subtlety

[pure jay]

he's 269 ilvl, im 270

[sweet moss]

waiot

hmmm

he cleavaed more on orb

lol

thats all

psure

[pure jay]

fking cleave

[acoustic drift]

for puzzle box do you hold CDs or just send puzzle every 3 mins

[sweet moss]

yeah annoying raid for loggs tbh

cd's ofc

or its useless

[dusky yacht]

But then you're not holding your cds for it you're holding puzzle for your cds

[sweet moss]

he got 7 more bakcstab

idk why

[dusky yacht]

Maybe Fynns is scared to backstab during cd downtime?

[sweet moss]

maybe u could have got some backstabs while waiting for cd on sec tech/ dance

yeah

what i thought mby

[dusky yacht]

There's always a few and like an evis that you can get off and then ramp up combopoints for sectec while waiting on it

[prime pier]

Any idea why his opener and last CDS do so much moree dmg than mine? Tireed of parsing grey 🙁 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/hjqBgJTbXDGQH8ck/tw4HyKqVdMJFLv61?fight=19%2C9&type=damage-done&source=22%2CKiraldína

[sweet moss]

3 more coup de grace

@pure jay random dance with no secret tech?

meaning ur down one for next shadow blades window

[pure jay]

getting use to some of the later line ups with sectech/dance

oh that was 25 seconds in

[sweet moss]

yeah nws i just assuem thats some dps loss

thats ur 3rd dance of pull which should be held till sectech is back upp

i think

[acoustic drift]

now what if you got a hero Guidon and mythic Puzzle box? is it worth using double on use? feels awful to run a champ track passive trinket lol

[pure jay]

yea, wasn't sure with that, saw some reading on it i haven't got to yet

[sweet moss]

sim probs

[pure jay]

because we're sending the sectech w/o the dance activation

[sweet moss]

ive not got raid till sunday so wont get to test rly till then

[dusky yacht]

[sweet moss]

i guess feels weird to use sectech not at same time as blades since used to it

O.o

[pure jay]

its the extra one in blades

[hazy breach]

Backstab 0.1s before dance during blades is not it

[pure jay]

so not sure how it lines up after the opener

[dusky yacht]

Don't you just use second shadowdance the moment first one ends or even like a moment before it will end

[south moss]

ive found when simming that it greatly overvalues haste because it doesnt realize im gna be using flask + oil to get the 700 haste break point. Any idea how to get around this to make sims useful?

[sweet moss]

not with guidon

[dusky yacht]

I don't have guidon so maybe that's my confusion

[sweet moss]

Eleem guidon tech

[high grotto]

wait why we using blades early

[dusky yacht]

huh

[pastel geyser]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper fox]

When using puzzle am i holding shadow blades for the 30 seconds for puzzle to align mid raid pulls?

[prime pier]

plz help

[dusky yacht]

So you're holding puzzle for your cooldowns not the other way around right? People asking this question are confusing me now

Doesn't make any sense to me if you hold your cooldowns for puzzle lmao

[sweet moss]

wdym last cds?

if ur staboni ur using guidon wrong firstly

[prime pier]

i am staboni 🙂

[dusky yacht]

Guys EU servers back up?

[sweet moss]

you have it macrod in with blades which doesnt work

[prime pier]

Well I follow the pinned comment

[sweet moss]

i mean with dance*

[hazy breach]

Well the pinned comment explicitly say dont do what you did

[sweet moss]

😂

[prime pier]

well it says to not use dance right away and hold it till blades have 8sec left

[sweet moss]

is there a mythic mechanic to kick vorasius or you just randomly kicking the boss? ive not done any mythic raid on rogue yet

lol

ur using Guidon at same time as ur shadow dance, meanign the haste is not effecting the length of ur dance

since u have trinket macrod in

which doesnt work in this case

[prime pier]

I used the macro from the wowhead sitee lol

[sweet moss]

which doesnt work for guidon

[pure jay]

i kinda wanna swap back to puzzlebox lul

[sweet moss]

😂

ive not even tried puzzle

seems aids to use

[pure jay]

its fine

[sweet moss]

standing still and shit

[pure jay]

ss

use it

pop cd's

rinse repeat on 3rd set of cd's

[dusky yacht]

Sometimes I just wanna kick somebody too man

[sweet moss]

yeah guess so, and jjust send dance on cd in blades

[sweet moss]

kicking the boss for extra dmg

[shy crystal]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[sweet moss]

every time he uses secret tech

[prime pier]

mhmm ok so do we havee a macro that fixes that?

[hazy breach]

No

You cannot macro it

[prime pier]

and thats all that difference?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[sweet moss]

@hazy breach must be slamming keyboard

[prime pier]

I swear on my bar it goes on cd lol

[sweet moss]

how are you even 2/7 mythic

may i ask

am i bad

[celest mulch]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[prime pier]

hmm I was a top 20 windwalker and got bored of it

changed class this xpac

[sweet moss]

is ww easy? idk

fair enough

[sweet moss]

thats not the point

[dusky yacht]

Wait servers are back up but I still gotta wait 2 hours for reset

Scammed

[prime pier]

but that cannoot be all that dps diff

[sweet moss]

yeah it isnt

[prime pier]

So I gotta manually press guidon beforee any of my opeener?

[sweet moss]

link log again ill have a look if u want

[prime pier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/hjqBgJTbXDGQH8ck/tw4HyKqVdMJFLv61?fight=19%2C9&type=damage-done&source=22%2CKiraldína

[sweet moss]

who is this rogue?

ur comparing with

[prime pier]

random compare

[sweet moss]

ah ok

have u even looked at the casts timeline?

[prime pier]

too much things going on lmao will paypal you if you find out whats wrong

im not familiar enough with rogue yet

[sweet moss]

wdym whats wrong./

[prime pier]

cleearly im doing somthing wrong the guy does 2 timees my dmg on opener and last cds

[spare bobcat]

is it worth to craft a 2nd dagger ( i dont raid)

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sweet moss]

i mean

u used a shadow blades without secret tech or dance right near end of fight

he didnt

[prime pier]

boss was about to diee

[sweet moss]

he used his 1min earlier

so ur timings are off somewhere

or he has held cds weirdly and its worked out because of boss kill time

[hazy breach]

Start macroing your dances

[sweet moss]

^

[steady dune]

this week affix is fucking up my tricket/blades macro 😭

[prime pier]

dances with secreet technique?

