subtlety

[exotic holly]

i have a buddy who spells it that way everytime...and i correct him...every....single...time

[shrewd lantern]

check how many people write queue as que

[exotic holly]

or loose as lose

[tropic field]

can anyone please explain how i gain additional combo points?

[void ocean]

its just q with 4 silent letters

[graceful rock]

k ill just make a separate macro that had s storm instead of sec tech for DS

[unreal wedge]

Change to outlaw and tell me how many times you're told that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1118789492447379496/1274226815283757199/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

[shrewd lantern]

Well yeah it's french so its naturally pretentious

/j

[jaunty heath]

That must be ragebait

[wild vine]

Is the answer never?

[unreal wedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/waheguru-minion

You got it!

[wild vine]

[unreal wedge]

I tried subtlety, and although I'm not keen on the playstyle, the dps made me wanna pass away

[void ocean]

what

[tropic field]

guys, when i use shadow dance i get a total of 9 combo points but somehow i get more other times, cant seem to find anything in the talent that explains why

[hazy breach]

Do you mean supercharger?

[tropic field]

yeah

[jaunty heath]

More cp more big boom

[tropic field]

yeah but what makes us gain additional beyond those 2?

[hazy breach]

Well its 3

[void ocean]

more dances, less finishers

[hazy breach]

The talent underneath

[tropic field]

i managed to get 4 once, no idea how

[hazy breach]

You pressed dance twice

Like you had 2 from before

And then danced again

[tropic field]

oh

is it worth or thats waste?

[hazy breach]

Its not worth to dance and then do nothing in combat no

[void ocean]

maybe in long prepull

[warm marlin]

don't worry guys, there's absolutely 0 damage check at all so you can afford to bring one of those literal sandbags into your raid group

[tropic field]

so basically if i get more than 2 supercharged im doing wrong?

[jaunty heath]

Maybe he feel bad for benching so many rogues in other guilds

🫡

[void ocean]

maybe he cant pronounce subtlety

[jaunty heath]

I can't either

[fiery fog]

ive gotten a similar message today xd

[silent geode]

hell yeah, feels great

[void ocean]

Pilav, is it u

[jaunty heath]

Im here still hoping for some tunning

[void ocean]

3% dmg on instant poison

[fiery fog]

+10% auto attack damage

[silent geode]

i vote bring back swiftblades cunning

[graceful osprey]

1% aura buff

[lucid jackal]

It's funny cuz fsy tried to run a rogue on paladin and then sat it

[swift tinsel]

we're decent at 95th hero stats so they won't touch us

[night smelt]

anyone got a platynator export string for me? 😄

[tight roost]

https://www.luxthos.com/interface-addon-profiles/

works the best for me

[whole willow]

Hoping for a little help/clarification. I was having a bit of trouble recreating it on dummies, but my Shadow Dance/Secret Technique became a bit desync'd in an M+ last night.

Is there every a scenario where you would Shadow Dance without SecTec up? Or just wait until they sync back up?

[silent geode]

yes during blades you SD twice

[short radish]

okay this was a 10 but holy shit raid buffs feel good

[brisk onyx]

[elfin hound]

is there a way to force raidbots for having 650+ haste?

[brisk onyx]

god comp

[short radish]

just need a DH tank (that dies in 2 seconds)

[brisk onyx]

[warm marlin]

hit 1M on first pull pit

[short radish]

how goes neck farming?

[warm marlin]

18 pits completed

[whole willow]

Got it! If blades is not up?

Or if I have 2 charges of SD and SecTec up, but no blades…do I send both of Blades won’t be up by the recharge time?

[warm marlin]

honestly overall pretty lucky m+ grind

[short radish]

notbad

gonna try for a puzzlebox as well?

[warped fox]

Im sitting here like how are these rogues doing so much in keys. Then i see theyre 15 ilvls higher than me, 4 tier, with mythic items and bis hero trinkets

And it all makes me feel a tiny bit better

[brazen meadow]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[short radish]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[short radish]

yeah im 270 with 4p crafted 285

wait when did the japanese one come out

[iron obsidian]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類) Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),

[warped fox]

No disrespect, it is extremely impressive for week 2. Ill get there eventually :p

[strange heath]

How do we use puzzle box with sub?

[iron obsidian]

check pins

[short radish]

yeah i've played like an absolute degen

[strange heath]

Nvm saw the pin

[short radish]

like 45 keys

[pseudo ether]

The mastery pot is better than the agi pot on aoe pulls right?

[short radish]

theres a mastery pot?

[pseudo ether]

I'm hitting 162% mastery lol

[livid gorge]

I have some questions about secondary stats. We want around 700 haste from I have found but all my sims are telling me to keep stacking more and more haste that doesnt seem right. Some insight would be much appreciated.

[onyx trail]

Anyone got a fancy Tricks macro to make it easier for start of M+? Having to change a name in macro every time is annoying

[pseudo ether]

You're not supposed to just spec the 1h Tricks? 😛

[silent geode]

nope, only during blades

[red flame]

why would you set the players name in the macro lmao

just use a mouseover macro & hover over their nameplate

or party frame

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/cast [@mouseover, help] [@focus, help] [@targettarget, help] Tricks of the Trade

[plucky pier]

No 10 yards extra on pickpocket is bis

[tribal blade]

guess who in this group got the nexus ring i needed

[near herald]

is trinket simming bugged?

[tribal blade]

what an absolute clown show

[red flame]

the ret pally obviously

[tribal blade]

of course

[red flame]

feelsbad man

[tribal blade]

swear to god

i'm gonna lose my shit

[red flame]

diabolical

its always the shitters who get the best gear drops fr

every time too

[tribal blade]

this group was miserable

[short radish]

i know he's being sarcastic but that grinds me fucking gears

[still depot]

you just gotta become the shitter in those keys. die 20 times. the games code is like this player needs help

[tribal blade]

constant wiping

because nobody kicking or ccing

[tribal blade]

i'm actually so mad right now

[pseudo ether]

I'm peaking 700k dps on 5 targets with the mastery pot lol

[tribal blade]

i keep getting cucked out of gear

[fallow ingot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fkHR1VwohD2Xf2fDuMbspa i got the juice this week lmao

[shrewd lantern]

hold on doesnt wings auto trigger

[red flame]

so real tho

[tribal blade]

carrying all these people and getting nothing

[short radish]

not anymore

well

depends if you take the talent

some don't

I do because mongo bongo

[shrewd lantern]

breh last time i played ret

i didnt read a single talent

still topped

[red flame]

Well yea I mean all you do is push the flashy buttons

That’s it

[whole willow]

Thanks!

[vapid light]

what are the thoughts on the sub changes?

