subtlety

[vale pine]

oh, i see the formating is broken, let me quick check
EDIT: Fixed

[wet jacinth]

ahh okay so i want to send it for my supercharged finishers okay tyvm :)

[tepid trellis]

specifically not sectech

and you want it on Darkest night

[wet jacinth]

yeah all my supercharged non sectecs and if specced into it my Darkest night okay ill have to practice that a bit xD

[olive canyon]

Frost mages really are just cracked

[hazy lichen]

guys

what crests should i use to craft the dagger

[vale pine]

you will initially likely just use the spark

and later recraft with mythic crests

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[granite rose]

What about second crafted piece?

[vale pine]

you usually just go with whatever fits your gear drops

[hazy lichen]

ty

we use this embellishment right

[vale pine]

there is the option to craft a non-spark piece with embellishments before raid

belt is a good option

[vale pine]

damn, the price went up

i got mine for 5 or 7k

[hazy lichen]

wtf?

should i wait

[swift tinsel]

coffer key shards automatically becoming keys when entering a delve is interesting

hm

[vale pine]

na, crafting is just expensive when the raid opens

thats normal

people drive prices up

[alpine wraith]

i need some NA peeps to tell me if the seasonal epic BG quest still exists

[hazy lichen]

thats toxic

[alpine wraith]

will take a mini nap

just @me

[swift tinsel]

gotta do all my weekly chores first

[vale pine]

is NA live?

[swift tinsel]

stormarion assault my not-beloved

[granite rose]

So spend sparks now on weapon upgrade with myth crest and then get second piece wherever is needed?

[hazy lichen]

yea

[swift tinsel]

yep

came up a lil bit early

[hazy lichen]

What stats should i put on the dagger

[vale pine]

oh nicu

[olive canyon]

yep - watching exiled

[vale pine]

ill probably watch a bit too

[olive canyon]

he is straight trickster on all.

[swift tinsel]

almost have my 400 coffer key shards

after doing like nothing lol

[vale pine]

trickster on all makes sense

in heroic

[craggy eagle]

can someone post a little clip of how the rotation would look like

[vale pine]

for normal, hard to say

[swift tinsel]

dungeon journal suggests m0 drops champ track today

[hazy lichen]

@vale pine what stats should i put on the crafted dagger

[olive canyon]

crit haste is safe if you plan on ever wanting an OH for outlaw

otherwise go mastery instead of crit

[stoic pawn]

@vale pine the 30% damage bonus is only for SS and BP?
Or all skills?

[hazy lichen]

k

[hazy breach]

Only SS and BP

[hazy lichen]

does getting the best ingrediants matter for the ilvl of it if im not using any crests to craft

[swift tinsel]

it helps ensure better quality

[hazy breach]

And its not really 30% damage either. It takes your crit damage from 200% to 230%, so you could say it makes your crits do 15% more damage

[swift tinsel]

bc the crafter won't have to use as much/any concentration

you should aim to use max-level ingredients

[olive canyon]

i belive it helps the crafter, but ive always just got the best mats

[hazy breach]

They seem to have remembered to buff all the clones btw

[swift tinsel]

wait

[olive canyon]

hype

[swift tinsel]

all

[olive canyon]

shadowed and apex?

[swift tinsel]

the clones?

[hazy breach]

Well all the ones they shouldve

[vale pine]

nicu

[swift tinsel]

hypehypehype

[olive canyon]

nice

[stuck arrow]

Niiice.

[swift tinsel]

as in Potent Powder

[olive canyon]

super anecdotal bs but exiled bursts on pull is nutty

not as good as a marks hunter but good nonetheless

[swift tinsel]

we do be burst aoeing

[hazy breach]

Sim went down a bit but i think they bricked hunters mark somehow in sims and thats why

[olive canyon]

this third boss could be scumbo heaven with all those adds, but its so ST heavy outside of that - where i just think you probably go straight single

[spiral needle]

exile playing sub, sub tier

[swift tinsel]

always sub tier

(except when its not)

[calm cloud]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[spiral needle]

every tier starts off as sub tier, and eventually becomes sin tier

[olive canyon]

assasination feels real good on multi target sustained fights - probs only paladins i guess

[hybrid prism]

got my normal mode guidon

nice

[rich canopy]

Does that mean that the apex optimization should only be used with supercharged combo points?

[swift tinsel]

or darkest night

[torn tide]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[torn tide]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[jovial chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand summit]

Are we still going trickster?

[hollow spear]

So the estimates you put out are correct-ish?

[hazy breach]

Theyre exactly on point

They didnt miss any of them

[alpine wraith]

yep

[hollow spear]

That's almost absurd

But I appreciate it

[bleak night]

mfw the delve nemesis has a one shot cast on a 20s cd

and spriest has a 30s kick

[swift tinsel]

owned lmao

[stuck arrow]

So we're +6%ST/-15%AoE all said and done?

[bleak night]

then i log onto my dk and one shot it

on ?

idk if i ever bother with ??

? was a 5m fight already

[plush roost]

But did they miss the 8% aura nerf as well?

Apex sec tec broken too i assume

Any neato bug fixes

Im not home dor 2 hrs xd

[swift tinsel]

does this mean sectech clones

inherit apex

not just phys

[vale pine]

they forgot the cleave damage buff

[plush roost]

[keen dome]

Those fiends

I hope they made us purpler

[hazy breach]

Well no

I meant they buffed/nerfed all the things they were supposed

[hazy breach]

Presumably still broken, but

I cant check because im no NA man

[plush roost]

Ill find out soonTM

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty heath]

NA testing account when

[hazy breach]

CBa

[still gazelle]

Hero crests from the housing quest?

[vale pine]

you need a subscription then too

[ancient gull]

hey so in what scenario do we press a builder at full cp to trigger ancient techniques now? how many targets and only with lust or not?

