subtlety

[chrome palm]

I honestly don’t think it matters much

[alpine wraith]

sub gets way better on 2t

[chrome palm]

What you play for rogue

[alpine wraith]

assa too

outlaw dont think can cleave on 15y

[strange chasm]

but sin does boss damage

[alpine wraith]

sadly

[strange chasm]

lul

[warm marlin]

dragon hitbox is massive

and bf is same range as storm

[alpine wraith]

oh nice

yea max just explained they can kinda kiss

actually only fight we are omeaint is paladins i think

the extra consecrates and they get separated more often

+the other shields

[neon lava]

anyone have the best M+ talentree for sub?

[alpine wraith]

wait you can taun the beam away

[warm marlin]

actually sectec probably doesn't cleave them

clones cleaving off center of hitbox and all

[alpine wraith]

only way to know is try i guess

[warm marlin]

ah nvm

it would cleave

all is well

[alpine wraith]

yea i can actually see puzzle box gaming on that one

bug double snack on opener then longer dance on double dance after a bit

[near herald]

i dont get it why my sim drops my haste down to 15%

this is so dumb haha

[loud wharf]

Mastery in Dungeon slice is op.

That being said, if we have the hero crests are we upgrading our weapon this week? Seems worth? But maybe I am dumb

[dire flame]

thats like a waste of crests, just upgrade to mythic next week

[weak glade]

I’m personally waiting till next week tbh i did raid already and i have 30 myth track crests already

[loud wharf]

Big brain

[alpine wraith]

you will use hero crests

[ornate lake]

Can we macro guidion to the top of the macro queue and get the haste buff for deepening daggers?

Like this

/Use 13
/Blades
/Dance
/tech

[alpine wraith]

to upgrade items to 6/6 to save mythic crests

not for anything else unless you are like REALLY close to a new M kill milestone or something

[stiff stirrup]

At what target count do we switch from shadowstrike to storm and Evis to BP?

[loud wharf]

2+

2+ outside of dance is storm + BP
3+ in dance is Storm + BP

2- in dance is Strike + BP

[twin surge]

does anyone know whats the drop rate of catalyst is once you obtain 4p?

[warm marlin]

No there’s a an update delay for deepening

Very cringe!

[weak glade]

I’ve been so confused why my damage was lower than normal for my raid but learning about all this trinket nonsense it makes so much sense

Gotta unmacro that shit

[dire ravine]

I thought without potent powder at 2 or less we are using evis?

[olive canyon]

wake up, check notes...remain confused

[ornate lake]

How do I do that with an ape brain?

[young harness]

damn are we top dps with buff

[warm marlin]

make a separate keybind for guidon and keep a separate blades/dance/sectec bind

press guidon first

then blades macro 0.2-0.3s later

its around the time the flag visually hits the ground

[tropic field]

guidon?

[tropic field]

aaj

aah*

any tips on when to use puzzle box?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah disenchant

[tropic field]

hahah thats what i feel aswell

[shrewd lantern]

its just a 3min trinket

[tropic field]

sadly the mastery is insane

[shrewd lantern]

when you consider its only up every other

[shadow lance]

Cast puzzle > go into cds

[tropic field]

yeah but was thinking if its worth casting it on 2 sec pull timer

[shrewd lantern]

thank god guidon is better

no you lose pre buffs

[tropic field]

ah okey

[shadow lance]

Yes it is

[paper flame]

shadowstrike puzzle box cds

[tropic field]

okey thanks

[shadow lance]

Buff is 20 sec

So both are okay

[shrewd lantern]

i get guidon next reset trust

maybe mythic one

[tropic field]

i lost it to a damn DK

[weak glade]

I got it on norm this week

Was hype tbh

[shrewd lantern]

we didnt see a drop

[tropic field]

and lost dagger to an outlaw rogue

[shrewd lantern]

dagger i dun care about since its not mythic

[wheat edge]

on the "st" bosses, whats the diffy between ds and trickster

[shrewd lantern]

your sanity

[wheat edge]

thats already gone

[shrewd lantern]

you too twin?

[weak glade]

I will never do ds tbh unless it’s a major upgrade

Trickster is just so much more fun

[shrewd lantern]

its a small gain

[tropic field]

if the datamined class tuning is correct, will it change anything for us?

[shrewd lantern]

idk im the only rogue so

[weak glade]

Dude same

[warm marlin]

ds is a decent bit ahead especially pre tier (like 3% post 4p, 6% pre)

[shrewd lantern]

if voras drops dagger on myth

[warm marlin]

then you get dn parried and its mega behind

[wheat edge]

thats all I needed to hear

oh wait 3%

hm...

[weak glade]

Wait ds is better rn?

[wheat edge]

on single target

[shrewd lantern]

if you never cleave

ever

[warm marlin]

only pure st

[weak glade]

Fuck my life

[olive canyon]

the buff seems better than not a buff but completely devoid of trying to help the specs

[warm marlin]

also if dn does get parried it can bug to never be applyable until relog

🙂

[olive canyon]

assassination seems like itll end up the play on the more serious content

[wheat edge]

I guess I am just playing assa on those bosses anyways but

[tropic field]

DS is same rotation?

[warm marlin]

mostly

[shadow lance]

People need to read the pins

[shrewd lantern]

if mark didnt bug out

it'd be fine

[warm marlin]

i cba playing ds in st

if it had noparry id do it

[wheat edge]

I had actually forgotten about dn's getting parried cause its been so long since season 2 and we played 2 rogues on prog

[warm marlin]

i don't want to do the math on how much of a fight I spend in front of a boss/having to think about positioning during mechanics

[wheat edge]

got to enjoy deathstalker assa with a trickster sub rogue in the same raid so whenever he was away or something I would just start noticing parries and getting mad

[tropic field]

especially not in mythic

[warm marlin]

and then they fixed the no parry raid buff

[wheat edge]

sad times

[shrewd lantern]

what fights dont have adds

though

[warm marlin]

i think ds is better in theory on nk

and vorasius

[shrewd lantern]

prob nk if you never get parried

is trickster not more due to cleaving the little shits

[warm marlin]

i doubt vorasius can even parry

[shrewd lantern]

on mythic

[warm marlin]

idk

[wheat edge]

surely they would never have a front facing boss that parries!

