subtlety

[dire flame]

Smh my head

[jagged hazel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3B1vQg3RjjRcqfwXtgZMi3 this is the one @quick marlin did for me on ST. helm seems to be the choice

[steel wyvern]

HOLY POG

HOLY

[oblique crag]

poggerino cappuccino

[jagged hazel]

didnt know dslice simmed weird. thought it was the correct way to sim for M+

[dire flame]

It is

[quick marlin]

probably is and it just makes versa be more useful than normal st scenario

[azure thicket]

ye im simming dslice with puzzle box/guidon and i suspect puzzle is gonna come out on top

but single target preferred guidon

[dire flame]

Like unless your doing 17s+ right now, I don't even see the point of simming dslice over st

[stuck arrow]

I mean it's just saying that you gain more on AoE with shoulders and you gain less on ST with helm.

Idk.

I think having more prio damage generally the play if they close - and going helm also sets you up better going forward.

[gilded thistle]

gotta stop gearing here i guess

[azure thicket]

good take

[dire flame]

It's such a minor difference

[azure thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-maiden-powerslave-cat-kitten-kitty-gif-7086232878793611802

[timber quiver]

Timewalking weekly cache? Thought was champion gear as per the quest text

[dire flame]

5 bosses is champ, clearing firelands is hero

[azure thicket]

like i get the guidon cook where you hold second dance but doing it on the dummy feels bad

[stuck vale]

Anyone else have the sim going to 20%+ haste? I'm at 22% and it doesnt seem to want any crit

[steel wyvern]

rag quest

u get hero piece for killing lastboss

[jagged hazel]

good to know ty. you guys are goated

[torn cedar]

just me or is aug actually not buffing subrogue? every time we have one in grp i do 20k less overall <.<

[wintry heart]

I grouped with an aug evoker and I was pumping

[wicked urchin]

this boss is gonna be fun for anyone attempting to pug

[fading saffron]

what is the haste breakpoint we aim for? i know its around like 700 for brain lag, but, what are we aiming for?

[wicked urchin]

around like 700

[fallow glade]

☝️

gamers with exactly 700

[azure thicket]

yeah if you sim dungeon slice the robot goes to some silly augh places

it was just telling me solarflare prism crucible was better in dslice

but this was correct 👍

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wWVN9SQQC3DYpefVSNLPN

[vale osprey]

It's 684, I asked earlier not sure if I got an answer. I think people say 700 because it's easy to remember

[fading saffron]

sick, thanks

[lilac stag]

684-700. The higher end allows for a bit more latency

and I’m pretty sure I answered it now for the second time

[fading saffron]

im at 643, so, i may swap around some enchants and see if i can clip into 700

[tribal vortex]

you are 643 just farm gear

nothing matters on this ilvl

[fading saffron]

[tribal vortex]

a lol

i thought ilvl

xd

yeah or drop it more and use haste pot

[cursive fulcrum]

can someone explain the use case for the combined sectech/dance macro like i'm 12? I've checked the guides, and I understand not wanting to enter dance during a gcd to optimize dance time, but dance is off the gcd anyway so if pressed during the gcd it just casts dance anyway. what does it actually solve?

[fading saffron]

im already cursed and dropped vessel for the world boss trink that rolled haste

[near herald]

i thought 18% Haste is enough ?? in total?

i am seen 20%

[fading saffron]

these are my values

[near herald]

so do i want 18 or 20 xD

[lilac stag]

It’s not a percent

[tribal vortex]

if you manually press sd and st you lose some mili secs cause you are human

[lilac stag]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.
The recommended ~700 haste gives you two additional globals in Shadow Dance and Guidon will grant one extra on top of that.

[west bluff]

GO SUB GO

[cursive fulcrum]

Yea, I guess that makes sense. I guess I was just thinking it would solve something it doesn't

Thanks

[vocal rock]

Is it dumb to craft mythic chest to convert it to tier? Then going to farm for hero head/gloves to convert that and get 4 piece (got mythic tier shoulders in vault)

[stuck arrow]

Exile named his rogue after slowest weapon in PoE. 😂

[hazy breach]

You cannot convert crafted items

[vocal rock]

woww lmaoo you just saved me from a big f up hahah

[tribal vortex]

but also if you could it is a double edged-sword to craft chest

cause 4 ilvl are some decents stats

[fading saffron]

what would 3rd craft be? i know wep/belt are the go to, but what are we cookin up? jewelery or off pieces?

[warm marlin]

i am a big enjoyer of crafted rings they make optimizing secondaries very easy

pants is a good option if you don't have anything good to dump myth crests into though

[fading saffron]

agreed - but im not sure if theres one that is better than the other

ie: neck or rings, even though i know we got a really nice mast neck this week for the PvP quest

[tribal vortex]

you can sim , it depends on your gear too

[strange chasm]

@lucid jackal last boss has ads

its over for rogue

[lucid jackal]

w.e bro

10% to shadow

antoehr 8% to devourer

who give a fuck

[gilded garden]

why dont u get famed slayer as a pug T_T

[stuck arrow]

-15% to sub. RIP 😭

[strange chasm]

its pretty insane how out of touch

there is not a single PURE st fight

its all aoe or cleave

[vocal rock]

Droptomizer tells me to craft crit/haste legs - but I'm already at 18% haste, shouldn't I be going for crit/mastery at this point?

[lucid jackal]

Good thing they made hunter both overtuned, and also required on every Multi target encounter now

[atomic steeple]

https://imgur.com/drOmm7f

I just take ring here right?

[lucid jackal]

Tanner did you know that MM hunter gains more than double damage on 2 targets

+1 target = more than 2x damage

Whaaaaat

[vale osprey]

Sorry yeh I didn't mean to insinuate it wasn't answered, I asked earlier and then got a work call

[strange chasm]

but dw they removed evis from nimble because that wouldve been OP

[vale osprey]

But that's good to know, ig it brings it from 0.4s latency to 0.5ish

[lucid jackal]

and caustic

and blade flurry is now 30%

[tidal python]

I'd genuinely sacrifice the whole deathstalker hero tree to get old nimble back

[jovial ginkgo]

sim youself yea but idk if i should snag bis cloak or the dagger even tho we kill vorasius

[warm marlin]

prob reclear vore man and if he doesnt drop dagger take it from vault

[vocal rock]

Oh lol I was running my droptomizer sim for crit/haste items only - why can’t I droptomizer for all possibilities

[warm marlin]

the prism also isn't bad as a passive option if you don't have gaze or plume or something

[void ocean]

!up

lol

[tulip light]

yes

[strange chasm]

but dw they are playing a rogue rn

on heroic 30 man...

