[red flame]

Ah cool, I saw somebody earlier say Mastery or Haste if you’re not high enough

[hushed roost]

i miss being a no haste spec man

[pastel geyser]

Dwarf always for me. But it's small enough numbers that it doesn't matter much play what you want

[hazy breach]

The haste doesnt work for shadow dance

[hushed roost]

my hands fucking hurt after m+

[hazy breach]

As its not rating

[night sparrow]

Haptics acting soflty offensive as usual, what a pleasure

[normal compass]

Panda doubles that bonus

[red flame]

Ahh gotcha, that makes a lot of sense then

So it’s a trap basically

[swift tinsel]

"softly offensive as usual" I do not know who you are

[keen dome]

lmao what

[red flame]

Haptics is one of the nicer ppl in here from what I’ve seen

I’m so lost

[keen dome]

Same

I think a macro like that is completely pointless and achieves nothing.

[night sparrow]

I oftently see passiv agressiv answers from him, but that might be me

[swift tinsel]

I'll try harder, see the error of my ways

[dusk blaze]

what tier pieces do we prefer?

[swift tinsel]

(does that fit the script I'm new to this)

I merely pointed out that you can use that macro if you see fit

[normal compass]

Not pants

I think

[swift tinsel]

I can't help it if that bothers you

[red flame]

I think it’s bc nobody is glazing his macro

Tbh

[swift tinsel]

because I don't see it as some big revelatory thing

[crystal bone]

panda is bae

[swift tinsel]

as others pointed out, it doesn't really benefit beyond the opener

[crystal bone]

panda stonks

[keen dome]

It's also just removing 1 extra button.. by adding another button.

[night sparrow]

I mean the macro is obviously better than going guidon button alone, and you go sure bud. That's what I call slightly agressiv

there's 0 mathematic reason to not use it

anyway

[swift tinsel]

its a thumbs-up emoji

[red flame]

sblades macro -> wait 1 sec literally -> dance macro

[swift tinsel]

but continue reading into it as far as you'd like

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[keen dome]

It's completely and utterly pointless as a macro and achieves nothing. If you want to use it, do it. But it isn't an imporvement over just pushing Guidon and waiting 1 second.

[night sparrow]

this macro autopress guidon 1.01 second before sending your burst and avoid sending it like 0.9sec before burst and taking the useless risk of not having deepening shadows updated

[west pond]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-bait-baiting-bass-fishing-gif-2140444873906627680

[lilac stag]

Soooo what are you doing with full cp and 5 sht stacks at 90 seconds with your trinket macro?

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[night sparrow]

Nothing, that's what I stated lmao. It's an opener button, and acts like a guidon button the rest of the fight

[lilac stag]

You really need an opener button?

[red flame]

So a macro literally for the 1 opener ability

Holy

You actually cannot make ts up guys

[night sparrow]

there's no reason to not do it

[lilac stag]

you do you, but I’ll pass

[red flame]

There’s no reason to do it

[night sparrow]

unless you're lazy enough to open the macro menu lmfao

[west pond]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[lilac stag]

reason enough is I can see a flag drop and count to 1

[somber cedar]

Guys I roll my face on the keyboard and parse pretty well, no need for a macro

[lilac stag]

and I’m blind

[keen dome]

That's my tactic too

[swift tinsel]

flagged as softly offensive

[night sparrow]

Why don't you also not macro dance+sectec, I mean I'm able to press 2 button at the exact same time

[sullen bridge]

hmm myth puzzle box vs. hero guidon?

[night sparrow]

🥸

[red flame]

So then do it, nobody is stopping you

[keen dome]

I don't macro dance + sectec.

[lilac stag]

one timing is dealing with coup.
one is dealing with an inability to count to 1 internally.

[keen dome]

There's no need to do it.

[red flame]

Fr tho

[lilac stag]

and you’ll still fuck yup dance + Sectech if you send it offgcd

or are too far away

[somber cedar]

I guess we just play outlaw to avoid this macro

[warm marlin]

the only problem i see with ur macro is that you might press your dance/blades/sectec macro slightly early/late because once you hit guidon you're kind of on that 1s clock

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/hitmans-bodyguard-hitmans-bodyguard-gi-fs-samuel-l-jackson-time-tick-tock-gif-8352665

[warm marlin]

if you press strike guidon manually, you can dance/blades/sectec slightly before 1s and its ok, you just slightly risk not getting the dance duration update, but with that macro you would lose the dance uptime due to being on gcd as well

[lilac stag]

either way. bliz fix ds
buff rogue
Fuck range

[keen dome]

Give us rogue tank

[restive stream]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[lilac stag]

It’ll turn us into WW and never see a raid spot as dps

[swift tinsel]

stackable Restless Crew

[keen dome]

I'm gonna keep wishing for it.

