subtlety

[alpine wraith]

because bear and monk are outrageous amounts of dmg

for a tank

[verbal kelp]

When can we expect any more tuning/updates? I guess in about a month with the patch?

[tribal blade]

lol i'm so happy i'm not pushing in a season where it could be aug again

i have never seen more smooth brained people get carried to title than when aug came out

[fallow rampart]

Guys raider io showing last season biggest score now?

Or it come when season started

[tribal blade]

actually dunno i have rio turned off right now lemee see

[verbal kelp]

Anyways doom aside i guess you can get title on any spec so not a big deal

[tribal blade]

you can for sure

[verbal kelp]

Just the pug life that’s annoying

[alpine wraith]

yea you just need friends like lashga

[tribal blade]

LOL

yes "friends"

[alpine wraith]

the best kind of friends

[tribal blade]

my r.io is showing me at 0 in game

but who knows what'll happen when the season goes live

[fallow rampart]

Well ig it coming when season start , more chances for pug player get invite

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

but the good players break away from the pack quite quickly

i've seen it happen before

where you meet some high IO people early on

and make plans to play with them

but then when keys get higher you realize they can't hang, and then slowly get left behind

[fallow rampart]

Anyway my score not high ig, it’s only 3700 before pre patch

[tribal blade]

that's not terrible

cutoff was what 3900ish

so that's like ~2 key levels below title cutoff

[fallow rampart]

Im starting playing wow last season only, hope this season i can get 3900-4000

[tribal blade]

well the number isn't where you're trying to hit

it depends all on what key levels are possible

cutoff will always fluctuate depending on the season

[fallow rampart]

Ye but ig now it’s like last season

Because ppls finished beta on like 20

[fair wedge]

can any1 advise me on this?

[tribal blade]

we'll see yeah

but if you're thinking about trying to get to 4k if the season is similar to TWW

that's like super elite key levels

[short radish]

holy shit

i hate DS

i didnt think it was possible to hate it more

[tribal blade]

i would aim for smaller targets first 😉

[tribal blade]

BASED

[short radish]

but fuck me with this apex optiimsation

[tribal blade]

BASED

[fallow rampart]

3900 fine ig, I main surv now, but rogue in my heart

[odd jacinth]

[tribal blade]

just try to keep improving

[short radish]

its not oh first finisher after i go into dance + sectech

it pops up half way through

fuck this dog shit hero tree

[odd jacinth]

[fallow rampart]

I waiting when casual start season on his rogue , learn a lot from him

[tribal blade]

nice nice

[tribal blade]

BASED

[bleak night]

shoot for the moon and you'll land in the stars

im aiming for 5k

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

[fallow rampart]

Btw can u explain about haste diff between 300-680, i can use 3 dance in one blade?

[tribal blade]

only 2 dances per blades

[bleak night]

about 380

[fallow rampart]

Which cd gcd u have now?

[hollow spear]

why would more haste give you more dances during blades?

did you read the talents?

[golden totem]

Yesterday on splits I had more fun and dmg on havoc alt than rog

First time since forever

[tribal blade]

gcd is fixed on rogue

to 1 sec

haste increases the duration of dance, it doesn't reduce gcd

[fallow rampart]

I have 6.6 duration on dance now with my haste

[tepid trellis]

684 haste is 7.4

[fallow rampart]

Im just thinking is it rly main problem my green logs now , or i should learn something special

also maybe because it’s pugs raids and high kill time

[tepid trellis]

2nd option is likely the bigger problem

[fallow rampart]

Because I can see everyone in raid like green or blue

[pastel rain]

I'm having very similar logs and was wondering th same

[fallow rampart]

Superchargers working on CDG, should we use dance on it?

[tepid trellis]

only thing you really care about super charging is Sectech and Apex clone during dances

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallow rampart]

U mean second and third hit clone ?

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[plush roost]

Idt anyone is hitting 3900 this season, thats like 2 20s all 19s

On beta people had full BiS and item scaling fuckery that is impossible on live

As well as insane class embel trinket tuning

Shits all nerfed now

[dire ravine]

t'why blades after dance?

[tribal blade]

that's what i figured, you tend to not see super high key levels done on the first season of an expac

[plush roost]

Yeah people were doing 20s with demolock being 30% stronger than live, and insane arcane mage, and pre nerf uhdk

As well as gaze being 30% stronger

[fallow rampart]

Guys stealthi recommend use burst on opener after first finisher, is it for buff from talent ?

[plush roost]

The signet ring giving 93 of all secondaries instead of 20

Etc

[fallow rampart]

I don’t know how he writes on English sry

[plush roost]

Mind sharing a screenshot of what youre referring to

[tribal blade]

what's the plan, are you gonna do early season as rogue and see what the meta becomes?

[fallow rampart]

I’m not on pc sry

[plush roost]

Probs, assa is being slept on for keys

[sudden quarry]

Im wondering if with 2 set only is it worth sending secteq on the last second with blades active? Or just wait for the 3rd dance to come up and line it…

[tribal blade]

true yeah, big prio dam

[plush roost]

Aoe isnt even bad its just not instant

[tribal blade]

i should have done M0s with sudden demise talented

on my splits rogue

but yeah it was tragic trying to play sin with everything insta dying haha

[lilac stag]

way to crush dreams, dream crusher.

[south kernel]

i mean its just lower ceiling for all no ?

[high grotto]

with P1 of Crown, do we bother using BP on the small blob adds or no

[mighty citrus]

why you should not?

if the reqs are met

press bp

if you have enough dmg for the main add

[alpine wraith]

do you like doing less damage

because that is fine too

some people are like that

[high grotto]

was more of wondering why we dont run potent powder for the fight

[alpine wraith]

i would run PP but also it is less st so maybe they do it for p2 and p3

as those 2 are more ST oriented

[mighty citrus]

pp makes no sense

you still want the dmg on the main targets

[alpine wraith]

the random adds from p2 also fall over so yea

[mighty citrus]

we killed yesterday and the small adds in p1 were barely alive

[alpine wraith]

pp does make sense just going for more st also does and the latter should be better for the most part

[mighty citrus]

i pressed 26 bp over whole fight vs 120 evis (ofc i did not play optimal, but thats what i did yesterday)