[lilac stag]

dw exile is the secret weapon

[stuck arrow]

Midnight falls has memory game in it. They can't not take Exile.

Rogue stonks going up?

[tulip light]

am i tripping or is exile not doing apex min max?

[vale osprey]

It's time for Ben_ to return

[quick marlin]

he was when i was watching

[stuck arrow]

I wanna see alkhaizer raid. 😂

[vale osprey]

Need to go back to like woltk for that

[stuck arrow]

I feel like he'd crash out after like 10th pull.

[west bluff]

would've been interesting if hero or myth

simming almost the same as 263 plume

[supple barn]

I got mythic heart of wind in vault, its over a 700dps increase but drops me to 667 haste.. only other option really is taking hero shoulders and cata to upgrade from champion tier.

[stuck arrow]

I mean makes sense. It's likely way way more stats on average.

How it compare to a similar level gaze?

And what dungeon it drop in, lol.

[supple barn]

FlayR i need youre all knowing advice

D:

[west bluff]

idk, but i got from firelands timewalking

too bad it wasn't in the cache which is hero track, ragnaros dropped it

[stuck arrow]

I don't know shit. 👀

But shoot.

[supple barn]

mythic trinket and go under haste cap or upgrade champ tier shoulders to hero tier

trinket sim over +700 lol

[summer lynx]

!macros

[stuck arrow]

I think mythic trinket the way to go.

You can get hero shoulders in a bunch of places. Myth trinket can only get from raid or vault.

Also gives you a sink for mythic crests that feels good.

And going from 667 haste to 700 not bad. Just grab haste gems.

[cosmic prairie]

i think its a waste

hero tier shoulders can last many weeks whereas heart even on myth is surely getting replaced by hero box/gaze/guidon

[zealous lotus]

not too bad from vault

[cyan saddle]

any point at all in going over 19% haste?

[stuck arrow]

I mean you're not going to replace heart with guidon / box, it's a passive trink.

Gaze maybe. But that's a rough trinket to get. It's BiS for literally everyone.

Meanwhile hero shoulders you can just run like 4-5 M+ in a leather stack.

Trinkets hard to get. Shoulders? Meh.

[shrewd lantern]

would a hero gaze even outpace myth heart

a whole tier behind is uhh

lol

[wintry heart]

I’ve looted so many champ track trinkets that I am scared for the next two years of this expansion where I don’t get any

[stuck arrow]

It's close. They within like 0.2% per blood mallet.

[shrewd lantern]

i got that funny delve trinket

[tribal vortex]

just run a sim with other trinkets on HC and this on mythic

and check difference

[shrewd lantern]

that sims low rn since it would give haste

[stuck arrow]

Yeah, idk. I've gone entire raid tiers without getting trinkets.

[tawdry agate]

i got the chimerus trinket from the 5 delves quest XD

[wintry heart]

One of the seasons in DF I didn’t see a weapon in the vault the entire time lol

Weird how luck goes

[cosmic prairie]

wait i forgot to do my 5 delves quest 😭

[shrewd lantern]

only normal though

[wintry heart]

It was giving loot from the un released raid too

[shrewd lantern]

only good normal item is probs

[cosmic prairie]

damn

[shrewd lantern]

the alleria neck

[wintry heart]

Normal mode raid trinkets shit on hero track m+ trinkets

[supple barn]

I PROLLY GO TRINKY

[spiral steeple]

2 weeks of no tier in the vault

Gonna kms

[shrewd lantern]

crucible better

than both

[wintry heart]

Crucible is not better than plume lol

[supple barn]

he right getting gear from m+ pretty easy and i have cata charges arleady

already

5 charges*

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure. is

at only champ

shit has like 80% uptime

on 162 crit

[wintry heart]

In the sims I ran it wasn’t better

[cosmic prairie]

oh ya i mean if ur not behind on tier its a free trinket

[shrewd lantern]

maybe not on aoe

[cosmic prairie]

i guess im biased cause i have gaze but am behind on tier

[winged anvil]

If you have Guidon you would use it just before hitting Shadow Blades / Shadow Dance, right?

[shrewd lantern]

watching people pull mythic gaze from vault

is the spongebob meme

[spiral steeple]

!macro

!m

Wtf is the command

?macro

[shrewd lantern]

I got 5 cata charges fron keys last wwek

lol

[brazen meadow]

Plural

[shrewd lantern]

didnt get matrix from firelands quest unlucky

[spiral steeple]

!macros

[crystal bone]

hmmmm

[shrewd lantern]

probably pants

idk stats on those though

[crystal bone]

mastery/vers

its either cata boots, or cata shoulders i think

[jaunty heath]

yaay i killed dwagons

[elfin pendant]

anyone else having trouble getting invited to 10+ and higher keys?

io is 2600 and ilvl is 267

[vale osprey]

Nah but I'm 2700, 270, depends what keys you're trying to get in. If people know you're going for an item they're wanting they won't inv e.g rings from Xenas, etc

[gilded ferry]

veiltouched simming more than first dance for me in DS

[vale osprey]

Don't we run...both of those in the m+ build?

[gilded ferry]

i guess i was using a wrong talent for m+

[oblique crag]

How do you guys track The First Dance in M+? It's not in Blizzard's CD/Aura manager and I don't think TMW can track it, right?

[gilded ferry]

i had finality on

[fringe lava]

what’s our best few m+ trinkets atm?

[stuck arrow]

I think tfd kinda troll depending on your tank. Hard to get 6s reset sometimes.

[keen dome]

Shout at the tank

"SLOW DOWN"

[stuck arrow]

If you have a tank that loves you that run with, tfd is great. If not and you pugging - I kinda think finality better.

[hazy breach]

Puzzlebox/guidon + gaze/plume

[stuck arrow]

And even then - as key level goes up - tfd loses value. Need to have tfd proc every two minutes iirc.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean in tww tfd’s competing talent was

old weaponmaster

so it was more lack of better options

[radiant swift]

is plume and skyrech trinket doing the same or am i trippin

[stuck arrow]

Tfd mathematically good. I just think it's practically kinda bad. And like finality is just good all the time.

