subtlety

[lusty acorn]

I HAVE 4 /4

[night sparrow]

with hm 2/6 guidon

[spice crag]

soooo many hero pieces looted today, but drop to 600 haste with it, can't get an accurate sim because of gems/enchants.

[slate nest]

spark is not catalyst

[lusty acorn]

ITS NOT CATALYST

[night sparrow]

I know it's irrelevant, but I was wondering if hte interaction is the same on the spaghettocodo level

[lusty acorn]

RADIANT SPARK DUST

4'4

[slate nest]

get arcanoweave lining on a belt

[spice crag]

recraft mythic ,spend sparks on belt

[slate nest]

that's better to use spark on

[lusty acorn]

BELT HERO 272?

WHICH ENCHANT

AND EMP

[slate nest]

arcanoweave lining

[spice crag]

soooo many hero pieces looted today, but drop to 600 haste with it from 701, can't get an accurate sim because of gems/enchants. how worth is 700 haste vs the 600 as trickster?

[lusty acorn]

ALR

TY BRO

[night sparrow]

WHY IS ATL CAPPING

[lusty acorn]

Xd

WHAT

[slate nest]

caps lock

[night sparrow]

You'd miss the two breakpoints with the haste cap : Double SecTec during blade + 7.3 dance duration to have it fade after your last GCD (7.3 bc of Coup GCD = 1.2)

[lusty acorn]

SO RECRAFT DAGGER MYTH AND CRAFT BELT 272

ALR

WHIC STATS HASTE MAS OR CRIT MAS

[night sparrow]

YES NOW LEAVE US ALONE I HAVE MY BRAIN VOICE SHOUTING INSTEAD OF TALKING WHEN I READ YOU

[lusty acorn]

BRO

WHY YOU HATE ME

[slate nest]

if u are under 700 haste then haste mastery if you are over 700 haste then crit mastery

[night sparrow]

SAY IT LOUDER I DONT HEAR YOU

[slate nest]

also yes please stop all caps

[lusty acorn]

MY HASTE 677

ALR

[lusty acorn]

Xdddddd

[nocturne shale]

i keep getting gray parses is there something about backstab plus eviscerate that i’m not understanding

[lime wigeon]

Chill with the all caps my dude

[slate nest]

oh no, even his haste starts with brainrot

[nocturne shale]

do i maybe have to hit the button harder

[lusty acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-reaction-meme-stan-twitter-funny-stressed-gif-7713976294327515532

[slate nest]

Oh poor baby, read the faq and try the macros, ignore the too technical stuff

[spice crag]

!faq

[slate nest]

#subtlety-faq

[nocturne shale]

i have

i can’t tell if i’m just horrible at padding

or i’m actually just a fucking idiot

oh also meant to ask

that faq is updated about the

[pallid umbra]

gng dont feel bad I am also doing ahh

[nocturne shale]

having ancient arts on every non secret technique finisher during all shadow dances

[lusty acorn]

i have ques

[nocturne shale]

is this current true information

[slate nest]

No

[open swan]

Only supercharged cp

[lusty acorn]

when i recraft should matterial high quality ?

[slate nest]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[lusty acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412821415643582545/1480972755129073738/CBF35687-5285-413B-84AF-46B2C9BF1C8E.gif

[nocturne shale]

only on supercharged

[slate nest]

Basically you want only for supercharged and then do strike evis even without aa

[slate nest]

yes, high quality for better chance at rank 5

[nocturne shale]

so basically usually just the first eviscerate after i enter dance

cause my first supercharged should be going to sec tech

[slate nest]

Yes, evis or coup

[lusty acorn]

gloming alloy not avalible in ac high quality

[nocturne shale]

i see

[lusty acorn]

sterling alloy sorry

[slate nest]

well obv if you can only get one type then get one type

Do you have 4set @nocturne shale ?

[nocturne shale]

is there more commands like this with info i should perhaps know about

[nocturne shale]

nope haven’t gotten a SINGLE FUCKING PIECE

fucking stupid game

[slate nest]

same, lmao

[spice crag]

Anyone know how important 700 haste is vs 600 haste as trickster if it means 3-4 pieces going from champ to hero?

[lusty acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-ahh-cat-gif-18079483674604869316

[slate nest]

longer dance from deepening and it's the perfect cutoff for the last global to hit

important

[nocturne shale]

how much is the damage increase ?

i remember looking at the chart and it said like 12 fucking % but then i was told that the entire thing was wrong

[slate nest]

For once you eventually get 4set, your second sectech should be on your second supercharged cp for better optimization

It's 14% and it isn't wrong

[nocturne shale]

holy fucking shit

that’s ridiculous

[slate nest]

At least all orange parsers have at least 2set

[void ocean]

you guys have sets

?

[slate nest]

No xd

I don't get sets

[lusty acorn]

@slate nest this good

[nocturne shale]

what’s the % for 2 set?

[slate nest]

Yea sure

[slate nest]

2set is 9% increase
4 set from 2 set is 5%
in total 14%

[nocturne shale]

i’m getting 2k tmrw and getting 2set prolly

[nocturne shale]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

got me fucked up

[slate nest]

sub benefits the most from set, from any class

and it's not even close lmao

[merry agate]

5 Hunters on Vanguard 😂
We gonna witness a Zul moment?

[nocturne shale]

fawk

[slate nest]

oh yeah and the numbers are for trickster

For ds it's smaller as you can see

but still it gives a lot

[tidal marsh]

Charge your phone

[slate nest]

That was yesterday

Im at 90%

[tidal marsh]

[fringe shale]

Do you guys have any good addon suggestions for tracking the Escalating Blade buff?

[slate nest]

BetterCooldownManager

And just fiddle around with buffs

[fringe shale]

❤️ Thank you

[slate nest]

I don't even track it

Oh wait no I do

[daring raptor]

Yeah 4set 🙂

[open swan]

Is it worth holding coup outside dance til you have sec

[shadow snow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fossil forge]

@void ocean i started yday

[void ocean]

ok srsly wtf

[fossil forge]

I deadass hit lvl 90 10 min before raid hahah

[slate nest]

no, what other spender will you use? You can't evis and your sectech should be on cooldown or just came up but you need dance for that aswell, black powder is a way but you don't use it on single target so just use it

[sly delta]

is it fine to macro guidon to blades or should i just keep it on its own

[fossil forge]

Someone said u should press it a bit before dance

[golden thunder]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[golden thunder]

Light Company Guidon (haste when used) - You need to use the trinket slightly before Shadow Dance to get the extension from Deepening Shadows. (delay of application is ~0.1-0.2 sec, but can take up to 1 sec, plan accordingly)

[slate nest]

do not bind guidon, I can't stress this enough, guidon like 1 second before blades and dance so you can get the longer dance from deepening shadows, blizz spaghetti code only checks your haste every 1 second for deepening shadows to work, so if you bind it together you lose 1 global in dance

[sly delta]

kk ty

[slate nest]

And the longer you dance the longer you do more dps

[daring raptor]

Anyone know why on our opener we hold the second dance until we have sec tech. but at 1.5min and 3min we don't do this?
Is this just purely becuase of lust?

