subtlety

[shrewd lantern]

wdym

[mental ledge]

Though my raid loot luck is abysmal so I’d have to wait for guidon to show up in vault one day.

[real belfry]

So i've got 80 Myth Crests.

1/6 Myth Boots (no 6/6 Hero)

6/6 Champion Chest

Is it worth it to just craft the chest here? They're both 80 crests.

[sweet moss]

rly? XD

[shrewd lantern]

tfw i reach that naturally

due to puzzle cast time

[sweet moss]

i sweare puzzle simms so bad for me

even hc one

[manic salmon]

[sweet moss]

jjust saw that log

[manic salmon]

it doesnt matter that i was turbo mid the last 2 phases

i still topped throughout the fight

[chrome palm]

???

[odd jacinth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[manic salmon]

HOLY MOLY

MEOW MEOW :3

[sick sand]

sup guys can someone glance at my log, cant seem to find out why my sectec dmg so low
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9Rm2WgCG7y1qcZYL?fight=13&type=damage-done

[chrome palm]

🤖 🇨🇳 what kind of cat is this ❓

[chrome quiver]

Might be a stupid question and probably asked before, but what is the problem in macroing Light Company Guidon into a macro where you just start with use 13 or 14, then pot, then sb, then dance and last s-tech?

[manic salmon]

its ruetoo

[chrome quiver]

i here something about gcd, but me i'm too fucking stupid to understand it

[wintry heart]

The haste buff is delayed

[chrome quiver]

so when can i actually use it

[manic salmon]

never

[wintry heart]

Press it and wait like one second before pressing blades

[chrome quiver]

so i just go puzzle instead

[manic salmon]

i would go guidon still

you can use it on your first global (shadowstrike)

[graceful osprey]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[manic salmon]

wait for gcd to come back up

[wintry heart]

Waiting 1 sec to pop guidon > solving a puzzle for me lol

[manic salmon]

and then send cds

imagine if we had a weakaura that could tell us if we have the buff.......

[chrome quiver]

hmmm i'm trying to find like how i can do a workaround with it with a fucking macro

cause my adhd don't wanna wait 1 sec xd

[sweet moss]

wait im trolling then

[oak hearth]

does sub rlly need macros tho

macroless gaming all 2026 boys

[sweet moss]

yes if u wanna min max obvs

[chrome quiver]

puzzle gives me a better opener and i can always just vanish if some other idiot prepulls

cause then i can go full send

[manic salmon]

if... we didnt have the coup gcd bug perhaps not

[chrome quiver]

HMM DECISIONS

[manic salmon]

you wouldnt be trolling but

[sweet moss]

wait so i shouldnt macro guidon

[shrewd lantern]

prepull?

@boomkins

[sweet moss]

O.o

[manic salmon]

Ye i mean

not like sub now has many buttons after pruning

[sweet moss]

or is it barely a thing

[manic salmon]

i have like 4 buttons free after pruning

[sweet moss]

yeah idm pressing

if thats tech

[shrewd lantern]

bs in dance macro, flag, rupture, sod

[sweet moss]

i see ppl mcro is still

[shrewd lantern]

4 buttons lost still

[manic salmon]

i still havent replaced my backstab in dance

its still shift 1

its so funny comparatively

i track 3 buttons on my ui

[chrome quiver]

so opener is shadowstrike, i dance (with Guidon) i wait 1 sec, i sb with pot and s-tech?

[manic salmon]

No

[shrewd lantern]

you forgot the evis to get snd

[manic salmon]

shadowstrike & guidon, wait 1s for haste

then send blades + sectech macro

the rest is history

[chrome quiver]

cool ty

[winged anvil]

Do you want to SD as soon as the first one runs out? (in opener)

[pseudo raptor]

What should i spend my 3rd craft on. Stlil have a champ offhand, should i just craft another dagger? Have belt/dagger at mythic crafted already

All my other pieces are pretty much hero 3/65

[alpine wraith]

depends on gearing

if you have 4 set and guidon you can do some min max things

[shrewd lantern]

there is no suggestion because sending gilded on crafted gear past the first 2

isnt optimal

so its whatever slots you have weak

[chrome quiver]

but i want full cp to do max t-tech?

[alpine wraith]

see if any jewelry craft or wrist/belt is good for you

i would sim weapon is kinda last upgrade

[sweet moss]

how much is this doing

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you vanish strike after the evis

[alpine wraith]

unless you get a Myth off hand then send crests in to that one

we dont really do the strike evis vanish strike

anymore

[shrewd lantern]

i personally would guidon on the vanish strike before sending cds

[alpine wraith]

as it wastes one of the prepull superchargers

[shrewd lantern]

oh wait right

[manic salmon]

doing what

[alpine wraith]

just strike guidon wait a bit then go into dance

[shrewd lantern]

its worth not having snd the first few hits?

[manic salmon]

how do you pronounce guidon

geedon?

[shrewd lantern]

🤔

[manic salmon]

gowhydon?

[alpine wraith]

if it is like the french one it is gwidon or something like that i think

[manic salmon]

ew frenchies

[alpine wraith]

but someone may correct me

[chrome quiver]

ye so just to be sure, strike, evis, vanish, strike (with Guidon), full sent dance with cds and big s-tech macro

[manic salmon]

yeah someone may

[shrewd lantern]

well apparently not worth nowadays

[upbeat merlin]

Maybe some help…What am i doing wrong on Aleria: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DPHdcz8qjQTfbBpA?fight=11&type=damage-done

[mental saffron]

You need to do more dmg

[stuck tulip]

brotha 14-15 keys are horrible as a rogue, queue simulator

[chrome quiver]

so no vanish for snd or yes

in opener

[chrome palm]

nah

i think just ds

which isnt palyed

[faint quest]

petiton to remove cast time from puzzle box please

[chrome quiver]

alrighty i take on that problem when we play ds

so probably next season xd

[chrome palm]

(never)

[chrome quiver]

or that

[shrewd lantern]

trickster just flows way smoother

tbh

[tranquil sorrel]

Bruh what makes it so sometimes during shadowblades Sectec is gonna be off cd for 2nd danse with a little delay and sometimes not?