[shrewd lantern]

i could have sworn the swap this season was

tfd and veiltouched

[radiant swift]

oh

[shrewd lantern]

The drum trinket is likely good in keys

mastery proc with 25-30% uptime

just gl getting it

since one chance per week

[stuck arrow]

Veil touched vs finality pretty close depending on mastery / ilvl.

Fuu's profile runs finality over veil.

[shrewd lantern]

@hazy breach matrix chance this week

[charred rock]

chat if i dont have 4pc yet I should def take the shoulders right?

[shrewd lantern]

though idr icd

[stuck arrow]

Veil also giga better before 2 set.

[shrewd lantern]

cant relate i’ve had 4p since last reset

[stuck arrow]

I mean do you have it from catalysts? You should have 3.

[fleet acorn]

Do you Even play the Game ? Delve highest ilvl?

[charred rock]

im a solo player i dont have the charges from pvp or M+

[charred rock]

I mean i clearly play the game, just not to the extent you do

[shrewd lantern]

you can get both playing solo

[stuck arrow]

As of right now, prior to opening vault, I've got 0pc. 😐

I think I'll likely have after vault or LFR this week though. Gonna anti up some gold, lol.

[shrewd lantern]

i got somehow almost the worst items from raid vault

boots from aver

and chim belt

[wintry heart]

How though

I’m the causal of casuals and I have 2 set

(Genuine question no troll)

[stuck arrow]

Bad luck goes brrrrrrr and holding cata's to secure 4pc.

[shrewd lantern]

i had 1pc from raid and pulled 2nd in vault

then sent double cata

sucks i had to pass speed alnseer

womp womp

[stuck arrow]

I could have gotten a piece last week, but I took Guidon. Figure tier is inevitable but guidon be hard to get.

But maybe that was wrong call. Lol we see I guess.

[shrewd lantern]

isnt the only other spec that wants it is dk

[stuck arrow]

It's competitive with basically every spec, not BiS tho.

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah dk is the only other spec i saw that hard wants it

[stuck arrow]

It's like puzzle vs guidon for us, but guidon loses instead of wins.

[shrewd lantern]

casters have that dragon eye trinket

only good item i got from keys was a helm with a socket

[stuck arrow]

Hunters don't though. DKs. Monk. Havoc.

Idk. Maybe was troll we see. As long as we get a tier set today we sitting pretty. 😂

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think we have a havoc

both are playing devourer

[timber quiver]

Fam, seeing some sources saying the singularity renown trinket working with the zone buffs in keys and raid is intended, and it sima high for me. Any knowledge on that one? Tyty

[cunning goblet]

shall i press coup de grace in aoe ?

[hazy breach]

Yes it works in instances

And yes its intended

[timber quiver]

Tks

[lilac stag]

not too bad after sending heroic crests and crafting a ring

[shrewd lantern]

ring craft?

damn

mt ring lost on sim to champ xenas set

[lilac stag]

i just go with what's going to work and give me some flexability this week and next. anything after that i'll worry about later

easy enough to recraft if needed

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah just seems crafting with gilded is not great this tier

unless you get zero drops

[lilac stag]

it's fine

[hushed roost]

ive done like 15 nexus

looking for light

[lilac stag]

it let me take a mythic tier piece

was 200 dps less than the m+ ring

[tiny sable]

Up pls 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i had myth tier

gloves but ehh gain is a gain

[lilac stag]

between everything up 10k dps from last week

we take that

[shrewd lantern]

I think im still at a peas like 89k

maybe raid drops something this week

[fluid lintel]

Without a myth vault I'd go shoulders

[charred rock]

ye I already went shoulders and cata'd my chest. 4pc aquired

[shrewd lantern]

is a bit weird how freelo you can send cata this tier

due to farming them

[lilac stag]

it's amazing

i had no reservation sending 2 heroic pieces that were champ pieces

[shrewd lantern]

i got 5 cata charges farmed after

so was nice

[hushed roost]

idk what to even craft

[shrewd lantern]

Wait for raid angle

[hushed roost]

real

[shrewd lantern]

its just not great to send gilded crafts this season outside your embellishes

maybe if you’re super down bad on a slot

[hushed roost]

yeah makes sense

[shrewd lantern]

If you’re stuck with a champ piece it might still be credt effective

[lilac stag]

the ring craft was a bigger uppy than sending my embelished waist lol

[shrewd lantern]

max mt ring lost on sim to champ xenas set for me

so i took gloves were bigger uppy

[lilac stag]

i wanted gloves since we have 12 leather wearers

helps the raid more

i need a heroic glove to drop to save some crests

[shrewd lantern]

i was in champ glove purgatory

so it was massive jump

[lilac stag]

same

[shrewd lantern]

they werent even max champ

thats how bad my glove luck was

[hushed roost]

yeah its kinda meh because my boots have tertiary

[quick sable]

Heroic Gaze or mythic tierpiece?

[hushed roost]

which piece

[quick sable]

shoulder

[fleet acorn]

The highest Investment u can do early is 100% crafted haste mastery neck

After Double embelishment

[shrewd lantern]

Nah just get alleria neck

clearly

[hushed roost]

yeah man

[fleet acorn]

Mythic? Haha

[hushed roost]

ALLERIA NECK

theyll give me that !

[lilac stag]

nope

just get the heroic quest neck

[hushed roost]

meanwhile my p9ov

[shrewd lantern]

would 9 neck ilvl outpace the proc

[lilac stag]

it's all mastery

[mystic juniper]

Hey all quick question, like a lot of people I got my 4 piece today. I am struggling with getting my 2nd SecTec in my SB window. It’s coming down to frame perfect alignment. My haste is at 19%, any tips?

[shrewd lantern]

on the neck

[lilac stag]

and costs nothing

[hushed roost]

https://tenor.com/view/bench-bench-boost-fpl-fantasy-premier-league-premier-league-gif-13213275529547627175

my pov on myth alleria

[dark wagon]

How do we track first dance talent?

[lilac stag]

look at the upper right corner of your screen

[fleet acorn]

Do you dance insta or wait for sectech cd ? Yes knew it u Dance insta

[dark wagon]

Great!