[swift tinsel]

you'll see a dozen rogues in raid overnight

[keen dome]

And if it happens, you may tell me you told me so

[night sparrow]

Thanks I see your point. I don't see how is it different from guidon manually pressed tho ? Imo it allows us to send guidon 0.001sec after you get out of stealth at pull, and the sooner you send guidon, the sooner you get full benefits from updated deepening shadows

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-standing-on-business-one-man-army-gif-4121904883616631768

Bro defending the macro

[night sparrow]

e.g. to be sure deepening shadows is updated, you wanna send you burst with a little delay to make sure

I'm not defending, I'm just stating and asking how is it worse. At least Ryldd is adult enough to explain his PoV instead of trolling 🙂

[warm marlin]

in my opinion it's just adding a little increased risk of screwing things up by hitting your other spells while still on gcd, just manually hitting it avoids that

[azure thicket]

🥪

[red flame]

Welcome to the Rogue discord

[azure thicket]

nah at 200 ping it gets mean

[warm marlin]

in the grand scheme of things delaying cds 0.5s per usage is not usually gonna be a big deal unless timers are really tight

which they can be!

[azure thicket]

i should macro but also just pause

is worth learning imo

[keen dome]

Just 1 missiipiniiipi

[lilac stag]

Give me swirly ball or give me death.

[azure thicket]

yeah shadow dance sometimes gains time sometimes sec tec cd gets affected

[warm marlin]

I think people are generally a little harsher online to questions than they should be, even when it's really obvious stuff like asking faq questions if I wouldn't be able to answer it without a bit of snark I just don't answer takes some practice though

[azure thicket]

i suck at parrying stuff in dark souls games for the record

[lilac stag]

it also helps when people are receptive to feedback and not assuming someone is trolling due to a thumbs up

[swift tinsel]

Pontiff takes note of this

[night sparrow]

tbf it seems more like a sub channel thing, idk if that's the fact sub was one of the hardest spec before midnight, and there's like some inapprorpiate elitism

[azure thicket]

you can't plunge the blender demons :b

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-lake-of-mud-minimobster-fantasy-action-rpg-gif-17884152

[lilac stag]

Yes we’re so elite here. All 12 of us.

[warm marlin]

I think assa is way worse but experiences can vary

outlaw was real bad at one point too

[night sparrow]

Sin and outlaw aren't as edge lordish as sub channel is

[lilac stag]

Don’t even get started on outlaw

[swift tinsel]

what

[keen dome]

This channel is typically very helpful but you immediately decided someone was being passive aggresive. That's going to put people on the wrong foot immediately.

[night sparrow]

I know that was mb and shouldn't have

[red flame]

Especially when it’s one of the nicer ppl here

[azure thicket]

no it's already labelled

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel can you please be more aggressive and less passive to avoid future confusion

[swift tinsel]

fuck you

[lilac stag]

perfect

[swift tinsel]

(am I doing this right)

hell yeah

[lilac stag]

usually im the short tempered one

[swift tinsel]

the funny thing is I usually keep things pretty reined in compared to how I could be but eh

[lilac stag]

I need a new asshole in here

[red flame]

[swift tinsel]

decade of kitchen work you just kinda reflex things lol

[keen dome]

I complained in-game that I wasn't getting rings and now I keep looting Vet rings. The one kind of ring I don't need.

[swift tinsel]

little give, little take

[lilac stag]

herd

https://tenor.com/view/rebelmediahu-fidesz-orban-fideszvodor-fideszvödör-gif-4073260108632434409

[keen dome]

yes chef

[fiery fog]

do i craft legs or ring guys

[lilac stag]

I did ring

[keen dome]

Do you wanna live in the Nexus mines or the pit mines

[fiery fog]

with ring craft i would nicely sit on 694 haste

[keen dome]

(or neither you could craft both)

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/beyonce-ring-singe-ladies-put-a-ring-on-it-gif-350882668658766658

[sweet moss]

lads what yall crafting 3rd

[lilac stag]

sitting on 2 vet rings it was obv

[keen dome]

I'm bias'd and want people to craft rings though because I craft the rings and make gold.

