subtlety

[crystal bone]

even if u only get it twice in a dungeon, it is already more value than weaponmaster

[slate nest]

wdym we have new proto drakes there! It's so cool, random trash mobs have more polygons on their ass than bosses wooooo

[crystal bone]

that talent is ass

[valid tartan]

damn fr?

[crystal bone]

that was the value all of TWW

i assume it didnt change much

[valid tartan]

what about veiltouched over weaponmaster

[swift tinsel]

it went up

weaponmaster*

[hazy breach]

Weaponmaster is way better now, but its still just pure ST

[crystal bone]

that's good at least

[slate nest]

Use finality and potent powder on aoe, ignore weaponmaster and first dance

At least that's what im doing on aoe

[swift tinsel]

tfd is good in m+

[slate nest]

Might need to reconsider my m+ talents then

[swift tinsel]

dances are strong

[slate nest]

So you tfd instead of finality?

[swift tinsel]

are you speccing 2/2 finality?

[slate nest]

1/2

It's just so I have something better than weaponmaster for aoe

But I guess tfd could work

Just need to tell my tank to wait 6sec after each pack

[swift tinsel]

it happens naturally often

[slate nest]

I mean yeah, on spire you can get almost constant tfd bcs you pull each room together

And you pull the hallways with the rooms

So you can get consistend tfd procs

[tidal coral]

do yall generally think maisara trink isnt worth the headache

[swift tinsel]

nope it sucks

[slate nest]

fuck vessel

You can't see it

Purple orbs in purple raid?

Tyvm blizzard

or at least I think they're purple

Tbf I only tried it once

[short radish]

i fucking hate UHDK

if they didnt exist

[slate nest]

Then vendored it

[short radish]

this trinket might be okay

[short radish]

theyre more greenish

it hink

i also only used it once

[slate nest]

I got so many from caverns

I either vendored or traded them

I dont want that shit

[swift tinsel]

I just don't like that dungeon in general

[slate nest]

Still better than row or den so im happy its here instead of those 2

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna get my portal for caverns and never touch it again

[slate nest]

I think all dungeons this tier are at least okay

[rain stratus]

Are you guys fully upgrading both spark items this week? Or only weapon, and then crafting another myth piece?

[swift tinsel]

I'm just doing wep this week

[rain stratus]

Then just leaving rest of the 170 myth crests for items you might get in raid?

[swift tinsel]

vault

we won't see mythic raid for a few weeks

[rain stratus]

Wouldn’t you be able to both upgrade a vault item, and craft, at that rate?

[chilly kite]

feel like with how fast people got that first boss down, and it dropping our bis trinket, guilds should try it. its probably not as hard as the journal makes it out too

[swift tinsel]

probs

[swift tinsel]

that's not how our guild works

we don't touch mythic until we're at least 2/3 of the way through hc

[astral axle]

i love rogue :)

[chilly kite]

mine either, ima prolly try to pug it i'm sure there will be some chad pug groups out near the end of the week.

[swift tinsel]

I might look at it this weekend

idk

would like to get 2x myth down for a vault slot at least for chance at guidon or tier

[chilly kite]

having our bis on use be from the first boss, makes it 100% worth trying to get it

[swift tinsel]

10's are free this week so thats 3x myth vault chances too

I need to get these cata charges dropping so I can bump my ilvl back up after saccing it for lfr tier

done a handful of m+ and delves after getting feat of str and none yet

[keen dome]

they're free this week with our low iLevel

imagine how free they are gonna be in 2 weeks

[woeful rain]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[swift tinsel]

We were just shy of timing 10’s on our first yolo foray into them at 250 with no tier, have since crafted myth wep and got 4pc so they’re gonna literally explode lol

[astral axle]

yeah keys are breezy

[keen dome]

gimme some tier haptics

gimme it

[tepid trellis]

so far the loot luck in m+ is not going too well

[swift tinsel]

Had literal hand of god luck in lfr last night to get it lol

[astral axle]

i was expecting some more resistance as you get higher but things just kinda fall over. you have to really donk up to not time

[swift tinsel]

Went from 0-4pc by getting the exact two pieces I needed

After rolling sub-20 on literally every drop in raid tonight on a full clear of void and rift

The most insane turnaround luck I’ve ever had haha

[keen dome]

I'm still annoyed that my vault only gave me 2 heroic items when it said I had 3 slots unlocked (and 6 bosses dead)

[swift tinsel]

That’s super weird

[keen dome]

I imagine it's because I had 5/6 Voidspire and 1/1 Dreamrift and it just didn't work properly

[swift tinsel]

Ah yeah maybe

[twin trench]

we still just shadowstrike in dance or do we shuriken storm?

[keen dome]

A very blizzard bug

[swift tinsel]

That was something I was wondering about since there’s gonna be three raids worth of bosses contributing to vault

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

And if wires were going to get crossed

[keen dome]

it didn't matter much since the item it rolled was bunk but it woudl've been infurating if it was the trinket or tier

[swift tinsel]

We also had a couple of people win rolls and just not get the gear from raid too

Nor did it show up in their mail

[keen dome]

geez

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah that would tilt me off the planet

[keen dome]

oh yeah, the weekly delve quest can drop raid gear

A guildie got the Voidspire very rare neck from it and it dropped at 6/6 Champ

[swift tinsel]

Yep! Got champ alleria neck

[keen dome]

Wild

[swift tinsel]

Yeah was very surprised it was in their pool

[keen dome]

Good change though

[swift tinsel]

But def not mad lol

Yeah agreed, afaik it’s just tier that’s blacklisted from the raid boxes

[keen dome]

Having that stuff award raid items is a good shift from the normal junk

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

Also legit jumped out of my chair seeing you can get 20 myth crests weekly from 11 delves on top of the gilded ones

So 40

Nice lil buffer

[keen dome]

Wait you do?

That's nice

[swift tinsel]

Which makes me think labyrinths will drop myth natty or in vault

[keen dome]

God that'd be so good

[swift tinsel]

Yeah the weekly Cracked Keysyone quest drops in 11’s and gives 20 myths crests and 20 hero crests from finishing a +2 lmao

[keen dome]

more loot accessibility (which this season is doing realy well with the crest changes!) is so good for the game imo

[keen dome]

It's weekly??

[swift tinsel]

Yeah agreed

[keen dome]

last season it was once and done

the intro to keystones

[swift tinsel]

I thought it was weekly

Ah nvm then

[keen dome]

Sadly not. It's the intro into keystones since a Delve 11 is a little less difficult than a +2 (kinda)

[swift tinsel]

I might just be thinking it was bc I ran delves on so many alts lol

[keen dome]

So it's to push people from that into other content with a powerful incentive

[swift tinsel]

And got the quest a ton

Yeah makes sense contextually

Getting 40% of your weekly myth crests from delves would’ve been kinda nutty

Considering they don’t grant the gear to spend them on

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

yet

lol

[valid spade]

quick question
i use sd only with secrett
and the second charge only while shadowblades right ?

[verbal kelp]

Hey team, i've got 3p and i have the following dilemma to choose from vault.

Do I choose the Guidon 266 hc trinket, or do I go for 4p?