Best way to track something

[quick sable]

do we drop first dance on 4 piece?

[shrewd lantern]

i thought you cant fit the second st in sb without guidon

[stuck arrow]

Yeah need guidon

[shrewd lantern]

Yep

im still sending b2b like a pleb

due to pb jail

[fleet acorn]

Ok that maybe true yea then craft Boots - or get luck Week 2 and loot mythic+ bis boots

[shrewd lantern]

puzzlebox feels great for pad though

honestly the tier boots arent bad either

heavy mastery

[lilac stag]

just get any boots and cata them

[shrewd lantern]

I think they’re mast>crit

[lilac stag]

they are

[fleet acorn]

Arent they other way ?

[shrewd lantern]

the fact sending cata on a non tier slot so early

new change is nice

[stuck arrow]

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=250008/balancing-boots-of-the-grim-jest
oh nvm they crit heavy

[stuck arrow]

Meanwhile I'll be begging people in LFR for a tier token. 😂

[fleet acorn]

Yea so craft boots

Not catalyst

[lean sigil]

how much dps is lost if i dont do this: As Trickster: With Midnight Season 1 4 piece + Light Company Guidon you ideally want your second :ShadowDance: during :ShadowBlades: to be supercharging :SecretTechnique:. So cast the second :ShadowDance: right when :SecretTechnique: has 2 seconds left of its cooldown and have it be the second finisher.

feels bad to play like that

[fleet acorn]

No

[lilac stag]

crit is still vgood for us

[fleet acorn]

It’s only 1 global

[shrewd lantern]

are there haste mast boots anywhere

[fleet acorn]

If I do it Right

[lean sigil]

how is it 1 global?

[fleet acorn]

I only have 1 global

Extended guidon dance

With Lust

Between the Dance I only do 1 backstab

[shrewd lantern]

Just enjoy backstab soup during sb

[lean sigil]

i have 6 seconds of no blades

after first dance drops

untill sec is up

[fleet acorn]

Do you use guidon alone ?

[lean sigil]

of blades*

[shrewd lantern]

you dont really play tfd in raid

[fleet acorn]

Or u got macro shid ?

[lean sigil]

guidon with shadowblades

then dance sec macro

after

[fleet acorn]

Y me Not

[shrewd lantern]

thats not recommended

[fleet acorn]

Its Bad

[shrewd lantern]

since guidon has a delay

[fleet acorn]

I use guidon with Strike

[lean sigil]

so guidon, blades then dance sec tech?

[stuck arrow]

I mean you have backstab soup in blades if you don't do that too, you're just rearranging which part of blades the soup is in - the middle or the end.

[shrewd lantern]

you need to wait a second

[fleet acorn]

Then blades dance sectech and rest ( i use That After Lust Pop)

[shrewd lantern]

true and real

[fleet acorn]

So I have 8sec dance

[shrewd lantern]

it feels awkward as shi

[fleet acorn]

Then I can backstab into dance evic Strike sectech

[stuck arrow]

Honestly the 4pc + Guidon thing is pretty close to what you just do normally without blades.

[shrewd lantern]

i got a macro that hits sb dance and st together though

and a reg dance st macro

[fleet acorn]

Yea but u don’t play it like that as the Guide says

2nd finisher

[stuck arrow]

You just got the blades dance ST macro 2s early, and since blades and ST on CD it just uses dance.

[fleet acorn]

Not on 1st

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you need seperate dance bind

for that

[stuck arrow]

Then you hit it again for ST.

[fleet acorn]

No

U can use same

[stuck arrow]

Yeah

[fleet acorn]

Just press for Dance

And then for sectech

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah true i just have both for the sake of it

[lean sigil]

ok so on dummy i get it to 3 sec of backstab in blades

[stuck arrow]

It'll use all the off gcd abilities, or try. As long as it's before the gcd ability

[lean sigil]

am i on the right track?

[fleet acorn]

It’s on cd on ur press at that time

[stuck arrow]

Don't need multiple.

[shrewd lantern]

i needed something to fill

my empty sod bind

xd

[stuck arrow]

😂

Throw a storm dance one in there in case you ever need to pay DS.

[shrewd lantern]

it was funny losing sod, rupture, flag, and bs in dance binds

all in one patch

[stuck arrow]

If you ever pvp is not terrible to have a CS/dance macro too, TBH.

[shrewd lantern]

pvp is the reason i have kidney bind

in stealth

[hard trellis]

whats going on with my 1min30 trniket

why is it not syncing up with my blades anymore

[stuck arrow]

You have em macro'd? 😂

[hard trellis]

ofc

not

[novel oxide]

the affix

[stuck arrow]

You switch your trinket slots? You running 2 active trinkets?

[shrewd lantern]

imagine if we had no spaghetti code on guidon

how nice it would be

[hard trellis]

is that the problem

guidon is fkedor whjat

[stuck arrow]

I kinda like the guidon spaghetti. Gives me something to do between alternating 2 and 4.

[shrewd lantern]

strike is 1

[stuck arrow]

But guidon works fine, not why.

[eager patrol]

stupid question cause I dont think it works if I remember correctly

but can I craft 2 farstriders mercy 1 with embellishment 1 without n wear them at same time?

[shrewd lantern]

idk why my st is 4

[stuck arrow]

Strike is 4. Evis is 2. Move with ESDF. Easiest to reach keys are the most pressed ones.

[hard trellis]

something sus going on

[stuck arrow]

1 is gross, don't press that shit.

[shrewd lantern]

1 is my spam key

on most classes

[eager patrol]

cause I think u cant wear same dagger twice unless I remember incorrectly

[shrewd lantern]

or 2

crafting 2 daggers is bad

weakest slot

[hazy breach]

Affix gives cooldown reduction on spells

But not items

[eager patrol]

not like im gonna get a myth dagger

unless m+ vfault slot gives one

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt change the fact

[eager patrol]

besides that id craft ring I guess cause ive been giga unlucky

[shrewd lantern]

offhand sucks

[hard trellis]

o cringe

that makes sense

thx

[stuck arrow]

But maybe stronger embellishment? We check? Dagger is best second craft for OL.