[alpine wraith]

lust makes it easier yes otherwise it is very tight

and you might even miss the dance extend either way

[hexed dagger]

got em

[indigo nexus]

With 4 set, if I understand it correctly, it's okay to fire sectech without supercharge cbp as long as it's still in the dance window while shadowblades is active. Is that correct?

[alpine wraith]

yea the optimization to try and supercharge it is hard to do without lust

[steel zinc]

Yes still this tier rogue and melee in general will be gutted

[hollow spear]

I hate that it's phyiscally painful not to craft the myth dagger rn

[vale osprey]

Are you concerned you'll get the 2nd boss one or that you'll lose the crests to the bug?

[alpine wraith]

thankfully i have my own alt to craft but the but would be disastrous

[cobalt patrol]

I'm sorry, what bug?

[vale osprey]

Apparently there's a small chance you lose your crests on recraft

[alpine wraith]

there is a chance if you recraft that you lose the mythic crests

but get the same item

[cobalt patrol]

Wow..

[vale osprey]

It didn't happen to me (or anyone I actually know) tho

[tribal blade]

put a ticket into blizz and i bet you get the "did you check resources like wowhead for answers"

from their automated system

[keen dome]

I wonder how common it is and if something else is at play

My craft worked fine

[slate nest]

gutted?

[old spindle]

Is it possible to "skew" stat values when you sim for example Dropimizer

with us being kinda hard stuck 18%ish (more around 700 haste) it makes simming quite iffy. is it possible to ADD or SUBTRACT haste from a sim to see what it would suggest if i had particular haste values?

[hot seal]

If we crafted dagger, is there any scenario we dont upgrade it till 2nd boss?

[alpine wraith]

a scenario where you want to watch your myth crests number go up

for some reason

[short radish]

gotta collect interest

[unreal silo]

is renown trinket really this good/other trinkets so bad? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/caN8ZAHiZQG3r9vC1vF3GV even the hc gaze only sims for 1.3k on max upgrades

[wind flicker]

Anyone use any other macros other than the sd+sectec one?

[slate nest]

Renown trinket is good until either vessel (ew) gaze or plume

[slate nest]

blades+sd+sectech
sd+storm (if I cant dance with full cp)
cdg+bp so I can always cast cdg when it's up in aoe and i dont have to think

I think these are the 4 best macros

(including dance+sectech)

[wind flicker]

U go blades+sd+sectec in that order?

[slate nest]

Yes

For the opener or every time blades is up

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[slate nest]

eh nevermind it's not here

Also do not use the trinket macro if you have guidon, it's bad

I am gonna repeat myself till the end of times (until blizz fix) about this xd

[wind flicker]

Appreciate the help guys!

[celest drum]

how do i use this trinket?

do i have to use this with my cds?

[alpine wraith]

you use it when you can

[wind flicker]

Do I just replace my bp button with the cdg+bp macro and just always press?

[alpine wraith]

it is a damage trinket

[celest drum]

Yea cause im running double on use

i assume i just use light with my cds

and other one just whenever

[sullen bridge]

Is trinket sims still not working?

[slate nest]

yes

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people, how was heroic for you, did you get good loot?

[slate nest]

Hey fuu!

[celest drum]

got last piece for 4set and lights company trinket

[vale pine]

oh nice, congrats

[slate nest]

I wish I did hc, I am raiding on friday (hopege for tier from normal and hc)

Also need to do lfr xd

[slate nest]

nooooo

Use lcg about 1 sec before cds

Trust me

[calm wing]

Gonna raid tonight, probably won't get anything tho

[olive canyon]

ive gone up 10ilvls through all this m+ farm

but would liek this damn flag trinket

[slate nest]

deepening shadows updates every 1 second so you can get lucky with getting deepening shadows if you cast trinket and only wait like 0.1-0.2 seconds but you need to wait a little for your dance otherwise your deepening won't give you longer dance

[olive canyon]

if i have to cast puzzle box one more god damn time

[wind flicker]

Im so sick of my puzzle

Lol

[plush olive]

drives me up a wall shadowstriking behind them then standing there with my dick (puzzlebox) in my hand

[olive canyon]

yep

[vale pine]

we did re-clear normal and a bit more than half of heroic yesterday

[olive canyon]

its like a meme (hold up im gonan fuck you up real hard once i get this cast off...stares at a huge pack of mobs)

[vale pine]

(we only raid 2.5h/raid day)

[wind flicker]

Why can't it just be instant and off gcd 😩

[plush olive]

they could have just made it instant use but it delays giving you the stats by 2 seconds

like its solved in the background

[wind flicker]

Ooo

That would work too

[vale pine]

puzzle box cast time for sure is annoying

[calm wing]

Not bad

[vale pine]

we have no rush

not top world rank

i did not get anything from hc so far tho

haha

[olive canyon]

heroic loot just comes down to trinkets for me at this stage.

[vale pine]

mostly for me too

i can catalyst my tier pieces

[calm wing]

I got two BoEs and thats all

[olive canyon]

I have the raiding bug again and kind of want to grind out mythic raids but its hard finding a place without experience that is recent

[vale pine]

nice, 🤑

[plush olive]

I snagged a sneaky gaze away from H chim after people bitched at the tanks / heals who rolled above me and somehow ended up in my lap

[calm wing]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11954040389595096870

They sold for a decent ammount since they had good stats

[vale pine]

most guilds are fine taking someone with less experience if the logs are decent/good, however probably not now

start of xpac has too many motivated players

but once the "honeymoon" phase ends

it's not too hard to (slowly) climp up to decent guilds

[calm wing]

True

[keen dome]

Don't forget the ever important "good vibes" part

[olive canyon]

We shall see, for now we plough m+

[calm wing]

Vibes > progress duh

[olive canyon]

My raiding history was all in US, but i went to EU since dragonflight and just lost all my contacts

[vale pine]

I found it rly difficult to find a guild that has a non toxic enviroment

[olive canyon]

and it was al ong time ago, im a retired hardcore retired in effect which means nothing

[keen dome]

You can probably find a pretty solid more casual Mythic group to start. Do a few with them, then swap (which is expected behaviour, tbh)

[vale pine]

especially when things get more competitive

people are animals

[keen dome]

Yeah, same.

