subtlety

[soft summit]

So listen to raidbots and ignore the wowhead tier list?

[short radish]

yeah

[soft summit]

k

[pure yacht]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

any amount on variation on your gear can change how the impact of each trinket is worth

[frail bone]

any update on crucible?

[last marten]

How do you guys use puzzlebox trinket in dungeons? Only pop it with blades?

[plush roost]

800 haste angle

Bingus u have tier yet?

1 leather piece dropped

In my split

Jumping

[warm marlin]

actually a sick fight wtf

[warm marlin]

i can get 4p when i do pvp

been busy

have 2p from raid

[plush roost]

nice im about to be the guy that did all this pvp for nothgin XD

[warm marlin]

pants and boots from crown too holy moly

[plush roost]

Pog

We've had 2 necks drop and 2 ribbons from normal

and 2 of the arrow trinket that idk how to evaluate

kinda juiced

[warm marlin]

I can be quite a large man if I just sit down and grind my 300 remaining champ crests and pvp

[plush roost]

i got a hero track sword

aware

[warm marlin]

i got the 266 mace

ready for the swap

[plush roost]

!!

Get ready to learn assa bud

Deathmark moves!

SMILE

[supple barn]

just got puzzle 😮

[lilac stag]

They’re gonna buff deathstalker and not fix the mark.

[half comet]

do we hold coup for anything?

[exotic steeple]

Yo i dont understand that data mine thing

Are we getting buffed nerfed?

[hollow raptor]

love that we're a bottom dps spec on crown lol

[marble sail]

We got 1 leather tier from 4 raids

Having a crashout

[short radish]

we decided to not do splits and instead spend 5 hours trying to kill a boss that drops 0 tier

[rich canopy]

What talent do we drop for Potent Powder in AoE

[plush roost]

What was the cadence like, feels better on sub or assa u think?

or still too ez to actualyl have a decent timer

[warm marlin]

hmm

could be any of the 3

on heroic at least its just pseudo st

for pretty much the whole fight

any aoe damage seems like pad when all the adds get obliterated by passive cleave and you want them to walk a bit to die in the right spot

sub felt good

there's downtime to supercharger stack!

[plush roost]

Yea!

[swift tinsel]

didn't even think about that

gonna abuse it

[plush roost]

I think DS may be the play

unironically

[plush roost]

DS sub FINALLY is good

[swift tinsel]

I was actually thinking about trying it

[warm marlin]

hmm

idk

[swift tinsel]

ill give it a go this pull

[warm marlin]

actually i do know

dont do that

[swift tinsel]

say less

[plush roost]

Fack

[warm marlin]

if you fuck up dn you're bricked

[swift tinsel]

almost made a grave mistake

[warm marlin]

and there's so much downtime

[swift tinsel]

I'm just tunneling boss anyways

[astral echo]

for the apex talent little check list, does it mean if any of those conditions are met you use shadowstrike even on full cp or only if all of those conditions are met

[warm marlin]

also unironically you're gonna get parried

positioning is kinda important

[swift tinsel]

our ranged is butt at getting adds into melee range

literally face tanking them in narnia to starfall pad

[warm marlin]

yeah that's gonna screw you a bit

assa could be very good

we wiped to p3 burn initially and damage check seems a bit tight

[brazen stone]

how much mastery do u guys have? i feel like im pressin my buttons perfectly but im just getting gapped even with 250ilvl

prty sure im just missin hella mastery

[copper river]

You guys go wrist or belt for second craft?

[spice crag]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim vessel]

any tips on ?? nullaeus? dying to white hits is my wipe mode every time. using shadow dance to drop aggro and let valeera tank is my only survivability

[tulip light]

@copper river i got both heroic so i craft cloak. depends on what you loot

[bronze dragon]

tricks valeera with trickster, all aggro to her

[grim vessel]

she just dies when i do that

[swift tinsel]

our tanks are the biggest griefers I swear

[muted girder]

i had success tanking the boss and then using tricks during add phases. then after it was back to boss clicking off tricks

[swift tinsel]

we had a p3 kill inside the poop on the 3rd platform

[small vortex]

is the play to shadowstrike or shuriken storm on paladins boss?

[swift tinsel]

and our tank just started running around

as if there was somewhere to run to

was almost a 0.03% wipe

[oak socket]

Is this still bis?

[alpine wraith]

not anymore no

but still super good

[eager latch]

oh for real?

what's the bis setup

besides the on use haste from raid

[oblique fable]

Go sin or law

[leaden sequoia]

Holy smokes. Just got out of raid and boy is my damage ass.

[fair phoenix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

@lucid jackal what did you think of alleria

you play outlaw?

[lucid jackal]

Playin it rn

Probs done for the night p soon tho

[iron obsidian]

once we get 4set do we delay our second dance in blades now?

or do we still just rip it insta

[steel wyvern]

is it never worth to press shuriken storm for lash macabre

or to press evis for lash in 2/3t

or to press strike for lash in 3t?

thinking about vanguard boss

[pearl iris]

I dont think so, rogue is one of the worst classes on that boss anyways so your damage isnt too big of a deal on that boss imo

Some of the top parses are sub 5 casts of evis and very low amounts of strike, I personally almost never pressed it unless there was a time when my tanks had pulled 1 boss away and the healing boss was doing its shield + cast mechanic

[swift tinsel]

I'm a big sub fan, but I gotta say I'm not super enjoying it rn but imma wait til I get tier before I really gripe lol

[steel wyvern]

do u know if evis and coup can proc lash independently

[warm marlin]

you should be eviscerating on 2

[steel wyvern]

oh i thought u bp on 2

[swift tinsel]

it should

[warm marlin]

well

it can kind of depend on your mastery amount

[iron obsidian]

after the bp nerfs on tuesday you evis now

[steel wyvern]

i see

[iron obsidian]

at least

thats what exile said

[steel wyvern]

so do you even play PP

[iron obsidian]

so i believe him

[warm marlin]

Pp can outscale it on 2 target, but for my character evis on 2 target was a 2% gain

[steel wyvern]

or do u just play finality

2pt

[warm marlin]

nah theres a decent amount of 3 target where u bp

[steel wyvern]

but im assuming 1 bp per dance on 2t to proc lash is better

than an evis

[graceful terrace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1469473178937196808/1484397886849417216/image.png?ex=69be14c3&is=69bcc343&hm=ecc1c5bfe41bcf179d38e8bc8bc9251907da5eb77f7c97b5bb0db4e7a126defe&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=627&height=293
I dont understand this

is this for a situation where you have full Combo points and have a dance window upcoming?