[shrewd lantern]

oh we were talking keys

[shrewd lantern]

i think hunt is best embellish?

so maybe if you’re down bad months in

and dont have myth mh

[stuck arrow]

Maybe that would have been play last week instead of belt. Hmm.

Ah well.

[eager patrol]

think I just craft ring

but idk ive done like 22 +10s and im wearing 2 hero items

[stuck arrow]

Ouch.

[eager patrol]

also still 1/4 tier 😂

[stuck arrow]

Jeez I thought I had bad luck.

Atleast I get M+ loot.

[eager patrol]

nah I rolled 1 digit number like

on 9 tier drops or sum

and im not getting any tierslot hero drops to atleast catalyst

[stuck arrow]

I lost a heroic Gaze with a 98. 😂

[eager patrol]

ye always someoen rolling insane when entire raid rolls on it

[spiral steeple]

Somebody want to explain why swapping my trinket slots increases my DPS by 800?

That doesn't make any fucking sense

[wintry heart]

What are the trinkets big dawg

[spiral steeple]

Puzzle box and emberwing feather

[hazy breach]

Because it will use them in a different order

But also those are almost surely not the best two options you have

Get the void renown trinket, the crucible

[pseudo raptor]

Larias told me that the neck is not that good. Thoughts fellow rogues? Heroic neck or mythic ring/boots? I’m so confused

[spiral steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sJaQJYgMA62jMZ5MhE2C6H

This is what it says

[shrewd lantern]

The neck isnt bad

haste mast is decent

[spiral steeple]

Maybe I'm a dumbass but this seems pretty straightforward to me

[pseudo raptor]

Only issue is it’s heroic

[spiral steeple]

2 on use trinkets is kinda shit

but wcyd

[shrewd lantern]

get the renown trinket

[spiral steeple]

from which one?

[shrewd lantern]

voidstorm

[spiral steeple]

can you link it?

[shrewd lantern]

its on so many logs

[vale vault]

guys do we have a atrophic poison spreadsheet for raid? like for which mechanics it works?

[stoic flower]

Trying to cap out my myth crests before raid. Do you guys know how much each +10/11/12 give? I saw a method.gg say +16 for +10 but it only gave me 12 crests

[spiral steeple]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=264507/crucible-of-erratic-energies
This one?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[shrewd lantern]

did you time

[spiral steeple]

it's ilvl 197

[shrewd lantern]

not in game

[spiral steeple]

what is it in game? Because I'm using 263/272

[shrewd lantern]

263

[spiral steeple]

damn ok

well hopfully I didn't just waste my vault on this mythic feather trinket

[shrewd lantern]

depends what your other choices were

double on use is bad

[spiral steeple]

my other choices were also bad

a hero track set of gloves when I have hero tier, hero cloak when I have the same thing already, and champion otherwise

[hazy breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e9933ncWwojAabD9EYTFbB

[pseudo raptor]

Any other Chad opinions here. Bis heroic neck or mythic ring/boots

[hazy breach]

Can just use the crucible ye

[pseudo raptor]

Just conflicting advice from everyone

[spiral steeple]

ok but looks like it's a sidegrade to my current setup

by 1 dps

wish I would have known

[hazy breach]

Ye since you had a mythic feather

[spiral steeple]

I have feather macro'd to dance

[lilac stag]

Sim it but you’re not getting that neck any other way than vault if your LC knows what they’re doing

[spiral steeple]

and I open with box

[shrewd lantern]

thats bad

[spiral steeple]

why

[shrewd lantern]

you need to use haste trinkets before dance

[spiral steeple]

wouldn't I want to use the box before dance + blades?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

Top question

Yes youd box before blades

[lilac stag]

[spiral steeple]

son of a bitch

[pseudo raptor]

I only pug anyways

[lilac stag]

Neck then. You can craft a ring / boots

[pseudo raptor]

Let me sim it but larias was saying the neck procs were only .1% dps

[shrewd lantern]

its still a 0 cost proc

[hazy breach]

Its like 0.5% or so on ST

But yeah across a key it would probably be more like 0.1%

[spiral steeple]

I hate the vault so much

[shrewd lantern]

even if it was less it’d still come at no extra cost

[spiral steeple]

No tier for 2 weeks and then my best drop is a redundant trinket

[pseudo raptor]

Well the cost right now is not getting a mythic ring or boots

[cosmic prairie]

https://i.imgur.com/rqLwAF7.png

[plush roost]

Our ret pal has a socket in his week 2 vault XD

[shrewd lantern]

are rings even that good this ssn

[plush roost]

2 mythic raid boxes and 3 m+ voxes

[shrewd lantern]

xenas ring set sims higher for me

[plush roost]

Sub just kinda eh on secondsries

Rings are turbo for devour

[shrewd lantern]

I got some of the worst items in my raid vault

aver boots

chim belt

[plush roost]

Gg

[shrewd lantern]

assa

[plush roost]

Speed gamer

[shrewd lantern]

[hollow spear]

!bugs

[plush roost]

I hadnt put it on my sub set yet hehe

[shrewd lantern]

charrend caved to the panda

[plush roost]

Ye probably staying panda unless dwarf ends up mandatory m+

Also panda is sick

[shrewd lantern]

you cant stoneform some shit in aa

[plush roost]

Im actually a 360 spinner

[hollow spear]

Quick question: is it a known bug that your deepening shadows just don't work after logging in?

[plush roost]

Yeah theres a ton of "phyiscal damage dots" #NOTABLEED

[shrewd lantern]

[spiral steeple]

Ok so if I macro both trinkets to the same bind, will it use the first (if not on CD) otherwise use the 2nd?

Say /use feather, /use box

[shrewd lantern]

use a seperate bind

and dont play them together

[spiral steeple]

Gross

Well I can't play them together because of the 30s cd for on use trinkets

But I already have a separate bind for box

[shrewd lantern]

not sure where people get the idea using 2 on use is good

[cosmic prairie]

some drip while others drown

[spiral steeple]

I ran the sims and it said it was better

[shrewd lantern]

get crucible

[spiral steeple]

I would not have assumed 2 on use was good, but I trusted the sim

I'm not sure why I would get crucible if it's identical DPS to my current loadout unless the goal is to not have 2 trinket binds

Which is fair

[wintry heart]

I would take the neck big dawg

[odd sandal]

Which boots are we crafting, not the ones with the proc correct?

