subtlety

[hazy breach]

So unless you have higher ilvl in literally every other slot, probably not

[echo magnet]

Okay ty

[hazy breach]

What did fuu do

[short radish]

Be himself

[hazy breach]

Turns out releasing the game on a random beta patch and then holding off from doing any tuning for 2 weeks left the game in a fairly unbalanced state

[distant sage]

@vale pine is double shadowstrike the move in every blades cast after sectec when playing trickster it always get our coupe up for the second finisher of our supercharged combo points

[hazy breach]

If you dont get it naturally yes

But since you shouldnt be finishing a few seconds before youre dancing

You should have enough sht stacks without needing to double strike

[distant sage]

its more about forcing coupe into the second charged finisher

i was looking at sims and trying it out and it seems we can get coupe always instantly on pull

[hazy breach]

If you get lucky and one of those double hit yea

Besides theres no difference supercharging coup Vs supercharging an eviscerate

Supercharger isnt +X% damage, its +3 combo points spent

Going from 7 > 10 combo points spent is the same as going from 12 > 15

[distant sage]

ye but in aoe where we have lets say 5-7 mobs could it be the move than to gamble the coupe proc over just bp the mobs

[hazy breach]

What

[distant sage]

idk how much dps coupe does compared to bp havent look that much into it

in first pull of magister where we dont have 12+ mobs could it be the play to send supercharged coupe over black powder

will it do more damage

[hazy breach]

!apex

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[modest lily]

Which is better in cleave situations, Sub, Assa, or Outlaw, when considering the raid? Been playing Sub just because it's so bursty but it doesnt seem to do well for cleave fights versus some other classes. I'm most likely playing it sub-optimal but yea, lol.

Wasn't sure if people had experience so far that could translate to the upcoming raid.

[alpine wraith]

what would people prefer a guide for trickster and one for deathstalker or a long one on both¿

[honest void]

A guide on fatebound sub please

[alpine wraith]

think last time i played outlaw was in fated nathria

[honest void]

Good season

Good tier set

Life was better back then

[honest void]

Whichever is less headache for you I guess

[tribal blade]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

looks like plume is our new bis

[tame notch]

Hi guys do u know if duplication effect from aug evoker stacks with our dmg from apex talent clone?

[honest void]

Does it matter?

Isn't it just seen as aug dmg?

[tame notch]

It does but it matters for my aug actually thats why Im asking

[honest void]

Fairs

Think u may have to test that one out

Id assume it does cause clone dmg counts as our dmg (don't quote me)

And not pet dmg or something

[faint quail]

so just checking, only thing that hbas really changed since tuning is proccing aa when supercharged? everything else norm how it w as?

[faint quail]

long on both w timestamp

[eternal wave]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[lusty acorn]

Is class changes live?

[grand wyvern]

is there any fight were we are playing deathstalker as far as we know?

[honest void]

Nothing is ST

[mint bobcat]

For 2-3 targets are we just not pressing black powder at all or is it still worth it to press?

[honest void]

Except midnight falls

I think

[bleak night]

beloren is st

but i bet money theres a bug and your mark disappears on the egg

[honest void]

Twin dragons are too

So actually a fair amount

[honest void]

[thorny ridge]

We do !apex (notes) every time if really apex no proc?

[honest void]

What?

[kind lagoon]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[honest void]

N3it sure i understand

[maiden pecan]

why is apl using shuriken storm in st rotation

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qipXsM2AoXwvDujTqyhGUV

and why during dance above all

[cloud jasper]

Danse macbre?

[maiden pecan]

why isnt this in wowhead guide

[near laurel]

It is

[north garnet]

Long guide for both!

[stuck arrow]

Its to proc Silent Storm / FW / Premed. Also Backstab / Shadowstrike are locked out for a quarter GCD when you click dance because reasons. And gives a danse strike.

Only for Deathstalker.

Might benefit from Momentum of Despair too, not sure.