[vocal torrent]

Gaze or mythic tier

[tranquil sorrel]

Gaze

[shrewd lantern]

prob the legs

those are offpiece anyway

[hushed roost]

no catchup mechanic on crucible for alts

my life is over

[vocal torrent]

I also have 4 catalyst charges so could flip the shoulder

[drifting ether]

Rings the play here ay

[tranquil sorrel]

This

[tepid trellis]

time to meter mog on this in a few weeklies before bed

[hushed roost]

those are really good tier slots

[chrome quiver]

Wait for raid, get your guild to give you gaze and take myth tier = ez win and very much what a fellow rogue would do

[shrewd lantern]

i mean hero gaze isnt that crazy

[chrome quiver]

And ofc never show your vault

[shrewd lantern]

over the other hero stat sticks

hero trinkets are kind of whatever

if it was mythic gaze it'd be a different story

[open moss]

do you like play with it?^^ I have guidon in veteran and think is "better"

[vocal torrent]

my raid lead said to slam gaze so the gig might be up

[shrewd lantern]

highly doubt gaze is better than legs

[spare totem]

!trinkets

[chrome quiver]

Rookie mistake

[shrewd lantern]

unless your trinkets are total beans

[vocal torrent]

[oak socket]

Id def prefer Guidon but this is what I got lol

[vocal torrent]

they are

[chrome quiver]

Never show vault to officers

[vocal torrent]

my current legs

[shrewd lantern]

because like gaze is only slightly better

than other hero stat sticks

that are good

[vocal torrent]

my trinkets

(lol)

[shrewd lantern]

why is your trinkets still 250

watdahelly

[spare totem]

How are we using guidon? before our SD/ST macro?

[open moss]

heeeyyy nothing agains 250 trinkets

[shadow lance]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[shadow lance]

• Use 1 sec before SB/SD/ST

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you should have sent champ crests on those

[vocal torrent]

didnt have trinkets worth upgrading and havent gotten drops, slammed champion crests into other stuff

[shrewd lantern]

since those are your higher value slots

trinkets/chest/legs/helm

are usually the good slam slots

[spiral steeple]

Man some of this tech is so cool

[vocal torrent]

I used them on my normal tier chest shoulders helm etc

[spiral steeple]

I wish I hadn't quit retail and I kept up on all of the changes over the years

I love theorycrafting this type of shit

[halcyon roost]

should i go the shadow dmg neck here

i was told it has a lower drop rate than gaze

[alpine wraith]

yea it is very rare

[halcyon roost]

and its wanted by everyone

[alpine wraith]

problem is that is normal neck

[halcyon roost]

i mostly play m+

[shrewd lantern]

personally i would take the xenas ring

[alpine wraith]

if it was hc i would take it

[shrewd lantern]

since you'd need to see both

[alpine wraith]

but a hero track neck is better

[upbeat cradle]

yeah i'd take the ring if it completes the set

[alpine wraith]

specially if you get the pvp one for free this week

i would also go ring

[upbeat cradle]

or the trinket

[shrewd lantern]

even if it doesnt complete the set like....

its a challenge to get both of them

on myth

[halcyon roost]

i dont think ill heroic raid

so still no?

[upbeat cradle]

oh wait trinket is normal

nvm

[alpine wraith]

getting the other one in hero track is easier

[shrewd lantern]

i personally wouldnt take gaze from vault that isnt mythic

but yeah

[alpine wraith]

yea ring is the play

[upbeat cradle]

yeah for sure

[shrewd lantern]

Honestly i dont recall if set bonus of the xenas rings

is based on the ilvl of the higher or lower ring

oh god we might want to farm them on m0 start of next season 2

[halcyon roost]

hmm

[shrewd lantern]

for early boost

pain

oh nvm m0 is only the current season

[half comet]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[plush olive]

When was our aoe blind supposed to come back again?

[agile ingot]

12.0.5

[half comet]

so i can send all cds .1 second after using guidon all that matters is that its not on the same gcd as dance?

[timber quiver]

!faq

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[upbeat cradle]

it takes 0.5-1s for guidon to update dance i think

depends on when you logged in

[bitter echo]

yo, quick question, on ST dance, do we weave in other abilities to proc lash macabre?

[half comet]

ok so i should just do it with a 1sec cd on blades or something then

[upbeat cradle]

no

[shrewd lantern]

lash is just free damage

[upbeat cradle]

you just spam SS, evi, ST

[shrewd lantern]

you dont think about it

at all

[bitter echo]

sweet

[wild briar]

Does this mean that the trinket should not be in a macro?

[upbeat cradle]

nope

[shrewd lantern]

a macro presses them together

[upbeat cradle]

you can macro shadow blades with dance and sectech/pots tho

[shrewd lantern]

so thats not optimal

[upbeat cradle]

if you want ease of use

[shrewd lantern]

sd/st macro and sb/sd/st macro arent bad to have

[wild briar]

I have sb/sd/st + Guidon

[shrewd lantern]

well you probably arent getting the guidon haste

since dance goes off same time as guidon

[upbeat cradle]

unless you use castsequence, is that still a thing in macros ?

[wild briar]

thanks

[shrewd lantern]

not for off gcd abilities

they'll technically be "in order" but still on the same second

[dense mountain]

hmmm

myth tier chest or heroic gaze?

