subtlety

[viscid kraken]

think orc is meta right?

[plush roost]

Panda, orc, mechagnome probably all safe

Dwarf for m+ most likely

Panda is numerically "best"

[simple locust]

i keep forgetting, what is it about pandas, do they double food?

[lime wigeon]

Yeah

Also they bis since the bouncy

[plush roost]

50 extra agi crwzy

[lime wigeon]

Pandas are almost always strong in early expansions. Moreso after squishes

[keen dome]

Great animations, too

[lime wigeon]

They used to be better tbh

They removed not sure if it was evis or envenom

[lilac stag]

With dropping casts in keys you should

[sweet moss]

wont catch me lookin like a panda bro

[hazy breach]

Panda male bis visually

[sweet moss]

being a fat chud?

[hazy breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/384115523677585408/1488855520684015766/image.png?ex=69ce4c41&is=69ccfac1&hm=dd8ddd6bd5d54600337e52722915e0c85432984b8283b88fd454ccd361fdfbf1&

[jaunty heath]

i like panda female

[lime wigeon]

Outside any progress I've been female red panda since mop

[sweet moss]

HOLY chud

[simple locust]

is the 2 ring set with avoidance worth pursuing? i got the hast versa ring in vault alongside a myth prism and a crit vers cloak that i can catalyst into mastery/vers one :/

[plush roost]

Idk my nE period was exclusively my assa and outlaw arc

[keen dome]

I love panda /lean

[lime wigeon]

The 50% fall damage with safefall makes you survive the most extreme falls

[keen dome]

It's great

[lime wigeon]

Female panda serving animation in arcantina is great too

[red flame]

Why need panda when you can just carry gliders

(For fall dmg not the food buff point)

[lime wigeon]

Because you want to get down and not slowfall

[lilac stag]

so did catlike reflexes. Fublizz

[lime wigeon]

Catlike reflexes was so good

Sub artifact tree had the oddest decisions

[lilac stag]

literally dive bombing people in world PvP

so amazing

[lime wigeon]

Like one talent gave 20% dodge. Another talent gave 50% dodge and immunity to fall damage tacked on. Like what

(Not exact numbers)

[lilac stag]

they’ve always been at a loss for sub talents

so many dead fillers or just broken

[lime wigeon]

I had no issues with giving dodge. That's great.
But that the stronger talents had an extra effect tacked on rather than the weaker talent was just odd

Ghost armor was deeper into the tree as well. 1 node deeper

[keen dome]

I miss you, Catlike

What glory it was

[crystal bone]

[lime wigeon]

Water running sprint

Or even better, burst of speed. That was the real best rogue times

[limpid sage]

that was so broken in pvp

[lime wigeon]

Insane that it broke snares in pvp

In addition to being 100% uptime

[limpid sage]

yes I have no clue why they put that on a spammable sprint xd

[keen dome]

BRING IT BACK. Why doesn't it exist still. Aaaa.

[fiery fog]

dks have this now

they take everything from us

[limpid sage]

could just open -> burn their defensives -> guarantee reset -> open again

[lime wigeon]

I don't feel it would be too strong for rogues to have like 200% movement speed and water running base in stealth in addition to having sprint.

[keen dome]

Yeah

It's cool

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior mesa]

Is a leg craft viable? Or would it be more wise to craft a neck (until I get the one from Alleria)

[fiery fog]

ill wait for pit legs to drop to decide whether i craft legs ring or neck

[lime wigeon]

Without checking it up, almost certainly that you'd get enough sparks to run out of upgrades before you get crests for those extra 4 ilvl

If you do any raiding, so you're getting mythic drops that is

[junior mesa]

Just heroic raiding and m+ for me, so was thinking legs may be a better fit for the +agi boost and I can pick my stats

[tribal vortex]

Guys now with 4 set and guidon mythic when i open with first dance i have secret technique in the middle of my first dance

should i send and send another one 10 sec later?

so 3 secret techniques ?

[fathom adder]

what does the 1:30 cd haste trinket "do" with those ~ 600 haste? Am i able to use sectec back to back buffed with supercharger during double dance instead of doing double dance + blades with 1 sectec + the 3rd dance asap after with sectec again?

[lime wigeon]

In general I give the advice of.. decide when you want the power boosts.
Saving and playing greedy to end up as strong as possible in the end is kind of useless if you're planning to play and push for just 4 weeks.

[lilac stag]

also slowing down raid progress if everyone is non stop holding

[keen dome]

I now don't have enough haste. The loot gives, the loot takes.

[lilac stag]

have you tried getting more haste?

[keen dome]

Maybe

Oh, I got a haste dagger on hero earlier. Haste resolved.

Now i have too much again.

[hearty steeple]

hey, what the 2nd crafted advised for M+ content ?

[lilac stag]

have you tried getting more haste MASTERY?

[keen dome]

Maybe

[lilac stag]

it's listed in guides, li;key pins as well.

[keen dome]

Without oils:

haha

[rigid marten]

My lowest piece of gear is cloak. Bad idea to craft one to 285?

[lilac stag]

embelishment isnt tht much, but it really depends on your gear and what is best use of crests

[rigid marten]

Kk I already have belt and weapon crafted

[lilac stag]

so you are looking at 3rd craft

not second

[rigid marten]

Yep

[lilac stag]

"hey, what the 2nd crafted advised"

[rigid marten]

Have champion 263 cloak everything else is hero

[lilac stag]

play around with your sims

[hearty steeple]

thats me not him !!

[torpid snow]

Why is this race so popular?

[lilac stag]

too many yellow in here

asking same quesdtions lol

[keen dome]

they eat better than everyone else and get +50 stat

[lilac stag]

back to outlaw with you HAHA

[short radish]

kinda racist but i dig it

[lilac stag]

i mean fight 8 in the raid is darks vs lights

what are we doing bliz

[weak vector]

[short radish]

our 100% not racist GM (probably the only one on FM) just dropped a "kill the darkie"

then 2 seconds later

"wait no not like that"

[lilac stag]

we may have had that happen as well

[short radish]

that boss is ultimate slur bait

[lilac stag]

WR 31 heroic kek

[short radish]

i fucked up that boss so hard

actual fumbled

i was trying a bunch of shit out

and held cooldowns

[lilac stag]

wait...

[short radish]

that was not smart

[fathom adder]

do you hold DN for inside dance even when it would be 4-5 seconds away or just send and take those that fall inside dance/cd window without aiming for it?

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-797109095501667511

[short radish]

got this on normal though

nobody else kill the boss please

so i can lock it in

[keen dome]

Nice

Too late Ikilled it twice

[velvet nova]

I'm losing my mind

Every time I jump in game, when I land I hear a sqeaking like a rubber duck. I took my gear off, I have no buffs or toys up, it still does that.

Help

[keen dome]

🫡

[short radish]

[keen dome]

April Fools day addon.

I don't know what one it is.