[alpine wraith]

you can have momentum from before

[proper eagle]

There is a bug SD+SS does not cast

[alpine wraith]

but not worth on st kinda unless you are already at full cp and pooling sht and about to cap energy

might as well

but if you have wm might proc it from stab too so meh

[maiden pecan]

i cant believe its worth to do a 1.7k shuriken storm in dance even with the .2 delay on dance

why not use it the global before u dance

[warm marlin]

it does 8000 per cast

and procs danse macabre

it's not that bad

[maiden pecan]

8000 ? where u get that number from

[warm marlin]

dance also buffs storm damage by 100% (is a spellbook passive) so with that and danse + avoiding the stance delay its good

[maiden pecan]

vs 82k shadowstrike

lol

somethings not right

[stuck arrow]

It guarantees the apex on SecTec & Eviscerate.

Without having to force.

[alpine wraith]

do you know about premed bug?

!premed

[wicked jolt]

There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.

[alpine wraith]

basically you want to supercharge DN evis and sec tech

so you prep it

get to 1 mark

0 cp get sht

dance storm sec tech evis

[stuck arrow]

He explained better than I did, lol.

[alpine wraith]

it will be exlained in guides somewhere but i will also explain it in the DS part of the video

[stuck arrow]

I think its a little moot, personally, I dont trust Deathstalker - or myself to not bug deathstalker. LOL.

[steady terrace]

subbed

[alpine wraith]

well it is marginally better in st and has more to think about but also

i dont think i would play it

[maiden pecan]

yay for 2 button trickster

and as long as theres some cleave trickster is better so why even bother

[stuck arrow]

IDK Deathstalkers mark is like 6.4% DPS & Hunt Them Down is like 3.5%. That bugs out on you and you're doing same ST as Potent Powder spec Trickster. Less, because you lose another 5% for Singular Focus.

But if you run Potent Powder Trickster you also get to giga-pad on adds.

[stuck arrow]

And I feel like a lot of fights you want to run potent powder anyway.

That said - DS maybe better on adds without Sectec up.

[crimson dagger]

can we not use champion crests to craft with a spark but only hero and myth crests?

[plush roost]

Basically strike being delayed sucks and can lose a gcd in dance. storm does 11k and lashe 11-22k, so its a minor loss for a significant gain in a gcd inside dance

@my current ilvl of 241

[steel sierra]

My haste is already 20 percent, why is raidbots simming haste gear as better on the droptimizer despite stat weights showing it's worth very little benefit?

We're still aiming for 650-700, correct?

[plush roost]

Probably just ilvl

[gilded kestrel]

sup, qq for chat. not seeing the value in first dance with tanks just chain pulling constantly. i might get 2 or 3 if im lucky. is it worth dropping for veiltouched for the extra 5% dmg?

[plush roost]

Agi >>>everything

[steel sierra]

I'm comparing the same ilvl

[stuck arrow]

Is droptomizer adding enchants that you dont have on your equipped gear?

[plush roost]

Dropping tfd for finality/veil is fine. U need to proc every 2 minutes for it to be valuable

[steel sierra]

negative, i'll post a top gear compare

[gilded kestrel]

ty

[plush roost]

Link the droptimizer while ur at it

[steel sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q7K8D2NFb2fXytFC8FQJ4f

It's having me pick haste gloves/cloak over non-haste gloves/cloak

Yet I'm sitting at 20 percent

[plush roost]

Whats your raw haste value

% means nothing for suv

Sub

[dire ravine]

So are we dropping WM and taking potent powder for all fights, minus like Belo'ren, and Vorasius?

[steel sierra]

726

[plush roost]

Very strange, i suggest waiting till tmrw

[steel sierra]

I'm just lost on this

[plush roost]

Eleem is pushing the apl tonight

Droptimizer has been known to have scuffed results tho

[stuck arrow]

Doesn't vanish guarantee you proc it every 2 minutes? Although I gues you'd need to stay out of combat.

Probably not worth.

[plush roost]

Ye but in real keys vanish is an insane defensive

I stopped using tfd towards the end of my beta keys finality was stronger

[stuck arrow]

I was more thinking raid cleave. But then you probably want the M+ with veil-touched instead of TFD.

[plush roost]

Veil isnt even something you consider dropping

Were like 60% magic dam

[warm marlin]

vanish doesnt drop combat in raid

unless u mean the talent set

[plush roost]

Youd drop ist/finality/wm for tfd first

Depending on content

[stuck arrow]

I think the M+ build has TFD in lieu of Veil, but maybe I'm out to lunch.

[brazen steppe]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[plush roost]

Did u grind ur 10k honor bus

[stuck arrow]

Yeah, see Fuu's sims have TFD instead of Veil.