[wintry heart]

Two on use trinkets is absolutely awful lol

I’d take a dps loss to not have to deal with it

[sly shore]

!fuu

[spiral steeple]

Just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something

If it's for usability I totally get it

[shrewd lantern]

unless you dont have the console upgrades

then crucible might be a bit weaker

[uncut scarab]

!aa

[spiral steeple]

I don't think I have any console upgrades. I'm not sure what you mean by that

[shrewd lantern]

voidstorm world content

[spiral steeple]

I've been doing the weekly campaign quest that takes like 6 weeks or whatever if that's the one?

[shrewd lantern]

it makes the trinket procs better

[spiral steeple]

The purple warband quest or whatever?

[shrewd lantern]

forget whats the name

its from the stomarion assault stuff preseason

[frosty bramble]

Its a weekly in voidstorm - but its just east of the portal

[shrewd lantern]

is there even a hero enchanted crest campaign quest this season

i could have sworn we had the kill cosmos quest on heroic week

[north garnet]

Anyone pushing keys? would you use puzzle box over either of these?

[spiral steeple]

So it's one console upgrade per week? I've done 3 of the tower defense events so I should be able to fully upgrade

[north garnet]

i feel like puzzle throws me of

[keen dome]

We did and it gave a cloak

[shrewd lantern]

ah the champ one right

[keen dome]

Yep

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i dont think we got a free heroic craft

this season from those

[keen dome]

I don't see how it could work

Because heroic/myth crafts are the raw crests now

[shrewd lantern]

they axed enchanted crests

now yeah

[keen dome]

So they'd have to give us 80 free heeoirc crests

which, I mean. Do it.

[shrewd lantern]

just interesting they chose that this time around

[bleak night]

you get a hearthstone now

which is better

tbh

[shrewd lantern]

but they also gave us 50 free gilded this season

[bleak night]

[flint parrot]

!guidon

[shrewd lantern]

i dont recall getting that

maybe i should check....

i never read the quests

[keen dome]

I'm scared of how hard heroic is looking

Its going to be miserable to pug

[shrewd lantern]

theres no luura guides right

belaron on hc mostly seems like

[keen dome]

Not that I've seen. I have my incredibly badly written "MAYBE???" one

[shrewd lantern]

"dont touch wrong color"

[keen dome]

Yeah

Mechanically Balo is very simple

[shrewd lantern]

i mean its a blizz classic

two colors

[keen dome]

it's identical to normal but it has 1 new mechanic, the quills

[shrewd lantern]

dont cross them

likely instant kill on mythic

i imagine

well maybe

[keen dome]

Midnight falls journal is a confusing mess and I think I understand the core flow of the fight but lmao

[shrewd lantern]

even mythic chim's touching other realm isnt instant death

but it trucks

[keen dome]

I gotta pug lead it tomorrow morning

[shrewd lantern]

i have not checked mqd loot at all

[muted mica]

hi guys, sorry for the long message but i've tried many things :D i've started rogue this xpac cause guild needed it. we are 1/6M at the moment and i'm 267 ilvl. i feel like there are things that i do wrong. on pull if we wipe fast ish i will parse 90+ on ilvl. but if we kill a boss my ilvl parse is always gray. do you guys know things of the top of your head i might be doing wrong during long bossfights?

[keen dome]

plumes are nice. Chime has.. a ring?

[shrewd lantern]

chim?

hes in rift

[keen dome]

Chime

[vale pine]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[keen dome]

L'ura

[shrewd lantern]

you probably dont want that over the xenas ring

but its not terrible

[keen dome]

Yeah probably

It also has two gem sockets

[shrewd lantern]

also if you have that+cosmos neck

likely have to limit haste elsewhere

[keen dome]

Not sure if that's a display bug though

[shrewd lantern]

on gear

[keen dome]

because so does the random neck

[shrewd lantern]

thats intentional iirc

[wintry heart]

The renown quartermaster gives quests

[real belfry]

Is it worth it to craft core pieces like Chest if you've already got 4-set?

Feels a bit strange to replace a Hero belt when i'm still rocking a champ chest.

With the mythic crafts

[shrewd lantern]

I mean ideally you want to send gilded on non crafteds

considering its 60 to send one to 285 if you committed the full hero upgrade path

compared to 80 for crafted

[spiral steeple]

Yeah but let's say I've already done the weekly defense quest a few times and I have the currency. Can I just bust out all 3 upgrades right away?

[wintry heart]

If you have the required currency yes

[spiral steeple]

Hell yeah ok

I'll do that tonight, ty

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal shrimply what is that trinket

[alpine wraith]

dog trinket

[plush roost]

Hey at least rings/boots/dagger are good.

Or crest save XD

[alpine wraith]

ring seems good

unless you dont have dagger

[warm marlin]

its almost certainly cata boots angle

[plush roost]

Yerrr

Speed gaze for me

[warm marlin]

guy stole my luck this tier

[alpine wraith]

winners win

[warm marlin]

i want it back

[plush roost]

🚤

[warm marlin]

i do not

it may be dagger

[stoic flower]

yeah. turns out +10's are 12 crests, +12 is 16 crests, so i'm guessing +11 is 14 crests

so the method.gg site is wrong

[plush roost]

Reclear then take angle

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[plush roost]

Voracious save us

[warm marlin]

ye but i dont want to spend the myth crest on it

surely i get vora dagger

[regal glacier]

Hey I have a question, should I get an ilvl 263 Kroluks warbanner trinket, or go with the 259 ilvl Solarflare Prism?

kroluks gives 93 agility, solar flare gives 89

[warm marlin]

boots are also so bad because I already have 276 from alleria

gg

[alpine wraith]

get socket the crucible trink is better than both of those

unless you dont have anything better

at least you can craft belt or wrist tomorrow or today in NA and use socket there

[regal glacier]

So go with thalassian tokens? im currently using 250 gaze and 250 glorious crusader trinket

[alpine wraith]

depends do you have 4 set

is there any tier in vault

[regal glacier]

no tier in vault sadge

[obtuse cosmos]

Hey Subbros, does shroud increase the whole group's movement speed or is there a talent for that?

[alpine wraith]

you need to pick a talent for that

[lean rover]

Should I always aim to keep my haste breakpoint while upgrading gear? This would mean passing on mythic helm that shows decent dps increase, my only other option would be omission of light ring

[stuck arrow]

Can you play with your enchants / gems?

