subtlety

[celest spruce]

I use frags ui, so the combo points turn blue. but still, kinda hard to see in the mess of it all

[hazy breach]

(which you should be doing to begin with)

[celest spruce]

wdym for a bit?

[vale pine]

any change to deathstalkers mark is good i guess

[celest spruce]

Should I always just get to 6-7 cps and pool energy? Would that proc it?

[north schooner]

sure, between the two that's better. best is to communicate it to blizzard and then to not use it. Unless they asked blizzard and were given the ok to use it. Then it's blizzard's fault

[gentle sonnet]

so for trickster you want to get to 6-7 CP before hitting Dance, DS you want to go from zero, it's some wierd nuiance between the two hero talents that requires that

[north schooner]

(It's blizzards fault anyway for the changes tbh)

[carmine portal]

Yes but there's no guarantee that someone else doesn't use it and thus get ahead of you. They don't get banned for these things so why wouldn't they?

[gentle sonnet]

tbh i can't even use the IPMythic timer addon anymore cause it keeps throwing bug errors at me since it's pulls from a "secret value"

[celest spruce]

And is this min max only during BL. Or always during dance? Me using 2 generators in a row to proc ancient arts i mean

[vale pine]

the problem in the entier addon spaces is

[hollow spear]

I am using m+ as a guidon timing training ground

[vale pine]

if addons become too unstable

we might see a situation like in final fantasy online

where 3rd party overlays become the standard

[warm marlin]

i did get a lot better at the snapshot

its so scuffed with the 1s delay though

hopefully fix at some point

[gentle sonnet]

i do it every dance, it doesn't have to be within the BL window

[hollow spear]

The amount of double strikes or storms I've had to send is ungodly

[celest spruce]

and do you know how much more % dps this is in general?

[warm marlin]

the amount of energy you get in dance now is just funny

[hollow spear]

Only beaten by the famous triple strike

[warm marlin]

striking twice in a row in tww was sometimes impossible with energy constraints

[gentle sonnet]

that's a @vale pine question, i only know from being told or cobbling information together

[hollow spear]

Helps casting feint

[warm marlin]

sometimes i dont want to spend my coup at the end of a dance at the end of the pack and im just spamming 4-5 strikes in a row

its insane

[wintry heart]

#subtlety-faq says it’s like 1%

[fiery fog]

for every supercharged finisher

[hollow spear]

My coup holding has reached new heights

I'm not even sure if that's close to optimal

[vale pine]

the ancient art optimizations are between 0.5 and 1 % dps gain

[gentle sonnet]

in M+ you should be sending whatever DPS you can do unless you're close to pack dying and boss is coming up, then you would hold your CDs for that

[vale pine]

last time i checked

[warm marlin]

idk feelcraft gaming is fun

[fiery fog]

always send and send hard

[gentle sonnet]

i'm always hard

what

[fiery fog]

[hollow spear]

The worst part is when you're still in dance, get coup and there's three shitter mobs still standing

[gentle sonnet]

who said that?

must've been the wind

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/windpress-wind-that-was-not-the-wind-alr-bro-that-was-not-the-wind-wind-meme-gif-14328278848625693843

[hollow spear]

I refuse to send coup then

[gentle sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-7403118861599528686

[fiery fog]

holding coup is propaganda

[hollow spear]

Nah

[gentle sonnet]

sub being good like it was back in the day is propaganda

[hollow spear]

Coup holders unite!

[fiery fog]

holding coup is like edging

you know something big is coming but you wont let it

[gentle sonnet]

edgers unite

[fiery fog]

you are denying your weapon its purpose

[warm marlin]

holding coup lets me send it fatty with apex and supercharger on the next pack while all the little slop adds are still alive and well

[fiery fog]

btw why did we lose flag and not goremaw

genuine question

[gentle sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[hazy breach]

I mean flag was kinda pointless, they can just bake that into blades

But yes goremaw is also pointless in its current state

[gentle sonnet]

they could've baked goremaw into flag or both in to blades

[fiery fog]

at least flag did something useful

goremaw just does nothing

[gentle sonnet]

in before blizzard buffs gore and it becomes our best ST CD

[vale pine]

they could also bake blades into dance ^^

blades is not that usefull too

[warm marlin]

yeah they could make it 35s hasted so that it completely desyncs from everything else too

[fiery fog]

i really liked blades when it just made you get to full cp with everything

gave the spec some kind of consistency

[loud wharf]

tbf 3rd party overlays were already the standard. Blizz is trying to kill that.

[strange chasm]

Might aswell at this point tbh.

[gentle sonnet]

we should do what the rets do and go on strike

[fiery fog]

bake everything into dance!
dust
flag
blades
sectec
dark brew
shroud
rotten
windfury totem
chicken nuggets

[coarse raven]

hi, what poison do we coat on ou dague in m+ ? instant and numbing ?

[loud wharf]

.> Hold on now.

You had me at chicken nuggets

[vale pine]

, no dino nuggies

[gentle sonnet]

instant and one that reduces damage

[loud wharf]

Instant and Atrophic

[hazy breach]

Nah use numbing in keys

[fiery fog]

numbing is giga in keys

[vale pine]

not rly, 3rd party overlays are not that common

[hazy breach]

Unless youre doing levels where you need -dmg to not get literally oneshot

[fiery fog]

atriphic is only needed when you can survive some unavoidable cast with it

[loud wharf]

You're meaning a full overlay, not just something like WAs and all the other addons for UI?

[fiery fog]

once it kills you through atrophic its useless again

[bleak night]

thats not what an overlay is

[loud wharf]

I am dumb so

Also completely unfamiliar with FF

[vale pine]

neither, you don't rly use overlays

weakauras and addons solve everything people needed

[harsh gale]

is there a big dps difference if we just craft a ring at myth level compared to the BIS list?

[bleak night]

also tbf though overlays arent the standard in ffxiv either

normally people caught using them are not treated well by the community

[vale pine]

damage meters are 3rd party overlays

and extremely common

[bleak night]

not particularly common compared to wow

[fiery fog]

depends on if you can actually get your hands on bis myth rings

[bleak night]

obviously pre it literally being an in game thing

[fiery fog]

gl getting it from endboss mythic when everyone wants it

[vale pine]

oh, did final fantasy add a damage meter ingame now?