[warm marlin]

hellno

[plush roost]

Weird that seems incorrect to me

[stuck arrow]

Could be he just hasn't looked at Dungeon Slice as much.

[warm marlin]

dslice gets combat drops right?

[stuck arrow]

Not sure.

[plush roost]

It should

[stuck arrow]

Would it be trolling to just set and forget something like this in Heroic week? Feels like good mix of ST damage and Cleave without really knowing the fights.

[pearl swan]

!fuu

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[dire anchor]

how's sub looking for raid tomorrow

[alpine wraith]

kinda neat

[agile spoke]

Anyone have a decent idea of our stats atm? I'm sitting at 500 crit, 650 haste, 600 mastery/*.... feels decent

[alpine wraith]

get to around 700 haste then go mastery crit

no more precise numbers

[devout knot]

can someone explain, in the spreadsheet it says embelishments hunt + linen, what exactly are those?

[alpine wraith]

weapon with darkmoon hunt any leather gear with the linen that gives main stat

[stuck arrow]

How much DPS is arcanoweave - should I be crafting that before raid, or its relatively minor?

[tulip light]

Sim it / talk to your RL about crafts

[stuck arrow]

Idk that Arcanoweave is in droptimizer or top gear? Or am I just dumb, lol.

[golden inlet]

Hi apologies if this is a silly question but how come crit loses value in M+ compared to ST. Is it because Mastery is just worth so much more the more targets ?

[stuck arrow]

Its because potent powder is OP as hell and talents give you crit chance boosts to Shuriken/Powder

[lilac stag]

Sub’s Mastery and use of the stat is just very good, especially in AoE

[golden inlet]

Ahh thanks ❤️

[frigid prawn]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[young harness]

how much of a dps increase is this? playing like this makes me wanna throw up

[warm marlin]

1% trick 3% ds

[steel zinc]

Your playing then the wrong spec my friend. Sub has always degen stuff

[lilac stag]

This isn’t even degen

[hollow spear]

It's also so minor

[fallow rampart]

Hi guys, I’m change spec on sub, watching shindig guide, can I ask we CDG only when secret technique up? Or we just insta press it

[hollow spear]

Most of the time it happens automatically

[spiral needle]

it's a lot simpler than it really looks and mostly handles itself during most dances

[marble ledge]

Sorry for the stale question, but I'm returning from TWW S2, my muscle memory has me throwing in a regular backstab in Shadow Dance to trigger Danse Macabre. Am I ignoring that talent entirely now?

[hollow spear]

Yes

[marble ledge]

One more bad question, is the new change to sub considered an overall buff or nerf?

The one coming up tomorrow

[tribal blade]

it happens most of the time passively, and if you want to make it p much guaranteed every time you can be a bit more aggressive pooling before dances

to stack up some sht

[hollow spear]

Has anyone of you tried to give it some pooling conditions

I always end up pooling a bit because I want to enter dance with sectec anyway

The only time I don't technically pool is if I'm swimming in sht already, but then I'd have to get super unlucky to use all of them up with my last pre-dance builder

[shadow snow]

is it possible to do the delve xp farm with sub rogue?

[tribal blade]

the danger always feels like if you try to squeeze in 1 more limp evis right before sectec is up you can not have enough CPs right as it comes off cd

and then if you pool your next dance feels like you're zooming

[hollow spear]

Yeah that's why I only send the limp evis if I'm at 5+ sht

[tribal blade]

hard to say because i haven't been playing with a sham the past few weeks

[hollow spear]

Maybe even more than 5+

Happens quite rarely too

[tribal blade]

might just be feelycraft on my end

but i prefer pooling

[hollow spear]

On dummy sessions I usually backstab soup for a couple secs

[tribal blade]

or being on the safe end with pooling i should say

[hollow spear]

Need to be careful not to backstab soup too much or you lack energy for sectec

[tribal blade]

i do up to 6 secs sometimes

[tribal blade]

yeah hacha was saying there was some energy condition to it

only backstabbing above a certain energy threshold

[open vortex]

60

[tribal blade]

yeah

[hollow spear]

I feel like that only should only apply to the last maybe 2s before dance

[tribal blade]

probably yeah

[hollow spear]

