subtlety

[frail kindle]

i think its over now

[naive hemlock]

Rogue def needs tuning

[steel zinc]

numbers all 3 rogue specs are plain bad

[honest void]

bad?

[steel zinc]

like any argument that rogue is fine tuning wise is like cooked

[unreal ledge]

the only thing that matters is the numbers, what are you on about

[jaunty heath]

i still dont get why they tuned cleave down before raid started, thats only thing i dont understand

[uncut hinge]

m0 damage

unironically

[undone cliff]

Is there anyone willing to help me learn to review logs to get better.

[steel zinc]

our cleave is not good in 3-4 targets all 3 specs are st is passable middle of the pack our mass aoe is ok

We are not good at anything this tier m+ raid

Ok sub in pvp

[frail kindle]

i am actually genuinely surprised they didnt touch rogue at all like there is no shot the only changes they did was to nerf sub in pvp lol

actually time to doom now

[swift tinsel]

not even just sub but rogue period

[steel zinc]

join the doom its bad

[hazy breach]

Saying sub is bad in m+ is just a lie though

[warm marlin]

sub st is fine right

[uncut hinge]

I like the theory that this is AI and because no one brought any rogues the AI just didn't see rogue and so did not render any changes

[jaunty heath]

sub is decent in m+

[frosty sinew]

sub st is quite strong honestly

[timid trellis]

how do u use puzzle box opener in keys

[agile kernel]

its percieved as bad which has the same effect of it actually being bad

[honest void]

could be better but not dead or anything

[hazy breach]

Right before every other blades

[steel zinc]

you should actually play with people with hands or classes that actually do dmg

[iron obsidian]

shadowstrike the mobs and then press box

simple

[honest void]

ss then puzzle before sending

[iron obsidian]

and then go into pressing your buttons

[pastel geyser]

i mean its not bad, but its also not that good

[hazy breach]

You should go outside

[frail kindle]

you do the same damage

i mean im a doomer mainly for raid sub isnt bad in keys

[steel zinc]

I aint said bad in keys

[frail kindle]

like you burst less but the overall at the end of the key youll be like the same as everyone

[steel zinc]

I said its fine

[unreal ledge]

who cares about keys, the point is we suck in raid

[frail kindle]

yeah like who cares about keys ngl

[steel zinc]

ya

idk

[pastel geyser]

sub is b tier in keys. not anything to cheer about

[steel zinc]

raid is just pure doom. If you see a rogue on paladins fight in 3 weeks or now its activly trolling

[north garnet]

i think sub is pretty good

in keys

[frail kindle]

im usually one of the last people to doom im a rogue coper until i die but uh the fact that we didnt get touchred at all idk might be cooked

[steel zinc]

Its time to doom

[unreal ledge]

we are auto-sat in mythic raid, its not even a debate

[north garnet]

tho cleave is really really bad

[steel zinc]

all 3 specs have bad cleave

comapre to tww

[frail kindle]

i dont even think were that bad like rogue isnt absolutely DOGSHIT its just not good at all

like i was expecting or hoping for another 3-4%

[iron obsidian]

mapko, whens the last time you touched some grass?

[hollow compass]

yea im gearing a dh

[iron obsidian]

might be time to do it again

[hollow compass]

fuck this man

[woven ruin]

so whens the next tunning the 31st?

[zenith hollow]

another 3 to 4 % and you still lose to hunters

[jaunty heath]

sub is decent in keys but ppl will rather invite something esle

[steel zinc]

today

[warm marlin]

going out with a bang ripping the law on dragons

its gonna be sick

[swift tinsel]

get to watch prot paladin fold in half in keys still

[pastel geyser]

we're not going to see any tuning worth looking at until .5

[unreal ledge]

exactly this, there is no reason to bring us cause we dont do enuf dmg not to have bloodlust or battle rez

[uncut bloom]

Like anything else that has utility

[iron obsidian]

might be changes to the tuning before weekly reset, but then if not doubt therell be much more tuning until the .5 patch

[pastel geyser]

the like 10+ specs with utility and do more damage

[plush roost]

Guys dont worry

We can still get a surprise emergency update on monday

[vagrant sinew]

charrend are you playing paladins

[north garnet]

Was the new tunning pass announced?

[vagrant sinew]

[frail kindle]

actually true

[plush roost]

Just like bear

-20% evis damage!

[frail kindle]

nah blizzard has shown they might just buff or nerf your spec completely at random

EMERGENCY UNHOLY HOTFIX BUFF RED ALERT RED ALERT

maybe rogue gets it

[iron obsidian]

nah we wont

[frail kindle]

this is the last cope we have

the final cope

[iron obsidian]

we arent a dev class

[vagrant sinew]

dont worry man the unholy hotfix buff is probably here to stay evergreen

[iron obsidian]

uhdk, thats a dev class

[plush roost]

Its being discussed, depends how badly we need atrophic atp

[iron obsidian]

mage?

another dev class

[vagrant sinew]

I dont remember the last time a spec got just hotfix buffed outside of weekly reset

[pastel geyser]

pretty sure uhdk outdps rogue in every type of damage lol

[plush roost]

I told them its banned unless absolitely necessary

[gilded ferry]

Dude Guy on twitter is so funny

[hushed roost]

NO ROGUE CHANGES NICE

[tepid trellis]

Unholy dk

[stuck arrow]

I think they need to buff Aimed Shot's ST more, TBH. MM isn't gapping everyone else's boss damage enough yet.

[vestal relic]

want change ? cancel your sub its the only way something will change

[tepid trellis]

1 week ago

[vagrant sinew]

BEFORE THAT

[iron obsidian]

unholy dk like 3 weeks ago

lmao

[vagrant sinew]

you

fuck

[leaden prairie]

cancel your sub and start up your outlaw

[iron obsidian]

yo but how am i supposed to play sub if im not subbed

[vagrant sinew]

i type like guy you have to read both msgs

[gilded ferry]

RYLER HOWS THE REPS FARMS

[vagrant sinew]

its a disease

[frail kindle]

holy shit actual bangers

[tight roost]

Why no Rogues in World First are we that Bad 😅

[gilded ferry]

Yeah

[unreal ledge]

not a single reason to bring one

[vagrant sinew]

lol 9, 9, 10, 12 renown its a struggle!

[opaque valve]

nah, blizz are expecting wf guilds to bring 5 rogues each for march so they didn't give us any tuning this time around

they have the real data

[gilded ferry]

Did you get all of war within?