[west tide]

guys i got r2 on heroic alleria

[pearl iris]

Its possible you only press evis on 2 target with ancient arts

[west tide]

but that pull i got all the p1 mechanics

[pearl iris]

Grats hoping to kill that in a couple of days

[strange chasm]

alleria are we ever bp

i feel like its pad

[steel wyvern]

that dont make no sense

[chrome palm]

never bp

[warm marlin]

pretty sure you evis the whole fight

[steel wyvern]

its either one or the other no

[chrome palm]

its giga pad

probably not even good pad either

[warm marlin]

ye

[chrome palm]

low key fun sub fight

[warm marlin]

i also thought it was fun

even if pseudo st

were you stacking sc in the intermissions

[chrome palm]

yessir

[warm marlin]

i have a feeling its gonna be assa tho

p3 burn

[west tide]

almost never

[pearl iris]

Im just looking at logs my guy, theory is one thing but looking at most top logs people are pressing BP almost exclusively except for the r1 which only pressed evis with the buff

[west tide]

very rarely like in between cds

to helps kill like little dudes on the last add?

cause our strat we had a lot there

[chrome palm]

shadowstep has never been more op than alleria

[west tide]

i was so scared to step in intermission

i never found out if i could step to her to get down faster

[warm marlin]

step is goated in this raid a lot I feel

helps with uptime a ton

[west tide]

step is really good ya

[warm marlin]

@chrome palm 👀

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[tight fjord]

progging on the council fight

strait to 16th dps

straight*

[chrome palm]

i was a loot vacuum

tfw 14% tier

[strange chasm]

are we holding the 2nd dance after blades with 4 set in order to fit the 2nd sectech in

[chrome palm]

ALSO @warm marlin my sims really likes 600 haste??

[warm marlin]

yea everyone is saying ts

[chrome palm]

wthelly

[warm marlin]

idk my robot is a genius

yours are all stupid!

[chrome palm]

robot gets 8 globals

with 600

mine was

Suske

[warm marlin]

my robot has perfectly adapted to my play and knows i need more haste to be a piggie

[tribal blade]

ok how long before they take away aoe blind again

and we have to complain to get it back again

[steel wyvern]

ok i killed

vanguard

[chrome palm]

ryldd you were finality on alleria ya?

[warm marlin]

i played full st build

[pearl iris]

How did it go?

[chrome palm]

i dropped tfd

[steel wyvern]

it was fine

[warm marlin]

tfd??

[chrome palm]

eggscute fight

[warm marlin]

dont tell youve been playing tfd

[steel wyvern]

did like 83

[warm marlin]

on other fights

my goat does not follow the knowledge

[chrome palm]

haha it was just beacuse of the normal fights being short!! || ||

[warm marlin]

that tfd is worse on anything above 2mins

[chrome palm]

i should b put down

hard to lose the tfd virus

[warm marlin]

i was gonna get a screenshot of this guy playing tfd on 10 min chim

but hes a pirate

[chrome palm]

pirate saved me LOL

[steel wyvern]

we achieved 1piece

😸

[chrome palm]

ryldd you see the cloud cover animation

this shit is insane

[warm marlin]

its beautiful

[chrome palm]

bro

[warm marlin]

gonna drop it on my raid in the middle of p2 alleria

they will surely live

[chrome palm]

xdd

bro im just gonna take the distract version for like one fight

and tell the raid im dropping smoke bomb during a damage event

without explanation

[warm marlin]

temu darkness

[chrome palm]

i think theyll fall for it

im the onyl rogue here

[brazen stone]

hi, what should i craft first as sub for keys :^)

[warm marlin]

dagger with darkmoon sigil hunt

[warm marlin]

i fell asleep in my chair waiting for rez during the start of p1 prog

missed like 30 minutes of raid

[chrome palm]

classic

[warm marlin]

W p1 prog skip

[manic ice]

did something change to make is so we are now not using our second SD during the opener until SecTech comes back off CD?

[warm marlin]

it's related to getting guidon and tier

[steel wyvern]

guidon

W guidon

[manic ice]

my sim suggests doing it without any tier and whatever guidion is

unless reading the sample sequence table is just bad to look at

[iron obsidian]

whats subs second embellishment?

[steel wyvern]

guidon give many haste make short cooldown sectech

so need hold dance less

[manic ice]

becuase it used 3x backstab and waited to cast the second dance till sectech

[steel wyvern]

yes

[warm marlin]

lust also gives you enough haste

[steel wyvern]

guidon plus lust gives u enough to go back to back dance

[left ledge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jjk-gojo-satoru-4sReZVgNmJLaVXp1mW

[rich canopy]

How is this other Rogue doing ~50% more damage with Unseen Blade than I am?

Numbers on everything else are about equal

[raven blaze]

life is good

heroic vault slot unlocked

[crystal quiver]

Whats the way to sim a different racial?

[bleak night]

#tc-research message

[woeful quartz]

!MACRO

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[tulip light]

@crystal quiver you do an advanced sim and paste this after your simc input string https://pastecode.io/s/uxuhgehm

[high grotto]

dumbass question is BP still 2 target?

[rich canopy]

This other Rogue isn't pooling to SecTec on cooldown, did something change in the rotation?

[graceful crown]

representing the subtleties, blizz nerf pls we need it

[rich canopy]

I wonder if the Dance/SecTec macro doesn't work

My average SecTec is 26k and it's always on full combo points

[stoic anchor]

Yes but you're a night elf:(

[graceful crown]

it works if you dont use in stealth xD

[rich canopy]

It's consistently low on every use for H Vor

The other Rogue isn't using the macro and they're doing less casts, but averaging 42k

[high grotto]

if it makes you feel better im parsing 20s lmao

[raven blaze]

whats wrong with that

[proper eagle]

AoE blind patch. We are so back.

[crystal quiver]

ye a i got it ty

panda is 500dps time to switch i guess, also been sick of orc racial off timing ngl

[cosmic crescent]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[tulip light]

also race change discount in shop

[sweet moss]

link

[tulip light]

also banked 3x pack

[sweet moss]

why race change

[white tapir]

wwow, is the 2p bonus for sub really worth 9% of your dps

[graceful crown]

yep

for me too

i need it ;(

[tropic field]

Do you guys swap to adds during vaelgor and ezzorak?

[dire ravine]

my sectech lines up v nicely for a fat juicy splash

[echo lynx]

panda sims better than maghar, thats why people race change

[dire ravine]

theyre not even aerodynamic, how can this be?