[warm marlin]

[shrewd lantern]

oh wait

dimensius

[warm marlin]

i just looked at our log and no melee got parried

we are safe

[warm marlin]

idk maybe theyll matter on mythic

they were pretty much all dead before they entered cleave range for me

[shrewd lantern]

yeah hc a meme

[warm marlin]

we went straight into it at like 247 raid ilvl

things exploded anyway

[alpine wraith]

have fun on NK on mythic you get more and more balls every time they spawn

you do get the DN reset i guess

[shrewd lantern]

for some reason i assumed nk orbs would have hp

[alpine wraith]

so yea

[shrewd lantern]

on week 1

nope

[alpine wraith]

you get more and more of them on MYthic so they cant have lots of hp

[warm marlin]

idk you'll be gearing 19 different spread cleave ranged anyway

hit da boss

[tribal blade]

spread cleave as melee

sad days

[shrewd lantern]

"multidotter"

oh wait spriest

boomy

[warm marlin]

rupturing both ranged oab adds and then having them go crazy after hitting cds

spread cleave!

[tribal blade]

it would actually be hilarious if blizz tuned around raid and mega buffed melee because of spread cleave

and then melee becomes the strongest specs in M+

[warm marlin]

im actually quite certain keys will be melee meta

there's just no way

every ranged spec is thanos

[tribal blade]

it's kinda ranged meta when i was doing solo shuffle it felt like

[shrewd lantern]

[tribal blade]

maybe i was just biased because i was losing my mind over it

[shrewd lantern]

rogue is good in wizard lobbies though

[strange chasm]

sub is insanely good in pvp

thats the only thing its got going

[tribal blade]

it is for sure yeah

[chrome palm]

Like undermine?

[shrewd lantern]

if i get wizard lobbies i mostly get 5-1 or 6-0

[alpine wraith]

sadly it being good does not mean we are good

[tribal blade]

haha yeah

[chrome palm]

I forgot my

[tribal blade]

interestingly enough though i saw very few sub rogues in solo shuffle

[weak glade]

how much doest DS actually change ur rotation its not that bad no?

[alpine wraith]

rogue is still unpopular

[tribal blade]

far more lock and mage

[alpine wraith]

at low ratings you will see lots of people doing pvp for cata

so likely those warlock mages got prio for 2 set

[tribal blade]

the rotation itself is fine, it's just the fact that you're stuck to 1 target and the mark can bug out

[alpine wraith]

then are doing pvp for cata

[wheat edge]

after playing against warlocks in solo shuffle, I would be fine with them removing the class

[tribal blade]

probably yeah

[wheat edge]

gate -> step after -> gate -> step after - ahhhh

[shrewd lantern]

try playing vs locks

when fear was a 0.5s cast

[chrome palm]

Hover is the single worst ability in the game

[tribal blade]

IKR it was insane

[full spade]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tribal blade]

i couldn't believe how hard it was to catch locks

[tribal blade]

true and real

[wheat edge]

I started playing DFA

made it a bit better

[shrewd lantern]

if you want the real hack vs bad wizards

run through their character model

it'll cancel their cast if they keyboard turn

[tribal blade]

lol good idea

[shrewd lantern]

only fun time was bfa bullying lock teams with spites

you just sapped them then launched 3 spites and let it marinate

then blind to keep them in it longer

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[weak glade]

Ive been macroing shadow dance and sectech to cast at same time is that still the best way to do that shi or nah im so used to doing that but

[tribal blade]

yes

[weak glade]

ok thank god lol

[warm marlin]

port -> gate -> gate yes wowie

dev dh is also mega squishy but so much mobility

[weak glade]

guys what should the uptime of vessel be

[velvet jay]

Can someone explain why Warning Signs is better than Planned execution? even for Aoe

[tulip light]

More attacks = more shadow technique

[weak glade]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[velvet jay]

thanks

[abstract oar]

Guys do we get a cata charge if we get 1600 rating on pvp ? ( this week )

[haughty cave]

Yes

[tulip light]

Are the crucible protocols only active in voidstorm related areas?

[brisk onyx]

anywhere

[lean sigil]

do we craft anything this week? made my dagger no crests

[lucid jackal]

dUDE RANGED RN

is so broken

Dude I'm just so sad

[spiral needle]

hey, elemental is at the bottom with us

[daring meteor]

How do we use puzzle box correctly? Just before pull?

Scrap the question I scrolled ups

[tribal blade]

yeah melee just don't exist in the raid

it might just be a play sin tier

so you can do boss dam

[spiral needle]

too many adds and sub's tier set is a lot stronger, sin going to need more help or gimmicks that really fall into its design

[tribal blade]

for sure yeah, depends on mythic tuning

if adds still blow up sub will be a lot less valuable

[spiral needle]

yea, but once everyone has tier, I just don't see sin's boss damage being higher

gonna need prime execute real estate for it to shine

[tribal blade]

also true

[spiral needle]

mythic crown might do it, who knows about final boss

[tribal blade]

yeah crown feels like it could be that kind of boss where sin is really good

[spiral needle]

yep, hard enrage p3

[tribal blade]

still super early so we'll see what happens

i've kind of just resigned to the fact that melee is gonna suck this tier

[spiral needle]

i predict a lot of melee misery for all to share

[tribal blade]

i'm probably gonna tell my RL at some point when we see more of the raid on mythic i can flex to go full ST for bosses

let other people unga bunga

i've done that in past tiers

it would actually help my mental not worrying about the meters

and being ethical

if things are gonna be this rough for melee

[spiral needle]

looking forward to another 3% buff when the final 2 bosses release

[azure thicket]

so uh how weird is vessel of tortured souls to use?

is it antenna with more shmovement

[tribal blade]

i haven't used it yet but from everyone else's accounts it's horrendous

very difficult to see the souls

[azure thicket]

the 1 minute duration on souls is neat

[weak glade]

ngl i hate it

i feel like its so fucking hard to see

like i try my best to get them but i cant

also is there a great way to really track the deepening shadowes haste bonus or nah

cause ive kinda been freeballing it

[azure thicket]

wonder how many stacks you need to make it worth too

got it to 4 hitting the dummy but thats def rare

[swift hollow]

Has anyone found a way to add black powered to the essential cooldowns, in the cool down managenger?