[vale pine]

which sounds expensive for no reason

[hazy breach]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[ancient gull]

thx

[indigo gorge]

are we crafting yet? or waiting

[vale pine]

dagger craft

then see what drops in raid

decide on 2nd craft after

[indigo gorge]

259 then we can recraft later? any embels yet?

[vale pine]

darkmoon hunt on dagger

[fiery fog]

last boss looks interesting

[glacial kraken]

craft a gun for huge ranged sub damage

[stuck arrow]

If you're down to grind M0s probably not much loss crafting a blue with an embellishment. Bit of a gamble I suppose.

[fiery fog]

first kill 3 adds into boss+1 add

ngl looks like a deathstalker angle

[keen dome]

Possibly, although phase 2 of Crown has two boss enemies + add.

[olive canyon]

but they are split

[keen dome]

Ye

[olive canyon]

by quite some distance, dont think you can effectively cleave

[keen dome]

Although the add might end up stacked up. Not sure, since it can't die until Sikverstrike Arrow takes the buff off it.

No clue on the cadence of the spawns though

[olive canyon]

So far its been a lot of ST, but its just normal so maybe adds have a lot more health on hearoic.

[keen dome]

Yeah, I imagine it's almost exlcusively ST for Sub

I don't think it'll be DS 'cos of P1 though, personally. But, just speculation going off journal.

[fiery fog]

but even p1 looks like all adds are split

no?

[olive canyon]

even in p1, its not that hectic

you just move add to add with a lot of time, so more than enough time to move mark

[keen dome]

That's neat

Maybe it is DS angle then

[olive canyon]

and the double dragons is the same thing, you sit on one, then go to the other, with 1 big spawn of mass adds

[keen dome]

I'm not sure if you could tank two adds together or not, or if they'd rubber band. Again, only journal so I'm just pure speculating.

[keen dome]

ye, that makes sense.

What about the orbs?

[fiery fog]

just a speculation (didnt read shit) maybe we need to even switch adds every now and then on mythic?

[keen dome]

from Void Howl

[safe tundra]

got raid in 6 hrs whats the fastest way from 232 to 240+ ilvl 😭

i dont got the rep or prey done

[olive canyon]

craft - send crests

lfr?

[keen dome]

Not that I remotely think the orbs from void howl will be a Sub Job, but I'm curious how long they last

[olive canyon]

then delves i guess

p1 has very small adds but they are such low health

[keen dome]

Yeah, those are the ones spawning from Void Howl circles.

If they're low HP then they'll probably explode instantly with some stops to prevent the casts.

[calm cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/delicious-tasty-gif-22731288

[safe tundra]

i doubt ill get much from lfr but im just running dungeons rn

[olive canyon]

m0 tour should drop you 6 items on average so god bless

[spare crypt]

is m0 dropping champ gear or high tier veteran?

[fiery fog]

we can get so many items after reset

[safe tundra]

ive been doing it and i ran 4 dungeons so far and only got 2 items

[safe tundra]

champ gear

on the rotation ones

[fiery fog]

what world boss is up first btw?

[indigo breach]

Only rotation ones give champ gear? So only 4?

[fiery fog]

8

[vale pine]

hmm

[lean sigil]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[vale pine]

crown might be a single target

[lean sigil]

is it not possible to macro Lights potential?

[left ledge]

[vale pine]

ouch

[left ledge]

hof (for plate)

[olive canyon]

so far crown has been pure st really

you just move big add to big add

[vale pine]

crown might be a assa fight?

[olive canyon]

lots of executes

[vale pine]

last phase seems to be extended execute

so ye

[floral karma]

did talents change at all? with nerfs

[olive canyon]

maybe

go full assa st and plough executes could be a play

whilst rotating bleeds on 2 targets where possible

[spiral needle]

are they doing normal or heroic though, mythic prob flips the script

[olive canyon]

normal

[spiral needle]

higher difficulty almost always adds more adds, that are much more important

[ancient gull]

follow up questions i saw on some videos that its only supposed to be good on < 3 targets and only during lust do we know anything more about it?

[wet jacinth]

yo im watching liquid atm. and why do they take 1 outlaw rogue ? id imagine assa/sub would be better for atrophic ? dps wise he is nowhere to be seen so idk what the point is tbh

[olive canyon]

i imagine on mythic these adds need to die fast where sub cds will help but thus far i think i count 3 adds in p1, 2 adds in p2 (1 which hits execute) then you got a long p3 execute

[glacial kraken]

heart targets is my least favourite aoe scenario

[vale pine]

was bad timing

the new optimization is slightly stronger and is not limited to bloodlust

[ancient gull]

even on aoe we fish for the procc then?

[lean sigil]

anyone know if we can macro Lights potential to blades? cant get it to work

[olive canyon]

actually come to think of it, the ease of assa aoe might legit be great here, caustic constantly splatters the shitters, you can bleed 1 to 2 adds throughout

then get executes

[vale pine]

watching streams

it seems like the visuals are a bit hard to read

[spiral needle]

no idea how true it is, but it's said sin has really strong funnel too

[olive canyon]

ive got max and exiled up and if you watch exiled right now

[fair phoenix]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[spiral needle]

safe to say it's a dagger tier either way

[coarse hound]

So we playing Assa in raid? And Sub in M+?