[fiery fog]

well im full hero + some myth tracks

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/special-well-isnt-that-special-dana-carvey-church-lady-snl-gif-5491309

[fiery fog]

i dont trust mr simbot these times

[lilac stag]

do you raidbots?

[fiery fog]

he doesnt like haste

[swift tinsel]

Pit is a mine so I'll take that one

plus I love that dungeon lol

[lilac stag]

get to threshold or set it to 700

[fiery fog]

"you have 650+ haste? better get rid of any haste related item and every 5vers cloak is a 49861684k upgrade!" ~Raidbots probably

[lost grotto]

is there a macro to switch between shadowstrike and backstab?

[frosty bramble]

Shadow strike only available in dance or stealth so just best to add backstab to your stealth bar imo

[bronze nimbus]

I came here to ask about raidbots sim but it looks like it's a known issue

[hollow spear]

If you get the pvp neck you don't need pit, or what else is in there?

[fiery fog]

its really only pit, rep, alleria, craft neck

and lura maybe

[lilac stag]

What issue?

[mossy spruce]

It doesnt realise we need 700 haste no?

[bronze nimbus]

I'm pretty sure I lost 10k dps on sim after getting my 4 set

[lilac stag]

It does.

[wintry heart]

My only option is to be short on haste or like 100 over the cap so I guess we’re over the cap

[mossy spruce]

How important is 700 haste? I got a 16ilvl belt upgrade, went from 700 to 660 haste but sim went up

[lilac stag]

More agility more better. You’re still within the gcd gain for the robot

[vale pine]

you typically want 650-700 haste

because of imput latancy

and human error

[shell jewel]

660 with ~20 ping is still chill

[rain hull]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[vale pine]

sim often wants slightly lower

[restive venture]

how nutty is this, its from timewalking

[swift tinsel]

looks pretty good

[crystal bone]

rng haste proc is kinda weak tho

[fallow ingot]

looking good

[crystal bone]

i'd rather control the haste

with guidon , etc

[swift tinsel]

alternative Heart of Wind

depending on the proc rate, the longer duration seems okay

twice as much haste it looks like too

[modest snow]

can't parse with that kill time

[swift tinsel]

rip

gratz on the kill tho

[lilac stag]

@vale pine does the haste override line work in droptimizer correctly?

[vale pine]

no

[grave parcel]

Is the ring set bonus from nexus worth using for us?

[mossy spruce]

i see, thanks!

[vale pine]

overwriting your haste to be always a certain value

means any haste gear you use

will be bad

so dropoptimizer or top gear will give you results of removing haste obviousely

[lilac stag]

Well you could run both and make a manual comparison

I meant does the line actually work if you drop it in expert mode

[vale pine]

i mean

[quartz prism]

is backstab on first dance still a thing for dance macabre? or is that bad now. couldnt find much aboout it in the faq

[vale pine]

i don't know what you try to do

but if you want to have 700 haste always

[night sparrow]

Oh is the 2nd dance for the 8 remaining seconds of blades a recent thing ? I'm pretty sure I recently saw something like dance+finisher>filler>sectec 2 seconds (or 2.2 if coup up) before sec tec comes back

[vale pine]

you just add a 700 haste enchant to a shirt or so

[night sparrow]

or am I high

[pastel geyser]

Nope dance mcabre doesn't stack like that anymore

[vale pine]

or one specific item you won't replace which has no enchants

the result is still scuffed

because you will always have 700 more haste than in game if you do that

so i don't know what the practical application of it is

[lilac stag]

Does gear_haste_rating=x work in advanced droptimizer

[hazy breach]

Yes but then it will select items with literally 0 haste always

So its kinda moot

[grand galleon]

got offered 5M, should I sell?

[vale osprey]

Absolutely lmao

[keen dome]

that's a lotta gold

[lilac stag]

well it was saying guildon mythic was a 176 dps loss over champ level via droptimizer.

[azure thicket]

heart of wind trinket on roids?

[keen dome]

I'd take the deal

[lilac stag]

had to manually add it to top gear.