[tribal blade]

why would you need that

curious

[swift hollow]

Just like having my abilties shown in the middle of the screen, so i have backstab - evis -black powered

[tribal blade]

ah ok, nah i don't think so

there's no reason to track it so they don't have it there

[swift hollow]

But they got backstab and evis

[tribal blade]

backstab might be for other things

[swift hollow]

Fair

[tribal blade]

like maybe

evis is there for coup

BP has no interaction with anything that changes the spell

[swift hollow]

That actually makes sense ty

[tribal blade]

nvm lingering is a tracked buff

[tribal blade]

np!

actually not 100% sure why backstab is there

[keen dome]

Someday we'll find out. maybe Blizz has an idea

[azure thicket]

gwoomblade

also the maisara caverns pygmy oil run...

[tribal blade]

i was thinking that yeah

[tribal blade]

maybe to DELETE IT

[mental kettle]

is puzzlebox sim bait or mandatory for dungeon trinket if you dont have onuse from raid

i always hated the cast time on that thing and the 2 min cd misaligned with blades

[full saffron]

Alright please ping me when we're better than ret

[keen dome]

We're always better than Ret

[maiden oar]

unforgivable

[alpine wraith]

im sorry to be the one to inform you

[cedar wigeon]

I got https://www.wowhead.com/item=248583/drum-of-renewed-bonds from delve 259, is it good? I don't see it on the guide trinket list

[maiden oar]

those pink guys have had it too good for too long

[alpine wraith]

it is not even close to the second one

guidon and puzzle are kinda trinket 1

[maiden oar]

its pretty decent

not as good as good trinkets from non mole content but

its the best mole trinket

[alpine wraith]

problem with that one is the renown trink is better

and you want 1 on use 1 passive

so you just use vessel or renown trink

[cedar wigeon]

which one? 😮

[mental kettle]

so puzzblebox stays till i get raid onuse?

[alpine wraith]

the cricible

[alpine wraith]

ya

[mental kettle]

fuck.

[alpine wraith]

unless you get a mythic vessel and another good hero passive one

[maiden oar]

for me the mastery drum simmed better than crucible

until i sent crucible to 263 bc veteran drum

but at both 250 it was equal slightly favoring drum

u can change the item id to sim the drum at diff stats and they mightve added the drum stat option to the + in raidbots too

[alpine wraith]

i also dont have guidon

and got puzzlebox and tried to cope

best cope is if you get high ilvl vessel and high ilvl axe thrower

then ON ST puzzlebox is not that good

but if you do a slice sim well

undisputed

[high grotto]

is there anything we change rotation wise before and after getting 4 set?

[alpine wraith]

with 4 set you can affort to supercharge second sec tech

so with guidon you have 2 or 3 secs in between dances you would do nothing or finish stab and wait to enter next dance apex evis strike sec tech

and maybe without guidon but bl also works

mainly because dance is like 16 secs and blades 20

[hollow spear]

Do we need guidon for that

During lust, we can probably go for it

[high grotto]

so we space out the 3 seconds inbetween instead of insta chaining?

[alpine wraith]

read third line

depends on your haste situation

best thing you can do is try it

[hollow spear]

Think I'll start building muscle memory for it

[mental kettle]

there are like no pure st raid fights though

i wonder if puzzlebox is still better than the other dungeon trinkets for raid

[alpine wraith]

yep that is the issue

[hollow spear]

Wait until mythic timers make us a 2min spec

[vale osprey]

Even with it, is there a world where it's better than Guidon and getting 2 sectecs in our blades window

[pure moat]

Yo guys is there a gold standard what one uses for siming when it comes to ST and AoE/M+ scenarios?

[hollow spear]

5m patchwerk and dungeon slice

[pure moat]

Thanks mate 🍻

[golden thunder]

Don't you all hate the cast time of puzzle box?

[keen dome]

So much so I'm not gonna use it

one weird trick

[broken jackal]

Depends on the situation if it’s over a period of time and rng procs better gear and haste means more procs so could be for now but a few weeks won’t be

[celest wyvern]

hello i have question on 2 target situation do we use BP as finisher or evis?

[clear jay]

Hi there 🙂

Is there a way to know what I am doing wrong to improve my dps ? Because i think I have the proper rotation and stuff but hummm; yeah, no

😅

I do log combats, but idk really how to read for improvement

[hot seal]

BP. For builders you use shadowstrike or shuriken storm

Dont use backstab on 2

[celest wyvern]

yeah thanks i needed to know what finisher to use because its kinda wierd to me to use BP on 2 target 😄

[hot seal]

It is weird

But thats what the guides say

And they did math magic

[celest wyvern]

y ikr but even if we wana do prio target i mean kill one of them faster should we use BP?

[clear jay]

good question, was wondering the same

[tribal blade]

liquid's heroic crown

massive melee tier

[upper narwhal]

hello a little confused about the numbers (red arrows included for clarity) 🙂

[tribal blade]

devourer is a brand new spec so it cannot be bad

[short radish]

devourer is the premier spec of this expansion, and blizzard doesn't want to see rogues do well

hope this helps

[upper narwhal]

i am not mathematician genius

i will trust the plan

[short radish]

i don't

[tribal blade]

historically almost every single new class/spec that has ever been introduced has been OP for their first tier

[short radish]

but i have no choice with the plan

[celest wyvern]

if someone helps me i would really apreciate it

[tribal blade]

you'll 100% do more prio with evis

depends on the situation

on 2 target pressing evis is not really a significant dps loss

[upper narwhal]

if there's a healthy lieutenant mob and a shitter left it's probably better to slam evis

[tribal blade]

add more targets it gets much worse

[misty blade]

Would love some help. Reiterating a question that some others have asked.

I'm seeing that my Eviscerate is hitting for significantly less on avg, compared to similarly geared rogues. I had another sub rogue and the # of Eviscerates/other casts are very similar. But his is hitting for ~8k more than mine.

[alpine wraith]

some people are apexxmaxxing more than others

dont worry they may do less casts but more on average

i dont apexxmaxx always but i do try to prepare for next dance if on blades like if i just procced and there is 1 global left i would strike

to dance evis on next one

[ashen grove]

i am really trash, does someone log review? i feel i do something completly wrong

[stray talon]

anyone know if you can track a trinket buff like you used to with weakauras?

