subtlety

[swift tinsel]

I have a whole system lol

[craggy eagle]

random question but, in those intervals where i dont have any shadow dances and i have sec tech up should i still use it?> or wait the 5 6 seconds till i have sd up?

[swift tinsel]

I pretty much never use augment runes but got them from first-craft-bonus patron orders lol

[bleak night]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

or if they had the mats for me

[bleak night]

Ive got some from that and from healer call to arms

[swift tinsel]

ones asking for Roots or Nocturnal Lotus can fuck off lol

[bleak night]

So if they spike im just gonna dump them

[swift tinsel]

oh yeah I think I got a few from that too

was dabbling on holy priest in dungeons for a bit and its odd but good lol

[bleak night]

Every fucking order that gives me knowledge atm is either a cauldron or r2 flasks

So I have to spend conc

[swift tinsel]

SAME

its so maddening lol

[fresh portal]

Hi. So just tryin to make sure I understand this optimization

"As Trickster :Trickster: on all target counts: Try to ensure that you always have :ancientarts: active for your supercharged non-Secret Technique Finisher during :ShadowDance:. (This can mean using :ShadowStrike: at full CP to activate it)"

So basically, if we have a super charged CP, we want to make sure we are using a non-sec tech finished (coup/evis/black powder) with the apex talent triggered (the black bars) on the super charged CP? If we have a super charged CP but no apex, we then would have to use SS to proc our apex and then use the finisher.

[swift tinsel]

and I burn all mine on light's potential but now I have to bank it for potion cauldron bc it takes like...700 concentration even with max mats

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

I have maxed potion tree for light potions but need more in the general alchemy tree

which is like 40 more skill points

and have max rank blue Tools/Accessories

[bleak night]

Yeah same with me for flasks

Need like 38 points before I can do r2

[honest void]

based cuh

[bleak night]

And every point between then and now does nothing

[swift tinsel]

I also have a swappable Tool, one with Resourcefulness stat and enchant and one with Multicraft stat and enchant lol

[honest void]

wait i thought 15 was the cap?

[bleak night]

I think it was 45

[swift tinsel]

so I can use the res one for crafting orders for free mats and the multicraft one for when I wanna batch stuff

[bleak night]

But i didnt get that far

[swift tinsel]

I could have sworn they capped her at 30

googles

[bleak night]

Maybe it was

And I just chose the best possible time to give up

[honest void]

damn so i defo need to level her ass now

[swift tinsel]

nvm its 45

[honest void]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wire-shit-oh-shit-not-good-gif-4207852

[swift tinsel]

man I slacked so fucking hard lol but its fine I'm a delve machine and now that we get bountiful imma be running them so fucking hard

[honest void]

how long you think it'll take to get 30 xp levels xd

[swift tinsel]

maybe like 12 minutes

jk jk if I really go for it maybe a day or two

I usually max the delver's journey thing really fast unless they gate parts of it

[cosmic dust]

Why do we want her on 45?

[bleak night]

My only real hope for getting the hof is it not closing until reset

[swift tinsel]

her curios scale

[honest void]

because she is useful

[bleak night]

Otherwise I dont think its realistic for me

[honest void]

the more levels she has

[sleek socket]

Farstrider's Mercy worth to buy?

[swift tinsel]

I'm fully expecting it to close within the first day or two

[bleak night]

I expect it to reach enough people to close yeah

[swift tinsel]

4000 people doesn't really seem like that many per region

[honest void]

in EU that thing is closer early for sure

[bleak night]

But doesnt raid hof not close until the following reset after it has enough guilds

Thats my cope for this too

[swift tinsel]

maybe?

[honest void]

cause NA will show the strats on the fight

[swift tinsel]

yeah

global release delve nemesis when

[honest void]

so I got work to do xd

[swift tinsel]

can't wait to watch tettles die to it 200 times

[bleak night]

Tettles killing kyveza is unironically what forced me to go back and do her week 1

I gave her a few tries then left

But then he killed and I couldn't lose to a boomkin

[cosmic dust]

Do you need any progress for the maps in delves to get hero items next reset?

[swift tinsel]

oh shit Gilded stashes start from Journey level 2

oh nvm myth crests aren't til level 4

ngl this one sounds pretty nice

also level 9 giving bountiful coffers a chance to drop hero track sounds real nice for alts

[bleak night]

I havent actually looked at delves journey

Does it happen to mention cosmetic daggers anywhere

[swift tinsel]

I haven't either until just now, I kinda like it

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

nah not that I saw

[bleak night]

Next season surely

[swift tinsel]

maybe its like Brann's hat and we gotta do the nemesis

then again wasn't listed in the rewards in the article about it

so idk

[honest void]

tbf doing a tier 10 delve tmrw will tell me if i'm rdy or not for the boss xd

[swift tinsel]

lol I know I'm not but I'm gonna give it the ol' college try a few times

will be a race to see if I get auto'd to death like yall said

[bleak night]

Yeah thats my main concern

If its just a skill check I think i can do it day 1 given enough time

But with us being in shitty s1 preraid gear

It might just stat check people who aren't tanks

[honest void]

yeah cause ky'veza was s3

so u still had some stats and stuff

[hollow locust]

is the double builder thing in lust still real? the sim doesn't seem to be doing it

[honest void]

stat checking is sadge cause ur basically forced to use a tank or tank class

[honest void]

in dance in general i believe

[hollow locust]

so even out of lust?

[wide shale]

Also - we dont empower sec tech? I didn't know this. Can someone explain?

[fiery fog]

because it only amplifies the physical dmg part of sectec which is pretty low i think (if you talk about apex talent)

[lilac stag]

You empower it with dance / supercharger. AA did next to nothing so just ignore it with ST

[wide shale]

perfect. good to know. I did not know this. =]

[fresh portal]

can I build on the question above - so do we only double builder to use an apex finisher on a super charger cp (not sec tech though)?

[hallow matrix]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[hallow matrix]

Has the ONLY IN LUST change been ditched?

[calm cloud]

jo

[hollow locust]

so if im trickster: its only for supercharge, which most of the time is going on ST, so we would ignore it most of the time except for like the 2nd dance in blades?

[fiery fog]

ideally (right now) you would do it on every supercharged finisher

so basicly the first two finisher after a dance

or 4 if you supercharge pre pull

[hallow matrix]

providing it's not sectec^

[hollow locust]

ah yeah ofc it has charges

okay, tyty!

tis silly

[fiery fog]

is there really a time where you have the apex outside of dance

before a sectec

[calm cloud]

aoe with vanish maybe?

[sage ivy]

does the sim not prepull sd for supercharger? should affect opener a lot for trickster no?

[hallow matrix]

Do you need to play around pooling SHT stacks pre dance? or does it just natty workout having enough for the second finisher of a dance?