[swift tinsel]

4pc 200%

[weak vector]

4pc

unless you have a cat charge

[verbal kelp]

yea i have 2 p now, 1 cata charge, and pending 1 tier from vault

[weak vector]

go for 4pc

[swift tinsel]

Yeah 4pc biggest gear prio

Giant dps increase

And allows charges to drop from pve

[pastel lark]

Hey, the light trinket is still bugged? i mean do activate it juste before SD?

[swift tinsel]

Today’s plan is grind m+ lockdown hero tier slots and cata before raid tomorrow lol

[keen dome]

Very good

Also lol LFR dragons are very funny

[swift tinsel]

Dude

[verbal kelp]

how many charges can drop? and how often?

[swift tinsel]

Don’t get me started lmao

[swift tinsel]

Can hold up to 8

Drops aren’t terribly common at least for me

[keen dome]

A buddy got their set week 1 and had 4 drop while grinding to 1.8k in arenas

[swift tinsel]

I’m at 0/5 from the content I’ve done that can drop them

wtf

Gimme that luck lmao

[keen dome]

Not sure how weighted they are

[swift tinsel]

I lost like 3 or 4 ilvl taking tier from lfr and wanna claw that back lol

[versed fiber]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[verbal kelp]

worth using hero to upgrade off hand dagger, or better spent on upgrading tier pieces?

[swift tinsel]

I wonder if it’s bc I was running non-bountiful delves

[swift tinsel]

Not dagger

[verbal kelp]

or trinkets

[swift tinsel]

Once it’s in your offhand you don’t care about it

Very weak spot dps-wise

Basically a placeholder for your embellishment

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

Prio trinkets jewelry and tier

[keen dome]

Least important slot to take up comparative to others and can just become your OH crafted dagger once you get a better MH

[swift tinsel]

Or bigger stat budget slots like legs

[keen dome]

chest, etc yeah

[swift tinsel]

Then fill out wrists, belt, boots with craft if you need

[keen dome]

MH -> Trinkets - big mainstat -> little mainstat -> jewellery -> OH is my normal formula

[swift tinsel]

Yeah largely same

[violet eagle]

After we craft weapon do we just send second spark craft with mythic crest? 🙂

[drifting ether]

What are your guys thoughts on guidon + puzzle box. Sim used puzzle on sb and guidon as mini burst for sd https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4KHWgJqN5u1ULTPh2VEv4q

[swift tinsel]

Also getting the right haste finally and extra 4 sec on blades feels so good

Was trapped in 500 haste deadzone lol

[weak vector]

Everyone here has their 4pc apparently holy moly

[swift tinsel]

I just got extraordinarily lucky lol

[keen dome]

I'm going to steal his tier

pickpocketing the hat

[swift tinsel]

No please don’t

[weak vector]

I'm still 1/4 lol

[swift tinsel]

Jokes on you I don’t have tier hat

[drifting ether]

Guild funnelled me a tier piece, bis neck and guidon

[swift tinsel]

Still rocking rep one from silvermoon lol

[void sluice]

does enchant weapon slot matter or did i fuck up by putting acuity on offhand

[weak vector]

Nice. I have to pug everything lol

[hazy breach]

Does not matter

[swift tinsel]

Alright time to grind morning lfg keys

All six of them listed in the range I want lol

[drifting ether]

Pugs are alright I went in a pug halleria and they were better than my guild 😂

[meager creek]

do i upgrade my weapon and belt embelished with crests?

myth crests

[swift tinsel]

Weapon yes

Unless you have a myth track dagger already

[atomic bobcat]

2nd craft a waist?

[swift tinsel]

It’s a safe choice

[meager creek]

ty ty

[olive canyon]

why is the emberweave trinket not that great when it feels like a 2min version of the flag trinket

i figured it might be better than puzzle box but it sims lower

[hazy breach]

The sectech cd gets missaligned if its every other cds

[main jackal]

Does anyone have a way to track Coup procs better? Or an addon they may use? Currently I just use a buff that I happen to have to see is at 4 stacks

[hazy breach]

Instead of every other

[olive canyon]

Ah fair. Back to hoping for the regular trinket then

[pastel lark]

Do you guys still use guidon outside of macro because of the " bug"?

[golden lark]

Does Sapling of the Dawnroot trinket sim weirdly? or is it actaully quite good until a higher ilvl trinket replaces it?

[swift tinsel]

It sims weirdly high so I’m suspicious of it

Relative to how much it was actually contributing

Was a very small contribution to my st/overall compared to sim

[tawdry belfry]

!craft

[vale pine]

yes

[golden lark]

Hmm, thanks for info!

[tulip light]

are you guys just sending cata charges on cd after 4p ?

[azure thicket]

can't send cata charges if no rogue tier drops

[swift tinsel]

I will be

[azure thicket]

is getting 4 set with vet gear worth since we get a charge next week?

[tulip light]

yes bc you can loot more charges after

you get 4p asap no matter the quality of pieces

[brazen meadow]

Is there a particular reason you want to? You just send it anyway

[muted kindle]

got hc guidon and chance of 4 set in the vault i assume its a wait till raid angle

[main jackal]

I just want to know that I have it. The current addon I use just stacks the icon to 4 and doesnt change the icon or anything so when I'm in AoE sometimes I just don't notice I have a Coup I should use.

[brazen meadow]

I just use the black power macro with it. No issues and out of sight out of mind

[main jackal]

ohshit

thats op nvm

[chilly kite]

the only problem with the bp macro is when u don't notice and your max distance aoe'ing and suddenly just stop doing dmg because your not in range for coup lol

[azure thicket]

you do have to pop it before shadow dance afaiu though

12 second dances with 2 set are lmao

[brazen meadow]

I mean if you don’t notice your combo points go down after a global you’re asleep.

[main jackal]

I just wish the CDM manager wasn't dogshit I wouldn't even need to worry about that

[brazen meadow]

But yeah I just bound bp alone as well

[azure thicket]

also you can track eviscerate unless you mean ub procs

it will turn into coup icon when its ready

[main jackal]

CDM doesn't allow Evisc so my addon wont put it on my bar

Unless Im stupid

I wanted to do that at first

[azure thicket]

im using default, second tab put it in essential cooldowns afair

[main jackal]

Im not sure what you mean

[chilly kite]

is b.net down right now? for NA

[main jackal]

I am online

[gilded lodge]

yeah. entire regions are down. EU DDOSing the servers

[chilly kite]

wierd keeps only letting me in ofline

[rain stratus]

@hazy breach Would it be adviseable to craft a 3rd piece this week btw?

[azure thicket]

one min

[hollow spear]

I owe you an apology, Valeera. I wasn't familiar with your game.

[gilded lodge]

you can't craft a 3rd piece as you could only have 5 sparks. It takes 2 to craft something

[drifting ether]

What are your thoughts on guidon + puzzle box, it sims well until gaze or plume

[azure thicket]

someone mentioned to pair it with the rep trinket

and it worked well on the pulls we did today on heroic dragons

[woeful rain]

what do we craft as 2nd item with myth crests?

[hollow spear]

we don't

at least not for a while

[woeful rain]

we just hoardin crests or?