It's why I puglord. Also schedules.

And I hate voice comm, too

Getting a few Mythic kills, good logs and you can leapfrog to somewhere better.

[calm wing]

I actually managed to find a good guild while having literally 0 experience and being a huntard, managed to get 6/8 M on Manaforge with them :P
and they are friendly

[vale pine]

I/We had 3 issues in raid yesterday

[warm vale]

guys what should i buy the silver hunt or gold , cuz the silver has higher recipe diffuculty does it mean its better?? im so confused

[keen dome]

Gold = better. All it does is reduce the skill requiered for the crafter

Silver makes it harder to craft, and thereby harder to hit Rank 5 with

[warm vale]

alrighty thank u @keen dome

[keen dome]

Always try to use gold quality (max rank) reageants

[vale pine]

• RC Loot council did bug out/break multiple times.
• Discord Voice Chat broke yesterday, we had to use the WoW in-game voice client
• My Nameplate addon randomly stopped working (some other people also had addons break)

[keen dome]

Haha, how was the in-game voice?

[wind flicker]

Oof

[calm wing]

That's crazy

[brisk onyx]

What nameplate addon do you use

[vale pine]

NameplateKAI, because it solved a problem for me

(basically was required to make wow playable)

[keen dome]

Weird performance issues with the new default nameplates, right?

[vale pine]

it seems fixed

[alpine wraith]

the gold one makes crafting easier

for the crafter

[vale pine]

but yes

the issue was my framerate went down to 2 fps when i used default nameplates

[keen dome]

Very strange problem and I really wonder what they did to break it for low spec hardware

[vale pine]

NameplateKai had an option to dissable default nameplate hooks/unload them so they couldn't cause issues

had because they now removed the option when reworking their configurations

(tho the code is still there from what i saw, so you could set it manually in the .lua config)

but i had no performance impact from normal nameplates in raid yesterday

so i think blizz solved whatever was causing the problem

[keen dome]

Neat

[last marten]

is there a way to track the first dance buff, without checking our buff bar ? xd

[alpine wraith]

there are addons that track it

[void ocean]

ofc

this addon cleanup is the best example of the Cobra Effect I can think of

[keen dome]

Cobra effect?

More issues rearing it's head as you get closer?

[slate nest]

ingame voice oof

[void ocean]

The "cobra effect" refers to
a phenomenon where an attempted solution to a problem backfires, making the situation worse due to perverse incentives. Coined by economist Horst Siebert, the term originates from a story set in British-ruled India, where a bounty on dead cobras led locals to breed them for profit.

[keen dome]

Oh, that makes sense

It's always the british

[slate nest]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[hollow spear]

I know stat weights are a meme, but it's kinda hilarious that the bot values haste lower than offhand dps beyond the threshold

[void ocean]

after they cancelled the incentive, cobra farmers released them to the wilderness and ended up having even more cobras around than before

[keen dome]

Hahaha

Yeah, that's a good analogy, esp with vibe coding being so rampant and bad

[shadow lance]

Goal was not to delete addons

But reduce the amount of mandatory tools

And reduce the gap between users and no users

[slate nest]

I love how they wanted to remove WAs but then the community decided to make most of the auras standalone addons

[keen dome]

Also man you've got a christmas hat on it's almost april. smh.

[slate nest]

Feeling jolly all year long

[void ocean]

yea goal was to have in game options which render addons obsolete and unnecessary, which is, judging by the amount of addons around, clearly not the case

[slate nest]

I mean, they wanted to implement in game what addons did without the addon creators help

if they legit employed the major addon creators we'd have good ingame options

but that isn't the case

for example the Better(insert ingame option name) addons, they are so much better

they ruined details bcs now I can't have the DETAILS of my dps, as funny as that sounds

just bcs they limited combat data access

[junior ether]

how to understand by logs what im doing wrong, no troll question, have no clue how to "read" them and compare

[craggy thunder]

does this discord have a list of some really good sub rogue macros?

i cant seem to find them

[junior ether]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[craggy thunder]

ah thank u

[slate nest]

Ignore the cooldowns macro

You dont use it

[craggy thunder]

this thing was hiding from me

i saw shindig use coup de grace black powder macro and i was like wtf...

so i had to come here

[slate nest]

Instead use:
#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[craggy thunder]

yea i cant use cd macros anyways im using the annoying puzzle box

[slate nest]

it's good, you use it for aoe and you don't have to track coup like that so it just uses it automatically

[craggy thunder]

thats an amazing macro black powder coup

insane

[vale pine]

just make sure to stay in melee

[craggy thunder]

def

[glacial stag]

yo thats an insane macro wtf

putting it rn lol

[craggy thunder]

thats what i said dude lol

[glacial stag]

yeah im just chocked lmao

[craggy thunder]

i was like wtf?

[slate nest]

Just make sure to put coup before bp

[glacial stag]

yup ofc

[slate nest]

otherwise it wont work

[glacial stag]

never thought abt it

but its rlly good

brain off with this

[craggy thunder]

its amazing

[slate nest]

I use 4 macros currently, one for bp coup, one for blades dance sectech, one for dance sectech and one for dance shuriken storm (if I ever have to dance without full cp)

These 4 addons legit doubled my overalls on keys xd

macros*

[wind flicker]

Wait i just checked wowhead and its telling me to to shadow dance->shadow blades->sectec

[slate nest]

@vale pine ?

is that better?

I mean I think it's the same outcome since it's all off gcd

So you just cast them the same frame anyways

[upbeat sorrel]

hi i read the FAQ about the AA optimizations and for the deathstalker the macro has shuriken storm which i understand since ShStrike will be delayed but how come its not a sectech like for trickster

[slate nest]

bcs you start dance on deathstalker with 0cp and on trickster with max cp

[upbeat sorrel]

ahh gotcha

[craggy thunder]

think its worth to put dance/storm together?