Alternatively - if you brick it just grab a haste flask till you fix it.

[lean rover]

I cannot I would loose 80 haste on current helm

hard to make that up

hmmm not terrible idea with flask

[stuck arrow]

Yeah. Good to have a few different types of pieces - and then if top gear spits out a 550 haste set - just use haste flask and your golden.

[left ledge]

can this trinket leave me alone

[vale pine]

i mean

its bis if you pick up all orbs

[left ledge]

[stuck arrow]

Rough vault. 🙁 sorry man.

[chrome palm]

sim likes myth dagger over tier slots even after crafting one, crazy

[left ledge]

it wasnt rough at all

[stuck arrow]

What % upgrade it spitting out at you?

Presumably the DPS covers the embellishment, and then you basically just get free stats/embellishment on offhand. Kinda makes sense.

[left ledge]

but thanks

i took the boots and catalyst them

turn into crit mastery

and then on the dh (second pic) i took the myth wep

[stuck arrow]

Yeah but like. Out of all the slots boots probably one of the worst.

[fleet acorn]

Should have crafted with speak and took the free gem

[left ledge]

not for me man

[stuck arrow]

Definitely an upgrade, just.

[left ledge]

my boots were champ

i could not loot boots or rings to save my life

[wintry heart]

I have adventurer pants and necklace still so I understand

[stuck arrow]

Even still. Boots like half the stats of chest head leg.

[left ledge]

eh i guess so

will be plenty of those from tier

right

couldve been a trinket too

i get what you mean though from that pov

[hollow spear]

Asked earlier, just after the pull. But the log confirmed what it felt like. My Deepening Shadows just didn't work 😄

[hazy breach]

Some other people have mentioned it, swapping specs fixed it

[hollow spear]

Swapping zones also worked

Omega tilter though

[sullen hare]

Lol WHAT

[hollow spear]

Giga guidon value

[sullen hare]

Huge lust value

[hollow spear]

Pressing the button just didn't do anything

[bleak night]

what the helly

[north garnet]

Hey NA

any luck in Valuts? O. O

[hollow spear]

That's his spot on the bench

[wicked urchin]

do we want to precast AC as maghar too?

[lyric bough]

Got a puzzle box, I hated the idea of using it, but now I have too.

What's the sequence for using it correctly?

[floral inlet]

myth helm, better than nothing 🤷‍♂️

[golden thunder]

!raid

[random comet]

Big luck, hero track tier piece in vault for second week, 4set gaming without having stepped foot into raid or m+. Typical alt behaviour tbh

[keen dome]

that's a hedge

[woven ruin]

hedge knight 😄

iykyk

[wicked urchin]

egg

[sick sand]

Can someone look at my mythic vorasius kill real quick pls?

[chrome palm]

Sir this is my shrubbery

[lean sigil]

whats the trick to logg on vaelgor? i avg 95+ on all bosses and best is 61 on those dragons....

[vale pine]

pad on orbs

[lean sigil]

so hold dance and sec for orbs?

but my boss damage log on that crap is green

[void ocean]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/vaelgor-&-ezzorak

[lean sigil]

no idea why i suck so hard on that sucker

[coral bear]

What is worth to craft this week? if I have dagger/belt

!craft

!crafts

[vale pine]

whatever sims best

there is no !crafts command

[shrewd lantern]

crafting is optional

past the first 2

[vale pine]

^

you want 2 embellishments

[manic salmon]

if u want my honest opinion

[vale pine]

everything after is just to get short term benefits

[manic salmon]

logs this raid are completely irrelevant

all the best parses are doing irrelevant damage

[shrewd lantern]

you can say that about every raid

[manic salmon]

not really

[shrewd lantern]

padding is always a thing

[lilac stag]

thanks for sharing your opinion.

[manic salmon]

moreso this raid than other raids

[lilac stag]

[manic salmon]

np :3

[hazy lichen]

tier helm from vault bruhhh

[shrewd lantern]

it existed in tww too

the more your raid let you bonk adds

[void ocean]

just remember how to top dps on Soulbinder last season u had to do one less burst window 😄

[hazy lichen]

i love vers!

[shrewd lantern]

the better your parse

[manic salmon]

it did but not to this extent

[lilac stag]

Every raid has parse cheese

you just don’t know it at the time

[manic salmon]

every bossfight aside from paladins is parse cheesing

[lilac stag]

gg

[shrewd lantern]

i literally got pinks on araz during prog/early farm

[hazy lichen]

on mythic?

[manic salmon]

ye

[shrewd lantern]

to blues

clearly just played worse

[manic salmon]

and holy moly

does it feel bad

[manic salmon]

playing paladins as rogue

[keen dome]

[manic salmon]

260 ilvl hunter is doing so much more damage

😭

[tepid trellis]

feels fine to play it

the numbers just dont match

[shrewd lantern]

the fight feels fine

[manic salmon]

ye u live everything

[shrewd lantern]

just disable details

:)))

[manic salmon]

i actually rly like the fight

[manic salmon]

hard agree

[keen dome]

Enable more details windows but put them on interesting metrics. Become an excel manager for the fight.

[oak sorrel]

im parsing purple and i appreciate that sub is 2 buttons

melee is aids i dont want to have to think

[void nebula]

Have you tried ret?

[lilac stag]

Shoulda played UH instead of rogue.

[shrewd lantern]

"guess the fight"

[oak sorrel]

ret is pink sub

[lilac stag]

like we were telling people in beta

[tepid trellis]

what if i complain about it

[manic salmon]

unholy is a fake spec this patch

play devourer or aug

[jade oasis]

🥹

[lilac stag]

pseudo range

[void ocean]

Vanguard

[lilac stag]

I’ll still love you

[oak sorrel]

the lightforged funny guys

[jade oasis]

does he know

[cosmic prairie]

once i get 4set do the tokens drop for my alts too

[manic salmon]

nop

[cosmic prairie]

RAHHHHHHHHHHH

[manic salmon]

i got 8/8 catalysts but my alts are starrrrving

[shrewd lantern]

they did for rwf

then fun detected

[manic salmon]

they did for 1 day

[void ocean]

i mean tokens wont drop for ur main either

unless lucky

catalyst charges on the other hand

[oak sorrel]

making altcraft fun and then taking it away for the most dogshit rwf in history

[lilac stag]

Your alts are at 3 charges this week.

