subtlety

[icy mulch]

we're up so giga

[alpine wraith]

same with cloak

any cloak works

[keen dome]

Ye

[warm marlin]

bracers are haste crit as well

[alpine wraith]

belt is sus sadly

[keen dome]

I need a charge 'cos I got a nice cloak today from M+

[alpine wraith]

but we will eventually craft there

[keen dome]

Belt feels like a craft slot for embellishment

get the comfy belt to hold up our damage

[alpine wraith]

i crafted pants because they are way better than belt

but eventually that will change

[icy mulch]

what are you guys crafting next week

[alpine wraith]

depends

[lilac stag]

I finally got 4pc last light.

[chrome palm]

I might be making pants ngl

Call me crazy

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[keen dome]

A ring maybe? I legit don't know. I've not even made a belt yet.

[warm marlin]

are yall actually sending myth crests on crafts

[alpine wraith]

pants is a good craft or ring

[warm marlin]

other than dagg

[chrome palm]

Myth pants are kinda nice no?

[keen dome]

I will be but only after vault but I don't raid Mythic yet so the crests aren't as useful for me.

[alpine wraith]

depends i dont get many mythic items

[chrome palm]

Yeah lemme get the alleria pants real quick

[keen dome]

haha

[alpine wraith]

yea i dont think i kill alleria in like 1 or 2 weeks more

[warm marlin]

yeah they're good but what if you do get alleria from vault before windchime dies

[lilac stag]

Your loot council is giving rogue gear?

[warm marlin]

very sad!

[warm marlin]

i got tier chest but otherwise im just floating them idk

we havent hit a damage check yet

[icy mulch]

mine is hard coping on a big buff coming

[tribal blade]

not as sad as me ousting you from the group today

[chrome palm]

I could also get rid of my 246 bracer but

Not keen to put myth into that

[keen dome]

I'm still shocked I was 4th highest dps on my heroic Crown kill. But I think that's a statement on the quality of pugs more than anything else.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-aquabats-super-show-aquabats-ricky-fitness-reaction-gif-1757942115400722052

[alpine wraith]

yea my pvp engi wrist

[icy mulch]

are we getting a free heroic craft like previous tiers or was it not on beta?

[alpine wraith]

is like 100 dps ahea dof any 266

so yea

[warm marlin]

i just meant my crafting plan is to stick my 259 dagger in OH and my 259 bracers and save myth for real pieces

[tribal blade]

sub seems not bad on crown

[keen dome]

I'm assuming not 'cos they'd have to give us 80 crests instead of an item.

[warm marlin]

i am prob not gonna craft anything

[tribal blade]

not amazing, but playable

[keen dome]

Since it's raw crests now.

[chrome palm]

Did you drop a dagger?

[keen dome]

But they COULD give us 80 uncapped hero crests

[icy mulch]

oh true

[warm marlin]

no

[keen dome]

Ye

[warm marlin]

im sandbagging for vault/reclear

[chrome palm]

Ah

[tribal blade]

sub would probably be going turbo mode on crown if we still had old nimble

[warm marlin]

hence why im playing outlaw on dragons for now since i did get myth fist weapon

so its giga sandbag value

[keen dome]

Man if we still had old nimble we'd be the best dps in the game on so many fights imo

[chrome palm]

I see

[keen dome]

IMagine old nimble on jellyfish fight in Magisters

[warm marlin]

we bridge to getting dagger by using the outlaw weapon 🧠

[tribal blade]

that too

and paladins

[keen dome]

And dragons in the final cycle

[warm marlin]

it also sims like 10k higher on 2 target

so that helps

[lilac stag]

Sorry the real dagger spec got buff

[keen dome]

Survival. SURVIVAL!!!!

My nemesis. My foe. Move over mages.

[chrome palm]

Hunter has a raid buff that forces you to class stack on any council boss forever until the end of time

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/this-is-unacceptable/2281465 sorry to repost for the 3rd time

be the change you wish to see in the world

like this post

view it

empathize with ti

feel it

[keen dome]

I should make a post about posion toggle and raid buff (stolen idea).

[tribal blade]

the arms warr in my guild spammed a forum post he made in the arms channel and that probably helped them get changes

[alpine wraith]

time to get the pastas ready NA people

[tribal blade]