[fiery fog]

you can stop using finishers a few seconds before sectec comes up to get more sht stacks

[silk fiber]

Imma be real I think i do the delves boss on my monk healer i feel invincible on the damn thing and do like 30k single target which isnt crazy but if its chip damage then I'll never die, if its one shots though gonna have to try on the rogue

[grand wyvern]

in a 5 min sim my guess is it barely matters

[sage ivy]

yeah for dmg it shouldnt matter much. the custom apl used in fuus spreadsheet actually does start with 2 superchargers i noticed now

[fiery fog]

thats honestly just minmax

its 2 supercharged finishers more in the whole fight

[cinder zenith]

The X2 Shadowstrike doesn't show up on my SIM like it does for you. Why is that?

[fiery fog]

your sim probably didnt hit 5sht stacks

i guess

[indigo wraith]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[ionic star]

do anyone knows why the cooldown of secret technique is different between deathstalker and trickster?

[sage ivy]

this text explains it

[cinder zenith]

oh that it jaja ty

[sage ivy]

no problem perfecto from echo esports

[cinder zenith]

https://giphy.com/gifs/arg-l2Sq5GffrCyUMEXjW

[exotic steeple]

Why do we not open backstab>evis(SnD)>vanish>backstab and proceed

On the wowhead rotation for ST

Or does it not matter since we will evis after seq tech anyways

And its a wasted vanish or?

[graceful rock]

There’s a node in the hero tree for trickster that reduces the cooldown by like 10%

[tribal vortex]

they are the same whether you go for snd or not

[ionic star]

got it, thanks

[tribal vortex]

and it's better to keep vanish for some mechanic

or mobility

[fiery fog]

imo its more fluent to just get into dance asap in the opener and use vanish after your second dance is over

[tribal vortex]

it's also kinda muscle memory

so whatever suits you

[cinder zenith]

sou Here i have to x2shadostrike ?

[fiery fog]

no you sectec

[cinder zenith]

well ye

i mean the next cast

[fiery fog]

depends on if you have 5 sht stacks or not

[tribal vortex]

also it is better to use the dance sectec macro, so you dont waste seconds of blades and dance

[subtle pine]

Does anyone have a rogue macro video they can send me?

[chilly dagger]

Is there situations where we enter Dance without 5 or more cp for sectec?

[fiery fog]

when playing deathstalker

[tribal vortex]

for trickster you want to enter dance with 6-7 and as DS with 0

[fiery fog]

you want to dance+storm at low cp

[wind willow]

That sim picture already has ancient arts so it doesnt need to double shadowstrike.

[cinder zenith]

but i have a supercharged proc*

its not the mandatory condition?

[cinder zenith]

.

[crystal bone]

any knowers for quickest delve for us to run when servers are up?

blast those t8's real quick

[fiery fog]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[tribal vortex]

where is the AA proc ?

[chilly dagger]

So basically we have a dance+sectec macro, or a dance+Shuriken storm macro? Ewww hate using 2-3 buttons for the same cast basically🤣

[cinder zenith]

here yes? no? supercharged proc x2 shadowstrike

[hollow locust]

does anyone have a number on how much this AA fuckery actually contributes dps wise?

[fiery fog]

you only use one of them depending on if you play trickster or deathstalker

[crystal bone]

1% on trickster, 3.5% on deathstalker

[fiery fog]

1.5% or something i believe

[tribal vortex]

what I have done is for trickster i have one dance and one dance sectec ( and i dont even have naked sec tec) so not really any more buttons

[chilly dagger]

Ahh so in Trickster we use dance+sectec always while entering 6-7 cps and on Deathstalker we use the dance+ss macro cuz entering with 0 basically

[chilly dagger]

What do you use the pure dance for? Small pulls?

[torpid echo]

I use dance+storm when I use 2nd dance inside SB

[tribal vortex]

aaaah yeah thought you were talking about the ss from in game my bad

[torpid echo]

not sure if a good idea tho xD

[hollow locust]

are we actually going DS on these fights? is it like just vor?

[tribal vortex]

practically nothing, i do for open world also maybe a pull ending it could be useful. Also 2nd dance in SB but it can work with the macro too.

[subtle pine]

What is sectec?

[slender kraken]

like 2-3 fights maybe

[fiery fog]

i have a normal dance to extend the shadowblades dance
an opener dance with everything (sectec, dance, blades, pot, trinket)
and sectec+dance for non shadowblades casts

[crude radish]

Secret Techniques finisher

[subtle pine]

Ty

[tribal vortex]

having one with SB and dance sec tec together is not correct on paper. You miss the bonus of trinkets etc

You need to cast dance like 0.25 after trinket otherwise it doesn't benefit from dance

[fiery fog]

depends on trinket yeah
on one of my alts i have the feather and use it separately before that

[tribal vortex]

Yeah ok , I find it easier pressing sb then sec tec 2 dif buttons

but to each their own

[swift tinsel]

after playing so much trickster tried ds st and it felt unnatural and gross

0 stars

[hollow locust]

yeah im wondering where it'll be played this week at least

[chilly dagger]

Do you think well get invites in pugs as rogue this season? I am a bit afraid 🙁

[lilac stag]

ilvl = pug invites

are we going to be meta? doubtful

[vestal relic]

for the start of the season sure after that it gets harder imo

[fiery fog]

then you gotta convince with rio

[lilac stag]

depends on what you're doing. ilvl >>> anything for weekly vault. if you're pushing title, get out of lfg and make friends

[mighty citrus]

iam testing a bit: finding myself in this situation quite often, after i consumed 2 dances in blades. i try not to use dance, if blades comes up within the next 10 secs, still ending up having st up and no dance charge.

is this just how it goes or am i doing something wrong

[lilac stag]

your haste is off, youre not using the 3 dance after blades or youre fucking up something along the way.

you're asking us to make a lot of assuptions without logs

[mighty citrus]

i know i know. its really basic at this point. just started hitting a dummy, this directly happens after i used dance + st AFTER my 2nd blades are finished.

[iron whale]

why 1pt in finalty is better than The rotten?

[ionic star]

Do anyone knows why the cooldown of secret technique is different between deathstalker and trickster?

[tribal vortex]

talent in trickster tree i think

[mighty citrus]

having around 12% haste though. ilvl 245

[quick marlin]

how much do you guys sim after upgrades

[gentle temple]

Do we use silent storm in ST? I can't see any info about it in the guides

[formal raven]

I just read the wowhead guide and it told me we don't to empore secret technique because of how it interacts with the Apex Talents. I don't really get why we don't

[fiery fog]

iirc it only affects the physical part of sectec which is pretty low

[vale pine]

^ this

most of the damage of secret is in the clone attacks

[wild vine]

No pressure or anything, but did you by chance already resim trinkets?