[grave parcel]

Guys thoughts on the ommission/occulsion ring set?

worth for us or are we better off stacking more mastery

[lilac stag]

I rather have higher ilv rings

you do you kinda thing.

[grave parcel]

yeah both are hero just wasn't sure how worth it the proc was for us

thanks for the insight

[shrewd lantern]

i mean myth mt ring lost to the set for me at 263

and the mt ring is one of the "better" rings you can get

maybe for aoe you can make a case for going heavier into mastery

crit is close to mastery on st iirc

[grave parcel]

guess its something i'll mess around with, just got the second ring so i was curious on peoples thoughts on them

[shrewd lantern]

on st they're definitely worth

aoe you can make a case to go for more mastery

[lilac stag]

I hate farming heroic loot.

just craft and be done.

[west tide]

yes dude lmfao

[keen dome]

But the brainworms. They won't allow me.

[azure thicket]

but the gold

that's more than average profession grinder makes in two weeks

[keen dome]

that's true

[shrewd lantern]

5m is already more than buying the boss

typically lmao

[keen dome]

It'll be enough to set you for the entire expansion

Possibly two

[shrewd lantern]

unless you do freak shit like buy myth boes

the first month

[keen dome]

Or buy battle pets

[azure thicket]

next week its gonna be a mil if you're lucky

[keen dome]

Ye

[shrewd lantern]

isnt guidon like

only good for sub

and dk

i swear every other spec its mid at best

[lilac stag]

veng

[shrewd lantern]

ok tanks dont count

[lilac stag]

sure they do when it’s a 2800 Dps for the tank vs a 600 Dps upgrade for a Dps

[azure thicket]

didn't look assumed it was gaze of alnseer on some ungodly track but havoc was hitting 700k in a 11 sott first pull

[shrewd lantern]

i swear most vdhs i see are

"i tank guild keys because our tanks dont play the game"

first 2-3 weeks

[keen dome]

most vdh's I see are dead on the ground in Algeth.

[shrewd lantern]

real

I love the mdi pull into abandon prompt

30 secs into key start

[azure thicket]

vanish circle cloak circle have a gamer who dispels circle

[keen dome]

it's timeless

Leap in, immediately one-shot from behind

[lusty narwhal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[azure thicket]

they also need ramp time to turn into a tank again afaiu

[restive venture]

apparently

[shrewd lantern]

its probably a terrible proc rate

[keen dome]

I'll never forget the time I saw it in DF. VDH's key. A +18 or something. He leaps into the first pull, instantly dies, drops a slur, and ragequits his own key.

[shrewd lantern]

that would be like 80% of s3 title vdhs

if they didnt have scales and last resort

ngl

[keen dome]

+18 in the old scaling, so a +8

Maybe that's why I want rogue tank spec. So I can be the comedy person in keys

[hushed roost]

bruh of course its guidon from the timewalking quest...

[fiery fog]

im torn between leg and ring craft
ring would get me to 698 haste
legs to 655 haste though more mainstat
do i just throw a coin?

[keen dome]

Leg would get you transmog

[fiery fog]

[keen dome]

For the Midnight crafted set

they're pretty nice legs.

Very flat ass though, so a solid 6/10.

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-pointing-pointing-finger-car-wheel-gif-2572264087411888860

this guy coming along with transmog

[keen dome]

You've gotta consider all the angles

[shrewd lantern]

i like the black version of that mask

weird that its a grey

and the pants arent black too

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's cool

[shrewd lantern]

bruh

why couldnt it all be the same color

[keen dome]

Yeah..

[shrewd lantern]

these sets look weird imo

[keen dome]

I need one more reset and I can swap to my new outfit

[shrewd lantern]

if you arent an elf

of sorts

[keen dome]

I really like the new tier's Myth colorus

[shrewd lantern]

I made a dark ranger impression

i dont have any of the bandolier style backpieces lol

[keen dome]

Very good

I think the bandolier backpieces look terrible

the quivers look much better

[shrewd lantern]

the mfo chest/legs are really good

to cook with

[keen dome]

Yeah

I'm a little sad I got lazy and didn't get the S3 Elite set

[shrewd lantern]

i forgot the color on that

but also

should carry a bow for rp value

pretend its classic

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

You'll be able to sheath stuff in multiple spots soon

[shrewd lantern]

tbh i always liked the antorus set belts

looks like a utility belt

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's great.