[hollow spear]

Blizzard will certainly change their balance philosophy if five disgruntled rogue players cancel their subscription

While we are talking about that, I have a bridge to sell you

[opaque valve]

we're a 5 button class yet they can't tune it properly

[zenith hollow]

when do we close the discord for buffs?

[tight roost]

Would love to See that but I think it will Never Happend, we arent Hunter or mage

[hollow spear]

5 buttons are just about enough to cover my dance macros

[tribal blade]

wtf is going on

how tf did rogue get 0 tuning

[hollow spear]

it's in the fine print

[plush roost]

Pvp nerfs get with it

[mighty citrus]

intern just forgot to post it

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna lose my shit

ok it's time for the forum post

[hushed roost]

https://tenor.com/view/bench-bench-boost-fpl-fantasy-premier-league-premier-league-gif-13213275529547627175

my pov for prog

[tribal blade]

i'll do that some time soon

[void ocean]

change this channel to rogue housing

[hollow spear]

Mafic mode: engaged

[wraith sphinx]

I called my blizzard dad who works at blizzard and he said don't worry we're getting insane buffs when turbo boost is back

[tribal blade]

i might tell that guy off if he replies trying to educate me on anything

[hollow spear]

He will outgun you, he's the veteran

You got nothing on his 16k posts

He's seen it all

[tribal blade]

25k posts

[hollow spear]

You can't surf with him

Ever since we have not been buffed, I have not been getting invites to M+ pugs

Coincidence? I think not.

[plush roost]

I love you @lucid jackal

[hollow spear]

valid crashout

[chrome palm]

you dont get it

if they buff rogue it will be op, then liquid will deploy the legion of sub rogues theyve been gearing this past week

[plush roost]

Sorry messer, turns out my prism luck rubbed off on the tuning droprate as well...

[hollow spear]

Erm, akshually rogue saw 2nd boss though

[lost karma]

Hello will playing this spec keep me from getting sat

[chrome palm]

its ok but what game do we play on the bench

[lost karma]

Help

[hollow spear]

I don't think exile's 20 rats count

[vagrant sinew]

lol I think I did Ive been taking mount farming alot more casually past few years but I farmed the paragon reps in tww atleast

[jaunty heath]

guy is only one fighting for us tbh

nobody cares whats said here

[strange chasm]

Didnt echo play a rogue

[void ocean]

no

[shrewd seal]

I cannot believe we got a pvp nerf and no pve tuning at all wtfffffff

[night sparrow]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[iron obsidian]

no

[plush roost]

Been playing 🛌🏻 and 📺

[iron obsidian]

if anything youll get sat faster

[hollow spear]

On 2 and 3, maybe even 4

not sure

[ashen trail]

been playing assa rogue but everyone tells me i should play sub instead. is it really that much better and worth switching completly too?

[stuck arrow]

I mean I believe the pvp nerf. Sub is honestly kinda lulzy in pvp right now.

[unreal ledge]

the only spec that we can play at all is sub

and that is trash too

[plush roost]

Both good different profiles and goals should learn both

If u main rogue

[willow mantle]

do we send blades if we only have 1 dance charge? or do we hold blades until we can guarantee 2 dances inside of it?

[plush roost]

Ik rogue could use a buff but its really not completely trash garbage bad

Its just middle of pack what can u do

[unreal ledge]

perception is reality

[shrewd seal]

No it’s not trash but a 3-dps class solidly middle of the pack or lower is nuts to me

[iron obsidian]

hold blades until you have about 5 seconds left until your next dance charge

[flat scarab]

No rogue changes 🙂

[chrome palm]

i dont think this is accurate

[ivory orchid]

My girlfriends boyfriend got sat during LFR due to being a rogue main said he has to main mm hunter now is there changes coming?

[native barn]

We need to close discord guys, come on do it

[willow mantle]

and then stagger the dances so you get a sectech in each one? or just chain send?

[native barn]

to get buffs

[chrome palm]

like middle of the pack if you count bm and arcane maybe

but everyone just plays frost or mm which somehow arent nerfed

[hollow spear]

your wife should look for a new boyfriend

[plush roost]

Bm will be played on last 2 with these buffs probably

[hazy breach]

Sorry buddy not the time for non-dooming

[frail kindle]

you know whats really cool guys

[unreal ledge]

you can time it right to send dance on sectech with 2 supercharged

[frail kindle]

how the world first guilds have access to weakauras and we dont 🙂

i love how liquid and echo healers get a dispel weakaura to pop up in the middle of their screen telling them who to dispel and their frames glow

but my healers dont get to have that!

woohoo

love raiding at a disadvantage

[chrome palm]

the time for middle of the pack cope is gone, the time for rogue is a non-participant in the raid doom is here

[stuck arrow]

Bruh - you can't nerf a spec that's on a 3 DPS spec class. That would be crazy. They need to bring damage or no one would play them!

[night sparrow]

it'll get released when rwf is over, be patient

[trail bison]

this is a doom only chat please refrain from being positive

[frail kindle]

bro were gonna pull paladins on monday

[ivory orchid]

kids arent being fed until rogue buffs, its on blizz

[hollow spear]

Man, it really sucks it's weekend

[willow mantle]

right right, so im dancing when i press blades, then backstabbing for a bit in blades, then dancing so i get a second sectech with the supercharger finish

[chrome palm]

"we"

[frail kindle]

yeah

i figured i might as well try and be helpful on the bench and ai vibe code a weakauras type addon for my guild

idfk

this is like some of the actual lamest shit of the expansion though besides tuning lol. like why do they just get to play at an advantage compared to every other guild

[bleak night]

imagine being in rwf and your class is so dogshit you only get brought to the boss that drops daggers just in case you need to take them

someone check on exile pls

[chrome palm]

it was stupid to put exile in on that boss

[iron obsidian]

i usually only hold the dance in my first set of cds with lust

[frail kindle]

wasnt the addon change to make it so there wasnt anybody playing at an advantage through addons

[chrome palm]

shouldve just had a hunter collect the dagger

[bleak night]

real

[iron obsidian]

and then i just send the rest of em on cd

[willow mantle]

yeah im combing through the logs trying to find a pattern, but i havent noticed one

[lilac stag]

tuning notes as predicted

[iron obsidian]

idk if thats the right thing to do so worth it to ask otehrs

[acoustic lodge]

Looks like we missed the buff train

[chrome palm]

instead of making rogue a good class in raid they just made it less bad to not have a rogue in the raid in every way

[vagrant sinew]

well they develop inhouse and they basically ask blizz for everything they made if its ok, and how they made and if blizz wants to brick how it works after thats up to them

[night sparrow]

but 3.6 dr 🥲

[grave cove]

If it weren't for our 3.6 DR we'd be in 0 raids lol

[frail kindle]

i mean i dont think the shit theyre doing should be allowed at all idk or it should be public

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/this-is-unacceptable/2281465

ok i wrote

upvote

like

subscribe

[iron obsidian]

oh

[tribal blade]

hit the notification bell

share

[lilac stag]

You mean like this tier?

