subtlety

[hollow spear]

If you just lose one or two globals over a 5 minute sim

You basically ate up all the extra dps you've gained from the mastery/crit you try to squeeze in

[valid yoke]

Use it during a dry window for guaranteed max cp and an extra shadowstrike use, only a minor gain in damage if I remember rightly

[orchid linden]

cheers

[dark mural]

quick noob question, when sending out a personal order for dagger craft I select the orange (last) quality option right 0-o

[swift tinsel]

fuck breakpoints so hard

they're so stupid

[vale osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6MiDw5eujknwqHdiz99BgA

Just when I thought I was done with farming anything except trinket and belt - looks like I need to be in xenas and eternal pit damnation

I guess I can spam low key level pit and xenas tho

[tacit loom]

I'm sure this has already been discussed and I just can't find anything, but in looking at the sim it's using guidon simultaneously with cooldowns, which is always allowing the 4pc+ guidon tech to use second shadowdance while the buff is still up. In testing it seems more like we need to use guidon almost a second ahead of dance which would make it impossible to get a second guidon shadowdance + be able to smoothly hit a supercharged second sectech without higher haste.

Is there a way to force sims to use second dance just outside the guidon window to test if the supercharged sectec is actually more value?

[quick marlin]

do u guys have everything macrod together

i have dance+sec tech and sb separately

[frigid light]

ty for the 684 breakpoint guys i will change it i think in the real world it matters more to have 0,1s

[swift tinsel]

I have a dance+storm and dance+evisc for niche use

[frigid light]

i have dance + secret tech and the 2nd macro i have potions + shadow blades + shadowdance + secret tech

[quick marlin]

oh

am i inting by not having eveyrthing macro d together

[frigid light]

we dont macro trinket bc else the haste that it gives doesnt apply to shadowdance and so on

[upbeat cradle]

I have that too

[quick marlin]

.2

[wet idol]

i have nothing macro except pot to sb, i think its more or less what u are used to that matters

[frigid light]

you gotta use trinket before else your dance doesnt get extended

if you macro it together

dont macro the haste trinket

[quick marlin]

yeah

well it is macrod with sb

not dance

so

[frigid light]

or that

[quick marlin]

whats wron w macroing it to sb

[frigid light]

just press trinket slot when you do shadowstrike or smth

ah

if you have it macrod your dance doesnt have more duration

[quick marlin]

yes it does

[quick marlin]

yeah just macro it to SB

and use sb .1 seconds before sd

[orchid linden]

do you never wanna use sec tech without being in dance? sometimes i find myself waiting for 2 dances to stack for blade cd but ive still got 20s spare to use sec tech? surely its fine to just send the finisher?

[frigid light]

yeah but you lose .1s dance like this

or no?

[olive canyon]

always dance with sectec

[quick marlin]

you dont lose any cd of dance

you lose .1 s of sb

[olive canyon]

ideally you enter dance at full cp and sec tec is your first ability, likely macrod to dance

[wet idol]

You would never want to stack 2 dance before sending sb, i mean, it will come back before first dance is over if you hold properly so you are never sending sectech alone

[quick marlin]

and idk how important .1 of sb is

the smarter people probably know

[frigid light]

nah not sb

[dire timber]

When do you use your second Shadow Dance? When Shadow Blades has how many seconds left?

[orchid linden]

oh ure right i forgot abt that

[frigid light]

do you still have 8,7 or 8,8 duration on shadow dance with your macros umbrica?

with haste trinket

[quick marlin]

8.7

[frigid light]

ok good

[wet idol]

I think its more or less that if u send sb before dance u lose extra .seconds that will alow u to use 2ncd supercharged sec tech in your sb window

[quick marlin]

7.4 without

i can still use supercharged sec tec in my sb window

with like 2 seconds left of SB

[wet idol]

then its ok

[frigid light]

your 2nd shadowdance is also 8,7?

non bloodlust

[quick marlin]

waiting 30 seconds for blades to come up

but like

2nd one cant have it

your first shadow dance lasts 8.7

ur trinket lasts 6 seocnds

[frigid light]

which trinket?

[quick marlin]

first sdance 8.7
2nd sdance 8.7 aswell

[quick marlin]

im dented i read the wrong part of the trinkey

[frigid light]

isnt it 15s haste buff?

[quick marlin]

yes it is

[upbeat cradle]

Depends, do you have 4p and guidon ?

If you don't, i'd just press second dance as soon as the first one ends and you have 6+ combo points

If you do have them

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[wet idol]

So if you have 4p and guidon u dont want to press second dance as soon as the first one is over right?

You want to wait for your 2nd sectech to be supercharged

[frigid light]

yeah thats how im playing it

i think its shadow dance eviscerate(charged) and then secret tech (charged)

on the 2nd one

with guidon 4p

[wet idol]

Yea yea, thats why your are pressing second dance only when sectech has 2sec cooldown, so its ur second finisher supercharged in your 2nd dance

[frigid light]

when do we press guidon in opener? with shadowstrike?

[wet idol]

Yea I guess something like that

[upbeat cradle]

You wait 2s before, so first supercharged is eviscerate, second is sectech

And by then shadow blade should be 1s from ending

[wet idol]

Yea ok! Thanks for the confirmation

[mighty citrus]

does somebody know roughly how much dmg a st vs a supercharged st is? like ilvl 266 or 270 around

[upbeat cradle]

I usually shadowstrike guidon, then press the SB macro

[frigid light]

ok

[celest drum]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[misty dome]

man i'm so tired of stealth in this game

[fair phoenix]

u guys think my gear its ok?

[misty dome]

i get knocked out of stealth by mobs that can't see me in dungeons, doing a training ground now for the weekly quest and i got knocked out of stealth by a max range death grip

mobs just ignore that isht

@fair phoenix under 270, delete and remake

[violet palm]

Sometimes it’s weird for me and I can fit 2nd sectech even without 4set with lust and other times I can’t. Can’t figure out why

[quick marlin]

67

[upbeat cradle]

I'd want a bit more haste tbh

[misty dome]

my 2nd sec tec always seems to fall outside even with the 4 set, was meaning to hit a dummy to figure that out but i just got it

i thought 18 was the target break point

[upbeat cradle]

18 is the break point if you're a machine

[misty dome]

well i do like techno...

[upbeat cradle]

I'm human so i want 700+ which is around 19-20%

[misty dome]

you'd like techno too if you had robot ears

i'm still goign max ilvl and i have 20% so maybe that's why it feels good

i mean i'm garbage but good feeling garbage machine

[fair phoenix]

😂

dindt expend all crests already

[astral briar]

do you guys pool Dance charges before blades?