[spiral needle]

there's 3 weeks of tuning

[olive canyon]

i wonder if you even need crimson tempest on this fight - just go without and let caustic do work possibly

[spiral needle]

and we havent seen a mythic fight

who knows man

[vale pine]

we will see

[spiral needle]

we wont even see the hardest boss for 2 more weeks

[olive canyon]

im just bsing what i see, not suggesting its assasination only

[coarse hound]

Yeah. It'll be interesting

[upper narwhal]

unironically an outlaw tier

[olive canyon]

Sub seems fine on pretty much all the fights - although for paladins i have to imagine assa is just better

[spiral needle]

but even on normal we're already seeing fights that punish outlaw with downtime

[karmic harbor]

looks like maybe 2 bosses is for outlaw

[olive canyon]

i think the possible revelation here is that deathstalker gets a lot more play

[spiral needle]

mythic is prob gonna be even worse

[upper narwhal]

DS funnel angle

[olive canyon]

maybe but there is a lot of downtime, where restless blades is not working. might feel real bad

[obsidian surge]

watch me sub the whole tier

[upper narwhal]

ye im gonna start as sub and see but assa stats aren't too far off if i want to swap

[olive canyon]

err this last boss has a fuck tonne of health

[upper narwhal]

ye 6th boss normal looking like a problem

[grand summit]

you think?

[upper narwhal]

am I right that this is tuned as 2nd to last boss?

[olive canyon]

exiled just went deathstalker for this last boss, interesting. possibly really good if you need the st dmg

[olive canyon]

its legit day 1, normal, so its all meaningless takes

[frigid prawn]

@vale pine We want always put 2x sd in sb window right?😄 My sim before used only 1 sd in the 2nd and 3rd blade window, felt like used sd on cooldown. Just want a confirmation so it doesn't confuse me😂

[olive canyon]

im bored and just watching

[vale pine]

yes, 2x dance in blades

[jaunty heath]

i like it tho, the last boss is very cinematic

[vale pine]

reminds me of sylvanas

[karmic harbor]

last phase is pure st and seems to be quite a big dmg check

especially for a normal boss lmao

[upper narwhal]

ye last phase sylv platforms were very similar

[olive canyon]

the whole fight is just bloody st

[jaunty heath]

they hvae lot of helpers who do no dmg too

[olive canyon]

p1 - you go add to add, p2, just sit on add

[upper narwhal]

probably intentional with it being windrunner sisters wow so cool

[olive canyon]

p3 sit on boss

[astral axle]

anyone else have a crush on astalor?

just me?

[olive canyon]

"WHERE DID MY MARK GO"

gonna get used to that thought

[karmic harbor]

death mark is so bad man

[olive canyon]

its fully gone

thats fucking nuts

[fiery fog]

unless assa gets some love i think this last boss will just be a DS sub angle

[olive canyon]

well it was looking good until then

[vale pine]

man

deathstalkers mark is such a joy

[olive canyon]

that would tilt me so hard

[fiery fog]

wouldnt sub just instantly apply it again though

[olive canyon]

no

it wasnt working

[fiery fog]

with dance strikes

[olive canyon]

he tried vanish strike, dance strike

[hazy breach]

No

[olive canyon]

nothing put it up

[jaunty heath]

dark propably stuck on some other target

[fiery fog]

oof

[hazy breach]

Because if you have a mark somewhere else

You cant apply it

[karmic harbor]

there are no other targets in p3

the void ate it

[ancient wyvern]

Classic Mark issues. Sometimes it just disappears forever

[hazy breach]

So if the game thinks you have it on something else

[olive canyon]

it went between platforms

[hazy breach]

You cant apply it

[fiery fog]

thats just nuts

[jaunty heath]

im happy that im not playing DS first week

[fiery fog]

the whole point of the hero tree just bugged

trickster is just more consistent then

imagine having a pull where you could have killed the boss but your mark just decided to go for a smoke midway

and that dmg is missing

[olive canyon]

i mean you could just go fatebound assa...might be p good on that boss

[north schooner]

[muted oriole]

!ape

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[upper narwhal]

p2 aleria looks like Sark p1 kinda

[stuck arrow]

Atleast it happened in normal splits. 😂

[golden thunder]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[golden thunder]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cosmic crescent]

did this change back to being benefical anytime during SD and not only during lust?

[vale pine]

always

[golden thunder]

so we play deathstalker now after the sub changes...

[vale pine]

the video had a bad timing

[cosmic crescent]

perfect ❤️ thank you

[vale pine]

because we found another update to it

[tepid trellis]

in full full single target yes

[vocal rock]

Anyway to not reset final delve boss with vanish if I want to use it for rotation purposes?

[stuck arrow]

It's also not incredibly troll to just not run DS. It's less damage, but you also can't get cucked with -15% DPS when DS inevitably bugs

Kind of a gamble.

[olive canyon]

hope they fix it but given how long bugs exist sometimes...

[forest moss]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[final granite]

Anywhere where I can find explanation on SD + Shuriken macro? Like why? is it cuz ST is off cd so we min max gcds ?

[stuck arrow]

Imo only use DS if it's clear after a few pulls you're in a major DPS check.

[raven maple]

I know sub uses black power with 2 or more targets. Is that still the case in raid?

[chilly dagger]

I just got my second Spark and want to craft a Farstrider's Mercy (Dagger). What are the optimal Stats to choose here? Mastery + Haste?

[jade urchin]

#subtlety-faq message

[final granite]

thanks solo

[harsh gale]

Which m0 dungeons are we farming on the daily lockout for this week?

[pulsar hemlock]

Prob spire for the on use

I lied

[hazy breach]

I mean spire is fine too

Both it and puzzlebox are roughly the same

[near echo]

So we can do those dung on 0s even tho keys aren’t out yet?

[hazy breach]

yes

[pulsar hemlock]

Daily lockout also

[chilly dagger]

Or is it Mastery+Crit rather?

[hazy breach]

Either is fine

[near echo]

Yeah I’m aware of the daily lockout I just didn’t know you could do the season dung til keys come out so that’s awesome to hear

[hazy breach]

But since you probably aint at 700 haste you probably want haste

[pulsar hemlock]

You can always recraft

[lean sigil]

why does this macro not use a potion? #showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Light's Potential

[cloud hazel]

isn't light's potential the pot?