[iron obsidian]

i thought you were trolling

[short aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[frail kindle]

like the top guilds are gonna have some brainiacs developing addons that push what blizzard allows them to do to the very edge no matter what

theres no incentive for them to release it to the public either

so its just a get fucked if youre not in the top 3 guilds angle

[upbeat cradle]

guys on chimaerus, does CoS get rid of the debuff from getting sent into the other realm ?

[frail kindle]

which is probably one of the scummiest things in this game

[upbeat cradle]

wondering if I could soak the first two to try to pad more

i need to trick my guild into thinking i'm doing damage

[night sparrow]

Give rogue a warlock gate

[vale pine]

after doing way to many mythic+ dungeons now

i see a very diffrent problem in design

basically, if you look at many dungeons

like nexus point

or skyreach

these dungeons are railroaded

[iron obsidian]

fuu

contact your blizz contacts

and get rogue buffs

plz

[vale pine]

There are just enough mobs to fill 100%, you can decide between maybe 2-3 mobs in the entire experience

[lyric patrol]

Guess we're all rerolling to hunter

[hard trellis]

try again in s2

joke balancing

[vestal relic]

this is just another way to make shroud useless x)

[vale pine]

shroud isn't uselesss

like ironically

[honest void]

^

[vale pine]

in skyreach the run section

[bleak night]

wait

[vale pine]

you just speedshrould and the group zooms through it

[bleak night]

speed shroud would go hard there

[honest void]

u can use it surprisingly in some pretty decent places

[vale pine]

the problem is

you can entirely skip the section on the new classes often

[short aurora]

i wouldnt have thought i'm gonna miss shadowdust sub rogue but here we are

[ashen ibex]

When do we close discord?

[hazy breach]

Academy unironically has an ok shroud

[vale pine]

we won't

[daring marlin]

+10 Skyreach lf shroud

[vestal relic]

wdym we won't?

[tepid trellis]

go to the top right corner and press the X

[vale pine]

one of the season 2 dungeons has

[pulsar hemlock]

Cus we aint no bitches

[tepid trellis]

np

[vale pine]

some insane shroud potential

the show / loa one

[night sparrow]

problem with shroud is that tanks already have their route in mind so 90% of them dont want to skip things

[swift tinsel]

the bridge at the end?

[dense mountain]

your uncle lied broooo

[swift tinsel]

only place I could really see it being that good

[short aurora]

all the orange/green/purple names wouldnt get paid when daycare closes casual

[hazy breach]

Either of the bridges

[vale pine]

I think its an entirely diffrent problem space

[vagrant sinew]

you didnt asnwer my question!! which spec was the last to get hotfix buffed before uh dk

[short aurora]

[swift tinsel]

ye

[vale pine]

like, we can't decide on tuning

[glad cosmos]

Tanks dont even let you go stealth, they dont give a shit about shroud 😂

[vale pine]

we can maybe impact class design with feedback

[hazy breach]

But yes you can shroud to the big veximus pull as the first thing you do in the dungeon

[vale pine]

but looking at TWW -> Midnight changes, even this is very limited

[vestal relic]

close discord and lets see if it doesnt impact tuning? no ?

[short aurora]

xddd

[vale pine]

the reason rogue is bad atm is not that blizz is incompetent

but its because rogeu is not supposed to be good this tier

if you look through the seaosns, rogue always is either

all specs are good

[night sparrow]

Lets start a strike guys

[vale pine]

or rogue is fairly irrelevant

[tidal python]

I played windwalker for a bit and it's infuriating how well the spec flows despite also using energy as a resource

[tepid trellis]

fury warrior last tier

got a "secret" tierset hotfix

mid week

[vale pine]

so the tuning philosophy behind classes seems more the culprit

[stuck arrow]

I mean hasn't every wow player ever for the longest time been asking for distinct utility that makes people want to bring their class?

Even DK and lok players complain they don't have enough of it.

[hard trellis]

rogue is dead

go s2

[vale pine]

thats why we got atrophic

hunters got a weak buff

then it was too weak

and now its 3% damage buff kinda

[faint quest]

we all just need to reroll mage, when have they not been meta xD

[balmy pollen]

imo rogue as a pure dps class should have at least one spec in top 6 in each tier

[night sparrow]

Give rogue a grab

[daring marlin]

Why bother learning alternate routes in case 3% played class is in your group

[vale pine]

rogue is in an unique spot

[balmy pollen]

like mage and hunters

[vale pine]

it is the ONLY class in the game which is limited to the worse role

[balmy pollen]

but it's the least played class so don't think blizz bothers that much

[vale pine]

there are 4 roles:
tank / healer / ranged dps / melee dps

so being in the bracket of the least importance

means tuning or utility should be used to make up for it

[vestal relic]

nice

[vale pine]

reality is, tuning is not considering that

[vestal relic]

we got none of those

x)

[pulsar hemlock]

I feel like, I have been reading these same statements and conversations for like 6 years now.

[night sparrow]

Anyway if one dev spends more than an hour per month on rogue design/balancing, they take to risk to have their grandma explode

[vale pine]

its arbiary

[night sparrow]

it's a law of physics

[ashen ibex]

We need nerf

I lied

[vale pine]

more like 10

^^

[short aurora]

wtf casual on rogue what year is it

[ashen ibex]

Side quests KEK

[stuck arrow]

Unironically - ranged rogue in D4 pops off even though D4 is not great.

And tank rogue in SoD was awesome.

[short aurora]

its like guy playing outlaw

[strange chasm]

lmao nexus king is the perfect fight for sub

the timings are unreal

[ashen ibex]

Topped boss dam on vorasious too , just nerf rogue already

[tidal python]

I kinda wish your reasons to bring a particular spec were mostly related to what the spec beings to the table rather than being solely dictated by flavour of the week tuning. Sub for example used to be good at funnel. It was good at every single fight that you could funnel regardless of whether or not it was strong in general.