[short radish]

what changes

[red flame]

fr

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

[vapid light]

so it's not a nerf like the YTers are screaming about?

[short radish]

bro what changes?

[autumn glade]

Did you think PvP tuning was for PvE?

[vapid light]

can't tell if serious..

[autumn glade]

Lmao

[short radish]

i am

[hard kraken]

Sub will now be using staves instead of daggers

[hazy breach]

Youre probably watching an old video

[short radish]

we do not know what changes you are talking about

[vapid light]

well yeah, I'm talking pvp

[short radish]

please share this info with the class

[hazy breach]

Oh pvp

[short radish]

#pvp

[red flame]

this is why context matters when asking instead of just "what do we think about the changes?"

[vapid light]

i understand there is a pvp chan

but.. this is also the sub channel

[vapid light]

fair

[red flame]

yes & nobody had any idea what you were referring to tho

bc no context

[short radish]

the spec channels are primarily pve related because there are about 17 people who acutally play pvp

[vapid light]

got it

[red flame]

out of the ~30 tops that even play Subtlety probably

[vapid light]

confused

[short radish]

making a joke that pvp is a relatively dead scene in wow

[vapid light]

got it

[tribal blade]

most PvErs actively despise pvp

[red flame]

i like the idea of pvp im just not great at it so i dislike it when im on the losing end

[tribal blade]

my brother actually put it best when he used to play this game

wow has such insanely huge differences between classes and specs

to the point where it's impossible to balance

for pvp

[short radish]

yeah but m+ doers are worse than pvp doers.

[tribal blade]

lol fair

[lilac stag]

Awesome

[jaunty leaf]

im terrible at pvp BUT it is fun when you pull off a cool play

nice lil dopamine hit

[red flame]

oh for sure 100%

[near herald]

is trinket sim bugged?

[jaunty leaf]

i believe i read that it was yesterday

[hazy breach]

Not really

[near herald]

why is feather wors then puzzle ?

butl light company better?

[hazy breach]

It makes sectech all desynced

If you only use it every other blades

[near herald]

oohh its cause of the cd

got it!

is puzzle better for m+?

[stoic flower]

ya only shadow blades is showing, but no shadow dance

puzzling decision

[frosty sinew]

it had shadow dance like a day ago

weird

[vernal drum]

hey

which enchant are the best for ring, crit % dmg

[cloud barn]

anyone elses use pot macro not working as intended?

[split shore]

works just fine

[onyx flame]

It does, if you use pots out of a cauldron they have a different name

[short radish]

#showtooltip
/use [combat]item:245898
/use [combat]item:245897
/use [combat]item:241308
/use [combat]item:241309

potion macro using fleeting r3 > fleeting r2 > r3> r2 for lights potential

#showtooltip Silvermoon Health Potion
/use [combat]item:241304
/use [combat]item:241305
likewise for hp potion
r3 > r2

@cloud barn

[cloud barn]

not sure what it was but its working now

i made no edits

it happened when i swapped it from fleeting to normal

[heady silo]

i need some help i keep runnin gout of energy and get stuck waiting

wat am i doin wrong

[hazy breach]

Is it happening inside shadow dance?

If no, then youre fine

[cold citrus]

don't spam backstab/shuriken right before you need to dance

[warm marlin]

liquid boys pull these 7s like psychos

good times

[exotic steeple]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[pine mirage]

is raidbot oversimming mastery?

@vale pine is there a custom line I can add when simming to add an extra 100 haste or something when running top gear?

[hazy breach]

set_custom_buff=extra_haste,stat_value=100_haste
You can add something like this inside the simc expert mode underneath the custom apl bit on raidbots

But like, that kinda defeats the purpose of doing the top gear sim to begin with, and gets you roughly the same results as just doing it without this and then swapping out a piece

[sour charm]

Why is the Subtlety Rogue BIS crafted item the belt instead of the wrist? Generally, shouldn't we craft on the slot with the lowest stat budget to minimize the ilvl loss?

[dense stream]

whhere do we sin

sim*

[split shore]

yes

[pine mirage]

"Why does my sim seem to stop at like 600-650 haste instead of 650-700 like the guides say?
Because you are (hopefully) a human playing the game on a server you are likely to have a few milliseconds of delay here and there, whereas the sim does not. Therefore its better to have some additional leeway that the robot does not need. "

Wouldn't this help balance the haste to account for the human factor?

Just my thought process but I am no sub expert.

[full spade]

The best way at end of season will prolly be

sim all 5 sockets empty

then just manually add in those sockets with haste to fill in your 50-100 haste

so the sim balances you to ~600 and you add what is comfortable

[brazen meadow]

Any known bugs for Deepening Shadows talent not working?

[sweet meteor]

For M+, do we send shadow blades regardless of pack size to keep it on cd?

Or should we unbind it from dance to use and hold for bosses

[median wraith]

i dont reall get the question tbh. but generally speaking u should try to send ur normal sb + 2 dances cd window on cd but it highly depends on keylvl, ur groups damage and such stuff

*really

[twilit gorge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk onyx]

i think "I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)" is (城市保安)

[brazen meadow]

Im having 6 second dances even with lust and guidon

[short radish]

thats probably a better one but i just want blizzard to delete us and end our torment

[warm marlin]

lust doesnt do anything and you need to dance up to 1s after guidon for it to update

[gilded ferry]

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),

[wanton sparrow]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[gentle sonnet]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[brazen stone]

whats the point of the coup powder macro? is that so when ur spammin fan powders, itll automatically just throw an evis in there? and can i just replace my powder bind with that or should i put it seperate

[zenith hollow]

Is the opener with guidon : ss>guidon>blades/pot/dance/sectech macro/ > normal dance rotation > WAIT until 2 secs left on sectech > dance>evis>sectech? Is that right and is it a significant gain over just sending 2nd sd after 1st one ends?

[wraith dawn]

With the dagger upgraded, are we supposed to upgrade our belt too?

[graceful rock]

probably dont wanna spend mythic crests on your 2nd craft yet

[twilit gorge]

you can fully replace it with the macro, you just want to keep in mind the downsides:

you need to be in melee range of your target to hit coup
sometimes you can save coup for a supercharge; this is harder to do with macro

in most(like 99% as long as you are in range) cases tho its fine to just have the macro

[brazen stone]

Ok good to know, tyvm

[lucid frost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint breach]

How so?

[uncut bloom]

Better to spend on mythic items like weapons/trinkets etc

[wintry heart]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[wintry heart]

Whoever made it so we can mute coldblood needs kissed on the mouth

[ivory orchid]

We still dooming or just memeing?