[lean sigil]

it is

[outer cloak]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[near echo]

I think if your using the higher rank one you gotta use the item number instead of the name

[swift tinsel]

time to map gamba

[hollow spear]

Did you test the sectec apex haptics?

[versed fiber]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

not yet

[hazy breach]

I would be very surprised if that was fixed

[swift tinsel]

I partially think its intended

clones not proccing clones

but

[hazy breach]

It's definitely not intended that the big finisher buff doesn't work on the biggest finisher

It should just be 3 clones instead of 2

Like regular sectech clones

[pulsar hemlock]

Clone army

Unholy but make it shadow clones

[near echo]

https://tenor.com/view/mirror-image-gif-22606455

[swift tinsel]

do apex clones just replicate the phys damage of evisc or also the shadowed finishers portion?

[hazy breach]

Physical only

[hollow spear]

Me too, but they managed to implement the changes without hiccups. Who knows what they're capable of...

[vale pine]

don't set your expectations too high

[swift tinsel]

mans out here having expectations in 2026

[buoyant shale]

Is it dance that keeps you in combat and you cant stealth?

[hollow spear]

I won't let you guys cut me off the hopium supply

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel apparently paid to get on right away. Sold dawns for 10k a pop and two enchants for 47k

[swift tinsel]

map gamba dud

ope

[unkempt yarrow]

delve?

[swift tinsel]

ye

got a champ wep and that shitter

[lilac stag]

I haven’t started the delves yet. How are the 11s?

[weak frost]

which is the easiest delve to farm levels

delve levels

[chilly dagger]

Thanks! Does it matter which Darkmoon Sigil Hunt i take? theres one with +5 and one with +15 recipe difficulty?

[edgy viper]

im learning sub and was wondering if you guys had any tips for leveling? idk if its skill issue but mobs always face me so i lose a lot of damage?

[swift tinsel]

I've just done 8s to speedrun but they're a little punchy at 242

granted my valeera is 17

no deaths yet but procced cheat once or twice in the 3 I've done so far

[vale pine]

you can send a dance when moving between quests to get some additional supercharger points banked

[swift tinsel]

so the nemesis is probs out of the question for a bit lol

[chilly dagger]

same question goes for the stat scroll

[swift tinsel]

lmao that trinket is a dps loss for me even at hero track

[radiant schooner]

hey does anyone knows what good reagents buy for the Farstriders Mercy

[lilac stag]

Huh?

[lilac stag]

It makes crafting at r5 easier

[radiant schooner]

the optionals

[lilac stag]

So most crafters want best mats

[chilly dagger]

and best mat is +5 or +15 difficulty?

I would assume its the +5 ones?

[lilac stag]

Complete sentences please

[swift tinsel]

Darkmoon Hunt embellishment

[lilac stag]

+5 for missive and embellishment

[stuck arrow]

The +5s. The +15s make it harder to craft.

[swift tinsel]

and whatever Missive you need stat-wise

[austere canopy]

How’s the aoe faring

[chilly dagger]

It was confusing me, as the Darkmoon +5 is cheaper than the +15 lol! Thanks Scath!

[tacit pike]

Just look at the square next to the Mats small silver = bad/cheap, big gold = good/expensive

[lilac stag]

crafting can be weird / trying to scam

[swift tinsel]

okay so nightmare just needs 4 hard hunts to unlock

ez

[still gazelle]

Bountiful delves only on 8+?

[lilac stag]

Yes

[quaint lodge]

Can somebody explain why we do tihs

Im not getting it

[tacit pike]

more damage

[muted girder]

first delve gave map, 2nd delve got these.. at least they are haste mast. prolly makes second embel choice easy to make on belt

[fair phoenix]

!dg

have the biss list for dungeons?

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[chilly dagger]

How do I do delves as Rogue, should I take Healer/DD/Tank as my AI Partner?

[glass kelp]

Set the hoe to healing and never think about it again

[odd jacinth]

what level of delves are these?

[left ledge]

200K AUTO IS NP

JUST DONT DIE

[hollow compass]

are you holding cds for the adds

cause i cant kill these mfs

[left ledge]

yes

kite hard

[hollow compass]

kk

[left ledge]

and have double dance with blades

for every set

[hollow compass]

do you blades on pull

or just hold it

[left ledge]

yes

[hollow compass]

ok and then wait to phase?

[left ledge]

just hold until you have cds

yea

[hollow compass]

kk

[glass kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/injured-everything-is-fine-thumbs-up-gif-14642579

[left ledge]

my valeera was level 14

or something

[glass kelp]

Long as she keeps slapping the hearts down

Np

[left ledge]

use dance DEFENSIVELY

always have a charge up

i also played elusive

cheat is useless

feint, tank 1-2 hits, pick up heart

use dance for when you're low on hearts and feint

otherwise he just hits too hard, 200k is just ridiculous

conquered

[sharp torrent]

huge

[swift tinsel]

the ol stat stick trinkets are back

[lilac stag]

Root Dropping. Hahah down to 1k

@swift tinsel did you just fire off bountiful as soon as you hit 8?

[swift tinsel]

yeah

I figure I'm not quite ready for 11's today

[faint quail]

also check delve rewa rd guy, 2 free keys

[swift tinsel]

you can get SO many coffer shards

I have the free bag in my bag for next week lol

[faint quail]

ya they made super easy its nice lol

[left copper]

is 1h that much worse than a dagger in OH? i got a 253 axe to drop but it sims 2.3% behidn a 233 dagger

[swift tinsel]

so I can rip 2x insta

[faint quail]

damn u big brain lol

i greeded

[swift tinsel]

dude every drop I'm getting on champ track is a downgrade lol

[lilac stag]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[left copper]

yea didn't realize it wouldn't been even at 20 ilvl different

[modest delta]

any changes to best talents for m+?

or like just dungeons in general

[hollow compass]

dude how are u killing the 25% add

hes just sitting in the fucking middle

[lilac stag]

lol got dagger out of lfr

hello transmog

[left ledge]

i sat on him

had triple dance ready for him

with blades

he's kinda w/e

usually boss is active again before he dies

i just swap to boss and tank them both

dies in the next dance

[bleak night]

OFAOFOA

[lilac stag]

the real question. Did you play deathstalker!?