I'm looking forward to ghostblades on the hip

[shrewd lantern]

i considered doing them

or maybe i should go for a sword/something else offhand

idk what would match a ranger theme more

[keen dome]

Sword + dagger is cool

Very Ranger

I'm gonna be having a Sword MH and a Dagger OH, with the sword sheathing in the back

It looks really good

[shrewd lantern]

i feel sword oh aesthetically would fit more?

idk

[brittle flax]

Bizarre question, but on Dungeon bosses that are two target cleave are we Shuriken storm Bp'ing, single targetting one of the mobs or a mixture?

[keen dome]

maybe. I'm left-handed so it just makes me happy, haha

[swift tinsel]

parry dagger

[fleet acorn]

is the neck warbound 1 time?

[stone vessel]

should I really do 4pc even with champion gear?

[keen dome]

Yes, because having 4P unlocks an achievement that allows catalyst charges to drop from a myriad of content.

[vital ocean]

yes, once you get 4pc you can farm catalyst charges from raid/dungeons

[vital ocean]

jinx

[keen dome]

Teamwork

[sacred jewel]

#subtlety-faq should answer your question under the rotation section. I assume you have potent powder skilled, which means on 2 targets you’d

• shadowstrike > evi/BP during SD
• Shuriken > evi/bp without SD
  evi or BP depends on whether you need prio dmg or not

[faint hemlock]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[oblique apex]

hey, what u think about Matrix Restabilizer for sub rouge? ❤️

[dusty totem]

Per chacaracter yeah i think so

[radiant swift]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[opal basalt]

there we go

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[lean sigil]

single target on the new bosses?

[mossy spruce]

one thing i dont understand, do we hold SD if sectech is like 10 sec cd left? or do we just send SD on cooldown and only hold it when SB is close to coming

[opal basalt]

we hold

dont wanna hold blades

[mossy spruce]

we only send SD if sectec is up?

[wide ravine]

Hey, i guess the choice is obsious, no ? x) https://imgur.com/ChUp3hr

[swift tinsel]

ye

outside of 2nd dance in blades, that's a unique case

bc you want to fit 2x dances in blades

so sometimes you end up holding blades for a bit to ensure that

[shrewd lantern]

that's a dagger angle

unless you kill m vora and wanna hold

[wide ravine]

Ah ? i have more the trinket in my mind 😮

[shrewd lantern]

its only heroic

[stable plume]

wep usually biggest increase but u can get myth wep earlyo n in mythic. Up to u

[wide ravine]

yes, i never do mm raid so :/

[cyan saddle]

if you already have 19% haste, is it worth running Guidon?

[swift tinsel]

yes

[shrewd lantern]

That's even more reason to take weapon lol....

[drifting elbow]

Hi, how do you sim to have exactly 700 haste on raidbot ? Is there a trick ? Because raidbot sims at 600-650 as you know 🙁

[swift tinsel]

you run guidon regardless of your haste if you can

its not factored into the haste breakpoint goal

[cyan saddle]

gotcha i assume its enough to fit at least one more gcd into the SD?

[swift tinsel]

ye

[cyan saddle]

ok sick

thanks!

[swift tinsel]

makes it so you can send a second sectech in blades and second supercharged in lust

[cyan saddle]

and is it safe to macro right before SD?

[swift tinsel]

preferably not macroed and just hit a second before you hit dance macro

[cyan saddle]

ok thanks!

its nice that it lines up with blades

[swift tinsel]

season 2 will be interesting with access to more haste and losing the 4pc blades extension

will go back to back-to-back dancing and wishing for free sectech in dance/blades

[hazy breach]

Hopefully we get a set that does something

[swift tinsel]

yeah

if the tier set gives free sectech from dance they can segue that into Imp Sectech talent node lol

I just hope it isn't some generic Troll flavor thing

like you summon voodoo gnomes to attack your target during dance

[keen dome]

Bring back the voodoo gnome trinket

[stuck arrow]

TBH I prefer when set is kinda weak.

I always hate when performance gated so much by drops. If you lucky you look like a god, if you not welcome to blue parse villle.