[hollow spear]

we spend them on more useful stuff than a mythic belt or wrist

[azure thicket]

honestly crafted neck seems like a good idea

might be able to get platinum star band without overdoing it

[gilded lodge]

naw, you get a good haste mastery hero one next week from the 4 week "pvp" quest

[azure thicket]

ye but our bis is a rare drop off crown of the cosmos

gonna be holding that for a long time

might get the neck for assa and craft for sub imo

[hollow spear]

it's your crests and your specific situation

[azure thicket]

ddos is real lol i was getting crazy bad world ping since this afternoon tbh

[vale osprey]

Any gamers sent weap recraft even tho we have dagger from 2nd? I think I still want it because it's a good off-hand for us anyway if we luck out on the 2nd boss dagger right?

Also on that note - anyone had it bug out and take their crests

?

[paper spear]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[swift tinsel]

yep, bc I don't have myth dagger yet

and I'll get myth crests faster than I can spend them on gear

[pine viper]

Do enchant order on offhand/mainhand matter

[swift tinsel]

nope

[pine viper]

Thanks that saves a lot of gold!

[stuck arrow]

Sub does feel quite strong in keys TBH.

Prelim logs looking good, too.

[wintry heart]

In lower keys where stuff only lives for our cooldowns we should be pretty dang strong

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[vale pine]

puzzle box is noticabe better in m+

[narrow shoal]

should i take 2 set or the trinket from first boss?

from my vault

[weak vector]

tieeeeeeer

[narrow shoal]

both hero tract aswell

[grave girder]

Are we kinda ass at 3 target or am I just washed?

[wintry heart]

We’re all just washed

[grave girder]

[wintry heart]

But for real I think 3 targets is weird for us

[grave girder]

Doing the seat trio boss really does something to make you feel worthless

[vale pine]

blizz specificually nerfed our cleave damage to be in line with others

they just have a diffrent definition with what "in line" means

[grave girder]

That makes me feel a little better

[swift tinsel]

was near bottom of meters last night as sin and parsed 95

lmao

[wintry heart]

I’m playing without tier at 245 ilvl so I understand

[brisk onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/recrafting-items-has-a-chance-to-lose-your-crests-380961#comments

WTF

[swift tinsel]

I think my new fixation is coup buff updating when double procs happen

bc its slow enough to bother me lol

[swift tinsel]

I would go beyond thermonuclear if that happened to me

if its just recrafting I'm glad I waited

[dry reef]

are we still crafting belt or is it legs ive heard there was something with legs scaling

[azure thicket]

11 other dps ahead of me in a normal vanguard fight today :)c

[hybrid thorn]

you guys reckon it's worth upgrading belt with M crests going into Mythic

[fading whale]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shadow lance]

I don't think so

Other pieces are way more worth upgrading

[hybrid thorn]

Yeah was thinking that but idk i like ilvl

[swift tinsel]

myth crafted belt with arcanoweave was ~3% over my champ belt

may be different for you

[fickle jolt]

Hell yea was the #69 parse on heroic averzian

[prisma galleon]

Sooo… 2nd myth craft after big slots like chest etc? What if I’m not raiding mythic anyway ? I’ll just get my mythic items through weekly vault

[sullen spruce]

is paying 160k for lfr guidon worth it 🤔

[swift tinsel]

not ideal to craft in a tier slot

[prisma galleon]

Yeah, my question is also, if I should hold my crests for next week or build belt

[swift tinsel]

if you want, you can always top gear sim to see how much of a gain it is to craft

[prisma galleon]

🙂 true, I’ll do that brother

[swift tinsel]

I'm personally not in a huge rush to craft 2nd piece atm

[sinful zephyr]

Hey,how does veiltouched compare to a point in finality? or is it valid to also take weaponmaster instead für m+?

[prisma galleon]

Dito

Chillin with dem boys in +10s

[silk fiber]

I got 4 set last night after we cleared all of normal and 4/6 heroic. Wasnt tired yet so i ran a +8.I was pulling out numbers. Its insane

[stuck arrow]

4set is cheats. 😂

[exotic steeple]

something is bugged

0 leather tokens are dropped

[stuck arrow]

But yeah, atleast early keys feel good.

[silk fiber]

Got an lfr peice, 2 normal pieces and used my cata charge. Immediately got two more cata charges to fix my ilvl back up. Let me assure it trucks

[jade urchin]

not me having 4set on thursday last week

[exotic steeple]

we ran chimaerus just now with 11 leather, no token

and in lfr, 3x shamy, evo , hunter token dropped even though there were only 3

[jade urchin]

just get lucky smh

[exotic steeple]

i saw 1 single token for leather entire last week and now from lfr and normal

ofc i rolled an insane 8 on it

ye makes me wanna alt f4 tbh

[silk fiber]

Just do loot council ez pz

[tranquil blaze]

not true i haven't washed all week

had lots of showers banked

[stiff stirrup]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[granite schooner]

!Macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[still vector]

Are we sending any any Shadow dances outside of our Shadow blades window or do we just hold those charges?

[swift tinsel]

align with secret technique outside shadow blades

ensure you supercharge it

[still vector]

Gotcha

[tame notch]

Dont worry, me with 99 parses today on this fight same dps as brewmaster tank so ye we are strong

[swift tinsel]

easiest to just macro dance+sectech together and cast at full combo points

[tame notch]

Ye they made us "in line" with tank

[normal compass]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[fleet acorn]

how much sparks do we get this reset 1 or 2?

[bold dust]

18% Haste on guides, when i sim it seems way too much ? i'm i missunderstanding somthing ?

[silk fiber]

It let's you get an additional gcd in burst

[graceful osprey]

It’s so over

[tame notch]

But ye let's revert unholy nerfs and give sub 3% buff 🤡

[graceful osprey]

Maybe blizzard is preparing us for the tank rogue spec.

[fleet acorn]

where is my 2nd spark...

[vestal adder]

Catalyst sparks are one every two weeks unless you do and acheivement to get an extra one, 16oo pvp, 2000 Mythic+ rating or defeat mythic raid bosses

until you get your 4 piece, then they drop everywhere (allegedly)

[shadow lance]

Banger

[fleet acorn]

i have 4 set i want a spark not catalyt charge

[runic sinew]

what's that fight?

[vestal adder]

oh, I got mine from the weekly quest

complete 5 delves was what I chose

[tame notch]

Paladins

[swift tinsel]

is atro enough for rogue not to get sat on paladins

[torn tide]

is sub rogue mostly padding?

people are saying that killing prio is more important

[swift tinsel]

yesnt

[dim lagoon]

hey folks sorry for asking but its still worth 650-700haste if you have Light Company Guidon trinket?

[spare totem]

is there any point in doing t11 delves or just stick to 8s?