[stable plume]

Real talk do you think the only reason trickster isn’t the same or better dps st as deathstalker is due to the 1.2s hard gcd of coup that means we’re missing several gcds by the end of a 5m sim?

[formal raven]

Thanks a lot for the clarification

[stable plume]

Does that mean we’re still using the /cancelaura before secret technique?

[plush roost]

Not even remotely the reason no

[vale pine]

it seems like to follow pmuch what we had before, vessel sims rly good now tho you need to collect the souls

[vale pine]

nope

no more cancleaura

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[vale pine]

^ basically this

[wild vine]

Is current gear Gaze?

[stable plume]

Ancient arts is the black proc, correct?

[plush roost]

Ye

[vale pine]

yes

[fiery fog]

btw for how many targets does the apex optimisation account for

1-5?

[vale pine]

gaze is still bis/best raid passive

but its like

plumage is rly close

[mortal skiff]

imagine a weakaura which glows around shadow strike when all these criteria are met

[vale pine]

even if you accidentally use the wrong one

it does not matter

[plush roost]

1-3 strike apex stuff is fine. Anything more just play normal

[vale pine]

(the trinket is passive, you can switch between the versions when you use it outside of combat)

[vale pine]

think @steel zinc has something to help with it integrated in his addon

[wild vine]

Does cleave/multi target favor plume or Gaze? If you remember

Or dslice for that matter

[swift tinsel]

trying to see the Vessel spirit orbs will be fun in raid

[steel zinc]

That kinda works and also doesnt. So the issue is that shadow tech is fully locked down by blizzard so yes you can add that but its best guess

[swift tinsel]

(I'm a plume believer fuck vessel)

[wild vine]

I have that one from M0 and its a pain ngl

[swift tinsel]

same

they have a spawn animation which is okay

you can game it a little and not pick them up to stack some for dance/blades

and they ironfur

[bleak night]

they made the souls a lot more visible too

[swift tinsel]

so you can get rng'd

did they?

[bleak night]

than what they originally were

yeah

[swift tinsel]

hm

[bleak night]

they used to be super tiny little orbs

[swift tinsel]

maybe dial it up a lillll bit more lol

[bleak night]

someone just got automodded

[fiery fog]

its transmitter all over again

[sick dagger]

Are trinkets simming correctly? I thought Ranger General Insignia trinket was bad, but it sims so much better than Light Company Guidon?

[swift tinsel]

I have particle density/spell stuff turned to max and they could still use a bit of a bigger visual indicator

maybe I'm just cooked lol

[lilac stag]

You have to look at the simc github to see what is / isn’t inplemented

[swift tinsel]

officially unc status

wait can you sim Vessel spirit stacking for dance?

[lilac stag]

Welcome to being old

[vale pine]

vessel should be better than it

vessel/plumage

[gentle temple]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[vale pine]

likely want to use it with puzzle box

or we use the haste trinket too

[swift tinsel]

is it possible to make a call in simc to let Vessel orbs accumulate X seconds before dance or blades?

[bleak night]

its definitely still hard to see

it just was somehow even harder to see before

[fiery fog]

man i love standing still for 2 seconds to use a trinket

[swift tinsel]

the spawning of them is rng

[lilac stag]

use the pvp trinket instead

[vale pine]

you would need to change the simc code to hack it in, but vessle is even good as is

so you can "optimize" it if you want

more

[swift tinsel]

hmm

bc they have a very long duration

1min iirc

[vale pine]

but its already simming as one if not the best

[swift tinsel]

I'll have to double check how long they persist on the floor

bc maybe you gather them for big add spawns etc

[vale pine]

let me know when you checked, i thought it was shorter than a minute

[swift tinsel]

NA maintenance rn

for at least 4 hours

[astral mountain]

Is this solely for st?

[vale pine]

oh

[swift tinsel]

so maybe EU chad can check?

bc that would be good to know

[vale pine]

always, tho on deathstalker not that relevant on 4+ targets

[swift tinsel]

I wanna say its max like

20-30sec

[vale pine]

i need to see if i have the trinket

moment

[formal raven]

I also had another question come up if anyone would be so kind and enlighten me:
We want to proc Coup with AA that much I get. My question would be if it's better to always proc another instance of AA during Shadow Dance or just use two finishers "back to back" (if you get full combopoints from AA).

[swift tinsel]

I would assume any track trinket would have the same duration of floor persistence

[vale pine]

ye, but its hard to test it without owning the trinket ^^

[astral mountain]

So shadow strike is always more damage then ss & bp until proc? I’m sorry I may be misunderstanding

[swift tinsel]

truuuue lol

maybe alpha/beta are up

moment

[steel sierra]

@vale pine Can I get your opinion on this at your leisure? Been bugging me

[vale pine]

ye...

[gentle temple]

Do we also SS even if we are not going to be able to fit 2 eviscerates on shadow dance or even 1?

[vale pine]

whats the question

[vale pine]

yes

[gentle temple]

Thats so weird lol

[hazy lichen]

Are there any such things as a sub rogue gearing guide

[heady dragon]

what is the bag trinket on the left? is it BiS

[steel sierra]

In that sim I have 726 haste, per stat weights it has haste simming significantly lower than everything, even vers, yet top gear wants me still wearing haste gear over non-haste gear of the same ilvl and armor slot.

[hallow matrix]

which is your addon?

[stable plume]

Follow your sims then when like maxed iLVL you can try to convert to pure BiS gear if your stats are weird

[lilac stag]

Percents mean nothing. You need 684-700 haste to comfortably make the timings work.

[steel zinc]

Midnight Simple Unitframes

[mighty citrus]

ând without that haste, things will never align? i apparently was under the misconception, that we want to cover the 2 st in blades thingy

but apparently there is more to it

[finite hedge]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[bleak night]

i'd assume it follows the same rules as normal hof titles

[swift tinsel]

where would I find the trinket info for this? i.e. the name of the spirit to make an actions+=/pickup

[hollow spear]

Are you talking about

[swift tinsel]

yeah!

[hollow spear]

it's there for like 10s

not more

[swift tinsel]

oh shit

that's quite short lol

[hallow matrix]

I just looked it up and i don't see anything to do with the AA conditioning - I don't really want another unit frame addon, is it modular to the point i could just use that part?

[void ocean]

do we rly make this decision in real time without WA for the period of one gcd? 😄

[supple pawn]

Alright, thanks. Trying to decide if maybe sub would be better than my main to do it on because I have to level up my delves first too (I forgot tbh(

Still at tier 4 delves 😭

[steel zinc]

Nah take it or leave it xD I wont make it into different addons

[stuck arrow]

Yes.