[slate nest]

Yes, because dance + shadow strike is slower by 0.2 seconds

[craggy thunder]

for trickster atleast

ahh

ok ill try that out

[slate nest]

You always want to have an insta cast spell for dance start so you don't waste time on first global

[craggy thunder]

true actually

[slate nest]

and since shadowstrike activates 0.2sec after dance you can't use that

[proper eagle]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[slate nest]

Also if I can recommend, just play trickster for every fight, deathstalker is theoretically better by like 1% if I remember correctly but you have to learn deathstalker stuff aswell and that will just make your brain leak

[verbal kelp]

Hey all, do we craft a third item next week? And what is that? I currently have dagger and belt

[slate nest]

Craft what you don't have on the same ilvl, it doesnt matter

Just make sure to not put embelish bcs you can't equip 3rd embelishment

[narrow shadow]

This kind of good overall? Not sure what numbers are you guys getting on 11s
When I finished the key I realized I had no flask so now I feel I could have squeezed out more

[wind flicker]

What dungeon was that and what's ur ilvl?

[narrow shadow]

mgt and I'm not sure exactly (had to log out ) but around 255

[slate nest]

Set?

[narrow shadow]

4 set, yes

[wind flicker]

Ahh

[slate nest]

Checks out

[wind flicker]

I was thinking 2 set and was like damn

[slate nest]

Im pulling 80k ish overall

253

0set

[wind flicker]

Seems on par imo

[narrow shadow]

Nice. I have seen some caster comps with like 200k overalls already

So I was like meh

[slate nest]

We are melee, we deserve to be below casters, blizzard hates us

[wind flicker]

Well thats normal

[narrow shadow]

Cries in melee

[slate nest]

I am almost certain I can pull better overall on my mage at 236 xd

But I didn't want to be 4th mage on raid, so i became the only rogue

Great Success

[wind flicker]

I did a +11 maisara and it feels god awful for melee. But im also not that great

[slate nest]

caverns is also garbage dungeon

[glacial stag]

Great power come with great responsibilities

u did the right thing

[wind flicker]

More loot for u 😄

[slate nest]

It's not since we share tier with mage if im not mistaken

[glacial stag]

we don't if i'm right

we have druids dh

[slate nest]

I can't remember

[glacial stag]

and another one im missing

[craggy thunder]

question team for M+ would heart of the wild be a better trinket than gale? i believe gale is better for raid from what wowhead is saying but at the same time i havent simed yet. just curious what ppls opinions are

[glacial stag]

isnt it monks

[grizzled hornet]

Tier set are now shared with the armor type

[slate nest]

Ahhh

Okay

So leather

[glacial stag]

dont know bro, gaze box is rlly strong i believe

[slate nest]

I just checked my raid

[glacial stag]

but always sim just to be sure

[slate nest]

It's me and our tank brew for tier xd

[craggy thunder]

yea gale is fire

[wind flicker]

Did u try sim?

[slate nest]

I also saw 4 mages so I'd be 5th frost mage if I was there

[glacial stag]

noice lol

[craggy thunder]

not yet but i might as well

[glacial stag]

u should be good

[grizzled hornet]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slate nest]

I saw 1 tier for leather, lost to the tank last raid

[grizzled hornet]

but always sim

[wind flicker]

Dungeon slice and patchwerk

[slate nest]

I can tell right now, gale is better, if heart was on use haste you'd be using heart but random proc haste is worse than stacking random proc agility

[wind flicker]

Not having to use puzzlebox even with a small dmg nerf might be some nice qol xD

[glacial stag]

yeah that trinket is cancer

[slate nest]

Still better than fuckin vessel

[glacial stag]

but its so good too

[wind flicker]

Its like a sour patch

[slate nest]

If I have a choice to use puzzlebox or vessel, Im choosing puzzlebox every time

[wind flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sour-patch-kid-sour-patch-sour-patch-kids-sorry-im-sorry-gif-1501453963945818477

[slate nest]

are those candy good? I'm eu so I never had any

[drifting ether]

Crazy

[glacial stag]

nice one

i kinda feel like 4p is messing up with logs

yesterday night was a blast for me too

Was like wtf lol

[wind flicker]

4piece is cracked

o.o

[drifting ether]

Sub feels alot better to play with 4p

[glacial stag]

yeah for once its really game changer

[slate nest]

I think you can't do orange without 4set xd

or at least 2

[drifting ether]

Ya you can i did orange with 2p

97

[slate nest]

Will see friday what I can get

[glacial stag]

in any case next week ull get the 2nd cata

2p is rlly good too atm

[tepid trellis]

we need sub buffs immediatedly

[slate nest]

At least 2p if I get scammed by lfr rolls or raid xd

[glacial stag]

https://klipy.com/gifs/boss-59

[wind flicker]

Going from 0p to 2p felt pretty good ngl

[slate nest]

Or just make sure people with 0p can compete with 4p

[glacial stag]

yeah but that would mean for it to be trash

which is never a good thing imo

[plush pilot]

whats the strat for the vanguard fight? spam SS and BP?

[slate nest]

Im not saying make us do 99 with 0p but I dont want 14% buff just from getting the 4p

[glacial stag]

Yeah i spammed BP all the fight yesterday

worked pretty decent

but youll end up 10th lol

anyway

[plush pilot]

yeah was 8th lol

[tepid trellis]

the stronger the tierset the better imo

makes it feel good to go from patch to patch

[wind flicker]

Yall using cleave talent build or the st one? In raid

[tepid trellis]

and gives you something to work for

[glacial stag]

i use cleave for all but the 2nd of voidspire

[wind flicker]

Bet. Was doin the same

[glacial stag]

yeah its kinda the only st fight

[craggy thunder]

whats the max amount of mobs we hit with shuriken and black powder? is it 5 or 8?

[glacial stag]

no cap

[wind flicker]

Uncapped?

[glacial stag]

like hard cap

[wind flicker]

Yee

[craggy thunder]

oh shiet

i didnt know that

[glacial stag]

but you lose damage with more targets

[glacial stag]

yeah it was pretty bad days lol

[tepid trellis]

20

[craggy thunder]

u lost damage? how do u lost dmg?

[short radish]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[glacial stag]

oh so theres a hard cap??

[wind flicker]

Imagine no diminishing returns

[glacial stag]

mb then

[short radish]

SENT MY ENTIRE COOLDOWNS WH EN BOSS WAS EMPOWERED AND HAD DR

[tepid trellis]

yes 20

[short radish]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[wind flicker]

Ooo

[short radish]

fuck first boss

[tepid trellis]

its like that for all aoe spells in the game

[short radish]

and still 0 guideons

[craggy thunder]

thx for this!