[oak sorrel]

pretty cool stuff bliz

[tepid trellis]

done 50+ dungeons + raid splits since 4 set

got 3 catalyst charges

10/10 experience

[manic salmon]

rly

[shrewd lantern]

i got 5

[manic salmon]

only 3?

i got like 10+

[void ocean]

u guys need to touch some grass

[lilac stag]

delves dropping them like candy. Best content.

[oak sorrel]

can i touch ur grass

[tepid trellis]

it was datamined to be something like a 5% drop chance

or 10%

[foggy estuary]

Can confirm. Farming npx and its around those numbers

[odd jacinth]

bountiful or just t11

[shrewd lantern]

i mean since tww alt tier isnt too hard to get

[manic salmon]

im about to run back the rng

[lilac stag]

Bountiful 11

[shrewd lantern]

due to delves

[void ocean]

bruh my grass is like a Mississippi cornfields on a downpour

[shrewd lantern]

i literally had full heroic tier

on alts i had 0 clue how to play

[tepid trellis]

allergic so no thanks

[manic salmon]

love that

[oak sorrel]

mine is like osama's beard

[lilac stag]

So half the people in here

[wintry heart]

I thought it was much more common than this

[manic salmon]

my grass is cut down to earth

[shrewd lantern]

thats generous

[void ocean]

only mud and vegetation

[shrewd lantern]

bless up though i got the DK undermine set that way

[lilac stag]

I’m trying to be nice today

[shrewd lantern]

doing 0 raid content on that class

or keys

[keen dome]

It's a great way to collect transmog

[shrewd lantern]

real

i never got the offpiece dk legs

off mugzee on lfr

or normal though...

[void ocean]

dk doesnt need legs

[tepid trellis]

think my rogue is gonna be 276 after splits satuday

[shrewd lantern]

its the plate mog that looks like a skeleton skirt

[tepid trellis]

got infinite crests to send

[keen dome]

Damn, huge iLevel

[void ocean]

we had our limbs removed

[manic salmon]

did u send hc crests

stealthi

[tepid trellis]

have not

[manic salmon]

Why not

[tepid trellis]

wasent in

so had no reason to

[manic salmon]

oh

unlucky

[winged anvil]

So am I supposed to get two ST's in Shadow Blade with 4pc?

[shrewd lantern]

with guidon

[tepid trellis]

gonna be in this week tho

[manic salmon]

oh right

funny thing

[void ocean]

with proper guidon'

[manic salmon]

i saw averzian be killed 7 times at this point on my rogue

i never saw the trink

[winged anvil]

I have heroic guidon and my stuff ran out right as ST came off CD

[manic salmon]

but on my split alts they always dropped

[sweet moss]

Anyone mind having a look at my parse on heroic cosmos see if there is anything im missing to get a higher parse? - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WBXkMz7LmCDTYwpq?fight=22&type=casts&source=170

[shrewd lantern]

I will say

watching guilds that are like 2/9

[manic salmon]

whore in p1

[shrewd lantern]

doing normal splits

[manic salmon]

thats ur log

[sweet moss]

XD

[shrewd lantern]

is some unhinged behavior

[manic salmon]

im not joking

[sweet moss]

fair

couldnt rly with guild

[shrewd lantern]

rank 1 had 0 bp casts

last i checked

[manic salmon]

u dont need bp casts

[shrewd lantern]

also preferably dont get the arrow

[manic salmon]

just a lot of stacks on the 3rd guy

[shrewd lantern]

fucks with your downtime

[sweet moss]

i got like

once

[oak sorrel]

factchecking rq

rogue is awful at crown right

[sweet moss]

wrong

XD

its mid

[shrewd lantern]

im mildly dog with the arrow

[winged anvil]

Should I be delaying my second SD in the opener then? guess I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong to not be getting that second ST/SD combo

[shrewd lantern]

how do you not be a terrorist with it sometimes

🤔

[manic salmon]

just aim it

like when you piss

you dont wanna miss

apply that logic with the arrow

ez

[lilac stag]

I may get to play in mythic. I had agility trials all last week and still managed to out geared 2/3 of our roster.

[shrewd lantern]

my favorite is ranged who dont get on the voids

with little adds

[manic salmon]

if its any consolation for u guys im in on paladins prog

[shrewd lantern]

just standing there

[lilac stag]

paladins looks fun

[manic salmon]

it was

i kinda want them to revert the nerf

low key

feels like playing touhou with shields and hammers at one point

[shrewd lantern]

all they need to do is revert nimble to tww

and sub is fine imo

[manic salmon]

i was also by far the person that takes least damage

cuz you immune the most cancer sets

and feint for everything

[manic salmon]

sub is really fine its just that we lost our niche

[sweet moss]

ah yeah

i top dmg to alleria

tf

[winged shore]

just got this from timewalking cache, assuming the proc rate is terrible b/c that's a lot of haste

[sweet moss]

fuckin padding guild

ong

[manic salmon]

we have decent damage but i like to call it default damage

nothing amazing

[shrewd lantern]

since its a cata trinket

it probably has piss uptime

[manic salmon]

if u rly wanna test it

go hit target dummy for 15-20 mins

and log it

[shrewd lantern]

i think matrix you could make a case for since

it has a pretty set icd

[manic salmon]

check uptime

[shrewd lantern]

on when it procs

[sweet moss]

i just wanna check opener is right https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WBXkMz7LmCDTYwpq?fight=last&type=casts&source=170&view=timeline

like

i think it is

[winged shore]

wowhead says proc chance 10% with 1.25m cd

[mental ledge]

Hmmm myth boots to catalyst or myth emberwing. :/ kind of a meh vault this week. Thought emberwing was going to sim higher than it does tbh despite the 2 min cd.

[manic salmon]

double on use hoggers

[shrewd lantern]

emberwing is like a temu guidon

at best

[manic salmon]

IMO

[mental ledge]

For real though.

[manic salmon]

if you REALLY wanna whore. wait 2-3 seconds

cuz the guy is gonna have 2-3 stacks of the debuff

[shrewd lantern]

nah its just smart use of cds