[shrewd lantern]

do you have wep

heroic gaze really isnt all that...

[dense mountain]

crafted 1, and ill just get that off 2nd boss eventually

[shrewd lantern]

unless your passive is omega shit tier chest is going to sim higher likely

[finite hedge]

I forgot if you get a myth piece in same slot as crafted, does the myth piece get free upgrade to 5/6?

[timber quiver]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[halcyon roost]

im going ring guys, thanks

[icy pond]

Is it true that this trinket has a bug in the sims? Vessel of Tortured Souls

[weak vector]

If only people said this in Raids

[alpine wraith]

dont worry we are solid top 10 dps

[short radish]

[tepid trellis]

take vessel

no balls

[alpine wraith]

stealthi chaotic mode

[short radish]

[icy pond]

i see the trinket strong in sim but 1% of rog play with on log 😮

[calm cape]

Though one here, i got the biss trinket in a lower ilvl 263 max.

Got the option from the biss trinket at 272 myth lv.

Got tier pants and complete 4 tier now or wait drops and another week.

Im considering choosing the biss trinket even with lower ilvl then the 285 one

Help me

haha

[rich canopy]

Does pre-dancing for charged points no longer work?

[short radish]

i wouldn't pick a champ trinket

over myth track pants

[calm cape]

And vessel trinket, no way, pick biss one and be happy ?

[short radish]

do not listen to stealthi

do not pick vessel

[short aurora]

janitor ass trinket

[tepid trellis]

pick vessel

[short radish]

by w3 you should have 3 cata charges

[tepid trellis]

broken trinket

ong

[short radish]

2 from natural
1 from ksm

so you have 4p

[tepid trellis]

[short radish]

stealthi what was your vault

who hhurt you this morning

[vagrant sinew]

he wont be hurt for another 5h

[tepid trellis]

im eurpean

[shrewd lantern]

bis only applies if mythic

[tepid trellis]

aint got mine yet

[short radish]

actual chaos raccoon

[tepid trellis]

Ryler we need to convine hemi to do Nightmare mode with us on serca release

[calm cape]

Gaze os the better choice even with lower ilvl ?

[shrewd lantern]

no

[clever shale]

Light Company Guidon is this trinket as mythic track bis for sub in M + ?

[tepid trellis]

id say so yes

[short aurora]

i mean

[clever shale]

better than algathar trinket ?

[short aurora]

you got unlimited shadowdance duration with tfd

[tepid trellis]

guidon is slightly worse than Puzzle in high target AoE but infinitely better at lower targets/single target

[clever shale]

what do u think shall i euqip both of them or i take a passive trinket

[tepid trellis]

guidon + passive

[calm cape]

i already have guidon

too

[clever shale]

someone offering 2 m

i already have these

[vale osprey]

Take it

[calm cape]

so i should pick vessel ?

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah

bis isnt a thing until mythic

[short radish]

gold is eternal, gear is temporary

[quick marlin]

2m is a lot of money

[clever shale]

2m is 70$

[short radish]

thats 9 tokens

[quick marlin]

if u need the 2m take the gold

if ure sitting on 5m then keep the trinkie type shi

[short radish]

ask for 2.5

[short aurora]

5

[clever shale]

i dont know how good is the trinket thats the isue

[tepid trellis]

what if im at 71m gold?

[quick marlin]

see if u can buy rogue some buffs..

[vale osprey]

Well it's our BiS

[quick marlin]

[vale osprey]

But like

[clever shale]

even in M+ ?

[vale osprey]

idk listen to what Stealthi said above

[bitter echo]

do we hold shadow blades for puzzlebox CD?

[tepid trellis]

no

other way around

[vale osprey]

If you're gonna push for title you have time to get another mythic guidon

[vagrant sinew]

guidon isnt bis for m+ iirc just good

[clever shale]

well stealthi said its good on small pulls but i believe overall in dunegon at the end it will be better

[bitter echo]

So hold puzzlebox for shadowblades?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[clever shale]

also am thinking of going two use trinkets XD

[tepid trellis]

dont

[short radish]

dont

[tepid trellis]

its not good

[calm cape]

when u say this, its Mythic raid level or mythic compared gear ?

[vagrant sinew]

myth track

[quick marlin]

myth track

[clever shale]

@tepid trellis check ur dms ❤️

also is there any certin mechanic for the trinket or just Macro it

[eager latch]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[eager latch]

do you need 700 haste exactly?

or just close to there

[bleak night]

any more or any less and you explode

[short aurora]

double on use cooking in the making

[bleak night]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cavif-cavifax

you with 701 haste

[eager latch]

i'm at like 680 right now

[short aurora]

use weapon oil

[bleak night]

avoid stairs

[short aurora]

boom

[eager latch]

oh shti weapon oil that's right

not using it right now

whew

thank you gamer

we're so back!!!!!

[tribal blade]

it's just that easy i guess

[bleak night]

what the hell

give me

[short aurora]

na

Mr Hongkong eating good

what the helly

[tribal blade]

i feel like this is worth taking over the M+ pieces

[shrewd lantern]

secret bubbling wax tech

[tribal blade]

2 capes and 1 gloves to cata into tier

[short aurora]

surely you get neck from reclear

no?

[jagged hazel]

is it best to just send crests on myth track gear?

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy locust]

Hey! any reason to craft a belt over a cloak? seeing the guide recs that. ty!

[tepid trellis]

shits marginal craft w/e you have the shittiest ilvl on

[acoustic ginkgo]

wait should we be on 5/5 this week or 6/6 spark

[quick marlin]

6/6

[acoustic ginkgo]

im 5/5 done the quest this week and i did midnight tour quest wtf

[bleak night]

the currency will show 5/5 because the world tour spark isnt counted

but you should have 6 now yes

[acoustic ginkgo]

oh yeah im blind

nvm haha

tyty

[arctic heart]

guys im running puzzeblx and fucking crucible, without both trinkets from raid theres nothing that we can replace those two?

i try to simm every possible trinket and none is a upgrade, even being fully hc is not better than crucible and puzzle 😐 its sounds about right?