[left ledge]

for one pull yes

died at 2%

then killed as trickster

deathstalker struggled with first two sets of adds

[west tide]

talents?

[left ledge]

standard ST

just elusive

CUQAByFP3pExAEG41/8+e6b8fDgx2MAAAAAwsMGLTMbbjxMjZwDMzMzYMbjZGbLzMzMzMjBjZ2GAAAAGMGwY2MMwAziWoFbYGwMDmxA

[west tide]

oo ok

[left ledge]

those were my stats too

he's not hard honestly, you just need to get into the flow of threat dropping

[left ledge]

im assuming thats what he did too here

[west tide]

what does defensive shadowdance mean bro

[fiery fog]

how is my vet crest embellishment craft only a 350 dps upgrade
am i doing something wrong lmao

[left ledge]

use it to drop threat

make sure valeera is healer

[bleak night]

yeah

[left ledge]

valeera is basically tanking him most of the time

[bleak night]

fade to drop threat

[west tide]

oh ya what valeera stuff did u use

[bleak night]

was insanely op

[left ledge]

do NOT use

what i used

LMAO

[bleak night]

i used this

[bleak night]

i know the combat curio is bis but idk about utility

[left ledge]

i used these

do NOT use the kris

it did 1% damage

[west tide]

okay nice thanks

[left ledge]

use this one instead probably

[west tide]

how do i even go to unlock the ?? boss

[left ledge]

good shield on a 1.5

tier 11 needs to be unlocked

then you can do it

spam the silvermoon delve

it has these bombs that make the delve go super quick

[west tide]

sweeet fuck this min max for gear i need that

LMAOO

gonna go try

[left ledge]

honestly

i didnt even know it gave crests

[west tide]

maybe i should craft my 2nd embelly

[left ledge]

oh yeah that wouldve been smart for me too

def can have a much easier time than i did

but have to play around threat drop

or else it is actually impossible

[limpid sage]

How does Nullaeus compare to 1st week Kyveza?

[left ledge]

much easier

bran was a piece of shit

[azure mauve]

how many crests does it give?

[vestal prism]

hey guys! best crafting advice for Farstriders Mercy? Which embellishment/stats?

[left ledge]

and kyveza mechanics fucked you over much more

[bleak night]

way easier

[left ledge]

i think like 50 hero and 35 myth?

something like that

[azure mauve]

sheeesh

[bleak night]

but i think they fucked something up

they definitely hotfixed him

and i think the hotfix just giga nerfed him

[left ledge]

in what way

autoing for 200k dont seem nerfed

[bleak night]

he was harder to do on ? than ??

[left ledge]

oh, i never did ?

[bleak night]

and i know it was hotfixed because his cast used to happen faster

it was fast enough i couldnt kick it eveyr time as shadow

[azure mauve]

@bleak night is neo

[bleak night]

but suddenly i could

[azure mauve]

he sees the code

[keen dome]

lol if the hoF fills before EU is up

[bleak night]

its per region

[azure mauve]

isnt it region based

[keen dome]

Okay that's less funny

[azure mauve]

wouldnt make sense if it wasnt

[bleak night]

its absolutely going to be full within an hour or two

its a very easy fight

[azure mauve]

man

[left ledge]

sadly

its mostly gonna be tanks

[azure mauve]

dont even get a chance to get hof

stuck at work

[left ledge]

it is a really stupid system

some specs will just not be able to do it

[bleak night]

yeah

[left ledge]

most specs*

[keen dome]

Yep

Good content design, Blizz.

[left ledge]

if you dont have threat drop, or you're not a tank

dont even bother

[hollow compass]

BOOOOOM

[runic sinew]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[left ledge]

there you go

grats

[hollow compass]

i thought the poop would do more

u just stand in it

it does nothing lol

[left ledge]

ye no you just eat it

lmao

entire hof is gonna be rogues, priests and tanks

[fiery fog]

until they fix it when eu has its reset

grr

[fallow glade]

surely they'll do it like an actual hof where everyone has until next reset to get it

[bleak night]

honestly i kinda swear he scales based on your spec in some way

i think my dk was taking more damage than my priest

[rustic raven]

sub?

[bleak night]

i might just be crazy though

[tulip folio]

okay question gang aproximetly how much dps lose is if u dont minmax apex talants

[hollow compass]

yea

[keen dome]

Delves have scaling depending on armour type

[tulip folio]

aincent arts

[left ledge]

1-3%

depending on hero talents

[keen dome]

So that's absolutely what's happening where cloth users take less damage

[bleak night]

ok that would explain it

yeah he was still hurting but like

my dk walked in and got autoed down to 1 hp instantly

[left ledge]

how much was he autoing you for on priest

[tulip folio]

okay so i ignore it

beacouse myabe im dense

[limpid sage]

How long did the fight take approx? And what dps?

[tulip folio]

but it makes no sense

😄

[keen dome]

I have so much to do tomrorow I won't have time to do it, so I assume i'll just miss my window at even trying lol

[left ledge]

sure if you want to, its not that hard of a condition though

[graceful rock]

Do you just hold blades for the add parts?