[torn tide]

doing +11 academy and theyre saying that stuff is living too long even tho we're all doing like 100k dps

[swift tinsel]

we have strong burst aoe so if stuff is living a long time burst isn't as effective

[vale pine]

!loot

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[torn tide]

soo all of us padding was bad then

[olive canyon]

Sub feels good in high keys

[torn tide]

cuz i think it was probably 100k dps per but all padding

[olive canyon]

just blasting

[spare totem]

ahh ty

[olive canyon]

high is relative, seems fine - tier is just insane

[swift tinsel]

yep

[swift tinsel]

wym all of us padding

[torn tide]

idk thats what the tank was spouting about before he started throwing

[swift tinsel]

well it also depends on your comp too

sub can do good prio

other specs can carry too

[torn tide]

it was pres evoker, sub and balance druid

[swift tinsel]

balance the ultimate aoe pad spec

[torn tide]

then everytime the tank random died he said "things are living forever and yall are padding too much" even tho we all had like 100k dps

[swift tinsel]

what was your 3rd dps

sounds like your tank is just a whiner tbh

[dim stream]

should i use ss for aoe?

[torn tide]

pres evoker

[dim stream]

as first generator on dance

[swift tinsel]

that's a healer

[torn tide]

oh wait it is?

[swift tinsel]

yes

preservation

heals

[torn tide]

okay my bad i think i meant devestation

[swift tinsel]

ah

[torn tide]

i get it mixed up alot

[silk fiber]

I have had multiple dumb as bricks tanks so far. I specifically went to my guild tanks and was like I'll wait til you are free to run keys

[torn tide]

he kept on magically just dying instantly

[fierce wing]

what class was tank

[torn tide]

prot pally

healer was holy pally

[swift tinsel]

ah ye paper tank

they get folded lol

[lucid jackal]

Optimizing around latency

[torn tide]

yikes

[swift tinsel]

if they aren't on top of their defensives

insta-dead

[torn tide]

so in other words the guy was complaining that we werent killing everything within 5seconds

since he cant live for long

[swift tinsel]

as is often the case

easy to blame others

[bold mortar]

The problem is yall were only doing 100k, he wanted to see 400k from yall

[torn tide]

the life of pugging

[torn tide]

i think he was expecting 1mil

[undone mesa]

Guys, theres some explanation about the 4p buffs of sub? i should play anything diferent than usual?

[swift tinsel]

I mean realistically you can be bursting a few hundred thousand in aoe

[fierce wing]

prot pally is kinda bad rn

also, depend on the pull you guys could've cranked harder

[torn tide]

my bursts went to like 250k if it was big pull

[fierce wing]

we were doing 400k on the first pull there

[torn tide]

if not it was just 115k kinda

[swift tinsel]

theres a few beefy mobs

[stuck arrow]

Damage is damage. There's some mobs that you need to kill as a priority, but other than that - if you're kicking it's kinda on the tank to live.

[quaint breach]

is there an WA alternative out?

[stuck arrow]

Idk. If he pulling too much he pulling too much. Outside of maybe scary kicks.

Also could be a healer thing. Hard to say.

[south kernel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wild briar]

Hi, how much crit %, haste%, mastery% we want as sub rogue? 🙂

[austere canopy]

How we looking in keys

[fading saffron]

ive been doing just fine

about 2500 atm

[sterile zenith]

do we craft second myth embelish item this week ? or do we wait ?

[austere canopy]

Feel like the profile is pretty good for it and with the buff and 4pc should be blasting

[stuck arrow]

M+ seems to be fairly balanced in terms of throughput.

TBH dungeon performance seems to be the main metric they balanced on over everything else.

This graph kinda tells an interesting story there.

Practically a rectangle.

[bleak night]

aug op

[stuck arrow]

If we got 4% instead of 3% we'd be in front. QQ

[slate nest]

I request all of y'alls for my vault tyvm

[torn tide]

sitting at around 2k now, pugging is a pain

[wheat socket]

Hey, are the builds in subtlety faq still up to date or has somethings changed since ?

[mental kettle]

am i scamming myself or is it worth getting 2pc super fast

like i have a veteran set shoulders and can catalyse 1 more item

[hoary dawn]

catalyst what track

[undone mesa]

is worth 4p super fast

[grand viper]

u can fuck urself over depending on ur vault

best to wait

[pastel lark]

Do we still need to use guidon 0.5 second before dance?

[grand viper]

4 piece is what u want, doesnt matter what track

[undone mesa]

2p for dps gain is worth

[stuck arrow]

Yes.

[undone mesa]

no metter track

[mental kettle]

yeah but 2p worth is crazy worth no

[grand viper]

2 piece is useless unless u want dps gain quick

i mena

[mental kettle]

but yeha idk

[stuck arrow]

I mean I'd still probably wait to have atleast champ track.

[mental kettle]

idk

[grand viper]

what content are u doing

[undone mesa]

when u it 4 p u have unlimited cata

[grand viper]

Exactly, 4p is unlimited cata

not 2p

[stuck arrow]

It's relatively rare, TBH.

[grand viper]

so you wait for vault

[slate nest]

hmm

gaze ig

[grand viper]

if u cata lets say shoulders, then get tier shoulders in ur vault on tuesday

u fucked urself over

its better to wait unless u particularly need the 7% dps increase for something rn

other than wanting to

[undone mesa]

my RL hit it monday, yesterday he drope 2 cata in a single dg, it is RNG at some point u will have it faster than 1 cata charge ever 2 weeks

[slate nest]

champ gaze or hero tier shoulder?

[stuck arrow]

That's fair.

[slate nest]

my current passive trinket

[stuck arrow]

I'd tend towards Gaze personally. Everyone kinda wants it. Might be hard to get.

[grand viper]

Plume is close to Gaze in terms of passive trinket value, which u can farm

[undone mesa]

u need to sim, gaze champ simed 0,8 over the reputation one, not worth for me

[grand viper]

hero tier u cannot

[deft star]

Are we crafting dagger and belt this week?

[slate nest]

gaze is a 2% buff

[undone mesa]

i always follow the simc, even when is a bad call... at least u can blame the machine

[wild vine]

how do you wanna farm plume

its not even out

[slate nest]

if hero shoulders is bigger i take shoulders

[undone mesa]

u have 2p or 4p?

[slate nest]

0p

i got unlucky

[undone mesa]

it will not be higher i think

[slate nest]

ye hero shoulders are 0.2% xd

[undone mesa]

u can farm item hero from m+

not worth at all

take gaze so

[stuck arrow]

Idk man. You've got like 15 changes a week at tier.

[grand viper]

mb ur right for some reason im htinking plume is the feather from wi ndrunner not march @wild vine

[wild vine]

vessel is the one you could farm and use instead of gaze

or some delve trinket

[grand viper]

^^

[tame notch]

Wdym unlimited? They drop but u still have max 8 limit per character no?

[grand viper]

vessel kinda annoying imo tho

[stuck arrow]

You get 1 chance at BiS trinkets.

And drop rate on trinkets from M+ is kinda garbage. 1/16 and then you might not even get the drop.

[grand viper]

u can hold 8 at one time

[wild vine]

there is an addon that atleast plays asound

but ye still gotta locate it

[stuck arrow]

If you delay tier you get it next week for sure with 3 catalysts. If you delay trinket, who knows when the fuck you'll get it.

Particularly as everyone else in your raid gets tier. You'll get tier eventually it's literally guaranteed. Trinkets... Guidon and Gaze literally everyone wants might take two months.