[warm marlin]

there might be an easier way but hit the 3 dots on the right of the combination you care about, run a quick sim (can just be 20s to make it fast), go full html report on the right, scroll down to stats

[strange chasm]

Is the haste amount even after when having the trinket pop during cds? Or not having 650-700 haste means you miss a gcd every single dance sec tech window outside of when ur popping blades and trinket

[hollow raptor]

Aim to have 1 and another coming off cd

[alpine wraith]

you miss a gcd every dance

trink only gives 1 sec and something

depending on illvl

[vale osprey]

I just got out the ole calc

[chilly dagger]

Do you sim usually with Haste or Mastery Flask?

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin have you tried running around 760 haste? I finally got 4pc and that seems to make the 2nd Sectech in blades not toxic.

[sweet heron]

So I’ve been hitting about 90+ parses but we have a few people murdering adds before I can get a ss bp off on them. To parse do I have to pad on adds in this raid? Seems tough.

[vocal rock]

So at some point I realized sectech isn’t tied to the gcd? It seems like if I’m not careful watching the gcd refresh I can accidentally cast sectech before SD using the combined SD->sectech macro? Or am I hallucinating

[fair dove]

To parse... yes

[finite hedge]

Yeah I think a little bit more haste actually makes this a bit smoother.

[upbeat cradle]

This whole raid is terribad for rogues tho

[sullen hare]

That's what happens when your destroy our 2-3 target performance in a 2-3 target raid yes

[pastel geyser]

it doesnt help that we also arent top tier at basically anything

[shrewd lantern]

its ok they'll turbobuff assa mid season

and stuck in jail again

[drifting zinc]

Been greeding cata charges all week for hero pieces. Ran about 40 m+ not a single piece. Besides necks rings and cloaks. Zzz

[sweet heron]

Guess I keep doing the mechs right and don’t worry about it!

[shrewd lantern]

if you can make 4p theres no reason to greed

[vale pine]

this seems common

[drifting zinc]

Can't only 3 figured id greed till Tuesday let me cope

[vale pine]

i run over 50 and still have like 8+ loot pieces i need

[fair dove]

There was a massive difference in my dps on dragons when my group did or didnt blow up the adds. I had a couple full dances on adds to pad and went from a 91 parse to 99

[alpine wraith]

it is quite a diff

[shrewd lantern]

1 raid from 1 raid from vault

2 cata charges

should be enough

[sweet heron]

Got it! We have a ret paladin that runs in and everything dies hahaha. I feel like that is the limiting factor. He pumps so I’m not mad.

[alpine wraith]

what you can do too is also begin dance with 0 cp instead of full so you dance storm evis strike sec tech to have 1 more sec of leeway

to not lose guidon

or dance strike that 0.2 you may lose from delay is worth because you get 1.x secs extra from not krangling guidon

of course elite gamers can just hit with none of those

[latent remnant]

despairing with my m+ luck all week

[swift tinsel]

rocking literal demonic haste

[lilac stag]

I think it’s maybe an engineering boots angle

[alpine wraith]

i may slam boots or wrist yea

[lilac stag]

I’m thinking boots since no one wants wrists from raid usually

[alpine wraith]

boots can be a bit weird because first boss drops ones

and you can cata them for good stats

for crit mastery

[lilac stag]

yea

[flint parrot]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail path]

Closing in on 40 runs and still rocking veteran jewellery. Rng to the max 🙁

[alpine wraith]

dont worry im at almost 100

still 1 champion ring

and every time it drops

[elfin hound]

when do we craft second myth track item?

[alpine wraith]

sorry cant trade

xddd

depends on your prog or situation

some guilds are holding off second craft

ours wanted to send it

to kill chima and mayba salad this week

[elfin hound]

holding for unlucky vault?

[alpine wraith]

no they are holding in case they get the piece they would craft on vault

at M ilvl

[fiery fog]

prob next week if you cant uograde anything else imo

myth recraft for belt is like 500-600 dps

for 80 crests

[alpine wraith]

next week is third craft

so also depends if you get lots of M track gear maybe dont

[fiery fog]

i spent 100 mythic crests for guidon yesterday

[alpine wraith]

but sadly for me the bench does not loot M track

[fiery fog]

i couldnt even recraft if i wanted to

[alpine wraith]

maybe i can scam my way up to dragons

but i think it stops there unless our ranged are all together in an airplane accident

[vale osprey]

You and us all brother

[elfin hound]

7th april we get surely buffs and even a rework

[fiery fog]

i was lucky enough to be put in all bosses for now
later today we are progging dragons

[alpine wraith]

hope you enjoy sniping adds

[fiery fog]

i really dont like bosses where you have to pad like a madman to get a good log

[vale osprey]

Idk if anyone does

[fiery fog]

classes that can do so probably do

but sectec doesnt have the range to pad all these orbs instantly xd

and padding on salhadaar is just useless

but needed if you want a good log

[alpine wraith]

if the strat is the right one you do havee range

to hill all orbs + 2 bosses

they have to kiss

[fiery fog]

if they are alive before getting grouped

because some devourer just instantly obliterates them the second they spawn

[alpine wraith]

you just send and pray they didnt get deleted

[vale pine]

i still have 2 veteran tier set pieces

[alpine wraith]

or do the oldie goldie of just sec tech before they spawn and snipe them then coup bp bp etc a bit

you still want to bp for the 2 bosses anyway

[arctic abyss]

Hmm

[sullen hare]

(it's not gonna happen)

[fiery fog]

yeah
i just need to see how long they survive and how sectechs allign

holding sectec for 5+ seconds isnt really worth it imo

dragons also look like a blades on cd fight

[arctic abyss]

All I know is I’m getting smoked by other classes 🙂

[tepid trellis]

only class ive lost on overall is magus

[warm marlin]

idk ive been trying some scuffed stuff

[arctic abyss]

Don’t get me wrong I top the meters in our raids. But I’m in 4 set 264 But there in blues lol

[warm marlin]

my current running theory is that it's worth holding gcd a bit in blades when you're almost ready to 2nd dance

only like 0.4s

it's hard to tell when exactly sectec will be up and i think the cd is fractional

you lose a gcd in blades anyway due to coup so you have a lot of leeway to work with

something like this

[lilac stag]

Try bumping haste up to get Sectech down.

[warm marlin]

yeah it just seems a little troll

i can consistently hit all gcds in dance at like 650 when i was stuck at that amount

[lilac stag]

Way less troll than not fitting it

[jaunty heath]

whats lowest key to drop hero track

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[warm marlin]

oh i always supercharge 2nd sectec sometimes im just striking with apex already up

[lilac stag]

goes down to is the Sectech cd more or less important than an added gcd in dance

[warm marlin]

like you could wait the extra gcd to make sure its always 4th global

but you're trading guidon snapshot (+1 dance gcd) to have a more optimized dance where you don't rip a useless strike at full cp... but you're getting 1 less dance gcd anyway

might as well dance early and have a slightly shitty strike, still a lot better than an out of dance backstab

no sim for that obv im just feelcrafting

[lilac stag]

yea

[fathom adder]

why do you want to 5cp-> dance with sectec on low cd ~ 2 seconds -> finish -> build -> sectec with 4 set ?