Also thanks for the guides and advice increased my parses from gray to some orange and purples

[warm marlin]

send help

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

im still farming aa

and nexus

[warm marlin]

the rng has been good for other dungeons

[soft garnet]

what are people using specifically for the blizzard cdm profile import?

just want to check

[shrewd lantern]

made my own

[radiant swift]

what neck u farming?

[warm marlin]

crit haste

[radiant swift]

damn - how much crit u running i feel like im overaaturated with how much pieces have crit

[warm marlin]

idk its the only neck from keys that doesnt have vers on it

[gleaming patrol]

Is gaze still good for us after nerf?

[warm marlin]

so its auto good

but my stats are like 670 crit 750 hast 750 mast rn (with flask and oils)

need to cut down on haste

recraft soon

[radiant swift]

true the renown one is only champ

good stats tho

[plush roost]

Wheres your alleria neck

[warm marlin]

missed splits this week due to work

[plush roost]

Oof

[lucid jackal]

Oh it's over

[round latch]

dont worry the saturated material will precipitate in the bottom creating some sediment

[warm marlin]

i think the best part is I had salhadaar neck in vault

took socket for long term gains

now im 30 pits deep

[plush roost]

Im still boxless

🙁

[warm marlin]

ya im not doing that

itll be outlaw on dragons

[wintry heart]

Whats the haste number I need is 675 above it?

[plush roost]

Im feelin assa on last 2 bosses idk

[wintry heart]

Im too lazy to search on wowhead

[warm marlin]

nop

damage amp on last guy

gg

every 90s for sure

every 20s even

for 2s

[naive zodiac]

every 2min 🥀

[plush roost]

Big if true

Idk beloran egg timers but i have just the strangest feeling were green for a tier

[radiant swift]

huh

[plush roost]

On a scale of 1 to "oh god please help me" how accurate is this image?

[warm marlin]

its a live feed of him on the bench

[steep raven]

The one time Exile flew to Liquid "LAN"

[naive zodiac]

this is the 3rd time bro

but also

🍿

i actually ate a bag of popcorn like 3 hours ago

[strange chasm]

Dw rogue will be good on last 2

😂

[steep raven]

[naive zodiac]

got to do my mythic split where i press black poweder 500x and pad on dragons

was a good time

[ivory orchid]

501 gets you off the bench

[short radish]

@warm marlin someone else got the neck :<

at least he's one of our mouth breathers

[warm marlin]

its ok run 31 is the one

[short radish]

and good for it

[umbral frost]

which combat potion is better? wowhead says primary stat potion but all my friends say the secondary stat potion is insane

[lunar bluff]

i have the neck js

exile watched me get it

[steep raven]

Just sim

[lunar bluff]

you have to do the key as outlaw to get it

[warm marlin]

at least 5 of those 31 are as outlaw

[lunar bluff]

need 6 or 7 tries

[warm marlin]

shakib is calling me back to watch me not get it more

[lunar bluff]

ryldd how do u sim for m+

as this spec

[warm marlin]

idk does anything really matter anymore

[short radish]

there are acutally 7 prisoners to be releaed in pit of sauron. the last one is yourself

[short radish]

just get haste to 700 and then acquire mastery

ignore sims use feels and vibes

😎

[lunar bluff]

W

[steep raven]

My character sim
Primary pot

[steep raven]

Secondary

[umbral frost]

ty

[quaint breach]

i dont really see top logs using double ss, what is the dps gain by doing it? and what is the dps loss if messing it up(like not having superchared)?

[steep raven]

You do that only for Supercharged CPs

A lot of times it just happens naturally, maybe that's why you don't see it

[warm marlin]

honestly the gear stuff isn't really dooming me. just had a lot of time in these 31 pits of saron to think about the long term health of the spec and things are quite doom. really doesnt feel like you have a niche anymore, your 90s are so weak in comparison (compared logs with some guildies and my 90 burst is worse than like 6 of the 13 other dps in raid), you have no flexibility in your cooldown usage so one of your main strengths in raid is gone. your low target cleave is actually terrible outside of specifically the first 3 gcds of dance every 20s that you don't really have control over (assuming you didn't mega lowroll into not having coup right after sectec, in which case your low target cleave even in those 3 gcds is bad)

[short radish]

yup the no niche is really really really fucking bad

our entire damage in m+ is pad damage

[shrewd lantern]

[plush roost]

Oh fuck youre in the mental gulag of saron

[shrewd lantern]

cant even hold too long

[plush roost]

Lore accurate hlmy shit

Saronite poisoning got you

[warm marlin]

your only strength atm is your st

which happens to be tuned well

[quaint breach]

yea the supercharged is where i've messed up, and used it with 5 stacks st only. Do you know how much of a loss that is? 2% 10% 50%?

[steep raven]

Why are you running Pit so much?

[plush roost]

Neck

[short radish]

we really fucking need either

2nd charge on sectech so we can have flexibility again
sectech casted only in sdance so we just use the flexibility on that instead

[warm marlin]

neck and bad luck

[steep raven]

I think 1% Trickster and 3% for DS

[warm marlin]

2nd charge on sectec helps a ton

i still think its pretty doomed without nimble revert

[short radish]

yah its symbols charge all over again

[warm marlin]

like if you look at the pulls you have coup ready for your burst on prio adds

[shrewd lantern]

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),

[steep raven]

Just wait for giga mastery neck from next week pvp quest :)

[warm marlin]

vs. the pulls you dont

[warm marlin]

i dont have time for that and its also goated for outlaw for mythic dragons tomorrow

so its 2x value

[shrewd lantern]

if its pvp neck it likely has mastery

lmao

ermm versa

[short radish]

its haste mastery

im just waiting for that

[shrewd lantern]

what the helly

i missed a week

[steep raven]

200+ mastery on it

[shrewd lantern]

joever

idk if the quest rolls

[warm marlin]

its ok

im mentally trained for this

[short radish]

HEAVY mastery

[warm marlin]

did 36 dbs week 1 of tww3

[short radish]

im pretty sure there's catch up

its just a staggered release

[shrewd lantern]

didnt expect that from a pvp neck

[steep raven]

It's gonna be 259 hero track with (hopefully) arena 289 scaling in pvp

[shrewd lantern]

nah that scaling is on the tooltip

only honor level kek

[steep raven]

That's datamined

[warm marlin]

again like the keys dont matter im dooming over my spec having no niche anymore

[steep raven]

Isn't sub pretty decent so far in keys?