[sweet moss]

ye^

[rigid marten]

is there a macro for guidon trinket? do u macro it in with shadow blades?

[stable badge]

what missive do i put on my Dagger crafting? and embelishment

[sweet moss]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sweet moss]

you can, just dont macro it with your dance

and use before dance

[sweet moss]

haste + mastery (or sim) and hunt embelish

[near herald]

do you macro the trinket with something else?

or just solo trink?

[gray kelp]

Im sure this has gotten asked 20x already but im gonna ask anyways. Is it fine to drift shadowdance roughly 10 seconds and secret tech to fit into shadow blades .

[quick marlin]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[steady dune]

Oh damn i didnt know guidons changes our rotation

[gray kelp]

I see this but i dont have guidon so that doesnt really apply right?

[quick marlin]

uh yeah

[valid tartan]

you can fit a 2nd sectec in shadow blades without guidon tho

[steady dune]

yeah but then you are missing 6 seconds of shadow dance inside of blades

if you delay it to the last 2 seconds that is

[soft oriole]

Am I crazy or has that optimisation changed recently. Didn’t it used to be wait for a supercharged 2nd sectec

[quick marlin]

yeah it did change

gg muscle memory time to slave away in normal raids again

[calm smelt]

hey guys, has anyone else noticed guidon being inconsistent with the patch today? there is a real chance im just messing it up, but i have waited anywhere from 1-4 seconds before blades/dancing and my dance usually only lasts the normal time instead of the enhanced time

i have gotten it to work here and there, but i noticed it didnt work more often than not even after waiting a considerable amount of time

[sour horizon]

I dont want it

but there it is

[sweet moss]

yes

[short radish]

[sweet moss]

why not

[shrewd lantern]

is that pin command

[sour horizon]

most cursed luck, got DH myth glaive, with tanking stats xD and puzzle box thats really good but annoying as hell

[shrewd lantern]

different rfom what was said earlier today

holy

[sour horizon]

its clunky, but itll pad my m+ overall dmg LOL

[valid yoke]

Oh god damn it i thought we had to delay our second dance so we had supercharged sectec under blades

I wasn’t dancing till like 4 sec left on my blades fuck sake lol

[pine oyster]

ELI5 - supercharged plz

[lucid jackal]

pressing dance causes your next 2 finishers to spend 2 mroe combo points

can go over max

[pine oyster]

What talent does that? I’ve been browsing the tree and I can’t find it? Or is that just baseline shadow dance?

[hybrid prism]

its on the left tree

at the bottom

[sharp ravine]

Super something

[hybrid prism]

in the middle

and the one above it

[pine oyster]

Ahh found it, thanks

[dusky yacht]

flagus I love you but you're joking right

[dusky yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[hybrid prism]

Just get gaze in your first vault and then guidon in your second

wtf is a poozle bbax

[gilded thistle]

i got 2 hero puzzle boxes and no fucking ring

[sharp ravine]

Just get both in Mythic raid

[gilded thistle]

vendored both of them

[cold citrus]

box aint that bad... i sold hero guidon for 500k today so im still boxin

[hybrid prism]

welcome to the club haha

at least we make people's day when we give it to them

[gilded thistle]

i have guidon and vessel so I'm chillin

[pine oyster]

The other 2 sub rogues in my guild swear by puzzle box, my sims are telling me a champ guidon is better than a hero puzzle box

[gilded thistle]

no need for box

[sour horizon]

sims value sanity

[spiral steeple]

yo guys

someone convince me that puzzle box is worth it

[hybrid prism]

no

[spiral steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8nhiHCvkDq4jvz563iLjg7

[gilded thistle]

the fun multiplier brings down box in sims real hard

[hybrid prism]

ooof

[cold citrus]

why are you simming box on ST

[spiral steeple]

I want to use feather even if it's 600 less

[hybrid prism]

i would use box in m+

but not really in raid

[spiral steeple]

that's hilarious

[sharp ravine]

Box without Potent Powder is bad

[spiral steeple]

because I forget to use it in M+

[hybrid prism]

but even then I prob wouldnt worry about it

[spiral steeple]

great so I'm using it wrong anyway

[dusky yacht]

Then just use feather

[spiral steeple]

so what I'm hearing is all the homies hate the box

[sharp ravine]

Yes

[hybrid prism]

ye

[dusky yacht]

I hate the box but I'm using it tho

[spiral steeple]

hell yeah bro

I'm free

[hybrid prism]

ipso facto, we hate glenn

[dusky yacht]

I mean shit join the club

[hybrid prism]

[sour horizon]

damn Glenn putting myth box in my vault and filling the rest with crap

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/2000s-shaggy-it-wasnt-me-CoejwVQBgdlKg

[sour horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[dusky yacht]

Definitely didn't take your guidon out

And replaced it with a box

[sharp ravine]

Eu vault is in 12 min or 1hour ?

[dusky yacht]

/raidinfo

[spiral steeple]

next question

[sharp ravine]

[hybrid prism]

[spiral steeple]

after doing the quest to get the crucible of erratic whateverthefuck

[dusky yacht]

yes

[sharp ravine]

Maybe

[spiral steeple]

can I do the storm defense thing again to get another void thingy?

[dusky yacht]

yes

[spiral steeple]

dope

so you can get 3?

per week

[sharp ravine]

Yes

[dusky yacht]

yes

[spiral steeple]

what about 4

[dusky yacht]

How many chars you got

[spiral steeple]

wait are the tokens warbound?

[sharp ravine]

Baited

[dusky yacht]

Get one and look at the tooltip

[hybrid prism]

has to be

[tacit aspen]

why in my raidbots quicksim 5 taget, do es the bot shadowstriek once

[hybrid prism]

starts in stealth?

[tacit aspen]

no inside shadowdance

[dusky yacht]

huh

[tacit aspen]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/abAcAXEWT9hg5zsBmSXvzS

[hybrid prism]

if I am hitting 5 targets, in dance I still hit SS

[sharp ravine]

You shouldn't

[hybrid prism]

I didn't say i should, lmao. I am saying it just happens sometimes

[tacit aspen]

it does it every shadow dance

[dusky yacht]

How could you fail us like this sink

[hybrid prism]

[sharp ravine]

Call it prio dmg

It's ok

[dusky yacht]

I was just bursting down this minor add guys

[tacit aspen]

great answers guys thanks for the clarity

[spiral steeple]

I swear if you guys are baiting me into sitting around for 30 mins waiting for this stupid tower defense thing I'm going to write a sternly written letter to the mods

[acoustic drift]

i am simming better with double on use how should I handle puzzle box since guidon lines up on every shadow blades?