[bleak night]

no i meant the wow one

[fiery fog]

man final fantasy has such a cool world but the gameplay was way too slow for me ngl

[harsh gale]

list is showing two rings for dungeons but im just thinking what are the odds i get that from vault anytime soon as id be chosing armor pieces at myth level

[bleak night]

i cant say something isnt common compared to wow if that something is base game in wow

bc thats not exactly a fair comparison

[fiery fog]

oh thought the endboss ring was in there
i guess getting both rings from m+ vault (or forced bonus rolls) should be somewhat achievable

[vale pine]

i don't know

i think its fair to say that most players installed a damage meter

in wow

[fiery fog]

details is integrated in wow

[vale pine]

and the equivalent for final fantasy online is an external tool

so

[warm marlin]

ninja burst window was great

very sub coded

[vale pine]

is the argument that nobody uses that in ffo?

i am not following

[spare crypt]

its very relevant if you dont have the time to farm the correct stat rings from m+, and a crafted ring is a super easy stat fix

[bleak night]

no, the argument is just its nowhere near as commonly used as in wow

[vale pine]

i knew a few people who play, and they use it

[bleak night]

it is used of course

[vale pine]

i don't know one person who uses a 3rd party overlay for wow

[bleak night]

and due to their addon restrictions it is an overlay

[hollow spear]

Dance should also stun all mobs around you for 5 seconds on activation

[brazen steppe]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[bleak night]

but i would not argue overlays are the standard in ffxiv due to that

[vale pine]

how many compeittive players play without damage meter in ffo?

[bleak night]

although tbf when you said overlay i immediately though more about the ones that solve mechanics for you

not damage meters

[harsh gale]

do we get to craft a 3rd item this week as well?

[bleak night]

how many competitive players are there in ffxiv

even raiding there is a very different scene to wow

you have a large amount of the population that opt into doing raiding with 0 outside information

compared to wow where everyone watches 30 videos before entering raid

[dire flame]

Quite a few, addons are super shunned in the community

[vale pine]

0 outside information, also means no damage meter?

[bleak night]

often yeah

or if you use them you dont talk about it to the party

[vale pine]

i mean they can't talk about them

because of eula

which is an entirely diffrent discussion

[dire flame]

If you go look at wf clears most of them don't have a damage meter on them

[small vortex]

you can hide that stuff too cause its not in game

[dire flame]

I know some people that use an external one like wcl, and then some poeple that use the overlay in game, but most don't use either

[small vortex]

its a separate thing from the game

[vale pine]

think they would get banned if they showed

unless i missremember

so yes

valid point

[small vortex]

ye you would

[vale pine]

but i don't think that is a good way to argue

[small vortex]

i mean outside of ultimates their raids are designed to be cleared week 1 in bad gear

so it makes sense a decent portion dont use dmg meters

[dire flame]

The only time theres really a strict damage check/enrage is usually week 1

[small vortex]

and thats usually only for 4th boss maybe 3rd

[dire flame]

After that just being able to breathe lets you clear the content if you do the rest of the mechanics right

[bleak night]

breathing do be hard

[small vortex]

i mean ive seen people struggle with in and out style mechanics

so ye

breathing do be hard

[dire flame]

Unless its changed atleast, I havent done anything since like savage eden

[vale pine]

lol

[bleak night]

the focus is still basically entirely on doing the dance correctly yes

not so much on any damage checks

[lilac stag]

@vale pine why didn’t you add our estimated class tuning to the wowhead post?

[vale pine]

you talk about wow or ffo

[dire flame]

Sometimes both

[vale pine]

what?

🤣

[lilac stag]

it landed. Took a second, like our trinket

[vale pine]

see, i would be in the camp

"cba, i use the next best trinket"

but

the next best is puzzle box

[lilac stag]

keep going.

[vale pine]

so "vom regen in die traufe"

[dire flame]

I need to look at my vault server when

[slim gale]

Smoothbrain here. Is it normal to have situations mid fight where your Shadowblades comes up, you get your two dances out during the buff and then you're waiting with Sec Tec available for the next recharge of dance to come up?

[wintry heart]

I cannot stand puzzle box for reasons I can’t explain

[vale pine]

^ is a german idiom which means to get from one bad into the other

[dire flame]

Are you bad at puzzles?

[wintry heart]

No, I’m autistic

[vale pine]

i love trinkets wich channels

[lilac stag]

das it nich zer gut

[vale pine]

rly excited to use a trinket and then wait 2 secs for something to happen

[bleak night]

[vale pine]

tho it can be worse

[wintry heart]

I liked beacon to the beyond because it showed a big number on my screen

[vale pine]

idk how many remember

[finite hedge]

I liked grief torch, but that was about it

[vale pine]

but we had a trinket

which had a cast time and followed up witha channel

peak wow design

[lilac stag]

Like a spec with no cleave in an all cleave raid worse?

[wintry heart]

I liked when my teammates would die and I got more casts

[finite hedge]

Hell yeah big value

[bleak night]

grieftorch was a channel so i hated it

no exceptions

even for big damage

[lilac stag]

Moving grieftorch was bae

[small vortex]

i love logging off and playing minecraft

[lilac stag]

And now we have haste

Even better

[vale pine]

its unforch

[fiery fog]

grieftorch my beloved

[vale pine]

that both of our liked trinkets are annoying to use

[warm marlin]

you could also move while using torch

[golden totem]

Grieftorch boon peak trinkets

[vale pine]

not initially

[mighty citrus]

Jump 3 times

[vale pine]

they changed that

[mighty citrus]

Dont forget my boy

[wintry heart]

I never got boon

I tried for like 8 weeks

[vale pine]

simon says

[bleak night]

boon was ok on rogue

[golden totem]

S1 df sub was so ez to play in dungeons I'm glad boon existed to make it spicy

[wintry heart]

I even offered gold

[bleak night]

it was not fun on warrior

[vale pine]

also very good

i also loved to collect orbs during encounters

[golden totem]

Yeah, that was a rogue trinket for sure

[vale pine]

we had so many well thought out trinkets

over the years

[mighty citrus]

Especially on sprocket

Early progress

[vale pine]

what could go wrong

right

[small vortex]

thank god i played boomy that tier!

[wintry heart]

I killed myself in DOS key with that one trinket that “pounced” on an enemy

Can’t remember what it was called

[vale pine]

lol

the one from sludgefist

[finite hedge]

From castle nathria?

[vale pine]

ye

[finite hedge]

Wasn't that first boss

[small vortex]

oh from first boss

not sludge

[vale pine]

oh, i might missremember

[golden totem]

Same room

[small vortex]

had a wing icon

[north garnet]

skulkers wing!