[lilac stag]

All I was doing in game messing with actual haste numbers

[warm marlin]

i cant really go that high without changing all my gear and im already getting rinsed clean of all my gold reenchanting everything every 2s

[strange chasm]

You guys using haste flask?

[warm marlin]

especially after swapping outlaw for a boss yesterday

[strange chasm]

I think without the crown neck you almost need the 2 heavy haste mastery rings to have anywhere near 700 haste

[fiery fog]

only at like ~550 haste or less

[muted agate]

when do you use 2nd charge of sd

[warm marlin]

my main has played haste flask since day1

[lilac stag]

744 no weapon oils lol

[warm marlin]

aint no way i get 700 natty

[warm marlin]

ye idk it could be the move

maybe that's why my robot randomly puts me at 850 haste sometimes

[strange chasm]

With light ring and MT ring it should be close with oils

[chilly dagger]

With haste Flask though?

[strange chasm]

I'm using AA ring and sitting at like 570 haste lol

[lilac stag]

mastery

[hollow spear]

I tend to intentionally int one global in blades before guidon runs out

[jaunty heath]

i was recrafting haste away to not sit at 740 haste kek

[hollow spear]

so that I improve my dance after

[chilly dagger]

So you sim with Mastery Flasks generally? Because it feels like simming does not want to gear me towards haste :/

[warm marlin]

i run top gears in parallel with both flasks

the joys of haste breakpoints

[lilac stag]

i wasnt simming shit with 2pc no point to it. i'll start messing with gear in sims more now. just doing practical testing in game to see what doesnt make me want to slam my head into the keeb

[supple barn]

BLACK POWDAH BLACK POWDAH

[lilac stag]

725 ish gets the sectech in blades comfy with trinket

[supple barn]

I click black POWDAH

[warm marlin]

my internal 1s clock goes hard sometimes

[hollow spear]

my sim is flip flopping harder than a Havaiana factory because of the haste threshold

[supple barn]

[sullen hare]

[fiery fog]

yeah the second you have ~690 haste the sim wants to get rid of everything haste related and tells you some random vers cloak is a 2k dps upgrade xd

[sullen hare]

I have 1pc so I feel you on that

[hollow spear]

haste breakpoint discovered: abort!

caps

[supple barn]

I’m gonna main stat vers because fk the meta

[warm marlin]

i just ran the top gear mastery flask as a test and it thinks dropping to 610 haste is a 500 dps gain

[pure yacht]

that 690/700 haste threshold isn't make a ton of sense to me? It's 1.5s added onto dance

Wouldn't you wanta whole number there for extra globals?

Is the extra 0.5s doing anything?

[jaunty heath]

i just dont like that this haste thing fucking up my droptimizer

[fiery fog]

its because youre a human and are more prone to do mistakes and the extra haste is to give you some margin of error

the sim is playing perfectly and does not miss any gcd

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-red-bull-formula-1-f1-gif-9118078069663486252

[hollow spear]

the secret to true happiness is to remove the duration timer from your shadow dance bar so you don't know if you've messed up your guidon timing

[supple barn]

I am the sim

I am the one who knocks

[warm marlin]

coup costs an extra 0.2s, baseline adding 0.2s therefore gets you an extra gcd in dance, going up to 1.2s gets you 2 gcds, and 1.4s is to help make it easier to get them all in as a human

[uncut socket]

/MD

!MD

[pure yacht]

Right CdG bigger GCD - fackin ell

[uncut socket]

no addon to replace it? rip

[hollow spear]

that's rich, coming from "mister one second"

[fiery fog]

one second is all it takes

[jaunty heath]

wasnt it better when we did not care about haste 😄

[strange chasm]

So if I run haste flask I sit at this amount.

[warm marlin]

one second is a really long time okay

[strange chasm]

Without haste flask Im at like 580

[fiery fog]

we went from haste neglecting to vers neglecting

[fossil forge]

I liked neglecting haste more

[jaunty heath]

me too

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hand-back-away-dog-leave-disgusted-gif-15798798190133447846

[warm marlin]

sounds like mastery flask + some changes to drop some haste

[fiery fog]

when an item has vers

[strange chasm]

Nah without im under 600 haste

[warm marlin]

ye that's the doom zone

want to be around 530 or around 650

inbetween too cursed

[fossil forge]

Im all haste gear and gems just to be at 700

[strange chasm]

so i like need to run the flask until I get crown neck I think

[fossil forge]

+flask

[tribal vortex]

you can drop some haste

[fossil forge]

[tribal vortex]

by changing gear

[strange chasm]

I can just use rank 1 haste flask xd

[fossil forge]

Rogue damage so poopoo i might try to get 1400haste

[swift tinsel]

please just remove this cursed haste gearing shit

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

its

so bad

[fossil forge]

we are getting the law,, treatment

[arctic abyss]

Nothing is coming on ptr that I’ve read either

[strange chasm]

changed gems

[swift tinsel]

they're not gonna redo everything

[strange chasm]

am I saved now running haste flask + this

[swift tinsel]

considering they didn't even finish redoing everything after the initial idea was scrapped for what we have now

[sullen hare]

https://tenor.com/view/nobodys-coming-for-us-eric-cartman-stan-marsh-kyle-broflovski-south-park-gif-20603533

[rose burrow]

does anyone know if the eyes of the eagle ring enchant stacks, there doesnt seem to be any restriction on raidbots so I assume yes? just curious

[fossil forge]

Guys the blackpowder buff is comming soon…

Calma

[arctic abyss]

What is changing

[plush roost]

Black powder??????!?! I hardly know'er!

[fossil forge]

We summoned the black powder monk

[sullen hare]

Who gets neglected longer: rogues or mistweaver

[swift tinsel]

mistweaver not using their apex is funny

[jaunty heath]

i saw multiple mistweavers in raid

[sullen hare]

Mistweaver, who can't even zone into m+ with 4pc or it breaks half their talents

[jaunty heath]

i think they are fine

[arctic abyss]

Mythic +. What’s that 🙂

[sullen hare]

It's that thing you do when you're farming declines

[arctic abyss]

Yep

[jaunty heath]

poor souls

[arctic abyss]

Literally sat trying for 10s all day 🙁

[pure yacht]

Welcome to rogue. Been playing this since WoD came out. You don't have a brez, you don't bring lust, and your raid buff is a DR which no one cares about because it doesn't make their numbers go big boom- so enjoy the rejections simulator. Or just go out to the bars in your local town if you dont want the simulation

[fossil forge]

You bring the vibes bro

👊

[marble sierra]

i befriended a tank, im living the good life

[fiery fog]

personally for m+ id rather bring numbing poison

[swift tinsel]

I just do vault keys on rogue and everything else is voidman city

[fossil forge]

i am playing 3 rogues this tier

Masochism peak

I love torture

[swift tinsel]

I don't enjoy rogue enough atm to do that lol

[fossil forge]