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pbsnewshour-trial-trump-new-york-Nl9prizLotZ8bsUeRY

[spiral steeple]

same bro just embrace the passive

[hybrid prism]

https://tenor.com/view/yocanigetadmin-gif-19258048

[dusky yacht]

Guess I'll go do molten core transmog run GOD IM SO BORED WAITING ON RESET

[tacit aspen]

sorry do you guys just meme or actually give advice?

[sharp ravine]

Both

[sour horizon]

tricky

[dusky yacht]

Literally answered all his questions

If it's just "yes" then it's just yes bro it aint deep

[glad bough]

is there a command that autoreplies the link to find the proper sim settings?

[short radish]

both

[tacit aspen]

is the answer that the sim settings are wrong?

[glad bough]

i just want to make sure i am properly siming

[tacit aspen]

would love an answer to this, when in shadow dance

[glad bough]

i run dungeon cleave for m+ and patchwork 1 target for ST. both 6 min. is the time proper or do i adjust it?

[cold sentinel]

What does everyone think for my vault pick: Gaze of the Alnseer or tier set Gloves?

[pine oyster]

Gaze.. can catalyse gloves if you need them?

[west tide]

chat..

[sharp ravine]

Hard to explain but in short its keeping 100% storm crit to have +10% crit on next powder

[west tide]

when we drop so many norm and heroic gazes and the dps gobbled em up and suddenly i was the highest for the myth...

[stuck tulip]

can u get myth track gaze when you havent killed myth chimareus?

from vault

[sharp ravine]

@tacit aspen Sim is maximizing Cold Blood

[alpine nimbus]

Should sub ever have fist weapons equipped or is that strictly an outlaw thing

[sharp ravine]

No

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[heavy steppe]

during the lightblinded vanguard, do we run a aoe talent page or a st page?

[tacit aspen]

thanks! is it worth doign in practice?

[oak sorrel]

go back a few expansions and throw edge of night in your offhand

🙃

[sharp ravine]

Will need fuu or tc to answer that
If sim does it, it mean its better, is it 0.1 or 3% no idea

[tacit aspen]

true thanks makes sense though

[dusky yacht]

Man it's gonna take me 50 years to get Nightslayer lmao, all I need for bloodfang is shoulders now

[sharp ravine]

Depend on secondary stat and trinket, sim yourself for 3 target with both talent spec and see

[upbeat sorrel]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[upbeat sorrel]

so the aa optimization stuff means that when i enter dance and have supercharger available, i want the black bars next to my character before i sec tech?

[dusky yacht]

I don't understand that

[warm marlin]

the command should probably say that it means specifically for the non sectec supercharged finisher

[sharp ravine]

No for sectech but yes for every other finisher

[dusky yacht]

I should figure that shit out it's like I'm reading chinese

[quick marlin]

real..

[sharp ravine]

What shit?

[dusky yacht]

That whole apex talent optimisation thing

[tranquil sorrel]

What should I craft? I have champ off hand champ rings and champ neckpiece?? I have everything else hero or myth

[sharp ravine]

If you have 5+ aa stack and supercharge, use generator

[tranquil sorrel]

Thinking off hand but not usre

[sharp ravine]

Offhand is bad

[tranquil sorrel]

yeah

[sharp ravine]

Last gear slot you want

[tranquil sorrel]

Thinking ring?

[sharp ravine]

Sim yourself with every crafted item and see

Neck is a safe choice if you are not on aleera neck list

[dusky yacht]

I guess I should go to a dummy and figure this out

[upbeat sorrel]

gotcha thanks

that makes a lot more sense

[dusky yacht]

big

W tmog run

[cyan saddle]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[pure cloud]

Is there any kind of WA adjacent addon out there to separate my important buffs out from the clutter

[white tapir]

the final boss midnight falls is all ST right

[tepid trellis]

AoE burst in p1

[quick marlin]

we re good at that right

[dusky yacht]

Guys wtf, why are training dummies attacking me?

[crystal quiver]

holy omega stonks i just got mythic guidon and gaze

[dusky yacht]

what, but you can only pick one?

[karmic harbor]

Are the last 2 bosses good for sub

[native zodiac]

wouldnt say good

but seems like we are playable

[swift tinsel]

how are folks tracking the guidon buff

[karmic harbor]

I really hope I never get that trinket

[silk glacier]

for the embellisment on the weapon does it matter if its in MH or OH?

[karmic harbor]

Or blizzard fixes it so the buff is instant

[cursive forum]

Your hitting dungeon dummy just hit regular one

[silk glacier]

have a hero crest one now and wanted to debate recrafting it or just making a new myth one without embelish

[crystal quiver]

huh?

[crystal quiver]

chim mythic and 1st imper

[dusky yacht]

Oh

Wtf

[crystal quiver]

im not tbh i just poip it before blades

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusky yacht]

Wait so when I'm full combopoints I use shadowstrike to activate aa and then evis or blackpowder? Is that the optimisation?

[steady dune]

is the loot bug still a thing?

[dusky yacht]

Wait so it's only supercharged

[pure cloud]

Which means directly after you hit dance I believe

[dusky yacht]

Ohhh so only then

[pure cloud]

Is there an addon to seperate shadow technique out from my other buffs

[dusky yacht]

You don't force aa before finisher

[dusky yacht]

I have it like this with the in game cooldown thing

[pure cloud]

So in the opener you’ll blades and st. But you’ll dance again without a st. I think that’s where this optimization is going to be most applied

[dusky yacht]

Ooooh right

Thanks man this was confusing the hell out of me

[pure cloud]

Ty

[dusky yacht]

Make sure to drag that stuff to where you want it in edit mode

[pure cloud]

I’ll have to check it out when I get home

[dusky yacht]

"Advanced cooldown settings"

Then this thing

[pure cloud]

Okay yeah cuz I’ve just been looking at my buffs

It’s miserable

[dusky yacht]

Yeah that sucks cause it's always a mess up there

[pure cloud]

Been doing fat damage tho

[dusky yacht]

Yeah sub is sick

I switched from assas to sub and I only got 2p not even 4p and my dps went up by at least 25k overall in m+ and at least 15k in raid

Plus it feels way more comfy to play, assas was making me stress out every single fight

[pure cloud]

Haven’t mained it since legion. I really did miss that opener on boss where your dps is skyrocketing over everyone else’s lol

The dopamine

[dusky yacht]

fr

[sharp ravine]

AND it depend if you have on use haste trinket or not

If yes, then you want to keep dance to get a supercharged sectec at the end of blade

Best if it's the second finisher of this dance

[pure cloud]

I have feather? That means I save the dance to supercharge?