[leaden prairie]

your tier set is almost triple the value of devoreur

hope this helps

[tribal blade]

thanks fren

big hugs

[leaden prairie]

actually exactly 3x

devoreur set

np for clarification

[keen dome]

huge

[tribal blade]

hopefully i get fast tracked tier on heroic clear tomorrow

[alpine wraith]

yea tier set and guidon and surely getting mythic vessel on vault

[tribal blade]

have x2 cata charges too

[leaden prairie]

ye i knida forget about trinkets

but i assume everyone is getting good trinkets

[alpine wraith]

or maybe the M plume in 3 weeks

first boss seems doable

second one hell nah but hey

[keen dome]

i'm really curious how mythic pugging is gonna shake out this tier with the 3 raids

[upper narwhal]

guidon did not drop for my raid I should get an extra 5% just for that

[misty blade]

Is this enough to account for 2million difference in dmg? I have more Eviscerate casts than the other rogue 127 vs 199. This is a HUGE dps difference (8k avg hit difference). If so, shouldn't apexxmaxxing be the rotation?

[alpine wraith]

yea

remember apex is like neutral to max but a win sometimes so maybe you did misplay sometimes

but usually that is the diff

and the damage per cast does go up quite a bit

[leaden prairie]

im curious about mythic splits ..

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, big same

It's gonna be wild to see that stuff going on

[alpine wraith]

i bet they are going to try and slip chima boi if he is easy

and maybe belo ren

if paladins/crown get hard

[leaden prairie]

liquid is going to split but idk what

[delicate gulch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden prairie]

are they thinking of splitting void aswell ?

that seems dangerous to me

[alpine wraith]

first M boss makes sense actually

[keen dome]

I guess it depends on the tuning

[leaden prairie]

ye that one for sure

[alpine wraith]

because race is going to be 3 weeks for sure

[leaden prairie]

ye but you cant know before you do the boss lol

[keen dome]

Which is probably a dumb statement since it always depends on tuning but I said it

[alpine wraith]

remember march is gated

1 week more

[keen dome]

Yeah

[alpine wraith]

so they might try and split anything they can

[leaden prairie]

ye sure

they might also just give up on clearing week 1

i mean i guess that make snese

[alpine wraith]

i expect some random guild get world first on chima

and be funny

[keen dome]

same

[leaden prairie]

you can just say, we prog the most we can week 1 but do myuthic split

and whatever happne happn

even if stuck on 5th boss

it would be kinda a lot of gear i guess

[alpine wraith]

i mean march not up unless they really care about world first crown

[leaden prairie]

and you get to week 2 with a massive cocka

[keen dome]

Myth vault from doing chimmy and 1st boss Voidspire with minimal risk is gonna be fascinating for pugging culture though

[alpine wraith]

you want to split as much M tier and trinks

[leaden prairie]

but then why not do that every tier tho ?

[alpine wraith]

no idea

[leaden prairie]

if every tier is a 2 week tier

[alpine wraith]

can only ask max or the echo team

[leaden prairie]

i guess you never know

its 2 week

[keen dome]

Yeah

[leaden prairie]

nvm

[alpine wraith]

likely lots of backend to do

[keen dome]

I guess you can't know except this time you absolutely can since March isn't until the 31st/1st so

[leaden prairie]

wasnt last tier one week actually

[alpine wraith]

and maybe you want logistics to go into making strats if it is the same people

[keen dome]

I'm also curious how vault loot works this season with the three raids. If we kill 1st Voidspire, and Chimarius.. What loot drops in the vault? All of Voidspire? Just 1st boss + Chimmy? They're listed differently on the UI so I assume it's the latter.

[leaden prairie]

who is chimarius

the 2 boss raid ?

[keen dome]

Dreamrift

[leaden prairie]

that doesnt help me

[keen dome]

the big dog

[leaden prairie]

1 boss raid then

[keen dome]

Yes

[leaden prairie]

ok

just say that noob

[keen dome]

never

[alpine wraith]

the ugly fying kanker

maybe in mythic it has more meat

because on hc we almost killed it with 2 stacks of the debuff

[keen dome]

Haha, blasting

[alpine wraith]

nah we wiped

next consume dmg was too high

but he was like 2%

[keen dome]

I'd bet 4 Myth bosses are gonna be 'doable' in pugs for general players. I know in S3 you could pug quite a lot but for most people it was just the 1st / 3rd.

But this season if Imperator is like Plexus and Voraius / Saladbar are doable, then you could do that then go beat up the big dog and then the bird.

Which is going to be very interesting to see for pugging culture in general. Although Dreamrift / March pugging is gonna be a shitshow since there's nothing to 'gatekeep' bad people trying to pug the bosses and wiping you.

[alpine wraith]

voraius i expect to be rough early but then a walkover

and saladbar seems to have infinite enrage but as the balls go up

maybe it is not as easy

[keen dome]

Yeah

[dry flame]

Im definitely not getting into pugs, 0 set unfortunatelly after LFR/Normal/ HC (3+1 bosses)

[alpine wraith]

wait for next week maybe you get 1 on vault

then try another clear and maybe cata something if not

[dry flame]

I wouldn't even take it probably before I run HC again

but yeah maybe

[hollow spear]

If you're not in an organised group or guild, sending 2p early is probably the play due to its value

[celest spruce]

if there are 10s cd on sectech, is it worth popping dance without it, or should i wait until i can sectech inside dance window?

[hollow spear]

The larias guide and similar things assume a different level of access to gear

[dry flame]

Yeah, completely solo, since i can't comit to a raid schedule for a while :/

[alpine wraith]

yea if you get at least 1 tier set piece in vault it is very good

[keen kayak]

Hi guys, can anyone help me figure out why my eviscerate damage is so much lower than another rogue I'm comparing to. It's scary low.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/njpaAGyJC8mYBfNK/yQv2GWkjrf94wZHP?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=16%2C12

[alpine wraith]

because any tier you drop is 2p then you cata 2

and you get 4 set

then can spam m+ for full hero tier set

[dry flame]

since ive done HC first bosses and dreamrift, idk if i should pick trinkets if they drop (and i dont get them in a reclear)

[alpine wraith]

trinkets are not as impactful as tier unless you get guidon or gaze

[dry flame]

tier probably still better

those 2 exactly i meant yeh

[alpine wraith]

have to keep on top of the race for crown AoTC

[dry flame]

since at least its easy acquisition this tier

ive done 3/6 HC voidspire so far, hopefully i have time to get into dragons clear tonight

[keen dome]

high5 zero set buddy after 3+1

[dry flame]

if i get gaze on wednesday, might need to rush a HC clear to try to get it, otherwise probably getting it from vault

[keen dome]

I'm just gonna slam M+ on reset I think. Maybe a quick normal clear

[olive canyon]

when do we get another charge?