[golden totem]

Everything besides sht stacks is predictable

[bleak night]

my main this season is spriest, which im willing to bet is just turbo fucked out of any chance at doing it

so im just gonna try it on rogue lmao

[plush roost]

I can tell ya solo content like that as rogue is usually difficult

Not much sustain

[golden totem]

Also you can kinda predict sht stacks too

[plush roost]

Maybe valeera carries

[bleak night]

gotta have that blood dk ready

just in case

valeera healing is pretty op

[hallow matrix]

Fair i don't blame you lmao - how does it display that info?

[plush roost]

Its not even the mechanics usually

[supple pawn]

Ah? Alright. I just figured this would be better as rogue because shadowblades strong. My main is like 100% sustained haha

[bleak night]

just white hits

yeah

[plush roost]

Its just white swings lnfao

[stable plume]

In delves If you stand on healing pots you can’t die if you just don’t pull big

[left ledge]

Ye I’m not even bothering these people are leveling Valeera to 45 and are playing classes that can live

[supple pawn]

Ah, yeah I also haven't leveled her up yet 😭 🙏

[vale pine]

What would you expect from a gearing guide?

• Craft weapon with hunt embellishment
• Get 4p
• Try to get your hands on the trinket from first boss and a decent passive trinket
• Get highest item level in each slot (preferably without vers)
• Craft whatever slot of the low stat budgets is best after raid with 2nd embellishment

[left ledge]

Kyveza killed me from just white hits every time

Was not fun

[bleak night]

i didnt have that issue on kyveza

but was full mythic bis

[left ledge]

Yeah maybe you did her like

Weeks later

[bleak night]

no

week 1

as assa

[plush roost]

Brann always dropped potions during the suck for me

[supple pawn]

I needed a WA to track the pots tbh

[plush roost]

Which was the only scary damage parts

[bleak night]

yeah

[plush roost]

W kyveza encounter

[lilac stag]

They won’t. You’re likely losing a Sectech in x amount of time.

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.

[bleak night]

only part that was fucked was when brann would suicide mid suck

[left ledge]

She was autoing me during her casts

And my bran always stood in a portal

[hollow spear]

that visual might also be quite annoying

[lilac stag]

did you enjoy it?

[left ledge]

No

It was dogshit

So I’m not bothering with this new delve thing

[swift tinsel]

yeah its slightly better than before but still will get lost in the visual noise

[plush roost]

Bro i swear that trinket is sim bait

[vale pine]

Trinket options in the sim are documented on the wiki -> https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/ExpansionOptions
if you want very specific changes else, you need to go through the code and change it -> https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc

[hollow spear]

I will not play it

[vale pine]

should use it ^^

[swift tinsel]

thank youuuuu ❤️

[lilac stag]

Are you ready for our void trinket to be fixed?

[left ledge]

Is that thing even good

[lilac stag]

now it’ll proc off crimson vile

[left ledge]

The console upgrades seem to be only open world?

[lilac stag]

For the specs it worked on, yes

[left ledge]

Oh

It didn’t work on ours?

[lilac stag]

[stuck arrow]

😂

[plush roost]

It seems very good

[lilac stag]

I think it was maybe working on outlaw SS

[plush roost]

If it procs

[steel zinc]

Basic logic at its core it tracks when you leave combat and counts down

And some more gateways to make it more accurate

[plush roost]

It worked off assa dots 8)

[lilac stag]

imagine specing assa 8)

[steel zinc]

And for this it just tracks some basic stuff its not really super accurate

[plush roost]

It procced on sub btw

Just not in sims

[lilac stag]

I think most I ever saw was 10

[plush roost]

I am pretty sure this trinket is insanely strong if u like crit, 30% uptime can go wild, i dont have the proc rate upgrade either

Esp if its fixed

[brisk onyx]

for me

3hrs ago

[lilac stag]

I’m gonna head there first and get the 4th unlock

so all the dps parts are done then will test

[spring veldt]

the trinket upgrades work in instance?

[finite hedge]

I don't think so?

[brisk onyx]

it works

[stuck arrow]

We tested it, it works in instances.

[plush roost]

Holy

[stuck arrow]

Seems to just work all the time.

[finite hedge]

wtf

interesting

[bleak night]

insane uptime

[lilac stag]

Which 3 upgrades did you do?

[swift tinsel]

hm no unique gear actions for midnight

[brisk onyx]

all 3

[swift tinsel]

in wiki

[bleak night]

theres only 3 that effect it

i was dumb and started going down the middle

[stuck arrow]

Got damn. Maybe hidden pre-raid bis tbh.

[bleak night]

but i grab the last one this week

[lilac stag]

ye

[upper hemlock]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[lilac stag]

I upgraded and didn’t test. Figured wait until today

[finite hedge]

yeah I upgraded the wrong thing too. SHould be able to finish it today though

that's crazy I thought it was a world thing

[void ocean]

i understand this but if u throw smth like mythic boss mechanics on top, isnt it gonna feel a bit overwhelming... i had a feel blizz wants to remove this kind of optimizations

[lilac stag]

unless you did defense systems there’s no wrong thing

[dark iris]

Hello, what trinkets are worth playing with now? Some examples please?

[lilac stag]

Hello, sim the gear in your bags and use those.

Otherwise look at guides for suggestions in and out of raid

[hazy lichen]

ty and also i have a question wdym bye craft whatever slot of the low stat budget?

[swift tinsel]

was also checking the Spreadsheet that has if everything is NYI/In Beta/Implemented, if it says In Beta does that mean its in Mimiron and not live Raidbots?

[hallow matrix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oi2CT8h4XDqhrEDi3DZjgm - Isn't the feather trinket meant to be one of our best picks? can someone explain why libram/crucible are outsimming?

[lilac stag]

• Void Trinket Fixed
• stonks 📈
  coming up purple today. 💜

[left ledge]

Because our best trinkets are based off seasonal available trinkets

At high ilvls

[lilac stag]

and tier

[fleet acorn]

why does everyone craft alrdy? i will do tomorrow all content with m0 clear and then see what i should craft??

[lilac stag]

the 4 seconds of blades matters

[left ledge]

The 4 sec of blades is an extra sectec

Pogu

[shadow lance]

Fixed > Pinged messages

[lilac stag]

which makes feather good

[hazy lichen]

is m0 gonna be spammable tomorrow

[left ledge]

No

Daily

[hazy lichen]

wtf

oh ok

ty

[lilac stag]

@left ledge are you ready to have fun in raid?

[left ledge]

Idk man

Idek what the bosses are

[hallow matrix]

okay thanks!

[lilac stag]

I’m curious to see what mythic ends up like.

[left ledge]

Gonna just be playing trickster on everything

[fading marlin]

probably like a couple of guys and a couple of monsters

[left ledge]

I think the only ST boss is a dragon?