[tropic field]

Ah okey cuz i tried yesterday but they all seem to die too fast to even be efficient enough to swap

[high grotto]

is it ever worth holding sectec other than the 10 secs before Shad Blades?

like for add spawns or is it just send it

[tulip light]

i go panda bc it looks COOL AF

[tulip light]

no

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade decent start. we got through NK heroic tonight

[tulip light]

rookie numbers

[high grotto]

even if add spawns are like 5 secs off?

[ornate crystal]

when i use my algeth'ar puzzle box, my mastery is at 96% during this window, am i wasting points in other stats ? baseline im at almost 60% mastery, im at 18% haste and 20% crit. Does mastery fall of tremendously at 100% and beyond?

[lilac stag]

you hold for the encounter if need be

[tulip light]

i mean if thats the case and the add dmg is needed / u want to log pad

[high grotto]

nah i havent been padding pretty much at all but my logs look garbage lmao

do we send the sectec on the last 1/2 secs of shad blades

[dry plank]

Panda is just cute and cool

[dire ravine]

Not a big fan of council boss

[spare totem]

Idk why i can't wrap my head around the aa thing. im so lost.. lol

[astral axle]

For dragons are y'all saving blades for the add phase or just sending it on dragon

[plush roost]

Send add doesnt seem to really do enough

Also hi museless

[astral axle]

hi fwen :3

im having fun playing rogue

[plush roost]

Its pretty fun on alleris ngl

[strange chasm]

How lol

[crystal quiver]

Lol did 12 bosses tn and only 1 leather tier piece dropped across all the bosses

maxpain

[plush roost]

Sub and damage amps 😉

(P1 dps)

[frosty sinew]

does non raid/dungeon have a longer update check for haste trinket. been testing on dummy and even with 0.4-5seconds in between trinket use and dance i am not getting extra globals in

[short radish]

i wonder how long before peopel realise the real damage isn't from padding on adds but waiting for the damage amp

[plush roost]

Probably about 2 days

[warm marlin]

we must not be doing the marsh strat

our p1 looks more like this

[plush roost]

8(

I essentially solod the last add

[warm marlin]

he dies 2gcds into my blades

[plush roost]

Did u guys just send 1 tank over to last guy to stack blobs?

[warm marlin]

bro is at like 400% damage amp

yes

[plush roost]

Hmm i think my group may have sent early?

Before amp.

[lilac stag]

Which fight?

[plush roost]

So i got the juice

[warm marlin]

419k sectec clone hit on that guy

[plush roost]

Crown h

[lilac stag]

ah

[warm marlin]

you can "spread" spriest plink by hitting damage amp mobs

and it cleaves the amped damage

so he's just hitting the back guy getting turbo amped the whole phase and doing infinite

[plush roost]

Oh shit thats insane

[lilac stag]

I thought it was an outlaw tier.

[plush roost]

I think all 3 get played

Sub may not even be the play for alleria either

[warm marlin]

feel like it may end up being assa

for p3 damage

[plush roost]

Same

[warm marlin]

also rbg blitz is mega free

if u didnt get pvp cata already

[plush roost]

I had 1600 shuffle

And almost didnt have 4 set anywah

We split lfr for me

Based

[warm marlin]

im just full pve gear killing people in kidney

[lilac stag]

Are you using pvp build?

[warm marlin]

idek what pvp build is

playing raid st baby

[plush roost]

WaT

[lilac stag]

Hah

[plush roost]

2 vanish in pvp

Goes crazu

[warm marlin]

im surely getting excellent value from cold blooded killer

[plush roost]

Subterfuge is a free blink and infinity cheapshots

[plush roost]

Surely

[lilac stag]

2pc feels soooo much better

[warm marlin]

idk i have 1900mmr after 3 games and they've all been mega free

im just walking around pveing

[frosty sinew]

imagine having any tier drop

[warm marlin]

good times

[lilac stag]

Funny what 9% does

[plush roost]

What do u need for cata in blitz?

1600?

[warm marlin]

1600 for all pvp

[plush roost]

Lmfao and here i was in the mines of solo shuffle

[cyan saddle]

what am i missing with heroic dargons. I pumped as hard as i could and only did 65k

[lilac stag]

Trinket snapshotting tech seems sus at times

[frosty sinew]

^

[warm marlin]

after i played it more it works

[frosty sinew]

been testing it on dummy and it doesnt seem consistent at all

sometimes 0.3 seconds is enough

sometimes 0.5 isnt

[warm marlin]

your sectec should be 2nd finisher and usually you strike for apex before it

to delay spending that supercharger for sectec to come up

[lilac stag]

Are you just holding off on sending second dance or is it lining up

[frosty sinew]

you mean for second dance in blades?

[warm marlin]

you hold dance as long as possible

[frosty sinew]

are you consistently getting the extra global in first dance using trinket ~0.2 seconds before dance

[warm marlin]

no i keep hitting it too early

[upper cosmos]

on salad are people just holding blades for each amp and if so do I just go puzzle box for the fight over guidon?

[warm marlin]

shit sucks

[frosty sinew]

i swear that shit is not consistent at all

with the update timing

[lilac stag]

We are a dmg amp spec

[frosty sinew]

puzzle wouldn't be up for first amp

isnt it like 1:45 it starts

[spare hazel]

can someone explain to me how the new tricks of the trade works? I cast it on the tank and I see it's a 60m buff but i still get aggro when i hit mobs first

do i still have to recast it everytime?

[upper cosmos]

yeah 1:43

[lilac stag]

You have to hit something in first 30 seconds of cast

Then it’s up

[spare hazel]

then it will last for the remaining hour?

[lilac stag]

Until death or 60 mins

[spare hazel]

so in an m+ for example i won't have to recast it between pulls

is that correct?

[lucid jackal]

correct

[spare hazel]

ok

thanks

[warm marlin]

it might be a bit troll without 4p

but you see the idea

[frosty sinew]

ye seems way better once you get 4p

definitely still worth without it though

[warm marlin]

you dance right as guidon will expire and get your supercharged sectec + extended dance duration

[steel zinc]

Rogue worst state tuning wise since sl s1 or your still thinking it's fine that tanks out DPS us?

[lilac stag]

Yeah I just wasn’t holding long enough

[frosty sinew]

are we really getting out dpsed by tanks in anything

or do i just play with shit tanks

[lilac stag]

We’re definitely abysmal without tier.