lol

[keen dome]

``` lol that's a good point

and kinda funny

Why don't we have an Antitoxin

[tribal blade]

i would absolutely lose my mind out of joy if blizz actually addressed all this

[lilac stag]

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),

[warm marlin]

rogue should have poison dispel and atro should be reverse druid buff

[keen dome]

i mean you got a mafic reply

[warm marlin]

it would still be worse than druid by virtue of being a debuff

[chrome palm]

Crimson vial should have a poison dispel on it obviously

[restive stream]

what my second craft should be?

[tribal blade]

LOL yes

[warm marlin]

and by being dr

[lilac stag]

Death knight

[warm marlin]

bracers/belt/somewhere nice to put your arcanoweave lining

[chrome palm]

I would also like the idea of shiv being concentrated atro for 10s

[tribal blade]

he got 0 upvotes

get wrecked

idiot

[keen dome]

i'm stupid: what do you mean by reverse druid buff. I.e., mark but it's an aura on enemies all the time?

[warm marlin]

ye as a scuffed aura mastery

is a good idea

[warm marlin]

legit just 3% dr 1.5% damage

instead of druid's 3% damage 1.5%dr

[keen dome]

Oh, yeah

That's a fantastic idea

[lilac stag]

You should check the maths

[keen dome]

Putting that idea right next to Fim's 3% crit. Either of those would be stellar

[lilac stag]

+crit dmg & reduced crit dmg taken.

[warm marlin]

poison dispel (targetable throw a vial at someone) + atro gets 1.5% damage + concentrated atro with shiv as a group dr like aura mastery + aoe kidney would make it a strong util class

[chrome palm]

DK not taken to last boss -> raids now redesigned to accommodate dk specific mechanic
Hunter not taken to last boss -> hunters mark reworked into being one of the strongest raid buffs
Rogue not taken to last boss -> ???

[lilac stag]

Rogue: Have you tried housing?

[naive hemlock]

imagine how the community would react if you would see 5 rogues like 5 mm hunters

the outrage

remember kj anyone

[chrome palm]

I am still losing my mind that cloak doesn’t work on half the mechanics in keys

[alpine wraith]

i actually dont remember last boss we had more than 3 rogues

[lilac stag]

Bfa

[alpine wraith]

was it really kj?

[chrome palm]

This fact about cloak in this rotation is driving me absolutely insane

[alpine wraith]

zul was not really a last boss but i guess it works yea

[lilac stag]

Shuriken combo 5 rogue stack

Vdh getting adds

[naive hemlock]

ah yes sub getting gutted like guts in beserk because of zul

a rogue doing some dmg? no it cant be

[keen dome]

Big fan

[naive hemlock]

moonking being low on dmg , lets make at least 10 clickbait videos

[lilac stag]

Just shut the discord down at this point.

[keen dome]

Nooooo way

[lilac stag]

We’re budget Ret’s anyways

[keen dome]

Nah we're cooler than them

[lilac stag]

Follow big bros lead

[meager coyote]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[naive hemlock]

the real question is , to fix a problem you must know it is a problem

does blizz know rogue needs tuning now

[chrome palm]

[warm marlin]

not you too scath...

[chrome palm]

They did it

[meager coyote]

rogue needs another rework

[lilac stag]

Tbh I just want it for the memes and wowhead comments

[keen dome]

Haha

[naive hemlock]

idk about rework but def needs tuning

[lilac stag]

Is that wrong?

[short radish]

it needs a rework

damage does not fix us

or it is a bandaid fix

[warm marlin]

rogue discord has a good rep

[short radish]

that will maybe last a season (it wont)

[meager coyote]

this haste scaling has to go it gives me brainworms

[warm marlin]

would suck to decimate it in one move

[short radish]

i've never wanted my class to be deleted more than this tier

[naive hemlock]

not just sub

all specs

[meager coyote]

idk how they looked at the outlaw haste scaling mechanic feedback and went "yep give it to sub as well" crazy it needs to be replaced for both specs

[lilac stag]

you know what sucks? An entire class to be dog shit to the point it’s not played at all

[warm marlin]

i can suffer the playstyle changes i just want my niches back

[keen dome]

Damage tuning is the worst thing Blizz could do to 'fix' this because it doesn't fix anything. We'll repeat this again and again. It has to be a substanial shift like Ryldd or Fim's raid buff ideas and utility.

That's how you solve this longer term by giving us actual utiltiy and group benefit.

[warm marlin]

being useless sucks

[naive hemlock]

what was that again

[warm marlin]

being tuning agnostic due to fundamental spec design was so nice

[keen dome]

Fim's idea was a +3% crit raid buff, and Ryldd's is the reverse mark of the wild on atro (So 3% DR 1.5% damage) as a buff. Both would go so, so far in fixing us and giving us a place and group benefit.

[naive hemlock]

"just slap them a 3% that will do "

whatever

[lilac stag]

We went from coping DS world get fixed to be usable in RWF, to being non-existent.

[keen dome]

Because damage and being good in raid is so flexible. We were very good last season because the fights were so good fo rus. Now we're bad because the fights are very bad for how Sub (and arguably rogue) is designed. But if you add in an additional raid buff we're brought regardless because we bring group benefit. Which we currently don't. Atro is very good, but it isn't enough on it's own.

[tribal blade]

it's so bad my RL was messing with me saying he was gonna sit me

luckily i'm not in a super competitive guild

[hazy walrus]

hey guys thinking of swapping from outlaw to sub, am I making a good choice and is the rotation complext 1-10?

[lilac stag]

With our roster size, and how much range we have available, I’m assuming I’m sat when we actually start mythic.

[lilac stag]

Swap the class, not the spec.

[tribal blade]

damn

[hazy walrus]

Ive a main rogue is my alt but I want to do keys and Im just not seeing it with Outlaw, I have seen sub do better but wanted to ask in here

[fading wedge]

./agree
really insane for pure dps class, have all 3 spec garbage, and not any usefull utility
this 'AI randomless' tuning by Blizzard is garbage as fuck since a long time but in 2k26 is really a big joke 😒

[tribal blade]

it's been a long time coming

[lilac stag]

if you’re doing weekly alt keys play what you enjoy most tbh. They each have little bit different strengths

[tribal blade]

just took this RWF for rogue to be completely sat for the entire community to actually start noticing

good thing is people are noticing now

[lilac stag]

@hazy walrus large tank pull size favors sub. Outlaw just consistently goes and is better at cleave. Assa has more priority.

[tall girder]

bout to level a devourer dh

its so over

[fading wedge]

yy i know, playing game and Rogue since Vanilla, but for all new extension, we hope change will be correct and we have worst all time, is so painfull :<

[hazy walrus]

thank you this info has been very helpful !