[short radish]

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-i-was-crazy-once-locked-me-in-a-room-a-rubber-room-a-rubber-room-with-rats-gif-16657349004158031608

[short radish]

aint no way

[keen dome]

I'm coming for your parse

[velvet nova]

I don't think it's an april fools because I'm 99% sure I heard it before

[short radish]

[keen dome]

so are the other 4 sub rogues in that kill

[lilac stag]

i was happy to get this on heroic. then saw the UDK did nearly 20k more dmg than me.

[keen dome]

Haha

I wonder how bad heroic bird is today..

[lilac stag]

i wouldnt want to pug it. the frame drops are bad too in 30 people

we dropped down to 25 to kill it

[azure thicket]

we're progging heroic crown

[keen dome]

My new PC is strong enough I don't get any. It's very nice.

[lilac stag]

WR 31 parse

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[lilac stag]

take that Echo

haha

[keen dome]

Did heroic feel noticeably hard?

[lilac stag]

it wasnt a push over

[keen dome]

How many cycles?

[lilac stag]

it'll get easier with gear

2

[keen dome]

Not too bad, then

I imagine pugs will do it in 3 or 4 (assuming there isn't an enrage)

[lilac stag]

i think it has to be in 2

after second its bezerker mode

[keen dome]

Oh, neat.

A hard DPS check.

[lilac stag]

the pug problem will be eating frontals and wiping raid

[fossil forge]

I need to chip in

[glacial stag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Absolutely. And people not looking at their colour

[mint swift]

It's fine wym

[keen dome]

I hate it

[mint swift]

You have to stand still for 2 seconds every 2 minutes

[lilac stag]

the pie chart arount the egg will fuck people up too

[mint swift]

Or is it like, super detrimental to sub cause it eats up CD timers or smth

[keen dome]

I don't like standing still

[lilac stag]

it's also not a 90

[velvet nova]

Ok I found the sqeaking addon

[mint swift]

It's 2 seconds
Once every 2 minutes

You'll be fine

[lilac stag]

once evey 3 minutes. do you even sub?

[keen dome]

I refuse to stand still

[mint swift]

No

[haughty mural]

yes

[fiery fog]

oh no! my two backstabs before going into cds!
what should i do with that loss

[mint swift]

That makes it even less of an issue though

If you want a unfun trinket, get transmitter

[lilac stag]

go back to SV. they got buffed... again

[mint swift]

I'm playing SV rn :D

[keen dome]

jump 3 times

[mint swift]

I just sometimes check places to see things

[keen dome]

I just don't like the cast time

So it is my enemy

[mint swift]

Fair but it's annoying in concept and fine in practice for me

[keen dome]

Yeah it's fine

It just SUCKS

[small vortex]

if i wanted to channel id play ranged

[opaque trail]

Guys when we play 2mn trinket, shall we wait 30s to use our shadow blades with it ?

then delay ?

[red flame]

You use 2min trinkets like 3min trinkets

[small vortex]

if play box you treat it like a 3 min trinket

and use every other blades

[lime wigeon]

Belo'ren looks like such a cozy fight to progress

[red flame]

I haven’t watched either of the new fights yet

[lime wigeon]

Perfecto has sub pov

[red flame]

Awesome

[mint swift]

How St is it

[lime wigeon]

Mostly ST with like maximum 2 adds for a short time

But almost all critical is ST

[void ocean]

wait

[mint swift]

Yipiee
Hog cranking time

[void ocean]

is this rogue in mythic

[lime wigeon]

Yes

[void ocean]

surely april fools

[lime wigeon]

Rogue should survive so well on progress in a fight like this

[finite crow]

good pull or nay?

[minor osprey]

on twitch or on yt

[lime wigeon]

Twitch, but they called break

I only have it on the side muted at work so idk what they are planning

https://www.twitch.tv/perfectogg

[void ocean]

lol that char roster

rogue, rogue, dh,rogue, rogue, dh, rogue

i should lvl a dh like a true rogue main

[minor osprey]

:DDDD

true you might even get to play the paladins that way

[unkempt oak]

What buff should sub be grabbing at start of Algathar Academy?

[minor osprey]

mastery or haste if you dont have enough

[jaunty heath]

i did 30 nexuses for ring set last week, i decided not to run set and crafted ring. Set ring all sudden dropped from first weekly 😄

[lime wigeon]

Just look how nice this boss plays. Will likely be my fav in a long time

[jaunty heath]

cant be me

[stuck tulip]

probably asked this shit 100x times here but do we craft 3rd item this week and what it is if i have dagger and belt 285

[void ocean]

Nexi*

[upbeat sorrel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[lime wigeon]

It's not nexi. That only applies to plurals of latin 2nd declension masculine words.

[void ocean]

so hows Nexus not fitting there

[lime wigeon]

Nexus would be a 4th declension

[void ocean]

u googlin this shit

i forgot past 2nd

[keen dome]

I propose we rename it Lothraxion's Tantrum Zone

[lime wigeon]

So nexuses or perhaps nexus would more correct

[void ocean]

i remember res, rei was like 5th

[lime wigeon]

F.ex difference between cactus, cacti. And sinus, sinuses

[void ocean]

but it has been like 25 years

[stone niche]

when simming, if i only care about m+, do i use dungeon slice? or is there a better custom option?

[chilly kite]

honestly that nexus set proc rate is ass, mine has done like no damage, does the proc get better with ilvl or always the same

[fossil forge]

lads i have 2 crafts and 1 spark i cant seem to find the second spark quest

any knowers

i did the world boss quest

[toxic carbon]

Just got Guidon, are we ok to macro it to Blades? Will it buff the dance I used immediately after?

[hazy lichen]

How come my sim doesn't follow this

[woeful barn]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-cant-see-this-funny-gif-14446155

[lusty relic]

hey guys, with puzzle box being a 2 min trinket how do we handle that with shadow blades? do we hold shadow blades for 30s to line up (i imagine not) or just send puzzle box on a random set of shadow dances/sectech 30s after shadow blades is cast?

[craggy quest]

You treat it as a 3 min

[lusty relic]

oh ok, so hold puzzle box for the next shadow blades, then?

[ionic python]

Guidon or set piece and end 4p ( i have 250 guidon atm)

[craggy quest]

Yea

[lusty relic]

ty

[toxic carbon]

Anyone?

[lime wigeon]

Sure it doesn't? Should be the 2nd shadow dance condition under actions.cds. What's the count of that for you?

[red flame]

Pretty sure yea

It just has to be before dance

So to sblades is fine

[stone niche]

did they fix the bug?

[swift tinsel]

nope

[red flame]

Idek what the bug is

Lol

[swift tinsel]

there's a delay in dance snapshotting the haste from guidon

[hazy lichen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cw3mp5HDFnA18zrnjAGdCG

[lime wigeon]

The script for deepening shadow updates according to your haste value on a 1 second heart beat timer.
So worst case it can be just under 1 second before the script updates with your current haste value

[red flame]

I just got guidon to replace puzzle box last night, haven’t even used guidon yet

[swift tinsel]

so if you press them too close together your dance will not be extended

[red flame]

Ah I see

[swift tinsel]

and the time between them is variable based on server tick rate

[stone niche]

so macro guidon + sblades is fine, but you cant also macro dance into it

[red flame]

How long do you need to wait realistically to be safe?