Or don’t dance without st, in other words

[dusky yacht]

I feel like other classes are just pushing buttons and we're over here doing theoretical physics

[sharp ravine]

Check if you reach next breakpoint and sim it

[wintry heart]

Its been asked 1000x times but I cant remember the answer now. The robot does not want me to go above 650 haste... Am I missing something

[dusky yacht]

The robot is doing everything perfectly with 0 delay

You're human

[spare totem]

!Guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[wintry heart]

So I should go to 700ish haste even if the robot doesn't suggest it

[sharp ravine]

GUYS

[pure cloud]

What kind of sim are people running that they can alter how the bot is doing its rotation? I don’t understand

[dusky yacht]

B R U H

fml

[exotic steeple]

BIG F

[sharp ravine]

Waiting for next season I guess

[rancid minnow]

is there a bug with guidon today?

cds keep getting misaligned

[spiral steeple]

since when does chimaerus tail swipe?

[sharp ravine]

Never

[spiral steeple]

literally never been knocked off the platform until right now

ok so wtf is the knockback (not consume)

[sharp ravine]

Cleave ?

[spiral steeple]

no I was behind him

[pure cloud]

I realize I’m being slow with this, but we’re talking about meeting the threshold of 700 haste, with the on use included. Not like baseline

Correct?

[sharp ravine]

No

Wait

[short radish]

no

[fringe geyser]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

700 baseline

[pure cloud]

Okay good, because that’s what I’ve been shooting for. Weight off my chest

[dusky yacht]

The sim is telling me to use that kroluk's instead of crucible excuse me

[valid yoke]

https://gyazo.com/963f272c8afcb464785d2f5131934d9a

idk WTF to do here

[short radish]

general stat stuff is "haste to 700 incl oils and shit" then acquire mastery

if cannot acquire mastery acquire crit

[valid yoke]

Is there any world in which double on use trinket works for us?

[wooden wagon]

Would anyone be down to look at some of my heroic logs from tonight? my damage seems to need some work compared to sub rogues of similar ilvl

!log

[dusky yacht]

Man I am so pissed

[rose spade]

do I use emberwing feather on CD or match with SB/dance?

[exotic steeple]

how many charges can you farm a week if u have 4set?

[short radish]

you acquire a champion puzzlebox instead from AA leather stack

[solar glen]

All

[short radish]

as many as the game wants to drop you

[exotic steeple]

okay good to know ty, worth then to catalyze my champ gear

[short radish]

yes.

[valid yoke]

guys, is there any world in which double on use works for us?

idk what to do with this vault

[short radish]

no

[valid yoke]

send help

[short radish]

you take either puzzlebox or guidon

idk what content you do

[valid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

[celest mulch]

Anybody know the option name in elvui to make you combo bar blue when you have charged points?

[valid yoke]

mythic raiding

so it feels like such a waste to get the guidon (I have it at champ currently)

cos ill likely get it from boss before long

[short radish]

yeah so if you mythic raid

you have multiple attempts at getting mythic guidon

double chance every week

unless heroic guidon sims more than mythic puzzlebox

which i doubt it does

[valid yoke]

https://gyazo.com/c3bf4416e27b6ae432aa47f3376a10e3

(according to liquid armory)

[short radish]

yeah lets not trust random liquid armory sims

your char is your own

you sim your char

not whatever default template they use

[dusky yacht]

Man the sim is telling me to get the crap ass trinket and I'm not trusting it tbh

[quick marlin]

wtf is liquid armory

gg

[short radish]

bloodmallet but costs money or something

[quick marlin]

bricked vault

[short radish]

LOST IDOL OF THE HASHEY

GOTTA GO FAST

[quick marlin]

[short radish]

gloves/shoulders arent bad though

[quick marlin]

ya

was gonna take gloves since mine are champ

and i sent hero into shoulders

[short radish]

oh

big W then

[quick marlin]

and then prolly craft wrists or sth

maybe finger

[pure cloud]

I don’t understand how people are simming different useage of abilities in the opener. Like if someone says ‘sim it’ when I ask if I should be holding my second dance for a supercharged st, what does that even mean

[dusky yacht]

Bro I am so cooked with this vault there is literally no good option except hero legs

[brisk onyx]

what em do you guys use on craft rings?

[dusky yacht]

[brisk onyx]

iris?

[green blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[short radish]

i mean

i wouldnt take anything not myth track

waste of crests if you do

its kinda shit but taking hero legs

is omega troll

espeically at 259

[valid yoke]

okay, how do I use the puzzle box? Solve it as soon as blades it about to come up I guess?

and just use every other blades?

[short radish]

but yes

[spiral steeple]

we did it boys

[short radish]

@dusky yacht if you take hero legs, you're going to find them from a random 10 you do

[spiral steeple]

4pc acquired

[short radish]

and it'll be completley wasted

you don't even save crests

ring saves you 60 crests at least

so does trinket

[dusky yacht]

I mean what else am I supposed to pick

It's all shit

[short radish]

you pick th e ring or the left trinket

or a socket

[brisk onyx]

ring is fine

[short radish]

i'd pick ring or socket

honestly probably the ring

it's shit and you can mald about it but don't take the legs

or do

im not your father

[dusky yacht]

Ring it is I guess

I'm not taking that trinket man it doesn't even do anything for AoE situations

[quick marlin]

crafting feet isnt int is it

[short radish]

probably

[quick marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k5eqTCGY6YMdXUsbAFkxof

craft feet slave away in keys for wrists..

[dusky yacht]

Is it a good idea to just use my catalysts right now to get 4p even if it's on champ pieces..