[hollow spear]

The upcoming raid will change everything

Two rogues at least

[keen dome]

sixteen rogues

[tribal blade]

not unless the dmg output on the boss is so insane you actually need double stacked atrophic to live

[hollow spear]

I was being a tad facetious

[lilac stag]

One on each side of the bench to keep it from flipping over

[fiery fog]

20 rogues with dance aggro swap and evasion tanking

[hollow spear]

True, 19 rogues dance and one doesn't

5head

[tribal blade]

hehe yeah i know 😉

[hollow spear]

But I have the hope that there will be one

[tribal blade]

i actually kind of hope there isn't

so the issue is still there

and blizz is more likely to address it

[hollow spear]

The top 3 will probably be so overgeared that it doesn't even matter what they bring

[tribal blade]

instead of "rogue on last boss, everything is fine"

[fading wedge]

maybe, we should close our discord, working for Ret rofl xD

[tribal blade]

yeah it's a big issue

max was saying normally they would have like 8 bosses worth of gear

and this time it's gonna be something like 100 bosses

[hollow spear]

If you unironically think that closing their discord helped I don't know what to tell you

[tribal blade]

of myth track gear

[keen dome]

now we're talking

[tribal blade]

how about a mechanic that can only be soaked by someone with a cheat

[hollow spear]

Ig it'll be the hour of truth for the "Blizzard doesn't tune around rwf"

[tribal blade]

surely they're just gonna giga tune it

they have to

and then massive nerfs after

[hollow spear]

Idk if they can

Tuning around 280 ilvl

That'd be so on the nose

[tribal blade]

this is actually kinda exciting

NOBODY knows what's gonna happen

[keen dome]

I'm very curious about how it'll be on heroic too

It's gonna be wild

[fiery fog]

i do but i cant tell you

[tribal blade]

nauuurrwww tell me

[lilac stag]

At this point I don’t want to see a rogue on last 2

[tribal blade]

let this be a rogueless tier

then we get memed on

then blizz maybe does something

[lilac stag]

Let it be an exclamation point

[tribal blade]

i agree

[short radish]

how much do we have to pay max to not put any rogues in

can we crowd fund this?

[lilac stag]

Emergency tuning monday. 3% aura

[tidal marsh]

[tribal blade]

i think he'll inevitably talk about it if it happens

after the race is over

[fading wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/black-6-gif-4051059761522886196

Emergency tuning

\o/

[tribal blade]

something along the lines of "damn rogues need something, because there was absolutely no reason to bring them this last race"

[jaunty heath]

Prophet are you dooming again

[tribal blade]

YES

for good reason i think

[lilac stag]

I’d fucking break if I put all that work in since launch to literally not see a single fight

[jaunty heath]

But the problem is bigger than rogue, they literary play no melee beside grip and paladin aura

[tribal blade]

that's a good point

[jaunty heath]

We dont play melee either

We have six total in my guild

And we play 3 and all ranged

[tribal blade]

my guild is a mid range CE guild

[short radish]

whenever it's a melee tier, there's always a healthy mix of ranged

[tribal blade]

not race to world last type

[short radish]

wheneveer its a ranged tiere, theres never any fucking melee

[tribal blade]

but mid

so my RL actually wants atrophic

[jaunty heath]

We are top 200 guild

[hollow spear]

I'm not afraid of the bench

[tribal blade]

atrophic is good in a mid guild

[hollow spear]

Paladins maybe

[lilac stag]

What a loser

[tribal blade]

lol ikr

we got people gray/green parsing heroic

[jaunty heath]

I prep 7 chars this season, I never put so much work and time in pre season and here im

[tribal blade]

so we need all the help we can get

[jaunty heath]

Just doing heroic

[lilac stag]

Trying to play on laptop with hotel wifi that was likely me

[tribal blade]

LOL

happy to see you got keys in though

tuning on 10s atm is good

very chill

[lilac stag]

I need to get more in tonight when I get home

[tribal blade]

very demure

[jaunty heath]

Keys are chill I like it

[lilac stag]

Hopefully not too tired

[tribal blade]

although the kick situation seems exactly the same as before

i think blizz lied

when they said they wanted to tone down kicks

[jaunty heath]

I really like that 10s are fairly easy and accessible.

[tribal blade]

yeah it's good

[short radish]

i think they did

but then some packs

they didnt

[lilac stag]

I was having panic attacks with no kicks available in seat lol

[tribal blade]

they definitely did for sure, a lot of casters don't spam cast

[jaunty heath]

Kick situation is good aswell, it force you to pull less in unorganised groups. Push group can still pull whole room into boss

[tribal blade]

but yeah

some are just turbo aids

[short radish]

there's also a lot less casters

pit is a good example

there's like 1 maybe 2 casters

[tribal blade]

pit is good yeah

nexus point is weird

AA ofc is bad in some parts

[jaunty heath]

I was doing couple weekly keys with some of our guild tittle players and they can still pull everything they can and control the pack

[lilac stag]

AA seemed mostly fine, we didn’t have enough for all the books

[tribal blade]

yeah a lot of kicks in that pull

[vagrant fulcrum]

honestly

can we just do away with raid buffs

[tribal blade]

makes sense yeah

[jaunty heath]

Tbh AA is the hardest pug dungoen isn't it

[tribal blade]

either everyone has one or nobody does IMO

[vagrant fulcrum]

so they can balance the game without mark / windfury just massively inflating certain classes

[tribal blade]

it's just hardest in general yeah

the last boss is crazy hard with bad players in AA

because you spawn so many of the things that shoot orbs

from people getting hit

[vagrant fulcrum]

at some point blizzard forgot what bring the player, not the class stood for

because of rwf

[tribal blade]

yeah it's sad

[vagrant fulcrum]

they're still stacking like it was legion

all it does is just HEAVILY limit raid spots for any melee not bringing a real raidbuff

[jaunty heath]

I basically finish gear farm in 50 keys, which is pretty cool. I remember it took me once 40 runs of halls for that trinket back in df 😄

[vagrant fulcrum]

Im frequently told "justifying a melee spot is difficult, you can't get ranged mechanics"

and with like 14 spots or w/e locked in

why would you bring someone on melee when ranged do better dps, have better target swapping AND do mechanics better

[jaunty heath]

Bring player not the class is getting harder better your guild is.

[tribal blade]

this happened to me today, the ret got the ring i needed for the 2 set

[vagrant fulcrum]

gz dude, also did you sim it?

[tribal blade]

oh i didn't get it

[vagrant fulcrum]

for me the ring set vs same ilvl non rings was like 0.2%ish

[tribal blade]

he took it

[vagrant fulcrum]

the ret

kekw