[dense geode]

whats our tier %

[lilac stag]

I’m still looking forward to the fights in mythic

9-10 for 2pc

[frosty sinew]

other than paladins i've enjoyed all the fights on heroic

[lilac stag]

15% ish total

[frosty sinew]

last boss is pretty sick

[woeful wren]

only fight I have not enjoyed so far as sub is vanguard

feels complete horse

[hollow spear]

The fights feel quite good for the most part, you should just not look at the meters

[lilac stag]

psure e have the highest gain from tier with boomkins. Everything else way lower

[lucid jackal]

What are u on abt

[hollow spear]

Isn't the biggest gain from 2p already?

[frosty sinew]

tanks lookin lil strong! definitely losing to them!

[lilac stag]

Ye

[lucid jackal]

What are u even pinging me abt

[tribal blade]

NICE

[lilac stag]

Sub vibe still good

[tribal blade]

i did it

x2 cata charges

[lilac stag]

Nice

[frosty sinew]

nice

[warm marlin]

my team just got absolutely rolled in blitz

[frosty sinew]

i cbf doing pvp ill just wait till tuesday

[warm marlin]

surely we are done soon

[lilac stag]

That’s tomorrows goal

[bleak night]

gamer

[tribal blade]

it's not so bad in solo shuffle

you just pick the weakest person and bully them

but as a rogue you're always trained

it's nuts

[warm marlin]

i refuse to spend time farming honor gear

[tribal blade]

i spent literally 95% of that climb being the person trained

[warm marlin]

so blitz is my home

[tribal blade]

fair

[warm marlin]

i will not survive being trained with no trinket and down 100k hp

[plush roost]

Honestly i just tunneled dh or caster and won

[tribal blade]

i hate arenas

i love bgs

so i agree

[plush roost]

Rogue op in arena

[tribal blade]

yeah dh is squishy if you can catch them

i played sin to unga bunga

no setup

[plush roost]

Dont even have to catch them, just keep going they run out of blurs before u run out of shadow dance

And then its gg

[tribal blade]

haha true

[lilac stag]

gn friends.

[tribal blade]

GOOD NIGHT

[haughty mural]

Good night

[lucid jackal]

wake up @steel zinc

[hollow spear]

It's 7.30 in Germany (?), maybe he's not caffeinated yet

[steel zinc]

Nah just meming guy said gonna be fine

Did two splits with full gear was not fine

No amount of tier will save any rogue spec

[lucid jackal]

Do U think, I think rogue is good rn

[iron obsidian]

but dw

they messed up how much they nerfed dk

[steel zinc]

No worst state tuning wise

[iron obsidian]

and reverted it

[steel zinc]

Still miles ahead of any rogue

[iron obsidian]

real

[frosty sinew]

i think other than trio boss im happy with dmg on everything else

[tulip light]

m0 week ruined us 🙁

[hollow spear]

Besides some exceptions I don't think it's a rogue problem. It's a melee problem.

[steel zinc]

So basically all 3 rogue specs are so poorly tuned that any council fight means any decent guild would be better off with a 3rd tank DPS wise

Aka bench

[frosty sinew]

i mean you would not be better off with a third tank

[hollow spear]

If you check the meters or logs, melee are behind on a lot of fights. Maybe sample bias, but I have the feeling .

[frosty sinew]

rogue gains a lot from tier also

[steel zinc]

I mean the raid is decent for melee mechanics wise. It's just utter bs

[steel zinc]

11% won't make Up 30k or more delta

[oak sorrel]

this is pretty much the best trinket combo pre-raid yeah?

[steel zinc]

Yes

And even bis everywhere

[tardy spear]

puzzle box feels so bad

[oak sorrel]

pbox is unbelievably annoying to use

[steel zinc]

Yes

[iron obsidian]

have 4 set, and was barely beating my tank on the council fight

isnt that bottom trinket in the picture sim bait

and well just bait in general

[oak sorrel]

are you supposed to delay sb or pbox or do you send them both off cd and hold sectec/sd?

[iron obsidian]

since the souls are so hard to see

ive been using my puzzle box every other cd set

[woeful wren]

Visual is better than beta

Much much better

[oak sorrel]

if the correct way to use pbox is as a 3min cd then i dont mind it nearly as much

[frosty sinew]

i mean i did say we suck at that fight tbf

but i wasn't losing to tanks with 0 tier personally

[hollow spear]

Idk our prot warrior was pumping

[tribal blade]

i forgot to turn WM off and was in no pvp gear

my nightmare prey ambushed me and a BM hunter started attacking me

[hollow spear]

You're on na right?

[tribal blade]

ran away, almost died, killed the BM and then killed the prey

what an idiot

[tribal blade]

yeah stormrage

[iron obsidian]

W stormrage gamer

[tribal blade]

HELL YEAH

[hollow spear]

Couldn't do that on EU. You'd have four Russians on your butt in the blink of an eye.

[tribal blade]

lol true

[hollow spear]

They smell that .

[tribal blade]

SUKA BLYATT KILL ROGUE

[steel zinc]

Well tbf sub is very good in PVP

Time to switch from pve

[gilded thistle]

this feels so good

[hollow spear]

Shove off

[gilded thistle]

dont have to think about trinks for a while

[hollow spear]

Didn't even see one guidon in two splits incl lfr

[gilded thistle]

damn lol

[tribal blade]

nah i get too angy pvping haha

that's partially why i stopped

[gilded thistle]

i parsed rank 2 on him tho so i earned it

nvm rank 3 now, im washed

[oak sorrel]

feels like i do no damage to people most of the time

and then a shadow tech coup crits and deletes half their hp

[hollow spear]

It's the same in pve, no? You do a delve with elites and decide to save your dance, which ends up you wet noodling the mob for 20 seconds.

Which taught me to always send the dance

[oak sorrel]

in pvp even with dance i feel like i dont do damage to players most of the time, until a shadow techniques proc hits sectec or coup

granted all i have is 4 pieces of combatant lul

[rich canopy]

Are you supposed to keep backstabbing with full CP before dance?

[subtle jay]

feels even better

[hot seal]

Didnt this gaze get nerfed? Sims negative for me

[subtle jay]

simmed like +1.7% for me but i dunno really

[gilded thistle]

guh

[wild vine]

They all sim pretty equal

The big ones

[gilded thistle]

i spent my hero crests on weapon, so no upgrading for me

[wild vine]

[subtle jay]

aight some chinese guy is ahead of me by 2k dps on heroic paladins so i guess i can consider myself good on that boss

[gilded thistle]

should I not have lol?

it simmed higher than upgraded trinket

[subtle jay]

next week is m+ and myth raid

so u just spent 80 hero crests for nothing my friend

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-no-no-text-gif-1697004565875031511

[gilded thistle]

no actually i spent them on a cool weapon and my damage went up

👍

[wild vine]

Its a waste

[subtle jay]

yeah but u could spend them on trinkets or something else this week and craft yourself myth dagger next week

crafting hero dagger this week is a waste 4real

[gilded thistle]

im not going into mythic lol

[wild vine]

You just craft/recraft the dagger with myth track next week or you just out yourself behind

You dont need to go into mythic to get mythic crests

[subtle jay]

but m+?