[swift tinsel]

I want the Spark of Zandalar if anything

[keen dome]

5 gold says it's two SecTec charges

[swift tinsel]

make me troll man

[swift tinsel]

this would go so hard I'd pay double

[wicked fox]

Hi, does enchants and gems upgrade dps by alot? I'm starting the game and I hesitate to buy a token for gold, I'd like to start Mythic Raid so I'd like to know if it upgrades dmg by alot

like more than 10%?

[stuck arrow]

But prolly we'll get a good set like always. I think they try to minimize PVP aura nerfs, and one way they do that is by tuning sub weak without set and then giving stronger set.

[keen dome]

If you want to raid Mythic, you really do need to be gemmed / enchanted. You don't have to buy the most expensive, but the gains are considerable enough to warrant having everything enchanted / filled.

[naive creek]

How are people getting sockets on helm and bracers? Did they skip both vaults or is there another way?

[swift tinsel]

they tune pvp and pve separately

[mossy spruce]

thanks! 😄

[keen dome]

They can just roll with one on acquisition

[naive creek]

Oh sick rng. Can that rng happen if you catalyst?

[swift tinsel]

only if the base piece had a socket

it cannot randomly create one

[wicked fox]

I mean I have no gold so I'd like to know if it upgrades my dps by alot cuz if I can't get good parses even with gems and enchants it might not be worth my 20euros

[keen dome]

I'd recommend starting with Normal into Heroic. Do WQ's to get gold, etc. Work your way up and try to get basic enchants (Rank 1, the little silver icon, which will be a lot cheaper).

You don't need to buy a token.

[stuck arrow]

It's a lot a lot.

Like probably 25% all in between chest / pants / rings / weapons.

[wicked fox]

ty for you answer! that's what I wanted to hear haha

[glass jackal]

If I’m human, taking into account the 2% bonus stats, what am I aiming for haste wise? Still 700?

[vagrant pine]

with the trickster macro, will SecTec miss out on SB? thought SB wanted to be between SD and SecTec

[remote rapids]

seeing a few recent logs with the Guidon trinket, looking like trinket+blades+pot > then dance + sectec? can we run it via one big macro or maybe two? one for blades+trinket+pot, then other for dance+sectec?

[swift tinsel]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[weak flame]

!craft

[stuck arrow]

Depends a bit on ilvl. At low ilvl is like 25%. At gear maxed might be more like 10%.

[wicked fox]

265 rn

[stuck arrow]

Regardless though - difference between a 99 parse and a blue parse on a lot of fights.

[swift tinsel]

it is not recommended to macro them all together

[shrewd monolith]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[remote rapids]

ok, just looked like some people had the trinket and blades together in the logs they were cast almost exactly at same time, maybe suuuuper fingers

[swift tinsel]

they might just for convenience

you lose a bit of blades uptime that way

ideally you'd guidon->wait 1 sec->blades/dance/sectech

and then snapshot guidon extension with second dance in blades

[ashen grove]

whats the best third craft for sub

?

[stuck arrow]

I think blades with trinket is kinda bad but not terrible terrible. Lose a blades gcd.

That said - pot should be it's own button. Lots of times you want to pot in weird times.

I'd recommend if you really button capped to have dance blades SecTec together then pot & Guidon separate.

[remote rapids]

true, I always have my pot on a button, was just looking at some of the top mythic logs from yesterday and today and saw things looked like they were on a bit of a macro

[stuck arrow]

But I'd put blades on its own button too, personally. Sometimes in M+ you want to send a SecTec but not blades.

[swift tinsel]

its fine to have sectech and dance in your blades bind

since you always use those together

[pulsar cape]

Can i use 2 crafted daggers?

[hazy breach]

You can

[swift tinsel]

not ideally

[pulsar cape]

2 of the same?

[hazy breach]

But its no ideal

[stuck arrow]

avoids losing big blades damage to downtimem

[stuck arrow]

Oh, yeah. Lol this true.

[pulsar cape]

is there a bis dagger?

[swift tinsel]

theres a few you can get at myth track that are very close to each other

2nd boss raid, Skyreach, Pit, Nexus Point

[stuck arrow]

I actually have SecTec & dance macro'd lol. I recommend that unless you doing DS.

[pulsar cape]

so what else can we use

crafted wise

[swift tinsel]

belt, bracers, legs, rings, depends on what you have and what you want to farm/wait for

neck

just be mindful that arcanoweave can only go in non-jewelry slots