[quick marlin]

yes

[dusky yacht]

ty

[haughty heart]

Idk if feather trinket or chest (upgraded for tierset) I got the box (champion lvl) and champion ilvl chest currently

[dusky yacht]

You could sim it

[exotic steeple]

anyone else mythc cap didnt increase to 300 this week?

its still at 200 capped for me

[dusky yacht]

Same

[quick marlin]

increased for me

[dusky yacht]

Maybe relog?

[exotic steeple]

tried

didnt do anythig

[wide pasture]

any crazy m+ builds going around

[stoic laurel]

chest is better i think

[haughty heart]

I guess right? feather isnt that good ig

[spark heath]

Guys, hero track Gaze or myth track crit haste dagger from vault?

[exotic steeple]

okay restarting the game works @dusky yacht

[stoic laurel]

hard one

[wintry heart]

I only have 227 legs, should I craft 259 legs? I have 4 set in other slots

[spark heath]

I do have Hungering Victory dagger on hero track, which is apparently BiS, and the myth crafter dagger, if that helps with the choice

[karmic harbor]

do i take guidon or puzzle box 😩

[crystal comet]

I mean isn't Guidon bis?

higher ilvl?

[quick marlin]

id take guidon personally

[dusky yacht]

ty

[quick marlin]

saves on20 crests, not cancer to play and sims better

[crystal comet]

hey sorry if this is a dumb question, how important is trying to get 3rd piece of tier? I've been mostly pugging so my 2pc is from catalyst + last weeks vault. Got 263 alnseer trinket, not sure if better than getting tier gloves and praying for next week 4pc

[trail verge]

Hi guys, Is this trinket ok for sub?

[wintry heart]

Are you close to 2k in keys

[crystal comet]

im 1683, does that matter?

[wintry heart]

You get 1 cata charge at 2k

[crystal comet]

oh sick, then that's obvs better if I can get 4pc this week

thank you, didn't know that!

[tepid trellis]

Dont we also get one for free this week

[wintry heart]

And then after you get 4 piece you can start getting cata charges that drop

[quick marlin]

ya

[wintry heart]

Would yall craft 259 neck or legs? I have 4 piece and both of those slots are adventureer

[haughty heart]

Raidbots says that i loose dps choosing the feather lol, myth feather is worse than champion box, good to know

[dusky yacht]

If I only got 16% haste are the haste ring enchants better than the crit ones?

[spiral steeple]

Someone wanna explain this plume trinket to me? How the hell does it work?

[shrewd lantern]

you can get a hero neck from pvp

[spiral steeple]

do you only get one use per encounter? Looks like you can only swap it out of combat

[wintry heart]

Can I do all those quests in one week

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

or the renown neck

[wintry heart]

Sounds like legs angle

[warm marlin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[spiral steeple]

you son of a bitch

lol

he got me

[wintry heart]

My only option RN to get to our haste breakpoint is to absolutely obliterate thjrough it with a haste flask

damn

[shrewd lantern]

i mean i'd make legs 285 if you really wanted to

[wintry heart]

Just gotta farm the crests and I just might do that

[quaint breach]

🤔

[wary dirge]

My valut kinda sucked ... what do we think here? Take the trink, my only myth option, or take the set peice.

I have 0/4 set with 3 little upgrade things ready to go. My set piece would be champ if I used shards.

Thinking of dumping all my shards and grabbing the 250 set piece.

Also rip on me being lazy on delves thinking (no way my last slot is a set piece)

[open coyote]

Since getting 4 set i have gotten 5 more catalyst charges

[dry flame]

Sooooo, i guess i'll be in Puzzle-Box prison until the end of the Season...

[open coyote]

So i would suggest you do LFR and try to pug normal before selecting

[wary dirge]

Already ran almost everything, only 3 more chance drops, I will complete that first.

I agree I'll wait

[open coyote]

Its Wednesday you ran everything again already?

[wary dirge]

but I'm thinking if I don't get anything I'll try run some M+ to get at least hero in the slot then shard it to a set.

[wary dirge]

The grind is real my friend XD

I just gotta do N drag/pally and then H boss 2 and 3

[open coyote]

Exactly, if you get 3 hero pieces you can take the shitty gloves and get the 4 set and start looting catalysts

[wary dirge]

Yeah

That trink isn't really worth the myth slot imo

works out to about 1200 DPS I calculated

on single target

Thanks for the second opinion

[open coyote]

Contract is okay, not great not terrible but i agree there is probably better stuff

[wary dirge]

yeah being able to freely shard future myth gains and hero gains prolly better imho

[exotic steeple]

yo wtf

i did that neighbourhood quest for 20 hero crests and didnt get them after finishing it

[hazy lichen]

bag

[quick marlin]

guidon's just bugged

insane

[exotic steeple]

im dumb ty

[fluid moth]

it bugs for me a lot

or... not bug, just takes forever for the haste to register

i hate it

[wintry heart]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[hazy lichen]

whats cold blood sound

[ripe flower]

Hero Guidon or Myth tier legs what do you think?

[quaint breach]

legs depending on stats is my guess

[ornate heron]

why does this sim so high on 3 target but not for 1 and 5?

[ripe flower]

the set legs have tons of versatility unfortunately

[karmic harbor]

anyone else having guidon come up after blades?

[elder grove]

I guess that question been asked 100 times but, is it better for us to run PuzzleBox or Guidon?
Or you run one in m+, 2nd in ST?

[ornate heron]

its because youre running keys lower than 12 and the affix lowers cd on blades but not your trinket

[karmic harbor]

ah i see ty

[quaint breach]

somehow, myth tier legs with vers simmed lower than my veteran legs with haste/crit. both maxed upgrade in sim. not sure i trust it

[ripe flower]

eh it's a small difference guess i'll take ilvl, thanks

[elder grove]

vers is bad, i guess you need more haste

[quaint breach]

yea, still low on haste, 479

[wary dirge]

only ~700 haste

to ~20%

flasks can make up diff

[dusty totem]

Try and add some of the other gear in your bags or remove the gems and enchants

flask also works

It is nearly always possible to make a higher ilvl item an upgrade

[quaint breach]

with haste flask instead, legs made a comeback. guess ill be using haste flasks until haste capped

[spare ravine]

Is sword main hand and dagger off hand better than sword sword? I'm new to rogue just looking for some guidance

[main rivet]

You can’t have sword MH as sub rogue. Both dagger is what you want.