[tepid trellis]

thats "soft capped"

[glacial stag]

like theres less damage the more mobs youre hitting

[tepid trellis]

its square root scaling

[tribal blade]

lol our tank did that today to us

[tepid trellis]

so after 8 it kinda stops doing more

[craggy thunder]

ohh it balances it out basically. i understand. but its still the best option to do

[tribal blade]

btw can we get aoe blind already, it's so tilting doing keys without aoe cc

[craggy thunder]

ahh ok ok

[short radish]

sorry we're not a dk 🙂

[ornate reef]

1 question, why use:
/cast shadow dance
/cast Secret Technique
no its better :
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique ??

[tribal blade]

please sir, a crumb of utility

[short radish]

[alpine wraith]

when you do a key with a boomkin or monk or dh

and they have 4 aoe stops

a buff

[tribal blade]

YUP

YUP

YUP

[alpine wraith]

and you dont to 30% more dps than them

AAAAaaAaAaAaA

[wind flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-gif-23166194

[tribal blade]

the only place i feel useful is being able to kidney the bird on last boss of skyreach

[tulip light]

but we have shadow clones 🙂

[olive canyon]

I feel that

[glacial stag]

yeah thats badass tbh

[olive canyon]

what feels bad is a 13 seat where i made the stupid choice to cheapshot during dance

[short radish]

i've been enjoying pretending impvping

[olive canyon]

to save my shaman

[short radish]

full stun full stun

[olive canyon]

i regretted it

[short radish]

i cheap next

[tribal blade]

yeah it's kinda fun

feels a bit less fun in mass aoe

kinda bricking dance to cheap instead of genning 7 cps

[olive canyon]

for those who have done heroics this week, which fights are you running PP over WM on?

[olive canyon]

100%

[tribal blade]

don't run PP on 2nd boss or crown

[short radish]

10s are so easy anyway i stopped caring

[tribal blade]

every other boss you can

[tribal blade]

lol true

me and my guildies did the last key of the night a few hours ago

[olive canyon]

chest pieces are a myth

[shy scarab]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tribal blade]

and everyone was so tired we fucked up the entire dungeon over and over

had at least 5 wipes

had to reset 1st boss 2 times

and still 2 chested it

[frail kindle]

imagine a world where atrophic poison was good

[olive canyon]

the 13 seat was the same, had a shaman die 8 times, one wipe on a boss, stilled timed

[wind flicker]

Solo delving world

😂

[tribal blade]

oh yeah the timer on seat is very free

it's funny doing these keys with the thought in the back of my mind how i'm gonna deal with all this stuff at title range and feeling stressed out even though i know i'm not pushing

[keen dome]

4-set time 🙏

[ornate reef]

1 question, why use:
/cast shadow dance
/cast Secret Technique
no its better :
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique ??

[tribal blade]

HUGE

[tribal blade]

if you want to use the 2nd macro you need the 1st macro seperate too

[keen dome]

It only cost me a lot of gold to buy from a very nice monk, but I can do it

[olive canyon]

welcome to the game @keen dome

its game changing

[tribal blade]

wouldn't advise using only the 2nd macro

[ornate reef]

ohhh true , yes , now understand ty ty

[nocturne shale]

yall make me wanna convert 2 vet pieces

[tribal blade]

if that makes 4 set go for it

[olive canyon]

honestly 4p then farming and hoping for cata charges is the play

[wind flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-smile-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-ian-mcdiarmid-gif-12276403864815224151

[nocturne shale]

def not

[olive canyon]

upgrade them as you get more charges

[nocturne shale]

it would make 2 set

[tribal blade]

ah then sad

[nocturne shale]

out of spite

lucky bastards…

[glacial stag]

yeah i catalyzed 2p on champ gear

already have dropped 2 catalyst charges

so definitely the play

[olive canyon]

I basically got 1 piece from raid, then cata'd one, 1 from vault, then cata'd the other from 2k rating

[keen dome]

Yeee, best plan

[wind flicker]

How yall have 2 charges already? I still only have 1

[glacial stag]

when u get the 4p

[keen dome]

2k from M+ gives a charge

[glacial stag]

you start to drop cata charges random

[wind flicker]

No shitttt

[olive canyon]

yep

[fossil forge]

Incredibly real i timed a 10 +2 with 235 ilvl

[wind flicker]

Just need to do my last two dungeons at +2 and i can 4p then

o.o

[glacial stag]

yep and then you will start dropping more of them

to replace the bad piece you catalyzed before

[wind flicker]

First thing im doing when I wake up in the morning

Thanks for the info 🙏

[slate nest]

Cata charges dropping after getting 4set is the best thing

[jaunty heath]

Not seeing rogue during rwf is crazy tech

[fossil forge]

How often do they drop though

[slate nest]

I hate rwf ngl, hyper optimizing and ruining the economy in the meantime by distributing millions of gold

[reef crater]

!log

[vale osprey]

Guys I'm in for first 2 mythic tonight send prayers for my Guidon and dagger 🙏

[near herald]

also for alts?

[slate nest]

Idk

I think it's character bound

[grizzled hornet]

that was changed, its char bound

[sick epoch]

I assume shadow focus works with shadow dance too?? Or just stealth?

[grizzled hornet]

think of shadow dance = stealth

[sick epoch]

Yeah that's what I was thinning, thank you ❤️ I was just wondering why is gloomblade there, this talent existing next to shadow focus....

[grizzled hornet]

gloomblade is an improved backstab

[sick epoch]

Yeah but it is on a row which is never gona be used for sure 😂

[slate nest]

And it's not usable since you wanna minimize your backstab usage xd

[sick epoch]

Aight ty guys

[slate nest]

And you have better talents

[grizzled hornet]

a lot of talents are never going to be used, but this conversation is a different topic

[slate nest]

I miss the old dragonflight debates of Sepsis vs Flag (I was playing pvp and used Sepsis)

[rigid torrent]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hallow torrent]

hi, any1 would like help me a bit on rotation issues i got ? i know is funny, but i think i somehow missunderstood something in spec

[slate nest]

Shoot

[hallow torrent]

i do quite well in m+ , ion over 10, from like 1 hour,with over 110k dps

but in raid, my logs are grey

[slate nest]

Tell me your average rotation for raid

[hallow torrent]

so i ,in 2 targets

i do use BP or evisc?

my rot,is showdowstrike, over 6 cb,i evic

on showdodance i got macro with seqtech

but i donty know if i have to keep

sectech, only when am on dancer

and never use it outside of dance

do i have to wait all th time,till dance come up?

[slate nest]

yes, only use sectech in dance

[hallow torrent]

so, unlees i got dance

i do not use it

[night furnace]

and only with the 2 extra combo points right?