[keen dome]

31st / 1st

Every two weeks

[alpine wraith]

when march opens yea

[olive canyon]

poo;p

[keen dome]

Tier is so annoying but I wanna just slam to 2k for 2 cat charges.

[dry flame]

oh wait, march doesn't open next reset?

[keen dome]

nope

31st / 1st

[hollow spear]

That's the play

[keen dome]

It's just M+ and Mythic voidspire / dog

[dry flame]

damn, then I definitely need to get aotc by then or nobody is inviting me

[keen dome]

I'll invite you ❤️

[dry flame]

[hollow spear]

Solo aotc is tough

[keen dome]

I wouldn't worry too much though 'cos pugging heroic is rough right now. Being 4/9H is pretty huge for rekills

[hollow spear]

Crown looks quite rough for now

[dry flame]

i did it very early on with Raz back in DF, but Assa was very strong at the time

i got it before my CE guild at the time (i was quitting raiding due to IRL)

but atm rogue is tough

[keen dome]

Ye

[hollow spear]

If you kill dragons you're going to be quite big value for pugs

[keen dome]

Also DPS checks this week are brutal. I legit don't think there's enough good players pugging to really push the numbers to a comfortable level.

[dry flame]

my normal clear was absolute mess, so we'll see

[tepid trellis]

@vale pine we hit that on the dot

[dry flame]

i will try tonight to get into a group

[keen dome]

I'm not keen on doing dragons this reset but I also wanna try

[dry flame]

sitting at 254 ilvl, hopefully its enough to get some leeway

[hollow spear]

Our dragons kill was feint on cd and praying

[keen dome]

Ye, most groups are hitting the 250+ mark now

254 and 4/9H is gonna get you invited to most good groups unless they already have a rogue

[vale pine]

nicu

[dry flame]

i cannot get Cavern trinket for the life of it - farming daily but no luck. At least i got the windspire last boss one

[hollow spear]

With m+ hitting next week, the ilvl requirements for "good groups" will be quite degenerate probably

[keen dome]

Vessel trinket bad and sad

[dry flame]

absolutely yeah

[hollow spear]

I hate vessel with impunity

[dry flame]

now that i have the windspire one, im not farming it yeah

[keen dome]

Nice

And yeah I think next week most good groups will want 260+ minimum

Wouldn't be shocked to see the hardcore pug groups wanting 270

Plus 4-set (lol)

[dry flame]

i played deathstalker for fallen king and vorasius, actually not bad at all

[fallow ingot]

Does anyknow if we can code a addons that track vessel balls procs ?

[hollow spear]

I ain't tracking the vessels on my balls

[fallow ingot]

[hollow spear]

There's probably a way to track that buff , but I'm not knowledgeable enough

What's the point anyway?

[dry flame]

i finally broke 60k sim with the windspire trinket, now i just need to not be a dumbass

[fallow ingot]

press trinket before burst macro and its fine no ?

[rapid barn]

what are the stats of crafted belt; crit/mastery and haste or crit and mastery ?

[keen dome]

huge

[hollow spear]

I used to be a big sim enjoyer but the haste situation really annoys me

[glass nebula]

Hey, is it worth to craft the belt without crests now? Have the main had already so both embellishments come into the table

[tepid trellis]

starting point before splits today lets see what we end up after it

[hollow spear]

Will be big

Inb4 tier set ruins your haste

[keen dome]

I just use sim to figure out basic math questions on is number gooder

[hollow spear]

The problem is that it wants me to drop haste

[keen dome]

tell the robot it's stupid

and it should feel bad

[hollow spear]

And I'm sitting at 650 or so

I kicked my robo vacuum to hurt it by proxy

[vale pine]

65k, quite a good starting point!

[hollow spear]

Actually 65k x 1.03

Don't forget

[keen dome]

the robot exists to do math, for my mind is incapable. It shall not think for me.

[hollow spear]

My trust of the robot is diminished

[tepid trellis]

you just follow robot

and add like 50 haste ontop of it

[tribal blade]

reminds me of my raider.io bio

[tepid trellis]

and you are golden

[tribal blade]

doesn't the robot want you to be at 0.4 leeway for dance

[tepid trellis]

nah

[tribal blade]

so if you're not meeting that it'll want you to go down to the next breakpoint

ah ok

[tepid trellis]

its fine with 7.2 duration

[hollow spear]

Need to get another haste piece, crutching with enchants and gems rn

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[tepid trellis]

684 haste is 7.4 dance duration

[alpine wraith]

you also get some from oiling

[hallow matrix]

Mine does that too and I still don’t understand why

[hollow spear]

It also doesn't value plume very highly

[tepid trellis]

580 is roughly 7 sec flat

[alpine wraith]

im also running around 650+oils

[hollow spear]

I still feel like going plume before I get Guido

[clear jay]

does anybody would be nice to read a log for me and tell me what am I doing wrong ^^' ?

[tepid trellis]

and the sim is doing 8 globals with like 620 haste

or smth like that

[tribal blade]

i sit over 700 with oils

i figure better to be safe than sorry

[shadow lance]

Same

[tepid trellis]

im at 684 with oils

full minmax

[tribal blade]

damn nice

[hollow spear]

Do a !log and hope that someone checks it out

[tepid trellis]

if i wanted to be safe i could just swap my ring enchants to haste

[alpine wraith]

stealthi still has the korean power remember

[tepid trellis]

which ar currently mastery

[clear jay]

oh, thx for the command

here ?

[sweet moss]

Have many of u guys done 2nd craft or holding off?

[hollow spear]

Yes

I did a sparkless belt

Waiting for next week

[alpine wraith]

didnt use second spark not yet

[tribal blade]

i did sparkless bracers

[brazen wasp]

Hey, lets say I send SD and Sec Tech when SB had 15 sec remaining to get off cd. Should I then use SB right when it get off cd with SD but without ST and then use ST in second SD or just send ST in the middle of first SD or just wait few sec to align everything?

[clear jay]

like this ?

!log http://

[hollow spear]

?

[dry flame]

622 with oils, but i can replace eagle enchant with haste on my rings

[tribal blade]

if you send 2nd spark now you could seriously regret it in the coming weeks

[hollow spear]

Just put the !log

[tepid trellis]

just type the log thing and it will open a thread and you just post the logs in there

[keen dome]

668 unbuffed atm

[clear jay]

!log

[sweet moss]

wht ilvl is sparkless?