[left ledge]

yes

if you dont have dance and blades

run

kite

[bleak night]

probably like 150k or something like that

[tulip folio]

okay ill try to understand it one more time if u want to explain it

[bleak night]

but i wasnt logging and damage meter is dogshit so

no real idea

[left ledge]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[bleak night]

9 minutes, 48k dps

[left ledge]

10:30

~38k dps

[bleak night]

he has 16m hp but goes immune and summons adds

3 times

[limpid sage]

Hmmm

[left ledge]

dps suffers when you have to lose 2 sec every dance to run away

[limpid sage]

How fast do you think HOF fills up?

[left ledge]

prob within a couple hours

[limpid sage]

EU reset is 5 AM…

[left ledge]

EU's hof is separate

[limpid sage]

Yeah

[keen dome]

I imagine it'll be full on EU within a few hours of the servers going up

[bleak night]

better wake up at 5 am

[left ledge]

so yeah

if you're not up at 5 am

[keen dome]

Incredibly dumb system blizz.

[bleak night]

now that people know how easy it is

[left ledge]

you wont get it

[bleak night]

honestly very disappointed

[keen dome]

Yeah, same

Absolutely fucked it.

[limpid sage]

Idk if I even care about it

If its that easy tbh

[bleak night]

it might actually be the worst of all the delve fights so far

[swift tinsel]

are yall getting Famed already

[keen dome]

I wouldn't be too surprised if they extend it to the first reset kills but lol

THey've fucked it pretty hard and making it just available to people who can be up early and get it done on reset

(if you are the right spec)

[stuck arrow]

They usually open it up to first reset if not first day or so.

[west tide]

whats best delve to level

[limpid sage]

Just like RWF pog

[sly shore]

!fuu

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[tulip light]

guys omg omg omg NA is up is rogue good? what do i play? do i reroll insta? do i sell my pc and never touch wow again?

[weary tree]

yes

[left ledge]

silvermoon right now

[west tide]

collegiate?

[left ledge]

yeah

has bombs

very nice to use

[oblique spade]

NA Gang, do we know how many champ crests we're limited to this week?

[left ledge]

took me 2-3 mins per delve tier

[oblique spade]

is it starting at 100?

[west tide]

i muist be donig this wrong

i have to kill lightbloom so manyy

[oblique spade]

nice, starts at 400

big

ty

[keen dome]

I assume Hero start at 100?

[left ledge]

its like 2-3 pulls

yes

all others are 100

[dusky verge]

did you say you got myth crests from ?? and if so are they at /100 now?

[primal surge]

Hello! sorry if this has been asked before. Do we send the second craft already without crests? I believe it's the belt with embelishment, right?

[left ledge]

(hero and myth)

[keen dome]

rad, thanks

[grave flint]

anyone have a video of the delve fight? havenbt seen it yet

[left ledge]

you should all do the delve fight

the hof doesnt matter

but it gives you uncapped crests

30 uncapped myth crests is pretty fkin op

[vale pine]

is the red text default

[left ledge]

no

my epics are red

[granite river]

whats wrong with this image chat

[vale pine]

i don't like the contrast

[swift tinsel]

this brann-ass idiot

[left ledge]

im colorblind

so purple blue etc is annoying af

[vale pine]

nothing, blizz nerfed trickster cleave because it was overperforming, you see how rogue now still whipes the floor with the better classes

[radiant swift]

delve fight?

[vale pine]

just like itended

[left ledge]

on "??" difficulty

gives you a bunch of crests

[radiant swift]

is that up already? or with heroic

[granite river]

ya killing me smalls

[fiery summit]

What’s the non hof title reward

[swift tinsel]

okay yeah that was too easy

first try on ?

[fiery summit]

Feel like it’ll be hard to beat the contract killer title for a rogue

[swift tinsel]

yeah that fight and title was peak

but this one was so boring

plus valeera making it more difficult

tanking the voidcaster in the middle of the shit

[tulip light]

whats the title of the new ?? one?

[radiant swift]

is that with the reset?

[vale pine]

i missed most fights sadly because i had to go afk

[fiery summit]

The title was legit the only reason I did kyveza lmao

[swift tinsel]

lets see if an 18 valeera can keep up on ??

[strong ore]

erratic energies trinket suddenly simming very well?

[stuck arrow]

It literally didn't work before. And they buffed it's proc rate for rogue.

[strong ore]

wow ok cool

[slim gale]

Does the bountiful coffer chest matter for delve tier or is that just for the trover map

[swift tinsel]

you want to open on at least +8 bountiful

[subtle jay]

is sim reliable in terms of crucible trinket?

[chrome palm]

subsisters...

[vale pine]

i mean, its a cleave fight

[hazy breach]

Aint no way sub is not good on the cleave boss

[gilded ferry]

arent all bosses cleave

[vale pine]

was the nerf supposed to make sub that bad?

i felt like the idea of the nerfs stated was to bring things "in line"

just my thoughts

[pulsar hemlock]

In line with the floor

[subtle jay]

u forgot that wow is made by multibillion small indie company

[hexed wave]

nimble change make the sub that bad

[vale pine]

tier set 2p will fix

[stuck arrow]

Hey listen. Sub was op as hell in M0s, ok? Needed to fix that.

[pulsar hemlock]

We're cooked aint we chat

[vale pine]

BP was buffed

[heady garden]

that boss is likely our worst boss

[vale pine]

the aim of the midnight chanegs

was to make subtleties aoe better

while keeping cleave/prio similar

we will see how well that worked out

[heady garden]

wouldnt be surprised if sin is the play on the 3T boss when they get some changes

[olive canyon]

0% chance you play sub on paladins. Just go assa or outlaw and enjoy. Everywhere else sub seems fine

[hexed wave]

and now we have 2 thing pad or st 😄

[safe tundra]

whats the fastest way to get nightmare prey starting from having done no prey at all

[subtle jay]

why tf crucible sims so high

[heady garden]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[chrome palm]

w exile we getting buffed

[pulsar hemlock]

Can't wait for all 3 rogue specsto be left out of the next two scheduled tuning passes.