[slate nest]

And only with supercharged cp

[night furnace]

yeah

[hallow torrent]

yes is supercharged ok

got that mistake

so i got 2x dance

i delay the 2nd dance for the sectech

or use it

and on 3rd dance waity for sectech

i do got , 21 crit, 20 haste, 64mastery unbuffed

[slate nest]

For opener, you use shadow blades and you want to use 2 dance during that

[hallow torrent]

on blades am ok

i do the perfect rot

with 2x dance

2x sectech

outside of that seems i do got issues

[slate nest]

Outside blades you only dance when you have sectech

[hallow torrent]

ok

thats one mistake then

[grizzled hornet]

this depends if you got 4set or not, you could sec tec with blades in 2nd dance

[hallow torrent]

i do

i got 4set yesterday

mythic weapon, trinkets etc

got light guidon

macro on blades

[slate nest]

No

That's not good

[hallow torrent]

what is not good?

every says is bis trinket on sub

[slate nest]

Use guidon, wait 1 second, then blades

[hallow torrent]

so first use trinket

anbd then the rest?

[fossil sluice]

sorry unrelated- does anyone have a trinket tier list for sub by any chance?

[fossil forge]

!bis

Gg nvm

[grizzled hornet]

fuu guide on wowhead

[slate nest]

yes, you trinket, wait then blades+dance+sectech

[fossil sluice]

got you, appreciate 😎

[solar kestrel]

did they fix recrafts yet or are they still stealing crests

[grizzled hornet]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856897746128207892

[quaint breach]

can you clarify this? taking notes

[grizzled hornet]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[night furnace]

the bottom talent in ur left tree

[slate nest]

So you know when you go into dance you get 2 blue combo points right? Only use sectech when you have those

[night furnace]

when u use shadowdance u supercharge

so if u have full cp + 2 supercharged u actually get for example 7 instead of 5 power usage

[slate nest]

But it's better to macro dance + sectech so you don't have to think about it

[quaint breach]

as ok, always use sectech directly after sd but didnt know super charge was guaranteed

[grizzled hornet]

in TWW when you were using symbols you were supercharging your next 2 finishers, this was implemented into shadow dance as symbols were pruned

[slate nest]

yes, in midnight you get supercharge with dance

[short radish]

@tribal blade puzzle box gaming gang gang

[tribal blade]

NICE

[short radish]

fuck guideons

fuck tick timers

just solve the puzzle

[night furnace]

when do u use it then if it has 2min cd and ur cds r 1.5m?

[shadow snow]

fak the puzzle, it breaks my stealth

[hazy breach]

Every other

[tribal blade]

lol i can't wait until it's "fuck puzzlebox fuck cast times just wait the 1 second timer"

[slate nest]

every 3 minutes

[night furnace]

actually?

we dont wait 30sec longer for blades instead?

[short radish]

no

well

depends

[hallow torrent]

so next question,for raid how much haste do i need? i got 20 haste, 21 crit,and 65% mastery

[short radish]

you can wait 30 seconds if you don't lose a cast of sblade

[tribal blade]

situationally you can do that

[night furnace]

wdym

[short radish]

so this boss died at 6min (enrage)

[hazy breach]

~700

[night furnace]

ah

[tribal blade]

if over the course of an encounter you don't lost a cast of blades

[slate nest]

dont use % you want 700 haste, then you do rest in mastery crit

[short radish]

so if i casted every 3 min i wouldnt get a 3rd use on the 6min

[tribal blade]

it's probably easier to do that in keys

[hallow torrent]

ok i got 662 haste

ll fix it,thanks a lot

[slate nest]

Np

I dont actually know, is it still 700 haste with guidon?

[tribal blade]

yes

[slate nest]

Okay

[tribal blade]

or else you won't have enough haste for every dance besides just the x2 in blades

[short radish]

i wonder how fight dependent it is tbh

with puzzle box

[tribal blade]

yeah like i heard using puzzlebox blows on king saladhar

or at least it's dangerous

[short radish]

because 5:30 fight syncing puzzlebox with 2nd pot

feels kinda big?

[jaunty heath]

ye sending second puzzle with adds right?

[short radish]

idk i just send

[jaunty heath]

i mean it just line up

[short radish]

it does but it also feels awkward switching targets around like that

also

[fossil forge]

double on use tech v2

[short radish]

puzzle box timing does NOT line up with adds

[jaunty heath]

idk i got heroic guidon as nobody else play it

[tribal blade]

udk def does

if you have one of those

[jaunty heath]

propably not in my split

[tribal blade]

nice lucky

[random mason]

I got guidons over the 2 uh dks in the raid

[jaunty heath]

yeah dk and warr in second split

but my loot prio on gaze propably very low 😄

that rep trinket will stay for a while

[tribal blade]

fun having 1 easy trink to get

and 1 very difficult

[slate nest]

Just get from vault

[jaunty heath]

rogue in weird spot anyway

[random mason]

Tbh if you take out dragons and vanguard the raid is pretty fine for rogue on hc

[short radish]

yeah but heroic nothing matters

[tribal blade]

i'm not overly worried because i'm beating the MM and locks in my guild in raid atm

[slate nest]

When rogue best class?

[carmine portal]

rogue only raid when?

[tribal blade]

last tier

[slate nest]

when rogue stack?

[tribal blade]

kind of

[junior ether]

do we use SD if sectech not coming in like 2 seconds and if we're not holding for blades?

[tribal blade]

max even said last tier "we should have brought more rogues"

[short radish]

this was me channeling puzzle box and cancelling it TWICE before sending at 5min

because poop puddles spawning on me

fuck puzzle box

[tribal blade]

THERE IT IS

[slate nest]

outside blades you dance with sectech, otherwise you hold

[short radish]

[short radish]

the duality of man

[tribal blade]

in before we're back to hating guidons again

[junior ether]

so for example if i got out of burst, my sechtech is 10 sec cd and i have 1 dance - i just hold until i can combine them with tech?
Like when tech gonna be 2 seconds cd - i can start dance?