[plain cradle]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[quaint lodge]

Friends, I am trying to verify info, is panda the best race for sub rogue and where can I find the race dps sims

[cosmic prairie]

i think the amount of attack speed we have makes us have to pay more in repair fees

[stable badge]

is puzzle box good on sub?

[quaint lodge]

^ Yes this is strue

^ Yes

[cosmic prairie]

ive never had weapons break this fast

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

#tc-research message

should be yes, but sim yourself anyway

race sims aren't in fuu sheet

[quaint lodge]

thank u fimbul my goat

[scarlet pasture]

how I use a secret technique on proc apex talent secret techinque proc 2 time or what ?

[short radish]

👍

[woeful barn]

I got the hero matrix restabilizer. It's not that much better than crucible for me at max rank

[quaint lodge]

fimbul today i will using ur incredibly ethical strats

to win

goodbye to ur rank 1

[woeful barn]

[short radish]

hell yeah brother

someone has to kill adds

may as well be you

[quaint lodge]

Indeed.

[stable badge]

what should i take

[woeful barn]

lol

middle left looking obvious

[stable badge]

XD

[quaint lodge]

puzzle box looks good here but sim it

[supple barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fFHRJ2HPzv3sViSQtAUNvy would yall upgrade or hold off

[harsh gale]

is the haste breakpoint still main priority stat over everything else? dropped a ton of haste getting my 4set today

[supple barn]

i used haste/mast gem or haste flask until hitting 700

[lyric iris]

mythic piece right

[harsh gale]

might do that. was doing that two weeks ago with early gear then i was at good haste before getting all my tier pieces

[grave delta]

Can i set a pre pull dance reminder with some addon

I miss weakauras 😭

[harsh gale]

luckily i can get away with the cheap haste flask since itll get me right to 750ish

[vital dove]

dont forget that you get some haste from weapon oils

[short radish]

@tepid trellis

[harsh gale]

i did factor that in. with weapon oils it puts me at 605

I hate to not use a crit flask in raid but it is what it is

[vital dove]

its not easy to say whats more valuable mastery or crit, depends on your current gear stat weights

[short radish]

you should be using mastery anyway

[hazy lichen]

if i spam 1 specific dungeon for my vault will it only drop that dungeon gear in the vault

[gilded thistle]

if you're playing with slightly higher latency would it be worth going over 700 haste for a bigger buffer zone?

[short radish]

no

[alpine void]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[paper vessel]

Should i use haste flask if im at 631?

[harsh gale]

I wouldn't. I think that's close enough

[blissful sail]

thoughts on this trinket?

[short radish]

it's not

[strange heath]

so should we be using the everything in one macro or no?

[south moss]

this is probably an unanswerable question so just tell me to f off if so but would you guys prioritize getting the 4 set even if it means taking a hero item or would you take the myth items and delay the 4 set.

[short radish]

depends what your gaer is

[short radish]

do you have 1p yet?

[strange heath]

wtf is 1p

[south moss]

i have 2 pieces

[strange heath]

i have 4 piece tier

[short radish]

have you used cata?

[south moss]

basically i could either take tier set hero from vault and catalyze another hero to give me 4, or i could take myth and catalyze that but then i only have 3 piece

i have one cat remaining

used 1

[short radish]

okay sorry i should have asked instead

"did you get a random piece of tier anywhere over the last 2 weeks"

[south moss]

yes

[short radish]

then you have 4p once you get ksm

[south moss]

yes, but is it worth getting the 4 even if it means taking a hero item from vault instead of myth

is the question

thanks for your help

[short radish]

no

you get 4p without that hero item

[south moss]

no i dont, because i only have 2 pieces right now

[short radish]

1 random drop
2 cata charges
1 ksm cata charge
= 4p

[south moss]

sorry

what is ksm cata charge

[strange heath]

wdym it depends, whats the criteria here for if i can macro everything together or not?

[uneven ginkgo]

so im trying to keep shadow dance constantly rolling right , maybe pool both charges when Shadow Blades is coming off cd

[short radish]

depends what macro you're talking about, what trinket you have

[near hemlock]

is 3rd craft on a ring okay?

[short radish]

you get a free cata charge from eitther

1.6k pvp rating
2k mmr
aotc achieve

[near hemlock]

at this point it's just w/e slot is low?

[strange heath]

PBOX

#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Secret Technique
/use Tempered Potion
/use 13
/use 14

[south moss]

2k mmr is mythic rating?

[strange heath]

this one

[short radish]

yeah sorry 2k i o

[south moss]

ok cool ya im at 3k

when do we get the 2nd natty cat charge?

[short radish]

so 2 things

1 - you can't macro pbox because its a channel
2 - thats old potion

[short radish]

check your bags

[sweet moss]

anyone know why i sim so much lower replacing my 250 guidon with 276 puzzle?

[strange heath]

yuh i know about puzzle box, i just mean is there a scenario where macro ing everything together is bad?

and the potion

[south moss]

wait so youre saying if im over 2k rating i should have 3 cat charges?

[empty hull]

What actually happens at the haste Breakpoint?