[faint quest]

must not have had a frost mage in the group

[fiery fog]

arent you holding blades for like 30 seconds at some point

[tidal python]

Arms for example is supposed to be really good in any fight with 2 targets

[frosty sinew]

like 15

[tidal python]

In practice it all boils down to tuning

[short aurora]

you got logs?

[vale pine]

i think its just a matter of time investment

[stuck arrow]

Or the buff your spec brings. 😂

I think stuff like grip or lock gate are the kind of things every class should have. Meaningful in combat problem solving tools that no one else does.

[vale pine]

you can make rogue good or desirable

[hazy breach]

Bro still thinks we are a 90s burst spec

[frosty sinew]

i was third boss damage on vorasious and was dead for 30 seconds

[hazy breach]

[ashen ibex]

Private

[vale pine]

the question is, if thats the wanted solution

[frosty sinew]

sub rogue st is pretty strong

[fiery fog]

thats 30 seconds

[faint quest]

there is a single fight in the rwf that has a rogue. And the only reason rogue is in that fight is if the dagger drops lol.

[vale pine]

subtlety is good

[fiery fog]

the third cast

[frosty sinew]

well 15 for the first

well second cast of it

[steel zinc]

on the bench?

yes

[short aurora]

welp, unfortunate

[balmy pollen]

well in M+ I feel rly strong with sub

[frosty sinew]

sub is just really bad at dragons and pallies

fights aren't built for it

[daring marlin]

We realized subtlety rogue outperforming other classes in the mythic difficulty, its damage is reduced 10%

[light finch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-midnight-class-tuning-for-march-31st-381003

no rogue buffs

[balmy pollen]

but raid is kinda meh

[night sparrow]

Devs update : we are aware rogues are lacking of utility in raid content. To also stick to class fantasy, we decided to add a raid buff : rogues now steal 1% main stats from their entire group to incrase their damage by 2%

[tidal python]

Bring burst of speed back and let rogues run around like crazy

Surely they'll be desirable then

[stuck arrow]

I mean unironically. Why rogue worse at running around then mage?

[jaunty heath]

I did 50 keys and used shroud maybne 5 times

more and more useless

[glass jackal]

Just make 2/2 vigor the standard baseline for rogue energy

[night sparrow]

3 of them because of missclick

[candid mural]

so...now we have no dmg in raid AND no actual raid-buff?

[jaunty heath]

nobod care about your shroud, routes are not build around it

[tepid trellis]

i love vanishing mid boss fight and press it to stunlock my m+ buddies

so i press it quite often

[candid mural]

and blizzard feels like that is exactly where rogue is supposed to be

[stuck arrow]

I use shroud the most in raid prepull.

It's useless there for the most part, but it makes me feel like I'm doing important things. Like I've got a job.

[night sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-16644513012642585936

[iron obsidian]

thankfully i have a tank who knows how to use my shroud

[jaunty heath]

actrually same 😄

[trail bison]

[gentle temple]

Is rogue dev a known person? Or is he just in the shadows?

[jaunty heath]

the only time they notice you

[iron obsidian]

(we use it in 1 single dungeon and its just so we can skip the caverns bridge)

[tepid trellis]

just as hidden as the rogue tuning in the patch notes

[night sparrow]

It apparently bugs BM pets

was the case in tww s3 idk about now

[gilded ferry]

nice to know u still blasting reps

[jaunty heath]

nobody will publicy claim "yes this class is my work " 😄

when the class is rogue kek

[iron obsidian]

i heard that we have the dh dev as our dev

no idea how true that is tho

[jaunty heath]

use to be

[iron obsidian]

because frankly, idrc

[vestal relic]

to be fair it would probably kill you carreer atm

[iron obsidian]

the only prominent dev i remember is realz

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[gentle temple]

would be nice watching that guys CV after this last years of rogue development

[night sparrow]

Now rogue tuning is AI generated

[unreal ledge]

i heard it was the old DK guy and that explained alot

[iron obsidian]

and thats only cause he would type in here every like 8 months

[radiant swift]

how do i do this

[vestal relic]

realz was quitte active

[light finch]

The Times when Scarizard was sometimes in the Discord to talk to us, can they just delete rogues if they dont care about them.

[radiant swift]

research purposes

[iron obsidian]

vanish > shroud

[jaunty heath]

i heard when they are assigning dev to do some rogue work, they taking sick days

[vestal relic]

but he is not in charge or rogue anymore 😢

[stuck arrow]

Every once and a while I get a whisper in pugs from a melee DPS thanking me for the 1 extra gcd in the 400 they get in the fight, and I know it's all worth it.

[radiant swift]

how does this work

[iron obsidian]

you press vanish, and then you press shroud

[radiant swift]

i mean yes but what does it do

[iron obsidian]

nothing

[tidal python]

you get invisible

[iron obsidian]

its just to meme

gives 0 damage whatsoever

[radiant swift]

sick

[iron obsidian]

you do it just for the meme

because its funny

[radiant swift]

fair

[tidal python]

-10% damage because everyone is confused

[stuck arrow]

Is a speed buff.

In small raids can reset boss.

[night sparrow]

Tomorrow I'll make a macro to do that fr

vanish > shroud double press

[jaunty heath]

if im gonna play next season, i will never play rogue as alt, now i have two death chars 😄

[gentle temple]

The fact that they get rid of the AOE blind to get it back in .5 is just marvelous

[night sparrow]

guys lets start to vanish > shroud randomly as a sign of protest so other class are joining our cause. The meme is political

it will draw attention from non rogues player. I believe.

[tidal python]

What is this rebellion even about anyway

Isn't sub supposed to be pretty decent right now

[jaunty heath]

bro are you living under rock or what

[night sparrow]

Utility, not tuning

[hazy breach]

Not on spread cleave bosses

[jaunty heath]

must be ragebait

[hazy breach]

Which is what the voidspire has

[night sparrow]

This shroud vanish is like the gilets jaune. It's a kind of strike, we are stunlocking our group. I'm french, I'm an expert at striking

[daring marlin]

Wait do you remember the time when we could make auctioneers invisible

[night sparrow]

trust me

i member

(no)

[open swan]

Peak rogue is kidney shotting mobs in keys coz outside dance ur not doing anything

[wise fulcrum]

Wait. Is this the place where we are organizing the rogue rebellion??

[vagrant fulcrum]

honestly it feels like there's so little parity when it comes to dps spec capabilities

[uncut bloom]

better than a wet noodle evis

[vagrant fulcrum]

like in what world are specs that have spread cleave allowed to be remotely competitive on stacked cleave

[wise fulcrum]

I remember getting into dungeon groups back in the day to blind/sap mobs before the meta was chain pulling 15 mobs at a time…

[vagrant fulcrum]

shit like boomkin absolutely destroying everything except MM on Voti council 4t stacked while fury was bottom 5

who just decided the uncapped spread aoe spec should be better at 4t stacked than the hardcapped 5t spec?