[undone mesa]

vessel is sim bait, withou WA is dogshit track the souls in a raid or m+

[grand viper]

yea i think it sims assuming u get it 100% of the time

[undone mesa]

for my dh it sims like 6% abouve other trinkets at logs its like 10% downgrade haha

[hazy breach]

It doesnt anymore

[undone mesa]

whitch is never

[hazy breach]

Sim on latest

[grand viper]

It's fixed?

Awesome

[hazy breach]

Idk if its on nightly, but probably

[undone mesa]

thats good news

[grand viper]

Can u edit it to choose what %

like last tier

the uh loom trink

[hazy breach]

Yes but raidbots havent implemented a UI element for it

[grand viper]

ah okay, this is good info ty

[hazy breach]

midnight.vessel_of_tortured_souls_miss_chance=1
If you put that in the bottom expert mode box it will change it

1 = 100%

0 = 0%

[grand viper]

I dont do much with expert mode, so to get like 50% i just change it to =.5?

[wild vine]

thats not by definition a simbait. it calculates missed charges in and it just shows expected value

its still very much playable to the reduced simvalue

atleast with the addon

[undone mesa]

wtich one?

[wild vine]

the one that plays a sound if an orb spawns

[undone mesa]

do u have the name? hahaha i will look into it

blizzard disable WA to creat some 300 others addons

stonks

[wild vine]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/vessel-of-tortured-souls-tracker

[undone mesa]

ty vm friend!

[warm vale]

guys do i craft the purple farstriders mercy now or is it too late since mythic + started

like do icraft items to farm for the myths so i can craft the myths version ,or do i wait until i get some myths thingies if u know what i mean

[shy ermine]

leg craft is looking good

we don't want tier legs and mythic legs only drop from raid last boss

i think everyone wants a weapon as first craft

[warm vale]

i know but someone told me to wait until i get myths

instead of the 259 one now since its "late"

[shy ermine]

depends how long it'll take you to get the myth crests

[undone mesa]

not "late" you will spend more mats to craft it, but nothing to worry about

[wild vine]

and on your current weapons

[undone mesa]

if helps u go 9+ is ok

[warm vale]

alright cuz im doing low dmg , idek how i will get the myths u know

[jade oasis]

is there anything i need to do pre key

[sleek socket]

any1 know if i can get catalyst both from 1600 pvp and 2k mythic plus?

[undone mesa]

its a single atchiev 1600pvp OR 2k m+ OR aotc

to 1 single cata charge

[stuck arrow]

But like by next week you'll have 3, so.

[fleet acorn]

did anyone here got a paladin hc 99 log with -> shadowstrike + bp as the guide says on 3 targets ? I only see logs with shuriken tornado + bp ?

[sleek socket]

ty

yea i need to get 1 piece somehow

didnt even upgrade any item to set yet

[stuck arrow]

LFR drops. Normal drops.

Heroic pretty pug-able

[sleek socket]

yea, no luck lol ,did lfr already

[stuck arrow]

It'll come. Eventually everyone else will have and will stop rolling. 😂

[sleek socket]

🙁

[stuck arrow]

I mean I know it feels bad. I'm in same boat.

[rain kernel]

does acuity of rendorei stack ? like if u have it on both weapons?

[stuck arrow]

Yes.

[hazy breach]

Yes

[jade oasis]

yo eleem i gotta question abt what the guide is saying

so when we pop our second dance in blades

technique comes up like a few seconds after (i don’t have tier) should i hold technique for the dance coming up after that so i can supercharge it

or just send it in the second dance in blades anyway

same question applies for once i have tier, would i wanna prioritize supercharging technique in blades or being in dance during blades?

[raw pond]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[last marten]

does it matter on which weapon I have the different enchants on ?

[dim stream]

sim shows me use ss in dance as first generator for aoe 8 targets

should i use ss in dance for aoe?

[pulsar hemlock]

Is it worth using 6/6 puzzlebox over heroic flag trinket?

Or is the flag better at all ilvls

[rain kernel]

but i still see the buff only for 85

[mighty citrus]

with 4p, whats the best time to pull of your second dance in blades? when st has 6 secs cd?

and there is no chance of having supercharged st in the second dance correct

[wintry heart]

What is this loot

[vale pine]

only possible with the hast use trinket

[mighty citrus]

yeah i have it. just doing dummy dmg and feel like if i want to line the last 8 secs of blades with 8s of dance (with my gear) st has 6s cd at that time

but i dont want to waste gcds, so i evis still i can st

[bleak night]

can i have one

[mighty citrus]

which then means no supercharged

[stuck arrow]

I think you need 4pc too.

[weak vector]

Welp, after doing 6/6N and 5/6H, I finally got something lol

[wintry heart]

Well did all of lfr and only saw one tier token

Lost it on a tie roll

lol

[blazing urchin]

How to track weakness? there is no weakness buff in blizzard cdm

[austere plank]

should i craft belt anyway as second craft? (got hero track with socket already)

[serene tapir]

Craft w/e you have lowest ilvl

[jaunty horizon]

any know ca how much dps difference st build is from aoe build on st ?

[celest mulch]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[hazy breach]

Don't bother, it's literally always up

[daring raptor]

wait are people using vers flask now?

[valid yoke]

I’m using haste atm cos my haste is only like 530 lol

[blazing urchin]

sometimes not

[hazy breach]

Its up like 99% of the time

And the times when its not up, youre just autoattacking anyway

Theres literally no reason to bother tracking it

[stone vessel]

should I swap to tier set regardless of substats?

[hazy breach]

Im not even exaggerating with 99%

[jade oasis]

i mean the stats on the tier r better

https://tenor.com/view/cute-kitty-side-eye-side-eyes-kitty-side-eye-cat-side-eye-cute-side-eye-gif-5495120630602386958

[blazing urchin]

bro, it's not the answer for my question, if i care about tracking, it means that it's not 100% uptime and i want to control this

[stone vessel]

isn't versatility low prio?

[hazy breach]

You dont care about tracking

Its literally useless info'

[stuck arrow]

Outside of like an intermission phase or something. It's up.

If you play properly it'll always be up when you need it.

[hazy breach]

That will not help you in any way shape or form

But also its not possible

[blazing urchin]

i literally asked if anybody know how to track weakness or not

[hazy breach]

So it doesnt matte

Ok sorry for trying to help

[blazing urchin]

i didn't ask "do i need"

u know

[modest snow]

guidon from 5 delves weekly

[jade oasis]

the tier piece isn’t the one with vers

[south pelican]

I have a tracker for my find weakness, it’s up 99% of the time

[blazing urchin]

what tracker?

[sand perch]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[frosty axle]

lmfao

[drifting fable]

yo im wondering if the sim doesnt want 700 haste but we do why is the api set to recommend us less than 700 haste, doesnt that fuck up the whole point of simming and u have to start feely crafting ways to get 700 haste in game?