I am not comfortable with raiding mythic with anything else tbh

[fiery fog]

i kinda like the gameplay loop of rogue atm
the only thing i dont like is how we are either full single target or full aoe
cleave is not an option

[warm marlin]

i think if you were comfortable with old sub you can reasonably learn a lot of wow specs

[swift tinsel]

am stuck on rogue for raid, was almost allowed to main swap

[warm marlin]

most of them are very easy to pick up

[fossil forge]

I loved tww sub

Ts was peak

[jaunty heath]

i play ret more now

kinda fun

[warm marlin]

ye it was peak

[swift tinsel]

so it'll be raid logging and enough keys to get at least 2x myth slots in vault

[fossil forge]

i will forever think About shadowstepping into dimmy 💔

[fossil forge]

This might be true im just lazy to learn someting new

[swift tinsel]

but idk the more I've played all three specs and more time spent playing other classes I just enjoy the others more

[warm marlin]

df2 spriest, df3 havoc, tww1 enh, tww2 arcane, tww3 fdk all bangers

i usually get into one in depth a season

[fossil forge]

• is there any good melee rn

[swift tinsel]

uhdk

[jaunty heath]

ryldd tell me one thing

[swift tinsel]

but they're loosely melee lol

[jaunty heath]

mighty bingus

[fossil forge]

Unholy is ranged no?

[warm marlin]

[swift tinsel]

with the exception of festering strike/scythe

[jaunty heath]

if you fuckup your second dance

[swift tinsel]

ye 95% ranged lol

[jaunty heath]

you just press SS again to keep supercharge for sectech

[plush roost]

Ye

[warm marlin]

its ok to press it again for apex

[swift tinsel]

clawing shadows baseline, coil, putrefy, soul reaper iirc is range (it is not)

[warm marlin]

ive hit strike 3 times in a row when i really fucked up

sometimes we are down bad

[fiery fog]

the next sht proc surely procs next gcd

[fossil forge]

Its like i know Exactly What u mean HAHA

Brain go brr auto dance

[plush roost]

Maybe thats why it wants u to play 850 haste

[warm marlin]

ye sim knows i am stupid

[plush roost]

"This guy striked 3 times in a row just reduce his sec tec cdr icba"

[warm marlin]

i will note that when I played with shaman my blades windows were almost entirely scripted

[plush roost]

Yeah windfury vs no windfury strikes again

[warm marlin]

always ran out of sht/cp right before second dance

[fiery fog]

shamans are a rogues best friend

[warm marlin]

into dance/storm, strike for apex, evis, strike for apex, sectec

this was consistent and best outcome

you just saturate sht already so that your gcds always line up in that way

[shy ferry]

do we think they are going to fix SD not benefitting from macro'd on use haste? or we just have to live like this forever?

[swift tinsel]

its possible

[jaunty heath]

whonever making roster should be your best friend this season 😄

[fossil forge]

Its a feature now

Definitely

[fiery fog]

even if they do they wont tell us and do it secretly

[swift tinsel]

will remain to be seen how important they think it is

to fix

[shy ferry]

classic

[swift tinsel]

as is usually the case

[plush roost]

Iirc realz says its a lot harder than he hoped to have it fixed

But its being looked at

Maybe we have a surprise on tuesday!

[warm marlin]

im giving them my best

[fossil forge]

Bro recrafted all gear for this

[jaunty heath]

parses 1
😄

[shy ferry]

that would be great (for the trinket i dont have )

[fiery fog]

wouldnt that be a 100 if there is only 1 parse

(which would be yours?)

[warm marlin]

nah its comparing to the only public log

and loktark beat me on overall

boss damage tho!

[fiery fog]

xd

[warm marlin]

we up tremendous

[shy ferry]

literally the worst on that fight

and also the best

[fossil forge]

Is law good for dragons

[jaunty heath]

how you know those stuff

[alpine wraith]

better than most tanks

[plush roost]

Outlaw is just bettwr

Smodge

Number bigger

Do NOT look at boss dam

[warm marlin]

sub does most orb damage by a lot if you hold but you int your boss dps (i think if I had a myth dagger and played sub my boss dps would be better than my law if i played for it)
assa does most boss damage by a lot
outlaw is a mix

[hollow spear]

If they fix that guidon cringe

[warm marlin]

oh and they all suck

reroll ranged

[hollow spear]

imma be happy forrealz

[vale pine]

wrong spec

[jaunty heath]

where you guys get this insside info tho

[lilac stag]

I’d be happy if realz did something useful

[fossil forge]

Orb damage might be needed

[swift tinsel]

I think I'm just annoyed with all things rogue atm lol

[plush roost]

Someone credible mentioned it i cant remember

[jaunty heath]

sure

[warm marlin]

he said it in exiles chat

[fiery fog]

next week there will be fixes for sure

[jaunty heath]

i see

[plush roost]

Ah there see

[swift tinsel]

[plush roost]

Someone credible! Realzy!

[jaunty heath]

yeah i know exile speak with him

i mean exile is not happy with situation for sure

but what can even blizz do

[plush roost]

I dont think anyone is xd

[swift tinsel]

wym

what can blizz do

[chrome palm]

I think blizz can do quite a bit here xdd

[jaunty heath]

there is nothing blizz can do, its raid design which dont favor melee

[swift tinsel]

lmfao right

[plush roost]

?

[swift tinsel]

they..designed the raid

[chrome palm]

That’s a separate issue

[lilac stag]

yeah they’ve never adjusted fight that were awful for melee

[chrome palm]

From hasted dance

[lilac stag]

NEVER

[jaunty heath]

well yes but raid is out

[silent dune]

subble tea

[warm marlin]

give atro a 1.5% damage amp as well

[jaunty heath]

it cant be fixed during raid

[warm marlin]

all of a sudden you play rogue

[jaunty heath]

true

[lilac stag]

They’ve done it before

[jaunty heath]

but again thats not something you do mit raid

mid

[alpine wraith]

they killed dust mid raid

[warm marlin]

hotfixes are only for dks

[alpine wraith]

they can do whatever they want

[lilac stag]

literally flopping a range fight into a melee fight

[alpine wraith]

they just wont

[jaunty heath]

i said it many times, we need tune our raid buff if it suppose to be considered one

[swift tinsel]

its just worse devo aura

[plush roost]

You could literally make a precise cuts like effect for any of the specs and instantly you slot them on these fights

Its a 2-3 target raid where thats rogues weakness

Eliminate the weakness, wow rogue is good

[swift tinsel]

would honestly be a really really welcomed change

[warm marlin]

just revert nimble flurry

[alpine wraith]

you know what would help 2-5 cleave

[warm marlin]

like it wouldn't make the spec op

[alpine wraith]

not being nerfed by 20%

the week before

[fiery fog]

just make atrophic poison debuff the boss so it cant parry

[chrome palm]