[swift tinsel]

can be up to a full second

[red flame]

Word

[swift tinsel]

supposedly being looked into on blizz's end but complicated

[sacred gull]

Hi guys, is there only one radiant spark we can get through quest this week ? I am 4/5 with the weekly quest today, not sure if I missed something

[frigid prawn]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[lime wigeon]

Pretty sure Ferals have had the same issue with Rampage working the same way.
Not totally sure about if spriests had something similar too

[hazy lichen]

maybe because i only have veteran guidon?

[keen dome]

Maybe PUzzle Box is pretty good in keys

[naive creek]

How big of a deal is hitting the 700 haste breakpoint to get the extra sectec? Like if I'm at 650 and can't fit it in the rotation yet, how much dps can I expect from getting the last 50 haste I need?

[karmic harbor]

do we storm again in aoe for aa

[midnight vault]

what you guys getting for 3th craft? weapon or ring/necklace?

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lusty relic]

I can tell you anecdotally the spec is much smoother/easier to play when you hit the breakpoint

[vale pine]

funny thing, we have certain German words that allow the wrong plural because they were commonly used

[lime wigeon]

Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel

[vale pine]

haha exactly

didn't know you are proficient in german

[lime wigeon]

I knew it's the same saying as in Swedish

I also know.. "Das ist so 0815"

[toxic carbon]

So we're waiting for a second to use dance after using bladees/guidon ?

[stone niche]

thats a crazy niche thing to know if youre not german lmao

[lime wigeon]

It's my main pickup line in German. Always makes girls laugh

[vale pine]

"Vom Regen in die Traufe" - there is another one you can add to your list

[sweet moss]

this is fine guidon usuage right?

[lime wigeon]

Yeah some girl at a festival in Hamburg taught me it

[warped cape]

hey guys i have a question, its better to wait to drop Eternal Voidsong Chain on crown (lot of people in my roster need it too) and take a neck from m+ or thats worth to craft a neck hast/mastery (i need little more haste for the cap in my stuff) and waiting my turn for the neck of alleria ?

[lime wigeon]

This is also pretty much the same in Swedish. But it's "Out of the ashes and into the fire"

[swift tinsel]

The huge haste on the neck makes gearing for the cap easier

[vale pine]

nice

[fiery fog]

istg there has to be a bug with dungeon loot

[vale pine]

i saw a video about loot bugs

[fiery fog]

4x the same pit cloak in a row

[swift tinsel]

would explain why I've gotten the bracers from MT almost every run I get loot from there

[vale pine]

the only solution i know for loot related bugs

is to restart your game frequently

[finite crow]

what do we craft after weapon and belt?

[frigid prawn]

Is there like a macro to use Shadowmeld the same as vanish? It's weird to use

[void ocean]

now u just took a poop in a blue cabinet

[lime wigeon]

Exactly :)

[slate nest]

i guess guidon, I already got gloves so one more week without 4set :DDDDDDDDD

[fiery fog]

you have 3 catalysts this week

you need 1p to get 4p

[lime wigeon]

Isn't this week the 3rd catalyst?

[void ocean]

i got only 1 so far

[swift tinsel]

unless you only do normal raid and sub-8 keys

[small vortex]

2 charges + 1 from 2kio

[void ocean]

i guess i got the 2nd today

oooh ye

that 2k thingy

[slate nest]

ye imma get 2k

[lime wigeon]

Or clearing March on HC

[slate nest]

and finish the set

[lime wigeon]

Or just 1.6 in pvp

that's like 5 wins or something if you know some pvp

[finite crow]

pvp is the easiest imo close to 2k

so just grind some m+ and ez

[swift tinsel]

m+ is basically free to 2k

[finite crow]

to get benched in myth prog

[slate nest]

is guidon still precast 1 sec or ?

[void ocean]

i havent touched rated pvp since the first weeks of SL

[lime wigeon]

Yes zoomer

[void ocean]

lel

i wish

[lilac stag]

Imagine not having the second charge last week.

[finite crow]

but what do we craft after belt and weap are we free to craft one more weap if we didnt get shi from vault?

[vale pine]

yes, 3rd cata charge

still requires you to at least get 1 piece from somewhere else

lfr, raid, vault

[void ocean]

catalyse the shit out of those veteran legs

[vale pine]

you can catalyse anything just to egt 4p

[lime wigeon]

After you get 4 set, you're flooded in catalyst charges

[vale pine]

because you start dropping charges after it

so no need to hold onto charges

[void ocean]

i've heard opposite claims

[vale pine]

i had a lfr piece

and still use veteran tier set pieces

[lime wigeon]

I think I have like 6 cata charges. + 1 in crystalized form

[vale pine]

(i did 50 dungeons or so, so not because i want, just because of bad loot)

i got 5 or so charges during the dungeons

[lime wigeon]

And I haven't even farmed for it. Just pugged to 3k rating

[keen dome]

Damn, blasting Fuu

[small vortex]

ive gotten 6 or so charges since getting 4set

[keen dome]

I've had 4 drops so far.

Of cata charges, that is

[swift tinsel]

I think that's how many I've gotten as well, 4

[lime wigeon]

Feel like it's something like 10% from boss/dungeon/delve

[toxic carbon]

I dunno brro, that's what I'm trying to find out xD

[keen dome]

One of them came from a boss I was loot locked on so uh not sure that was intentonal

[swift tinsel]

since getting 4pc on tuesday of last week

and running keys/raid every day since lol

[lime wigeon]

Heard you get from arena and bgs too but dont think ive got from there. Not done too much of that

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-you-got-it-issues-problems-gif-18109301

[keen dome]

You can, yeah.

BG/Areans, Raid bosses, Bountiful delves, M+

I got one from my second kll of normal Midnight falls, which was very strange.