[plush roost]

So far

[warm marlin]

meh idc about key tuning ill play whats fotm

its usually fun to learn something new

[plush roost]

It wont be good end game

[short radish]

yeah week 1 when we're at our strongest

all we do is pad damage

we'll fall right down again

as is tradition

[plush roost]

Pad is fine if a prio class is meta

[short radish]

unforch shaman is not meta

[steep raven]

We do good boss dmg? Our tree doesn't really change st to aoe much

[short radish]

or at least resto shaman isnt

[warm marlin]

it will just be dk mage something again

dk mage boomie

[plush roost]

Lol nah

[warm marlin]

let's be real

[plush roost]

Dk aug devour

[warm marlin]

or that

[plush roost]

Or devour mage dk

Or devour aug boomkin

Or devour ret aug

[short radish]

[warm marlin]

some combination of devour mage aug boomie dk

[shrewd lantern]

devour mage lock

[plush roost]

I think ret > dk

[steep raven]

Wtf happened to resto?

[short radish]

ret has more prio than sub rogue

[plush roost]

In keys

Ret profile is insane

[warm marlin]

doesnt ret have insane burst funnel now

execution sentence seems crazy

[short radish]

they merged execution sentence

to be both prio and aoe

[plush roost]

Ret is s2tww assa

[shrewd lantern]

layonmans coming out the woodwork

[steep raven]

Oh I'm retarded it's dps

[plush roost]

With boss dps

Its absurdly giga for keys now

Melee did the same prio damage as my assa rogue in a skyreach but aoed about 10% harder and ST about 5% more

And it has utility

[frail bone]

next week shadow going to be climbing that chart.

[short radish]

and DR 🙂

freedom is kinda big this tier as well

[steep raven]

Just wait, there's gonna be more changes and Rogue will get buffs before Tuesday

[short radish]

so much good stuff to freedom immune

first area seat

kidnappers in sauron

MT has root stuff

[shrewd lantern]

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而碎). M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫),

[steep raven]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[warm marlin]

im praying for a .5 mini rework

not gonna happen though

maybe 12.1

[short radish]

13.2.7

bro the entire system is on fire

you think they have the capacity to look at rogue?

[dire ravine]

Does taking potent powder change how we use evis, and BP @ 2t?

[short radish]

they're going to spending the next 2 months adjusting psychic link by 5% each week

[main jackal]

Someone post the psychic link graph

[short radish]

i can do one better

[main jackal]

Nvm I found it

[shrewd lantern]

man

its a good season to mess with devourer

[steep raven]

Add Evis to this and tinker the number so it's worth pressing Evis up to 3 targets and we have cleave.BP for 4+.
And make DS better for pure ST (as much as it stinks to play it)

[main jackal]

It’s a shame I find Sub so fun to play

I’m having a blast if I keep my meters off

[shrewd lantern]

this sub variant is kind of boring imo

its not aberrus bad but still

[main jackal]

Me likey still

[ornate lake]

No it's the most fun i have with sub since the shadowlands tier set. I love pushing more finishers than my builders.

[main jackal]

It helps that I find Assa so unbelievably horrendous so it’s like a normal child next to an ugly one

[shrewd lantern]

tww was better

and hell nah sl tier set almost made me delete my rogue

F that bonus

💀

i like spamming 4 dances in a row and having none of them feel impactful

!

[steep raven]

Do you remember SD in tww without Blades?

[shrewd lantern]

it was fine

[steep raven]

Our dmg profile was Mountain into lower than tank into mountain

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

that was good

[steep raven]

That's what we had, but it was 3 Dances

[shrewd lantern]

if i wanted flatline i'd play outlaw

[ornate lake]

Nah c'mon man, holding for 30 seconds only to be have the adds destroyed in 10 second by a fdk or pala is giga cringe and i hated that. Fluid back to back dances with very low downtine (just enought o pool shadow techniques) is actually good

[shrewd lantern]

nah you were the one exploding adds

9/10 times

[ornate lake]

nah you've never played with fdk or ret pala that season

[shrewd lantern]

im talking raid

minigame idrc most are ass anyway

actual worst part of key spam this week was storm bp spam

actual braindead shit

holyyyyy

[steep raven]

Yeah, SS>Evis spam was so smart

It's the same shit

[ornate lake]

still better than having evis spam on upto 7 targets

[shrewd lantern]

well more you had to pool damage

and think

compare to mongo hit a dance anytime a sectech was ready

[steep raven]

But we did that whole TWW anyways

[topaz pilot]

just play with a ret and enha and still be weird

[steep raven]

Wait for Sectec to dance

[shrewd lantern]

idk dance uptime is too high rn

if i wanted that i'd just play outlaw

[chrome totem]

Simcraft/Raidbots is not using the second shadow dance until 17 seconds in with shadow blades. There's no way that's right.

[steep raven]

So you want more time pressing Backstab once every 5 seconds?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

thats fine

when burst is high

[barren haven]

Yo Fam,

I searched for it in this chat but none of the recents questions got answered, so I try it again.

How do u guys track „the first dance“ expect in your buff bar?

Using ElvUI I tried a highlighted aura attached to my player frame, but this doesn’t work in keys / fights. Tried another addon (simple aura anythingy), but same story.

My eyes bleed tracking it among the other 67 buffs in my buff bar.
Any advice?

[steep raven]

Just ignore it? When it happens it happens

[dry plank]

You can’t

[topaz pilot]

Use your imagination and just assume you're dancing for the first time.

[dry plank]

Track it among 67 buffs 🙂

[barren haven]

I dunno … if it’s like 1 sec left before jumping into the next fight it seems worth it waiting, no?

[fiery summit]

Hire someone to stand behind you with a stopwatch and tell them to hit it when you drop combat and tell you when the time is up

[shrewd lantern]

and the fact you bp spam anytime theres more than 1 target

sub multitarget is the most brain afk shit

now

[short radish]

not end of the world

[topaz pilot]

bind a macro to stopwatch and press it everytime you get out of combat

[dry plank]

And who is not brain dead in aoe?

[short radish]

this is just a seethe and cope moment

welcome to sub rogue

[shrewd lantern]

comparatively

idk im prepping my netflix watchlist

for paladins bench

[barren haven]

Sometimes the timer starts 1-2 secs after leaving combat tho

[smoky bough]

do you have the coup the grace and black powder macro here?

[steep raven]

Try pvp, you might enjoy how bursty sub is rn. Every SD is impactful

[dry plank]

Convince RL that atro poison is imba on them 🙂

[shrewd lantern]

i already got my elite mog

last week

ill get enchant later

[short radish]

just link them the max post 🙂

[steep raven]

Go get elite while on the bench :)

[topaz pilot]

99% of the keys I've done this week I get like 2 restealths a dungeon between packs. so I just don't care and press w

[shrewd lantern]

nah i dont hate myself to go for that atm

[short radish]

this post was brought to you by big rogue

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think anyone is 2.4 shuffle

[steep raven]

It's chill, you can watch a tv show episode in between arena Q pops

[topaz pilot]

on the bench Graf? Just play the real game and build your house.