[golden totem]

I mean, if you had fun with those crest that's worth it to me

[gilded thistle]

yeah ya'll are way too fucking sweaty, i do NOT care that much lol

in a few months we'll all be full BiS anyways so who cares

[wild vine]

Guilds care

Tbh

[gilded thistle]

my guild doesn't

[wild vine]

Yeah but those of most in here do

Thats why we care

And there is no real benefit outside of that either

But its fine if you think it was worth at the end of the day

Since its just a game to have fun

[gilded thistle]

if i get a better one it just moves to my offhand, i'm really not that invested

not like I wont be using it either way

[wild vine]

The reason why you wouldnt do it even if it goes into your offhand is because that slot is kinda shit

[gilded thistle]

yeah ik

but again, i just dont care that much lol

[wild vine]

Which is fine ye. Always better than the people crafting int weapons on accident

[subtle jay]

i've crafted myth wrists instead of myth dagger back in tww s3

[lapis zenith]

How much did people tip for their crafts?

[wild vine]

5-10k

[wild vine]

Thats kinda not that bad since you dont waste it in the end, but also... Ye

I wanted to play mage as an alt in df and crafted a strength sword

(I didnt alt mage after that)

[lapis zenith]

is there a reason we craft belt? It says use a lower stated item slot, but wrists is the lowest right?

I assume belt and boots are equal, just not sure about why not wrists

[wild vine]

Stats potentially

For that one profile

Which might only be ahead 50dps

[lapis zenith]

ok so its in terms of looking at wholistic bis that belts are better when using other items?

[distant sage]

i mean just craft your weakest slot when you get a rancid vault

[vale pine]

belt, writst, boots are the typical slots you use

[wild vine]

Ye thats kinda the gist of how that works in general

While it being ahead might only be margin of error even

You wont see much of a diff between crafting what fuu said

[lapis zenith]

yeah I get the slots, I would just think wrists/cloak would be higher prio since theyre lower stat budgetted, but it makes sense if we take into account bis stats

[hollow spear]

I got heroic wrists, so I crafted the belt

[keen dome]

AoE blind coming back, my beloved.

[vale pine]

AoE blind back is great

[keen dome]

Cloud Cover change is super cool, too

[tropic field]

guys, during lightbinders do you constantly use black powder even if they are only 2 closeby till the 3rd joins in?

[vale pine]

yes, you typically talent potent powder

which means using bp on 2+

[tropic field]

oh okey, thanks!

[brazen stone]

what stats did you guys put on your crafted dagger and belt?

haste mastery?

or crit mast

[keen dome]

haste/mstery on dagger 'cos it simmed better

[brazen stone]

should i farm 80 hero dawncrests first

[keen dome]

What for?

[tribal blade]

yes but when will they take it away again 😉

and then we'll have to complain to get it back

[keen dome]

Making a hero weapon with 80 crests is a pretty big waste of 80 crests if you will then make a Myth in a week or two.

[brazen stone]

so just ignore those crests and craft anyway without u think?

[ornate lake]

H/M?

[mental saffron]

Surely the new trickster talent is played in M+ right?

[wild vine]

Dont think so

Might depend on what they do with the stacking ig

[keen dome]

Ye. It's a cool change to a pretty useless talent though. But will it beat out 10% crit chance on fazed enemies?

[mental saffron]

I guess we wont be able to 3 stack in aoe, so maybe not

We only get 3 stack on our prio target and maybe 2 on adds

[keen dome]

Maybe on huge AoE pulls it'll be good if you could faze every mob instantly during your cooldowns.

[wild vine]

Idk how it might work with the multiple sectec hits

For example

[mental saffron]

We dont know the Secret tech interaction with it, maybe since it hits 3 times it would stack multiple

^

[crimson ember]

Quick question. Regarding Apex Talent, do we always fish for Apex Talent during shadow dance? So mostly use Evisc with Apex talent active? Or just for Supercharged? I see some people do Shadows trike - > Evisc (with apex proc) -> Evisc again (without apex proc) if combo points are refunded. Or always use Shadows trike to get apex proc for Evisc?

[mental saffron]

If it does apply 3 stacks it surely would be played

[fallow ingot]

strating looking decent

[keen dome]

numbers

[fallow ingot]

btw is it normal that crit enchant rings not show the 1% crit in the stats ?

[mental saffron]

Am living the squshy life

[keen dome]

they're not 1% crit chance.

So they won't show up

[fallow ingot]

oh its crit damage

[keen dome]

Yeah

It's just crit damage (or effectiveness)

[fallow ingot]

nvm tho xD

[keen dome]

So 2% extra damage on crits is kinda rad

[mental saffron]

Anyone know if the 4 set catalyst drop mechanic is active?

[fallow ingot]

i'm 1P only brother 🙁

[keen dome]

A buddy got 4-set and the achievement popped, but we've not seen anything drop for her yet

[brazen stone]

so this is wat i wanna make right? and use in offhand?

[bleak night]

Yes

[tribal blade]

cloud cover both sounds really good and really troll at the same time

[fallow ingot]

Yes

[bleak night]

I got a drop from normal alleria after getting the achievement

[tribal blade]

tank decides to pull the pack away during blades and it's over

[keen dome]

Nice

the system works.

[brazen stone]

259 ilvl yea?

[mental saffron]

Ok cool, so we just rush 4 set then ig

[keen dome]

259 is baseline so yes.

[fallow ingot]

yes without crest and recraft later with guilded crest i assume

[brazen stone]

ok ty

wat stats did u guys make your belts with

crit mast or haste mast

[fallow ingot]

i did haste mast

[keen dome]

Sim yourself to see what is best

[tribal blade]

i think this early on it's safer to get haste

[spring elm]

Blizz should just copy Mara from Fellowship for sub rogue. They clearly have no talent in their class design and a good class design is right there made for them

[keen dome]

We can't really predict your gearing situation lol

[fallow ingot]

u need 18% haste anyway if u already have it, got for crit mast if not haste mast imo

[olive canyon]

I need to be talked out of using my cata charge to get 2p

[fallow ingot]

i will not do that tbh

[keen dome]

Don't do it. It's a waste.