[tepid trellis]

246

[hollow spear]

Still strong with embellishment

[hollow spear]

Plus you get to choose stats

[tribal blade]

damn beat me to it lol

once again i'm TOO SLOW

[upper narwhal]

why both 246 different stats

[hollow spear]

Because they're different slots?

[upper narwhal]

oh i have brain damage

waist and wrist looks same ok

[hollow spear]

Doesn't matter too much if you go sparkless and have the spare vet crests

Just pick a low stat slot that benefits the most based on your current gear

Most people will send spark craft after normal and heroic raids next week

[alpine wraith]

i got the pvp ones with socket in my mind

and belt too

but i think i will end up with engi wrists actually

overshoot haste a bit so i might make them with mastery

[lilac stag]

We’re sitting at 3 sparks Tuesday

so engineering should be safe

get some haste only kicks

[sweet moss]

246 pretty low tho no?

is that worth for embelishment

idk

[alpine wraith]

right now yea

next week you can just replace it with hero track wrists

and craft belt/pants depending

[sweet moss]

i got hero wrists already

[alpine wraith]

yea then you can just craft belt if pvp it has a bit more value because of socket but not hugely

[sweet moss]

hmm

yeah true

or wait for next week and craft 272 belt

or would we have enough myth crest

[olive canyon]

trinkets dont exist

niether does tier. sad gaming

[sweet moss]

u reckon engi wrists needed for m+

[jade urchin]

wait is na 1 spark ahead

or am i missing smth

[sweet moss]

im 4

ohh

tuesday we will be 3

yeah

[alpine wraith]

why would you need them

[sweet moss]

for bres

[alpine wraith]

bres is not in wrists for a while

it is an item you craft

[sweet moss]

ah okay

yeah shit

i remember now

[tepid raven]

We have 5 halves mythic week no?

[sweet moss]

not played since df s4

[tepid raven]

It's week after we get 3rd craft rigth

[sweet moss]

yes

5

[alpine wraith]

we get next spark on quel danas opening

[jade urchin]

oh nvmnd im dumb i keep forgetting u get full sparks and costs doubled

[tepid raven]

Ye okay that's what I thought

[alpine wraith]

i mean kinda important week too depending if chima guy and belo are easy enough

that you can kinda do them before paladins or dragons

if those are walls

will be interesting to check NA for sure

how things go

[jade urchin]

if chima is semi easy the split war will begin

[alpine wraith]

it does not have to be easy tho just easier than paladins

so if you get stuck there you can always go chima

and extend

[olive canyon]

none of these fights other than the final one seems complex at all, i feel as though the top guilds will just roll these two raids

[alpine wraith]

some fights will be number checks

and us worse people will struggle

but yea they wont

might even split first 3 + chima

then see what happens on dragons and pala

[olive canyon]

The raid looks good but feels somewhat simple.

[sly shore]

do we still macro coup to bp

or is bad

[olive canyon]

its not optimal

[sly shore]

I ain't keepin up well

[alpine wraith]

you can do it mostly because sometimes you hold coup if dance + sec tech is in like 3 secs

you want to bp instead there

or if sec tech is 3 secs do dance+evis(coup) strike/storm sec tech

[jade urchin]

is that how u handle it

i always feel bad overcapping

[alpine wraith]

yea you even apex it

[vale pine]

you can

[alpine wraith]

if possible

[vale pine]

nothing rly wrong with it

only "issue" i found is coup has range requirements

[hollow spear]

A player of kpb's level shouldn't

[sly shore]

ye

tis why I asked kek

[alpine wraith]

ah i have also been hit with the git gut of using dance+sec tech macro and not being in range

and doing insta facepalm mentally

or the tank moves the fucker

[vale pine]

its the same problem yes

[alpine wraith]

as every milisecond is ticking

MY DPS

[vale pine]

you need to be more careful because you don't have bp in case you are out of range

[alpine wraith]

AAAaaAAaAaaAAa

[jade urchin]

oh @vale pine i fucked around with ignoring supercharged in cd window for the second sec tech and just using dance so that tech fits inside dance + blades at the end still

[hollow spear]

Where melee range increase

[jade urchin]

and im like 90% certain its better to do that than holding second dance for supercharged tech

[vale pine]

i actually think melee range increase would be good

but well

[tribal blade]

i think every melee should have acrobatic strikes range

and then remove all the special cases like udk or ret pally

[hollow spear]

Yep

[tribal blade]

they said they were gonna take it all away but left it on some for some reason??

kinda weird dev work haha

[hollow spear]

The entire melee roster is super jank regarding that

Do we know why assa parses so well on boss damage? Kinda ootl.

[tribal blade]

that's kinda sin's thing

i think because their major cds are strictly ST

so they just naturally have good ST in the right talent set up

but that's just speculation on my end

it's what also makes their prio so damn good

[alpine wraith]

sub 4 set is also very big and not many have it + a good on use

so even if we sim quite decently on good gear rn we are dogs

[tribal blade]

yeah we're missing a lot of dmg atm

well i am with 0pc

[jade urchin]

devourer dh getting a bigger buff than sub felt like a slap in the face

[tribal blade]

it was inevitable

[hollow spear]

Their st is worse than ours by quite a bit, that's why I'm so surprised

[tribal blade]

devourer can't be bad in it's first tier

[hollow spear]

Even accounting for tier

Don't even think devourer is egregious

[tribal blade]

yeah i dunno tbh

[hollow spear]

I'm more surprised about demo getting away with murder

[olive canyon]

Frost mages ppl

[jade urchin]

besides the mm hydra nerf it kinda feels like a nothingburger patch

[tribal blade]

locks good again for a tier, who would have thunk it

[olive canyon]

they are the winners of this whole shenanigans of a tuning tier, they are so good and not been touched in either tuning pass

[hollow spear]

Still not sure about frost tbh

Wouldn't be the first tier where they fall off in mythic

[tribal blade]

i have a feeling it'll be frost until arcane gets buffed enough

and then frost's dmg profile isn't worthy enough

[graceful osprey]

My warlock alt was affliction and when I switched to demo, my damage actually just doubled. The difference is crazy

[tribal blade]

in pvp demo is also very scary

can't let them free cast

[hollow spear]

That's the funny thing underneath Kalamazi's videos

Nobody happy about demo being op

[graceful osprey]

I still hope for the affliction dream

[hollow spear]

Everybody whining about afflock

[graceful osprey]

They wanted it to feel like legion but if I remember, unstable affliction actually deleted things in legion. In midnight, it’s just another tickle dot

[hollow spear]

Shouldn't destro actually outperform on crown tho? Didn't look at logs.