[high grotto]

doing like negative damage atm

[alpine wraith]

we are not great but also not horrible

depends on your team comp if you have lots of premium specs you wont see top 10

but you can overtake many mid ones

[tribal blade]

if nimble still functioned like it used to

sub would be quite a bit better on crown

same on paladins

[mighty citrus]

please lets not speak about paladins

this boss made me mad 😄

like i did okay apparently, but was slightly above tanks

yeah

😄

[alpine wraith]

yea i did like 74k dps some days ago

[tribal blade]

yeah sub is worthless on the fight

[alpine wraith]

others did like 120k

IM HELPING

[mighty citrus]

our hunter did 160

i mean sure

[native zodiac]

You should never be pressing bp on alleria

[mighty citrus]

nerf mow

but lol

[tribal blade]

i told our arms warr "i'm not doing dmg on this fight" when we got there on heroic, first wipe and i whisper him "17TH PLACE WOOOOOO"

[tribal blade]

agreed yeah

[mighty citrus]

the best thing was, when i thought i could do something good as sin on that fight

turned out

no 😄

[tribal blade]

lol yeah ain't happening

[mighty citrus]

i was a believer

and yesterday it just showed me the hard truth

but in general its only that fight

on the rest we can do our part i think

[tribal blade]

so dmg output seems quite high on paladins, i imagine on mythic it'll be even more hectic

so my cope is atrophic still worth to bring

[mighty citrus]

maybe outlaw angle 😄

[sharp ravine]

same thing

[mighty citrus]

in terms of

sucky?

😄

[sharp ravine]

All 3 spe are ass for council

[tribal blade]

i would really rather not pirate

[quick marlin]

simming 70k they really need to buff rogue..

[mighty citrus]

they do tomorrow

or wednesday

depending where you sit

[high grotto]

even my parses are showing shit all damage

[sharp ravine]

wait for your 4p and you will be fine

[tribal blade]

small buff and most rogues don't ahve 4 set yet

esp for sub

it makes a massive diff

[mighty citrus]

we were really unlucky

almost no leather

iam doing fucking 1.6k 2v2 now 😄

[tribal blade]

bro not a single leather tier from heroic

so insane

this happens every tier

[mighty citrus]

but we got lots of mail

[high grotto]

2 pieces only in mine and went to the druid which is fair

[mighty citrus]

like really lots 😄

[high grotto]

we got shit on of plate

[tribal blade]

all the people on my tier notice this happens every single tier to us

[red flame]

We had a couple leather pieces drop but we have 10 leather wearers or did last week

Didn’t even bother rolling, that shits for the birds

[alpine wraith]

this was my latest sim meanwhile locks mages already at almost 100k xd https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/buFZYAAXwqBgnnrNLYmD5h

[thorny wagon]

Holy Sockets

[slim aurora]

4set lucky man

[dire ravine]

4p?

nice

[sudden quarry]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uqACr5urEBGf2Jn2xbKqLC

With 2 set, meanwhile other classes doing more without any set 😂

[spare bobcat]

For our first puzzle box use, are we precasting it before the pull or right after our first shadowstrike before cds?

[alpine wraith]

strike puzzle

then go into dance

[spare bobcat]

God i hatw this trinket

[alpine wraith]

it is what it is until we get guidon

[spare bobcat]

Noted ty

[pastel arrow]

When i saw academy in MM pool, i cried

[spare bobcat]

Yes.... i avoided it in DF cus i didnt play

But man now i know the pain

[pastel arrow]

at least let us cast it when moving

[spare bobcat]

Dogshit trinket

[weary tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hmPoLasTmAp1y3ceGNSfbU i got quite lucky in splits

[real panther]

soul bottle is also a pain... catching bubbles again? man in my 20man raid I don't see those

[south kernel]

YO is the haste thing still BIS even tho it has this dogwater random delay where it sometimes takes an entire sec to update?

[pastel arrow]

is void and light ring good or just ok tier

[pastel arrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hBQfCZD8MuLogyJBPKMHGZ i sim like poopoo

[weary tree]

you also have 0 set pieces

[sudden quarry]

Holy shit, that’s nice. I wasn’t that lucky with splits

[weary tree]

Still missing trinket though 🙁

[pastel arrow]

yeah didn't get lucky, did all NM, all LFR, 4/9 hm, i only got loot on Chimaerus, but i got lucky roll 100 on trinket and 99 on belt

[weary tree]

Trinkets are better on long term anyways

Shits harder to get

[pastel arrow]

someone wanna buy me the chimaerus 1M but i kept it, i hope i don't regret

all this effort to do green parse tho

[tribal vortex]

1m lol

I would have given it 3 times xd

[hazy breach]

Unfortunately guidon (any haste trinket really) is cursed too

Since deepening shadows doesn't update instantly

[tribal blade]

fuu said it could take up to 1 sec to update

[hazy breach]

If you want to make absolutely sure you get the haste increase you need to wait almost a full second after casting your trinket beforehand you dance

[tribal blade]

which is

yeah

[south kernel]

i thought i was crazy when it wasnt updating

[pastel arrow]

too much things to think

[south kernel]

i use it on the shadowstrike on the opener aswell and it sometimes still DOESNT update

[tribal blade]

i noticed the same thing

[hazy breach]

Which then makes dancing at the end of the trinket really hard

[pastel arrow]

i like playing sub but my brain is fried

one wrong move, the dps goes into abyss

[tribal blade]

lol you should have played TWW sub then

this is nothing compared to that

sub is more recoverable now in dps i think

[hazy breach]

Idk I feel like this is more unintuitive than tww

[pastel arrow]

i've always played assa cause sub was complicate to get into

[south kernel]

this dude

[hazy breach]

Because in tww the unintuitiveness came from actual gameplay

[tribal blade]

i meant more so 1 wrong move dps into the abyss thing

[south kernel]

its WAY worse tbh

far more unintuitive

[hazy breach]

Now it's for how milliseconds interact on the backend if blizzards servers

[indigo wraith]

Yesterday i did a lot of progress on Crown Heroic went to 8% , is it me or rogue do shit dps on this boss compared to others

[bleak night]

this haste shit aint it

ngl

[south kernel]

this haste shit is WORSE than it

[tribal blade]

i dunno how i'm gonna be able to wait exactly 1 sec before going into dance

this is gonna be tough

[sudden quarry]

Not only this boss mate

[warm marlin]

[tribal blade]

i want to DO damage

[hazy breach]

In tww you be like "oh yeah backstabbing in dance that wasn't obvious but it makes sense ig"

[tribal blade]

not HOLD damage

[hazy breach]

Now it's like "ig I need to macro these because otherwise this random 0.2s delay will screw me over"

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl3DgJ7e5Gg

[alpine wraith]

that is so funny ahaha is it really that inconsistent?