Nimble that only cleaves to 2 targets idk

[fiery fog]

every melee will be happy

[jaunty heath]

would it help tho, they dont play any melee beside those who they need

like 2-3 meelee per raid

[warm marlin]

you know that my sub sim gains like 15% damage from a second target

[jaunty heath]

and ret is there for buff only

[warm marlin]

my devourer gains 50%

[plush roost]

Secondary flurry

[fossil forge]

Old nimble would go hard on paladins

[warm marlin]

my MM gains over 100%

[chrome palm]

Mm and sub are clearly on the same level which is why neither were tuned recently

[swift tinsel]

old fdk cleave scenario

[jaunty heath]

that cleave nerf st buff before raid was like WTF momemnt for sure

[fiery fog]

most random change

[warm marlin]

nimble revert would move sub on paladins from dead last to like middle

also you wouldn't be completely reliant on having coup up for low target burst cleave

[jaunty heath]

this is likely my last season so it hit me actually pretty hard not play mythic raid for first time

[fiery fog]

[chrome palm]

At least you had manaforge

[swift tinsel]

I should have made that my last sub tier lol

[jaunty heath]

i had lot of good raids, i play since wotlk, its my bad in the end

[manic ice]

about how big of an overall increase is 4pc in M+

[prime beacon]

how are people using Light Company Guidon? I'm just pressing it, and then immediately pressing Shadow Blades, and assuming that's enough time

[wispy pebble]

is there any big difference between DS and Trickster aüart from trickster entering CD with as many cp as possible?

[lilac stag]

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[potent frigate]

Is somebody using elvui buff bars? If so, how do you freaking get them to stop showing all the unimportant stuff and just show the class stuff and such

[arctic abyss]

Unitframes /auras

[potent frigate]

yeah, that I know. But even after I filtered alot of stuff, it still keeps showing me stuff like augment runes and boss atunement

[arctic abyss]

I’d have to be at my pc to walk ya thru it. Unfortunately I’m at work atm

[potent frigate]

hit me up once you're done lol. I've been at this for 2 hours and it still pisses me off

[arctic abyss]

If can’t figure it out msg me tonight after 6 cst

[fossil forge]

is this enough with oils

or do i need th,, flask

[potent frigate]

650'ish is the sweet spot accunting for latency

[fossil forge]

fuark

[hollow spear]

you have oils on?

[fossil forge]

yes

[potent frigate]

don't stress it. You will switch gear pieces in a bit

[lofty cypress]

quick question regarding rotation, on ST I hit points where i've got full combo points, no shadow tech stacks, and secret technique+shadow dance is coming off CD in 4/5 seconds, which is better usually, dumping combo points into evis and taking the extra globals to rebuild 6 combo points, or holding to use ST+SD right away.

[fossil forge]

if i use my 90 myth crest to upgrade my wrists from raid ill get it

but i think wasting crests on wrist is not it

[fiery fog]

if youre sure you cant build up to 6+ cp in 5seconds just backstab

[meager coyote]

Yo so what difference does it make on chimerus mythic whether I'm in group 1 or 2?

[lofty cypress]

yeah energy wise i don't tend to be able to build back up to 6 combo points in the time, so send backstab till it comes back, sorted. It's not an issue in AoE because one storm usually gets enough points by itself.

[vale osprey]

I need a giga brainer to tell me if we actually care about 684 or if I can drop some and be fine at 650 hmmm

[mossy spruce]

Not having any form of representation in media (RWF) feels terrible, I never feel seen. It makes me insecure about my sexuality (i want to reroll to hunter). I wish an executive (blizzard) would stand up for us (rogues) and make us seen in some form of medium (rwf)

[grim vessel]

Being unseen is class fantasy

[meager coyote]

This, why is this?

[fiery fog]

because your cds dont allign

on group 2 you have blades ready for the big add

on group 1 you do nothing

besides a sectec maybe

[digital frigate]

whats the recommended drop for shiv

[worthy escarp]

On opener do you guys fish for apex proc ?

[vale pine]

its the first time in a while you saw no rogue in the wfr, tho i wouldn't bring sexuality into the conversaiton

hunter is an hard to explain outliner

tuning feels sloppy this season, but thats a general feeling about the game

[mossy spruce]

I'm just realizing how spoiled we've been, it's so weird watching perfecto's stream

He's there, at the venue, just grinding +10s

[restive sun]

I will continue to play rogue because I am a masochist and I enjoy the pain, numbers be damned.

[silk fiber]

I beg to be in group 2 because my burst rotation is still 3 or 4 seconds left when you get slammed

[crystal bone]

surely we perform better in march of quel

[arctic abyss]

Naaa

[meager coyote]

Sweet

[lucid jackal]

It's possible

[chrome palm]

its not possible to perform worse than not being brought at all

[crystal bone]

is the bird fight pure ST?

[chrome palm]

no

there are some adds

1-2 at a time

[crystal bone]

hmm

[chrome palm]

theyre a small part of the fight

at least on testing

[swift tinsel]

definitely feel this way as well

[chrome palm]

those kinds of adds are actually the only thing sub is good at

[dapper stirrup]

On burst, when do we use the second shadow dance?

[sharp bison]

what could be causing ancient art proc to not be showing up around my character?

[eager latch]

is the crucible trinket better than a hero track alnseer?

[lucid jackal]

I think ppl need to be aware of the fact that subs blades burst isn't what it used to be

[dusky yacht]

Guys I reserved alnseer in guild but like loads of people need it, because I was assas, however, I respecced to sub yesterday and doing way more DPS already even with lower parses and inexperience

Should I change my reserve to guidon?

[lucid jackal]

Like assa and sub burst very similar amounts

Kinda just depends on timers now

[dusky yacht]

Well yeah but assas burst is 2min or 1min cooldowns, with sub I can burst every 10 seconds or so

(Don't shoot me idk the exact amount of seconds)

[vale osprey]

This is a strange system

[jaunty heath]

smile

im not competitive for 6 key enough

[fossil forge]

mastery pot + oil bismillah

[hollow spear]

Living on the edge

[fossil forge]

no misinputs

[hollow spear]

Always send coup before dance

[south sedge]

during dance is forcing aa on coup any good?

[fossil forge]

th,, tech

[rotund urchin]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[fossil forge]

nah but this haste ting so crRRRInge

delete coup delay..

[warm marlin]

has anyone had success in pugging first 2 mythic

wondering if its a worthwhile endeavour for the young split alt going to be thrown to the wolves of M chim next week

[swift tinsel]

I applied for a handful but was declined lol

[warm marlin]

i can get in just having doubts that pugs can actually kill vorasius

maybe easier if most of them are sending H crests

[open moss]

Hi Guys , which one should i take?