[shrewd lantern]

no i just win housing items over other people

then ss my room of items i won

to rub it in

[topaz pilot]

I have two people in my raid that fight over the mog, so I tell them each one I get is 50k.

[shrewd lantern]

what mog

[topaz pilot]

the house mog garbage

[shrewd lantern]

my house literally has a thing that dismounts people

who fly by

[topaz pilot]

I guess it's decor not mog, I'm old.

[shrewd lantern]

they might put me in for paladins anyway

since i dont die

[topaz pilot]

"gonna need you to cloak the next 3 applications of heal absorb, graf"

[shrewd lantern]

no i just feint

when i feel my bum being tickled

[topaz pilot]

it's proximity based, just move behind the boss pack 😄

or pay your MW to target you each time

[shrewd lantern]

i need to stop gapping people in 10 farm

gotta sandbag for buffs

!

[topaz pilot]

oh, just go sin

[shrewd lantern]

ok thats too far

[topaz pilot]

"My action bars are messing up again after that update"

[shrewd lantern]

realistically i dont even like envenom spam simulator

[raven maple]

I know its not necessary, but for my own personal preference, is there a way to track FW? I hate looking at my buffs on the top corner of screen

[topaz pilot]

you either spam BP, Envenom, or you fall far enough to only press PS/BtE

[steep raven]

Why are you tracking it? Does it impact your decision making?

[topaz pilot]

Doesn't it just reapply every SS?

[steep raven]

Literally anything you do in stealth

Uhm, I might be wrong

But it 100% procs of every SS

[raven maple]

Seems like its a chance thing if not in stealth

[steep raven]

Do you care about it outside Dance?

[shrewd lantern]

that no dance bp dam

[steep raven]

In Dance it's 100% uptime

[shrewd lantern]

go crazy

[topaz pilot]

Improved Backstab gives you FW on crit

\

[raven maple]

my biggest concern is when I go into a new pack with SB-> ST

unless I shadow strike in between

[shrewd lantern]

.....you have stealth

[topaz pilot]

fairly certain you SS before you ever do the rest of the rotation

[raven maple]

but thats a gcd

[shrewd lantern]

why would you not

[ornate lake]

Anyways, i need some tips gaymers. How do we handle the second sec technique inside the blades with 4P, without first dance active?

1> Send sec tech without supercharge (because the second comes up sooner than second sec technique, so until unless holding them to sync...)
2>Sync both by holding the second dance

[raven maple]

I could just use a finisher

make the most of the SB window

[topaz pilot]

just SS before you SB

[shrewd lantern]

you strike to tele into the pack

why are you overthinking ts

[topaz pilot]

ss>dps macro> rotation > pick pocket.

[steep raven]

Under CDs
Sync 2nd SD>Sectec under BL
Use 2nd Sectec on the 2nd supercharged CP without BL

With Trinket*

And 4p

[shrewd lantern]

you normally strike evis on gather to put snd up

then puzzlebox into cds

[ivory orchid]

finally the pbox

[raven maple]

Often times tank chain pull

[topaz pilot]

dont forget to pickpocket

if the tank chains, just press w

don't over think it.

[grand summit]

is it giga troll if I catalyze a champ piece for 2 pc

[topaz pilot]

its your $15, mate

[grand summit]

I mea yeah but like

effective is what im looking for

[steep raven]

You will have 3 catalysts on next reset if you haven't used any

[grand summit]

I havent used any

Got a hero one from vault and then nothing from raid

all tiers

[topaz pilot]

you don't know the "make your own normal and only invite non-leather users" tech?

[verbal kelp]

Am I crazy or we’re doing really good damage in m+? Always topping meters in 13-14 keys. Is this just pad damage, or is Sub rogue actually viable pick for title push?

[grand summit]

i guess not lol

[topaz pilot]

it's late enough in the week you could wait if you wanted

hate for you to use a charge and get a hero/myth version of the same one

[grand summit]

yeah

[topaz pilot]

but you'll be at 3 charges next week regardless.

[patent topaz]

Hey, im very insecure which Talents i should use on council in the new Raid. Sometimes they stack sometimes not. Do i go full AOE or Single Target?

[topaz pilot]

here is the top sub on vanguard

you make the decision

[steep raven]

-WM +PP and press BP on 2 target, laziest thing you can do. Still press SS even when they stacked as a builder

I assume you're not asking for Mythic

That idk

[patent topaz]

no heroic, tyvm

[topaz pilot]

on mythic you probably want single target prio with the way it's being done now.

[open depot]

All pad, no prio

[ornate lake]

So w/o lust we send an un-buffed sec tech in blades?

[verbal kelp]

Hopefully its good enough to push for title, don’t care about meta or having the highest possible score

[steep raven]

No you still do it, but on the 2nd supercharged CP

[ornate lake]

aah okay

[steep raven]

So SD>Evis>(SS*if not full CP)>Sectec

[soft garnet]

soz for asking, is there like a really good platynator import for m+ atm?

[steep raven]

Or you can do SD>fan(proc apex)>Evis>Sectec

[soft garnet]

my fellow rogues

[civic lava]

Jundies is quite nice

[topaz pilot]

jundies made a profile if you like his old one

[civic lava]

https://wago.io/zaiOOdVa1

[tropic field]

Wait you dont prioritize sec tec when u enter SD directly?

[steep raven]

What I wrote was for 2nd sectec inside Blades without BL

With 4p and trinket

[tropic field]

Oh

I only have 2p sadly

[topaz pilot]

I belive in you Duso.

[tropic field]

Next vault i will have 4p atleast

Aah so the extra duration makes it possible to use 2x sec tec in 1 SB?

[steep raven]

Yes

[ivory orchid]

cant wait thats pretty big

[steep raven]

But to maximize Dance time in blades you send Sectec on 2nd supercharge

[open depot]

If you wanna push for title, you should learn Assa DS

[tropic field]

Okey, cuz i usually start with SS and then directly use puzzlebox and then instantly SD + SB into sec tech

[topaz pilot]

I think they're still talking about 2nd sectec in blades no bl, btw

[tropic field]

Yeah, but if im doing wrong opener please tell me

[steep raven]

SS>Trinket(+brain lag)>SB+SD+Pot+Sectec>normal rotation

[tropic field]

Aah SB before dance?

[steep raven]

Doesn't matter they're pressed on the same milisecond

[topaz pilot]

you should get blades/dance/pot/sectec on the same macro

[grand summit]

i guess im going to catalyze a champ piece

and then die if I only roll same slot

[tropic field]

@topaz pilot wont that fuck up in normal rotation after?