[lilac stag]

Good plan. More buffs then

I think heroic maybe ends up a lot of ST

Depending how quickly adds go boom

[left ledge]

Well…

This is the spec that makes them go boom…

[golden totem]

You can ignore it until very comfortable with the spec, also it's easier than it seems, once you get a little practice trust me

[empty cargo]

Because the BiS offhand is crafted

[hallow matrix]

do you need to have the three top points in the voidstorm console for the trinket to be max value?

[swift tinsel]

in thinking about it, probs not really worth trying to optimize spirit pickup since they last 10sec on the ground and buff is 1min per spirit. probs just wanna grab them more or less instant

[void ocean]

i should be comfy with the spec, im maining it for 20 Years 😄

[vale pine]

the spreadsheet is usually not updated a lot, which is why manually checking the github commints is typically best

[harsh gale]

Is it true fatebound outlaw is looking like the go to raid spec or is sub sandbagging

[lilac stag]

We shall see. 🤞

[void ocean]

we r sandbagging, but shhh

dont let the blizz hear

[sharp peak]

Outlul

[harsh gale]

🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫

[lilac stag]

It’s always outlaw tier.

[void ocean]

we had a deal 5 months ago

[lilac stag]

outlaw offseason rogue spec champ the last 4 expansions.

[little epoch]

!craft

[graceful osprey]

DS just needs a rework lol

[void ocean]

bring back DfA

[heady garden]

such a shame the only hero tree themetically cool is designed so poorly lol

[sharp peak]

Dfa with shadow clones would be sick

[void ocean]

shit just starts fallin from the sky

[sharp peak]

Seeing my lil shadow bois dfa’ing after me

[graceful osprey]

Really, now that I think about, trickster could be hero spec that spams more shadow clones but deathstalker has less shadow clones but stronger ones

[fleet acorn]

talking about gear not weapon

[sharp peak]

Death stalker just has a shadow clone pet that mimics finishers

Sub could add some more flavor and lean into shadow clones more

[golden totem]

Then try it out now!! But I got pretty used to this min max while leveling

So I'd say it's pretty fast to get used to

[empty cargo]

Because crafted belt is BiS 😂

[heady garden]

they should lean more in to the plague damage aspect of deathstalker imo, it's the forsaken assassin's guild

[graceful osprey]

Unholy rogue

[magic coral]

so is sub good at cleave compared to other specs

[bleak night]

[lucid jackal]

No

[strange chasm]

Sub is going to rip this raid I'm pre sure

It will 100% get nerfed

[heady garden]

sub is good in burst aoe

[graceful osprey]

I’m not sure about compared to other specs but I believe our burst cleave/aoe is pretty decent

[bleak night]

if the adds only survive two globals and you have sectec/coup ready then the cleave is probably fantastic

[heady garden]

lower target cleave is the weak point

[bleak night]

[strange chasm]

It's going to be very strong and most craft dagger first + tier set is insanely strong so will be prio and blizzard will knee jerk nerf before other classes get their stuff online

Calling it now

[heady garden]

its fine, we just pivot to assa right

[golden totem]

Second to last boss voidspire outlaw prog confirmed

They can't complain now

[void ocean]

https://giphy.com/gifs/friends-2OP9jbHFlFPW

[sharp peak]

Pally council fight is one of the only fights I’m considering playing sin on. The rest are sub.

[sour swift]

So sec to last Boss we play Outlaw?

[void ocean]

id rather be benched

[magic coral]

yeah i really hate sin since the rework, just feels so bad to m at least. If outlaw is better id proly go with that personally

[stiff spear]

so NA, do you have daily lockout m0 and champion gear today?

[golden totem]

There is another 2 boss raid coming after, so it would be fourth to last boss

I'm very curious about last boss voidspire tuning

[lucid jackal]

Lowk I feel sub is the worst spec

Mainly cuz paladin exists at the end of the raid

[strange chasm]

You think?

[left ledge]

Is guy just deleting assa

[strange chasm]

I'm pre sure sub will still find a way lmao.

[sharp peak]

Guy just setting himself up for another tweet

[graceful osprey]

For me, sub feels good right now. It’s a good baseline to me. Blizzard just needs to do well on building on what we have now

[left ledge]

Sub will be ok

We aren’t gonna be op

As long as there’s bursts of aoe in 20 second intervals

We will be good

[strange chasm]

Even then you can still hold as long as blades isn't up

And move your damage

[lucid jackal]

I think the raid has too much cleave content for sub to standout but I mean, it still has a niche

All the rogue specs have something rn

[graceful osprey]

I think we’re still good at on demand burst when needed

[lucid jackal]

I'm just waiting a few days to look at wcl atp

[strange chasm]

I think it really depends on how the cleave ads are tuned hp wise. Could be the case where they just get obliterated. I think sub is in way too good of a spot.

And if not you'd still just bring it to st dummy the boss with ds

[lilac stag]

Our raid utility going to carry us

[idle flint]

[stable plume]

Bro imagine in blackjack worked on boss mechanics

[graceful osprey]

3% damage reduction poison lets goooooo

[grave kelp]

If sub good -> play sub
If sub bad -> play sub and get high parses

[heady garden]

3.6% ackshually

[graceful osprey]

Ahhh yeah 3.6%

Let’s goooo

[lilac stag]

joke on you ackshually. No one plays spec, parses way harder.

[grave kelp]

Survival hunter type cope

[hollow spear]

the more meta sub, the better your parses

[lilac stag]

nah just the way numbers work. I know math is hard.

[hollow spear]

the diehard sub players who sleep with their subtlety t-shirts on will take the top spot and your parse will look worse because there's less meta slaves you can beat

[karmic harbor]

Anyone in here even considering playing outlaw

[lilac stag]

if it makes you happy go for it

[stable plume]

One of my guildies is playing outlaw because he likes the playstyle more. I prefer sub so I’m going sub

[lilac stag]

don’t let the assa rerollers influence you cause their spec is “dead”

[stable plume]

Unless they’re drastically different or you’re pushing for crazy high WR, it doesn’t matter what spec you are

[graceful osprey]

Only true chads play sub

[strange chasm]

Ass will get buffs and be really fucking good on every fight. It's the cycle of life man.

[karmic harbor]

Is outlaw simming a lot higher

[strange chasm]

Not sure how good their cleave is though if it's about the same

[stable plume]

Slightly lower than deathstalker, slightly higher than trickster

[lilac stag]

Don’t need to get buffs. Just need right timings.

[graceful osprey]

Don’t matter if you parse low or high, if you play sub, you’re a Chad

[karmic harbor]

Deathstalker... Is simming highest?