[tribal blade]

bounced out of the group

but nah i didnt sim it

it's just free dmg

[keen dome]

so rude

[vagrant fulcrum]

idk why they don't take auto-wings

if they cant remember to press their 1 cd

[tribal blade]

the reason question is

[jaunty heath]

I was doing some key with guild dk and he said im first one to gap him, i was like 150k+ in pit when he was like 130

[tribal blade]

if you don't realize you weren't pressing your main cd the entire key

how do you realize it the moment the key is over

i don't understand

[vagrant fulcrum]

it's not even one of those cds that isn't noticed, you glow brightly, your juddgment turns into hammer of wrath

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly

so i just don't get it

[jaunty heath]

Tbh im playing ret now too, and I was surprised they pressing wings manually again

[short radish]

@steel wyvern

😎

[jaunty heath]

They are going backwarda

[tribal blade]

and then watching this certified genius walk away with the ring i needed

after carrying his ass

[short radish]

dont look at boss damage

[tribal blade]

made me so angry

[vagrant fulcrum]

don't tell yourself that man

[jaunty heath]

Is it public log ?

[vagrant fulcrum]

you're just making yourself madge

[short radish]

yeah

[tribal blade]

haha true

[short radish]

im not a cringe private logger

[jaunty heath]

Can you share? Wanna check something

[short radish]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1CLTwWjzgPD8y4FM?fight=last&playermetric=bossdps

[jaunty heath]

Ty

[hollow spear]

Paddulvtr?

[tepid trellis]

what the helly is some o your guildies doing

[short radish]

I was told "we need to blast small adds"

so i blasted the small adds

[short radish]

i dunno, what ar ethey doing?

[grand galleon]

have they nerfed manaflux drop rate? I dropped like 3 day one and not one since yesterday (not capped)

[short radish]

no bad luck protection

its very rng

[finite hedge]

yeah I got 5 the first day and not once since

[sage grail]

hello. when is sd phase. should i choose shadowstrike or shuriken strom against 2-3 targets and why? i mean to generate cp

[tribal blade]

i've been spamming keys and getting the charges very very slowly

i might just be having very bad rng

[hollow spear]

It's crazy rng, I had a hot streak one day and then one for three days straight

[tall girder]

fim are u padding

[jaunty heath]

You still dont have guidon or you just not believer

[hollow spear]

But I think I have enough to do an entire mythic set

[short radish]

don't have

[short radish]

im ethically padding

I was told small adds need to die

[tall girder]

understandable

[grand galleon]

everybody says the same regarding the manaflkux.....that is why I believe the drop rate was stealth nerfed

[tall girder]

can u tell joel i say hi

[hollow spear]

Fim is ahead of the curve. Everyone fucks themselves over by trying to get the guidon timings while he's just chilling.

[short radish]

no he's upset because i fucked up and crafted hero belt

[tall girder]

sadge

ive got to build up a better rapport with joel one day

[tepid trellis]

just kinda looks like your guildies didn't actually look at what their classes need to do on that fight, MM, Fury, Devourer, should be able to just blow them sky high, but i guess it worked out in your favor. nice job

[short radish]

makes sense (don't look at pull count)

[jaunty heath]

Withnout gudion we are not getting second sectexh into blades withnout lust ?

[short radish]

idk no one was doing what thety should have been doing

[short radish]

i'm doing some really wack feelycraft

and delaying 2nd dance

so i can sectech with 2nd combo points

[fiery fog]

i havent been able to do it without guidon

[short radish]

it requires some weird half second delays

[tepid trellis]

even without guidon

you woul still delay it

[fiery fog]

you could send a sectec with like 1 second of blades left

it barely fits if you have like 700 haste

[tepid trellis]

and hey fim

atleast you get to be in the raid!

[short radish]

im stealing my raid spot on each boss

after vorasius "oh fimb pumps, okay guess he's in for saladbar"

[hollow spear]

I'm convinced I'm losing dps by using guidon

[short radish]

after saladbar "i guess we get fimb in for chimerus since he pumps"

[hollow spear]

Makes me panic

[short radish]

embrace the puzzlebox channel

[tepid trellis]

we are doing mythic splits

great fun

[short radish]

ive got some copium if it's a 5.5 min fight then puzzle box is better

[fiery fog]

puzzlebox vs 2 more backstabs

the pain of choice

[short radish]

[short radish]

guideon inc?

[tepid trellis]

puzzle would be the play if the cds line up with add spawns so you can blow them up

[short radish]

im not gonna get a guideon for like 5 weeks or something

[tepid trellis]

i have it on hc already

[short radish]

i delayed puzzle box for the amp every time

[tall girder]

fim u can have my mythic guidon when i get it

[jaunty heath]

Idk im kinda frustrated with guidon

[short radish]

cheers mate

[tall girder]

can u level my devourer dh for me

[jaunty heath]

Still not sure how i want to play my non bl blades

Only with bl everything lineup nice

[tall girder]

i want to P*sh key but no invite on rogue

[manic glen]

I'm having the same problem, i'm 2285 rating, 262 ilvl <Declined>

[fiery fog]

i believe the correct way is to just delay the second dance further for a supercharged sectec
but it feels kinda weird and im not really sure if its correct lmao

[tall girder]

im 3090 rating and id get declined from 10s

[short radish]

average rogue experience

[jaunty heath]

Same

We are not cool kids

[onyx flame]

i just have a note "10k gold to leader if i am not top dps" they get baited so easy

[fiery fog]

because by dancing without a sectec you need to use a third dance after blades for the sectec supercharge and then desync your charges
what happens is you wont have 2 dances for upcoming blades

[tall girder]

top overall every dungeon but no invite

[fiery fog]

but rogue doesnt bring any buffs for MY damage!

[onyx flame]

and its just padding

[short radish]

so much pad lmao

but theres a lot of trash

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dry plank]

I think we will get another aoe nerf, people complain about rogue gapping them in 10s overall

[short radish]

as is tradition

[vagrant fulcrum]

it's like previous ret just spamming divine storm

[short radish]

sub rogue will be overnerf'd

due to week 1 logs

[tall girder]

ive been beat by tanks on some pulls

[fiery fog]

i bear tank in my group once peaked 1.2 mil on algethar fist pull

[tall girder]

nerf rogue aoe

[vagrant fulcrum]

jesus

wasn't what they did to blade flurry and spatter enough

[lusty acorn]

Best gem ring socket for sub rogue?

[tall girder]

sim yo self

[lusty acorn]

?

[onyx flame]

sim it

[lusty acorn]

i dont understand

[tribal blade]