Even though technically it's also good to always have enough for feints

[tribal blade]

you can kinda safely stop backstabbing ~2 secs before sectec comes up

[hollow spear]

Backstabbing doesn't do anything anyway

[tribal blade]

yeah both backstab and non dance evis hit for nothing

[hollow spear]

If you just int your dance window once by finishing one time too many beforehand or delaying due to a lack of energy

[tribal blade]

going into a dance with 0 sht feels pretty horrendous

[hollow spear]

You've inted more than you would have gained from these 2-3 extra evis and 9-10 backstabs over 5 min

[tribal blade]

i think so

[hollow spear]

That's at least what feelycraft™ tells me

Looking at the yellow number on my screen after a non dance evis

Despairge

[tribal blade]

it was like ~9k on the training dummy just now haha

for a non crit non dance evis

[hollow spear]

Over 5 minutes that's 17 dps

[tribal blade]

yeah it's nothing

[hollow spear]

It all adds up!!!

[tribal blade]

we also don't work on cdr anymore

so you're not losing anything

significant

[hollow spear]

But with the static sectec and dance cd you're in full panic mode if you don't have enough cp or sht when they come up

[tribal blade]

yeah that's really bad

1 thing i'm not super clear on though is if you proc coup while you're pooling

i've had it where i send coup and build back up and hit like 3 stacks on UB before next dance

or sent it and from rng just had a miserable time getting back to full CP

OR hold coup and waste ~2 UB procs

[vague garnet]

Are ppl here crafting their wep or still waiting for last tunings to happen?

[hollow spear]

It's probably hard to really get a clear rule for that

[tribal blade]

yeah that one feels squirrely

[hollow spear]

My gut tells me to not send if it delays your dance/sectec

[tribal blade]

that's prob the rule yeah

[hollow spear]

If you can just about get enough cp and maybe not enough sht, I'd send

[tribal blade]

if only UB stacked beyond 4

[hollow spear]

They had their chance last patch, didn't do it

[quasi portal]

So what is the latest cook for ds and apex talent?

[tribal blade]

despair

[olive canyon]

trinket nerfed again

[exotic steeple]

not gonna get it anyways

[hollow spear]

We all sneer at it anyway

[exotic steeple]

we all Gaze at it anyways

HAH

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

how hyped are we for the new raid?

[exotic steeple]

guten morgen

[tribal blade]

plume sims better for me now

but this is heroic sim so who knows

with low ilvl gear currently

[vale pine]

everything is an upgrade

if you have bad gear

[tribal blade]

for sure yeah

[supple barn]

Didn’t know I should farm honor for pve upgrades I’ve been playing an alt instead 🙁

[vale osprey]

If you want a quick boost do all the world quests that give the PvP gear too

Also not sure if you can get PvP crafted gear yet

[supple barn]

I just saw tonight people talking about gemming raid gear etc from doing PvP

I was gonna look into it tomorrow during downtime

[molten citrus]

the pvp socket items should be pvp gear specific

[molten citrus]

not until tmrw

[supple barn]

Hmm yeah I clearly didn’t follow what I watched then

lol oh well

[fallow ingot]

Do you guys enchant weapon with main stats and mastery proc ? atm double main stats proc sim higher for me

[keen dome]

I just went for main stats for now

[frigid prawn]

Do you have like a number of sht stacks when u feel like its good to go into cooldowns with that amount of stacks?

[warm marlin]

1 minimum 3 great

shouldn’t delay cds really though just pool more

Not entirely sure 3 is even necessary with wind fury either

Idk didn’t do any m0 with a shaman

[verbal kelp]

Before we start M+, can we press dance to get 2 supercharged combo points, and then when M+ starts, our first finisher, despite AoE, should be evisc to get slice and dice up?

[hollow spear]

Can evis when the tank is gathering

Just don't forget tot

[golden totem]

Kinda hype. Looking at strat I already get the vibes

[frigid prawn]

Yeah it feels hard to me, since I have in my mind that I have to press buttons all the time since that can be the issue on other classes when u lack dps. Thats atleast what I heard alot. So I have some problems to just stop press anything before big cd😄 Is it important to have 2/2 sd stacks available for blades, or I just need to have the 2nd sd ready for that time?