[short radish]

the macro without the trinkets is fine

[short radish]

yes

[south moss]

oh wtf

you saved me wow

[short radish]

you leave the bench

[south moss]

i love you

[gilded thistle]

you get an item when you hit 2k

[short radish]

❤️

so you cata all your pieces

acquire 4p

then get a random drop to cata the myth legs from vault

[gilded thistle]

you get the highest number of gcd's realistically possible during dance iirc

[sweet moss]

is 18% haste breakpoint with or without guidon

lol

[short radish]

at 18% it gives you 2 dances + some margin of error due to 1.2 coup cast

but really most people are sitting at around 680-700 which is like 19%

[short radish]

without

[sweet moss]

mby thats why i sim lower

[short radish]

sims for some reason are really wacky with haste

[sweet moss]

cause puzzle box would drop my haste bellow 18

[short radish]

[alpine wraith]

you want 700 haste rating not % tho take care

[undone mesa]

guys, with 4p we can chain 2 sectec in a SB, we should hold dance and supercharge for the second one or use to fill our SB timer with dance and at end we use sectec?

[slow hamlet]

Is there any items from firelands that matter this time?

[south moss]

@short radish you are actually my hero i almost cooked myself

[short radish]

no wukkas mate

my mate did the same

cata charge sitting in her bag

[sweet moss]

i read it

didnt help

XD

[short radish]

unluggy

[undone mesa]

someone can help me?

[sweet moss]

hold it

[short radish]

[sweet moss]

and use with dance

after

[alpine wraith]

what you said makes no sense you just want to supercharge both

so delay second dance but you need guidon

otherwise just send 2 dances in a row

[short radish]

if youre in lust you can hold the 2nd dance

only on pull though

[undone mesa]

i have it, so i hold the second dance to use with sectec at the end o SB, right?

[near hemlock]

Even out of lust the 2nd sectec stil falls in a shadow dance and SB, but wont be supercharged right?>

you just delay the 2nd SD a few seconds?

[short radish]

sorry, that should be if youre in lust and don't have guidon

[alpine wraith]

you can always do it just annoying to do

[undone mesa]

on lust i get it, sectec comes up way more faster, but im lost with te second burst and after

[lucid jackal]

How long to u hold sectec for

Or like

Sit at max cp

[alpine wraith]

you pool like 4 secs or so before dance

[short radish]

i do 3.142 seconds because funny

[alpine wraith]

as in stay at full cp and just auto

[lucid jackal]

Do u always try and get a apex on ur first dance

like

ur first sectec in dance

[alpine wraith]

maybe stab once to try to rng a flawless refresh if you are at 5 stacks

nah apex sec tech is whatever

but if you want to evis strike sec tech

[short radish]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[alpine wraith]

you do want to apex first evis

[near hemlock]

I have guidon but no lust.

I think do: SB -> SD->Sec Tec, evis etc-> wait 3 seconds before 2nd SD -> SD -> Evis -> Sec Tec right before SB runs out?

[short radish]

if you have guidon you can do it every time

[finite crow]

Why sre people clearing molten core?

[short radish]

for the love of the game

[near hemlock]

ya so that's basically every SB

[warm marlin]

its cata ragnaros not vanilla

for timewalking quest

[finite crow]

Aaa i see

[undone mesa]

my major question was about the supercharge, we save it to second sectec or dump it on evisc

[finite crow]

Im eu

[near hemlock]

just dump I think, you hold for way too long if you try to line it up

with Lust it lines up

[finite crow]

So not yet happened for me xD

[warm marlin]

what u tryna say here

[undone mesa]

trully lost about, did not see anything about on faq

[near hemlock]

My sim just sends it

[near hemlock]

opener / No lust for 2nd dance

[undone mesa]

lol, really missed it so, sorry

[short radish]

no worries

[near hemlock]

yo my sim does not do this

[short radish]

there's a lot of shit there

[short radish]

for once there's a lot of stuff we're doing that doesnt match up to the sims

we go off vibes and feelycraft now

i.e. sims want 500 haste

[gilded thistle]

okay, so when I delay for a second to make sure I get the haste benefit from guidon, I never have enough time to get a second sectec off during SB. What am I doing wrong here?

[near hemlock]

we love it

[alpine wraith]

maybe i do a video tomorrow about that min max but also i have a backlog of uploading the mythic kills too xd

[near hemlock]

whyat is your haste

[gilded thistle]

765 with oils

[short radish]

you generated instead of spent

[lucid jackal]

LIke

[short radish]

should have zigged instead of zagged

[lucid jackal]

Like

Sectec is 5 seconds

[torn tide]

where did yall pick up the timewalking quest?

[lucid jackal]

I have 3 shadowy technique stacks

Im at 5 cp

DO I backstab at max CP to force apex to proc

to have the sectec, SC, apex combo

[alpine wraith]

you dont care about apex on sec tech

itis whatever

[near hemlock]

Ya you gotta line it up to be max CP when it comes off CD

[alpine wraith]

just send it full cp

[short radish]

you don't force apex, you backstab to get max cp though and then you can sectech+dance

[near hemlock]

also it looks like there is a smal delay between your SB and first sectec

you can macro em

[gilded thistle]

I see... it's just that one gcd then

god that's tight

[undone mesa]

we try to force apex to coup?

[gilded thistle]

how annoying

[short radish]

that's what he said.

[alpine wraith]

we force apex on supercharged finishers

[short radish]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[alpine wraith]

anything other than that is whatever except for DS where you apex DN

you can min max something a bit on some pulls so begin next dance with apex to get apexed bp

in m+ where some of them you triple dance

but first get the basics always

[warm marlin]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[warm marlin]

u dont try to apex sectec

[undone mesa]

got it, will try it this farm

[gilded thistle]

how much does this optimization matter you think? It feels so awkward holding everything

[west tide]

when i min max just so my devourer can mog me endlessly misplaying

[gilded thistle]

I don't think I have the self control to pull off the delayed second sectec on an actual boss

must spam

[short radish]

idk i don't have guidon

[gilded thistle]

bummer

[short radish]

[sweet moss]

surely u hold it for next sec tech with blades

dance

im ean*

[gilded thistle]

yeah poor phrasing

still holding it to supercharge

but not trying to sqeeze it in during that last second of sb

because that's annoying

[sweet moss]

ah okay

[alpine wraith]

you get it with blades always if you have 4 set

[sweet moss]

yeah i never can tell if thats worth

[alpine wraith]

what you might not get if you misplay a bit is the guidon on second dance

[sweet moss]

u can squeeze in the sec tech in first blades 2nd dance

[gilded thistle]

that might be what im missing, it feels unbearably close

[hazy breach]

It is very tight

[sweet moss]

is it worth if u can?