It's so over

[stable plume]

Nah sin def needs just pure number buffs rn, its rough

[graceful osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-carl-weathers-gif-5129663

[lilac stag]

it’s not but ok

[graceful osprey]

This is how I greet other sub rogue enjoyers

[heady garden]

sin needs to fix CT and their wack bottom third of their spec tree

[lilac stag]

my ST sim is bad waaaaaaah

[karmic harbor]

Sub rogue was, is and always will be the best spec in the game

[lilac stag]

Proceeds to get 2x CDs in execute

Weeeeeeeee

can afk cleave dot everything

terrible terrible spec

[stable plume]

Meh if numbers are bad, great if numbers are good

[lilac stag]

so terrible Whispyr can’t make a profile for it

though idk why there’s no profile.

[idle flint]

I love it, the more I kill, the better it feels.

[heady garden]

are sin players secretly sandbagging sims

[idle flint]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dancing-christian-bale-american-psycho-JBN6hII6XhuWk

[stable plume]

Nope, it doesn’t include execute tho to the best of my knowledge

[hollow spear]

it does

[crude radish]

Any thoughts on tauren war stomp for m+ aoe stop? Worth or nah

[lilac stag]

It’s just not going to plan for execute timings say on mugzee

[lilac stag]

nelf and dorf are too strong. The stomp is rather meh

[hazy breach]

It only hits 5 targets

[bleak night]

perfect for outlaw then

[hazy breach]

So its unreliable as fuck unless its a small pull

[bleak night]

highmountain charge hits everything i think

racial power creep is disgusting

smh

[odd jacinth]

just play velf for extra 5% dmg ofc

[lilac stag]

Bring back old BElf racial

[bleak night]

idr what the cd was

but i dont even think it would be particularly overpowered if it was readded

[lilac stag]

aOE silence

[bleak night]

yeah

[slim aurora]

hai , do we craft dagger with haste / mastery?

[lilac stag]

2 min CD

[bleak night]

but 2s aoe silence on 2m cd

is already just worse than most aoe stop racials

[lilac stag]

Or haste/crit if you plan to outlaw at all

[bleak night]

they need to give it back

[lilac stag]

ok that color is amazing

[bleak night]

oh it was even 1s when it was removed

yeah give it back

and it was 2.5m cd

[lilac stag]

all the money they made from horde swapping offf Belf

[vale osprey]

It was the best racial because then MDI won't be 50 dwarves anymore 😤

[bleak night]

aoe cc was nowhere near as prevalent back then so i get it

but i want it back now

well actually i want racials to be entirely decoupled from power at all but

i'd take this as a second option

[lilac stag]

I’d swap back to horde for tbc belf racial

[tidal python]

Humans having a free pvp trinket was goated though

Really hard to pick anything else

[lilac stag]

pvp

[hot seal]

!addons

[tepid trellis]

@hazy breach it is time

[hot seal]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

To play Devourer?

[bleak night]

im so glad its pandas time to shine

[hot seal]

And so it began

[long marlin]

fatty

[hot seal]

Too many muffins

mb.

[bleak night]

name does fit

[craggy quest]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hot seal]

Reminds me of pikaboo having Niketech his panda rogue

always wanted to join the movement

[hazy breach]

[broken fable]

Did u guys craft weapon allready or u w8ing ?

[silver yarrow]

Is sub fun to play rn, boys?

[silent geode]

oh yeah

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[cursive vapor]

if you have fun playing sub rn then you pretty sure gonna have fun playing sub yeah

[feral bane]

so if i want to reroll to outlaw(only if a miracle happens) best stats for crafted dagger are haste/crit?

[hazy breach]

You can always just recraft it

It doesnt particularly matter

[tropic field]

Is it possible to track all neccessary buffs with blizzards cd manager?

[magic coral]

for sub yeah, not too much to track

[spice matrix]

Damn is it a Panda tier

[modest snow]

should I stick to weapon craft anyways or is there an angle to justify double armour spark craft if I can get the mythic track dagger from vorasius early

[spiral needle]

dagger craft is because the embellish lasts forever in offhand

one way or another

[modest snow]

ty will do that then

[left ledge]

always has been

if you didnt panda prog last tier

you're a fake

[magic coral]

its fat rogue season

[silver yarrow]

I'm a outlaw player, never played sub.

[lilac stag]

Well only you can decide what’s fun for you

[left ledge]

its basically the same thing you hit the buttons to get the combo points and then hit the button to spend the combo points

[lilac stag]

One is flat. One is bursty.

[left ledge]

exactly

do you like them flat or busty

bursty*

[bleak night]

both

both is good

oh bursty

nvm

[spiral needle]

if you've played outlaw forever, you'll find sub boring or nice and relaxing

outlaw still the hardest spec of the 3

[magic coral]

as a outlaw forever person until the re-work i like sub a lot more, i like having burst for once. not feeling as plagued by not having perfect uptime is nice too.

[lilac stag]

You’ve not been in here answering Apex questions the past month.

[left ledge]

just realized i have no idea what outlaw even looks like

[spiral needle]

i've born witness to them

[left ledge]

last time i really dedicated a braincell to that spec was in shadowlands

[spiral needle]

but a lot of it is people greatly overthinking it, the new version where you only care about empowered points is so simple

[sleek musk]

If shadowblades has like 20 seconds remaining and I’m starved on energy do I just build combo points and wait for it to come off cd?

Similar to last tier

[left ledge]

you would just do your rotation normally

you play around sectec

[lilac stag]

Flaccid as fuck with a little bump for preparation.

[left ledge]

do they still spam BTE for 5 years

[spiral needle]

it feels very similar, pre midnight, just without a million bones reroll rules

[left ledge]

ah yes the rules that i just slapped into a WA

[lilac stag]

Think shadowlands outlaw with less thinking

[stuck arrow]

Which bosses are out in LFR today for tier set? First three of void spire?

[spiral needle]

still hectic as heck though

if you like pressing abutton every GCD

[lilac stag]

Very hard very challenging.

[hot seal]

Whats the command for all t he addons

[lilac stag]

We don’t do that here

Try pirate land

[hot seal]

😮

[tropic field]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[hot seal]

Oh, well any suggestions for a Cooldown manager addon?

[silver yarrow]

ty

[hot seal]

I was using nephui, but trying to explore some options

[lilac stag]

Outlaw legit has a command for it.

I use ArcUI

[spiral needle]

arcui opened my third eye recently, it's amazing and worth learning over any other lazy CDM addon

[tropic field]

Can anyone explain this aa thing for me? Do we use shadowstrike till we get all 4 of them or what doea it mean?

[spiral needle]

it's not as hard to set up as people made it sound

[lilac stag]

Just don’t use anchors in ArcUI

[lilac stag]

All 4 of what now?

[austere plank]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[night gyro]

can u explain why this gives more dps?

[tidal python]

Big number bigger

[lilac stag]

because the effect(s) it triggers does more dps than not triggering it

[spiral needle]

i reckon the extra finisher damage is more than worth the combo points you waste

[smoky badger]

Im siming Haste/versa on gem

[lilac stag]

we do be a finisher spec

[bleak night]

i hardly know er

[tropic field]

Which hero talent do you guys recommend?