[bold mortar]

Someone mentioned it had to do someting about margin for error/human error iirc

[real python]

that's in the faq yea

[drifting fable]

yeah i know

but that just leads to confusion

why not force the sim to give us 700 haste

[hazy breach]

Because that fucks up other stuff

Theres no good way of doing it

[short aurora]

when i do pull

[fleet acorn]

but not with raidfinder or normal i guess

[hazy breach]

And its not only human errors, but also just the server ticks being fucky

[short aurora]

and have 4 super charged do i shadowstrike always ?

or jsut twice?

[hazy breach]

Everything is just insanely ass when you need to optimize all the milliseconds instead of all the seconds

[short aurora]

do i always go for aa for the supercharged cp's or just for 2?

[south kernel]

so far at 700 haste and champ trinket i wasnt able to do it once

[drifting fable]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaaaaaa-gif-24210192

[vale pine]

probably need a higher one ye

[drifting fable]

do what

[south kernel]

i either go into cds too early so i lose guidon on first dance or have to sit a gcd inside dance waiting for tech

to clip 2nd dance in blades with guidon AND sectech 2nd supercharged AND not sit a gcd

[fleet acorn]

cause i got normal and it doesnt work xd

2s off

[south kernel]

like i feel like im forced to lose one

has any of you tried it yet? fuu or eleem?

to see how lenient it is at 700 haste or am i jsut dogwater

[jaunty horizon]

any advice for Vanguards ? Should i just spam shuriken BP when they are stack and backstab evis when they do the split ? it feels so bad

[hazy breach]

Its not lenient at all

Its insanely tight becuase of the bugs

[drifting fable]

whole class needs to go

what the fuck man

[south kernel]

my biggest issue is the tech cooldown bounce

like guidon is 16 so it pushes tech down

[distant sleet]

Is SnD not even worth casting? Since no guides or anything mention SnD.

[south kernel]

BUT if i clip dance on guidon and tech is 2 sec and guidon expires tech bounces back to 3 sec

cos it loses the hasted cooldown reduction

[drifting fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs

[distant sleet]

im new to sub xD

[south kernel]

so then im forced to either supercharge a normal finisher or sit a global waiting for tech

i geniuenly wonder if its physically doable with the guidon 1 sec update delay

[hazy breach]

You can use the AA tech to force that too

[south kernel]

well "assuming" it ends up being 1 sec

[open depot]

Yo @hazy breach , don’t tell Whispyr, but teach me some sub real quick. How long until SB do I hold SD and SecTec for?

[hazy breach]

But yes its cursed

[drifting fable]

this is the WORST

[south kernel]

wdym?

[south kernel]

yea at this point i legit dont bother clipping 2nd dance with guidon

[open depot]

But over dramatic

[hazy breach]

Strike twice to proc the AA if its not up already

[fleet acorn]

dont make it complicated this double strike doesnt change your log i got 99 logs without that stuff

[south kernel]

idk dude do u recon its physically doable at 700 haste? can u test it on the api with guidon being used 1 sec before cds

[hazy breach]

Yes its definitely doable

[silk fiber]

I have 2 98s on normal and a 96 on a heroic boss. Understanding the spec and when to use your abilities vs hold them and understanding the fight is gonna get you more than this one tech will

[south kernel]

even with delaying cds 1 sec after guidon?

fuck i might need alot more practice to get it going

[rugged rover]

Does the 700 haste breakpoint become relevant only with tier? I'm simming all my gear and I have enough pieces with varying stats to have 700 haste with the right choices/gems yet the sim result always picks crit mastery gems and items without haste on them actively avoiding reaching that haste breakpoint 😒

[south kernel]

i think? try simming with tier on same ilvl and see if it still tells u to do that

[limber folio]

another week of double fist weapon on NK

[keen dome]

the tier situation is so weird. 1 token between 20 people is just annoying.

[chilly dagger]

Do different races sim notable different for sub rogue?

[hollow spear]

How much worse is a non-supercharged eviscerate vs. a shadowstrike during dance?

Sometimes when it's too tight during my second dance, I just press another strike despite AA already being up to save the supercharged cp for sectec

[stuck arrow]

There's a pin in tc research with the string to put into sim craft if you're curious.

[fierce wing]

sim only hits 600 haste breakpoint because computer doesn't have lag like humans do

[fossil forge]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[rugged rover]

it's telling me to have 570 haste equipped

[livid cape]

Shoot seeing 1 tier in a 26 man group for heroic……

At least next week people will have up to 3 charges. So you just need 1 tier slot for a 4 set

[dim stream]

for m+ puzzle or guidon?

[warm marlin]

my god

the fabled ds changes

i never thought I would see the day

(for .5)

[spiral needle]

lol that they have to create a button for a heroic tree to make it functional

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal are we back cuh

[deft moss]

any addons or sum that will yell at me for poisons missing?

[chrome palm]

The cost is intended to be affordable, but meaningful.
i guess this is just copy/paste from the assa section as usual but this still is gibberish for sub

[warm marlin]

is nice though

[lucid jackal]

[chrome palm]

it is

[warm marlin]

ds up good?

[wintry heart]

About god damn time they make this change

[warm marlin]

if it also had noparry i probably would officially be completely happy/fine playing ds

[lucid jackal]

It still sucks on cleave/aoe

and theres still an opportunity cost with swapping

even if energy is worthless

[swift tinsel]

a move in the right direction

[warm marlin]

well i meant playstyle

tuning whatever

[swift tinsel]

positive change

^^

[warm marlin]

near 0 opportunity cost for sub anyway

[swift tinsel]

if this means they're looking at the hero tree as a whole, W

[warm marlin]

just press it during dance

oh no 0.6 backstabs!!

[wintry heart]

I just want trickster buffs, the only way I’m playing DS is if it’s like 10% better

[swift tinsel]

(probs not but we'll see)

I'm not playing ds on anything other than pure st anyways

if I play it at all

[night sparrow]

!sb

[swift tinsel]

imagine a world they make DN cleave to 2 extra targets and make us thanos at 2-3 target cleave

[chrome palm]

at this point replicating shadows should just cleave eviscerate to another target at 50% or something

just give sub hydra idk

[swift tinsel]

ye

[warm marlin]

realistically trickster should be the low cleave specialist and ds the mass aoe

[swift tinsel]

yeah I would be happy with that

if it played out that way

[warm marlin]

#revertnimble

[swift tinsel]

big boom blastin bp's with mass casualty

[stuck arrow]

Oh fuck yeah.

[swift tinsel]

nimble flurrying evisc and/or strike

(again)

[chrome palm]

id prefer it if they just let your generators generate combo points instead of it being like 75% sht

then youd have more reason to storm in aoe

[swift tinsel]

shadowcraft needs a sht nerf

keep the energy portion

apex 2 can keep proccing it but remove the double stack gen from the talent

[chrome palm]

the part about apex 2 i dont like is when your secret clones randomly hit at like .6s and 1.3s so you only get one sht refund

[hazy breach]

Replicate the clones, since you know it replicates the shadows

[chrome palm]

and then you miss the AA proc

[odd sandal]

Do we know if there's still a recraft bug out there?