[slate nest]

Fimbul will be happy once they fix shadowblades and we can macro guidon to burst xd

[short radish]

true

gotta get one of those guideons though

[slate nest]

I said shadowblades not the actual talent name

[tribal blade]

the way i'm sending guidons with cds is starting to fuck me up sometimes

because i'm doing guidons>blades during 1 sec wait>dance+sectec macro

but pressing all that i can brain fart and mess it up

because piano

[short radish]

yeah thats kinda cursed

gmgm

[slate nest]

I only use dance when I can either instantly sectech with it or when I have 0cp I use it with shuriken storm then insta sectech

[tribal blade]

might just macro dance+sectec with blades

[short radish]

i think i might end up macro'ing it with shadowstrike

[tribal blade]

for 1 less button press

and full afk 1 sec

[short radish]

defs do that

that macro so chill

[tribal blade]

only issue is there's rare cases i go into blades window with 0 CP

[slate nest]

press one more global

[tribal blade]

doesn't happen often, but can happen when trying to do super tight timing for w/e reason

[hollow spear]

It definitely is more than 0.2 seconds a lot of times

[short radish]

make a new macro/press sdance+strike then press the macro

[hollow spear]

If I am too trigger happy, my dances are definitely not buffed

[tribal blade]

not more macros por favor

[tribal blade]

oh interesting

yeah could work

i have a button for dance+strike macro already anyways

[slate nest]

Macro your macros! And the. you can macro effectively

[short radish]

thats what iv'e been doing if i fuck up

[slate nest]

Macro

[tribal blade]

from way back when

[tall girder]

does ur macro include boxing late fimb

[hollow spear]

you kinda lost me with the dance strike macro

what is that supposed to rectify

[slate nest]

dance + strike macro

[tribal blade]

i used to use dance+strike macro all the time before they broke it

[slate nest]

Yes

Because it was good before it was broken

[hollow spear]

I am just wondering in what circumstances we are supposed to use this

[short radish]

idk i just feelycraft shit

[hollow spear]

I am not sure if it was ever not broken, the 0.2 seconds just didn't matter

[slate nest]

When for example you get into a dance window (either blades dance sectech or just normal dance sectech) and you have 0 cp

[hollow spear]

Now you are frothing at the mouth if you are at 640 haste only

[tribal blade]

it def used to work, i think it was either during TWW or DF beta i was on the ptr

[tall girder]

based opener tho

[tribal blade]

used dance+strike macro and was like "wtf is going on why isn't it going off"

then the TCs discovered blizz broke it

and never fixed it

[hollow spear]

whoda guessed

[slate nest]

Oh no

[vale pine]

haha

[slate nest]

It has been too long

[vale pine]

3% buff fixed everything

[slate nest]

They can't fix it now

[hollow spear]

Vanguard is just doomed, no matter what they do

[keen dome]

I assume Charrend is the outlier dot. Hoarding all the damage.

[tribal blade]

they would have to do some insane knob tuning with nimble to fix this

or BP

[vale pine]

to be fair a lot of things broke over time

[tribal blade]

but then we'd become god mode in keys

[vale pine]

e.g.

[tribal blade]

so there's no winning

[vale pine]

you used to use stealth in dance

[tribal blade]

that's true

[hollow spear]

they've "deved" us into a corner again

[keen dome]

imagine how good we would be if nimble still worked like it did in TWW

[vale pine]

shadow dance was allowed to be used during shadow dance

[alpine wraith]

i find rogue fixes funny because sometimes they just give up

[fossil forge]

No1 cares About keys though so it might be a win

[alpine wraith]

like with stealth and dance in legion

nightstalker

subterfuge

[vale pine]

the reason it isn't anymore was that they broke the initial "short" gcd lock

and instead of fixing that

[tribal blade]

i know a LOT of people who care about keys 😉

[vale pine]

they just made it so you can't use it during

[fossil forge]

I didnt mean it like that bossman

[alpine wraith]

i think there may be more people that care about keys than raid nowadays

[short radish]

i'd laugh so hard if they buffed black powder back to what it was before (and fix nothing)

[alpine wraith]

they just arent as loud

raiders are elite crybabies

[fossil forge]

I meant the higher ups blizzard mans care About raid more

[slate nest]

Anything in the code that is at least 2 expansions old is ancient text and they can't touch it bcs they don't understand the spaghetti

[tribal blade]

they for sure do

[alpine wraith]

copilot may nuke the code

[tribal blade]

so maybe it actually does happen

[alpine wraith]

and im all for it

[short radish]

honestly just delete the class and set us all free

[fossil forge]

We can expect 8% bp buff.

[hollow spear]

they treat it like archaeologists treat some ancient Egyptian wall carvings

[alpine wraith]

@copilot please try to fix rogue bugs without breaking them

[fossil forge]

[alpine wraith]

and it just deletes all builders

[slate nest]

true

[alpine wraith]

no more bugs you cant use finishers anymore!

[slate nest]

except storm

[hollow spear]

I am sure glad that they fixed MM being too strong on Vanguard

[alpine wraith]

they can nerf bear again

[slate nest]

Hunter is blizz lovechild, it can never be too weak bcs most of their devs play hunter (i assume)

[hollow spear]

idk

[tribal blade]

hunter is one of the most popular classes in game

[vale pine]

i think there is a certain irony

[chrome quiver]

Mages is their love child

hunters is just the most popular

[keen dome]

What if they all are their lovechild

[vale pine]

because i remember having this discussions in here

[hollow spear]

if I ask 5 people what Blizzard's "lovechild" is, I'll get 8 different classes in reply

[vale pine]

basically, our cleave was, while not insane, quite fine in tww

[keen dome]

It's ranger and warden

[vale pine]

when they changed nimble flurry

[dense coyote]

Were we buffed yesterday ? Or anytime recently ?

[vale pine]

i remember a lot of people argued that its only better from what we had before

so we get the same benefits

[tribal blade]

we're back to having cleave issues because of storm CP gen

[vale pine]

my concern was, that we wouldn't

[tribal blade]

storm is now 50 energy

kinda cursed

[alpine wraith]

problem is just finishers arent as strong again

[slate nest]

3% yes

[vale pine]

turns out, we didn't

and just got less damage in cleave

[slate nest]

wait huh?