[glad cosmos]

The idea is that you win a bg for the quest thst gives you 9 of these crafting tokens that you use to make 246 pieces. The honor can then be used to purchase sockets for a belt and wrist that you'll craft, and you can add embellishments as well, so you will have strong pieces locked for a while

[verbal kelp]

thanks!

For raid, is everybody just playing trickster, or going DS for some fights? do we have a list for that yet?

[warm marlin]

last I looked the robot wasn’t even dancing twice in blades with depression levels of haste. it changes a bit with guidon on use trinket too so I honestly can’t say

[fallow ingot]

So we must play Deathstalker on ST now ?

[warm marlin]

Haven’t spent long enough on dummies to get a feel for how to play things, both my rogues are 700 haste though

should have more practical data soon

[chrome palm]

Bingus are you ready for the 50s blades when they bugfix lingering any day now

[warm marlin]

why do you always bring such horrors upon me now

[chrome palm]

Ig just shadow damage but

[warm marlin]

Mfw lingering is a stronger amp than blades itself

[chrome palm]

Is it?

[lucid jackal]

Get ready to talent gloom blade

[chrome palm]

Blades is like 36% right

[warm marlin]

Isn’t blades 26 with tier

[chrome palm]

Death perception

[warm marlin]

Oh ye

[chrome palm]

And blades also works on secret technique 🐸

[west tide]

https://giphy.com/gifs/FajaLobi-excited-tjappen-hongerig-AYjvccWdysTz3Rk9m4

guys why the neck sim higher for other people when im the shadow damage guy

fucked up world tbh

[fallow ingot]

On bosses like Voracius and Fallen king, u will play Deathstalker or trickster ?

[chrome palm]

They should just commit to sending us back to s1 df

[warm marlin]

I’m just gonna play trick the whole way through

[west tide]

same trickin the whole way

[chrome palm]

No point in having 2 dance charges

Just have 3 post dance/blades buff

[west tide]

does trickster still ahve that thing where nobody gets parried in ur raid?

[chrome palm]

And giga buff gloomblade

[warm marlin]

I need to know the fight to play ds because if I lose my mark I’m gonna mental boom

And I don’t feel like getting parried

[chrome palm]

I mental boomed so hard on ds in beta in one key I never played it again

[warm marlin]

Self only since tww3

[west tide]

i see ok

[chrome palm]

Parry debuff should be part of atro

[warm marlin]

Especially since Eleem said you can just lose it to getting parried bruv

Can you imagine the pain

[chrome palm]

THAT is insane

Ngl

[warm marlin]

Giga DN in blades with SC gets parried and not only do you lose infinite damage but your hero tree turns off

Yeah ok

[west tide]

i hate deathstalker shit fucked me up so bad on fuckin silken court

[chrome palm]

Yeah that is I guess unplayable actually

I didn’t really know that

[west tide]

like i had to just wait cause i know that mf was gonna phase and i couldnt generate enough finishers to get the darkest sshit up in time

[warm marlin]

I don’t think it’s ever time dn gets parried

But one of the many ds bugs

[chrome palm]

I mean a bug like that stops you from playing it on pure st for prog

Reminds me of the coup bug tho

Did you ever get that one

[warm marlin]

Where it just doesn’t work? No

[chrome palm]

That one is crazy too

I wonder if it’s still in the game

[warm marlin]

Also I swear you get parried way more on prog before optimized strats

Like genuinely doubt ds is even better for that reason

[chrome palm]

I thought I looked at one point

[warm marlin]

Bad mechanic!

[chrome palm]

What is it, maybe 3-5% of attacks are parried if from in front?

[warm marlin]

thought it was 5% always

But imagine Dimensius

[chrome palm]

Unless it’s rupture for assa

That shit gets parried like half the time I swear

[warm marlin]

ye that thing is 50% parry yep

Sbs moment

[chrome palm]

Ok not just me lol

[keen dome]

I can't wait to RAID.