[winged shore]

tier if you are getting set bonus

the neck proc is actually quite bad

like less than half a percent damage. better than nothing but don't go out of your way for it

[swift tinsel]

ye neck is good for big haste injection, the cantrip effect is meh at best

[winged shore]

last dugeon i did it only 343k damage

.2%

[swift tinsel]

0.1% of my overall usually lol

in keys

[winged shore]

I'm going to craft myth neck next week prob

[swift tinsel]

ever so slightly better in st lol

[open moss]

so i should go for the Set Piece

[hazy breach]

Yeah its a singletarget proc

So its obviously not gonna be massive in aoe

Just like the 2p ring set

[winged shore]

yeah there really aren't any good m+ necks so I figure if I craft myth that will be bis until I can get one of these myth

lot of vers on m+ stuff

[cold citrus]

tier 100%

[open moss]

OKay , thanks

[open moss]

Dont you wanna prepot ? So the SB macro is kinda meh?

[hazy breach]

Prepot is not a thing no

Pots have a 5 minute cooldown

[dusky yacht]

Yo this trinket gives me -291 dps in sim when I would replace it with puzzlebox which I'm using currently

[hazy breach]

Regardless of when its used

[dusky yacht]

I'm ngl I'm so tempted to just switch them, the quality of life improvement is insane

[obsidian surge]

I ditched Puzzle Box too.

Hate to play with it.

[dusky yacht]

Cause like what are the odds I'm playing puzzle perfectly

[obsidian surge]

None

[winged shore]

there aren't any other good on use though besides guidon

[obsidian surge]

Guidon is also scuff

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I simmed the emberwing next to it aswell

[obsidian surge]

Double passive for me this tier.

[dusky yacht]

But it's just worse, I won't switch it for that

[obsidian surge]

I'll take the negative dps.

[celest drum]

Is using Silent storm procs worth in dance/in st?

[stray gyro]

I am trying to play Subletly. But I feel like it's very hard to not be energy capped in Shadow Dance?

[cold citrus]

just not in M+, box is too good in M+

[hazy breach]

Yeah its completely fine, wowanalyzer isnt updated

During dance you have infinite energy

[dusky yacht]

You have a point there, I simmed it for ST

Shit did you just destroy my dream of not having to use puzzle

[stray gyro]

All right, thanks!

[sullen hare]

we don't use wowanalyzer

[cold citrus]

yea, doubling your mastery on big aoe pulls is just too good

[real panther]

I don't care what math says, I do more dmg now we can transmog thunderfury over daggers

[dusky yacht]

How do I sim this correctly, m+ spec and Dungeon Slice or what?

[hazy breach]

Yeah but its also way way worse in small pulls

So overall i dont think theres a big difference

[celest drum]

Is using Silent storm procs worth in dance/in st?

[cold citrus]

hard disagree, but you do you

[hazy breach]

?

[cosmic prairie]

tbf it doesnt matter cause ur chosing betwen that node and 8% healing which also doesnt help u in st

[celest drum]

what about if im in AoE but im in dance

[native crag]

I dont understand how emberwing is simming 2k higher in m+ than guidon for me.

[robust olive]

Is there a macro to perform a kick without having the target selected?

[dusky yacht]

wtf

How

[hazy breach]

Dslice a bit eh

[cosmic prairie]

sims pepelaugh

[native crag]

I mean, it's 0 possibility. It aligns with sb and is a stronger on use.

[real panther]

/cast [@mouseover, harm] kick

[plush roost]

/cast [@focus, exists] Kick

[hazy breach]

Dslice tends to have a big pack around the 2 minute mark

[plush roost]

Or fatfrogs

[dusky yacht]

Bro wtf is going on

[robust olive]

ty :3

[real panther]

in fact it's /cast [@mouseover, harm][] kick

[real panther]

do the last i put

so if you have no mouseover it kicks your target

[drifting zinc]

Not me watching wowhead for the backdoor last day rogue buff 😅

[plush roost]

If they show up wont be for another 5 hrs most likely

[cosmic prairie]

do u just have really fucked stats or something

[paper helm]

Yeah EOD is when they would usually add if anything

[cosmic prairie]

lol

[dusky yacht]

I mean I came from assas, so maybe

[cold citrus]

box or guidon, those are the trinkets you use lol

[dusky yacht]

But I used dungeon slice to sim

Guildie is saying don't

[sullen bridge]

feather is decent isnt it?

[cold citrus]

probably, i wouldnt use it over a box in M+

[hazy breach]

Its like guidon except you only get to use it every other cd and it also has a downside

So not really

[cold citrus]

no box or guidon, yea use it

[hazy breach]

nah probably just stick with passives

[sullen bridge]

thats me 🙂

[paper helm]

[cold citrus]

it all depends on what you have

[dusky yacht]

I got

[cold citrus]

if you don't have a box, just farm aa, thats what i'd do

[dusky yacht]

This is the one that's -291 dps in ST compared to puzzle

[cosmic prairie]

lol

[dusky yacht]

So I'm willing to use that instead of puzzle

[paper helm]

Is the big mastery not sick for big pulls in m+

[cosmic prairie]

whats ur base shadow dance duration

[hazy breach]

It is

[cosmic prairie]

w 30% haste

[stuck tulip]

40%mastery kinda low

[cold citrus]

top 10 sub rogues in M+ all use box or guidon, do with that what you will. if box annoys you too much, don't use

[cosmic prairie]

nah hes offsetting mastery for longer dances

(accidentaly)

[paper helm]

Puzzy b gang

[dusky yacht]

I came from assas

[cosmic prairie]

HOVER DANCE SHOW ME WHAT IT SAYS

[dusky yacht]

Respecced yestereday so yeah

[stuck tulip]

i mean im 63% mastery 20% haste unbuffed so

[shrewd lantern]

if you're doing 10-12s likely more mastery better

since shit dies within the sectech coup

[cosmic prairie]

imagine if u dropped to 50% masteryt and 33% haste and had perma dance

what the

how are u 30% haste and only 7.5

😭

266

[dusky yacht]

I am not 30% haste

[cosmic prairie]

oh ur 20

[dusky yacht]

.

[cosmic prairie]

cooked

[stuck tulip]

glenn drop some crit and get mastery is what i would do

[dusky yacht]

I mean I'm trying to but not like I can order it on takeaway

[plush roost]

Mastery is king in aoe

Simple as

[dusky yacht]

Eh I'll just keep using box

I am mindfucking myself

[cold citrus]

box is v good, you'll get use to it

[plush roost]

Box is decent its better aoe and less.ST

Guidon is competitve

[cold citrus]

shadowstrike -> pop box & cds

[plush roost]

No other actives should be considered

[hazy breach]

Youll go quite heavy into DR with secondary pot+puzzlebox

[dusky yacht]

Thanks guys sorry for dealing with my attempted escape from the box

[plush roost]

(Assumung access to thoe 2)

[shrewd lantern]

im still using champ nexus rings

from m0

:)

[hazy breach]

Those are good

[plush roost]

Ill go heavily into mental DR if i guidon -> secondary pot one more time

[hazy breach]

[plush roost]

"Why is my dance 10 seconds long???... oh."