[warm marlin]

I think waiting one second is probably better than the alternative

[hazy breach]

It updates every second

[weary tree]

just gotta do it on the last global i guess

[tribal blade]

probably just "1 mississipi" after pressing guidon lol

[open coyote]

would we want to go DS for vorasius and salhadaar?

[hazy breach]

Very consistently every second, but how long it is in-between your on-use and that update is "random"

[vestal escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[hazy breach]

(practically random)

[weary tree]

turn on your stopwatch when you press it

[pastel arrow]

i try do learn sub, think i do not bad, i'm mid dps and get kick from pug raid, life is good

[alpine wraith]

damn usually you had 1 or 2 server ticks like for sec tech buff snapshots

but this time we even go for the hardtick

[pastel arrow]

when class parse lower but got 15k more dps

[open coyote]

when playing DS i assume we wanna macro shuriken storm into the SB/Dance/trinket/pot macro aswell right?

or would we not use that macro for DS

[alpine wraith]

you dont macro trink to dance

[open coyote]

no no but it's in my Shadow blades macro

[hollow spear]

So what you guys are saying is that we need PI hard assigned to us?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[hazy breach]

Bottom question

[alpine wraith]

actually from what we were talking you might not even want to macro blades and trink

with how krangled it is the haste update

i didnt know tha tone

[hazy breach]

No because pi sucks donkey balls

Like the only thing it does is sectech cdr

[hollow spear]

You were supposed to say "Yes, it's basically mandatory to play the spec"

[hazy breach]

As you'll be overcapping all sht

[hollow spear]

I need a screenshot for my priests

[open coyote]

yeah my bad i worded that terribly, i don't macro my guidon into my blades, i use that before

[hazy breach]

I've done a 20s sim with bl where I removed all of the cp gained from blades

And it's no difference in dps

[jaunty heath]

What cooldown manager are you guys using

[hollow spear]

Jokes aside, might that not aid us actually getting the 2nd sectec in our blades window?

[hazy breach]

As were overcapping the fuck out of sht

[kind basin]

Any warcraftlogs geniuses able to write a filter to see wasted supercharges? (as in non-apexed)

[north schooner]

What makes no sense is why they don't just check your haste on SD cast instead. Even if the tooltip updates once every second you'd at least get the correct duration

[hazy breach]

Ye but you can get that anyway, that's why guidon is good

[hollow spear]

Because with the one second delay on trinket use, it might be a little bit of a 50/50 to actually get the increased dance duration

[sudden quarry]

With the trinket you get it in the last second when servers are fine 😂

[south kernel]

btw with 4p and guidon u hold 2nd dance till sectech right?

[hollow spear]

Feels a bit like hoping for your second sectec during the first dance with max danse stacks

[south kernel]

or dance-finish-tech

[hollow spear]

But worse

[south kernel]

right?

[hollow spear]

Sounds good until you arrive at the second part of your sentence

[open coyote]

does that mean that i don't use my 2nd dance as soon as the first one runs out, but save it so i can 9 CP the 2nd sec tec in shadow blades?

or just do a normal 7 cp sec tec at the last second

[hazy breach]

Ideally (this is really hard because of the update frequency shit) you use dance at the end of guidon to snapshot the haste and get sectech as the second Supercharged finisher

[swift tinsel]

I’m just gonna play pirate

[hollow spear]

I hate all of this

[swift tinsel]

Yeah this backend shit is stupid

[alpine wraith]

this is so silly

[jaunty heath]

Bring back sepsis

[south kernel]

yea....... im hoping assa gets a 15% buff

[hollow spear]

Is it AHK time?

[hazy breach]

Idk you probably still Supercharge sectech in blades

Even if you can't snapshot the haste duration

[hollow spear]

one shot macro?

[south kernel]

and if the update is slower

u might ahve more leeway

[hazy breach]

Ahk doesn't do much

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I’m playing outlaw on Tuesday lol

[south kernel]

so i guess u never pay attention to guidon

[hollow spear]

Well, it helps making the second consistent

Because I don't trust myself to perfectly time that every single time

And the longer you wait, the more likely it is that you don't get the extra duration on your 2nd dance

[keen dome]

[alpine wraith]

you can dance at least with 3 secs of sec tech cd

as you can dance evis strike sec tech

[south kernel]

it sucks so fucking much that u cant prestack an apex to evis-tech

[alpine wraith]

but yea seems sub is as unpolular as ever the full guide does not even have 100 views kekw meanwhile my flicker one from PoE has more

[hollow spear]

idk

in m0 I see only sub rogues

in lfg

[south kernel]

to be fair deepining shadow made me consider swapping classes for the first time ever so

[south kernel]

less than 3% of playerbase is rogues anyway

and if ALL of em are sub

thats what?

[hollow spear]

3%?

[south kernel]

200 ppl?

[swift tinsel]

[south kernel]

ye

i saw the thing the other day of like % of classes at max lvl

rogue was 2nd lowest

BARELY above evoker

[tribal blade]

i think it's the most played spec in raid atm

out of rogues

[south kernel]

it has to be

[tribal blade]

but that's such a small community

[tribal blade]

last i checked it was

[swift tinsel]

It’s often the go-to prog spec so I’m not entirely surprised

[lilac stag]

Still tanky

our brothers. Not as much

[swift tinsel]

But seeing people jump ship after experiencing it in raid won’t surprise me much either

[south kernel]

to be fair assa turbo struggles

[tame notch]

Archon says that 61.9% of raid rogues are subs

[lilac stag]

I’m surprised we’re still this busy in here after one week

[south kernel]

i thought to myself oh double dragon might be fun for assa with new CT

i did ALOT worse

[alpine wraith]

sub rogue can be the more popular rogue spec but the total population

is quite low

[lilac stag]

but all three specs are trash

[tribal blade]

it does, but it's a few tuning cycles away from being the best

[south kernel]

true

[alpine wraith]

i mean it is the same 10 people as always

then someone asking about macros

[south kernel]

and lowkey i think once mythic rolls assa will be WAY better

cos everyone and their mother pads on ads

[weary tree]

After shadowlands it slowly went down and down i think

[lilac stag]

and then apex

[south kernel]

if u sort by boss damage

[lilac stag]

and then, fuck this

[south kernel]

also i think both of the bosses on march of cringedalas is mostly ST

[lilac stag]

I wonder how many of the DK rerollers rerolled back.

[south kernel]

and beloren has like 200 execute phases

[open coyote]

vessel of tortured souls is only super good when you actually have the chance to pick up all the souls right? if you don't have that option or if you just suck at it what would be a good alternative trinket to grab?