[spiral needle]

you're going to be trickster in 95%+ of situations

[tropic field]

Okey then i stick to that

[vale pine]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[grim vessel]

Are we going to be middle of the pack or bottom of the pack in raid this week

[left ledge]

probably near the top

depends how many clueless chuds are on the spec

[lilac stag]

Probably near the bottom

[honest void]

it's hc week

so we're in the middle

[left ledge]

but sub has a LOT of pad potential from what im seeing

[honest void]

all that matters is the pad

[left ledge]

we are the pad

deny all other pad

[lilac stag]

and a potential for a lot of 2 button lulz

Bringing performance down

How many panda rogues we gonna see without a food buff

[copper linden]

Do we send second spark craft before raid today?

[vale pine]

too many

[lilac stag]

Why?

just craft a 246 vet item with embellishment

[copper linden]

That’s what I thought, I should have been more clear just wanted to double check

[lilac stag]

An extra 13 ilvl on belt or bracers ain’t going to do you anything but make you miserable when a socketed mythic version drops week 1 of Mythic and it goes to the boomkin because your spark craft is there

[burnt loom]

https://tenor.com/view/reroll-boomkin-druid-world-of-gif-9224477950400865848

[night gyro]

how are yall tracking vessel of tortured souls procs? do you just randomly pick them up or u look for them?

[vale pine]

nice meme

[sick dagger]

How good are panda rogues atm

Like compared to orc

[lunar bluff]

we should remove this from wowhead and try not to scare off anyone trying to play outlaw

wrong chat guys

should i leave it?

fuu can i leave this here

[vale pine]

does not matter

[tulip folio]

whats good dps u should get in pure st on dummy for like 2-3 min fight i know its stupid question bla bla

just tell me if anyone got number

[lunar bluff]

might leave u with it

[vale pine]

it should be more than two

(there is no specific number, you will do worse than in raid because you miss raid buffs, flasks, etc)

[tulip folio]

ok

[swift tinsel]

dropping screenshots for the people

[vale pine]

shaman raid buff is huge

it makes the spec feel so much smoother

[upbeat cradle]

I love shamans

[swift tinsel]

excited to play with it in raid tonight

did all m0 without a shaman lol

[still gazelle]

What else do you save for then? Anything not gotten week 2?

[upbeat cradle]

I'll never play that class but I love them

[swift tinsel]

enh is always a good time

ele can be fun occasionally

[upbeat cradle]

I just love windfury methinks

[signal flame]

totemic might be the only hero talent more boring than trickster

[bleak night]

brother

[swift tinsel]

totemic is too lava lash spammy

for me

probably my only real gripe with it

[jaunty heath]

ez money

[lilac stag]

fill in what you’re missing heroic gear wise. make a 1h if pirate is amazing in m+

[pure wave]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plush roost]

5min dummy my highest was 37.5k on details didnt have logging on 241 ilvl

[crystal bone]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[plush roost]

Highest log 36.9k

[vale pine]

sounds decent

[tulip folio]

2:16m 37.1 236 ilvl

it would drop if went for 5 min

[plush roost]

Yeah ofc

[tulip folio]

idk i have to compete for spot to my guild mates tommarow

[plush roost]

I think im still in the 40ks after 2 mins lmfao

[tulip folio]

we have like 3 rogues out of nowhere now

so im kinda tweakin

coz i cba finding new raiding guild that suits me

[plush roost]

I mean, gear discrepency and rng is real this early

So if they base it on that

Idk

Kinda troll

Sim target dummy

[tulip folio]

nah they didnt really said anything

but i know they take some stuff from it too

ill just focuse on to be clean

no death good mechanics

[plush roost]

Yes that is much more important than squeezing 500 dps

[vale osprey]

I mean if you're a myth guild and you guys have 3 rogues something went wrong pre-expac

[tulip folio]

i was only one they recruited 2

i toought they were trolling when they told me too

but its real

somehow 😄

sadly

[vale osprey]

Yeah why would they do that tho?

[tulip folio]

no idea

tbh im not that bad even

[magic coral]

my guild has two rogues on our weekday team, 3 would be criminal

[fiery fog]

btw on deathstalker we use the storm macro because shadowstrike macro doesnt work right?

[tulip folio]

they never had problem with me kinda

😄

im not super good but i perform for ur average ce guild

[plush roost]

2 rogue tier

Just yall wait

[lilac stag]

So all three of you are recruits?

[vale osprey]

Yeah we're playing 2 this tier (got ganked right before midnight with that info) but that's often fine

[leaden thorn]

everyone likes the idea of playing outlaw but no one likes to play outlaw. RNG AND CDR sucks no one should play it and force yet another rework , imho.

[lilac stag]

what rng?

[plush roost]

Outlaws rng is did i land stage 3/4 on opener

[wispy jasper]

Is this your profile or did you copy from somewhere? I’m looking for a better CDM

[plush roost]

Thats pmuch it, opportunity is like 70%

[leaden thorn]

huh

[lunar bluff]

rng aint bad

its a funny screenshot

[lilac stag]

Mine. No it’s not public as of right now.

[plush roost]

Hehe

[leaden thorn]

ppl pretending ok.

[lunar bluff]

they removed 3 fun things and the 3 things they replaced it with are funny

[lilac stag]

huh what? You’re delulu if you think outlaw is bad because of rng

[tulip folio]

nah im raider they are trails but we have this rule that u can play whatever u want on trail

[wispy jasper]

Are you opposed to sharing it?

[tulip folio]

and this 2 goobers whant to play rogue

[plush roost]

I think prep is fun, if only it wasnt on the gcd (last i checked)

[tulip folio]

[lilac stag]

if you’re going to shit on something do it with factual information.

[lilac stag]

Yes. I don’t want to deal with people breaking it and asking for help.

[astral axle]

still on gcd

[lunar bluff]

its alright, fast action and deadly pursuit tho

xd!

[plush roost]

I think fast action just needs a buff

8 seconds? 10?

Bte go brr

[astral axle]

the gcd thing makey me sadge

[lunar bluff]

its design makes no sense

[wispy jasper]

Fair lol, well if you ever share it or wanna dm me an import, I’d appreciate it. I’ll work on my own though if not, ty for answers!

[lunar bluff]

cuz it directly works against zero in

[lilac stag]

people breaking it can and may include ArcUI devs.

[lunar bluff]

zero in is so good u can save BTE for a bit as again

[lilac stag]

I’ll see what today’s patch does to it and go from there

[plush roost]

Ig so, maybe make it so fast action triggers a dispatch at 50% damage....