[limpid vortex]

how are people tracking their secret tech stacks with no wa?

im tired of looking like a chameleon

with googly eyes

[night sparrow]

ok boomer (jk, i member)

[hazy breach]

Cooldown manager

[night sparrow]

please add TFD to cd manager

that's the only chameleon issue rn

[limpid vortex]

this one?

[hazy breach]

No

Ingame

The blizzard one can track it

[limpid vortex]

oh not used or seen it lol ill have a look ty

[night sparrow]

since Midnight prepatch. Not activated by default or even a mesage pops up like "hey look at the best thing we historically added to the game"

[limpid vortex]

anyone got an import?

[limpid vortex]

yeah i never saw this tab lol

[night sparrow]

nope, using arc ui

[wicked bear]

What is the command for the crests the content that drops them?

[limpid vortex]

i was just raw dogging since wa got removed lol

i was wondering how tf people are tracking ST

[obsidian surge]

wtb buffs

[night sparrow]

arc ui is a pretty decent addOn to customize cd manager

[obsidian surge]

shut the class discord down

[night sparrow]

i can give you my import if need

[spiral needle]

Is it still a thing where sec tech clones don't benefit from sblades if they land after it falls off even if cast during it?

[night sparrow]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hollow spear]

yes

[spiral needle]

how long do they hit after the cast?

[night sparrow]

1 and 1.2

[hollow spear]

no, I think they shortened that

[night sparrow]

HA

[hollow spear]

not sure about the exact values, but it's less than a second now

[night sparrow]

thankfully with current rotation we are not supposed to suffer from that

alright, i'd test that also

maybe shortened bc of clones being the class main theme now

[remote rapids]

what's the item name for adding a socket?

[night sparrow]

Now that I think about it, s1 4p + guidon allows us to double sectec during sb, idk about s2 tier set

but if they go like "short sectec cd by 5sec" or something i'll be disappointed af lul

or we go like 74% haste cap

[remote rapids]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[night sparrow]

no midnight equivalent, got removed

[drifting fable]

New theory

they arent buffing rogue because they know % buffs will do nothing and we will just get a full rework

[steep adder]

is the rhonin cn sub rogue guy just a mega pumper unique anomaly

[fierce wigeon]

When do we shut the discord down

[steep adder]

or are we goated on the lowk rn

and we're all coping

[swift tinsel]

only cringe doodoo specs close discords

[limber copper]

yo should i be using shadow strike when there is 3 targets paried with black powder or just straight ss when in shadow dance?

[fierce wigeon]

then get us a rogue dev

[void ocean]

bro do w/e it doesnt matter anyway, some demo will still do double of ur dps

[stable marlin]

I mean closing the discord just wont get us the buffs or attention we want anyway imo

[limber copper]

shiiit

[swift tinsel]

exactly it just looks lame as fuck

[void ocean]

i mean the question is do we have anything to lose

[stuck arrow]

And if we closed the discord, where would we complain?

[swift tinsel]

it would have no positive effect whatsoever

[light finch]

dont think blizzard would even notice.

[swift tinsel]

and would be disruptive and plainly stupid

[bleak night]

i like close the discord jokes but i hate that half the time the person is serious

because they think the ret thing actually worked

[limber copper]

we aint like pallys cant close the discord

[bleak night]

and it wasnt blizzard doing the same thing they always do

[limber copper]

we built diff

[night sparrow]

just do the vanish > shroud randomly in m+/raid to disturb fellew players and make em join our cause

[swift tinsel]

closed it but just opened a channel to talk in anyways

[steep adder]

y'all just gotta start joymaxxing man

[swift tinsel]

so it was literally pointless for them to do it

[void ocean]

all i know is they got their buffs and we aint got shit xD

[light finch]

just coincidence, timing was just perfect in that moment.

[fallow nimbus]

They are afraid of our power

[red flame]

no way ppl are asking to close the discord again

[limber copper]

lol

[vagrant sinew]

let me tell you a secret, those buffs were planned before the discord closed

it was just pure coincidence nothing else

[red flame]

also we arent the braindead whiners who only know how to push the flashy button

we're way above closing the discord xd

like have some self respect fr

[raw ridge]

is there an easy way/addon to keep track of shadow techniques?

[tepid trellis]

the cooldown manager

[night sparrow]

base game cd manager

[red flame]

was just gonna say the cdm

[raw ridge]

aaah so that's why they blocked weakauras

ty guys

[swift tinsel]

They had to cobble the CDM together bc they bricked weakauras

[night sparrow]

🥸 🥸

[north garnet]

The paladin fight tho

[grim vessel]

What's the deal with rwf guys running WA?

Is it still around?

[tepid trellis]

custom addons that basically do the same thing as what WA's did

that ofc arent public

[grim vessel]

What a shit show

[night sparrow]

yet, i guess

[void ocean]

so thats how u reduce the gap, gotcha

[stuck arrow]

I mean give it 3 weeks, I'm sure liquid will release their add ons.

[red flame]

for the patreon boys

lol

[jaunty heath]

We use to have all the same WA, now its only for best of best:D

[grim vessel]

So the stated design goal has already been worked around

[tepid trellis]

Northern sky did release theirs

not as custom as what the RWF guys show there

but it has reminders and what not

[void ocean]

fckin clown fiesta

[jaunty heath]

Yeah their are good

[void ocean]

blizz should just admit the defeat

[jaunty heath]

Wish I could raid mythic and use them

[stuck arrow]

Has nothing to do with being good, more to do with employing your own software dev.

I'm sure your average guild could get an addon made by a third world dev on fiver or something.

[void ocean]

were u doing splits with method?

[jaunty heath]

I did some on Wednesday

[north garnet]

Is it possible for an addon to glow or something if i have 5 stacks of shadow technique? Do they have that kind of functionality still

[void ocean]

Kappucino guy?

[grim vessel]

And now the game is in a way worse spot than tww

[jaunty heath]

I mean liquid use to share their, it was behind some paywall but was fine

Yea

[grim vessel]

Thousands of hours of dev time and now WA are still available to the specific people

[red flame]

addons behind a paywall is insanity

[grim vessel]

Is there a working damage meter behind a pay wall too?