[south kernel]

tho im VERY surprised as to how assa didnt turbo struggle on energy

[lilac stag]

Jesus we need a vessel command at this point

[tribal blade]

!vessel

[south kernel]

!vessel

[weary tree]

make it

[lilac stag]

Every 30 minutes what about my orbs

[south kernel]

LMAO

[tribal blade]

!guy

[south kernel]

!summonfuu

[tribal blade]

damn bot's down

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-cabbages-gif-5990800

[south kernel]

doesnt work

[open coyote]

[hollow spear]

!serverupdatessuckdonkeybutt

it really is dead

[weary tree]

But having vessel command isn't a bad idea

[tribal blade]

it's gonna be so hard to not button mash going into blades windows

maybe i unironially do the slow opener

[lilac stag]

Just watch the trinket animation then mash

[south kernel]

fuck that imma run alnseer

kek

[tribal blade]

true yeah

[hollow spear]

I've been trained to press my buttons as fast as possible and now I have to slow it down

[weary tree]

Or just think faster

[lilac stag]

you could also force a gcd macroing trinket to swirly ball. You still can’t mash though

[tribal blade]

does not compute

[lilac stag]

you at least know if gcd is up you good to mash

[hollow spear]

Maybe I will go back to a blades/dance/sectec macro

and use my trinket on the global before

[lilac stag]

That’s what I did

Way better. Still has room for error

[south kernel]

thats what i do

i just strike trinket on the opener

since its off gcd

and let the gcd line it up for me

[hollow spear]

think I have to do that

muscle memory is too strong

oh boy, I miss the time when I still thought the delay was 0.2 seconds

[sudden quarry]

An that’s the reason fucking puzzle box is shit 😂

[hollow spear]

I haven't gotten it yet

Maybe RNGsus knows that it would break me

[lilac stag]

Enjoy double on use in keys

2 button spec now 4 buttons due to trinkets.

[south kernel]

whats the second one?

[fresh canyon]

Screw it. Just run passive trinkets

[lilac stag]

puzzle + light from raid for keys

[hollow spear]

Like vessel?

[fresh canyon]

NOT like vessel

[south kernel]

NONONONO

NO

no shot

ur memeing right

scath

ur meming

right?

[lilac stag]

Just wait

[simple locust]

hi, i got puzzle box yesterday, didnt know it has a cast time, i use it before my blades/dance/sectec macro, is that wrong?

[hollow spear]

I will int my weeklies by channeling puzzie b in some goo

[lilac stag]

Meme to dream soon™

[south kernel]

playing a 1:30 trinket

[sudden quarry]

I want this smolderon trinket back. You just macroed it to anything an it was fine

[south kernel]

just to time it ith a 2 min

is diabolical

[sudden quarry]

No that’s fine. You don’t want to cast it after your cds. You would waste gcds

[simple locust]

ty

[fathom adder]

can you cast puzzle while walking?

[sudden quarry]

No

[simple locust]

i could not yesterday

i think you could with halls trinket last season, no?

[sudden quarry]

That’s why it was weird back then and still is now

[hollow spear]

I remember this trinket during eternal palace

[simple locust]

is bloodmallets sims for races somewhat legit? im night elf, and even tho all races look close, do i have to factor in the 1%haste or 1% crit from elves?

[hollow spear]

was that also hard cast without movement?

[simple locust]

i played fire mage back then, i think you couldnt move during the cast, but double on use was lit

[sudden quarry]

Just don’t play mecha gnome. Those rats are ugly af

[simple locust]

also people complaining about the longer pull timer 😄

[open swan]

should i be loading for 5 shadow techniques as much as possible prior to dance sec tec

[dark roost]

has light company guidon been fixed so I can macro it to shadow blades?

[tulip silo]

dont speak ill of diaperbabies

[upbeat cradle]

Woah i won't accept slander towards my people

[torn tide]

are they gonna do another tuning before 24th?

[tame notch]

Ye we get 3% buff 🤡

[torn tide]

lmfao i still remember the pic of that mechagnome baby laying on the floor with a diaper on

[somber fog]

#showtooltip Stealth
/cancelaura [nocombat] Shadow Dance
/cast !Stealth

this macro work for you?

[silver yarrow]

Guys, with the tierset and more gear, do you think sub will be the best spec in raid? I really like outlaw, but if sub is way better I'll play it.

[hollow spear]

I've done like 20 m+ after I got my 4p and still haven't gotten a catalyst charge

[torn tide]

damn well atleast its something lol

[hollow spear]

Do I have to do something else?

[torn tide]

cant complain about an increase

[warm marlin]

im not 100% sure if m0 counts

pvp has given me 3 charges

[hollow spear]

wat

on one character?

[warm marlin]

yeah i played a lot of games though

[hollow spear]

holyy

[chilly kite]

i got mine from killing a raid boss that drops tier, after getting 4pc

[torn tide]

wtf how

[warm marlin]

like 150 total I think between 2s and 3s

they go by fast

[torn tide]

like if u win they just hand u the charge??

[warm marlin]

i don't even notice i get it

i just checked at the end of our last session and i was at 3 charges in currency tab instead of 1

[torn tide]

i havent even gotten 1p how tf are yall already at 4p and farming morr

[chilly kite]

its also an item in your bag

[torn tide]

is my rng that bad

[warm marlin]

well you get 1 guaranteed from 1600 and 1 you already have

[astral axle]

they're just more handsome

[warm marlin]

and then you get RC loot counciled 2 pieces from raid and you're 4p

[astral axle]

[chilly kite]

what you do is put in your note that its for 2pc

for the first peice

then put its for 4pc in your note for 2nd peice

[torn tide]

i did full raid without getting shit

[hollow spear]

How did you know?

[chilly kite]

you technically not wrong

[random mason]

My council spread the THREE leather pieces we dropped yesterday onto 3 different people and gave me a track upgrade on guidon

[warm marlin]

idk bruh we gave a leather healer 4p we had so many tokens

a healer!

imagine that

[hollow spear]

non tryhard guilds usually give each player one

[chilly kite]

the other rogue got trinket and crown neck i got 2pc i think he won lol

[random mason]

Yeah but my 8% dmg from 2p

[hollow spear]

8% of what?

50k?