[quick marlin]

how did htey manage to fuck guidon man

[west tide]

what if i have 698 haste bro

is it over

[quick marlin]

yea

[loud gyro]

yo guys, need if anyone knows abot ancient arts. Can this buff secret technique to deal the damage of 50% that ancient arrts gives when it procs??

[spare ravine]

Oh ive been using this 20-0-41 build

[full spade]

is third craft yolo send a sim

[shrewd lantern]

buddy this isnt a classic server

[quick marlin]

thats what im doing

[eternal frigate]

Guys I have a question :/ Today i win the "Lisght Company Gidon" but in raidbots not sim very good 🙁 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ntXv8odMwssKWoTD27MXL3

I sim bad or something?

[quick marlin]

ure simming dungeon slice

it loses to puzzle box in a lot of aoe

its miles better in ST tho

[main rivet]

You’re in the wrong channel lol. I think you’re talking about Classic

[eternal frigate]

So its better sim patchwerk 1 boss for ST and change to 8 bosses for aoe (m+)?

[quick marlin]

dungeon slice is fine

it all depends on what u do more

[eternal frigate]

m+

[loud grove]

sometimes lucky

[nova dew]

hey guys any thoughts on whether either trinket is worth taking? also ring is high haste low vers so dont think its worth taking (m+ only player)

[stiff stirrup]

ez weapon or

[jaunty heath]

idk maybe gaze angle since i will never get it from our raid

[agile kernel]

that is an ez weapon

[stiff stirrup]

nah no way heroic worth, i got it yesterday from pug heroic

[lyric ibex]

what u think legs third craft? offpiece + biggest stats no?

[leaden gorge]

is the Voidlight Bindings set effect even worth considering?

[shrewd lantern]

yes

free damage

[leaden gorge]

yeah but the stats on the rings

💀

[midnight vault]

crafting neck today since my lowest ilvl thoughts=

[shrewd lantern]

whats wrong

[leaden gorge]

also how much dmg is it

searching Voidlight Bindings on this server only yields two results

[shrewd lantern]

like 0.5

You can just check logs

[nova dew]

better off getting pvp quest neck its giga heavy mastery

[lean sigil]

is it dumb to do 3rd craft today for myth crest? got shitty wrists that i dont want to see

[olive canyon]

Nothing but dread

[dire ravine]

Anyone able to do a log review of dragons, for me?

[frigid prawn]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[fossil forge]

[celest wyvern]

should I get mythic weapon or mythic set piece?

[plush pilot]

hey guys, wowhead stat prio states 18% haste is 650-700. my stats say I have 575 haste but still 18%? am I getting something wrong?

[hollow spear]

You just ignore the %

You need to be between 650 and 700, rather 700

[native sand]

is timewalking raid out yet this week? for heroic loot

[plush pilot]

ah ok, thanks

simc is telling me haste is my lowest prio atm, do i need to change my sim settings?

[quasi portal]

Simc kills haste at around 600-650 but we humans need a bit more due to being humans and pushing buttons and server lags

Just meatbags things

[plush pilot]

ahhhh right, no worries then

cheers!

[frozen crater]

im at 704 haste, should i delete my character?

[celest wyvern]

go for it

[pliant pendant]

em ? can I go with 2 darkmoon sigil: hunt ? and drop the arcanoweave lining?

[hollow spear]

you could

but why

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[hollow spear]

Eventually you'll want to have a 289 mainhand dagger

And your mythic hunt dagger in your offhand

[pliant pendant]

I have two 285 dagers and a belt and omw crafting a belt

is there a way 2 ssim it ?

[hollow spear]

Two 285 daggers?! Crafted, you mean?

[jaunty heath]

im sending anothe craft this week just not sure which one 😄

[pliant pendant]

yeah crafted

[hollow spear]

Big oof. Offhand is your worst slot.

[vale pine]

#tc-research has a text file in the pins which you can copy/paste

to add all seasonal gear + crafted pieces to your top gear

[hollow spear]

Probably still have to mess with embellishments then right?

Fuu, do you know the % value of the neck proc?

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

you can add them by pressing the small [+] symbols on raidbots

[fossil forge]

Neck angle the last boss neck doesnt exist

[jaunty heath]

there is good crit haste neck too

[dry plank]

myth track puzzle box worse than normal guidon? huh?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2gvpyfnubP57kv3xwndQZf

[flat turtle]

ring angle? dont have enough haste atm to use it tho 💀

[jaunty heath]

but i will never get it in my raid so w/e 😄

[vale pine]

seems not too much

[vale pine]

gaze or ring ye

[plush roost]

Cata boots may also be worth. Sim it

[hollow spear]

Yeah I asked more for them than for me haha

[fossil forge]

Shit pants or bis ring or speed boots

[vale pine]

boots are decent too tho

i have a suspicion on what i take

[hollow spear]

Not crazy, but I expected even less

[jaunty heath]

my best craft options are finger with 1.1% or 1% wrist

[vale pine]

fuck

[tulip light]

if anyone feels bad 🙂

[vale pine]

i don't want to channel 2 secs

[foggy estuary]

scuffed loot locked on trinkets(only the shit ones ofcourse) nice one startupcompany/10 second week in a row

[dry plank]

i have also myth puzzle, but it sims lower than normal guidon how is that possible?

too much mastery?

[jaunty heath]

guidon dosnt really care about ilvl

[quick marlin]

guidon is also fucked

it doesnt buff my first sdance

[dry plank]

yes you need to wait 1 sec

[vale pine]

guidon is good

thats why

[quick marlin]

gg

[brazen stone]

yo team, what did you guys craft after dagger and belt

[arctic scroll]

Hmmmm

[lucid jackal]

pants ended up being better for me but yeah

4craft

[orchid pebble]

send help

[vale pine]

heart of wind is okay-ish passive trinket

but ye, not that great

maybe mythic head

[finite hedge]

thats a back lol

[orchid pebble]

thats not head :(

[vale pine]

oh wait thats not head iirc, whats was mask

[vale pine]

right, i remember

blizz first april's fool in naming

[orchid pebble]

someone in my guild catalyzed it thinking it was a head

[finite hedge]

lmao

[vale osprey]

Good reminder to open my vault tomorrow to avoid being fooled !!!

[vale pine]

true

[echo dirge]

Is there any uncapped crests to be had this week anywhere do we know?

[vale osprey]

Nightmare prey quest each week iirc

[quick marlin]

i just simmed

and sent feet

[quick marlin]

they made it capped

starting this week

[vale osprey]

Good to know - Ty!