[mighty citrus]

It was from the bat

[north garnet]

i remember 1shoting people with that in season 1 with pvp macros haha

[swift tinsel]

ye sludgefist had hateful chain or whatever it was called

[finite hedge]

Skulkers+echoing reprimand one shot people in pvp. Pretty funny

[golden totem]

I member too

[swift tinsel]

Nathria had some fun trinkets

[limpid sage]

Skulkers also let casters cast from stealth I remember

[swift tinsel]

wing, chain, dreadfire vessel

the dance one

hehe

[north garnet]

shadowlands as a whole had really fun trinkets

the fkin weapon box

oh my god

that was so good with sub in m+

[wintry heart]

I yearn for weapons box

[limpid sage]

Absolutely disgusting trinket xd

[north garnet]

get that axe

BRRRR

[swift tinsel]

loved this one

[limpid sage]

Dealt like 40% of your dmg when you got the bleed one on a big pull

[swift tinsel]

even the earthquake one was kinda fun

fuck IQD tho

and farming plaguefall for the vial

[bleak night]

IQD was such a troll trinket

[swift tinsel]

like 50 times

[bleak night]

i hate when they try to be cute like that

just tell me what my trinket does brother

[swift tinsel]

right

and you try and game it for big dam and get mana

[limpid sage]

I wish they had IQD instead of Puzzle Box

[swift tinsel]

just wait

its coming this xpac

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

the shitty stars are aligning for DoS return

[bleak night]

troll .1 patch

dos season

ono

[swift tinsel]

it makes the most sense which I hate lol

if any were to return

[north garnet]

dos is returning?

O. O

[swift tinsel]

outside of ZA

cata ZA

[limpid sage]

Why does DOS make sense?

[swift tinsel]

Troll/Loa dungeon

troll patch

[north garnet]

ooooh

OOOOOH

[limpid sage]

Oh true

[north garnet]

they need to do it

[swift tinsel]

but I could also see a ZA/ZG mega dungeon

[swift tinsel]

no they dont lol

maybe if they took out Manastorms wing

[limpid sage]

I hope amani troll becomes an allied race with a sick racial and same model as zandalari

[swift tinsel]

and just had night fae/hakkar

another mechagon clone wing would be way too much

[quick marlin]

why do i randomly sim 2k less than yesterday

[swift tinsel]

after having it come back again and again and again and again

[quick marlin]

[north garnet]

DoS was my favorite dungeon

[swift tinsel]

it was SO long

[north garnet]

with Theatar of pain

[swift tinsel]

and 1/3 of the total dungeon time was spent just running

[limpid sage]

Theater of Pain is such a snoozer imo

[quick marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mx41neahj2exea17E2PZ67 yday

[north garnet]

it was like a 45 minutes dungeon haha

[limpid sage]

Low target count pulls

No dopamine

[quick marlin]

????

[swift tinsel]

maybe link the actual sim from today so people can see the difference

[limpid sage]

Rekt

[warm marlin]

gaze keeps getting changed on the backend

[warm marlin]

your old sim was probably with sicko mode gaze

[quick marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vWNtncC9KkLhyNBudNMBso

[swift tinsel]

rip

[quick marlin]

fair

[limpid sage]

Do you happen to know what they changed about it?

[warm marlin]

erm other than the icd thing from before no idea

i think it got changed like 3 times

[fleet hearth]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[exotic steeple]

guys did u see incoming rogue buffs

[vale bramble]

Never

[exotic steeple]

looks a bit fake tbh i dont know

[fresh canyon]

Seems legit

[glad bough]

im looking at the top rogue on raider io and it doesnt seem like they have any haste on their gear. shoouldi be prioritizing crit mastery way more than haste? im at 17% currently roughly translated to like 600ish maybe a bit less

[vale pine]

fixed wowhead for you

[brisk onyx]

finally!

we are so back!

[exotic steeple]

amazing

[west arch]

!fu

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert anchor]

Even with this, rogue is still not played

[grave mango]

Servers up bois

[cosmic prairie]

for the record the difference in gear between u and them is likely significantly greater in the ilvl department along with mdi level teammates that far outweighs the difference in minor stat prio

[covert anchor]

Real?

[vale pine]

i mean a 4% buff

won't fix cleave

[dusky yacht]

God this was so satisfying to look at

Are you a class dev yet

[vale pine]

haha

[exotic steeple]

max not live yet

they go dark?

[lilac stag]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ).
same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ).
Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥).
M+ instant decline. (招待拒否).
I stand in city like NPC.

[vale pine]

don't know

we could depat if rogue is a worse ret paladin

this tier

[lilac stag]

Just wait for 3x deathmark assa execute on final boss

[dusky yacht]

But I gotta say, I switched from assas to sub this weekend and got everything sorted and read your guides and everything, I'm doing like at least 20k more dps overall and I'm chilling, with assas I was sweating the whole dungeon and getting heart palpitations lmao

[swift tinsel]

woo heroic guidon in vault

[dusky yacht]

W

[swift tinsel]

free me from double passive prison

[exotic steeple]

congratz

[sick arrow]

guess im locked to this

[dire flame]

Vaults up?

[dusky yacht]

Omg imagine, if I got mythic puzzle I would self destruct

[exotic steeple]

w box

[cosmic prairie]

you have to start sandbagging now and saying sub sucks so we get buffs welcome to da club

[dusky yacht]

Sorry sorry

Yeah guys sub sucks wtf

I stand in city like npc

Bring shame to guild

[swift tinsel]

kind of a huge vault this week

hero guidon, 3x myth tier slots

[pure jay]

what do y'all think?

[pure jay]

similar boat

[wintry heart]

This is what I get for not doing all my tens

[warm marlin]

if anyone was curious btw, vaelgor's is not a good trinket for sub

[dusky yacht]

Chest and guidon look W to me

[exotic steeple]

is it worth picking hero guidon if you already have champ guidon over a mythic tier set piece?

[spare crypt]

ring is bigly

[pure jay]

I was tempted for the ring since m+

[pure jay]

right

[dusky yacht]

Oh I'm prolly biased

My chest is still champ

[spare crypt]

if u got a hero guidon

[dusky yacht]

No luck with m+

[pure jay]

dude, same

[spare crypt]

no point in myth guidon

[pure jay]

no guidon at all yet

30-40 dungs said get fk'd

[dusky yacht]

Goddamn

[cosmic prairie]

i rolled a 2 on guidon last night 🥰

[dusky yacht]

But yeah same basically

I got 266 atm

[pure jay]

yea, it's dumb af, I've gotten 3-4 pair of gloves, other dupes

[grand cloak]

Question, can you craft 2 daggers and if you can, is that a bad idea ?

[cosmic prairie]

u can

[warm marlin]

yes, generally yes

[dusky yacht]

I had 8 trinkets in a row from delves including a hero one and none of them were any good for me

[exotic steeple]

im crafting a ring this week

[grand cloak]

so just have one and the off hand the best you can get from the world ?

[pure jay]

jesus

[warm marlin]

ye offhand slot sucks

its similar to bracers in dps per ilvl

[pure jay]

that happened to me with the prey stuff, I literally got 7/8 weapons

[grand cloak]

ok ty

[dusky yacht]

I kinda wish they wouldn't make everything so rng but I guess it's just the game

[dire flame]

Heroic gaze or mythic helm realistically

[pure jay]

The ring sims really badly, is plat star band good for us or wowhead outdated?