[random mason]

Dmg that matters

[sudden quarry]

Split raids sir

[warm marlin]

alleria neck will be in my vault surely

[hollow spear]

Luckily our uhdk have good trinkets

[random mason]

We were close to wiping on chimera multiple times bc horrors werent dying

[hollow spear]

So my guidon looks juicy in wowaudit

[chilly kite]

trust the RL doesn't care about the dps under the aug evokers lol maybe if blizz gives us real tuneing it will matter

[hollow spear]

I am not sure whether that's because they don't deal damage if they hit it or because they just don't hit it at all

[random mason]

I think ppl just arent swapping

[hollow spear]

(jk I am sure)

[muted kindle]

is there a big diff between crafting belt over say bracer? or they both similar?

[random mason]

I saved every cd that i reasonably could for it

[hollow spear]

"Colo, why are you hitting the boss? There's a far barrel still up" - our raid leader on Rik Reverb

[astral axle]

yeah like this bastard

[hollow spear]

I will never live that shit down

[astral axle]

[random mason]

i have horrible memories from the casual guild i was raiding with for reverb

[swift tinsel]

[random mason]

we had like 3 ppl on barrels

[torn tide]

ah maybe thats the problem lol i dont have another char to do splits

no time

[swift tinsel]

our ranged were...special on that fight

[bleak night]

Rik is the reason I learned sub

[hollow spear]

our demo locks were busy cleaving the living heck out of the melee barrels

[swift tinsel]

^^^^

same with our mages

[warm marlin]

in my very humble opinion I probably will not want to spend mythic crests on a craft for a while, so I opted for the less important wrist slot vs. belt, but both are similar

[bleak night]

Bc nobody would hit the fucking barrels

[chilly kite]

Rik was the reason I maxed my professions and did way more fishing than i ever should have

[swift tinsel]

was the 2x hunters and a spriest the only ones consistently doing our ranged barrels til we got mad

[random mason]

that's what i had to do on that boss

did tank dmg on boss

almost beat by our guardian druid

[bleak night]

Honestly playing ranged this tier has made me even more mad about all the times ranged just didnt swap

Bro you just press tab

[random mason]

i was playing outlaw for that in heroic and was consistently topping barrel dmg

[hollow spear]

sub and ww absolutely manhandled the barrels

some tanks just decided you should pull the boss to the next location before the barrels were cleaved down

[warm marlin]

good times on prog

[hollow spear]

sectec sniping a la bonne heure

[warm marlin]

i miss lou sub

lou tier set with mfo trinkets

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/you-should-call-him-alex-engvid-you-should-give-him-a-call-you-should-make-a-call-to-him-gif-25791041

[hollow spear]

A random nerf hammer just hit me in the face

[barren ember]

How correct are the Sub Rogue Sims atm?

Feather constantly sims low to me, even tho everyone says its such a good trinket

Is the idea of feather being good that u are below 700 haste (im above) and use it for dmg window to be above 700 ?

[fiery fog]

Do not doubt the simbot overlord

[hazy breach]

Feather is mid as it's a 2 min trinket that we are using as a 3 min trinket

[barren ember]

same with puzzle thing or not

[hazy breach]

Ye

[barren ember]

And puzzle constantly sims high, but the praised feather is supposed to be less dmg than some random ass double passive set

I was just wondering if I miss smt.

[bleak night]

people will do anything to not use puzzlebox

[barren ember]

And while we are on it, if we use 3 min trinkets (looking at netherprism) why is Puzzle and Feather Combó so bad in sims? Cos we have more dmg now in non-blades shadow dances and double use aint taht valuable anymore?

[shrewd lantern]

get guidon

[bleak night]

ye then press it an entire second before your dance

[barren ember]

Id love to just play Feather & Puzzle and alternate :p But the mighty robot isnt happy about it

[random mason]

netherprism was good bc it was an actual 3min

not a 2min that we use as a 3min

[bleak night]

yeah netherprism scaled up to 3m

[fiery fog]

Killed the boss 9 times across 3 chars and havent seen it dropping once

[barren ember]

hmm ya makes sense

[bleak night]

but a 2m like puzzlebox doesnt get any stronger at 3m

netherprism my beloved

[shrewd lantern]

also people forget

[bleak night]

i miss you

[chilly kite]

with 4pc is it ever possible to hit 2 sectek in blades? or is jus always gonna be off by 1 second

[shrewd lantern]

double on use was only a good thing with sub's profile

+it was specifically prism+forge

no other combo

[silver yarrow]

Guys, with the tier set and more gear, do you think Sub will be the clear best raid spec? I really like Outlaw, but if Sub is way better I’ll swap.

[shrewd lantern]

they're all equally in the dumpster

[barren ember]

And what sim are yall doing for Imperator or Dragons? Hectic Add Cleave?

[zinc kayak]

We should wait for next week for GIGA +3% buff to ALL damage

its so huge we'll destroy the warlocks for sure

why bugfix when u have +3% dmg amp!!!

[shrewd lantern]

also tbh there was a case to be made

[marble badger]

Did Vessel of tortured souls stoped simming?

[shrewd lantern]

with double on use wasnt even that good on sub outside of certain fights

and antenna+using prism as a 3min was better

[silver yarrow]

I know. But our 4 piece gives us like 10% more dps than outlaw. That's why i'm wondering if sub will outpace the rest.

[shrewd lantern]

definitely not on paladins

[indigo current]

hi, quick question

how do you guys play around algethar puzzle box

this fucking trinket drives me nuts

[indigo current]

also i agree

[slate nest]

I am not touching vessel ever! It's so garbage to use my god

[unkempt walrus]

99% parse on paladin boss and being 9th on dmg is pretty sad

[slate nest]

Precast and use every 3 minutes with blades

[indigo current]

u think?

i popped it even on soft cds

its fucking garbage and i cant wait to get rid of it

[tiny lark]

Guys the 2nd craft in on belt with haste mastery right??