[warm marlin]

Press rupture -> brain lag when no sbs cp

[chrome palm]

The dn thing makes sense though because as assa I remember dn not going off on parries sometimes

But I swore it consumed it

Just the envenom goes off

If this is the same bug as that

It’s not super rare I feel

[warm marlin]

If it’s wrong to play trick on st then I’m just playing the sandbagging long game

Literal win win

[chrome palm]

Sub in theory

Should be like the worst class for heroic week since our tier is the best upgrade

[warm marlin]

Guidon is also soo good

[chrome palm]

That too

And also just knowing when adds spawn

[warm marlin]

Ye now that you can’t hold sectec

It might be a bloodbath

my main is in first split

Demon alt from hell with the rng of the gods is gonna be a terror

[chrome palm]

hahaha

[warm marlin]

did you see this fella

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kF2JVTzSg3qAa9piW3ae5m

[chrome palm]

That’s a crazy pre raid sim for sub

[fallow ingot]

dude slapped some upgrades i see

[warm marlin]

This char had 3 slots left after first week of m0 and was full geared with 5 pieces to trade after week 2

Loot every boss pov

and 90s on use + 250 saptor

[chrome palm]

Are you using renown trinket outside of simming for fun

[warm marlin]

Main guy has it on

im just guessing that saptor and 90s flask are better for that guy

[chrome palm]

Hmm I wouldn’t be so sure

Especially flask

[warm marlin]

robot left us to dry

What can do

[chrome palm]

W sandbag though

The did some bugfix on that trinket today too

For melee

[keen dome]

I've been trying to use the Vessel of Tormented Souls and oh my god the pickup graphic makes it unsuable.

[chrome palm]

I know like ww didn’t proc it a lot idk about rogue

[warm marlin]

yeah I’m sure it’s good

[warm marlin]

Ninjarobot was testing it extensively and it seemed a bit bricked

[native zodiac]

That 90s trinket simmed p dogshit for me

[chrome palm]

Before or after hotfixes?

[fair anchor]

You can queue LFR as a premade 25man group ?

[warm marlin]

I’m literally just guessing since the sim doesn’t work, surely a 90s on use is good even if it is understatted

[keen dome]

Yep

[warm marlin]

ye idk

[mint creek]

just a quick questio... we pair a 2min trinket every time with shadowblades and if yes only every second blades or we delay blades for it?

[warm marlin]

I could free upgrade my renown trinket and play it instead

Not sure

[fair anchor]

Cheers, does faction matters ? Or is it ok as long as you're all in guild ?

[warm marlin]

Before

[chrome palm]

Yeah…

[keen dome]

As long as you have a full group to queue with (Which is 30, iirc, not 25), you can queue together.

[native zodiac]

Sapling + the cavern soul trinket was best for my guys usually

[keen dome]

Otherwise it won't let you cross-faction LFR.

[warm marlin]

I have no idea why it looks like this btw

Cd drift must go crazy over iterations

[keen dome]

Soul trinket is very good but the sim assumes you are picking the souls up ASAP which is uh, um. Yeah good luck.

[chrome palm]

I assumed it just took a bigger average of time for burst

[native zodiac]

Im battle trained from dogshit trinkets in the past

[chrome palm]

And thus smoothed out dance spikes

[keen dome]

It's somehow worse though, lmao

[chrome palm]

There should be basically zero cd drift right?

[warm marlin]

Like this was that character in actual gameplay (wasn’t playing the 90s yet)

[warm marlin]

weird things can happen

[chrome palm]

Yeah I saw that sim earlier

Where the robot just used secret technique outside of dance

[proper eagle]

SD+Storm optimization fuu mentioned in wowhead does not applied yet?
I see bot deals without casting SS.

[chrome palm]

That nonplussed me

[native zodiac]

@warm marlin you boys public logging hc/normal so i can yoink timers

[warm marlin]

I am criminally underprepared

Idk if u want my timers

[native zodiac]

Gg

[warm marlin]

But ya we public log until mythic

[chrome palm]

Do you guys think Atrophic might fall off on vorasius

If you take too long to kill adds

Just a thought

They should make that last 1 min

Why is my raid debuff 10s long

Are they trying to say something about rogues

[warm marlin]

Enjoy the brez prio bucko

Monks and dhs have their buff up forever

No need to get em up

[chrome palm]

I realized this on last boss of taz

If you stand in place to do the mechanic atro falls off before the hard hitting dot goes out

[jaunty heath]

Gotta stress test it with method before doing own raid 😄

[warm marlin]

This guy wasn’t stacking sht and backstabbing the shield for coup stacks

Crazy

[chrome palm]

I was being well behaved for hard mode

😇

[warm marlin]