[grizzled bay]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lunar bluff]

banger and counts for apex

[plush roost]

And has no cd in stealth

Thoughts??

:^)

[lunar bluff]

or even better.... charges of bte thoughts??

[plush roost]

Meh, i kinda like a dispatch built in

To speed up apex

[lilac stag]

When can I press feint on energy starved outlaw spec?

[plush roost]

Just crackshot without stealth

[plush roost]

Just dont get hit bro

[lilac stag]

isn’t that the latest bitch

In that channel

[astral axle]

Which patch?

oh dispatch

[lilac stag]

[plush roost]

[lunar bluff]

its a valid bitch we have

[astral axle]

Anyone else get a weird bug where you try to fight the last boss and your games crashes? It seems like some kind of L'ura Error.

[lilac stag]

You all just like to bitch

that channel will never be happy

[lean sigil]

is it possible to make this #showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique a cast sequence? would be nice if it did not cast sec tech if dance is on CD

[lunar bluff]

sounds like youre bitching rn

respect

[lilac stag]

Nope

[lilac stag]

Observations. idgaf what you all do

@lean sigil off gcd spells can’t be macro’d in a cast sequence.

Part of the spec is managing your CDs

[dire anchor]

anyone else excited for raid, gonna be lit

[swift tinsel]

one step closer to labyrinth delves

my true endgame

[north schooner]

true and real

[swift tinsel]

if it ends up feeling like a legit dungeon crawler the rest of the content may never see me again

and not some shit torghast derivate

[weak cypress]

why is there shuriken storm incluced in the sub sim ?

[swift tinsel]

I'm mostly curious to see what the reward structure is for it since blizz mentioned it being unique or something along those lines

[north schooner]

house decor

[swift tinsel]

pfft imagine not spending hearthsteel on all your decor and earning it instead

check out this guy

[north schooner]

https://tenor.com/b6HA2MAMzOh.gif

[swift tinsel]

I spend all my hard-earned money on instacart cat food

[north schooner]

if you mean for deathstalker, it's an optimisation

#subtlety-faq message read this and the message below it @weak cypress

[swift tinsel]

also didn't realize maintenance may end in 30mins already

surely no extendo

[north schooner]

you guys better beta test the content well this time. Last time it was a disaster

[astral axle]

no extendo trust they won't ruin the new season new expac vibes like that

[swift tinsel]

oh imma be beta testing the shit out of this launch

[astral axle]

you beta believe it

[swift tinsel]

and by that I mean speedrunning setting my EUI up again after it got nuked

or reverting to UUF/Arc until full release lol

[north schooner]

setting your ui is the real endgame for midnight

[weak cypress]

thanks a lot

[swift tinsel]

I had it pretty nice but Elle redid a ton of the infrastructure which wiped everything

but I have my fallback UI setup that I can use in the meantime

[north schooner]

good thing blizzard progressed "faster than anticipated" and made the changes one expansion early

[swift tinsel]

I will never forgive them for how shittily they handled the whole UI situation

legit worst possible approach

[keen dome]

Are the US realms up yet

[swift tinsel]

nah 30mins

ish

barring extendo

[keen dome]

damn, I wanted KNOWLEDGE

[north schooner]

https://tenor.com/bsWsu.gif

[harsh gale]

I hope it's extended

[lilac stag]

You’ll be on DH permanently for tank mode.

[astral axle]

i learned recently this guy was arrested for running a ponzi scheme

[swift tinsel]

wow so surprising

[astral axle]

yeah very surprising

[swift tinsel]

never struck me as a grifter

[north schooner]

mild shock

[swift tinsel]

not even once

[astral axle]

and all here in my garage

[versed hawk]

with BP nerf do we still bp at 2 target?

[swift tinsel]

yar

[keen dome]

I don't have knowledge of who they are s I've failed

[swift tinsel]

Tai Lopez

[hollow spear]

doesn't matter who they are

[swift tinsel]

had a ton of those Get Rich By Listening To Me videos

[hollow spear]

they are not a grifter

most honourable youtube channel

[swift tinsel]

surely

[hollow spear]

if one of these cheap ass self help books became sentient

to part you and your money

it'd be him

probably

[jaunty heath]

is the ring enchant on wowhead actually bait

running crit one instead of haste

[swift tinsel]

mine wanted mastery but it was also hodgepodge gear

cirt one likely assumes you have the necessary rating from gear

[raven sail]

Hello dear rogues, do we upgrade any veteran gear or not? Also do we craft any non spark gear? Sont know what to do.

[main falcon]

I did craft 3 items on 246 with it

One embelishment

[hazy breach]

Sure the haste might be better to get you to the breakpoint, but 1.25% crit damage is very very good

[keen dome]

If anyone is raiding today, can they let me know if mass dispelling the Lightblinded Vanguard's bubbles still works. Because I'm lazy and don't want to look it up tomorrow if someone can just tell me today

[radiant shore]

does someone wanna share their blizzard cooldown manager? the link on wowhead seems to be brokey(?)

[swift tinsel]

I'm 99% sure we're trying that strat when we get there

so I can let you know if we go for it

[keen dome]

Yeah I assume most people will be 'cos it'll make the pull a lot smoother.

[swift tinsel]

I'll be a bit surprised if its allowed personally

but never know

[keen dome]

Yeah, since it'd basically mandate the dispel class but

[swift tinsel]

maybe that's why they added a big shield nuker to shadow pr...oh wait

[keen dome]

It'd be thematic and funny. The heroism timings are annoying to explain to people who don't get the fight cadence otherwise

So I want to update my guide to "Just do it on pull if you have a mass dispel" because it's gonna be easier for the groups using my suggestions.

[swift tinsel]

but if you can Mass Dispel maybe you can also Consume Magic, Purge, etc

[keen dome]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna ask if we can try any of those before MD just in case

[keen dome]

That'd be super useful info imo

[left ledge]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[karmic harbor]

it's over

rogue is unplayable

[swift tinsel]

okay

[formal raven]

This is from the wowhead guide, and it suggests that i also wanna SS to get AA even if i don't have a supercharged combo point. But the !aa tells me differently: Can anyone tell me what's right?

[spiral needle]

discord info is generally most up to date

[wet jacinth]

yo im very sorry for this redundant question and i know !aa exists but i have conflicting information. Ive been told to only shadowstrike into full CP when in hero because the double finishers are better damage outside of hero. and the recommended raid spec is Trickster. Do i spec Trickster and double finisher or do i play Deathstalker and send into full cp ?

[vocal rock]

Skill issue

[dreamy furnace]

any talent changes now for aoe now that the nerf is out? Or still same talents as before

[tepid trellis]

the discord will be the most up to date in terms of stuff like this cuz its easier/faster to keep up

[granite rose]

is one hander weapon and one none tier slot still the go to for crafted gear?