[balmy gate]

Not worth it just use it with the Blades

[alpine wraith]

second craft depends on what you get

[indigo current]

cool

thanks

[alpine wraith]

you can craft it on wrist or belt and forget or craft on pants for more stats but it is whatever in the end

[slate nest]

Since it's 2 min cd you either use it off cd and have it for 1st and 4th blades or use it every 2nd blades

[shrewd lantern]

yeah the technical best second craft

[indigo current]

ill try every 2nd

[shrewd lantern]

is making 246 socketed pvp bracers

[indigo current]

cause popping it on cd is so amazing

makes me enjoy life to the fullest

[alpine wraith]

yea ia lready have socketed wrist and belt form pvp

i may craft mythic pants

[shrewd lantern]

i didnt bother with belt

since i got a 263 one from raid

[alpine wraith]

246+socket is better than 263

kekw

[indigo current]

xddddd

lucky you

so far i got 0 items from raid

cleared normal and half of hc xd

[shrewd lantern]

i think everyone prob put belt craft

[alpine wraith]

but not bu much so it is whatever

[shrewd lantern]

why lc gave me it

[indigo current]

you can craft whatever slot is lacking

embellishment matters most

anwyay

[slate nest]

Currently I just did veteran craft with embelish on shoulders bcs I had still adventurer

[shrewd lantern]

embellishment barely matters in general

they kinda weak

but yeah

[indigo current]

yeah

but u craft only for that and to boost ilvl

in a particular slot

so

[slate nest]

For spark I'd say only use it once m+ vault

[shrewd lantern]

well crafted gear is a crest loss this season

so its mostly just if super unlaaki

[indigo current]

i crafted champion weapon

since its bis offhand anyway

and just gonna recraft it to higher ilvl

[slate nest]

Yeah for us it's good

[shrewd lantern]

that didnt cost any crests

not the same

[indigo current]

thats what i mean

only craft that pays off this week

[slate nest]

Like first craft for us is weapon 100%

[indigo current]

recraft next week with crests

gg

[slate nest]

Exactly

[shrewd lantern]

ima get vorasius weapon first mythic kill on reset

trust

[indigo current]

has anyone beaten torment's rise on ??

[indigo current]

i dont trust this game to give me items bro

xd

[median sigil]

Yo so do we want main stat food or secondary stat food?

[indigo current]

not anymore

[indigo current]

main

[shrewd lantern]

pugging lol

[slate nest]

You csn easily get to +10 first week and you can get myth crests from that and just recraft myth weapon ez

[median sigil]

Thats what i figured. Thank you

[shrewd lantern]

there are a few rogues with the title from first 40k kills

[slate nest]

have a guildie in HoF for it

[shrewd lantern]

so yeah people have

[median sigil]

Couple of my guildies habe the hof delve thing

[shrewd lantern]

:l

i was stuck at work

[indigo current]

fuck me

some pumpers those guys

i dont have patience for that

did mage tower back in the day on all specs relatively easily

[median sigil]

I never really cared for it to be honest

[slate nest]

It's a 10 min fight with around 50k dps

[indigo current]

but this shit makes my blood boil

[shrewd lantern]

well magetower was easy

unless you did it day 1

[indigo current]

day 1 baby

thje only way

when someone says mage tower was easy i just know they did it overgeared lmao

[bold hatch]

Yo is it still good to sneak in a backstab in a dance window for danse macabre ?

[warm marlin]

and delve ?? is the reverse!

[median sigil]

Im just trying to figure out the raid bosses on heroic. Like first boss is it better to just stick to boss and let the rdps handle the adds. Or do i go out and help

[slate nest]

I wasn't here during legion, was playing private servers till Shadowlands :l

[warm marlin]

Pre valeera nerf it was so free

[indigo current]

aaaa

shadowlands

i like how everyone went quiet for a bit

minute of silence

[slate nest]

first boss the main 3 adds are tank soak no?

[indigo current]

everyone soaks

unless u want ur tank to tank a nuke

[median sigil]

On heroic they spawn a bunch of lil qdds u have to keep away from the boss

[chilly kite]

i gave up on the ?? boss, I can't rip threat from healer valeera and she dies over and over again

[indigo current]

on hc first boss u keep adds away from boss

[fair phoenix]

Some easy way to see the vessel trinket procs

[indigo current]

and boss away from portals

[slate nest]

Season 1 was good, you did your torghast only for your leggos then just did m+ and raid

[noble elk]

this cost me my sanity

im going to bed c u all tuesday

[indigo current]

see u

[median sigil]

Obviously you soak but afyer that you habe to keep them away from the boss atleast 10 feet

[slate nest]

See ya

Ah didn't know

I am in a weak team currently so we just did normal yet

mainly alts of the main team play there and me bcs no time to actually play for mythic dd

[median sigil]

My guild has 1 teams im on the weekend team we are 7/9 normal and 6/9 heroic

[indigo current]

?

is this ai

[swift tinsel]

do heroic last 2 bosses give myth crests?

[median sigil]

Yes

[warm marlin]

Alleria does the others don’t

[swift tinsel]

a

ah

was gonna say that shouldn't be possible otherwise

[warm marlin]

I don’t think vanguard does at least

[slate nest]

We are 7/9 norm but didn't try heroic yet

[noble elk]

@indigo current

https://raider.io/characters/us/proudmoore/Jareni

[indigo current]

ok

[noble elk]

alot of games 2100+ pvp and the 30 from ??

[indigo current]

so 30 crests from ??

got it

[warm marlin]

Ah 2100+ pvp

[swift tinsel]

you get 30 from ?? and 20 from 11's

[warm marlin]

Gamer

[swift tinsel]

ohhh

[indigo current]

im not that mentally ill to farm that

this week

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's super chad

[indigo current]

but gz

broski

[warm marlin]

I have 40 rn I think

[swift tinsel]

I'm at 50

[slate nest]

2100 gives how many?

[random mason]

Crafted myth weapon and didnt even get max quality

[shrewd lantern]

im pretty sure if you hate yourself enough

[swift tinsel]

just from ?? and delves

[random mason]

Lmao

[noble elk]

3 a win 1 a loss

[shrewd lantern]

you could do tier 11s on your alts

[noble elk]

its max quality

[shrewd lantern]

to level up delver's journey

[noble elk]

its bugged

on site

[indigo current]

it shows diff cause its from r.io

[noble elk]

285 is max

[indigo current]

priobably

not in game

[shrewd lantern]

but also gl with 2100+ pvp rn

thats literally the top of the ladder

atm

[bleak night]

i did two 11s before i got to rank 4 so im stuck at 40 myth crests

[random mason]

Oh i was gonna say

[bleak night]

gg

[swift tinsel]

yeah I cba to pvp any time let alone now when ladders are scuffed

[fair phoenix]

What best level tô get veteran ones

[swift tinsel]

should still be able to do bountiful ones, they're 4 daily

[blissful gale]

!bp

[simple locust]

i did not loot ?? so good bye 35 crests

[shrewd lantern]

2100 rn is where all the literal r1 tourney players

are queueing rn

[bleak night]

i mean i looted two gilded caches before i was rank 4

[swift tinsel]

ohhh

ouch

[slate nest]

Ye 2100 early season is crazy

[bleak night]

i mean it just means i craft weapon like one dungeon later

[swift tinsel]

also a bit miffed they cap season journey xp weekly

[bleak night]

not really a big deal

but a bit sad

[swift tinsel]

ye true

are myth crests from +7 or +9 in m+? saw some charts say 7 but wowhead article said 9

[slate nest]

Does the Valeera xp farm still work?