[wintry heart]

Well can’t be too mad I got a myth track helm I’ll catalyze after I get a charge to drop

[west bluff]

ehhh....

[cosmic prairie]

u can also craft a oh dagger for 0 sparks if u want u also dont have to embellish it

[warm marlin]

you need haste to support it

[hazy breach]

Haste breakpoints

[dusky yacht]

Goddamn I would get that chest so fast

[cosmic prairie]

so one real dagger one fake but at least not world trash

[pure jay]

do you know how to force the sim to give us 700 haste? it also puts me around 550

[spare crypt]

u need the bigly haste neck

[west bluff]

i was looking for a better upgrade, but that I can accept

which raid boss drops the chest?

[spare crypt]

chimaerus

[dusky yacht]

Isn't it chi

yeah

[cosmic prairie]

unlucky

[dusky yacht]

Damn that's sadge, I got that ring but I wanna replace it for a mastery one asap

(hero tho)

[lilac stag]

gloves replace champ, so not terrible

[west bluff]

not a bad ring tho

[dusky yacht]

Yeah true but I'm lacking mastery

[pure jay]

according to bloodmallet guidon still only good for rogues, and then DK's lol

[lilac stag]

speed gloves, avoidance ring lol

[swift tinsel]

sim is saying myth tier hands over hc guidon, unexpected

[dusky yacht]

interesting

[sweet oracle]

Hero trinkets, or myth chest to upgrade to tier?

[lilac stag]

do you have champ or lfr trinket?

[vale pine]

our dk's rolled bis on it

is it good for feral too?

[swift tinsel]

I'm rocking champ rep trinket and champ solarflare prism

[pure jay]

not according to bloodmallet, it's DK's 3rd

[swift tinsel]

and champ tier gloves

[cosmic prairie]

how much gold do u have

[pure jay]

it changed a bit recently tmk

[vale pine]

[west bluff]

i mean depends on your current trinkets and if you raid mythic IMO

[true coral]

Hi, is guidon inconsistent? Each time I use it, I try to let at least 1-2 seconds before shadow dance, and every other time it doesn't add the bonus time

[golden totem]

Isn't feral a 2min spec

[west bluff]

if your guild is struglling with dps checks the trinket would be better at this moment

[cosmic prairie]

u can buy gaze off someone in ur weekly hc for like 200k

[golden totem]

I'm pretty sure it's only a dk/rogue bis trinket

[quick marlin]

[vale pine]

i honestly don't know

[warm marlin]

a full 1s will always be consistent

[swift tinsel]

turns out I'm just dumb and didn't realize it was a dslice sim

[warm marlin]

can use a custom timer bar using spellcast events to make sure you get the bonus time every time

[true coral]

Oh, okay, didn't know that, thank you!

[swift tinsel]

well now I hope guidon drops in raid and I win it so I can nab a champ->myth tier gloves upgrade

[warm marlin]

if you're using arcui it's not too bad to set up, not sure about other cdm addons

[true coral]

I have cooldown manager centered, I'll try

Thank you!

[pure jay]

long term investment says to take ring

[uncut juniper]

this vault is so ass

[pure jay]

because what are the odds I see m+ ring again lolol

[pure jay]

mythic puzzle box would've been sick

[random pecan]

Hey all, maybe a weird question.
How important is the 18% haste? cause i have gear to get to 18% however when i sim it tells me to take other options which drops my haste down to 15%. (its for raiding)

[uncut juniper]

I was 1 more +10 away to get that slot

[solemn isle]

hero track gaze or myth contract/neck, tough choice this week

[broken jackal]

Is it just me that feels mid gear we do nothing at all

[west bluff]

dude you were so close to mythic puzzlebox

damn

[stuck arrow]

I mean part of that is you not doing the content.

But that puzzle box isn't terrible. Too bad heroic. Still good.

[pure jay]

I wish I had easier choices in these earlier weeks

[west bluff]

isnt contract like turbo garbage

[cobalt patrol]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

ye, not that great

[west bluff]

hero track trinkets are better afaik

[lilac stag]

well, ring is 2k uppy. gloves are 700 lol

[vale pine]

but gaze is quite gooood

[sharp peak]

fucking god dammit

[vale pine]

neck, you want the shadow damage one

[west bluff]

do you know how trustable bloodmallet sims are @vale pine ? I mean it seems like it's all pre-generated sims right?

[sharp peak]

stupid ass vessel

[vale pine]

the problem with trinket sims on bloodmallet is the methology

[warm marlin]

cata boots are crit mast btw

not bad

[lilac stag]

neck you get high mastery heroic as a reward from week 4 pvp

[vale pine]

every trinket is simmed in isolation

while you want to sim pairs ideally

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp peak]

ohhh not bad

[warm marlin]

sorry

haste crit

[vale pine]

you can open the trinket sims on the sheet to see combinations

however

[warm marlin]

but still gets rid of the vers

[vale pine]

i would suggest simming on raidbots for best results

more tailored to your gear

[west bluff]

meaning puzzlebox/guidon wont be considered altogether with gaze/plume for example?

[flat tulip]

gaze or one of the myth tracks?

[vale pine]

it means

[solemn isle]

if I am never raiding mythic, is hero track gaze going to be better than any passive myth m+ trinket that I eventually get?

[vale pine]

bloodmallet just puts a static stat stick in the 2nd gear slot

and sims each trinket with that setup (trinket + stat stick)

[hazy breach]

Either gaze or plume from beloren

[west bluff]

Oh i see, would be better if they showed you the performances considering a specific first trinket

[hazy breach]

But yeah m+ trinkets are kinda ass

[wintry heart]

I still have adventurer pants. Since I’ll have 4 set in the other tier slots is it super troll to craft there this week or nah

[west bluff]

really easier and better to sim then

[real belfry]

So how good is Light Company Guidon? I have the heroic option or I could replace my H tier with M tier.

I PuG a lot so the chances of me winning are prob low. But I also have Heroic Puzzlebox and Heroic Ranger Captain Insig

[vale pine]

it misses details for double on use entirely, its not bad, just flawed

[atomic steeple]

What’s the priority on alleria neck like vs champ to myth tier or puzzle trink or hero gaze or hero guidon but myth dagger takes full priority right?

[vale pine]

guidon is bis more or less

tho a mythic one is not too hard to get

because its first boss

soo

your choice

[pastel geyser]

how bad is this team . i have 0 tier pieces right now, do i take hero tier. i have champ guideon

[west bluff]

i thought puzzlebox was close to bis? i would be so wet if i'd gotten a mythic track puzzlebox

[real belfry]

And I do have Myth kills on him already. Just didnt get trink

[vale pine]

F

[wicked urchin]

no complaints

[hazy breach]

Well yeah but the context was passive ones

[weak vector]

Hmm no guidon RIP. I'm waiting on the sim queue but I should obviously take the Platinum Star Band right?