[lime wigeon]

Interesting

[keen dome]

It doesn't seem to respect the loot lock but I have to imagine that's a bug and not intentional

[lime wigeon]

Tbh I feel it's way overtuned with how many that drops. But oh well

[keen dome]

I'd rather it be more generous than not, but ye

[lime wigeon]

Might as well not make it require 4 piece at this rate and give tier for free

[keen dome]

Yeah

[small vortex]

im gonna be capped on charges before i get more things to catalyst lol

[keen dome]

just have it work like this from getgo

[vale pine]

think it does not matter in that sense

because you swim in charges w/e

if you play a lot

[lime wigeon]

It's just odd that either you're unlucky with tier. Or you get 4 whatever pieces and then get 100% to upgrade them to hero 3/6 in m+

[vale pine]

having it drop more is good for people who don't play as much

[swift tinsel]

could just have it be chargeless to catalyze once you have tier in that slot

[vale pine]

i tried to get everyone of our guild 1p at least, so that nobody of our raiders would sit on no tier set this week

we had 2 people who had no luck outside of raid

[swift tinsel]

we've been trying that as well, our leather token drops have been abysmal

[vale pine]

one we did lfr with together to trade tier

we luckily got one

[lime wigeon]

Tbh yeah. I kinda feel that if they want to keep tier then just kinda make it totally free for all

[vale pine]

its fine as is

blizz likes to have rng in every system

[lime wigeon]

Though this is "win more"

[vale pine]

so this is probably the most user friendly we get

[swift tinsel]

still chasing trinkets and rings/neck/weps aside from essentially free tier

[vale pine]

any change would end up restricting things

[lime wigeon]

Like I'm sure there's still people who haven't got any tier this week

[vale pine]

yes

[swift tinsel]

yeah I think we have one or two people who haven't seen tier in vault last week or this week

[upbeat cradle]

This week is the week you get the heroic neck/ring from the pvp quest right ? Are these from raid/mm or are these predetermined rewards ?

[vale pine]

thats why i (sadly without success) always try to convince the officer team of our guild to prioritize 1p for everyone

its surprisingly difficult to argue tho

because the majority sees giving one individual 4p or 2p as the most valuable strategy

[swift tinsel]

we have a rule where if you have 4pc or that token you cannot roll on it til everyone on that token has it

which in theory should help but if those tokens just don't drop you're SoL

[vale pine]

i think the general tokens are the best way to normalize it

[swift tinsel]

and we run normals for the extra tier chance every week

I agree hugely

[keen dome]

It's very much a "rich get richer" system that doesn't solve the initial issue, but is a good change regardless.

[vale pine]

because you can specifically give it to the people who had no loot

[swift tinsel]

which is why I'm annoyed they got rid of Omnitokens for a while

[keen dome]

I just think they should forgo the 4 set requirement and have cata charges drop from the get-go

[swift tinsel]

or timegated the Omnitokens

[vale pine]

but again, my officer team thinks giving 2p or 4p is way more important

[swift tinsel]

a really bad idea

[lime wigeon]

I guess doing LFR splits now with curio would take like 15 min to get... 3? people one

[crystal bone]

for mythic Chim prog, i don't want to be in group 1 soak, correct?

[swift tinsel]

correct

[void ocean]

i know a trick how to faster get tier pieces: put enchants and gems on gear u wanna replace

[swift tinsel]

your cds come up in time for group 2

[vale pine]

this season is the first one i convinced one set piece to be given for first piece instead of 2/4 completion

which is a huge win in my book

[keen dome]

Nice

[swift tinsel]

we had 3x people loot myth weps this week after crafting myth 2h's last week lol

[vale pine]

as mentioned, we also did run lfr with a diffrent guildie

[keen dome]

They should put a CHamp vet piece on the raid kill quest imo

[void ocean]

thats the way

[keen dome]

Like the one for void spire. Have there be an omnitoken on that

[vale pine]

so we could secure 4p this week for everyone

[void ocean]

its like cars in GTA

[keen dome]

Then everyone could get 2p week 1 regardless

[vale pine]

these 2 ended up the only ones without else

[swift tinsel]

idk I tried doing a gearing walkthrough with people but some just gung-ho wanted to catalyze the first hero piece they got and are now stuck

[keen dome]

Haha

[vale pine]

loot is a very difficult topic

[lime wigeon]

I kinda think the catalyst charge is better design reward for achievement than omni token

[keen dome]

You can't help some people. I have tried multiple seasons to explain crafting and gearing to people and they always make bad choices

[vale pine]

the cata charge is a great change

[swift tinsel]

I said on many occasions to wait to catalyze or take vault until you can guarantee 4pc

[keen dome]

Ye, the 2k/1.6k/aotc change?

[lime wigeon]

mm

[sharp lake]

Does your haste breakpoint technically change based on the ilvl of your Light Company Guidon? Or is it static despite that?

[swift tinsel]

since we raid the evening of reset and we full clear

[vale pine]

static, you want ~650-700 haste

[keen dome]

I didn't like it initially but after sitting on it, experincg it. Yeah, 100% agreed. It's a lot better longer-term for more players.

It gives you a LOT more control over your first vault

[swift tinsel]

many players will just reach those benchmarks naturally so its a nice incentive

[vale pine]

the only friction now is basically the one piece you either need to get from lfr, normal, heroic or vault

[sharp lake]

I was wondering if the intent was to cover the full 20sec of 4pc Shadow Blades with 2 Shadow Dances

[keen dome]

Hence my suggestion! Put a Champ omnitoken on a raid kill quest.

Instead of a shitty champ cloak.

[swift tinsel]

as a replacement for the hero track craft they previously had

I would very much support that

it jumpstarts the tier acquisition

[keen dome]

It'd smooth out tier acquisition because it would mean EVERYBODY would get 2P week 1. Regardless of drops.

[vale pine]

I agree

[swift tinsel]

for those that need it

[keen dome]

Since you'd have 1 Omnitoken, 1 catalyst

[vale pine]

i just think its realistic to assume blizz wanting to keep a certain randomness

[swift tinsel]

that's actually a stellar suggestion

[keen dome]

So you'd only be seeking 2 drops, instead of 3.

[vale pine]

maybe i am wrong there

[sweet moss]

someone confirm this

[keen dome]

I've always found gearing to be an absolutely obnoxious trek of RNG that gets in the way of fun.

[sweet moss]

Fuu confirm that plsss

[vale pine]

i can't from the screenshot

[swift tinsel]

with how tier power bumps usually go, giving at least one guaranteed piece would alleviate a lot of the feelsbad moments of early gearing and getting unlucky

[keen dome]

Yep

[vale pine]

it looks too close

you ideally want to use the trinket 1 sec before dance

[keen dome]

Also if it was an omnitoken, you sit on it until vault if you want or send it right away. It gives you a ton of flexibility

[vale pine]

so you are 100% sure to get the benefits

[sweet moss]

shit rly u gotta wait even longer?

ah ok

[vale pine]

its like this

there is a script running in the background which updates the duration value

but only in a set interval

[green venture]

would you guys take the top option with the hero trinket or 3rd option with myth track tier piece shoulders - i have 0/4 tier atm

[sweet moss]

just sim at higher item lvl obvs

[keen dome]

I would also like to see a trinket omnitoken added to M+ and raiding that let you just buy any trinket but c'est la vie that won't ever happen. But then I'm a big fan of smoothing gearing out and determinism which isn't what WoW's loot system is.