[hazy breach]

But lining up dance at the end of blades is like -0.2%

[sweet moss]

and then u just hold dance a bit longer later

[alpine wraith]

yea i think me and others are doing a bit of a cope with entering at 3 or 4 secs on sec tech instead of full cp and trying to raw dog it

[hazy breach]

So you can do that instead, which is not tight at all

[gilded thistle]

okay this is what I was wondering, question answered, ty

just gonna do that lol

[hazy breach]

Which means you dont get a supercharged sectech

But you gotta get the sectech off immediately when its ready

[sweet moss]

wati wdym

[warm marlin]

u just want 1sht minimum ideally 3 if you can going into dance to do dance/sectec -> strike -> apex finisher, sectec provides 2 sht before the strike. kind of a vibes thing how much pooling that requires, the sim will stop finishing 3s out but i find in gameplay that 5s is a bit more comfy

[sweet moss]

need a vid of giga bis opener

or smthin

[hazy breach]

Dance at the start of blades, then hold the second dance until your blades has 9 seconds left

[sweet moss]

okay will try

this with guidon

[strange heath]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[sweet moss]

hmmm okay

will try on dummy

[iron obsidian]

what should our second craft + embelish be?

[sweet moss]

check wowhead

[alpine wraith]

you mean third craft

ideally you already crafted second on you weakest spot or a big budget item

[sweet moss]

and then its like giga sketch to fit in

[gilded thistle]

okay am I getting this right now? This is the sketchy super tight opener right?

[oak grotto]

Do you send your second SecTech without dance during blades?

[sweet moss]

why so late dance?

[gilded thistle]

uhh idk, thats what the faq said to do

[hazy breach]

Nope you didnt dance when guidon was still up

[gilded thistle]

So cast the second :ShadowDance: right when :SecretTechnique: has 2 seconds left of its cooldown and have it be the second finisher.

[gilded thistle]

i hate this

so much

[sweet moss]

i see

delete guidno

XD

guidon

[hazy breach]

I should probably just change it to whatever i wrote before, its way easier

[oak grotto]

Cause you do Dance + Blade + SecTech, and then second dance after first falls off, but do you send SecTech in blades without Dance, or do you keep SecTech for when you can dance + SecTech but blade has fallen off

[hazy breach]

But not really worse

[gilded thistle]

BLIZZARD PLEASE LET ME TRACK MY TRINKET BUFFS

FOR CHRIST SAKE

THIS IS TOO HARD

making me look up in the fucking corner of my screen in a sea of buffs to try and find it

is just insane

[uneven ginkgo]

just look at the buff in the buffs section

[gilded thistle]

thats like impossible when you're in a real pull and you have a million things ticking on and off of you

[rain hull]

how much haste do we pref for M+? i heard about 300 - 400?

[tribal blade]

if you do that without a tank pulling around you

you're gonna do negative boss dam

haven't tried it though

so who knows

[sweet moss]

@hazy breach have u got clip of openenr with guidon?

[stable badge]

What kind of weapon should i craft? im new to sub so i dont wanna mess up

[gilded thistle]

okay alternative cursed opener where you send both dances consecutively with no delay, and save the second supercharged point for sectec by spamming shadowstrike at max cp without finishing 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

[sweet moss]

huh

[sweet moss]

dagger

[vital dove]

only use acuity for mainhand, as i do so offhand goes otherwise normally arcane mastery

[uneven ginkgo]

sims for me say acuity on both

[gilded thistle]

wait fuck this doesnt work cuz dance will run out before sectec is back up

[prime pier]

Do you guys use your secret technique when it comes back in the opener when shadow blades are still up for 2-3 sec?

[oak grotto]

Are you thinking without Dance?

[prime pier]

No

[hazy breach]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[prime pier]

In raid wee get so much haste in the opener that we could use 2 secret techniques

[sweet moss]

I swear using dance someoentimes cancels apex tal

[hazy breach]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[strange heath]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[fallow nimbus]

For me too

[sweet moss]

oh fk

ive been playing around it

alwayas

[warm marlin]

its more like the last 5-6s right

[sweet moss]

lmao

for full hc clear today

[hazy breach]

No

[warm marlin]

or this is the simplified version

[half comet]

so how do i know how long before i can start using dance for guidon

[hazy breach]

Yes its the simplified one thats like 0.1-0.2% worse

But infinitely easier

[warm marlin]

ah

[half comet]

can i track once i get the buff?

[strange heath]

do you macro guidon into shadowblades and then wait to cast the last one?

[warm marlin]

thought it was further behind still

[strange heath]

or does it get casted on the last one?

[spiral needle]

gotta use guidon on its own now cause it takes almost half a second for server to detect the haste

[hazy breach]

Its got nothing to do with the buff

The buff gets applied to you immediately

The reason you need to wait is because Deepening Shadows doesnt update instantly

[sweet moss]

i swaer my sec tech also sometimes doesnt give refund? is that just timing with premed

as its still worth

just deal with it

[half comet]

o i see and theres definietly no way to know once that gets updated

[hazy breach]

It takes upto 1s

[gilded thistle]

alright is this acceptable

[hazy breach]

Well youre using sectech with premed up

So that bug will apply

[sweet moss]

yeah

so the bug is just ignore

[spiral needle]

up to 1 second now, truly a cursed spec

[strange heath]

wdym by this?

so you cant macro it?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[sweet moss]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[signal heath]

who and where is a high key sub player that has vods etc!?