[winged vale]

my #1 and #2 biggest upgrades in the same vault in trinket and chest

[stuck arrow]

I'd be tempted for the mythic legs, personally.

[vale pine]

the eye trinket

is sooo bad

XD

[weak vector]

Yeah lol ):

I'll prob do the ring, but its gonna tank my haste

[flat tulip]

Thanks for the input!

[west bluff]

damn that guidon is hot

[bright oxide]

is there a difference on which hand is each weapon enchant?

[small vortex]

is this ring 2 set good or bait af

[weak vector]

its good, but not something i'd go crazy over

[lilac stag]

its free dmg

[stuck arrow]

It's a bit awkward because tier legs not on our BiS set just based on stat allocation, but like... Idk probably huge huge upgrade getting that to 289 right away.

Sim it.

[winged vale]

need to figure out how many dks need it that are in for first boss this week

[vale pine]

nope

you can also use 2x agi too

[west bluff]

the stats are decent but not better than higher secondaries/ilvl

[lilac stag]

all of them

[pale fog]

Do we BP instead of Evis on Vaelgor & Ezorak now, or it just log farmers who are getting the bosses stacked on HC for parses who do this?

[spare crypt]

we bp even for 2 targets with the build that's played there

[bright oxide]

cool, what about embelish? i crafted a 272 with embelishment and now i crafting a 285 dagger that will be my main hand... do i need to switch embelishment?

[hazy breach]

Is good

[spare crypt]

oh hc

[celest ice]

with Guidon i know the correct usage of SD but does the same apply with emberwing trinket?

[spare crypt]

for hc no, we evis while they are spread

[west bluff]

who also wants the shadow damage neck? shadow priests?

i mean how contested is it

[pale fog]

I see. there are just som HC logs where they BP on alle combo spends it seems

[hazy breach]

Most people

[spare crypt]

while they are spread on hc, its a dmg loss to bp on 1 target

adds dmg if your group is competent enough is just pad

and you dont realistically need to bp

[vale pine]

nope, hunt on daggers is good

*dagger

but you only want one dagger crafted

and 2nd crafted embellishment on a off slot

like boots, bracers, belt typically

[jaunty heath]

any ring farmers in chat

[celest ice]

got it on 2nd run

[hazy breach]

Havent done that many, but yeah

[jaunty heath]

noise

[spare crypt]

same but neck and pit of saron

[west bluff]

31 10+ runs and counting, got the algethar one but that's the only one

[spare crypt]

3 days spent in the mines

[stuck arrow]

Seems pretty contested.

It's apparently BiS on shit like Ret that doesn't even do shadow damage

[spare crypt]

the rogues yearn for the mines

[warm marlin]

pit of saron neck much worse

so much worse

[west bluff]

well i just hope that it's a worse upgrade than for us

[flat bloom]

in raid: do i use the puzzle box before the pull or right before my first SB?

[spare crypt]

24 runs for neck

[bright oxide]

Only one dagger? so a hero dagger in off-hand is ok? this week we get a 3rd craft right? so i was planning on 2 daggers and a belt.

[spare crypt]

friends gaslighting me that i got out quickly

[hazy breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=151332/voidclaw-gauntlets?ilvl=289

[jaunty heath]

i got warbound neck from crown

so im good on neck front

[west bluff]

usually SS>box>proceed to rotation

[swift tinsel]

alleria neck damage is very low even in st, the stats are just good

[jaunty heath]

my best loot from raid was literary warbound 😄

[west bluff]

and just shadowstep if they move the boss too much

[swift tinsel]

huge haste injection

[jaunty heath]

next week you get pvp haste mastery hero track neck

[glad bough]

🙁 why couldnt my myth track trinket be the gaze

[vale pine]

you want:

• Mythic item level dagger with hunt
• A 2nd embellishment e.g. belt with linen

[jaunty heath]

so i would not stress farm m+ for that

[hollow spear]

Why don't you just get the raid neck?

[warm marlin]

real

[thorn sequoia]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[oblique crag]

By the way I read conflicting things on wep enchants. Is it 2x Ren'dorei, or 1x Ren'dorei and 1x Mastery proc?

[hazy breach]

Either

No difference

[bright oxide]

got it thank you

[white tapir]

So when you get 4 p, do you now do the 2nd sectech inside your shadow blades?

[oblique crag]

ideally with the 2nd of your anima charged CP from 2nd dance i think yes

[white tapir]

Or does anything change drastically with 4 p. I still need the guidon trinket

[west bluff]

i believe that if you have lust you have to delay the second dance a little to dance+sectech inside shadow blades

[azure thicket]

so uh with 4 set do we just use guidon even if sim says nope?

[west bluff]

didn't sim but makes sense

but yes you can fit another sectech

[stuck arrow]

I mean music puzzlebox kinda sick.

[vale pine]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[swift tinsel]

temtped to skip quidon just to not deal with ^

[west bluff]

btw before opening vault i'd suggest doing the TW raid

[hollow spear]

Just sim with low haste and mastery flask, stonks

[stuck arrow]

Guidon actually feels better than no guidon, personally.

[upper narwhal]

once you get used to the delay it's nice

[copper river]

What are you guys doing for your third craft? Shoudl I upgrade my embelished wrist with myth crests, or do a whole new craft at 285?

[azure thicket]

so we hold second dance til sec tec has about 2 seconds left?

[stuck arrow]

Feels waaaaay nicer than puzzlebox. 👀

[jaunty heath]

maybe the neck is craft angle

[green blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west bluff]

you don't waste sparks going for recraft anyway, i'll recraft waist to 285 and craft a neck/ring probably

[azure thicket]

since we run the first dance in keys what does that mean

[crude radish]

vault poll: HERO GUIDON vs MYTH CHEST

[stuck arrow]

Need to get a restealth every two minutes or tfd is less damage than other options.

[west bluff]

i started to enjoy puzzlebox simply because of the huge pump

solve the rubix and become a temporary god

[azure thicket]

ye puzzle box is pretty normal

[stuck arrow]

Mythic chest. Can get a hero trinket anywhere, can't get mythic chest except for from Chim & Crown, and they'll be contested.

[glad bough]

puzzlebox is not normal i shouldnt have to stop pressing buttons to cast a trinket 🙂 that being said i use the fuck out of it because it slaps

[pure jay]

depends ony our guild

[small vortex]

chim and belo not crown

[azure thicket]

guidon is gonna feel better mid season when tanks start pulling like maniacs i see the cook

[west bluff]

this man speaks the truth, tier will go to devourers

[bright oxide]

what would you recommend for a 3rd craft?