why can't we ever benefit from "blizz doesn't care/tune around M+"

[dry plank]

Dunno, it is funny, other classes can influence not only attention to their problems but also to rogue problems

It is ptsd from strang valley ganking in classic I guess 🙂

Everyone hates rogues

[tribal blade]

it does feel that way lol

rogues were the ultimate class back then

for sure

like actually god tier class

but it's been 20 years

[tulip light]

are we sure about the shadow damage neck from crown being bis? the two socket neck sims way better for me

[vale pine]

would say rather based on pre raid statistics

[tribal blade]

i think a lot of newer players and rogues don't realize how incredibly strong stealth was in the game back then

[vale pine]

subtlety did get nerfed because it seemed to be good in m0

[keen steppe]

m0 the content that matters :>

[vale pine]

and its still decent/good in keys, key levels are not that extreme still

but the nerf targeted raid specifically

its very easy to see how a big part of the raid is cleave

[tardy hornet]

why does china play sub in m+ anybody knows ? 🙂

[vale pine]

by targeting cleave/aoe

you directly nerf a spec

[tribal blade]

might have to do with haste values

[vale pine]

the dev team decided subtlety needed a substential nerf to cleave

[tribal blade]

china does things slightly differently to other regions

[vale pine]

and hasn't walked back on this decision, so it seems they agree with the nerf still

[tribal blade]

you'll see chinese players doing things that are blatantly wrong

but still topping

[tardy hornet]

yea but they still have their reason right ? 🙂 curious what is it

[tribal blade]

and then a lot of chinese players copy it

[tribal blade]

honestly no idea lol

and i'm in the region technically

i live in hong kong

[tepid trellis]

i have too much free time now that im not in

[vale pine]

means this is the desired "competitive" cleave damage we are suposed to do

[tribal blade]

i'm sorry owo

[tepid trellis]

its fine i get to do 1st boss mythic and chimaerus

[tribal blade]

huge!

[tepid trellis]

mythic splits batchest

[tribal blade]

wow good thing they nerfed nimble huh

[vale pine]

right

[tribal blade]

lol so degen

[alpine wraith]

not even 2nd boss mythic for daggers smh

[queen ibex]

Are you supposed to have 17% haste with Slice n Dice or without?

[alpine wraith]

700 haste rating

forget about %

[keen steppe]

i think they should buff mm hunter

[tepid trellis]

684+ stat rating

[vale pine]

MM not getting nerfed seems like a annomaly

its interessting

because we had discussions in this channel on why meta chasing exists

and my central point was that the "op" won't get nerfed

[tribal blade]

who knows why blizz lets some things stay OP

[tepid trellis]

tbf they just need to fix the "bug"

[tribal blade]

and quickly nerf others

[short radish]

more and more I feel justified in my theory of "blizzard devs hate rogue"

[eager yoke]

hey i've a question. i been watching some raid boss kill VODS, and they always happen to have 2 supercharged combo points before boss pull. but everytime i try to use shadow dance before boss is pulled to get the 2 combo points from supercharged talent it does not seem to work. any idea?

[warm marlin]

it's very typical, they can nerf before race starts so the m0 heroic week specs get owned (outlaw, fury, sub, etc.), race starts and omg casters are op again! but you can't nerf anymore because it would int race a bit

it is very weird that they didn't buff more aggressively this week though

[vale pine]

I don't think they hate rogue

rogue just seems to be handled like its one spec

not 3

[warm marlin]

revert nimble + sectec charges pls 🙂

[vale pine]

so most of the time, all specs are good

or all suck

which of the 2 happens depends on the tier

[short radish]

are there any other classes that are treated like that though?

[vale pine]

no

warlocks and mages are always good

[tidal solstice]

and dr00d

[vale pine]

hunter is the closest, but they got a lot of love lately

druid does not fall into the same category

of basically only filling one role

[tidal solstice]

ah pures

[viral wharf]

Sub get boring so fast now. Nothing to really track anymore

[tidal solstice]

yeah rogues only melee pure dps and shouldnt really be below the ranged pures

[short radish]

this is my point that devs hate rogue

hate is perhaps a strong word

dont care is more accurate

[tidal solstice]

they dont hate, they dont feel at all. there is zero passion for rogue

[short radish]

we had a good time from DF s3 till end of TWW

[tidal solstice]

the only rogue love weve seen for a while is valeera 😄

[eager yoke]

even when i use it regardless if boss is resetted

[short radish]

blessed realz

[warm marlin]

is it just not showing on your ui

because it is just as simple as press dance after res

2 free blue cp tada

[eager yoke]

maybe doesnt show on bcdm combo points?

ill try on default UI. can i try it in open world? or does it have to be in raid with boss reset?

[river coral]

can we go in both groups on mythic chimaerus like heroic?

[short radish]

like heroic?

[river coral]

yeh you soak first and cloak second, is there a reason not to do it on mythic?

[vocal narwhal]

anyone did tormented rise as sub here?
Struggle with valera taking aggro even tho i have her as healer

[cosmic dust]

If my dance/blades effect is about to expire, but damage from something like coup or sectec in the final instance doesn't "hit" until after it expires, is the damage that comes after the effect expires still amplified?

i hope this is understandable XD

[tribal blade]

dance gives you an enormous threat reduction

press dance and you'll instantly lose all aggro and they'll start smacking her

[vocal narwhal]

Hmmmm, how would i do this then x(

[vagrant sinew]

you sit on a dance charge almost whole encounter and toggle aggro on valeera when you run out of heal orbs / evasion on cd

theres alot of rng to it well I depending how geared you are

[vocal narwhal]

Damn, im kinda new to the class but isnt that like alot of damage loss

im 265

[vagrant sinew]

and on the intermission you can just tricks her

[steep raven]

Keep CDs for each intermission

[vagrant sinew]

but if you keep her tricksed whole fight shell die alot it can work but I found it better if I didnt do it

[tribal blade]

i ended up stalling going into intermissions to get blades back

[vocal narwhal]

ill do my best! Thanks boys and girls!

[brisk onyx]

holy i changed this shit

[alpine wraith]

wao

[hardy agate]

looking good

[alpine wraith]

how did you do that

[brisk onyx]

i find this addon and ask claude to help me

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/spelloverlay-enhanced

[jaunty heath]

There still could be tunning tommorow

[vale pine]

there could be yes

[jaunty heath]

Probably not

[brisk onyx]

This addon can provide some enhancements to the sepll alert (but lacks rogue )