Shit gonna be so cash money

[hazy breach]

Because now it actually works in sims

(and ingame)

[subtle jay]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jgmm-monkey-think

[spiral steeple]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but I should be holding dance for ST, not the other way around, correct?

[wooden mica]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[olive canyon]

you always want to sectec in dance

[north garnet]

Never secret out of dance

[spiral steeple]

Yeah that's not what I'm asking

[olive canyon]

any idea if there is maintenence on EU announced? or when servers should be live?

[spiral steeple]

I'm asking do I not use dance if ST is coming off cooldown? Like do I hold it so I can ST on cool down?

Or should I hold ST until my next dance comes off CD

Because the cooldowns are staggered

[keen dome]

I think there was, but EU should just be up without issue.

[spiral steeple]

I think hold dance because it has 2 charges

[dire ravine]

Do we dump finality for potent powder?

[fair phoenix]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

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[spiral steeple]

Idk if my question makes any sense

[north garnet]

I get what you are asking but i cant accurately answer

[swift tinsel]

wait so they have you unlock the voidforge now

hmge

[spiral steeple]

I would assume you hold dance because you're not "losing" any cooldown time

But idk how it maths out

[north garnet]

I have been trying to align it as much as possible

[spiral steeple]

That's what I've been doing so far

[mystic juniper]

Why would WoWhead show sin over Sub for raid?

[vale pine]

huh?

if its a tierlist, its likely just an opinion piece

[mystic juniper]

Ah, it is the tierlist

[stoic pawn]

This doesnt work?
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadwstrike

[weary tree]

nope

[stoic pawn]

dafuq?

[stuck arrow]

You're missing an o.

[stoic pawn]

its a bug or intended?

[weary tree]

There's a tiny delay after dance before you can shadowstrike

So a macro wont work

[limpid sage]

Your intuition is right

[weary tree]

You have to press the key twice no matter what

[stuck arrow]

It'll work if you double tap it.

[raw wadi]

hello fuu,
is it veiltouched or 2 points finality?
I guess im still using the talents pinned here.
But your sims say veiltouched and 1 point of finality (your sims in the sheet)

[limpid sage]

No need to sacrifice Sectec cd

[celest ice]

shouldnt you SecTech anyway first in dance?

[weary tree]

yep

[stuck arrow]

But you have to spell dance right. 😂

Although you should either be SecTec first on trickster or shuriken first on DS.

I do use a macro like that for open world shenanigans though TBH.

[stoic pawn]

why shuriken? on ds?

[weary tree]

Because you want to start on low combo points, and dont want to waste any time

And since you cant shadowstrike, that's the best alternative

[raw wadi]

because of the internal ?buggy? gcd where you have a short downtime between dance and sthadowstrike

[west tide]

my valeera keep dyin bro

[stuck arrow]

It's complicated. It's about getting around premed bug and not losing a gcd.

[raw wadi]

class fantasy

[stuck arrow]

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[tidal meadow]

Does anyone have a nice layout that is simplisitc yet shows everything i need?

[vale arch]

which enchant are you guys going for? sim says acuity of rendorei for sub - but does it matter in terms of rotating to other specs?

[young harness]

how much haste do we want

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[strange chasm]

sin is doing way more than sub

guess the cleave does matter

[lilac stag]

ya’ll never listen

[alpine wraith]

ok back from the nap did anyone from NA check if seasonal epic bg win still in to craft the pvp items?

[visual heath]

!fuu

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[olive canyon]

what are you looking at? not saying youre wrong just wanting to know

[limber folio]

lads

we are 21 people in our roster

surely im the 21st man

[weary tree]

Free benchwarmer

[stuck arrow]

Well, do you do big deeps or no?

[limber folio]

i simmed like 56k with enchants and gems

and i havent bought either yet

[heady garden]

Is the vessel trinket actually good for us then

[stuck arrow]

Yes

It was not working in Sims. And just got buffed for rogue.

[alpine wraith]

remember to use the console thingy to get the talents too

[stuck arrow]

Yeah, or sim it without the research unlocked.

[celest mulch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[heady garden]

Ah I meant the Vessel of Tortured souls

[stuck arrow]

Ah. I wouldn't use that one personally.

[alpine wraith]

ah yea though you talked about the crucible

[modest delta]

so DS is the new recommended ST build for sub?

[alpine wraith]

i dont recommend it but it is more st in theory

[hollow spear]

It's a clear hell no

The difference doesn't warrant the amount of aneurysms I'll get from marks randomly going on a vacation

[modest delta]

why don't you recommend

[shrewd lantern]

You just got to convince yourself

the chance of being parried is worth more than 3k dps

[mortal skiff]

any idea how good Void Execution Mandate (trinket) is?

[shrewd lantern]

its a good 2min trinket

but you cant get it past vet

and you're not a 2min class so

[narrow shadow]

Well, the class not necessarily

[mortal skiff]

i mean my alternative is Eye of the drowning void

is there anywhere i can check these trinkets? Or are they so bad theyre not even listed? :D

[sick jackal]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hollow spear]

What about simming yourself

[chilly dagger]

When im at 10% Haste, do I prefer a Haste+Crit Item over a Mastery+Vers Item?

debating on which necklace from the ZulAman Renown I should take 😮

[harsh gale]

is there any pin to what our second craft is

[shrewd lantern]

why would they list trinkets that cap out at 250

[bronze terrace]

two questions guys, what build to use on cleave target in raid? i use the m+ build? and second question is should i craft the weapon today or tomorrow after restet? is it any difference?