[alpine wraith]

they actually nerfed UA by like 70% in beta

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

because it didnt feel right or something to have so much dmg on it

[graceful osprey]

Well now affliction has no damage

[alpine wraith]

well they kinda did the same to sub

kept buffing cleave and aoe

then just nerf it by 15% again

kinda like if 2 teams are doing different things

[graceful osprey]

I’m still confused about the cleave and aoe nerf. Like why?

[fleet wharf]

it was across the board, prolly m+ balancing thing?

[sudden quarry]

they dont want you to press powder on 2 targets...

[tribal blade]

oh did they make abundance not toxic anymore

cool

[hollow spear]

We're still doing abundance?

[tribal blade]

sub's mass aoe was really good, the cleave nerf was confusing

[tribal blade]

if you want to craft yeah

also some cosmetic rewards attached to it

[formal copper]

They've ruined the rogue subtlety, it's super simple, mutilate is much more fun

[fleet wharf]

yea, are you guys also having fun with sub?

[graceful osprey]

The aoe was juicy and I loved it. Still not bad but still

[graceful osprey]

I’d say, simple but I think it is a good base to improve but I’m enjoying it

But really, I think after the next expansion there’s going to be a world reset and blizzard will push into wow 2

[tribal blade]

sub's aoe is still good though

[hollow spear]

Idk, there's a difference between sub's cleave being bad and mutilate/assa feeling good

[tribal blade]

cleave is dogshit

[hollow spear]

I play assa if it's op and I have to

[tribal blade]

i think sin is legit easier to play in raid than sub

[fleet wharf]

have you tried both? can you elaborate a bit?

[tribal blade]

yeah my main rogue is sub and alt rogue is sin

[unreal silo]

what are the haste caps above 18%

[hazy breach]

Just play DS and pretend adds don't exist and hopefully do big boss dps

[tribal blade]

it's just sending cds on sin is super simple

sub is weird

you're trying to send sectec on cd

but it doesn't always line up that way on a fight

[fleet wharf]

Yea for sure. Also, it seems like there are other classes that are better than we are at sniping trash pad?

[tribal blade]

lol truueee

[fleet wharf]

At least I felt I couldn't keep up with fury and a few other classes on the double dragon boss

[tribal blade]

double dragon boss felt good as sub

[mint swift]

Ew

[tribal blade]

but i haven't done heroic voidspire yet

we did normal splits

[mint swift]

Double dragon boss is big stinky ngl

Unless I’m on my shadow

Then it’s pog

Speaking of shadow feels amazing this raid

Would be tempted to play it in the mythic guild if we didn’t already have 3 priests

[tribal blade]

i think all ranged feels amazing this raid haha

[fleet wharf]

shadow seem to have come out alright for raid

[tribal blade]

melee big stinky

[fleet wharf]

but that seems to be the consensus, it might be shit in m+, but shadow hasn't been bad in raid in a long time

[mint swift]

No like

Double dragon is spread cleave
P1 of crown I can sit in middle and dot everything
Ads come out on chimeras in a way where they are easy to tentacle

[tribal blade]

yeah for sure

[mint swift]

It just feels super good

[mint swift]

And ngl SV feels peak aswell

[tribal blade]

SV has ranged attacks right

so it's not gonna feel as bad as true melee

[mint swift]

I mean it’s basically true melee at this point

If you leave melee you become omega focus starved

[tribal blade]

is it? i don't know much about SV since like S1 of TWW

[mint swift]

Reason pack leader runs double dagger is cause all the focus gen comes from melee auto attacks

[tribal blade]

ahh i see

[mint swift]

Sentinel is outperforming it iirc but nobody is playing it cause bugs make it infuriating

[bleak night]

well doesnt that sound familiar

turns out mark mechanics just fucking suck

[mint swift]

Wanna know the best part

Yea

It could be solved the save way as DS

Just make it a buff

Instead of a debuff

Hell it’s arguably worse than DS mark

Cause at least you control where DS mark goes

[tribal blade]

it 100% should be a buff on the player

only way to make it not so janky

it's a failed experiment

[keen dome]

A repeatedly failed experiment

points at find weakness

[mint swift]

Yea

When you consume tip the mark goes on a random target instead of primary

[fleet wharf]

but DS's mark is purple

[tribal blade]

lol that too

[keen dome]

the only DS i care about today is DS2

[vale osprey]

When I consume tip?

How do you know what happens when I consume tip

[alpine wraith]

what if i told you dragons only need to be 15y away

and you can aoe from the middle of them

and we are all monkeys that dont understand those 15y begin from the middle of their hitbox

so we are getting neutered XD

[hollow spear]

Can you rephrase that, not sure I follow

[tepid trellis]

well chimaerus was "interesting"

couldve been better

[indigo peak]

yo do some of the m0s only give vet 3 gear? or do all give champ 1 now? unsure how it works

[hollow spear]

Champ1

[alpine wraith]

m0 give champ gear this week onwards

[fleet wharf]

maybe you're doing the ones not in the s1 rotation?

[indigo peak]

just saw in my dungeon guide thing it shows the m0 for say murder row as 240 vet 3

[bleak night]

murder row is not a s1 dungeon

[indigo peak]

i see tyty sry

[bleak night]

change the tab to current season and you're good

[dry plank]

there is people with 4p already and I have bad news for you 🙂

[exotic steeple]

how do you manage 62k overall man im at like 54

u send cds on adds?

[tepid trellis]

i winged it

[hard siren]

anyone have cooldown manager for sub?

[tepid trellis]

dont remember

[tepid trellis]

my vod might be available already you can check that

if not it will be after raid

[upbeat cradle]

available where ? i'm interested too

playing with the soul trinket was the worst idea i could have had, couldn't see a single soul in raid

[chilly dagger]

What do you get by upgrading nemesis boxes in delves by killing those 3-4 extra packs?

Farming Champion crests in +11 delves but am wondering if its worth the time

[hollow forum]

Stream when

Ah u talk bout it

[upbeat cradle]

more currency and companion exp i think

[chilly dagger]

Currency as in crests?

[upbeat cradle]

nah the one for renown vendors

void glarm whatever it's called

[chilly dagger]

ahhh so not important for me then, as I just want to cap out my crests

Thanks for clarification :)!