[void ocean]

guys i think we r moving away from whats important for rogues rn and that is... post ur houses here

[tepid trellis]

i havent even done the quest for housing

[void ocean]

same xD

[jaunty heath]

Nobody trusted me when I said housing will be death content in no time

[red flame]

i havent been to mine since prepatch except to do the race for the free crests

[manic salmon]

guys

i didn't want to doompost

but

[void ocean]

i gave it one season tops

[manic salmon]

it's over

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[void ocean]

rogues r joever

[grim vessel]

It's like pet battles. There will be some set of the community that will fall in love

[spare crypt]

someone out there fell in love with pet battles?

[jaunty heath]

For sure but most wont care

[spare crypt]

thats crazy

[void ocean]

rogues vs warlock pets, best dps pet battle ever

[steep adder]

It’s not over guys

[spare crypt]

isnt it?

[steep adder]

We can still watch other classes do good dps while we do keys

[jaunty heath]

Im getting annoyed that some useless house decor filling my bags from everything I do

[grim vessel]

I'd be curious if the # of pet battles is comparable to the # of mythic raiders

[red flame]

housing would be 100x better if you didnt have to collect multiples of items to use them
if i unlock X Crate i shouldnt have to farm 50 of them, i should just be able to place 50 of them. or at the very least buy them for gold not have to farm it again
thats the stupid part

[steep adder]

Life is good

[red flame]

or one of the stupid parts

[steep adder]

We’ve been relegated to the dps cuck chair but it’ll get better soon

[void ocean]

dude im not denying housing is fun but its not the game xD

[grim vessel]

Remember to tell the raid YOURE WELCOME for 3.6% dr

[steep adder]

Facts true and real

[spare crypt]

we're gonna blast when the last titan rework drops

its ok

[manic salmon]

guys its so over

keep doomposting

the agenda must be maintained

[void ocean]

i already said that expansion will be called the last rogue 😄

[grim vessel]

I considered ele sham at one point

[steep adder]

The agenda is over

Rogues are supreme beings

[void ocean]

cause i have the feel thats how many of us will remain

[steep adder]

Guys we are better than arms warriors

[red flame]

tbf theres alr only like 20 of us

[manic salmon]

not quite

[weak vector]

*21

[zenith wedge]

lets change the discord to a discord about the Nissan Rogue

[void ocean]

but r we better than fury warriors

[steep adder]

You’re just bad

[manic salmon]

legit

[red flame]

that would be funny asf for april fools

LMAO

[grim vessel]

Middle of the raid, and your MT loots a lock box. What are they going to do if theres no rogue??

[steep adder]

No but you pick ur battles

[weak vector]

wtf is a lock box

[red flame]

so real

[weak vector]

https://klipy.com/gifs/joelana-joe-cto-2

[steep adder]

We can’t be better than everyone guys

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/pharrell-happy-song-cause-i'm-happy-it-might-seem-crazy-what-i'm-'bout-to-say-piece-by-piece-gif-2611474076912689826

[steep adder]

At least we’re better than someone

[red flame]

a box

that locks

[grim vessel]

Don't tell me you forgot to max your lock picking

[void ocean]

exactly, class having at least one viable spec is ok by me, i can do assa as well, probably even outlaw even tho i didnt since df... but having all 3 specs in the last 3rd is just... dont know even what word to use

i can be fotm rogue spec player

[zenith hollow]

Tiring

[manic salmon]

pick a struggle man

[warped palm]

!log

[manic salmon]

just being a rogue is a struggle

dei raid buff

[grim vessel]

Realistically this is demo's fault. Rogue cant be good while demo and other lock specs are good

[manic salmon]

legiiiiiit

[red flame]

idk i feel like pure dps class only having 1 viable spec is still dogshit design
should at least have 2 viable options if you're only good for dpsing
pigeonheld into 1 spec isnt fun

[manic salmon]

facts

[steep adder]

Ye agreed it’s extremely brutal to be in the last 3rd, but we’re not unplayable and far from that

[void ocean]

true but then u get to the point of having 0 spec

[steep adder]

Ideally blizzard would actually tune well

[manic salmon]

its not just thhat

[grim vessel]

Every mage thanking blizz gods rn that they dont have to play this new dogshit arcane

[weak vector]

Blizzard really looked at Rogues in Midnight and said, "What if we made them dual-wield pool noodles wrapped in Void magic?" 🤡🔪 I am literally breaking my fingers executing a 400 APM piano concerto rotation just to barely scrape a green parse, meanwhile the Arms Warrior next to me is drooling, pressing Execute with his forehead, and doing almost the exact same deeps. 😭📉 Sure, they say I bring "utility" by stealthing past the trash that the blood DK is just going to mass-pull anyway, but my Sinister Strikes are hitting these Void lords like a wet paper towel. If I wanted to work this hard to be aggressively mediocre, I’d just play a Survival Hunter. Please, Ion, free us from the bottom of the meter! 🗣️🗑️⚔️💀

[manic salmon]

in TWW we could fill a niche

[steep adder]

And we’d be middle of the pack on all 3 with everyone enjoying whatever the wanted from the class but ultimately blizzard didn’t care enough about rogues this time around

[manic salmon]

we just do

default damage

and why pick a class that does okay default damage

and brings nothing else

[void ocean]

in tww s3 i was swapping between assa and sub and i was happy

[steep adder]

Same

[void ocean]

sometimes id top dps, other tipes in like top 1/3

thats all i need

[manic salmon]

same

[steep adder]

I’m just coping by telling myself the lack of 4pc is why I’m always losing in dps 🙏

[night sparrow]

4p + guidon feels pretty good

[weak vector]

I cant wait for guidon

hopefully lol

[red flame]

i still have yet to see a single guidon drop except 1 in lfr

[night sparrow]

I have no idea but it might be bis only for sub

[red flame]

that i got outrolled on by like 2

[manic salmon]

BUDDY

[night sparrow]

2 days ago with reset, saw 2 in normal and 1 (that i got) in hm 🥸 yes, i'm rage baiting you

but it actually happened

none in mm, i'm so unlucky

[vestal relic]

dw

[manic salmon]

it's doomed

[vestal relic]

shadow its getting giga buffed

[manic salmon]

i know

[weak vector]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[manic salmon]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[hollow compass]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[red flame]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[cyan salmon]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[fading saffron]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[night sparrow]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steep adder]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[steep adder]

Okay it’s over

I’m sorry for doubting you

I give up

[manic salmon]

you should doubt me

im dogshit

but so is my class

and spec

[steep adder]

Bro

[manic salmon]

(not really but the agenda must be maintained)

[steep adder]

(The agenda requires you to be the goat)

[manic salmon]

rip agenda

[steep adder]

Spriest officially confirmed objectively better than our class

Brutal

[warped palm]

Hi there! would anyone be willing to look at my log that I posted in the akstis- Log Review thread I created? I would really appreciate the help. Thank you in advance

[steep adder]

Arms warrior equal

[plush roost]

Oh this one is good

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[tribal blade]

lol

[misty condor]

Quick question, fishhook is worse than mercy for M+, right?