[spiral needle]

yea, new tech is guidon on its own, wait up to 1 second, and then you can sblades/dance/sec tech

[signal heath]

having a hard time finding some one to watch (rewatvch)

[strange heath]

i see, so i understand the faq but your opener would be guidon (wait 1s), then normal?

[spiral mountain]

vault has myth puzzle box and heroic guidon, currently sims REALLY like guidon but its so much easier to get in the next few weeks than a myth box

im strugglin

[sweet moss]

@hazy breach after you do this openener, you have a 3rd dance up after no?

and u just hold it?

[hazy breach]

Sectech wont be ready

So yes

[sweet moss]

oaky yeah

got it

ty

do u know roughly how much stronger this opener is to just sending dance off cd?

[strange heath]

are you just holding because if you send the third dance itll mess up your lineups for later dances?

[glass kelp]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[sweet moss]

@hazy breach when reaching 2nd shadow blades window, feels like im sat on 2 dance charges for a while is that intetinal for a bigger sd burst then

[hazy breach]

What

[sweet moss]

hahah

hard to word

mb

i carried on parsing

after using that openenr

and by the time blades was up again, i was sat on 2 stacks of dance for like 5s

lemme try again mby just fked something

[pure jay]

dumb question, what makes guidon so good? so far, feels like puzzlebox is better. Better in the longer fights/mythic bosses over heroic and other items?

[hazy breach]

More dance duration, more sectechs in blades

[gilded thistle]

the eternal guidon discussion

[pure jay]

so definitely a longer fight situation that it outscales other trinks

[hazy breach]

Not really

[pure jay]

so far in heroic chim/void it doesn't feel great

[sweet moss]

i been like 98 log all hc with having it macro in wrong and veteran

so think its fine

XD

[pure jay]

i guess not as noticable as puzzlebox

not sure then, maybe i just suck

[hazy breach]

Well puzzlebox is also every other cd set

[sweet moss]

harder to use

is all

[hazy breach]

Not every one

[pure jay]

how is it harder to use?

is it not just macro'd with sblades?

[sweet moss]

no

cant macro it in

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[potent heath]

Question, what are u feeling of playing a class with 3 SPEC DPS, but the best spect are mid (mid -) tier

(i'm tilt)

[glass kelp]

who said mid tier?

[potent heath]

the stats

[signal heath]

no one has any high key sub players who have VODs? =/

[potent heath]

and we getting dodge in M+ everytime

mid in raid, but ok, and dodge in M+ (we have potential but community)

[signal heath]

checked wox, he has none... and some others on raiderio. rogues are dead lol

[potent heath]

huge?

[glass kelp]

shins posted a couple i believe

[gilded thistle]

shindigg might have some vods, hes streamed some m+

[signal heath]

i remember back in the day rogue videos were poppin off on youtube. now no one plays it

[potent heath]

he have a team

in random team, he didnt find him

[signal heath]

shindigg, word ill check it

thanks

[shell vector]

Raid Bots isn't assuming that I'm in voidstorm for Crucible of Erratic Energies is it? Since all the protocols say "within voidstorm" or do I need to turn them all off for M+ simming?

[hazy breach]

Its active everywhere

The trinket always gets the extra benefits

[shell vector]

Oh so the upgrade nodes on the console are just wrong?

[hazy breach]

no

The upgrades on the console doesnt work. You wont get literally 40% crit

[sweet moss]

How long after Guidon do u have to wait for dance, if im manually input guidon can i pmuch send blades/dance macro after

[hazy breach]

But the trinket gets buffed

[sweet moss]

SS, Guidon, big macro fast? or do i literally wait 1s

cause surely not

[potent heath]

u need to wait

don't macro guidon

[shell vector]

Doesn't the sub faq channel say like .2 seconds?

[sweet moss]

can u read ma boy

[pure jay]

idk what im suppose to gleam from this regarding it's macro, im bad at connecting dots

[sweet moss]

that isnt macro

SS, Guidon, big macro

as in

[potent heath]

like that

[sweet moss]

manual shadow strik and trinket use

[potent heath]

yes u can

[sweet moss]

kk yeah thats what im doing

ty

[pure jay]

i can't read, why dont we macro it?

[potent heath]

i macro Blade/SD/SecTec personally on blade button

[fierce wigeon]

if you get 4set on your main, do the cata shards drop on alts?

[sweet moss]

yye same^

[sweet moss]

if u macro, the haste wont count towards ur dance time

[shell vector]

If you can't read that then gg ig

[pure jay]

I macro it with sblades, not dance

[potent heath]

No

[pure jay]

all the icons i guess i was looking for trinket icons

[shell vector]

...

[pure jay]

......

[near herald]

how long are the servers down?

[sweet moss]

XD

[potent heath]

...................

[sweet moss]

.

[short radish]

[sweet moss]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[sweet moss]

!premeditation

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[pure jay]

im trying to inbetween boss pulls, if the FAQ is tied to macro with sdance confused about sblades.

[pure jay]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bookio

[open vortex]

this deepening shadow bug v annoying

[sweet moss]

ye feels aids

[potent heath]

true

[pure jay]

that still seems fine to have it macro'd with sblades..?