[jaunty heath]

And there is cope rogue is decent in new raid

I was blasting first boss on ptr

There were some natty line up with adds

[vale pine]

i have no idea how the last boss is supposed to work tbh

so we will see

the phoenix

seems straight forward, tho i don't rly think rogue is specifically good on it

[short radish]

running theme of the expansion

[open depot]

I cope that we can cloak the color debuff and can soak all colors and take no damage

[summer peak]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[summer peak]

Just making sure for raid everyone is still Simming ST or is it bate?

Just got war banner and it’s simming .7% higher but with all the adds in the raid is this just bate?

[little tapir]

Guys wtf is wrong with rogue’s daggers

They’re ALWAYS breaking so fast

[vale pine]

notice that too

weapon durability goes down quite fast

[little tapir]

If i die like twice in a dungeon i know my daggers will break

[simple locust]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[alpine wraith]

we hit very fast now

[open depot]

We are haste bois now

[alpine wraith]

so they go through durability fast

[open depot]

Stabs a lot more

[alpine wraith]

we also got around 40% as more

[open depot]

We auto attack A LOT more

[alpine wraith]

from swift slasher and haste yea

[open depot]

Hunters have the same with rapid fire

[vagrant thorn]

guys.. what's your shuriken storm hotkey?

mine is Q and my wrist hurts in keys from the spam 😄

[open depot]

0

On my naga

Black powder on 8

One handed gaming

[tribal blade]

my MH dagger broke today during vex in AA

[alpine wraith]

im so glad im an engineer

so i can just pop jeeves or any of the other bots

[tribal blade]

i popped down a bot but couldn't interact with it for some reason

so i just put my OH in my MH

[alpine wraith]

reeves and others

[tribal blade]

and played with 1 dagger lol

[alpine wraith]

need to be out of combat

[tribal blade]

ahh

[alpine wraith]

auto hammer also works at worst

in combat

[tribal blade]

it's crazy how fast our daggers break

[hazy breach]

Yeah because we attack so stupidly fast

Honestly kinda needs an adjustment

[little tapir]

Is my ui gud

[hazy breach]

We went from having 65% increased attack speed to having like 180% during dance

[summer gate]

Yo mine are the same lol same
Mouse and bindings lol

[wise fulcrum]

I tried using the macro for shadowdance/Sec and it was using Sec first and Dance second? I've no idea why

Does anyone have a macro for the opener that works consistently?

[alpine wraith]

were you outside of melee

or do you have them in the right order

[wise fulcrum]

Not sure, but I copy/paste the macro right from the FAQ

[steep raven]

Does it look like this?

[alpine wraith]

do you have it outside and inside the stealth bar?

[short radish]

@tribal blade so close to a 3peat

[tribal blade]

NEXT TIME

[open depot]

Show boss dmg

[short radish]

holy shit

my boss damage is absolute garbage

[alpine wraith]

we dont talk about boss dmg

[short radish]

also puzzle box is an absolute garbage trinket for that fight

[alpine wraith]

that is for assa people to cope

[wise fulcrum]

yeah that's it. I could only tell it used Sec first because itwas on the logs

[alpine wraith]

we do damage

[short radish]

the timings are absolutely horrible

like 1- 2 seconds

because of the stupid channel

actually my boss damage is garbage because i swap big add

[wise fulcrum]

Oh well, I just need to mess with it more and see if it happens again. I don't know how to get my pot/trinket/blades/dance all done in the first second like other people are doing

[steep raven]

Well, mine doesn't do it. You might be pressing it before your Dance is up

[alpine wraith]

you didnt do the strat of making it stun on melee

and cleaving?

[short radish]

we tried

[wise fulcrum]

OH, that may have been it...

[rapid barn]

should I use coup of grace on cooldown or wait till i'm in shadow dance?

[steep raven]

omg how hard is it to get into +10 npx ffs

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫)

[hollow spear]

I've always got a bottle of champagne on ice to pop it when I get an invite

[steep raven]

I just want the damn portal

[hollow spear]

yo need a completion on 12 to get invited for a 10, you scrub

[weak vector]

its because your ilvl isnt 280

come on

[steep raven]

Look at these

[weak vector]

not good enough buddy

[steep raven]

aw shuks

[weak vector]

haha

but seriously, pugging keys is cancer

[leaden prairie]

does this apply to everyhting or just ss and bp (the crit damage 30% thing)

[weak vector]

i hit 2400 score and stopped

time to raid log

[open depot]

Really isn’t

[tribal blade]

just storm and BP

[weak vector]

every 12+ i've pugged is full of assholes

[open depot]

You just lack social skills

[weak vector]

and most fall apart because the tank dies

Ah yes, that must be it

high IQ answer

[open depot]

See? You are doing it again

We just met and you make a hostile environment

[leaden prairie]

im not quite sure i understand why we press storm here then instead of backstab, its just cuase its a 100% crit so its on average more damage?

[open depot]

This is why groups disband

[peak matrix]

Hi all, Should i be entering Shadow Dance with Max Combo Points?

[open depot]

For trickster, ja

[tribal blade]

it's because the dance>strike macro is bugged and incurs a ~0.2 sec delay between dance and strike when you hit it

[leaden prairie]

i know

[tribal blade]

using dance+storm macro is instant

[leaden prairie]

but dance backstab is also instant

isntit

[tribal blade]

storm does more dmg in dance than backstab

and yeah has silent storm buff too

100% crit

pretty sure +100% dmg on storm in dance but i can't find the spell anymore

[brisk onyx]

ye storm has lv2 that cause 100% more damage during dance

[steep raven]

@leaden prairie Not sure, but with crit and Clear the witnesses it might simply do more dam

[leaden prairie]

why, i missed a change i think

[tribal blade]

yeah they changed it in beta to make builder and finisher priorities less confusing on sub

because the whole strike no matter how many targets thing was cooking people's brains in TWW

[leaden prairie]

is it a talent

[fossil forge]

Ts was peak

[leaden prairie]

i cant find it

[tribal blade]

i'm not in the game right now

[brisk onyx]

you change to other specs and watch the sub's spell book

[rapid barn]

guys should I use coup of grace on cooldown or wait till i'm in shadow dance??

[tribal blade]

i can't remember where the spell is now

[brisk onyx]

storm has a lv2 spell

[tribal blade]

ah that must be it

[leaden prairie]

ok i see

when i press dance storm damage goes up

but its not written anywhere or what

[tribal blade]

so backstab in dance now is turbo banned

[tribal blade]

weird it doesn't show in game tooltip

[alpine wraith]

it is a hidden thing yea

like the WoD talents