[hazy breach]

Fair enough

[shrewd lantern]

arent they technically better on st

[hazy breach]

Agility is noticeably better on ST

[shrewd lantern]

i meant for rings

[plush roost]

Strike damage go brrr

[hazy breach]

In huge aoe pulls the secondary one gets better (assuming you do mastery)

[plush roost]

Ye the rings are free damage

[shrewd lantern]

and one of the rings is already haste mast

[plush roost]

If u get them withour sacrifice

[cosmic prairie]

wouldnt there eventually come a point where being in shadow dance is better in aoe than have like 3s of downtime from it w x% mastery that's DR'd

[jaunty heath]

damn guys im in for king, any free tips 😄

[cosmic prairie]

?

[shrewd lantern]

i feel you dont sac much

besides some mastery for crit

which isnt a huge loss

[plush roost]

Sblades at 1:40, focus concentrated voids, fights free

[hazy breach]

Probably, but we aint there yet

Mastery just scales so hard in aoe because of potent powder

[shrewd lantern]

also not like i have enough hero crests to send rings above 266

ill get hero ones soon tm

[fossil forge]

10sec mewing?

[shrewd lantern]

me when i have my 3min cd set with puzzlebox

and the tank pulls 3 mobs

[white tapir]

Do we know what the pvp questline that awards a heroic ring/amulet looks like stat wise?

[dusky yacht]

Guys I jsut realised I can recraft my 285 dagger and bracers so they got mastery/haste

W?

[shrewd lantern]

breh i dont think it matters

as long as the other stat isnt vers

preferably

[dusky yacht]

But he said-

[shrewd lantern]

rings/neck swing secondaries the most

imo

i also still had pinks playing assa last ssn with a vers mast ring all season

really not a biggie

[dusky yacht]

Yeah you do got a point there, lucky I got one mastery ring at least

Still, gold is not an issue so I will get the recrafts anyway to try and fix things a li'l bit

[mortal skiff]

is there any difference to the cheaper one? it says 1% aswell

[shrewd lantern]

i guess maybe double mastery ring better in keys?

idk the nexus point ring set is still like 0.5% damage

for free

[hazy breach]

Yes, theyre 0.75% and 1.25%

[austere plank]

whats the command for haste thresholds?

[hazy breach]

Why do they round it to 1% for both of them? Who the fuck knows

[dusky yacht]

Blizzard moment

[mortal skiff]

ty <3

[hazy breach]

I mean you want haste from somewhere, might aswell get the free procs too

Unless youre going for the no haste angle

[smoky prawn]

does sub have any realistic funnel with shuriken -> evis?

[hazy breach]

Nop

You get full cp anyway from most finishers

But deathstalker has some

[shrewd lantern]

yeah its mostly i'd imagine you'd give up the crit haste one for like the mt ring?

idk if thats more aoe

better yet the paladins ring

[stiff stirrup]

is there a low haste build? just checking out the chinese rogues and they going full mast/crit with around 7-8% haste for m+ builds

[fossil forge]

is the nexus set bis

[stiff stirrup]

and running planned execution over warning signs

[fossil forge]

my clanker tells me to not wear it

[hollow spear]

Don't copy chinese builds

They're always cooking up some pretty extra stuff

[timid trellis]

on lightblinded vanguard

[hazy breach]

Its like +0.5% on big pulls

And -4% in lower pulls

[timid trellis]

do u do shruken , and blackpoweder or backstab

[stiff stirrup]

gotcha

[timid trellis]

evi

[hazy breach]

Its good yes

But you dont want to get more than ~700 haste

[fossil forge]

im 651

rn

with oils

[karmic harbor]

what's the site that shows how people use cds

for each boss

[fossil forge]

im running omission of light and bifurcation band

lorrgs

[fossil forge]

https://lorrgs.io/

[karmic harbor]

tyty

[limber folio]

any lads here in on Dragons

im standing in but idk if im just spamming BP

[odd jacinth]

im confused as why its doing Puzzle out of stealth since it breaks stealth and doesnt allow for a shad strike? is puzzle into stealth? then strike?

[vale pine]

yo can do it pre pull

but its fine if you do it after strike

[odd jacinth]

ok cool ty for the clarification

[naive zodiac]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sullen bridge]

should i use feather the same way i use guidon? before blades :/

[dusky yacht]

I always end up already in combat, I guess I should try and do it a bit sooner lmao

[timid trellis]

i get tank dmg on lightblinded vanguard hc , why ? , is it ramping or something

[valid tartan]

casting puzzle box and some creature pulls 1s early and its gg

[dusky yacht]

Time to waste vanish amiright

[vale pine]

that, or yell at your fellow raiders ^^

[cosmic prairie]

u will copy our chinese overlords and u will like it

[valid tartan]

always

[vale pine]

(or just use it after/with strike)

[dusky yacht]

"bloodlust on pull", me, an intellectual, solving a rubix cube during bloodlust:

[cosmic prairie]

me casting a spell 30yd from the boss

[barren haven]

U can solve rubix cube while u walk tho

[dusky yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1487567692931010621/puzzlebox.gif

[barren haven]

That’s me

[cosmic prairie]

https://i.imgur.com/X96E538.png

[swift zinc]

do you guys have a macro for pots bevor using. Shadowdance ?

[vale pine]

well its hasted iirc

so casts faster during lust

its not much, but well

[swift tinsel]

inb4 we get IQD back with DoS in s2

bc loa reasons

[dusky yacht]

You've saved me from my own inefficiency

That's my explanation

[swift zinc]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

if that dungeon comes back I'm sitting that out lol

[dusky yacht]

Oh god, another insane troll dungeon?

Please, Maisara is torture enough

[swift tinsel]

I could see them doing it and that scares me

the Alterac Valley of dungeons

[hazy breach]

Theres gonna be a troll patch next

Theres a whole ass fucking island to the east of zulaman thats surely getting used

[open depot]

be kind to my race

[swift tinsel]

ZA dungeon coming back would be fun

even ZG if they do the cata versions of both

I just do not want to ever run DoS again

[keen dome]

They could do an absolute incredible curveball

And the big zone is a forbidden reach thing for .7 with the lairboss raid they're adding

[split wagon]

Bring back Old Hillsbrad, escorts and fly-in included

[swift tinsel]

it 95% is that exact thing

[open moss]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[swift tinsel]

way too big to not be a Forbidden Reach/Korthia type deal

[keen dome]

Ye, so it could come with the lairboss and be .7 which would mean 12.1 would be something else

However, I'm hopeful but not super convinced simply because they would've probably told us that was what it was already

but who knows. It'd be a really interesting curveball

[swift tinsel]

could be an Undermine situation and just be the new zone

redone Gundrak could be cool, or DTK if they changed a bunch lol

ZF would be a hmge choice so hopefully not that

[swift zinc]

/use Potenzial des Lichts
#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=10 Schattentanz, Schattenklingen, Geheimtechnik

is this correct ?

bc its not working

[hollow spear]

it looks like something I wouldn't use

[swift tinsel]

actually minus the last boss transformation thing DTK would be kinda awesome

[hollow spear]

not sure what the point of that is

[swift tinsel]

lil tweak to novos

[undone cliff]

So noticed something today, seems I should read all of the guide. I’ve been slamming shadow dance on CD making sure to stop and save 2 uses for shadow blades. However, the wowhead guide says to only use dance when secret technique is ready or inside shadow blades.