[stuck arrow]

Lol you right. Crown drop pants.

But still.

[vocal rock]

I think the mythic tier shoulders is the move here, too bad I only raid N or that guidon would be real nice

[west bluff]

i mean pugging first bosses is easy, and even easier with higher ilvl, all the more reason to go for the shoulders

[stuck arrow]

And if you're guild is splitting loot eventually based on gain - if the chest isn't a big upgrade for you it means you're more likely to get the trinket.

[inland glacier]

Guys, what's the best craft for this week?

belt?

[vocal rock]

yea exactly, I'm super lucky to have mythic tier

[jaunty heath]

guidion isnt even that big, compareed to puzzle box

[pure jay]

them trinkets though

[inland glacier]

trinkets?

[pure jay]

im jealous of your bis trinkets

[azure thicket]

quick question then what do we drop if we don't take tfd

[pure jay]

can't wait to be double on use

[jaunty heath]

its already happening

[pure jay]

oh apparently guidon replaces box lmfaooo https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kaypbgghoYMhN6rXBKU1yE

[stuck arrow]

Finality.

[azure thicket]

ye run it with the rep trinket at 3 levels til you get gaze

[azure thicket]

can't reach finality with the wowhead build, mind linking your talents?

[hybrid prism]

first week hero gaze, second week hero guidon. feels good

[azure thicket]

best i can get is weaponmaster or veiltouched

[hybrid prism]

and it has speeeeeed on it

[azure thicket]

ye the wowhead build grabs 1/2 finality too looks like veiltouched

[primal elbow]

Is the neck just make stat balancing easier? Is it worth taking hero neck over myth tier shoulders?

[azure thicket]

yes

[stuck arrow]

Neck is crazy DPS. Sim it.

[hybrid prism]

that neck gives so much haste that it makes everything else easier. hella cool

[azure thicket]

i can't run star platinum band

[wintry heart]

That necklace is incredibly good isn’t it

[hybrid prism]

the neck is only crazy good dps because of the haste lmao

the effect does like nothing

[primal elbow]

Are sims still dropping us below 650-700 haste? Have not been able to figure out a workaround

[stuck arrow]

It's free damage you can't get anywhere else.

[hybrid prism]

although i guess it could be better for DS

and u right

[chilly kite]

got mythic puzzlebox, i'm guessing i use that over hero guidon lol

[hybrid prism]

i would sim it

[dire hare]

is it worth taking heroic gaze of alnseer over mythic haste/mast ring?

[pure jay]

def sims question

[west tide]

went from normal to mythic helmet bros we up

[stuck arrow]

Mythic puzzle box will out sim heroic guidon.

You take unless you have some other sweet upgrade.

[west tide]

i have a heroic guidon already

[pure jay]

heroic to myth guidon not big? guess not that big

[jaunty heath]

any hands collectors

[subtle pine]

Would yall take mythic weapon or heroic tier piece ?

[pure jay]

mythic wep

[subtle pine]

💯

[chilly kite]

interesting, hero guidon sims 3% higher

[still gazelle]

719 haste now with oils on.. Time to swap out a gem I guess? Or is exceeding 700 not that bad

[lucid jackal]

@warm marlin rogue on the bench, literal thanos vault

[valid turtle]

Is 4 piece huge?

[stuck arrow]

3% seems kinda high TBH. What your talents / stats?

[lilac stag]

Guess your shit vault streak is over.

[lucid jackal]

Yeah man nice right on time for it to be a 0 rogue tier

[lilac stag]

your timing is impeccable

[chilly kite]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5vwW4VW8ZpkT9Pdg7jCTL7

[west bluff]

Yes best 4 tier of all afaik, or at least for leather

[warm marlin]

holy the streak is actually over

[stuck arrow]

You're not simming the upgraded trinket. You slam that to 289 right when you pick it up.

Also is only 1%, 3% is double active.

Also my guy. Get you some ring enchants. 😭

[warm marlin]

that gaze is gonna go hard on the bench

[hard breach]

Anyone found a sweet spot for Mastery? Currently sitting at 64%, and it feels kinda low. You guys running like 70%-75%?

[chilly kite]

i've been spamming trying to get hero track rings, i'm not enchanting vet or champ track rings, my ass is poor and enchants are absurd atm

[azure thicket]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kLTUBjmic8uNgaU1d7qDo

idk what my sim is telling me

[alpine wraith]

Lura rogue prog PoV

[chilly kite]

i mean bel'oran has to be rogue pov right, its full st

[stuck arrow]

The cheap ones like 5 gold. 50 crit better than nothing.

[alpine wraith]

you meant the sull st where we are behind only a bit

[tulip light]

big plot twist inc and rogue will be the most broken class on lura 🥲

[alpine wraith]

oh wait

surely i trust

3 rogues in l'ura

[lucid jackal]

The issue is that

Ranged DPS

[alpine wraith]

in 3 months buying a boost

[lucid jackal]

IS so unreal levels of overtuned in the game rn

And rogue doesn't specialize in anything other than "ST damage" (kinda)

So like

[crystal bone]

i recommend the wagons circling the middle, nice and cozy pillow seats

[stuck arrow]

Aimed shot goes brrrrrrr

[lucid jackal]

I cannot believe the tuning this tier

[alpine wraith]

time to make the benched rogue podcast

coming to you this fridaay

everyone invited

[lucid jackal]

Do you guys remember that they buffed devourer

They saw devourer on week 1 and said

"We need this to be 5% stronger"

[chilly kite]

you right, i havn't checked in awhile last i saw cheap ring enchants for like 2k

[lilac stag]

the outlaw tier cursed us all

[lucid jackal]

Yeah uhmmm I think?

5% to devourer?

Maybe another 5% this reset too?

Oh shit shadow priest is below a melee DPS, I think we need another 10% to shadow on this reset

I'm going to vomit

[chilly kite]

devourer is blizzards new spec for the xpac, of course its gonna out perform and never recieve any nerf

[rustic field]

They devoured the balance

[chilly kite]

just like every other xpac with a new class

[alpine wraith]

i still find funny they nerfed uhdk

then they were oh wait

[chilly kite]

my surprise was marksman was just left alone and not even slightly touched

[alpine wraith]

and now they are top st on some bosses

[native zodiac]

the craziest part imo was the sub rogue nerf in heroic week that got never walked back, but the dk one did god knows why

[hazy breach]

Or like when they did a rogue rework, and rogues were suddenly OP

[alpine wraith]

yea rogue aoe and cleave nerf

[torn tide]

"shit shit, too far"

[hazy breach]

or when they did a DK rework and DKs were suddenly OP

[lilac stag]

It could be worse. You could have a full prepped devourer and been assigned rogue like Stealthi.