[jaunty heath]

crafting ring seems like fun

[quick marlin]

you sim 96k?

is that deathstalker

[jaunty heath]

nah

[quick marlin]

wait link ur sim whats ur gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cgchT4ZvEXCPixzrMhNjwU

[jaunty heath]

idk those sims are fucked up, idk how im suppose to sim upgrade when the haste value keep changing on raidbot mood

[quick marlin]

fair

[vale osprey]

You look at the piece, you see what Sims highest that won't drop you below 650

[pliant pendant]

do I loose my ilvl if I recraft bc I wanna remove embelishment ? do i need crest ?

[vale osprey]

Nope

[jaunty heath]

this neck is cool

[stiff stirrup]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[echo dirge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6K2rSXaQdd6YzwP7qoaxBn

My trinkets are dogshit 🙁

[pliant pendant]

how u got that neck ?

[jaunty heath]

its pvp quest

[quick marlin]

big ring tho

[pliant pendant]

I only have 2 parts of it...

[stiff stirrup]

is it bad to macro guidon with blades dance and sectech combo

[fervent rover]

how to sim all embelishments?

[echo dirge]

Yeah was super nice to get that this morning

[jade urchin]

do i even craft a 3rd item at this point

[quick marlin]

yes

[keen dome]

Myth helm or Heroic alleria neck. Hard choices..

[coarse raven]

hi , why my company guidon dont line up with shadow blade anymore ?

[brazen stone]

haste mastery ?

[echo dirge]

Honestly difficult question with your gear... i crafted legs because i didnt have them and i cant get them from raid in myth track for a while.

So bracer/boots/back crafts.... but they all come from early bosses 😂

[clever shale]

Well i believe nothing beats haste/mastery dagger myth track no?

[echo dirge]

In mythic +?

[coarse raven]

yes

[jade urchin]

it doesnt seem worth id rather keep the crests at this point i think

[stiff stirrup]

the cd reduction thing if you are doing less thatn level 12 keys

[echo dirge]

The new weeks affix reduces the CD on some of your spells by 30% its a weird one this week

[coarse raven]

oh ok, forgot there is affix

[quick marlin]

haste crit

[clever shale]

Well i believe nothing beats haste/mastery dagger myth track no? 😉 or shall i craft another dagger

[echo dirge]

If you are a mythic raider, absolutely do not craft a seccond dagger

If you are not a mythic raider, then absolutely do! 🙂

[brazen stone]

need a crit haste cloak more than ev

[jade urchin]

enjoy running magisters terrace for the next 3 days

[stiff stirrup]

are those stats with flask/oil?

[brazen stone]

without

[brazen stone]

i need the ring too on hero lol

[echo dirge]

Where are all your stats coming from, i swear you got a fuckload

[mortal skiff]

upgrade offhand or head/chest/leg-piece?

[brazen stone]

ummm

[jade urchin]

head chest leg

offhand ilvl bad

[quick marlin]

ya

[coarse raven]

its better to go to 700 haste without flask or not ?

[brazen stone]

the pvp neck from todays weekly maybe

[ornate heron]

is slow offhand okay for sub?

[gray wedge]

Not anymore afaik

[brazen stone]

are we supposed to be 18% with oils or without

[lucid jackal]

700 value however u end up with it

[ornate heron]

why is it better to have dagger in off hand?

[fiery fog]

wtf iis this shit

[gray wedge]

shadow techniques

[vale pine]

attack speed of the weapon

[ornate heron]

attack speed of the weapon affects shadow tech?

[gray wedge]

myth tier helm

[vale pine]

shadow technqiues procs based on auto attacks

so having higher attack speed = more procs

its significant enough to make the cheapest green dagger you can get from the ah

better than a slow offhand

[gray wedge]

At least you can now mog your OH back to the old school stat stick sword/mace/axe if you care about how it looks.

[vale pine]

can slop enemies with your stinky fish bfa transmog

[gray wedge]

huge

[dusty totem]

Does anyone know what the easiest way to farm cata charges is when you have 4pc?

[gray wedge]

Probably keys

Or RBG if you can win a lot

[vale pine]

just do keys

i got quite a lot over time

tho no loot to use them onXD

[gray wedge]

The mog is enteral, loot is only for the season

[short delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[keen dome]

Big neck go brr

[gray wedge]

Time to watch that old mercader video again, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT0fvUCJEHw

[vale pine]

pvp plays to diffrent metrics

but ye

[south moss]

ive found when simming that it greatly overvalues haste because it doesnt realize im gna be using flask + oil to get the 700 haste break point. Any idea how to get around this to make sims useful? Sry if dumb q

[little tapir]

...

Wtf do i even take

[pliant pendant]

prob the wep

[gray wedge]

Kricks and go outlaw

The trinket is good but the orbs are hard to see

[little tapir]

I'll just take Kroluk fuck it

[reef walrus]

set your sim to sim with a haste flask, you can choose what consumables it uses manually

[south moss]

oh damn ok, you can do this in raidbots?

[reef walrus]

yeah

[south moss]

amazing ty ❤️

[vale osprey]

Dagger for mainhand most likely

[reef walrus]

all the way at the bottom of your sim there's dropdown menus for all consumables

[pliant pendant]

why do we want mast in off and agi enchant in mian hand ? when both with agi simc better ?

[little tapir]

I crafter the dagger

For mainhand

[jade urchin]

agi enchant was bugged

its fixed now

go agi both hands

[pliant pendant]

oh rly ! huge

[vale osprey]

Yeah, using a 289 in mainhand and the craft in offhand is the only real option you have from that vault

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale osprey]

Oh shit - when was this fixed?

[jade urchin]

last week or smth

has been a while already

[pliant pendant]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rthvodc8ZEXRys1zAauysF

I sim so low

[haughty mural]

how purple is it for you ? (:

[keen dome]

purple

[west tide]

tfw this neck on droptimizer is only 500 dps if that look like a chud puttin bis

all thesemfs tyna take it

[stiff pollen]

guidon is guidon i guess 😄

[jaunty heath]

how much is the effect on alleria neck worth

[haughty mural]

probably as much as the ring set ?

[jaunty heath]

gotta check some logs

[haughty mural]

thats a wild guess tho

[jaunty heath]

i have it on normal so i cant keep it forever

[stiff pollen]

not sure about the eff, but the haste it gives kinda sets your haste in a good spot

[jaunty heath]

yeah for sure

0.35% on king

[vale osprey]

Why was my trinket in your vault??