[sweet moss]

O.o

well yeah

if ur manually p[resing

dance

after

then it would have been like 1 second

[pure jay]

yea

I have a sblades/trink macro

and sdance/sectech macro

[open vortex]

not even w/ trinket

[sweet moss]

okay

works then

[pure jay]

okay cool lmao

[sweet moss]

but ur losing 0.2% dps by not having big macro

🤓

[pure jay]

it still feels week but idk why

idk what you're referring to with big macro

im probably fucking up several things still

[sweet moss]

blades, dance, pot, tech

all in one

[near herald]

that works ye?

[pure jay]

only lost by 3k on vorasius at least compared to 10k on chim

[sweet moss]

lost ?

[near herald]

yes

[sweet moss]

wdym lost

[pure jay]

i lost vs our guilds other rogue

87k vs 84k

[sweet moss]

ahh

could easily be other things

anyway

[pure jay]

yea

[sweet moss]

u see

just dont use trink in same gcd and dance

guidon trink i mean

[near herald]

dont they say use trinket at 2. dance?

[sweet moss]

2.?

[near herald]

yea blades dance -> 2. dance with trinket

so u get tech in

[dusky yacht]

[crisp zephyr]

So are we suppose to use vanish during our sustained dps phase? So we can use shadow strike into two evisc.

[sweet moss]

my brain

[crisp fossil]

Is it for max with supercharger ? so dont waiting secret tech then ?

[sweet moss]

im confused now what u mean hah

[near herald]

this

[sweet moss]

yeah

what about it

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast plank]

guys what is the best opt. upgrade my dagger to 289 or craft a ring 285?

[oblique fable]

Sim

[crisp fossil]

dagger

[near herald]

doenst is say use it before 2. dance

[vast plank]

can you tell me why?

please

[sweet moss]

yyes

u use it before

so that dance gets the haste bonus from guidon

[crisp fossil]

cuz priority to up is weapon -> chest -> legs | opti Dps and stat

[near herald]

yea but ur makro uses it at your frist right?

[vast plank]

ok

[sweet moss]

no

[near herald]

how now xD

[sweet moss]

i dont use guidon in a macro

seperate button

[crisp fossil]

( at least u have guidon xD )

[sweet moss]

i have macro for Blades + potion + dance + ss

[near herald]

but on your pic it was at the start of the fight

[sweet moss]

veteran guidon.. 🙁

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1488705916235939950/image.png?ex=69cdc0ed&is=69cc6f6d&hm=b25e3f3d0a07cc6a4e10e1e5f88446be5dc20509983a717081375a6ae9b21ed5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[pure jay]

still just heroic but here's a bigger gap for whatever reason: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y9nrtvfAd362aGgX?fight=last&type=damage-done would need to look at my last week to see but swore we were closer

[sweet moss]

tf ur guild all 99s

100s

[sweet moss]

yeah tis before dance

[near herald]

clearly at your frist dance

[sweet moss]

??

yeah....

😄

[near herald]

they say use it at 2. right? xD

[sweet moss]

2.????

[strange heath]

So it's okay to macro guidon blades and pot together, you just pop dance and sec tec after the delay right?

[sweet moss]

yeah

cause haste doesnt effect blades or pot

[strange heath]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - During Shadow Blades, line up your second Shadow Dance with the last 8 seconds of Shadow Blades instead of using them back-to-back.
Why? - This allows you to fit another Secret Technique into Shadow Blades+Shadow Dance. It will not be supercharged but thats ok in this scenario.

[dusky yacht]

Where does it say use guidon on second dance?

[sweet moss]

^^^

[hazy breach]

It does not say that at all

[sweet moss]

guys making me geek out

XD

[hazy breach]

It does not mention the use of guidon at all

[near herald]

u dance 2 times in your blades

[dusky yacht]

Listen to what I said

[oblique fable]

Not second dance: 2.

[dusky yacht]

Where does it say

Use guidon on second dance

[sweet moss]

yes

[near herald]

am dumb

xDDD

[sweet moss]

u are

😄

[near herald]

thanks lord

its late

LOL

[sweet moss]

still confused what u even asking

hahah

[strange heath]

so after we use the second sectec in the opener, we just hold shadow dance until sectec comes back off cooldown right?

[sweet moss]

yep

[strange heath]

sick thanks robert

[sweet moss]

loool

np

im teaching this like i didnt learn it today aswell

👀

[untold basin]

I plan to only m+ on my rogue for now. My vault has a myth solarflare prism and hero puzzle box. Is solarflare worth getting and just trying to farm puzzle box in m+?

[near herald]

why cant i see trinket and dance?

[sweet moss]

go

timeline ->> casts

[near herald]

❤️

[sweet moss]

[dusky yacht]

Damn rob you're such a pro

[sweet moss]

🥵

still got new member role though

[pure jay]

im confused

[sweet moss]

🥲

[dusky yacht]

Instant promote to shadows tbh

[sweet moss]

fax

ign is now wow ign

all good

[pure jay]

im using trinket too fast?

[sweet moss]

no

the log u sent looks fine to me

of ur trink use

[dusky yacht]

https://giphy.com/gifs/theoffice-the-office-tv-manager-and-salesman-ghuvaCOI6GOoTX0RmH

I mean to me, a puzzle solver, yes you are using your trinket too fast why no cast time

[pure jay]

oh good, not sure what I did wrong in my play that had our other rogue do 10k more dps

except puzzlebox

[sweet moss]

check number of casts

[near herald]

how long do u think the servers are donw?

[sweet moss]

other gear

idk

[pure jay]

they're very similar cast counts

3 more coups 2 more ss

[dusky yacht]

I head it was 2 hours for NA

heard*

[sweet moss]

fallen king right?

[pure jay]

yea

[dusky yacht]

But EU is usually faster

[crisp fossil]

3 hours

[sweet moss]

u missed like one ss from late vanish ig

idk

[pure jay]

his sectech hit 4 more times for 13k more avg hit

[near herald]

when do u guys vanish?