[swift tinsel]

this would be kinda sweet ngl

[hazy breach]

Also im just getting more and more convinced they should axe unironically like 50% of our sht procs

Wasting stacks feels so ass

[swift tinsel]

yeppers

[hazy breach]

And it makes haste useless besides the duration and setech cdr

[swift tinsel]

I've been pro-removing double stacks for a while after seeing how many get wasted

[warm marlin]

i think its really funny that haste past the cap is like 1/6 or 1/8 as good as it was in tww

and it was already bad in tww

while their stated goal was to make haste good

[hazy breach]

Ye BL is way worse now

Than in TWW

[swift tinsel]

idk I still think they need to revisit haste for the spec in general and not trying so hard to force it in

rather dislike how it ended up

[warm marlin]

like this just cannot be a real image

[night sparrow]

So TLDR with no haste tricket : During SB send second dance to have 1.2+ second dance buff remaining to buff second sectec clones. During BL, you simply supercharge it ?

[swift tinsel]

very much against haste breakpoints as well as reducing sectech cd

[warm marlin]

[swift tinsel]

in the way they chose to implement it

[deft moss]

any addons or sum that will yell at me for poisons missing?

[woeful wren]

mark of death inc?

the dream is alive

[chrome palm]

secret being hasted just makes no sense

sub is not ww

[swift tinsel]

plus ww gets cdr from bok and xb

[chrome palm]

why do you haste on cd that is always aligned with another cd (which isnt hasted)?

[swift tinsel]

and also are disjointed from your 'big' cd

even increment of 10sec vs odd

unsure how that was overlooked

[ornate heron]

do you always want to send 2 dance in each shadowblades?

[final gulch]

is the ring 2set from nexus point simming correctly?

i feel like it doesnt affect it at all, or is it just really weak

[stuck arrow]

It's like 1% damage. It's not terrible.

[final gulch]

ty

[alpine wraith]

it is mostly for st

[stuck arrow]

I mean free damage is free damage.

[gentle sonnet]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[sharp peak]

does anyone know if the myth crest recraft stuff is still bugged or did they fix it?

[frosty axle]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vale osprey]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[floral karma]

Hey question in your opener I have read the thing but do you use shadow strike evis then shadow strike again or you do hit evis a second time

[tepid trellis]

@tribal blade

[pine oyster]

is crucible of erratic energies just sim bait? or is it actually better than a 263 puzzle box, 263 emberwing feather and 263 light company guidon?

[dense stream]

Can we talk about erratic energies?

[jolly anchor]

DO I spend coup de grace procs on big AoE packs? or keep spamming black powder?

[swift tinsel]

wtb cata charge drop

[alpine wraith]

you always spend coup

[swift tinsel]

have done 10 m+/delves and zero so far

[dense stream]

are charges timegate?

[swift tinsel]

not after you get 4pc

[alpine wraith]

nope ive gotten 3 already from the 4 set farm

[swift tinsel]

hm

maybe just unluck then

[keen dome]

I got a helm token from normal, so I guess it's all down to heroic now..

[swift tinsel]

nice!

[keen dome]

Plus two charges, so if I get 1 more piece I'm set

Almost tempted to cata for 2p before heroic pugging but seems bad

[swift tinsel]

been trying to grind hero track and charges but the luck just isn't there rn

ye probably not the best call but I know the feeling lol

[lean rover]

What is the next haste breakpoint to fit another GCD is it like 2500 or something?

[keen dome]

I get 4-set on reset at least with the +1 charge

[alpine wraith]

around 1700

[stuck arrow]

I mean might not be terrible terrible.

You get another catalyst next week. So worst case you have 4 PC next week.

Been thinking about that myself.

[keen dome]

Yeah

[pine oyster]

should i spend another 80 myth crests upgrading my 2nd embel?

[torpid echo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

Wrists and Belt are shit upgrades and embellishments for the most part don’t scale with ilvl.

[pine oyster]

so no haha

[lilac stag]

Entirely up to you

[polar schooner]

where would i find if we craft mythic dagger this week or not?

[hazy breach]

Craft m dagger asap

[polar schooner]

oh

well damn that was easy

[lilac stag]

next question?

[keen dome]

where's the tier hiding

[lilac stag]

It’ll drop after all the mail wearers are rolling for tertiary

[polar schooner]

and definetly not worth crafting 2 yeah?

[lilac stag]

Hell no

[polar schooner]

ty

[lilac stag]

don’t be in a hurry to spend other sparks / mythic crests.

Farm heroic gear this week for 3/6

so you can spend heroic creates

[crisp wing]

it worth converting heroic legs to tier for 2 pc or just wait until next week to hope for a better piece?

[lilac stag]

only worth if you’ need 2pc to get you past a boss

[torpid echo]

so i have a macro where I press SD + SecTec and another macro where I press SD + Shuriken Storm.
Is there a way to enable one or the other in a specific hero spec or do I manually have to move it around?

[lilac stag]

Turn off use default action bar on deathstalker

then you can adjust that one to as you see fit

[torpid echo]

Is that in bartender or something or base ui has that?

[vale pine]

weapon dps is a rly good scaling factor

so we always want mythic weapon

[sharp peak]

Recraft still broken though

[quasi portal]

Can some1 explain to me why we optimise Apex talent the way we do? I know how to do it, but im curious why

[snow bone]

i mean i ripped cata charges on vet gear to get 4 pc. once you get 4pc as long as you play the game you have unlimited charges basically once i started running m+ i had heroic 4 pc within 2 hours. and ive only killed one heroic boss

[astral imp]

Back with another dumb question for you all. When we're in SD and the Apex talent is proc'd. Do we go Finisher -> Shadowstrike -> finisher - Shadowstrike? Or would it go Finisher -> Finisher -> Shadowstrike -> finisher -> finisher?

I guess I'm confused on if I should be expending all the combo points before rebuilding or just trying to keep the bonus points stored as well. The more I type this out, I'm like 99% sure I'm just reading too much into the guide and it's more or less 'Expend your combos points' before Shadowstriking.

[oblique grotto]

Hey all I have a random question about some dagger ilvl’s vs enchants. I crafted Mercy and it’s at 259 cap. I put the main hand enchant on it and then immediately got hungering victory on normal, which is at 263. Because it was my offhand I put that enchant on it, but I’ve always been told highest ilvl goes in the main hand. However, I don’t want to spend 40,000 gold on enchant swapping.

What’s more viable? The enchants being in the appropriate hand or the ilvl….thanks all!

http://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/zyphex/

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stuck arrow]

You want both main hand and off hand enchanted.

You can not enchant if you want, but will cost you a ton of dps.

[outer flare]

No he’s saying he don’t want to swap them

[oblique grotto]

Yeah, I don’t want to swap them since they’re different enchants

[stuck arrow]

Oh, handedness of enchants don't matter

[oblique grotto]

Ok so go with ilvl rule…got it

[stuck arrow]

Also likely at this ilvl is optimal for both to be acuity of rendorei

But sim it yourself

[oblique grotto]

I was wondering if both should be the same because that’s going to get frustrating lol

[hazy lichen]

what should we use hero crests on rn

[stuck arrow]

I think arcane mastery better at higher ilvl, and arcane mastery better in AoE.

[unique sentinel]

I was in the same boat and just rocked the „suboptimal“ enchant order till i recrafted to myth

[stuck arrow]

But ST, rendorei usually stronger.