[simple locust]

yep true, that is me too, so instead of 55 myth crests i have 10

[noble elk]

i did blitz btw

38-36

i am not good

just played alot

[bleak night]

the tooltip says 9

but it used to be 7

and its a blizzard tooltip so it cant be trusted

[swift tinsel]

ty ty

[slate nest]

Ah yeah blitz is fast rating true

[shrewd lantern]

im not in a rush

[north schooner]

blizzard tooltips are known for their accuracy

[shrewd lantern]

since waiting for vorasius mythic to go down first

[swift tinsel]

I'll just be pleasantly surprised if my first +7 gives 10 myth

otherwise just running 2x 9's will be fine

[shrewd lantern]

i mean hes probably a joke of a boss

even on mythic

maybe more wall breaks

[slate nest]

First 3 will fall hour 1

Dragons is the first hard fight ngl

[bleak night]

im playing spriest and the only staff in all 3 raids drops from the very last boss so

[shrewd lantern]

chim being a 10 min heroic boss day 1

was fucking funny

[bleak night]

im crafting a staff immediately

[fair phoenix]

!looy

!loot

[swift tinsel]

was there any mythic testing or just n/hc?

[bleak night]

yeah there was some

[slate nest]

our guild did 14 minutes

[swift tinsel]

ah

[fair phoenix]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

was gonna say would be cool if they throw in an omegabanger mythic saladhar

[slate nest]

Saladbar is legit just orbs leave mini orbs no?

and you have to order interrupt ads

[swift tinsel]

idk I haven't seen anything in myth

[slate nest]

I just read the journal

[chilly kite]

journal makes the first fight sound like a banger

but i'm sure its gonna be way easier than it sounds

[slate nest]

Tbh i dont really care, gonna hopefully do aotc with team 2 then maybe like first 3 on myth, that's my current season goals

Other than that

Maybe +18 on m+

Would be cool

Depends on how hard pushing keys will be

[noble elk]

The ?? Cooked me so bad I’m not tired anymore lmfao

What a hard fight

[slate nest]

Yeah gl xd 10 minutes of focus

Maybe a little less if you can keep your dps above 50k

[chilly kite]

what level is your valeera

like i have the dps no problem, she just keeps dieing over and over again as healer

[noble elk]

27

[olive canyon]

are you tricksing her?

[slate nest]

24 I think

[shy ferry]

how does haste scale after the ~18-20% breakpoint? i find too much kind ajust makes the timers bad

[swift tinsel]

I should try it again now that my Valeera is like 42 or 44

[chilly kite]

nope

she just hold agro for some reason as healer

[swift tinsel]

since she was 18 or 19 when I killed it lol

[olive canyon]

odd, there has to be a bug when in some runs sheheals and others she doesnt

[slate nest]

You should stop haste after 18, go mastery rest no?

[noble elk]

I didn’t tricks her u gotta balance when u press shadow dance so it goes on her

The. When it’s on u u gotta rotate cds and use fiegn or whatever it’s called

[chilly kite]

she is useally around 10% hp before the first set of adds and idk what else to do, to keep her dumbass alive

[swift tinsel]

I'm sure elusiveness goes hard on ??

when you're tanking

[tribal blade]

you can let her die then revive her

[slate nest]

Or just level her up till 40+

[chilly kite]

he kills me when i revive her almost everytime

[tribal blade]

fair enough yeah

[olive canyon]

That seems real odd - maybe you are just using her far too much to tank, p1 should be simple between standing in her circles, and making sure to grab the vials to keep the rolling heal going

then use feint and your own vial for moments where the aboive doesnt exist

[chilly kite]

if he would stick on me then i'd be fine

but he won't attack me until she dies

[swift tinsel]

you can pretty much perma-4stack her hot

if you time it well

[slate nest]

Go into grudge pit, stealth open all the little baggies for valeera xp, leave, repeat

[swift tinsel]

which is ~20-25k hps

[olive canyon]

my kill was 7m 59s - save your cds for adds and it gets a bit tight from how much dmg he does at the end

[nocturne tendon]

sounds like you have tricks on her?

[fiery fog]

I had a pretty easy run once valeera was lvl 35
Used the crit curio and the time bubble one (because it also reduces your cooldowns) and had a pretty easy time
Nuked the 25% add with pot before the boss was done with his cast

[swift tinsel]

if you use Dance you drop all threat and he beelines for her

can't control that

[olive canyon]

Yeh that sounds odd, other than the first 2-3 globals at most in dance, he is on me

[chilly kite]

nope and even if there was some kind of bug i untalent tricks

[swift tinsel]

its a literal -10million threat dump the second you press Dance

[fiery fog]

Just make sure you pick up health orbs when youre not in dance because you switch aggro with dance

[olive canyon]

but if she keeps dying, save your feint and/or evasion to rez her

[simple locust]

my valeera was 45 on wednesday and she kept getting killed over and over, you just had to feint + 4 stacks of the health globe hot rolling and you could revive her, with interact button it was much easier to rezz her

[nocturne tendon]

only other thing would be you're chaining dances way too hard, i noticed valeera was getting super low at the start too so i didnt chain 3 dances on the opener and let her heal a bit after the 2nd

[swift tinsel]

yea binding interact is basically required for a lot of things now

[chilly kite]

my valeera never heals

is there a talents i'm not using

[nocturne tendon]

you can kinda heal her if you eat orbs like crazy

[simple locust]

also you can ping her to go into the heal cloud (green one) - i havent tried it yet tho

[noble elk]

Is she set to healer ?

[olive canyon]

Her healing comes through those vials and the green circle

[noble elk]

Check the stone she might be set to tank

[olive canyon]

or she is bugged, so go out , reset and resummon her - eat at the camp fire she puts down too

[chilly kite]

she is set to healer, i didn't know u could actually get her to move, she likes to sit in the aoe on the ground and fight things

[swift tinsel]

the one pull she inherited the HoT was the pull I killed it

[simple locust]

also, dont try to rezz when the gravitation orb is near, and lastly, doing it as a grp of 4 + valeera is like so easy its boring, only need to kick once every 20 sec and its fine

[olive canyon]

Yep the moment she started to heal at times too, the fight became much easier

[chilly kite]

so is her not healing the bug or is her healing the bug

[swift tinsel]

never got the instant heal from the heart though

some folks lucked into that lol

[olive canyon]

if she is not dropping red things on the ground, she is bugged

[chilly kite]

she drops the potions and the circles but she never healers

heals herself

[olive canyon]

are there any green or purple circles?

oh ok, seems bugged - the fight is quite buggy

Kyveza was much better

[chilly kite]

so just slam my face at it until i rng her healing herself then

[olive canyon]

this was just obnoxious

maybe take a break, reset then go back to it

[chilly kite]

i tried for about an hour last night then said to hell with it, i'll get the crests from M+

[simple locust]

is there a statistic of kills per spec for nullaeus?