[vale pine]

depending on when the next "update" is

[sweet moss]

okay yeah

[stone niche]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1gFrYMwBHof3Uyki3kpaVR this fucking voidstorm trinket man

[vale pine]

its possible that the haste effect works or not

so if you use it just before dance

and the update is after the dance use

[sweet moss]

yeah it makes sense, just didn’t know u actually have to wait a second

[vale pine]

you lose all the duration benefits for dance

it can be up to 1 sec

[sweet moss]

so u sit there autoing for a sec

[vale pine]

lowest probably ~100ms

[swift tinsel]

I've previously been a fan of the badges system, a combination of that with dinars and deterministic loot over time

[vale pine]

you just use it with the spell before

[swift tinsel]

so that you get that buffer

[keen dome]

Yeah. The .5 stuff seems like a good improvement on other things. See how it works out.

[sweet moss]

i guess u could use before shadows strike on opener?

mhm

[swift tinsel]

agreed, I'm looking forward to seeing it all in action because in theory its a very positive set of changes

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

and in my mind, it offers a better reward for the time investment for m+ since you're doing 8 dungeons for 1 piece of myth loot a week

[keen dome]

Big fan of Blizz just trying stuff. I think Dinars were good but their communication was not, which set expectations wrong. S3's version was cleaner albeit I still disagree with their whole "well hero is w/e, but myth is for the speical boys" but again, c'est la vie.

[swift tinsel]

vs what, 3 now? with the new system

[sweet moss]

was just going shadow strike, trinket, then opener macro but ig gotta wait longer before it

[toxic carbon]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[vale pine]

just with shadowstrike

[keen dome]

Something I would love to see is the additional of an item (maybe vault? who knows) that upgrades one item to the next 'tier' of item.

[keen dome]

Yeah

[vale pine]

^ towards this, there is a more reliable way to do this

[swift tinsel]

they had something like that with the original dinar system, didn't they?

[vale pine]

basically, just delay your 2nd dance cast till blades has 8 sec duration left

[short radish]

@tribal blade

so close

[swift tinsel]

or you could upgrade an already-aquired item's track

[sweet moss]

yeah that’s why it say

fuu he updated it

[vale pine]

its easy to do and hard to fuck up

[keen dome]

Maybe? I think so but I wasn't playing. DF's just had it be agnostic to the upgrade system

[swift tinsel]

by killing X bosses on that track

[vale pine]

ohh

eleem already updated it

[sweet moss]

yeah

[vale pine]

nvm me then

[swift tinsel]

I vaguely remember getting a normal Edge of Night and being able to make it a Heroic Edge of Night

[keen dome]

But I'd imagine an item you take from vault that upgrades an item by one step so HEro -> myth, etc. Because this increases the value of all loot types, while allowing mobility and fighting against rng.

[vale pine]

i just thought i forgot to update it

but eleem is a sweetie

[swift tinsel]

as in something you could buy with vault tokens?

bc that would be really nice

[sweet moss]

u would just press it same time as ss on opener then ig

to give a second

[vale pine]

misses 33.3

[sweet moss]

i was only giving like 0.1s

[eager patrol]

does prismatic focusing iris not take an embellishment slot or is the tooltip just bugged

cause it doesnt say anything about unique equipped

[vale pine]

you can use it two times

but it still counts as embellishment

[cyan salmon]

pour one out for me folks 😭

[vale pine]

tho you wouldn't because we use hunt + x

[toxic carbon]

im testing this on dummy right now and you dont have to wait anywhere near 1 sec to get the buff, you can do it with a slight delay...just dont slam it like you usually would

[short radish]

yeah this is acutally peak 3

just needed to finish at 12:33

[swift tinsel]

Just get a Warbound Gaze like me in the mailbox

[vale pine]

no windflurry

[swift tinsel]

managed both guidon and gaze lol

[vale pine]

:/

[short radish]

yeah this is my current p*sh comp

at least i hvae monk debuff

and drui

[vale pine]

druid, warrior and shaman are the strong buffs iirc

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

hmm guess mark of the wild isn't that insane anymore

[short radish]

yeah since vers now our lowest stat

skyfury is acutally insane

[vale pine]

shout too

[short radish]

yah

[sweet moss]

yeah?

it’s not about getting the buff though

it’s about the length of dance updating before u press

[keen dome]

Yeah, precisely. Don't pick? upgrade item. So you could make more deterministic choices

[vale pine]

as mentioned

it can be anywhere between 0.1 and 1 sec

so you can slam it just before dance

and get the benefits

but you can't guarantee this to work every time

[swift tinsel]

I'd be very down with that. Been SO many times I've had 3x myth slot options and not be able to take any of them bc they're either a repeat slot or so poorly itemized they're a dps loss to take

would help with the later season when you're hunting for just a couple items/slots

[keen dome]

Yep.

Or you could take a BiS hero item and know next week or the week after? Take it to myth.

It gives a lot of control

[swift tinsel]

Personally, if it takes 2 weeks to get enough currency to buy it I think that'd be a fair tradeoff

[keen dome]

I envision it as a choice you make by giving up all vault loot for that week

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[keen dome]

Which I think is a pretty huge thing.

So it just being one week is fine, imo

There's only so many weeks in a season

[swift tinsel]

and it would make "taking a token" week feel wayyyyyy less bad

[keen dome]

Yep

[swift tinsel]

instead of now its just a socket

since crests are so wildly free

[keen dome]

Yep

[swift tinsel]

idk if I've ever capped all crests this easily week after week before

[keen dome]

With this change I'd also just remove sockets from the vault and shove them onto JC because lol sockets are so dumb.

[lime wigeon]

Could also make it so it converted f.ex hero 6/6 to myth 2/6. To avoid making people feel like they need to save their crests

[keen dome]

Oh, yeah. Absolutely

[swift tinsel]

yeah that'd be really nice

[keen dome]

A 6/6 item should convert to 2/6 Myth. Since it's just the iLevel

Hm, maybe that would be a smart limitation. The item to ugprade has to be capped?

So you couldn't convert a 1/6 Hero into a 1/6 Myth.

[swift tinsel]

I think that would be a fair stipulation

otherwise you're sidestepping a ton of crest expenditure

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

though I have thoughts about crests in general, mostly having a cap for a large part of the season

[vale pine]

wwe got in!

atrophic gooo

[keen dome]

It would also incentavise intelligent spending, and make Hero loot even more valuable.

Which is something I'm a big fan of

[lime wigeon]

Wrote about it above fuu that it feels like such a fun fight to progress as rogue

[swift tinsel]

been watching perfecto and it looks like a really fun fight for sure

[keen dome]

It does look very fun

[lime wigeon]

Like constant movement, much feint value, much shadow step value

[chilly kite]

casters are talking up rogue damage, and how strong atro is and is required, lol swear its intentional so we get no tuneing

[fading saffron]

Where is the best place to post logs to assist for review to see what I can do better?

[keen dome]

I should go pug prog heroic but effort

[swift tinsel]

we aren't going into the new raid until next week most likely so I'm gonna try pugging it this weekend

[vale pine]

is perfecto playing other specs too?