[alpine wraith]

so now you do have bp but

[vale pine]

that too

[dense coyote]

I’m parsing 95-99’s and I’m the third from lowest in most fights in raid

[alpine wraith]

biggest problem is they nerfed 3 things in a combo

[hollow spear]

I think damage wise we are actually pretty good in keys

[slate nest]

[alpine wraith]

where do i have it

[hollow spear]

it's "only" cleave that absolutely sucks

[alpine wraith]

we have a meme from legion

[tribal blade]

i dunno if they make a talent "BP now strikes twice for X% effectiveness when it hits 4 targets or less"

[vale pine]

our aoe is good

but also not insane

[alpine wraith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/823082725296701450/ezgif-3-662cd802c0f4.gif?ex=69c62585&is=69c4d405&hm=c2aaca660c03c44587e32aafbea7a3ff53c20d105c6233a2df51ec8587a30fab&

[hollow spear]

I don't need "insane"

The problem is that we are now at a point where they cant move

if they tune our cleave, we will be insane

[dense coyote]

We need to complain to blizzard

[alpine wraith]

insane at being top 10

[dense coyote]

They need to tune our single target up

[vale pine]

i think the argument was

[alpine wraith]

maybe they do care too much about m+

because we are "fine" there

[hollow spear]

our single target is fine

[vale pine]

that nimble made tuning harder

[slate nest]

I remember being top dps as sin in EN

[vale pine]

but i think its harder to tune now

[tall girder]

heroic cosmos sucks

[vale pine]

because, if you buff BP, you always buff aoe

[dense coyote]

It not though our sustained single target is not good sorry

[alpine wraith]

you mean only 40% behind the shadow priest?

or 20% behind the warrior in nya

[slate nest]

Maybe my raid was garbage xd

And I was just decent

[hollow spear]

what are you smoking?

[alpine wraith]

i had to play spriest in EN

because it literally did double dmg

than my rogue

[vale pine]

but our cleave damage is at least 30% behind

which is actually funny

[dense coyote]

I’m parsing 95’s-99’s in raid and am always second to last or third from lowest

[alpine wraith]

i guessed we could be good snipers and we can be

[hollow spear]

and is that all single target or what

[dense coyote]

So I’m not smoking anything and we need to be tuned up

[alpine wraith]

but after the nerf we cant even do that

[hollow spear]

which fight in raid is single target

[vale pine]

because it means, the entire bp/nimble nerf was technically overnerfing

[slate nest]

There is no single target fight in this raid

[short radish]

i miss our cleave so much

[hollow spear]

"my parses are good and I'm behind". Conclusion: "our single target sucks".

[vale pine]

i mean its a hot take

[alpine wraith]

from few days ago guess how much dps did the top dps on this fight

[vale pine]

but i did like nimble before

where you had more decisions

[alpine wraith]

i take bets

[vale pine]

the main argument people had against it

[hollow spear]

idk if you had to make more decisions

[vale pine]

was that aoe vs. st was not super obviouse

[hollow spear]

it's just different cutoffs now

[vale pine]

my argument for it is

[tribal blade]

middle of the pack on 2nd boss

[fossil forge]

Nimble was peak !!

[vale osprey]

What fight and I'll tell ya

[tribal blade]

if you just look at boss dam

[vale pine]

even if you palyed it wrong

[alpine wraith]

you cant have too much info!

[vale pine]

you did not lose as much

the diffrence beteen evis/bp was within low %

[dense coyote]

That sucks

[hollow spear]

Nerf sin!

[vale pine]

so the evis/bp threashold was actually not that punishing

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[vale pine]

and most people could just evis up to like 5-8 targets

[vale osprey]

I'll say that any blaster on an actual good class if you did 85 probably did...105k?

[tribal blade]

that's literally the definition of not sucking

[vale pine]

and never care

[vale osprey]

Maybe 115k

[vale pine]

and only BP once you go AOE

[tribal blade]

sucking would be bottom of the charts

[slate nest]

no no, buff sub

[dense coyote]

Middle is not good

[vale pine]

we look good/decent on the single target fights

[hollow spear]

Cooked take factory

[vale pine]

its just, these are very early in the raid

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not good but not bad

[fossil forge]

guys If we keep bottom damage we are gonna get buffed

[vale pine]

and we can pad on dragons

[vale osprey]

Brother play the class because you enjoy it not because it's the best

[vale pine]

[dense coyote]

Not good is bad

[alpine wraith]

almost there yea top dps did 120k actually

[tribal blade]

i give up

[vale pine]

and chimerus

[vale osprey]

Damn my second guess of 115 was close

[dense coyote]

Oh I enjoy it in pvp but that’s it

[alpine wraith]

it was salhadar nm

[teal coral]

You should give down instead, or give middle?

[slate nest]

let's everyone just grey parse so they think we got overnerfed and they buff us

[tribal blade]

LOL

[vale pine]

or give in

😛

[tribal blade]

you know it took me a second to figure out what you wrote

[vale osprey]

Ah makes sense

PvP enjoyer
PvE whinger

[vale pine]

there will be more tuning

so we will see ^^

[dense coyote]

Well it’s just very underwhelming in pve 🤷‍♂️ it’s just true

[olive canyon]

anyone have any idea why the note section doesnt appear when LFG through the dungeon finder

[vale pine]

i think for most parts

rogue is fine

its just weak for a pure dps class without raid utility

[slate nest]

dw, we are getting nerfed in pvp soon, we are oneshotting, so enjoy it while it lasts, we will be back to stunslutting in no time

[hollow spear]

I think we are just cursed with the current iteration

[fossil forge]

@tribal blade unc how are you still pulling 12 hour shifts

On wow

[vale pine]

blizz just needs more time to cook stuff up

[hollow spear]

Don't think they have the "tuning levers" for easy fixes rn

[vale pine]

i do think so

[keen dome]

It's a knob, not a lever, imo

[vale pine]

you can overtune everything

and make it good

[hollow spear]

But they won't

is my point

[vale pine]

nerfing the good classes is also a way to boost up the middle of the pack

^^

[tribal blade]

oh i'm not playing the game the whole time

[midnight iron]

is this opener correct

[alpine wraith]

well well

[tribal blade]

also i found out discord will sometimes show me playing wow for WAY longer than i actually have been

[hollow spear]

Yes, you casted a little too many spells after your 2nd shadowstrike

[fossil forge]

I had a crazy run yday. 17 hour shift finished lvling + stole all raid items and timed 2 10s but i am

[tribal blade]

i think guildies saw me once online for something like 24-48 hours before or something stupid

[hidden wasp]

Hi guys, I might be asking the most dumb question, does it actually matter if you use Shadow Blades 0.1 seconds befoee Shadow dance? or cann you use them in any order if macrod together

[tribal blade]

which is impossible

[fossil forge]

I once had 84 hours played on genshin in 1 sitting.

[slate nest]

10 second of nothing goes crazy ngl

[tribal blade]

lol yeah waking up at 4am to do keys before raid was something

that night was the best sleep i've gotten in over a year

[hollow spear]

Timing your trinket and cooldowns pretty on point into doing nothing for the rest of the window goes HARD

[fossil forge]

Feeling full everything done

Good sleeps.

[tribal blade]

JEEsus

[hollow spear]

Is this a degen off? 😄