[fallow ingot]

ikr its a hugde upgrade

[olive canyon]

Yell at me more, because I am so tempted

[keen dome]

Wait until next reset, get vault, slam M+ to 2k .io

And then get 4p

[olive canyon]

That is smart

but it is right there. 9% all we need right?

[keen dome]

But what if you do it and your vault is tier on the slot you catalyst'd

you'd have played yourself and cheated yourself outta 4p!

[reef walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-why-shouldnt-i-lotr-bilbo-bilbo-why-shouldnt-i-why-shouldnt-i-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17096479

[olive canyon]

oh that is guaranteed

that is exactly how i feel @reef walrus

[keen dome]

Now what you should do is give me the tier piece for safe keeping.

[olive canyon]

send me to the undying lands right after

[wraith sphinx]

if you catalyst now your vault will have tier you don't need

If you wait till reset, your vault will have no tier at all

[ashen grove]

im simming 53k @250 GS, patchwerk 5min. is this normal? it feels a bit low?

[keen dome]

Seems fine

[reef walrus]

why is Schrödinger showing up in my videogame smh

[wraith sphinx]

His cat was a sub rogue main

[brazen stone]

if i enchant my crafted dagger and later recraft it to a higher ilvl, does it keep the enchant?

[fervent plover]

Guys u saw the datamined changes?

Are they new or old?

[reef walrus]

it does keep the enchant

[keen dome]

They're new. Check the pins.

[reef walrus]

for some reason only runeforges get removed when recrafting

[brazen stone]

tyvm

[keen dome]

I assume because they're spaghetti

[olive canyon]

these trinkets really are simming interestingly

[keen dome]

I got the snot trinket.

I'm curious to see how it goes

[fallow ingot]

its ass :/

[keen dome]

I'm excited to see how ass but also it's heroic so I'm using it haha

I have it and guidon atm

[fallow ingot]

u have to separate guidon from ur burst macro right ?

[olive canyon]

is vessel really that good

[keen dome]

I don't have any macros

[olive canyon]

or is it simming wrong somehow

[keen dome]

Absolutely not it's trash

Because the little souls are insanely hard to pick up. In an ideal world where you can pick them up it's extreemly strong because of how much agi you get for a minute

But I legit believe in actual content it's completely unusable.

[tulip light]

i mean play it on one boss and you insta delete it

[mighty citrus]

this

played whole raid with it

gave me aids

[keen dome]

If blizz hotfix the souls to actually be visible then I think it'll be exceptional.

But as they are right now it's not very good.

[tribal blade]

yeah i think it's a sim bait

might need to look more into it

i haven't actually used the trink yet so i don't know how bad it is

[mighty citrus]

i asked eleem, it sims with an avg of 4 souls

so yeah 😄

[keen dome]

Actually @vale pine is it worth mentioning this in the trinket list (If you've not yet, all I remember is it's S ranked)? That the Vessel trinket is pretty hard to play around / with

[tribal blade]

if it's a sim bait i need to know the 2nd best option to tell my RL my bis

[cloud rover]

I had 50% uptime in Raid yesterday (it was random)

[keen dome]

The soul-grabber has logged on

[cloud rover]

Draught of Souls with Master Assassin Legy

[keen dome]

I assume Guidon + Plumes

[tribal blade]

u r funny guy

[tulip light]

gaze / plume

[keen dome]

60s of 268 mastery then 60 of 268 crit with the ability to swap on demand

[tribal blade]

yeah i think plume too

[keen dome]

Or does it swap automatically? I dunno, it's cool though

[cloud rover]

I never had Draught of SOuls

[tribal blade]

it was really crazy, fury warrs would use it in pvp

they would reck>pop the trinket

and nuke you

[keen dome]

Soul Capacitor, my beloved.

[dry plank]

i got 95 log and was under 37 log hunter :(, how do you feel about raid bois?

feels so clunky with our cds

[keen dome]

Raid rules, big fan of it.

[cloud rover]

I want the Xymox weapon arsenal Trinket, which put bleed on every mob

[wraith sphinx]

It feels smooth AF imo

[short radish]

@warm marlin ???

[cloud rover]

when shuriken storm and black powder

[tribal blade]

LOL

[keen dome]

lmao

pour one out for bingus

[polar wharf]

Guys how are you doing in your raids, do you manage to get into top third of the dps?

[vale pine]

think i should put it A instead of S tier tbh, i have the tooltip on "gear from dungeons" about its difficult use, but forgot to add it to the tierlist.
Give me 5 mins, ill update

[keen dome]

Rad, sounds like a plan.

It's sad 'cos in theory the trinket is cool.

[mighty citrus]

or make it like the crit trinket from last raid

like the souls move slowly towards you or something

where can we spam blizz for feedback

[wraith sphinx]

Carrier pigeon might work

[vale pine]

i actually already wrote the tooltip, just forgot to add it to the tierlist XD, stupid me

[warm marlin]

err

[neon stirrup]

I want to switch from assa to sub but nightmare guy keeps saying subtlety isn't my strong suit.. what do i do

[warm marlin]

uhm

[tribal blade]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/1205-slayer-arms-sudden-death-change-is-a-horrible-decision-arms-feedback/2270878/49 you can be like the arms warr in my guild and make a forum post

frost mage gets insta changes to make their playstyle better and arms doesn't haha

[mighty citrus]

😄

[tribal blade]

warriors deal with the same issues rogues do

[wild vine]

I sometimes literally forgot to watch out for the souls

Because of mechanics or smth

[warm marlin]

i can explain

[short radish]

go on

[warm marlin]

i tried to pull the literal entire dungeon together and died at 0.1s left on the shield item cast

game sucks

[short radish]

lmao

trueeee

[tribal blade]

you would have lived if you had the new crimson vial talent smile

[hot creek]

Yo guys, is this trinket from Imperator rly strong ? Ive already 18% haste and it feels to me that my danse isnt longer when i use the trinket , isnt it better to have a mastery trinket ?

[tribal blade]

make sure it's not macro'd to dance+sectec

pressing it the same gcd dance won't update

dance needs 0.2 secs to update the haste

[hot creek]

It is, i read i had to respect 0.2 sec

[warm marlin]

real

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[keen dome]

Haha, nice.

[hot creek]

I'll press it manually then ty !