Is it correct to sit on casts, if they come off cooldown until secret technique or shadow blades is ready? In between those I would just be doing backstabs and evis?

[swift zinc]

its pot and then shadowdance shadowblade secret tech

[hollow spear]

you don't need a castsequence for that

[dusky yacht]

Yes, that is correct, you wait for secret technique or hold both dance and sectec until blades is up

[hollow spear]

just write their casts underneath each other

[dusky yacht]

(If blades is closeby obviously)

[undone cliff]

Dang, I wonder how bad that has hurt my dps. Guess I’ll see next week. Thanks for verifying.

[tribal vortex]

The biggest DPS gain is by casting sec tec immediately when it's available. So if you have not be doing it you are losing a lot of dmg

[undone cliff]

It’s not macroed but I do slam that button pretty quick.

Should help if I practice saving my dances for either technique or blades and macro it in.

[dusky yacht]

There's a macro for sectec+dance in the wowhead guide it's really simple

I think it's great personally

This one

[hazy breach]

Since shadow dance has charges you lose literally nothing by not casting it immediately

As long as you do not sit on 2 charges its completely fine to delay

[dusky yacht]

I'm using sectec on cooldown and usually have 1 or near 1 charge at all times for dance, I don't think I lose anything like this

[undone cliff]

That’s why I asked, the guide says to not use on CD. I’m trying to find ways to improve. I might have delayed sec tec or cast it without a dance in accident by just sending it at all time.

[dusky yacht]

Yeah that's a big loss

Basically the "extra" dance is NOT worth it if you risk not getting sectec+dance together

[wet robin]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[undone cliff]

Im going to test saving it only to use in the two instances and see how it goes.

[dusky yacht]

I think you just taught me something

I wasn't using shadowdance twice in a row for blades

Big

Was wondering what the big mistake was I was making since I'm doing 96% of sim dps on target dummy 5 min

[undone cliff]

Oh there are several times I’ve messed that up for sure

[tribal vortex]

You won't overcap dances ever

Not possible

[dusky yacht]

Is the correct thing to do to dance twice during shadowblades tho vov?

[undone cliff]

I hate being very literal so when I read in the guide to don’t use it on CD and I have been I feel like a moron

[shrewd lantern]

without guidon you still rip a second dance in sb almost right away no?

[tribal vortex]

forget SD as a button mostly. Just press it when you cast ST

[shrewd lantern]

then you get a dance sectech after blades

shortly after

[tribal vortex]

Yes but without 4p or without guidon it is a it more complicated

but with both of these

!guidon

[wicked jolt]

Light Company Guidon (haste on use) Optimization:
When? - Only with the Season 1 4-set bonus and Guidon.
How? - Use your second Shadow Dance during Shadowblades with a delay. Means with roughly 2 seconds of the cooldown on Secret technique reminding.
Why? - The extra haste and Blades duration allow the use of a second supercharged Secret Technique.

[dusky yacht]

Aha, I don't have 4p yet so I shouldn't even try probably

[undone cliff]

And before sec tec, right?

[tribal vortex]

It is possible even without it (I don't have it either) but it is way easier with it

[tribal vortex]

together but yeah first SD then st

macro is the best way to do it

[dusky yacht]

Yeah so use this macro

For dances

Unless shadow blades is up then dance immediately after first dance

And then I assume wait until sectec+dance is up to use it again

[shrewd lantern]

without guidon pretty sure you still send your second sd shortly after first

in sb

[undone cliff]

I’m going to test with the following.

Blades+SD+tech
SD immediately after this first one ends.
Wait
SD+tech
Wait
Repeat.

No sure if that’s clear since I’m on my phone.

Does dance or blades get popped first? I ready it as dance first.

[shrewd lantern]

same time

[dusky yacht]

Well basically you blades and then sectec macro

[undone cliff]

Back to work 😔 thanks for the chat about this

[broken saffron]

Do we use black powder starting at 3 or 4 targets?😅

[tulip light]

2

[broken saffron]

Really?

XD

Damn...

[shadow lance]

Yes, if talented into BP talent

Forgot the name

[wintry heart]

Is it just best to wait a full second before hitting dance after I press guidon

[shadow lance]

Potent Powder, got it

[broken saffron]

Potent powder?

Oh yeah!!

[sullen bridge]

shouldnt Emberwing feather work the same way when its up?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[lyric zephyr]

can anyone help with the optimal talent build for lightblinded vanguard?

[faint quail]

in dance/blades we arent aa'ing all spenders just the supercharged right?

[sullen bridge]

se pinned info

[shrewd lantern]

you just play potent powder

[plush roost]

U can do one more sec tec if youre playing properly otherwise yeh may as well amp 2 sec tecs by 25%

[shrewd lantern]

still gonna be last on dps

[hushed roost]

i usually beat one of the tanks

[shrewd lantern]

tanks dont count

wrong reply

[hushed roost]

oh

[shrewd lantern]

Our higher tank did like 73k

idk how rogue only does like 70k on vanguard

[hushed roost]

yeah but you can beat the other

hell yeah

[shrewd lantern]

No it was like 105k

[hushed roost]

gg

[shrewd lantern]

didnt even get ilvl from keys yet

lol

[jade oasis]

who did that

[shrewd lantern]

well if you lose to a tank

[jade oasis]

that’s kinda crazy

[shrewd lantern]

idk i might hit like 272

on reset

depends if my raid vault doesnt int me

[jade oasis]

with shit gear and only 2 set i still did 105 on vanguard

[warm marlin]

if we hit in vault could go all the way to 276 i think

sandbag master

[jade oasis]

i hate yall bru

[shrewd lantern]

double 276 vault

we pray for the good drop

[west tide]

i pray for mythic chimaera trinket in vault

[jade oasis]

i haven’t gotten any upgrades in m+ in forever

[warm marlin]

279 gaze in my vault for sure

[jade oasis]

i keep getting

[west tide]

im tired of this rep trinket bro

[shrewd lantern]

[jade oasis]

duplicate s

[warm marlin]

[shrewd lantern]

279?

holy

you killed dragons already

[warm marlin]

ye

[barren haven]

In m+ is it intended to be at 5 shadow technique stacks between packs for min/max purposes oder r we just jumping in with ss and pop our sectech macro?

[warm marlin]

they arent really hard btw

just need a plan

[shrewd lantern]

well

[west tide]

did u do splits

[shrewd lantern]

we only went into them with 20 mins

[warm marlin]

no we are noob

[shrewd lantern]

on raid