[limber copper]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

What's happening?

[hazy breach]

Everywhere yes

[manic salmon]

??

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[misty condor]

Ty Eleem

[raw wadi]

Thanks for the answer

[limber copper]

raiding rn and no beuno

[manic salmon]

your turn

you have been converted

[red flame]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[jovial garnet]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

The problem is nothing a number tuning can fix.
It's the raid itself.
They just bring melees for a reason not because they are pumping.
If you want to be a grip bot for rangeds...you can be a DK

[manic salmon]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[red flame]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[weak vector]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[full spade]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[open vortex]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[sharp ravine]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[shrewd seal]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[marsh meteor]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[plush roost]

Btw why is it japanese and not chinese

We cant even shitpost right

[stuck arrow]

That kind of makes it funnier TBH.

[weak vector]

lmao

i didnt even think

woops

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

there's the chinese version

[topaz pilot]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[manic salmon]

ok guys

hot take but

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[bleak night]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[tame notch]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[real belfry]

Are Puzzlebox and Ranger Captain going to conflict with eachother?

or does the cd reduction on Ranger Caption balance that?

[solemn sonnet]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[real belfry]

sims are saying its better ot have both on

[plush roost]

You dont play both

[hazy breach]

You can

Captain is just a damage effect

Use it whenever you want

[plush roost]

I mean yeah, you can play both, but its not ideal

[hazy breach]

Use puzzlebox every other blades

[real belfry]

I'll give it a shot here in this m+

[hazy breach]

Id probably just recommend to run the renown trinket instead

[warped palm]

Can anyone take a look at this log for me?

[real belfry]

I've got a few hero ones i'm playing around with

[hazy breach]

Yeah, that still doesnt change my statement

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle garden]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[jovial garnet]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[stable viper]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[cosmic sparrow]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[tulip dome]

black powder turns into coup de grace too? thought it was only the st finisher

[hazy breach]

It is only eviscerate

[tulip dome]

why can you macro them together then?

[vocal rock]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[hazy breach]

Because its bugged

[tulip dome]

thats definitely not a good reason to get used to it then

[hazy breach]

Its unlikely to get fixed

But its not good either way because its not always optimal to use it like that

For example you wouldnt want to coup when you have 2 mobs at 5% hp right before a big pull with cds+pot

[fossil panther]

Given Light Company Guidon, is it better to just adjust a macro to go /14 /Shadow Blades?

Instead of Blade->Trink?

[warped palm]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[tame notch]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[plush crescent]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[west bluff]

Rogue do low damage (ローグの攻撃はゴミ). same parse as arms war (パース赤、戦士と同じ). Bring shame to guild (ギルドの恥). M+ instant decline. (招待拒否). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

If you do dance->tech->blades then no.
You have to wait a short time after using guidon before you can send the dance+tech+dance stuff

[iron obsidian]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

Maybe eleem can answer it in detail. Because I don't know the "short time wait" before dance

[tame notch]

It's up to 1s

It's better to click it before dance without a macro

[exotic steeple]

wth is going on

[merry agate]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[exotic steeple]

are we closing our dc ???

[tame notch]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[spare quiver]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[near stratus]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

Yeah to have dance duration extended and tech cd lowered.

[exotic steeple]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[misty condor]

Can you guys please shut the fuck up with the joke

[exotic steeple]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[north garnet]

Stop this

We are better than this

[iron obsidian]

nah

copy pastas are fun

[polar schooner]

Please don’t reply all to the email chain!!!!

lol

[iron obsidian]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[tame notch]

we are not

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

That's m+

[merry agate]

We are coping ❤️

[north garnet]

????

[runic sequoia]

Looks like a skissue

[exotic steeple]

that bring shame to guild makes ts funny lmao

[tame notch]

My guild doesn't want me on myth prog cuz i play rogue

and we are the lowest tier

Meanwhile blizzard

[north garnet]

Guild mind controlled by tier lists

[fossil panther]

I am so used to Blade -> Dance -> Tec...
I feel like I am missing a FAQ somewhere over rotation and I am messing up.

[raw wadi]

Not sure but you should dance -> tech -> blade pretty sure

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[tame notch]

We have like 12 warlocks total xd

[warped fox]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[jovial garnet]

its important to remember that not every struggle in life is permanent
except for this one
Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[raw wadi]

What class did you play before? Since you are a new member here i expect you played something else.

[tame notch]

I am new member cuz I left this dc accidentally, from the first time I played wow retail Ive never played anything else but Rogue

Mainly played assa but this expansion I switched to sub (like most of the Rogue community)

[raw wadi]

Maybe I should switch to outlaw. Not a single "joke" posted in their channel.
I mean it's not even funny to get spammed like this.

And I'm pretty sure it will change nothing.

[tame notch]

It will change nothing that's true

But remember my friend

We all are in the same shit together

You are not alone

[north garnet]

Its gonna make us look bad

No grace at all

[zenith wedge]

its only beta guys theyll fix it soon

[north garnet]

Im sure they will do some tuning after the race is over

[willow violet]

how big is 4piece for sub in aoe vs st?

[soft garnet]

What would you all say is strongest in raid atm? sub, sin or outlaw?

[north garnet]

Sub

[lucid jackal]

Sin or sub

[fleet wharf]

early mythic bosses you want to be sub for sure

[raw wadi]

Yeah so let people suffer even more? We can't change it and at least everyone should realize they are not interested to maintain one of the least played classes.
If you don't like it I can tell you they need hunters.

[soft garnet]

I'm falling behind in dmg the longer the fight in heroic cosmos.

I could really use some tips

[short radish]

don't pad on adds

do damage on damage amp

thats like 80% of your damage

[north garnet]

Keep in mind a lot of your power is locked behind tierset for sub

[soft garnet]

(playing sub, strong dps start reaching up to 300k and ending phase 1 at 198k) but it goes downhill from there compared to other classes

Yeah I have 4set

Towards 20-30% hp Alleria I'm usually around the 70-80k mark

[lyric iris]

thats the c"normal" profile damage?