[tribal blade]

yeah that'll work fs

[hot creek]

Im afraid this will change my usual dance+sectec cycle but anyway

[rain stratus]

I mean you kinda have to, since it can’t be macroed to Dance 😔

[hot creek]

Yes i wanted to forget it ahah since i saw a log where a dude parsed good with this trinket in a macro but i guess i need the haste gain more than him ahah

[pastel quarry]

Man Puzzle Box is sick but holy inconvenience

[fervent plover]

so when does 12.0.5 drop?

is it next week?

[wild vine]

In a month or two

Or something

Maybe

[balmy gate]

For real what is Blizzard thinkin when we do less DMG as the Tank laughable. This Most BE number one prio for blizzard to fix this

AS a*

[reef walrus]

when you add that, I think there's a typo in your text

[wild vine]

We arent even close to tank dmg

[cloud rover]

You havent seen me playing clearly

[balmy gate]

@wild vine im fairly new to wow 2-3 years but why does Blizzard Not fix this ?

[wild vine]

You are always my top dog

[short radish]

because blizzard dont care about rogues

[balmy gate]

Man horrible its the only Class who makes fun to play

[wild vine]

There clearly are worse specs and balancing is ongoing

If you deal tank dmg its a you problem

[cloud rover]

Thanks

[wild vine]

No need to exaggerate

[wild vine]

[balmy gate]

Yeah U right but its sad 🙁 i dont need to be Meta or the strongest one but in the middle would be cool

[wild vine]

Technically we are just shy of the middle

And its week 1

[vale pine]

i did see that when reading, so fixed already, but thanks for pointing out

[wild vine]

And tuning is ongoing

[reef walrus]

thanks for all the good work with the guides in that case!

[keen dome]

I was sitting pretty consistently at the 50 - 55k mark on most heroic fights I've done. Def above tank damage, if not spectacular.

I'm also bad

[fervent plover]

how is m+ dmg?

will it be bad as well?

m0s so far not bad

i really dont know what class to play

i just wanna dps but everything besidfes 2 3 classes seems dog

[olive canyon]

I honestly dont think we will be bad

Hope we get a bit of an adjustment tonight/monday - but i think our AoE is still good its just not ELITE

We will likely fall off on higher keys which is a bigger concern

[keen dome]

Check back in a week.

[fervent plover]

what is a higher key?

12+?

or 7/8+

[keen dome]

Ye, I think so too. I wouldn't be too shocked to see a BP buff.

[olive canyon]

10+

depends on where you are on the season

[fervent plover]

cus mm hunter also is supposed to fall off in higher keys but previous seasons has just bveen one shotting everything up to +10

even +12 tbh

[olive canyon]

the later it goes, its relative, at first i guess around the 10 or 8 mark packs will last longer

[maiden oar]

i need information only a genius pug guy would know can u help me

how mad will people be if i keep joining their heroic pugs even though im saved

i wanna practice dh

[leaden gorge]

when you re-craft a weapon do you need to re-enchant it again

[paper flame]

no

[unreal silo]

no1 will know you are saved

[stiff stirrup]

no way they buff BP the week after nerfing it

[olive canyon]

best case we can hope for is a nimble flurry adjustment

but knowing blizz, theyll buff sectec and we will all be left wondering what is going on over there

[keen dome]

People won't even notice most of the time unless you push them under the loot threshold but even then who cares.

I wouldn't be mad if someone did that and then we killed the boss, loot is w/e.

[spare turtle]

This might sound stupid but waiting 3-4 second for shadow dance and secret technique to come off cd when on low energy (without overcaping) to use secret technique on CD without waiting for energy and delaying it, should result in a dps loss right?

[wild vine]

People do

They will seek you out and kick you

[keen dome]

Hahaha

Most pug leads don't even know what instance they're in

[maiden oar]

ok ty

[keen dome]

But ye, worst case you get kicked.

Loot is an illusion, kills are real

[uncut socket]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[wild vine]

Just tell them it wouldve been another piece of wrists anyways

[wicked urchin]

if you're just joining pugs and not guild groups then its w/e

gotta do whatcha gotta do

joining a small guild pug would be pretty bm though imo

[reef walrus]

I think nobody would notice unless you're in a raid size divisible by 5

since if you're 20 man, you should be guaranteed to get 4 items, if you then get 3 people notice

if you're 23 man, and 4 items drop, that's expected 40% of the time, if you being saved makes that 60% of the time, I don't think anyone notices at all

[keen dome]

Yeah, pretty much. Very very few people ever check.

Most people in pugs aren't paying attention to anything but the dps meter anyway

The amount of times I've had "kick low DPS" when we wipe to a mechanic that had nothing to do with dps lol

[reef walrus]

tbf if you just do enough dps, it would fix the issue with mechanics

[keen dome]

Not when it's something like a Saladbar orb hitting the boss 'cos the tank pulled the boss into it immediately

Or, alternatively: Voraius adds dying in the middle and not on walls because too much DPS

[reef walrus]

I'm not saying the numbers required to skip the mechanics are realistic numbers 😄

[oblique rune]

Which trinkets best ones for M+ content? Same for ST?

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

you want the big haste trinket for raid from the first boss and combine it with one of the passive options

passive means either gaze, vessel or the color change trinket you get from the first boss of the unreleased raid

[hollow spear]

Fuu, do you have a guide on how to drop the big haste trinket? Cannot find anything on wowhead.

[vale pine]

kill first boss

pray

pray more that a dk does not get it

[tribal blade]

i won our normal one, we'll see if it even drops on heroic

[vale pine]

some other passive options like heart of winds is okay too

[wild vine]

We didnt get a single one

On either

[tribal blade]

damn sad

[vale pine]

for mythic+ you want this stupid 2 min mastery trinket

puzzle box

[hollow spear]

After the unholy buffs they should almost be guaranteed to get it

[vale pine]

and combine it again with a passive option

[tribal blade]

hey fuu if i don't want to use vessel as our "bis" trinket which one should i give to our RL for my bis list

[wild vine]

They are just as bad as rogue

Rn

So

[tribal blade]

yeah unholy doesn't seem to be doing too hot atm

[wild vine]

I put in gaze

[tribal blade]

it's more so because it's a bit finnicky, i can't really just choose whichever trinket i want

they may check sources

[wild vine]

Still slightly ahead in the sheet

[tribal blade]

and i need to give them a concrete answer

[wild vine]

Ye fuu has trinket sims for ST in his sheet

Its ahead of the others

[tribal blade]

mm ok

[wild vine]

So if you dont wanna play vessel its reasonable

[tribal blade]

oh shit i see cool

[haughty mural]

[keen dome]

Very light testing but I think the snot trinket is a bit medicore:

[wild vine]

They really are

Look at wcl

[keen dome]

It did as much damage as my poisons on a delve boss.