[stuck arrow]

They looking at this graph lol

[hazy breach]

Who couldve predicted that the reworked/new specs were gonna be OP

[dire hare]

any thoughts on heroic gaze of alnseer versus mythic mast/hast ring for vault?

[alpine wraith]

dont worry they remade combat into outlaw

[torn tide]

is there any way to get myth track pieces other then vault if i dont do raiding?

[jaunty heath]

i cant even get gaze from vaulzt

or dagger

kinda sadge

[alpine wraith]

and managed to nerf it into irrelevancy 7 times in a row

between EN and gul dan raid

even before first raid was out

it got its knees capped

[stuck arrow]

Nope.

[torn tide]

fuck lol

i just accidentally missed out on one this week then

oh well

[stuck arrow]

Eh it'll be fine.

In 12.0.5 you can get like 3 mythic pieces a week without raiding.

[keen dome]

I got home from work, did we get buffs

[torn tide]

wait what how

[west bluff]

i miss assa being a raid god

[crystal bone]

no, but heres a banana

[stuck arrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/bonus-rolls-are-returning-in-patch-12-0-5-with-knockout-system-380757

We're like a month and a half away though.

[torn tide]

oh great thanks

[pure jay]

sin rogue in shambles

is there a way to force the sim to aim for 700 haste?

or how much do we care about being at 700 haste all the time if we get guidon?

[small vortex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rP6DucGNeJ8Hct2P3TX3ot
would yall take myth chest here or 2 set ring?

[stuck arrow]

Still care about the haste. Guidon only affects like 1/6 dances/sectecs.

[pure jay]

is there a script or something to make the sim force 700 haste?

[stuck arrow]

No.

[graceful osprey]

We are the best class in the game now, 1 million dps burst and 5 million aoe burst

[pure jay]

so we just vibe gear? rip sims

[keen dome]

Finally

Do we have a raid buff though

[fresh canyon]

Didn't need nerf. It was bad as soon as they made that change in...WoD

[alpine wraith]

no it had like 7 relic nerfs

[stuck arrow]

Not quite vibe.

Just need to ignore gear sets that don't give you enough haste. Or sim them again with haste flasks.

[alpine wraith]

but yea i hated outlaw

combat was simple but fun

[oblique crag]

The Blizzard cooldown manager cannot track The First Dance can it? What solutions have you guys used for tracking it with the addon changes?

[fresh canyon]

Combat was peak

[remote rapids]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pure jay]

yea, sim just has me ~550

[harsh gale]

what is our ideal 3rd craft this week

[lilac stag]

whatever you need

[pure jay]

think mines gonna be pants

[oblique crag]

Probably whatever your lowest iL is, or pants for maximum stats.

[winged shore]

i'm considering neck or ring

[stuck arrow]

You have link?

[harsh gale]

im thinking ring too to just lock in a good amount of haste

[oblique crag]

I missed TBC Combat specifically. I really enjoyed how that spec was so heavily involved around making your AAs do stuff. Hitting a target with blinkstrike to proc extra strike, sword spec and WF at once is just glorious. Juggling SnD and Rupture was fine gameplay wise for me.

[winged shore]

i'm leaning toward neck b/c there aren't any good m+ necks

but several decent rings

[alpine wraith]

you get the pvp neck this week i fNA

iirc

bit neck

[pure jay]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c6Ln7aX6DgDwJKDSRfrqZ7

[lilac stag]

ring is a waste. this is free

[alpine wraith]

super huge mastery

[pure jay]

but vers

[alpine wraith]

no it has mastery haste

what

[azure thicket]

anyone have the macro for guidon

[pure jay]

verse mastery

for me

[lilac stag]

literally right above you

the ring is vers mastery

[alpine wraith]

it is the one from doing the 4 pvp quests

[winged shore]

i really need more haste out of my neck right now to balance

[alpine wraith]

not the one on conquest vendor

[pure jay]

maybe im mixing them up

[hushed roost]

How do you sim racials?

[stuck arrow]

In any case - you'll not hit the sim DPS with 550 haste, you'll lose a global 90% of the time.

Find highest combination with 650-700. Even if you need to use haste flask.

[remote rapids]

that chest won't keep that equip bonus if i catalyst it, correct?

[oblique crag]

correct

[pure jay]

hate when sims can be so accurate but so wrong

[winged shore]

also I have a myth puzzle box in my vault. I know i have to click it but i hate it so much

[oblique crag]

solve. that. puzzle!

[hushed roost]

shadowstrikeIN pull out RUBIKS CUBE

[pure jay]

i got super use to it, felt better then guidon so far with how much dmg the mastery brings so far

[potent relic]

i was so worried to get myth puzzle box after getting a guidon this week

[oblique crag]

At least we do it really fast like those prodigy kids that just do some 200 APM moves on a cube and solve it in under a minute

[winged shore]

yeah I know it's good and I know I have to pick it

I just hate it

[oblique crag]

if you imagine it that way its kinda cool

[hushed roost]

i like to imagine my character doing the cup stacking thing instead

[pure jay]

i am happy guidon is 1.5 w/ sblades

[oblique crag]

LOL

[hushed roost]

LMAO

[winged shore]

my guild's probably not doing myth prog for a bit so i'll be stuck w/ the box

[hushed roost]

its really not THAT bad

[oblique crag]

isn't box like slightly better for M+ too? If that's waht you're into

[dusky yacht]

Raidleader: "DPS ON THE ADD"
Me, an intellectual: solves a puzzle

[hushed roost]

i lowkey hated transmitter more but that might be a hot take

[oblique crag]

i'm with you, that trinket can step on a lego brick

[hazy breach]

Box a bit better for aoe, but a lot worse for ST

[pseudo raptor]

o
Wow I have a hard choice. Heroic 6/6 Eternal voidsong chain or mythic ring/boots from vault?

[hazy breach]

So not strictly better, but an option for sure

[alpine wraith]

solution just never have st

pull everything onto bosses

[winged shore]

my other highest trinket right now is also vessel of tortured souls

[alpine wraith]

become chinaman

[stuck arrow]

Honestly just use a haste flask.

[alpine wraith]

2000 mastery

[winged shore]

using that and box is torture

[smoky estuary]

is there any changes to rotation with 2p set or only at 4p set

[hushed roost]

yeah man even when guild says no black powder use black powder

[grim vessel]

hmmmmm, champion Guidon or mythic gloves

[alpine wraith]

crucible>vessel

just use that one

[hazy breach]

Get the void renown trinket

Crucible ye

[smoky estuary]

what you guys already have your weekly chest?

[alpine wraith]

they are NA

[stuck arrow]

The Sims not wrong. It just doesn't have latency.