[fading whale]

no difference

just wait myth crests

for recraft

[shrewd lantern]

its jus "weak slot"

[fading whale]

dont do it with hero crests

[shrewd lantern]

whatever that is for you

[stuck arrow]

Or the chance of losing 15% DPS isn't worth 3k DPS.

[shrewd lantern]

the sweaty option is to make 259 pvp wrists or belt with a socket

from honor+heliotropes

[faint hemlock]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[faint gorge]

what is our first craft looking like? weapon?

[safe tundra]

what should i craft using the first 4 sparks

[safe tundra]

yea this

[still gazelle]

How hard is he?

[supple verge]

tricks onto valeera as healer

and its easy

[arctic heart]

how d we simm for raid? 5 patchwerk?

[radiant swift]

is this rhe delf?

[supple verge]

yea

[still gazelle]

Any reccomended curios?

[swift tinsel]

yes, that is Valeera madly stabbing a dead body

[still gazelle]

What items on Valeera?

[supple verge]

io just took whatever]

you just tricks her and hope she doesnt die

[vale hull]

will they do another balance classes during this week and before mythic raid ?

[visual heath]

Which 246 pieces are recommended to craft?

[stuck arrow]

They said they would. Yeah.

Supposedly multiple before mythic release.

[oak grotto]

Do you wanna cast one Shuriken storm to build CP even in ST as Deathstalker? I'm thinking about the macro, or is that only for AoE?

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq message

[north garnet]

Woah gratz

[supple verge]

ngl its kinda cheese

they made valeera immortal as healer

and perma tricksing her means you just get an immortal tank

[faint gorge]

what embellishment do we want on our weapon?

[limber folio]

wboss up on EU

[calm cloud]

was that tier 11 ?

[supple verge]

no thats the ?? boss

[shrewd lantern]

oh yeah i kind of noticed this with how i'd pull half the delve onto valeera and she'd still take a hot minute to die

kind of funny you get myth crests for ??

[limber folio]

we got fooked

[shrewd lantern]

Looks like you're a warrior main now buddy.

[limber folio]

i dont have it leveled up

[fiery fog]

i mean its alright

[limber folio]

: (

[fiery fog]

at least i can get another wb item tomorrow kekw

[spiral steeple]

When I see stuff like bifurcation band from magisters terrace, is that something that drops on heroic or should I just be doing the highest possible mythic tier?

Idk how to get mythic track items

[shrewd lantern]

gonna pretend i know what that is

[spiral steeple]

Sorry I'm sure it's a noob question

[shrewd lantern]

If it's a seasonal dungeon, the only way to get m+ items on myth track is from the weekly vault.

[spiral steeple]

Ah ok so I should be looking for these items in the vault? I'm not 100% sure how that works either lol

[warm marlin]

👿

[limpid sage]

or tokens at the halfway point of the season

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hackerman-gif-13247933

[finite crow]

Are we spending veteran crests?

[limber folio]

apparently

you can actually get more than 1 per acc

[half sail]

F

[shrewd lantern]

i mean chasing for one specific item is stupid because there is no true "bis"

outside of the few overtuned trinkets of some tiers

[shrewd lantern]

offspec lmao

[supple verge]

this thing is p cool

[warm marlin]

what a joke compared to kyveza

pretty sure you could unbind all your buttons but kick and just tricks valeera and she solos the fight

[calm cloud]

realy want to try him but no reset for the next 6 hours 🛌

[still gazelle]

My Valeera is only level 20, but she dies occasionally.

Not sure how to handle that.

[warm marlin]

mine was level 18

[still gazelle]

How'd you keep her up?

[warm marlin]

she legit stood in every mechanic and just vibed

[sour void]

What ilvl where you two @warm marlin @supple verge ?

[warm marlin]

died once when i couldnt kill the first add set fast enough and she tanked them in the gunk

[still gazelle]

Mine would get AA'ed down lol

[calm cloud]

whats the fastest way for tier ??, just rush any delv to 10 then do him 11 and then ?? ?

[warm marlin]

idk i did shadowpoint

[warm marlin]

245

again tho u just need to focus adds and do the kick

shes very very tanky

[flint sundial]

what do you do about her tanking adds in goop?

[supple verge]

237 or something

[muted girder]

are you just full aoe the add sets ? or just sending evisc into each

[arctic heart]

valeera tank?

[warm marlin]

after the first time i pressed feint and stood in it

barely does damage

[warm marlin]

no healer

[supple verge]

you just tricks valeera and the fight doesnt really do anything

you can stand in the puddle

it does 0 dmg

[warm marlin]

ye

[supple verge]

i pulled the boss up the stairs sorta

[warm marlin]

and shes just giving you 100k absorbs nonstop too

[supple verge]

and collected hearts

but thats about it

also way worse fight than kyveza

that took me like 180 tries and this took 4

[limpid sage]

Kyveza was a banger

[warm marlin]

kyveza was fire

[limpid sage]

I wish they’d make more solo content like that

[supple verge]

my warrior buddy literally 1 shot this fight

[warm marlin]

i also first tryed it tricksing her

pretty sad compared to how good kyveza was

[limpid sage]

Oh only 11?

How long has it been up

[supple verge]

yea i guess 10 other people logged on faster lol

[limpid sage]

Ya or spammed a faster delve

[warm marlin]

where is this page

[calm cloud]

i think collage or pit ar the fastest

[limpid sage]

Ya pit gotta be fastest

[calm cloud]

depends on which collage you get i think

[limpid sage]

Or maybe it’s deceptively fast because it’s the same area the entire time

[calm cloud]

if you have the one where you have to reveal ppl you can clear that in like 2 min

collegiate*

[limpid sage]

Collage is which one again

[calm cloud]

the one in silvermoon

[limpid sage]

Oh I find that one to take a long ass time