[frosty bramble]

You get free cata charges when you do content after getting 4set so it’s worth getting it

[ornate lake]

when you finally get the 4P and guildion

[topaz pilot]

well, it's an "opener" keybind

[tropic field]

Ah okey, might aswell do it. Do you have one?

[steep raven]

This is mine for SB

[topaz pilot]

you thief!

[steep raven]

Prob should put pot before Sectec

[topaz pilot]

I pot after racial, but yeah, pretty much the same thing without the bottom 2

[tropic field]

Need to press it more than once?

[steep raven]

I'm an cheapskate :)

[topaz pilot]

if you lag, sure

[tropic field]

I dont but if i press it once it makes all those actions?

[topaz pilot]

I only put in the fleeting potion, lol.

[steep raven]

Oh you're even bigger one

[topaz pilot]

I always press it 3 times cause 'tism

[tropic field]

Haha okey

[dull creek]

Twas the tism m’lord

[topaz pilot]

I also play on 280ms

so.

[tropic field]

You guys got any nice tracker for when you enter SD and SB?

[topaz pilot]

do with that what you will

[tropic field]

Tried to fix the cd manager but it sucks

[steep raven]

If you want to be optimal you will have to have 5 Dance macros
Dance>Shuriken
Dance>Sectec
Dance>Evis
Dance>SB>Pot>Racial>Sectec
Normal Dance for whatever else reason

Personally using 3
Normal Dance
Dance>Sectec
Opener Dance

[topaz pilot]

mine looks like this

[tropic field]

Normal dance only whenever they dont line up?

[topaz pilot]

you need to pay attention to when your blades are coming back

[tropic field]

Yeah

[steep raven]

It should never not line up

[tropic field]

Yeah thats my biggest problem

[topaz pilot]

but you should always be getting them back at the same time if you're paying attention

[tropic field]

I need to have patience enough to line them up

But BL fucks it up, doesnt it?

[topaz pilot]

I just put them next to each other

[steep raven]

BL makes it better

[tropic field]

Oh god i thought i was doing god but clearly not hahah

Could you take a look at my logs and see if im conpletely off?

[steep raven]

link

[tropic field]

Completely*

[topaz pilot]

if you keep playing and focus on the timings, like on a dummy, you kinda just get used to it

[tropic field]

Yeah i should

[topaz pilot]

not sure what your ui looks like but you can kinda center everything with ellesemere's ui

[tropic field]

Sometimes it differs like 9 sec

[topaz pilot]

or you can get a great ui with atrocity's but that's a payment

[tropic field]

That must mean im completely off?

[topaz pilot]

not that ellesmere's isn't good

do you have the haste breakpoint?

[tropic field]

I think i have like 660 haste or something

[topaz pilot]

should be 18%

[tropic field]

Yeah

But sometimes it feels better to use SD when sec tech is off CD but that might be my brain lag

On cd**

[topaz pilot]

can get it like this

and then the next set will line up

[tropic field]

Yeah, think thats my biggest issue now. Im fast on pressing SD cuz i dont want it to not be on CD

[topaz pilot]

you wanna pool them when your SB is coming back

there are some guides in the faq

[steep raven]

You have to hold at some points during the fight anyways, no reason to smash CDs for no reason

[topaz pilot]

Making sure to always get 2 :ShadowDance:s during :ShadowBlades: by holding :ShadowDance: + :SecretTechnique: if :ShadowBlades: has less than 10 seconds left of its cooldown.

dont feel bad, I had to break that habit too

[tropic field]

Aah so its more worth to just wait

[topaz pilot]

yeah, if the pack is ending in a key and you know you'll get SD and ST back but your SB isn't coming up, you can send them

[tropic field]

Yeah on some bosses i have a habit of sending sec tech during transition

[topaz pilot]

that just takes time and getting used to the voice lines

[tropic field]

Like chimaerus, i think i always manage to send sec tech when he flies

[topaz pilot]

or you might need to move your timeline over into view so you can see when it's gonna transition

[steep raven]

Found a decent example of CDs off BL. (With 4p and trinket)
Also it's on Paladins (hc)

[tropic field]

Yeah i have some stuff to fix haha

Is that use trinket stronger than puzzlebox?

[steep raven]

Yes, in raid at least

[tropic field]

Oh i passed on it cuz i had puzzlebox lol

Have*

Btw i sent you my logs i dm

[steep raven]

There's a log command in this disc

[tropic field]

Oh didnt know

[steep raven]

exclamation log I think

[tropic field]

!log

[oak sorrel]

huh, top logs are dropping wm for finality on dragons

wonder if the other add bosses are like that

[tribal blade]

you're gonna do way more aoe with finality over WM

[steep raven]

Don't you drop WM for PP?Not finality

[tribal blade]

not necessarily

[steep raven]

It sims better for 2 target and it's for sure better on orbs

[tribal blade]

yeah it's better on cleave/aoe

but you lose ST not running WM

i would imagine people are running WM+PP dropping finality to get more boss dam

if you have enough orb dmg getting more boss dmg is beneficial

[steep raven]

Top WM+Finality, 2nd WM+PP, 3rd PP+Finality. This is on ST

2 target

PP+Finality is better when Dragons land

That's if you don't do any dmg to orbs

If you ignore orbs might aswell just go full ST and slam SS>Evis into 1 dragon whole fight

[daring marlin]

Ok now i hosted a group as +10 when i had a +2 key, we will see how it goes

[plush roost]

That is comedy

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[daring marlin]

they realized

i need 1 goon in my party to hostage 3 people i guess

[radiant swift]

hello good folks i have a quick question to apexing finishers - do i understand it right, that if sth expended to fill it will apex the builder but if not and used another time it will apex the finisher?

reason is i noticed in aoe with enough targets when u are empty on cp and u build with sstorm u get the apex

[keen dome]

I don't think I'd be mad if someone did that to me, I'd just blast the key because it's funny

[steep raven]

@radiant swift Press builder>if sth stacks are 5 or more>get Apex.
In aoe you overbuild with sstorm, so it procs pretty much on every press as long as you're at 5+ sth stacks

[radiant swift]

i see thats what i tought was happening but still felt weird

[steep raven]

sstorm gives you a CP for every hit, if 7 targets, you don't spend sth on builders so it procs apex a lot

[radiant swift]

yeah

[steep raven]

This makes it double

[radiant swift]

still weird how u proc one apex trough another

[short radish]

does mind numbing stack with curse of tongue?

[alpine wraith]

a bit but not fully

[smoky bough]

Does it make sense to craft two weapons? I feel like it is a bit unfair, that we have to spend 80 myth creats twice to upgrade two weapons fully in comparison to classes with 2h weapons. Am I missing something?

[short radish]

reckon worth running on chimmy?