[mint swift]

Still better for spriest than some other ranged

[alpine wraith]

oh no i mean even us kinda inted with positioning

i saw a good positioned raid and all melees did like 20k more dps

[mint swift]

Oh fair

Tbh I wish the orbs didn’t count for logs

They stinky

Also I can mow join sub rogue in complaining about something

Hero trees that use marks fucking suck

[chilly dagger]

I also just had a "gilded chest" that give me 10 extra Crests, is that random?

[mint swift]

And tbh it’s worse than death stalkers mark

[mossy spruce]

how is the sim toplist looking with 4-sets?

[soft oriole]

You get a couple of gilded stashes a week. They typically drop myth crests but seemingly not yet. Reward for doing t11 delves

[alpine wraith]

thos spawn on lvl 11 delves

they give hero crests until a lvl on the journey when they change to gilded

think it is lvl 4

[chilly dagger]

I see! Yeah with level 2 they spawn, thanks!

When I upgrade a ring, any, with Champion Crests to 6/6, all other Champion rings are for free, just gold right?

[fallow nimbus]

No

You need 2 rings

Dual slots always need 2 items for free upgrades

[chilly dagger]

because its a double slot? So for Trinket too?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

[chilly dagger]

But for Boots my statement would be correct

Got it!

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

[chilly dagger]

Does a level 10 Delve give more Champions Dawn crest compared to an 8?

or can I just cap those out at 8

[balmy gate]

hey u guys craft weapon for hero crest ? or just wait ?

[tepid raven]

just wait

[balmy gate]

alright thank u

[tepid raven]

You're gonna craft it with mythic crests in aweek anyway

might as well save the hc crest

[balmy gate]

yeah i thought the same

[carmine rune]

Are we going death stalker or trickster in raids ?

[weary ember]

Hey there, i'm sitting at 248ilvl with 2 crappy dagger, should i still craft only one weap ? or i can craft 2 daggers and do a 246 craft with embelish ?

[soft oriole]

I would embellish the better dagger. But there’s no harm in using veteran crests to make a 246 dagger if yours really sucks but offhand is not the most important spot so if you have other upgrades then do those

IMO that is

[weary ember]

oh the off hand that doesn't count toward dmg calculation or something like that right ?

[soft oriole]

Ye I think only mainhand weapon dps matters but don’t quote me on that, someone smarter will jump in I hope

[tribal blade]

yes main hand dps is what matters

[weary ember]

great thanks

[tribal blade]

offhand for sub is the lowest dps increase slot out of our entire gear

[weary ember]

hu

[chilly dagger]

must offhand be a dagger on sub?

[tribal blade]

yes

you lose a lot of sht gen

and lose out on energy too

[chilly dagger]

kK!

[crystal bone]

hmm, would u guys send hero crests on hero track Guidon?

[tribal blade]

i think it depends on what kind of prog your guild is looking to do

[crystal bone]

we're a 2 day CE guild

[tribal blade]

the raid teams trying to clear mythic asap are more aggressive with upgrades

i would just sit on them for now

it'll be better in the long run

[crystal bone]

kk

[tribal blade]

if you send your crests now you run the risk of slowing down your gearing later

[crystal bone]

now with guidon and no tier, it looks like i only want to send 1 dance in blades

it is so confusing lol

[tribal blade]

yeah i think the sim is weird without tier

[crystal bone]

yea plus keys drop 2/6 hero? or 3/6

[bleak night]

3/6 at 10

[tribal blade]

not sure tbh

yeah it's super likely you get a bunch of trinkets when M+ drops

and then you'll have wasted hero crests

[crystal bone]

yep

[vale osprey]

This doesn't really tell people much btw

[vocal narwhal]

Does anyone have a good ui for sub rogue? i want something that makes it easier to track combopoints etc

[stable plume]

I would hold until you get two 3/6 hero crest trinkets from +10 spamming and then send after free upgrades. It’s a small minmax but I don’t see anyone needing the +6 iLVL for intense prog before you’d pick all that up

[shadow lance]

There prolly a section in guides

[vocal narwhal]

ah okey thanks!

[shadow lance]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/addons-macro-ui-imports

[cyan quiver]

hello guys, is craft good to do this week before to farm in m+ ?

[swift tinsel]

I’m gonna try a base ui only raid night Tuesday just to see how it goes

(I’m gonna hate it)

[tepid trellis]

rogue split done

time for the devourer

[tribal blade]

niiiice

[tepid trellis]

dont know what loot im getting yet tho

will have to see once our analyst is done assigning loot

[quaint glen]

do u have any logs from split for rouge ?

[tepid trellis]

private

[mint swift]

Curious, why? :0

[tepid trellis]

smth smth to keep people focused on prog

[hollow vessel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

dont really think you need to as we are only around world rank 30 or smth like that

[tribal blade]

a lot of poachers too

looking to steal people

[mint swift]

Bruh

That just sounds silly

Why would people leave if they are already gaming with their friends

:(

[weak vector]

because pro gaming 🫡

[tribal blade]

my guild public logs and we have a warr who's a really good parser

[bleak night]

friends are replaceable wr is forever

[tribal blade]

he's been approached by consequence to trial for them

he said he might possibly take them up on it

so it does happen

[mint swift]

Fair
I’d find it hard to leave my guild cause friends

[eager latch]

ever since i was a little boy, i've dreamt of being approached by consequence

[mint swift]

But I assume that happens at a higher level than I’m at

[tribal blade]

personally i wouldn't take it

i've been offered and declined

[mint swift]

Based chad

[tribal blade]

i don't want to sweat raid that hard

[mint swift]

Have you been approached by a PvP pet battle guild yet

[eager latch]

what if you approach them, trial, get an offer, and then decline?

[mint swift]

Or is that old news

[eager latch]

that'd be kinda based

[mint swift]

What if you approach them, trial, get an offer, accept, and just don’t show up to raids

[weak vector]

then you'd have a huge dong

[mint swift]

And a huge penis

Fun fact

Speaking of raiding tho

I’m hyped for the 5 day streak

Think one guild might be going for AoTC this week in voidspire

Already got it for ridt and 3/5 of the days are with em

[dire ravine]

any log reviewers in the chat? :3

[pseudo fiber]

do we sim nightly or latest?

[digital aspen]

could help possibly

you can dm me

[crystal bone]

anyone know how to disable these black arc lines that show when AA is up? or can they be disabled even lol