But free dam is free dam I guess

[wild vine]

Maybe they are sandbagging idk

Would be hard to do on that scale

[native zodiac]

We did 3 splits, heroic and normal, 0 first boss trinkets

[tribal blade]

we did heroic chimarus and the uhdk in my raid team got the best parse out of the entire guild and was middle of the pack

[keen dome]

Wild

How did you find the fight?

[tribal blade]

it was kinda crazy

i didn't expect it to be that hard

feels like a big healing check

[keen dome]

Yeah, it is. So much constant damage.

What'd you do with cooldowns during P2, btw? Just sit on them until boss came back?

[tribal blade]

oh dude it was so awkward

[keen dome]

Right?

My group didn't need damage during P2 so I just sat around dancing and SecTecing until the boss landed

[tribal blade]

i just send blades whenever it was up and there was stuff to hit living long enough

but dances were incredibly awkward

i knew if i sent on boss i wouldn't have it for the adds

so i kinda sat on dances sometimes but that feels like a mistake

[keen dome]

I think in future I might send less people in with the soak because adds died so quickly, but boss damage suffered.

[tribal blade]

mmm interesting, we had the opposite issue of adds sometimes not dying in time

[keen dome]

There wasn't a single time on my kill pull where we ended the alnphase with less than 6 seconds on the buff

[tribal blade]

but because of deaths and people missing going down

[hot seal]

So first boss trinket, we dont macro it in blades?

[keen dome]

But conversely we killed the boss around.. 10 minutes I think?

[hot seal]

We have to use jt before?

[tropic field]

If i read the datamining correctly, do we get ST buff and a slightly aoe nerf?

[tribal blade]

yeah we got 2 lusts lol

[keen dome]

Haha

[reef walrus]

you have to use the trinket slightly before you press your shadow dance

[keen dome]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bWN3h6pYM2wqLvxa?fight=55&type=damage-done if you want my logs for the kill.

Peep the warlock lmao

[tribal blade]

oh yeah this fight is way better for ranged

[reef walrus]

using it together with blades is fine, as long as you then wait like 0.2 sec before using dance

[tribal blade]

it's kinda weird for melee

[keen dome]

On the kill I just had him sit outside on multiple soaks and pewpew the boss.

[tribal blade]

unless you have a LOT of mobility

[weary tree]

Ye we killed it in like 9:20 or so

Long ass fight

[hot seal]

Ah, but i had blades with dance 🙁

[keen dome]

Amazing that it died exactly on 10 minutes

[wild vine]

I mean you dont really lose boss damage

[reef walrus]

yeah it's because your shadow dance duration doesn't update dynamically with your haste, so you want to have the buff active already when you press dance

[wild vine]

If shield is gone you swap anyways

If its gone faster you swap faster

If it takes longer, you swap later

[hot seal]

Okay, so seperate blades from my dance

And thn

Blades with trinket

[tribal blade]

i might try just sending dance on cd and not worrying about lining it up with adds

[hot seal]

And dance after

[reef walrus]

yeah blades + trinket (maybe pot) and then dance later is fine

later as in a split second later

no need to wait globals

[wild vine]

0.2s

[weary tree]

for chimaerus? I found that using it on pull and beginning of a phase (assuming youre first group) your first dance outside of blades kinda lines up

[tribal blade]

ahh ok

[keen dome]

Yeah, but movement between add stack and boss, etc.

It's just downtime

[weary tree]

So yo ublast boss with blades, and just have a sectec ready in adds

[vale pine]

Talent Switching:

• On Cleave (3+ targets) or add fights, its worth switching Finality → Potent Powder
• On AoE, it is worth switching Weaponmaster → Finality additionally.

Hero talent choice:
Trickster for every fight that's not pure single-target.

List of Encounters:

• Imperator: Trickster - Cleave
• Vorasius: Trickster- Single Target
• Saladbar: Trickster- Single Target
• Valgor & Ezzarock: Trickster - Cleave
• Paladins (Lightblinded): Trickster - Cleave
• Crown of Cosmos: Tricksteer - Single Target
• Chimaerus: - Trickster Single Target / Cleave (Single target typically better)
• Beloren: - Trickster Single Target
• Midnight Falls: - Trickster Single Target

Talents:

•  Trickster Single Target
  • Import String: CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgx2MAAAAAwsMGLTYbZmxMjZgZmZmtxsNmZstNzMzMzMGMmZbAAAAYwYAjZxwADMLahWshZAzMYGDA
• Trickster Cleave
  • Import String: CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgx2MAAAAAwsMGLTMbbjxMjZMMzMzYMbjZGbbzMzMzMjBjZ2GAAAAGMGwY2MMwAziWoFbYGwMDmxA

Note: Add fights might turn into Single Target with more gear.

[wild vine]

Yeah but it aint that much. We experimented with group sizes and the shield of the big one is kinda rough once you do that and potentially someone dies

[keen dome]

That's good to know, cool.

[vale pine]

^ i got asked by quite a few in dm's, and saw its a common question.

so maybe the pin can help

[weary tree]

Think mythic chim might have you hold blades for adds sometimes

But we'll see

[vale pine]

chim you want to be 2nd grpup ideally

for cooldowns

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

Yeah, I had this too. First group. Could blades and sectec before going down every time.

[weary tree]

ye not too bad tbh

[keen dome]

If you step the second you get knocked up by the slam, you get more boss uptime too

[hot seal]

Farming pvp currently for my 4 set

Poggies

[weary tree]

Thank god i got 3 set and a catalyst piece

So I dont have to do pvp

[tribal blade]

oh did the value of our tier set change

[alpine wraith]

not much

[tribal blade]

or is the sheet showing DS

since trickster is 14%

[vale osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7k6VoiBDm3FBRPndCHWPWJ

Anyone know if Vessel is simbait or if it's actually good? I'd say my gear is preeetttty juiced atm

[wild vine]

We went for the "everyone should get 4p week2" route

[keen dome]

I'm still tierless. Send me some tier

[wild vine]

Its as good as you are able to collect the fragments

[tribal blade]

i have 0 tier and 2 cata charges

but still have the entire heroic raid to do

[dapper stirrup]

i have 4 set

[wild vine]

I got one so far

[keen dome]

I'll just get 4-set on reset, easy

2 catalyst charges once 2k, then I'll just loot 2 other peices easy

[vale osprey]

You know if they're diff to collect?