[swift tinsel]

our RL is gone tomorrow and the officer stepping in hasn't really every done prog RL before

[vale pine]

it could be that he only prepeared rogue

[keen dome]

If only you were EU

[chilly kite]

just sub from what i have seen

[swift tinsel]

I should hop the pond lol

[chilly kite]

honestly i think bel'oran is an assa angle

[swift tinsel]

should Expat lmao

[lime wigeon]

I saw him play assa on some split

[vale pine]

both are close, so can play either

[keen dome]

Someday Blizz will bring down the barriers and I can go run M+ keys with chinese people and experience their meme culture. Someday..

[swift tinsel]

could brush up on my german and move over there, really enjoyed my time there and in Switzerland

[strange heath]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility

[swift tinsel]

I'd do it just for their sick transmog that's CN exclusive lol

[keen dome]

Haha

[swift tinsel]

the chinese new year sets iirc were crazy cool

[keen dome]

Ye, alas.

[chilly kite]

i just think its funny how the casters are like perfecto is nuking these eggs.. but like i don't think he's been top dmg on eggs yet

[swift tinsel]

casters are there for personality, not analysis

[keen dome]

They should let me cast

[swift tinsel]

see Tettles claiming sub has great funnel

[keen dome]

I could bring a much needed heroic pugging perspective to the RWF.

"I have no idea what's going on but pugs would absolutely fuck this up immediately"

Just that to every single mechanic

[swift tinsel]

with how insular their perspectives tend to be, that would actually be a really cool juxtaposition

[keen dome]

I mean it'd be very very one-sided because it'd be their very complex solution and then me going "yeah pugs can't count to 2"

[swift tinsel]

way more people could relate to that

[eternal abyss]

Sorry if it was asked before, but what would be our 3rd craft?
I have a weapon and wrist so far.
I still have Champ rings and trinkets, but all else is Myth or Hero

[keen dome]

I'd guess sim, but I imagine legs aren't a bad craft?

[marble sierra]

or upgrade myth items that you get

[keen dome]

Rings can be farmed from Nexus, too. Although less control over statting naturally

[swift tinsel]

I still haven't crafted a second item lol

[keen dome]

Although, well. "Farmed".

[swift tinsel]

I'm in no rush, been getting a steady stream of hero loot

[vast dust]

The silver moon utility belt

[keen dome]

ye, same. I was gonna do belt but I got hero belt from raggy timewalk

[swift tinsel]

ooo very nice

the game seems to think I'm still in TWW and loves giving mastery/vers loot

[eternal abyss]

I got a hero belt too, I guess crafting a ring won't hurt me, until I get a better one.

[keen dome]

Yeah I'm kinda tempted to craft a ring

[swift tinsel]

meanwhile my devourer is getting all the haste/mastery gear I want lol

[vast dust]

Meh. No armor on ring. Feels like a waste

[keen dome]

I too wish for rogue tank

[fading saffron]

Ring is one of the best items to help your stats

[vast dust]

Sure, but crafting it? To each their own

[keen dome]

It gives you an immense amount of control over your other gear since you can specify stats.

[fading saffron]

I crafted ring for my 3rd, esp since the only upgrade will be from Mythic Track vault, and I can change the stats as I need them

[keen dome]

it's a very good slot to craft in, imo.

[fading saffron]

can make it hast/mast or crit/mast depending which of the other 2 rings that you have

[obtuse orbit]

Im also doing ring. Ive already got hero belt and myth bracers lol ring let's me not worry about my haste anymore

[vast dust]

That’s fair. Does give you stat control.

Valid point

[keen dome]

The agility on other pieces is very nice, but they're harder to do outside of belt/bracers. Legs is psosible I think 'cos of the tier statting but that requires you to have 4p in other slots.

And 80 Myth might be spoken for, too

[fading saffron]

I think leg is an OK choice - A LOT riskier of a 3rd craft than jewlery imo, but its still not a terrible choice

[keen dome]

Yeah

I mean, I think it depends on your content too.

Outside of vault, it's.. Alleria legs right?

[stone niche]

any idea why puzzle box is simming better than guidon in m+?

[keen dome]

mastery good in M+

Esp in AoE scenarios

[fading saffron]

legs for hero track, or myth track?

[keen dome]

I'm thinking Myth.

[modest lance]

Hey all, what missive are we putting on craft dagger?

[stone niche]

mh yea, fair

[fading saffron]

you could also be a degen and get the BoE's that drop, whenever that opens for myth boes

[keen dome]

Haha, true true

[tough creek]

I did mastery and haste

If your already at 18%-20% haste then id do mastery crit probably

[keen dome]

As long as you can hit 700 haste.

[tough creek]

Im at 16% right now with my current setup

[fading saffron]

i have to use a haste flask to hit my haste goal

[modest lance]

Currently at 19.19,%

[keen dome]

Sending you all my excess haste. Also that guys, too

[tough creek]

My mastery is goated tho im at 65%

[keen dome]

Nice

[fading saffron]

yeah, fully buffed and flasked im at 715 haste

[keen dome]

726 atm

I need to regem but lazy

[fading saffron]

81.06% mastery though

dont tell mods

[swift tinsel]

it extends blades

[fading saffron]

4p is for blades, not dance - haste is the only one that extends dance or using the talent The First Dance

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[torn quail]

I just realized after my question 😄 thanks tho

[prime nest]

whats meta full hast or full mastery ?

[fading saffron]

700 haste, as much mastery as you can think of

[torn quail]

what the ideal stats

[gusty jungle]

Guys stats weight is ok to use ? i dont know if im missing crit

[fading saffron]

my current stat weights at 273ilvl with flask and weapon oils

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility

[gusty jungle]

yeah i know the stats priority

im just asking if we are looking to have a certain amount of cc atleast

cs *

[sweet moss]

no it would say that

🙂

[fading saffron]

i believe the only breakpoint we have is haste, everything else is a balance, and using Top Gear with Raidbots is best to find the best for your current gear

[keen dome]

Yep, just haste.

[gusty jungle]

stat weight is ok to use ?

[keen dome]

700 is the goal, then every 500? I think above that is another one but that's unrealistic.

[sweet moss]

just sim bruh

[keen dome]

(which is why Guidon is good)

So get 700. Then mastery

[gusty jungle]

well some people say to dont use stat weight thats why i ask first 🙂

[fading saffron]

700 Haste > Get as much mastery as you can get > some crit is nice > we dont talk about vers anymore

[keen dome]

I don't think stat weights have been a thing for multiple expansions

[gusty jungle]

ok thats what i was thinking ty

[keen dome]

Stats are pretty whatever outside of haste.

[gusty jungle]

i was thinking about getting more crit but will see its my stats without anything

[keen dome]

I wouldn't worry too much. Just know what they do and get 700 haste and it's time to blast.

[gusty jungle]

thank you then

[keen dome]

Big fan of Haste being "hate" though.

is that french?

[gusty jungle]

yes

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[neat egret]

when when ive 4 supercharged cbps, i wanna shadowstrike at max cbp to trigger AA for each and every one of them?

[raw wadi]

On chimaerus, is it better to be in the first or second go down team?