[tribal blade]

that seems like an oversight

[alpine wraith]

evis got a rank 2 that increased dmg by 50%

[brisk onyx]

^ @leaden prairie

[leaden prairie]

im glad they made it less confusing

by

not writting it anywhere

[tribal blade]

TRUE lol

[leaden prairie]

i mean i can only see it when i press dance

[tribal blade]

can't be sub without things being hidden/unintuitive

[leaden prairie]

then storm tooltip goes up

but i mean

why is it not written anywehre

xd

this is silly

[brisk onyx]

ye

[tribal blade]

eyah last time i tried looking for it in game i thought i was high

coudln't find it

[brisk onyx]

[stark rose]

it`s DS talent

[ivory garnet]

What flask is better mastery or crt ?

[leaden prairie]

well thats another thing

[tribal blade]

that's just DS

the other is baseline

[leaden prairie]

which doesnt really help me

ye

[manic glen]

Guys he's asking too many questions, we need to take him out before he dives deeper

[fair phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w96Y3QBaXcMzyZfK?fight=5&type=damage-done this chinese take planned execution instead of warning signs, its worth?

[leaden prairie]

huge !

ah

i see why i couldnt find it

fuu wrote the tooltip

[steep raven]

There's no lvl2 talent for storm?
My storm damage changes as much as backstab

In trickster

[brisk onyx]

rogue is lack of care, this is just the tip of the iceberg

[steep raven]

wtf, never noticed the spelling mistake :D

[leaden prairie]

so is that real then

[steep raven]

How is this still in-game

[leaden prairie]

its not

well idk the damage dont exactly line up i guess

but it doesnt seem to be a 100% increase in dance

more like 15%

anyway ty guys

shit spec you play here

[brisk onyx]

i mean

it is

[steep raven]

in and out of stealth on trickster, if it gave 100% more dmg, it would be way higher

[brisk onyx]

xd

[leaden prairie]

where did you find that tho

also the tooltip damage is not x2 in stealth so

[brisk onyx]

i told, first you cange to other specs and watch sub's spell book xd

[leaden prairie]

xd

[brisk onyx]

you cant see it when you are a sub

idk why

[leaden prairie]

ok but

are you sure it works tho

the tooltiup clearly doesnt go up by 100%

maybe the damage does

idk

im back to outlaw now

[brisk onyx]

idk maybe

but i am a ds hater

[leaden prairie]

i have to play ds

on salbazar

[brisk onyx]

good luck

[leaden prairie]

why

it seems relatively easy

im sure i can first time it

[brisk onyx]

sure

[leaden prairie]

i made the macro so

its over

all minmaxes achieved

[coarse bronze]

why do you have to play ds

[leaden prairie]

because its better st

and i will not swap to orbs

[alpine wraith]

you can also do it the other way the known unseen blade

[leaden prairie]

so why not

[alpine wraith]

secret tech storm

tbh didnt think about the DN angle

[tribal blade]

just play trickster like a chad

all the homies hate DS

[leaden prairie]

its 3% less st

and in pure st why would i care

legit same

[weak vector]

but DS has a cooler class fantasy ):

[tribal blade]

lol true on both accounts

[steep raven]

You're gonna be the first DS that kills saladbar

[leaden prairie]

wait wthats true

why

am i missing something

[steep raven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3179&class=Rogue

[leaden prairie]

no one swaps to adds so

what am i missing

[steep raven]

No one likes DS

Can bug and you lose whole hero tree

[leaden prairie]

ah

[brisk onyx]

[leaden prairie]

i forgot about that

[brisk onyx]

ye

[weak vector]

[leaden prairie]

its a good argument

nvm

i will play trickster

[weak vector]

wait what

[steep raven]

Damn, that was easy

[leaden prairie]

i did forgot about that bro

my bad

i dont like ds anyway

:D

[steep raven]

Another successful convert into DS hater

[brisk onyx]

I had this happen on Vorasius and then became an idiot

[steep raven]

I member at the start of the tier, Exile decided to try DS on Heroic Alleria on day 1 and the only pull he did as DS mark dissapeared

[weak vector]

I wasnt aware there was such a bad bug with ds

[fleet wharf]

thats why we're getting redirect in the .5 patch

[wheat relic]

anyone has photo of how big upgrade is 2pc and 4pc, cant find it

or anyone knows roughly

[rose flume]

sry quick q do i prefer daggers even if the other weap is a big upgrade? just dinged

[fleet wharf]

20 sec redirect that costs energy

juicy

[steep raven]

There's nothing to redirect if it doesn't exist

[modest snow]

iirc, 2set 9%, 4set 13%

[dusky yacht]

Guys I'm making a spec coming from assassination, is it normal that I don't have any buttons to press wtf

[brisk onyx]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[junior lintel]

Yo guys! I constantly get higher sims with less than 600-700 haste and higher sims with around 550 haste - is this a bug and should i just strive to go get 18% haste?

[steep raven]

Dam, this question asked a lot. Prob should make a command for it

[brisk onyx]

This is a bit complicated to explain, but I think you can trust the recommendation of 650-700

[junior lintel]

arh, sorry man

[hollow spear]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[junior lintel]

I think i understand - its to get some headroom for an extra global no?

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[brisk onyx]

yes

[steep raven]

@junior lintel
Sim=Bot, no delay, perfect play.
You=Human(hopefully), ping, input delay, need room for any delay

[junior lintel]

Alright, thanks for explaining and sorry for asking the same question as everyone else😅

[open swan]

on the opener; cds dance sec tec / shadow strike / evis 100% coz ullhave the 4 superchated cps?

[steep raven]

Just make sure to have AA up for any supercharged finisher

[tribal blade]

you can aim for ~700 haste and then adjust your gear according to the stat your sim is hungry for

most people's sims right now want more crit

because a lot of people have hard stacked haste+mast

[exotic steeple]

what if aa doesnt proc for couple secs too long, do i just send dance,sq?

[steep raven]

You try to proc it only if you have 5 stacks of sth

[south kernel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[exotic steeple]

whats sth?

[exotic steeple]

ah okay

[steep raven]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[exotic steeple]

i read its like 1% overall dps loss if ignored

[steep raven]

I think so

[exotic steeple]

ty

[open swan]

on opening pull

should i do a couple shadow strikes before sending cds so i have ST?

otherwise you have to shadowstrike in the SD

post sectec

in raid

[vagrant thorn]

you got all abilities on the mouse?

[tribal blade]

nothing wrong with that

[steep raven]

@open swan You press another SS if you don't have apex up and you have >5 stacks of shadow techniques

Where the arrow is

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[steep raven]

And for every other Supercharged combo point you have