[wintry heart]

So no tier drops is a universal problem

[oblique grotto]

Well, damn. We’re just gonna have to have a ST enchant weapons and AoE enchant weapons lol

[stuck arrow]

Nah. Pick one. Also the margins slim.

[oblique grotto]

Word. Thanks @stuck arrow!

[graceful mural]

hello, i have pvp champion shoulders and legs. I got heroic shoulders and champion head in weekly chest. what to take? I do not raiding and spent 2x "change to set" to pvp items already.

3/4 set or champion->heroic shoulders

[valid yoke]

is vessel worth using or is the fact that you gotta pick stuff up just not worth it?

just got one from a +10 lol

[graceful osprey]

are sub rogues changing to deathstalker with the new changes?

[left ledge]

no

its just nice for DS

[vale pine]

you only play deathstalker on 2 fights

the rest is trickster

[graceful osprey]

what bosses?

[left ledge]

you can also choose to just play trickster on those fights and barely lose dps

vorasius and nexus king

[vale pine]

wall boss and the one after

both are very single target heavy

and mark can't rly bug out like on others

[left ledge]

mark for death will be quite nice for nexus king

you can help with balls that way

[vale pine]

yep

saladbar

and wall boss

[graceful osprey]

ok thx

[finite hedge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1486352553166901328/drops.png

[graceful mural]

@vale pine go for 3/4 set from weekly with champion gear or take heroic shoulders and keep 2/4 set

[vale pine]

you technically want 4p > item levels

but keep in mind

[merry agate]

blizz removin buttons

[wheat relic]

guys, what are best passive trinkets, what would you suggest

[vale pine]

you get one charge + if you hit 2k r.io (which isn't too hard) a 2nd one

[merry agate]

straightup returning them as clunky mark stuff

[wheat relic]

from personal experience

[vale pine]

so its easy to get 4p

usually

catalyst chrges are not as rare

[shadow copper]

If you have 6+ use your finisher it’s not super deep brotha

[glass lion]

What’s actually the best 2 mythic trinkets? Icy veins telling me emberwing feather and solarflame prism?

[alpine wraith]

you mean m+

yea those are fine although i think puzzlebox is better than wing

[glass lion]

Thanks

[alpine wraith]

but mostly bis trnks are from raid the guidon and the gaze of alnseerç

[glass lion]

Can I get them only doing mythic+?

[faint gorge]

any advice for the ?? - i feel like i just die too quickly

[swift tinsel]

prism and box yes

only from m+

but guidon and gaze only from raid

[glass lion]

Perfect thankyou

[stuck arrow]

Do it in a group.

Or buckle down and juggle aggro while playing perfectly and getting lucky.

If HoF was closed when I did it, I'd have just done it in a group. Turns what's otherwise incredibly sketchy in the kinda a walk in the park.

[dire flame]

what in the world

[plucky pier]

Keep your Valeera hot rolling and trade aggro using Shadow Dance. Line up your CDs with add spawns. Use drums on third add. Thats how I did it

[stuck arrow]

Try again with a blue arcano weave.

[swift tinsel]

looks pretty normal

[plucky pier]

Dont die sub 1% 5 times because the boss decides to hit you twice for 200k each in a span of .04 seconds

[swift tinsel]

belt craft isn't huge

[stuck arrow]

Embellishments are strong.

[dire flame]

but belt craft is better than weapon craft?

[swift tinsel]

3% over champ track belt

[swift tinsel]

2nd craft isn't that impactful

[dire flame]

this is upgrading either craft

[stuck arrow]

Yes because you don't have the second embellishment.

[dire flame]

I currently have crafted belt/weapon, this sim was to upgrade one of them

[swift tinsel]

did you sim with crafted dagger in mainhand

or just offhand

[dire flame]

both

[swift tinsel]

you didn't upgrade the mainhand

[dire flame]

o oop

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[dire flame]

hold please

[swift tinsel]

should fix it haha

[dire flame]

yeah it did, I was like wtf theres no way this is right

[formal vortex]

any have sim for full biss items

[swift tinsel]

yeah was gonna say there's no way lol

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

in the sheet you can find the sim

[sullen hare]

So wait. They brought back marked for death? Lame

[swift tinsel]

yerr

[sullen hare]

I don't understand why they some just redo the whole tree

[formal vortex]

ty

[sullen hare]

Shit is so ass

[potent nimbus]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/niannas/ this is my toon im currently at capped 150myth crests left and spent my hero/champ crests for week, should i just send 80more myth crests on my crafted bracers or just hold for next week, seems bit odd to dump into bracers this early

[dire flame]

send it

[swift tinsel]

idk I'm still holding out hope they do revamp it a bit

but it is a slim hope lol

[potent nimbus]

idk if i hold for vault cuz bracers not a huge gain

[swift tinsel]

theres some things they can keep that are neat like mass

and singular if tuned well

[hazy lichen]

anyone know any clean m+ timer/obj tracker addon

[hallow nacelle]

hey guys fast question, does it makes sence to craft this week my mythic weapon and next week again, or is it waste oy mythic crests ?

[fleet acorn]

guys do i need to do 8x bountiful on t11 this week or how much t11?

[weak vector]

[tulip light]

is everyone just sending myth crests on second embell craft already as well or keeping them?

[tulip light]

you only craft one weapon

[pulsar mist]

Can I ask for some advice when do i use ALgathers in opener? is it after ss and before shadowblades?

[swift tinsel]

after strike before blades

[tribal crypt]

How simple is sub to learn? I’m committing to a rogue as my 1st alt

[plucky pier]

Can you press 2 buttons a lot?

[tribal crypt]

You know I just might be able to

[plucky pier]

Then youre golden

[valid yoke]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[exotic holly]

pretty neat to see deathstalker getting a "redirect 2.0"

[gilded lodge]

Original Mfd was redirect 2.0, this is like 3.0 now 🤣

[sullen hare]

Pretty sure shitty mfd is the signal to give up hope

[swift tinsel]

I mean I wouldn't play ds in any scenario where I'm switching targets lol

[red flame]

wait MFD is coming back? like the actual ability?

[sullen hare]

They're really trying to piecemeal ds to be acceptable when it should've just gotten aborted

[swift tinsel]

for deathstalker to move mark

[sullen hare]

Yes. The actual ability.

[bleak night]

its fucked up bastard inbred child

[swift tinsel]

yeah, it really just needs to be taken back to the drawing board

instead of getting frankensteined

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/how-since-when-idk-wow-blac-youngsta-gif-16738203

[bleak night]

i legit thought the guy who told me was fucking with me at first

[sullen hare]

Mfd with an energy cost

[sleek socket]

i can get set items in the vault only from the raid section right?

[swift tinsel]

yes

[red flame]

im still not 100% convinced yall arent fucking w me (obv kidding)

[swift tinsel]

wait didn't see you said only

[warm vale]

@swift tinsel can u check dms pls

[swift tinsel]

you can get them in any slot

[exotic holly]

this shaman dude is just dm'n everybody randomly lol

careful everybody

[bleak night]

never trust a shaman