[quick marlin]

second

[hollow spear]

Someone once told me that they put a ^ where they used to be an "s" afterwards.

[foggy estuary]

Second

[raw wadi]

ty

[neat egret]

@quick marlin reply

hlep

[tulip light]

yes you want

[gusty jungle]

@quick marlin why that please ?

[neat egret]

ty

[worldly hinge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[fading saffron]

I think its for CD alignment, i believe 2nd blades is up then?

[quick marlin]

yes

[quick marlin]

cus first knock ure still in burst

[gusty jungle]

ok 🙂

[fading saffron]

any giga chads out there able to look at my most recent logs and let me know how I can do better?

[shrewd lantern]

honestly people need to stop hard fixating secondaries

besides the dumb haste tax its kind of whatever

[small vortex]

just vibe game guys

get ~700 haste and equip your favorite items

[quick marlin]

follow the clanka

but not too much

[keen dome]

Embrace the number go up

[small vortex]

number go up if i feel like it goes up!

[keen dome]

Week 3 of seeing if Paladins ring even exists.

[vocal torrent]

Dont forget about your 32 haste from weapon oils

[fading saffron]

Also, am I wrong in understanding that the sim bot isnt taking into account for the 700 haste breakpoint we need, cause API has haste lower? around like 6 something?

[shrewd lantern]

just get the xenas rings

the sim doesnt account for latency

since its a bot

[keen dome]

I've run that dungeon 5 times today, I'm gonna kill Paladins instead and hope

then back itno that dungeon

[woven sonnet]

thanks for the rich options blizzard

[keen dome]

Just a little change of pace

[shrewd lantern]

its ok i havent seen guidon

on all 3 difficulties

[keen dome]

I've seen it once, and only have it because a friend won it and gave it to me haha

[spare hazel]

whats the rotation for 2 target fights? shadow strike and black powder?

[bronze dragon]

um random question, did anyone notice that we get the old danse macabre buff when we cast dance. IDK if it is actually doing anything

[sweet moss]

!bp

!pp

hm

[small vortex]

my raid saw 2!

[sweet moss]

ss on 2 and black powder 3+ without pp, 2 with

[shrewd lantern]

game wants me to make boots if i make another item lul

almost 1k

[spare hazel]

whats pp?

[sweet moss]

potent powder talent

[spare hazel]

so on 2 its just ss and evisc?

[shrewd lantern]

you're basically useless on 2t

enjoy

[sweet moss]

yep

[small vortex]

and 3t kinda

yay paladins!

[sweet moss]

yep

paladins bottom dmg fun

[gusty jungle]

!addon

[shrewd lantern]

you get to be good on dragons

and by good i mean good bp pad

[swift tinsel]

we had 3x drop last night

otherwise its pure plate loot

all day, every day

[vale pine]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[shrewd lantern]

this is all meaningful damage

i swear

!

oh wait i wasnt talented into pp oopsies

[small vortex]

no pp...gg...

[torpid stump]

Do you guys know if it's possible to make ancient arts proc more visible ? Sometimes I don't really see it mid fight

[swift tinsel]

can up its opacity

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[swift tinsel]

!ancientarts

I'm washed

if you search Spell Alert Opacity you can increase it

in your Options in-game

[torpid stump]

ok thx

[shrewd lantern]

mine was just auto added to cdm

one day

[wanton sage]

yo how can i get rid of the energy starving? after like 45sec-1min

[swift tinsel]

AA and the BDK apex Heart Strike spell alerts are so poorly implemented, both are barely visible

[shrewd lantern]

is it during dance?

[shrewd lantern]

my aa procs are just on my buff bar

well the icon when you get one

[keen dome]

no ring, plate legs though.

Rogue tank dream

[swift tinsel]

I still have the alerts just as a reflex thing since nothing else is in those FoV spots

[wanton sage]

the 3rd maybe yeah im just playing it now for 2 days doing great damage like realy good even single target is CRAZY but after a while its just energy starving and dropping doing several k dps

[swift tinsel]

took them off for a while but its just easier this way for my eyes

[hazy breach]

If youre running out of energy during dance youre doing something wrong

[meager creek]

If you already crafted max belt and weapon. What is the 3th item you craft with myth crests?

[hazy breach]

Outside of dance you can run out of energy and thats completely fine and normal, youre not doing any damage anyway

[shrewd lantern]

nothing ideally

3rd craft means you had bad rng with myth drops

[wanton sage]

why are you saying that!!! :((( we do dmg

[shrewd lantern]

yeah giant backstab hits

[meager creek]

Yeah so better save a bit to upgrade myth gear.

[shrewd lantern]

!

well unless you're down horrendous with like a vet piece or something

but 2/6 myth from upgrading a hero item to max is 80 crests for 289

and so is a 285 crafted

[hazy breach]

Not when you are not in shadow dance

[meager creek]

ye so its less efficient. I'll wait a bit than. Thanks!

[wanton sage]

ahhh

i see

so its all about timing shadow dance more perfect and having it almost always up

[shrewd lantern]

me telling the team im going to hit a salhadaar orb

....without dance up

[keen dome]

You've got this

You'll kill it with 2,709 damage

[lilac stag]

@keen dome I lost my zero.

Apparently wcl updated.

[keen dome]

You gained a 7

Mine did too

[lilac stag]

very good. very evil

[shrewd lantern]

is that normal falls

[keen dome]

Yeah

[shrewd lantern]

has anyone killed hc yet

[lilac stag]

My voracius stayed orange

[keen dome]

I'm sure a few guilds have. I'm exceptionally doubtful of any pug kills outside like, the extreme pug leads like Woottodo, etc.

[shrewd lantern]

a bit surprised hc bel gives gilded crsts

[keen dome]

He's the second to last boss, so I guess it tracks

[swift tinsel]

that's how it usually is with penultimate bosses

[keen dome]

But so does Crown

So lol

[shrewd lantern]

i guess its funny since

[keen dome]

Two penultimate bosses

[shrewd lantern]

hes technically in his own raid

[swift tinsel]

idk this whole tier is a meme lol

[keen dome]

I quite like having 3 raids but it is messy

And soon a 4th

Well, in a few months.

[swift tinsel]

wait whats coming in a few months?

[keen dome]

.7 is adding a lairboss raid

[swift tinsel]

hm

[keen dome]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1267799.jpg

[lilac stag]

.5 adding moving

rogue saved

[keen dome]

They're doing more raids each patch now, it's cool

12.0.7 is a lairboss. 12.1.5 is something, but we know 12.1 is giving is a full normal raid i.e, 9 boss instance.

Fuck knows what nonsense the 12.0.7 raid is gonna be though

[lilac stag]

3 target cleave fight

[reef walrus]

Uu'nat 2.0, will be a 1500 pull boss

[keen dome]

My personal feeling is: 12.0.7 is going to be a Forbiddden Reach-esque island off the coast of Zul'aman with a lairboss there.

this place

[swift tinsel]

says its in harandar

[keen dome]

oh

[torn cedar]

how do we even use Puzzle? SS and cast or precast and cuck the stealth?