[rose flume]

tyty

[hollow spear]

The psychological trick to non-stop gear grind in M+ is having something else productive you should rather do

You won't stop queueing then

[tribal blade]

my guildies are making fun of me now

because i'm losing my mind over insanely bad rng loot from keys

[exotic steeple]

bring shame to guild

[tribal blade]

and i'm helping gear them faster than myself

by giving them stuff i don't need

[bleak night]

stand in city like npc

one of my guildies was playing prot for us in keys

and i swear he only didnt get loot in one dungeon

out of like 20

i immediately got more geared as soon as i stopped doing keys with him

[dusky yacht]

Guys what buffs do I actually need to keep track of in this spec

[red flame]

Shadow Techniques, Shadow Dance & Shadow Blades mostly

[red flame]

Gotta love those ppl fr

[half coral]

worth craft offhand with hero tokens?

[dusky yacht]

Shadow Techniques doesn't give a buff does it? I can't find it in the buff tracking list

[red flame]

It’s stacks but yes technically a buff

It should be in the CDM

[dusky yacht]

Ohh my bad I was confusing it with Secret Technique lmao

[short radish]

happens

sub rogue is terrible for names and abbreviations

like you should cast ss on the boss from stealth. you don't need to ss to the boss since ss will teleport you. also don't open with ss unless you are playing DS

[dusky yacht]

Yeah I'm trying to make a spec to try it out in our heroic raid tonight but man wtf is going on

Hmm prolly not gonna use it for tonight's raid I have no idea what I'm doing with this rotation

[onyx flame]

how much rating does a timed 13 key give?

[short radish]

about 380

[onyx flame]

ty

[barren stratus]

hello. question. When the apex talent triggers and shows those dark shades around the char. Is there anyway to make it more highlighted? I struggle to see it sometimes

[tulip light]

are there any special changes on the first 4 mythic bosses ( dragon + 3 spire) from rogue POV?

[exotic steeple]

nah still benched

[tulip light]

kek

[dawn hinge]

A question about haste on use optimization with 4set - macroing it was said to not be advised, but it seems to work when hitting the dummy? Also, do sims take into account this optimization because my lfr 250 trinket loses out against 2x 263 random proc trinkets which seems unlikely?

[dusky yacht]

So I wanna be using my cooldowns at the same time and it gives me this macro, so I wait for full combopoints then use Shadowdance, Shadowblades and secret technique all in one macro? And I showtooltip secret technique because otherwise I don't want to use dance?

[red flame]

Yes there is, I’m pretty sure it’s just setting spell opacity to max in settings or something like that

I remember reading it here but idr exactly how

[red flame]

Are you DS or Trick

SBlades + Trinket + Pot is one macro
SDance + SecTec is one macro

At least for Trick

[opal basalt]

crank this up to 100%

[red flame]

Ah cool I was close

[dusky yacht]

I'm trickster because I hate DS as assass, so don't think I will like it as sub

[red flame]

These are for Trick

[dusky yacht]

Ah okay

[red flame]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[dusky yacht]

This is not what is recommended in the wowhead guide

[red flame]

Also if you have Puzzle Box you need to send that before SBlades macro

& 2min trinks get used like 3min trinks

[dusky yacht]

Okay so I keep shadow blades seperate and include potion for raids/high keys

[red flame]

Ye

I actually have mine set up so in raid it pops Fleeting pots & if not in raid it uses reg pots

[lilac stag]

Each trinket is different in its use. There’s not a singular “macro” answer

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[dusky yacht]

Yeah that's fine I was just wondering about including shadow blades

I have puzzle box and the protocol one

So I have to do puzzle seperate anyway

Single target 5 min

ST 5 min

I think I'm making small mistakes cause the "free full combopoints" is so weird when you're coming from assas

Also haven't changed weapon enchants etc yet so that's prolly why my dps is lower than expected

I'm kinda already convinced this spec is way better than assas tho

Sure you're cooldown dependent but nowhere near as bad as assas

I'm only done dancing and feels like I'm already preparing to dance again

[soft summit]

Am I reading this wrong because it says it can be combined with shadow dance and sec tech

[sturdy zenith]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[paper glen]

How many % is 4p dmg boost?

[quick marlin]

13

[red flame]

14.7%

[dusky yacht]

Hahaha wtf and here I was thinking I was looking forward to assas 4p

[red flame]

Real

Sub 2pc & 4pc are the single biggest % gains across any class & spec

9% & 14%

[dusky yacht]

Also I'm at 53.5k/56k 5min dummy/5min sim, I got a question, why do I feel like I'm losing DPS when I'm using evis in shadow dance? Am I?

Or is my mind playing tricks

And is it normal that I'm permanently full energy

[open swan]

is vanguard fight just ss > bp when the three of them are grouped

[hollow spear]

Yes, outside of sectec and coup of course

[proud burrow]

Yes, and with Potent Powder (the talent that makes BP stronger) evis and BP are about equal on 2 target cleave.

[hollow spear]

The whole "competitive" and "relaxed" self-selection thing is also kinda hilarious for +10s

[open swan]

fight is lowkey confusing

[hollow spear]

I've had competitive runs taking 10 minutes longer than some relaxed groups

Competitively running it down, ig

[limber folio]

ive only had 1 issue

actual terrorist pulls

[hollow spear]

Were you the one doing the terrorizing? 🤨

[short radish]

competitive +13 seat where we phased into amp at 2:30

🙂

our DK was doing everything possible to try brick the key

[hollow spear]

How's that even possible?

[short radish]

including getting launched by a tentacle into another pack for 110% route

[exotic steeple]

yamete kudasai

[short radish]

[dusky yacht]

3 33:33

Illuminaughty confirmed

[thin sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/esquie-mon-ami-huh-calculating-gif-15072777769569231196

[hollow spear]

Me seeing a shaman/monk/warrior group in LFG:
Me seeing them ignoring me and inviting a random ass frost mage:

[open swan]

is this emo from oce

[short radish]

yeah

[limber folio]

what in the actual time

[short radish]

3

[limber folio]

3

[fossil forge]

any1 uploading raid sub povs

[limber folio]

i can probably do it

[hollow spear]

there's no mythic sub povs

[limber folio]

im raiding in an hour

[hollow spear]

they're all benched

[fossil forge]

damn

[limber folio]

im benched after vorasius

[short radish]

i can do my saladbar one. forgot to save my vorasius

[hollow spear]

[fossil forge]

would go crazy i have 0 idea how to play these fights

[hollow spear]

if you want to pad, you need fimbul's pov

:^)