[smoky estuary]

cheater region

[oblique crag]

Always take the opportunity to 'finish' a slot unless you never ever will get the myth guidon

[wintry heart]

I’m not at the haste threshold and my sims telll me to go for mastery enchants. Am I doing something wrong

[winged shore]

yeah I have that but it's just champ

[hazy breach]

Yes

Use it anyway

[little tapir]

Using raidbot for sims takes so long if u don't have premium

[hazy breach]

Its better than any heroic besides gaze/plume

[pseudo raptor]

Help please - eternal voidsong chain ill never get the mythic. Should I get the neck or myth piece here?

[little tapir]

u have to pick dungeons 1 by 1 🙁

[pure jay]

interesting

[wintry heart]

My normal plume sims higher *i think *

[little tapir]

My vault is in 5 hours 😡

[white tapir]

Would it be troll to make a outlaw offspec weapon this week for the bosses that sub sucks on, like paladins?

[hushed roost]

what myth piece would you even get

[hazy breach]

Well yeah, that is why i explicitly said it wasnt better than that one

[pseudo raptor]

I guess the boots or ring here rather than the neck

[wintry heart]

I can’t read, that’s why I’m a rogue main.

[pseudo raptor]

The neck is heroic the rest are mythic

[hushed roost]

what do the sims say for the mythic pieces

[alpine wraith]

get all of them

[hushed roost]

because that heroic neck is super contested

[alpine wraith]

cheat

[hushed roost]

at least on my teams wowaudit

[alpine wraith]

tbh i would get the neck yea

no rogue dog ass is getting that

[torn tide]

should i recraft weapon if i have 40 myth crests

[alpine wraith]

unless you have dirt on the ML

[hushed roost]

yeah id take neck

[pseudo raptor]

The neck is from heroic crown ... pretty hard to get. And i only do pugs

[alpine wraith]

recraft costs 80

[hushed roost]

okay yeah

goa head and loot that

[torn tide]

oh.. oops

[hushed roost]

good news guys the recraft didnt eat my crests

[torn tide]

i assume we shouldnt recraft with hero ones right

[little tapir]

I used all my myth crests to recraft dagger and belt

[little tapir]

Yeah you shouldn't, i wasted 160 crests like that 🙁

[vale pine]

i don't know, whatever slot sims best ^^

[little tapir]

Just run tier 11 delves, beat nulleaus

and do some 10+ runs

to get the mythic ones

[torn tide]

ouch

[golden coral]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[real belfry]

Would Deathstalker be better for Crown seeing as we're really not doing that much AoE outside of p1?

[oak socket]

Would you guys take a mythic puzzle box from vualt?

[stuck arrow]

Might even be better for P1. Parsing on that fight is purely about timing a burst window on the last add.

[fresh canyon]

Depends

[stuck arrow]

What else in vault?

[little tapir]

Don’t use the macro using trinket

If u have guidon

I heard you need to use the trinket 1s before to get the haste buff to expand your cd

[tiny sable]

Good day, dear rogues, can someone please help me with a sim, it cuts my haste to 200-300, I tried different options, the result does not change.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wmYxeqiuiZPV9jJNjJ9VwX

[little tapir]

Is there a command for stats threshold

[indigo verge]

Are we the only spec with Guidon as BiS? Got hero one in vault.. along with myth track chest head and legs so im wondering if i should just skip it and hope it drops in our runs (already have a normal one)

[oblique rune]

What consumables do we use?

[fresh canyon]

No

[tiny sable]

max_time=60
vary_combat_length=0
Only commands i use

[fresh canyon]

Everyone wants Guidon. Even tanks

[little tapir]

I hate running sims

[little tapir]

It takes so long

[sick arrow]

if im at 708 haste without weapon oil, do i still use it?

[hazy breach]

Well its only bad right after eset

[torn tide]

damn well i think as long as i get full hero track gear by then i think ill be content

[little tapir]

My goal for this season is at least 6/6 hero everywhere

Then i’ll be happy

[grizzled thorn]

Anyone know if this do good procs ?

[torn tide]

sounds like a shit ton of crests

[keen dome]

Hell yeah, very doable

[left ledge]

The proc is quite weak, stats are ok though

[hazy breach]

Its like +0.5% on ST

So its fine

[jagged hazel]

sorry in advance if this is dumb question, but im new to simming and just simmed the vault in Dslice since i mostly do M+. myth track tier shoulders came out higher than myth track tier helm. but the helm has 31 more agility than shoulders. and i had thought agility was best stat for dps. why do the shoulders with less main stat come out higher in sims?

[quick marlin]

link the sim

[little tapir]

It’s like 800

Max

[stuck arrow]

Link?

[little tapir]

If u get 3/6 loots

[pastel geyser]

are the haste trinkets not good in m+?

they sim bad in dungeon slice and on bloodmallet

[jagged hazel]

did one with no buffs: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uuCzHQZ9oq1rHFAyS3cZTE and one with the usual buffs i have in keys: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ruB8UNJWYVTB3Ej1SZne1n

[stuck arrow]

Less that they bad, more that mastery double dips in AoE with potent powder

[hazy breach]

Also bloodmallet is DS

For trickster guidon is not far behind even in big aoe (but it is behind)

[tiny sable]

If anyone has any ideas, I would be very grateful, it is difficult to find gear without a sim

[quick marlin]

whats ur current shoulders

[jagged hazel]

sorry wrong link for the one with buffs its changed now

[pastel geyser]

gotta decide if this feather is worth when i have 0 tier pieces and champ guidon

[hazy breach]

Feather is not it

[jagged hazel]

hero track 3/6 with vers mastery

[quick marlin]

then yeah u gain more

oh

[dire flame]

Link your whole sim

[tiny sable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wmYxeqiuiZPV9jJNjJ9VwX

[quick marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3B1vQg3RjjRcqfwXtgZMi3

[vale pine]

nicu

[jagged hazel]

hmm so what did i do that made the shoulders come out as #1?

[quick marlin]

idk simmed wrong

dungeon slice is weird ig

[dire flame]

Im ngl, I never sim dungeon slice

[jagged hazel]

i see so helm is the better choice then?

[dire flame]

I just sim only ST

[jagged hazel]

thank you guys for the help btw i appreciate it

[quick marlin]

yeah just take the helmet based on the sim

[fluid lintel]

So questiom

we do not want secret tech and shadow dance macroes ye?

[dire flame]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[quick marlin]

i have sb+trinket+pot in one macro and sd+st in another

[fluid lintel]

Do we not care about apex on tech?

[tulip light]

we care about apex on superchargers / DN

[stuck arrow]

Looks like taking Shoulders just gets you less vers.

I'd probably take the helm personally - assuming you going to spam M+.

What's ST look like?

[dire flame]

What's dn

[obtuse orbit]

Darkest night

[dire flame]

I set you up and you still failed