[hollow spear]

I think some of these crests are on top of cap

[chilly kite]

they are, i just don't care enough to spam delves to level her up

[hollow spear]

you can just do it in a group afaik

[chilly kite]

i just wanted to kill the stupid boss

[hollow spear]

haven't done it yet

[chilly kite]

yea guildy went in on a fresh 90 and did it without a problem as a tank

maybe that 3% buff will let me hold threat lmao

[alpine wraith]

think i will make a guide today about it but the most important thing that people miss i think is just ignore last dog add

and nuke boss with everything

i did kill her with 244 ivl and she was lvl 17 but also you can get rnged

[rugged condor]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gilded ferry]

its really humbling to grey parse isnt it

im old

[swift tinsel]

I'm not even looking at my parses til I get tier set lol

first week of raid was kinda rough with people learning so timers and positioning were pretty scuffed across the board

[static jolt]

can i dm someone about some questions regarding "rotation"? things seem counter intuitive a bit and i wanna ask a few things

also, input seems to be a bit off which fucks with my brain sometimes

[swift tinsel]

also unpredictable or erratic tank movement is going to be my 13th reason this season I feel

[full halo]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[upbeat cradle]

Has anyone managed to find the exact % of the eyes of the eagle enchant?

[swift tinsel]

you can sim it in top gear

[alpine wraith]

0.75 r1 1.25% rank 2

for crit dmg

[swift tinsel]

oh you mean the actual tooltip lol

[dry ferry]

anyone know how this can be in my rogues mailbox? XD its not even from raid?

[stone dirge]

It's a BoE

[dry ferry]

oh its boe

ty

[gusty jungle]

Guys do we have somthing similar to wow analyzer for rogue ? we cannot use it yet...

im not really that good into reading logs

[surreal knoll]

When you say last dog add, you mean the caster ogre?

[tight cypress]

hey I'm new to sub rogue. Do you ever use Secret Technique outside Shadow Dance?

[jade urchin]

no

[tight cypress]

thanks!

[jade urchin]

so far for sub it just feels like send on cooldown

highest reasonable delay was like 10 seconds i think

on saladbar amp

but timers will drastically change with gear anyways so nothing matters

[severe void]

In 2 target situations, am i suppose to be using black powder aswell or evis?

[jade urchin]

i think its always black powder regardless of talents

[errant mural]

Guys, everywhere i look it up it says this macro #showtooltip
/cast [known:460677] Coup de Grace; Black Powder
/cast Black Powder
should work, but its like 80% not working, 20% working, anybody has any xp with this?

[olive canyon]

i dont believe this is the case anymore

if you dont have PP then you evis on 2 targets

[jade urchin]

the gap between evisc and black powder ist so minimal with potent powder

that it doesnt matter im pretty sure

[obsidian mirage]

why blizzard dont give us some love? they hate our class? wo why they just dont remove us?

[drifting zinc]

It should be working are you sure your in range to cast coup

[tawdry holly]

those of you who did nullaeus ?? already, did you use valeera as healer or something else? at some point i just get my ass whooped by him rn

[olive canyon]

healer

[severe void]

Used her as healer

[jade urchin]

as heal, the heal orbs give u a HoT that stacks up to 4 times

if u can get it to almost never drop u should be fine

[tawdry holly]

so just stagger the hot from orbs and you're gucci?

[jade urchin]

basically yeah

[tawdry holly]

thanks, gonna give it a shot

[torn tide]

yo we just need 1600 honor for that catalyst right?

in pvp

[slate nest]

rating not honor

[torn tide]

oh oops

how do i see that...

[slate nest]

Press h

Go into rated

you see your rating

Or open group finder sry

since they changed h to housing

Group finder pvp rated

[torn tide]

oh that?

[slate nest]

No

You see solo

A number

Usually 0 for non pvp players

[torn tide]

ahh these stuff

so i have to do them and get 1600 total?

[soft summit]

Get1600 in one of them

[torn tide]

damn, in one of them? thats gonna be fun

[slate nest]

Play solo battlegrounds

[soft summit]

I think solo battleground might be the easiest

[slate nest]

And listen to your team

You will be fine

[torn tide]

sorry i dont play pvp, battlegrounds is just like faction vs faction right

[soft summit]

Agreed. Get full pvp gear and actually try

[slate nest]

it's 8v8 you capture bases or flags

But yeah basically faction vs faction

It's fun and fast

[torn tide]

ahh

[slate nest]

If you need talent advice go to murlok.io and look at rogue talents for blitz

Top 3 usually have good talents

[torn tide]

oh lmfao i was using the raid talent build

[slate nest]

Yeah pvp is different bcs some talents do less in pvp and vice versa

[torn tide]

thanks for the help

[slate nest]

Also if you want further pvp help then just ask in #pvp people are helpful there aswell

[near herald]

are u guys simming with buffs on?

[jade urchin]

yes

[slate nest]

yes ofc

[mint bobcat]

Gotta sim yourself completely naked with 0 buffs duh

[slate nest]

check what my raid team has and use those buffs

[near herald]

and do u patchwerk 1? 🙂

[slate nest]

Or if I wanna test my sims vs my dmg on dummy I do 0 buffs 0 potions or stuff like that

[jade urchin]

patchwerk1 and for any realistic aoe dungeon slice

[mint bobcat]

Target dummys are the way, avoid sim bait.

[slate nest]

I do patchwerk 1 or dslice

[jade urchin]

patchwerk multiple targets is unrealistic scenario 99% of time so just stick to dslice for aoe

[slate nest]

yeah true, aoe with 3 or 5 targets is constant 3 or 5 targets which is super unrealistic

[ornate heron]

what is the hardest class to do ?? on?

is it spriest?

[slate nest]

your worst performing one

[mint bobcat]

?? feels impossible as sub unless I'm missing something. 256 ilvl and he will just randomly one shot me.