[jaunty heath]

those two are indeed same valuie

though the rings keep value in heavy aoe

[west tide]

if u dont have one prob ya otherwise if u have one prog dag..

[little tapir]

Fucking vault 😡

Should have done the raid in hero

[jaunty heath]

i got hero gaze is which is my second biggest upgrade after mythic gaze 😄

[timid trellis]

In wow analyzer i get this 80% och all shadow dance , no problem in m+ , how do you pool energy when waiting on shadow dance and techniqe

[fierce umbra]

This is Shadowdanve counter. it shows how many dances you use in a combat. I made it. so if someone want to use. use it for free

[vale osprey]

But...why?

[pale ravine]

Hi there, Is Light Company Guidon on mythic still the best on use trinket? I am only getting sim numbers from nhc to myth similar to set items upgrades nhc to myth.

[little tapir]

Wait a second

A backstab is not worth delaying sectech i guess

[barren wolf]

good question, why?

[stiff pollen]

just get your cps and few sec before sec tech comes off of cd just stop pressing anything > into dance sec tech macro

[fierce umbra]

i'm not super good at tracking cd so i study lorrgs.io and search a person who kill almost same kill time as my raid team. and check how many dance he use. so while i made it to tracking to see how many dance i use and to calculate more easily when i need to use shadow strike or to see do i need to not use dance or not.

[haughty mural]

free dmg is free dmg i guess

be happy you can proc the neck without other items

[vale osprey]

It would be much better to just follow the rules of dance

Like if you're going to have an icon or w/e that shows number of dance uses just remove it and have the sectec icon there because if sectec is up you press dance - simple as

Also I'd be careful about just putting random zip files into a discord with thousands of people

ewwwwwww

[lilac pendant]

same hahah

[celest spruce]

where can i check if this week is a crafting week?

[tribal blade]

you should be able to craft a 3rd item this week

[celest spruce]

sorry, to clarify, SHOULD I craft this week or not?

[velvet bear]

Is there already shadowstep skip for the wind gauntlet in Skyreach?

[fossil forge]

I cant decide legs (best upg shit stats) bis ring or random ahh nike shoes

[tribal blade]

totally depends on your situation

[celest spruce]

Go on

[fossil forge]

Sim yo self i just explained the situation

[tribal blade]

if you have a lot of myth crests and won't be progging mythic raid

you can most likely craft w/o worry

[fossil forge]

Maybe the move is to craft legs and take ring

[celest spruce]

I have 200 myth crests, and we are currently 4/8 myth and we prog tomorrow. Maybe its best to just upgrade my bis ring and hold crests for potential wep drop on vorasius?

[jaunty heath]

damn i was cooking my hastre for 15min and now i realize that i did not take oils in consideration :D:D

[half osprey]

What are the bis trinkets?

[quaint widget]

debating between neck or shoulders

[broken fable]

Why is every trinket "at 276" in the dungeons simming worse then 263 Crucible of Erratic Energies, did i sim something wrong or ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q9ZBztNnMYNH37zwWMXLoV

[fierce umbra]

i would choose neck

[fiery fog]

are there any good TW items this time?

[primal pasture]

same

[brisk onyx]

Nothing wrong, just cuz crucible is very good until you start get some mythic trinket

[vale osprey]

Crucible is good and you have SUPER low crit - did you set that sim to use crit flask?

[unreal silo]

are there successful chimaerus mythic pugs

[broken fable]

its set to use Mastery flask, but i guess u are right my crit is pretty low

[olive canyon]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[mossy spruce]

rogue in for myth beloren?

[vale osprey]

Run it again with crit flask, that'll change the value a bit

[mossy spruce]

could be april fools?

[compact violet]

big

[broken fable]

will try and do so, do u think i should try and drop some mastery for more crit or?

[oblique crag]

So I just got my four set, but I do not have a Guidon yet. What is the general idea with Shadow Blades now? Just use both Shadow Dances and then do the 2nd Shadow Tech without Shadow Blades? This is assuming I don't have BL.

[vale osprey]

You should do what the robot says but crit flask is nearly 100% the play for you

[quick marlin]

@short radish wlogs is dead did u go down first or 2nd on chimaerus

[meager coyote]

is there any insane firelands item worth trying to get???

for any of the rogue specs tbh any knowers?

[brisk onyx]

Hmm

[tribal blade]

very cool

[brisk onyx]

I remember there is a nice trinket

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

I got neck from vault, so alas.

[tribal blade]

haha damn

[short radish]

1st

[tribal blade]

i had to RL the training grounds bgs

[short radish]

i linked my vod

[tribal blade]

these people are clueless

[keen dome]

I just RL'd Normal Midnight Falls and lmao

holy shit that chime mechanic

Blizz you devils

Doing it via text is not fun

[tribal blade]

lol damn

[keen dome]

Didn't get to see any of P3 'cos the boss was at 3% leaving P2.

[tribal blade]

yeah doing that over disc is WAY easier

[quick marlin]

isnt 2nd better

im officering rn and i can choose when to go

shirley 2nd is better

[tribal blade]

normal is giga undertuned

[short radish]

[quick marlin]

[keen dome]

Me sitting there, trying to do damage "oh god was it T O X or T OV also I have to invert it for raid stack so it's X O T or was it V OT OH I DON'T KNOW"

[short radish]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tu_JuGjIgMM

[tribal blade]

normal is actually hilariously undertuned

[short radish]

going down 1st sucks

wiht pbox

[quick marlin]

LMFAO THE PBOIX

AHAHAHHAA

[ornate lake]

Gaymers hc alnseer or mythic hands?

[keen dome]

You say that but we had a Big Boy Mythic Tank Hero who immediately wiped us on BAlo'ren and then got super toxic it about it.

I kicked him and then we one-shot it and almost one-phased the egg.

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[keen dome]

The typical HoF big shot thinking they get to be mean to people in a random pug.

[short radish]

bro its so bad

it pushes you 2 seconds off

and if you get g1

[quick marlin]

[short radish]

youre sent up

on your 2nd sectech

[quick marlin]

i just put myself g2 all good

[short radish]

its so cringe

based

[quick marlin]

do u play pbox cus u dont have guidon or

[short radish]

no guidon

no splits

no maidens