[short radish]

no

OH is worthless

you will eventually use a myth track drop in your MH (+3 ilvl)

and your crafted weap 285 will be in your OH

[smoky bough]

Why is oh worthless?

[short radish]

because its just a stat stick

[smoky bough]

Okay, it doesn’t increase dps?

Despite from the stats

[verbal kelp]

Why Assa DS?

[midnight vault]

whats everyone crafting after weapon and belt???
im thinking bout necklace.. since there no decent ones from M+

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plush roost]

I think sub will be perfectly fine for title

Not r1 keys, but title

[fair phoenix]

i did weapon and wrists

i thjink i did wrong so

lol

[open depot]

Prio damage

[plush roost]

You'll also probably play Fatebound assa in like half the keys this season if youre playing assa methinks

[midnight vault]

i got the hero wrists so far from academy i think they are decent

[open depot]

With the new DS tech you gonna be able to pull off some insane damage

[plush roost]

As sub?

Im curious as to what "DS tech" may entail

[alpine wraith]

maybe he means assa because sub is cooked

[midnight vault]

subs doing realy fine tbh..

[plush roost]

I hope to be enlightened

[alpine wraith]

yea dmg is fine

[smoky estuary]

idk i've been ignoring the apex talent during dance and just spending and by the off chance I get a proc its just a bonus

[alpine wraith]

problem is everything else is not

[smoky estuary]

and my dps has increased instead of trying to to optimise

[midnight vault]

im topping meters atm with a DK breathing i my neck and a warlock/hunter on the hunt

[alpine wraith]

that seems nice

im regularly top 10

big

in the bosses im in

LUL

[plush roost]

Idt anyone argues sub is bad in keys, its just a damage source with no utility or niche

Likely to be drowned out by classes that bring stuff

[alpine wraith]

yea yday i wiped on spires 14 in the banshee pack

[plush roost]

Maybe 30 second aoe blind is enough but doubt

[alpine wraith]

because i could only interrupt and stun

[midnight vault]

M+ is all about the pulls and timing of the packs coming tbh.... with working your cds+trinkets use around it

[alpine wraith]

sometimes it is what it is

[plush roost]

Thing is that subs CD isnt very powerful so youre not playing around it intentionally outside of "i hold blades for 1 more dance"

Like i would never say "blades up this pack is deleted" like i would with Flag

[midnight vault]

or wait another 4 secs for ST to pop up with dance..

which sometimes feels a bit lame...

[alpine wraith]

nothing like seeing some specs doing 1 million dps

while i do 400k

pog

[plush roost]

Meh holding sec tec for 5 sec is w.e

[open depot]

Marked for death, so your DS mark is now moveable. It makes prio damage a lot more flexible. You can also snipe targets to continuously churn out darkest nights

[plush roost]

Oh i see the new button

[alpine wraith]

interesting as sub if we can snipe and get DN

to just do less dmg

[plush roost]

Sniping DNs for prio may be neat but idt its all that relevant to speeding up keys outside of niche scenarios

As assa its pog

As sub, meh

[open depot]

Yeppers, gonna be hard to tell until we see it more, but don’t think your wrong in saying that you can auto pilot Sub to title range

Yeah, it’s more for assa for sure

[olive canyon]

Above comment is mega accurate imo, we simply dont do anything the "best" i feel. I profiles arent the worst generally speaking - raid is a different story due to the fight design but even there in most guilds we can perform

[plush roost]

Id rather them make DN splash 40% aoe

For sub

[olive canyon]

just feels underwhelming

Sniping DNs could be solid but agreed, i dont think it solves our issues, i will maintain we are just missig a button

[open depot]

I’d rather they give us a new hero tree xd

[plush roost]

Ye that aint happening

[olive canyon]

i want them to tune or fix the bottom right hand side of our sub tree

assa feels good tbh

[open depot]

What is stopping majority of people who wanna push for title is community perception as they most likely will have to pug keys and not run with a consistent group

[plush roost]

Ye u can be 40io higher than someone last season and still be donowalled when youve timed the key

Pretty funny

Like if i can time 21 hoa with and enh sham then maybe you can skip the dk and take a rogue idk

[open depot]

Think more people need to get in the habit off finding a group to play with instead of this solo queue mentality

[plush roost]

"Wahh we need grip" just los 5head you didnt need grip in dragonflight

[alpine wraith]

i mean title has never been a problem with determined people

problem is you are competing with all the other specs/classes

so if you are pugging you will suffer

that is what i said on my last video rogue damage can be fine but if you want to push M+ best of luck

you will need it

or maybe make some good friends hey

[open depot]

People are allergic to making friends these days

[chrome palm]

I’ve had a few people tell me flat out they don’t invite rogues, in 20 keys

[alpine wraith]

i mean why would they you need something outside the things that people look for

[plush roost]

Ye networking op, the amount of times ive heard "i only invite 3 rogues and no others" is pretty xd

[alpine wraith]

yea be the guy they think oh rogue can be fine

[night sluice]

My issue with getting a ''team'' to play with is that I work shifts so the time of day I plays varies alot, hard to match with other people then

[alpine wraith]

the employed extra affix

[plush roost]

Idt you need a team at title range, you just need to make a good impression

[chrome palm]

I’ve had a few people mention you by name charrend you pug so much

[plush roost]

I think tww was some of the best rogue gameplay ever so i played a lot idk

S1 outlaw and assa s2 assa, s3 sub

[chrome palm]

Yeah I was playing a lot at the end there I wanted to get it in before the midnight butchery

[alpine wraith]

i mean it happens when you are good people do notice you

[plush roost]

S2 outlaw too actually but i never had time to play it

Pressing KS is such a rush man

Rip in piece

[night sluice]

yea assa is so gutted now, feels way too slow imo

sub is okay I think

[plush roost]

Yeah i think the entirety of NA lfg knows me

I yap a lot too

Helps a ton LOL

Getting in comms and bullshitting is actually such an insane buff to key success rate

Loosen vibes = better quality

[chrome palm]

I never play well when I talk a lot lol

[plush roost]

Ye, cant over do it ofc

But i get it, forrest also loses focus in comms

[chrome palm]

Honestly my no comm success rate is a lot higher

[plush roost]

The real beasts are like cheek and pres who just comm all stops and then also shitpost

Insane players

[chrome palm]

If people aren’t in vc they are often extremely focused

Sometimes people are awful at making calls out

Or get very panicky

I can think of a few by name lol

[plush roost]

Xd

[keen dome]

100%. It's true in text, too.