[lilac stag]

ss cast

[keen dome]

well there goes my theory. 12.1 is gonna be the Hexxalor island then

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's my guess

[keen dome]

and troll raid

[swift tinsel]

and the troll dungeons for s2

[lilac stag]

like this raid isnt troll enough for rogue

[keen dome]

where we fight zul'jin again

[swift tinsel]

unlockable ZA troll race

cata ZA and ZG back in the pool

[reef walrus]

there were some wowhead datamines for new warlock tier, 12.1_Raidwarlock_atalulek or something along those lines

[keen dome]

we have ZA troll race at home

[lilac stag]

unlockable troll race that can hide thier dogs in transmogs

[swift tinsel]

def getting DoS though

[keen dome]

That'd make sense.

[reef walrus]

so that's probably the 12.1 island indeed

[keen dome]

https://www.wowhead.com/zone=16365/atalutek

Yes, it is.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Atal'Utek

It's where the big snake loa is

Who may or may not be an old god

[swift tinsel]

oh then we're 100% getting DoS if its bringing in a new loa

ew

lol

[reef walrus]

maybe even gundrak

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

gundrak might be alright, dtk would be fun with some tweaks

[keen dome]

I eman we got fucking pit of sauron!

[reef walrus]

there was a giant snake loa in that instance as well no? that was never explained anywhere?

[keen dome]

Nope!

That's most likely who it is. Or connected to them

And since we're going back to Northrend in Last titan

[hexed lake]

Zul’farrak mythic

[swift tinsel]

ZF mythic would be so cursed lol

[keen dome]

Temple of Atal'dazlor for the 19th time

[lilac stag]

midas touch anyone

[keen dome]

hey that'd be pretty good with our attack speed

[reef walrus]

didn't it just procc 5 times in total?

regardless of attack speed?

[keen dome]

yeah

I forgot

[versed swift]

Chat how bad is it to go over 700 haste with flask? With haste flask im at around 750-760 haste

[keen dome]

It's fine. Not ideal, mastery would be better.

As long as you hit over 700 then that's the goal

[lilac stag]

you're fine. dont overthink it

people complicating the fuck out of a simple number goal

[shrewd lantern]

Why did we even get pit of saron

[swift tinsel]

I've honestly been pretty vibe-gearing all season so far

[azure thicket]

do we actually need 700 outside of cooldowns though

[shrewd lantern]

ig skyreach was a reach of light

[lilac stag]

not your first rodeo

[reef walrus]

you don't need 700 haste outside of shadow dances no

[swift tinsel]

I just look at haste number and ilvl and do a lil dance

[lilac stag]

how do you plan on having it in cds and not out?

[tulip light]

Signet of Azerothian Blessings - is this crafted ring embell the new shit?

[normal spoke]

hey what am i doing wrong need to do more dmg for mytic https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zhWVX3ZAYgGJ9vd7?fight=28&type=damage-done

[reef walrus]

I would've said switching flasks every time you dance, but you can't even do that in combat anymore 🙁

[lilac stag]

do you own a Nocturnal Lotus farm?

[stable marlin]

That sounds expensive lmao

[reef walrus]

found that out the hard way when I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't fit the last global in my dance anymore, noticed I didn't have my haste flask anymore and tried to use a new one

[azure thicket]

get a priest to pi you during cds?

[swift tinsel]

3k per nocturnal lotus is fun

[lilac stag]

doesnt work like that

[reef walrus]

doesn't work

[swift tinsel]

even with like 45% perception I barely get any in an hour farm

[midnight vault]

the new crafted neck i suppose?

[azure thicket]

so guidon is also out then

[swift tinsel]

usually end up with 4-5

[reef walrus]

the reason everyone mentions 700 haste and not haste % is because shadow dance only looks at the haste stat you get, not hast epercent

[lilac stag]

no guideon is actual haste and why we delay cds for 1 second

[reef walrus]

guidon works because that's haste stat and not haste percent

[lilac stag]

tomorrow we learn about what is and isnt stealth

[swift tinsel]

did you use 2nd blades with the add spawn or send on cd, that's some pad dmg right there

[lilac stag]

2 button spec btw

[swift tinsel]

iirc 2nd add spawn is ~2min in

and just hold blades for adds to pad for bigger numbers

[azure thicket]

lol

[swift tinsel]

thats what this spec is lol

[lilac stag]

nah we ST boss dmg

[swift tinsel]

you mispelled assassination

[lilac stag]

padding on adds in narnia is a boomie job

[shrewd lantern]

also why i dislike puzzle is having to think

[keen dome]

same

[shrewd lantern]

maybe i should hold sb another 30

to go with box

on some kill times

[lilac stag]

if I wouldn't fall asleep I would

[swift tinsel]

they're the big boss dam spec

like best in the game atm

[azure thicket]

i thought it was ele sham every third pack

just roasting trash on the sidewalk

[hazy breach]

Tbf it's a bit of a fake stat

Since other specs would do more if they also just sat on boss 100%

[swift tinsel]

we stick to our lanes

[dry flame]

Gaze and now Plume dropped on HC!
-# But as it is tradition, I rolled under 20/100 on both

[vale osprey]

Anyone know if there's a good cata trink from the HC item from Firelands?

[swift tinsel]

(this tier is a meme)

[hazy breach]

But because assa has no choice and needs to do that it's a bit eh

[azure thicket]

i rolled a 32 today

but it wasn't that bad

[karmic bough]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[lilac stag]

i'm assuming theyre running and not

[swift tinsel]

nah FB

at least all the logs I looked at

[lilac stag]

i just figured if a guild is desperate enough to play an assa rogue it isnt worth looking at

[swift tinsel]

I just play it on paladins

had to play it the other night on all bc my ping was so bad I couldn't play sub

phone hotspot type shit

still got 90's on most fights lol

my favorite metric

[lilac stag]

i was 18k behind the top 2

[chilly kite]

i still don't understand who we pissed off at blizz, that they are just letting us rot at the bottom of the meters like this

[swift tinsel]

I've already mentally checked out of voidspire so hard

just playing keys and alts

deciding which tank to gear

[chilly kite]

I had multiple 95 parses last night, and couldn't even break top 10 dmg in our hero reclear

[swift tinsel]

I cba to worry about parsing as sub

[dry plank]

new CDM add trinkets CD to it but duration of trinket buff add is imposible or what?

[swift tinsel]

our mages can just spam ice lance and kill everything

I'm struggling real hard to care about raid lol

[chilly kite]

we have an arcane 1 trick in our guild that was dominating before the buff, now he is like20% above everyone else in the raid on every fight

[swift tinsel]

m+ getting to be the same

[feral jolt]

swarm intelligence... what do we think about this. it would proc mastery for me right now

[swift tinsel]

idk once the honeymoon phase with devourer is over I'm probs done with the game

[feral jolt]

currently use gaze and puzzle box on champion sadly