[soft garnet]

How often are you using black powder?

& shuriken

[short radish]

never

[short radish]

yes. we are rogue and we do shit damage

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[fleet wharf]

why is there no translation for the last line?

[soft garnet]

I did two +12 keys in time topping dps overall at 120k+ 😂 its just raid im having a hard time topping dmg in

[tame notch]

We are actually good on m+

But raid is 🤡

[soft garnet]

Yeah :(

Sub is ❤️ though

[short radish]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC (刪除此類)

[soft garnet]

I used to love sin but man, sub is king

[tame notch]

Id never change my class no matter how good or bad it is

[tame notch]

Bro that's the same for me

[soft garnet]

It just feels so good to play

[tame notch]

+++1

But yeah Blizzard forgot they have Rogue class

[shrewd lantern]

rank 1 has 0 bp damage

lol

[soft garnet]

fair, focusing on the st

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1pH8vXCTRjcr4BmF?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=493

[wild atlas]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Essential:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - Enhanced Cooldown Manager.
• WangBar / SensaiBar - Resource bar (when using blizzard CDM)
• MSUF / UUF - Unit frame mods.
• Platynator - Nameplate Addon.
  Quality of Life:
• Buff Reminders - Food/Flask/Poison Reminder.
• WilduTools - QOL enhancements.
• Mute Cold Blood sound

[tame notch]

LOL I just checked that u are right I didn't expect that

[soft garnet]

Are we atleast topping on alleria dmg?

[tame notch]

Guess

[soft garnet]

oh

:(

[tame notch]

Shadow Priest exists, Shadow Priest deals highest dps on alleria and good dps overall = LET'S BUFF SHADOW PRIEST -> Blizzard logic

[soft garnet]

Also with blizzard cdm, is there a good profile to import?

[fleet wharf]

i mean we'll probably get a nice raidbuff next tier

[short radish]

[fleet wharf]

look on the positive side

[zenith wedge]

its ok guys they are reworking us by giving us aoe blind which they took away

[short radish]

oh yeah whats that

[tame notch]

I use AyijeCDM not blizzard cdm

It's great for me

[fleet wharf]

god I hate that word is banned here

[short radish]

luxthos is a good free UI

[short radish]

spl*ts?

util*ty?

p*sh week?

actually

[fleet wharf]

seconded, the most reliable one so far imo

[shrewd lantern]

i enjoy seeing

[short radish]

i shouldnt bait you into saying whatever word it is

[tame notch]

dam*ge?

[shrewd lantern]

"normal splits"

[short radish]

[shrewd lantern]

from a guild less progged than us

absolutely diabolical work

[fleet wharf]

I wont fall for the bait, but what I wanted to say is that hunters and dks were sat only 1 fight before they got shiny new toys and entire raids designed to make them mandatory

[soft garnet]

where can I get this

[fleet wharf]

we're getting 5% raidwide damage buff next tier is my point

[tame notch]

Curseforge addon

I can dmu my import string if u want

[short radish]

we've been sat before, we'll be sat again

[soft garnet]

Yes please

[fleet wharf]

probably, but

[short radish]

ive stopped having hope

or cope

ive achived acceptance

zen 🙂

[fleet wharf]

idk if my guild is going to be fielding rogues much for the remainder of the tier

or rogue, sorry, there were never more than 1

[soft garnet]

is there genuinely no chance we get more buffs soon?

[short radish]

i had to fight so hard to get alnseer

[fleet wharf]

i mean arent you one of their better players? kinda surprising to hear

[soft garnet]

tbh ability to do mechanics and screw up the least out of the roster should be what gets you in over dps unless its a dps check fight

people are silly

[fleet wharf]

that is a sane take, but that's what makes it not so safe

this is 2026 after all

[soft garnet]

id rather have people who aren't gonna die to a mechanic every second pull while pulling decent numbers over people preventing actual progress from happening because they keep dying. can't do dmg if ur dead 😂

[fleet wharf]

sure, but most raids just follow whatever liquid/echo/method does

if none of them field rogues, we're kind of hosed

[pure jay]

how much do we trust the sims if it puts us closer to 500-600 haste? is there a way to make the sim put as at 700 haste min?

[fleet wharf]

yea, just double checked but no rogues for any of them on alleria, not looking good for us tbh

do 700

[pure jay]

i don't think I've ran a sim to ensure a stat point, is there a script for it or how do we do that?

[short radish]

yeah but we've got a few blasters

basically it was almost given to the ret paladin who already had heroic of this

so replacing heroic trinket with heroic trinket

[fleet wharf]

yea, that is a bit silly

the feather is also contested by every dps spec right?

[short radish]

probably

[fleet wharf]

I got a hero guidon at least, so I can't bitch too much

[short radish]

im in puzzle box jail

🙂

[fleet wharf]

oof

[short radish]

0 guideons have dropped

[fleet wharf]

that is so tough

we had one mythic dropped too, but went to UH Dk

[short radish]

its a bit shit

fuck DKs

[fleet wharf]

I might just be being paranoid but I really dunno how the rest of the tier is gonna go

really not looking good for us based on how spire went

[short radish]

my hot shit garbage take is that I want to see 0 rogues this tier

i lied when i said i lost hope

[fleet wharf]

honestly, that might be better in the long run

but it's gonna suck a lot for now

maybe I should've swapped off to enha shammy or something when I had the chance smh

[short radish]

you know what the worst thing is as well

there are SO many sub players now

this is the best time for sub

[fleet wharf]

i guess?

[short radish]

or people to enjoy sub

but because rogue is garbage

[fleet wharf]

i really dont like this iteration compared to what we had in tww s3

[short radish]

who the fuck cares

neither do I

but from a spec health perspective

its good

its very easy to enter

and pick up

(not that it was har before)

[fleet wharf]

is there anything that's like the old sub or is enha the closest thing to it atm?

[short radish]

probably not

[fleet wharf]

if I can stomach it I'll lvl a monk and see if I like it

but yea, my mind is rotting away just doing ss into evisc/sec tech when it's up

[short radish]

tbh i dont mind it

it still has the afk before going into dance

[fleet wharf]

I guess not being able to move dances at all is what's bothering me a lot

[short radish]

which i like

yeah that part bothers me

[fleet wharf]

I enjoyed the piano aspect, and I get why they wanna get rid of that

but the loss of flexibility sucks so much

[short radish]

sectech needs charge

[fleet wharf]

cuz knowing/planning when you send your burst is so important