People are gonna be less likely to freak out over a mistake if you've been shitposting and chatting a bit

[plush roost]

So many PoSF20s where i say, me and tank on triangle, everyone else on whatever mark discuss amonfst yourselves order

Only to have silence into 3 people kicking my kicm

[keen dome]

Haha

Silence is so bad in keys

[chrome palm]

LOL

[keen dome]

Also raid, too. In pugging, having a raid where nobody is talking is so fucking bad

[chrome palm]

I think you can recall my priory experience 💀

[plush roost]

The fact that people relied on a fucking MRT note to pull the first boss in that dungeon honestly says it all

[keen dome]

That's wild. What was the note saying? kick order?

[plush roost]

Ye 4 kick roto on dunemal

[keen dome]

Damn

[chrome palm]

Bro the fucking dk/dh privilege on that boss, that made people think you could 3 kick it

Sorry I am a rogue chud with a 15s cd kick

[keen dome]

Haha

[chrome palm]

And I have to step into dogshit that tics my entire health to kick it if I’m 3rd

Fuck that boss lmao

[plush roost]

Nah thats the tanks fault tbh

U can keep boss on edge 24/7

[alpine wraith]

you can premove yea

if you know the width

[plush roost]

People get annoyed because "less space" but it makes baits more consistent

[chrome palm]

Sub was so fun in that place, doing 18 mil giga gapping everyone before first boss

[plush roost]

Rip priory love that key

[chrome palm]

So much more fun in s3 than s2

[plush roost]

The slower route was turbo for sub

[cosmic prairie]

is the ring set good or nah

[plush roost]

The route where u do the normal knight pull into going back and pulling the extra knight and skip shaynemail

1:30 dream

[plush roost]

Ye is good stats effect is extra damage

[cosmic prairie]

i was kinda hoping u were gunna say no cause no=w i have to farm tha shi

[chrome palm]

It might be too much haste if you have the cantrip neck

[keen dome]

Farming it is a pain though. Just let it come to you naturally

[chrome palm]

Im guessing you can craft around it

But droptimizer didn’t like that

[plush roost]

Ye u basically play 0 haste anywhere else

[olive canyon]

cinderbrew opening pull and priory opening pull were top tier

[plush roost]

If u run neck + bith rings

[keen dome]

Cinderbrew my beloved

the amount of comedy that first pull could cause

[olive canyon]

So much dmg

tbh that place felt pretty good

but watching people aim those charging guys away from my pack was the worst

starting making sure i was real carewith with deathmark and kb

[plush roost]

The best cinderbrew pull imo is the 8 taste testers 4 pyros hopgoblin lust inside ipa room

[keen dome]

Hah

[plush roost]

That shit went crazy

[olive canyon]

Hobgoblins running away is next level rage bait

[keen dome]

That was great in pugs. Where will they go, where will they stop, nobody knows.

I wonder what this seasons equiv will be, hm..

[chrome palm]

This was a really hard pull imo

[keen dome]

Birds on the final boss of Skyreach are really funny

[warm marlin]

lucky number 35

[olive canyon]

i dont like sky reach mobs but the dungeon feels quite easy overall

[plush roost]

Yea it was th probably the hardest pull of the season

[tribal blade]

how about watching your marked hobgoblin target charge halfway across the room because of a bad bait

[keen dome]

The first area is the hardest, imo. Then the pull up the stairs before final boss room

[olive canyon]

that is what im talking about @tribal blade

biggest rage bait

[tribal blade]

fuck DS

[keen dome]

But I've seen multiple people stand on the edge of final boss room and be murdered by a bird kidnapper

[olive canyon]

the platform before final boss

is spicey in SR

[keen dome]

Yeah

[olive canyon]

but we had deaths on a 14 and still timed so i feel the key is forgiving

[chrome palm]

Neck?

[plush roost]

Gulag sentence over?

[warm marlin]

ye

we are out of the gulag

[plush roost]

Happi days

[olive canyon]

watching yoda do a 17 magisters and it seems solid but i find healers really strugggle on that final boss

[chrome palm]

No war bound alleria neck

[warm marlin]

nop

[olive canyon]

that and second boss in maisara

[lilac stag]

anyone find the missing rogue tuning?

[keen dome]

Maisara seems to be one of the harder ones

[keen dome]

Yeah but I'm keeping it

[plush roost]

Right here

[keen dome]

It's all mine. I need it to pug.

And not be destroyed by an ele shaman doing 500k DPS

[chrome palm]

Outlaw emergency buff… 15%…

[lilac stag]

looks like a pvp nerf post

[plush roost]

Woah pal my dagger is crafted and dragons and salhadar didnt drop the MH slow down

If they drop after reclear then yes emergency buff!!!

[chrome palm]

Minimesser hasn’t crafted yet,,, it’s not over yet..

[keen dome]

I believe

Outlaw tier

[plush roost]

Charrote has done 4 10s and will stay there i cant cope and make that my new main

[lilac stag]

It’s joever

[chrome palm]

If my guild goes insano mode this week I will have missed the entirety of voidspire prog

[icy mulch]

[keen dome]

274?? huge, gigantic

[plush roost]

Has XD killed dragons?

[icy mulch]

mythic splits paying dividends

[keen dome]

share with the rest of us

Also damn that's a top tier avatar, Wimdy.

[plush roost]

Im not really following other guilds tbh

[chrome palm]

They did in 6 pull, it was 10% on pull 2 though

[icy mulch]

it was more relevant when outlaw was relevant

[chrome palm]

What a joke fight

[keen dome]

It should always be relevant

[plush roost]

Ye we tried 5 heal, then 4 heal kill boss in 3 pulls XD

[alpine wraith]

we are still in chima

[warm marlin]

soon i will rise like this

if i get something usable from vault im done hero crests next week i think by my math

[chrome palm]

Chimmy interrupts wiped us a lot sub was actually insane on that fight

[icy mulch]

sending all your crests at once

[chrome palm]

Super high horror damage or whatever the fear mob was

[warm marlin]

its gonna be dumping like 360 hero crests

[keen dome]

Huge

[icy mulch]

I did 300

next week the vorasious dagger goes to 489

[warm marlin]

i got the myth outlaw weapon but not the dagger

down tremendous

[alpine wraith]

damn my man playing in last titan

[icy mulch]

[plush roost]

271 with no mythic gear country girls make due

[alpine wraith]

i have 0 myth gear too unluck

im 267 still have noi luck on some slots in m+

zzzz

[icy mulch]

nobody wanted the vers heavy leather boe boots

insta said upgrade

[chrome palm]

I died on the first boss and was thus awarded a trinket

[alpine wraith]

you can cata those for better stats btw

[icy mulch]

ya I'm out of charges rn

[alpine wraith]

cata boots is mastery crit

[keen dome]

Nice

[icy mulch]

wait no i have one

[keen dome]

Man that's one big bonus of the new system, being able to just slam stuff like that