I kidneyed the dragon boss 3 weeks in a row

turns out he doesn’t have kidneys

[chrome palm]

Did you try using cold blood on the kidney

You shared that tech with me before

[warm marlin]

[chrome palm]

Midnight subs don’t know this tech

[warm marlin]

This picture just makes me sad now

I miss all those buttons

[chrome palm]

Bingus u might’ve gotten cold blood removed with this one

[stoic anchor]

I love this bully terminology. onl real gs played sub when it was bad. it's about time we have some arrogance

[chrome palm]

I’m changing guidons icon to flag and larping as SL sub rogue

[stoic anchor]

I swear in s3 tww in like 250 games from 2.1k to 2.4k i never ever saw any sub in solo shuffle. now If I que a bg out of 10 players 4 are rogues.

it's time we are elitist

[warm marlin]

wait guidon even drops a flag

[chrome palm]

It does

[warm marlin]

it’s a sign

[chrome palm]

And maybe ds

I was thinking you could do guidon before blades

Like when you used to use flag

[light hull]

Rogues I have one doubt in the ST rotation, during Shadow Blades I stack a lot of Shadow Techniques stacks, what makes me do a lot of Shadowstrike overlap in order to proc Apex Talent.

Is there any limit to do that? Is always beneficial to proc Apex Talent? Sometimes I feel like I am pressing less Eviscerates that I should, but not really sure

[warm marlin]

I’m not seeing the value but it’s also 5am

[chrome palm]

Behold, a sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[fallow ingot]

Why tf is vorasius dagger bis over belo'ren's one ?

[stoic anchor]

lol

[narrow shadow]

What time does the US raid beta testing begin?

Curious on the class performances after changes

[chrome palm]

The us premium EarlyStart™ begins at 2pm et

[warm marlin]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[narrow shadow]

Which timezone of european time?

[chrome palm]

Et - eastern time (us)

Don’t know what this is in eu 🧍‍♂️

[olive canyon]

that includes daylight savings

[ionic star]

Did anyone know how does the talent “Deepning Shadows” works?

[olive canyon]

2pm eastern is -5 GMT and -6 Central euro time

[molten citrus]

huh

it extends dance based on haste

[olive canyon]

so presuming no delays US servers should be up at 7pm GMT or 8pm Euro central time

edit: unless its daylight savings then just minus 1

[ionic star]

Yet but I want to know the specific calculation formula.

[molten citrus]

should just be 150%*haste

[warm marlin]

The raw stat number of haste you have (not including % buffs like alacrity or lust) converts to a certain % of haste, which is multiplied by 1.5 (so x haste = 10% excluding other buffs * 1.5 = 15%, then multiply base dance duration by 1.15)

As an example

[reef walrus]

multiply by 1.15 no?

[warm marlin]

er yes

[north schooner]

multiply by 15

permadance

[warm marlin]

It’s late ok

[hollow spear]

Is it

[north schooner]

it's morning wdym

[hollow spear]

It's 10.42 mate

[reef walrus]

feels weird to say it's late when I just started working a bit over an hour ago

even though I know that it's different time zones

[hollow spear]

Muricans smh

[warm marlin]

I will smoke you on wordle for this

[hollow spear]

Are you guys intentionally on the demon hours?

There's nothing to do rn

[keen dome]

Maybe rogue's just fear Midnight

[hollow spear]

Possibly

They probably just can't sleep because whenever they do, they have nightmares about disappearing marks or being forced to single target the boss on deathstalker

[warm marlin]

I’ve done 2 all nighters recently trying to get ahead in grad school so I can have lots of time once mythic/m+ drops

[hollow spear]

Holy

If I did all nighters to study, I'd be anything but ahead

But maybe that's me being too oldge

[warm marlin]

I don’t really have coursework it’s all project based

No studying

[hollow spear]

Gotcha. You're doing a master's degree then or a PhD?

[warm marlin]

Just masters for now!

[keen dome]

🙏 hell yeah grad school

What'cha working towards? Like, subjectwise

[tribal blade]

no wonder why we got so many brainiacs in here

[ionic star]

@molten citrus @warm marlin oh thanks. It bothering me for a while

[warm marlin]

Pathology

[keen dome]

Damn, that's rad.

I hope the grad work goes smoooooth

[upper hemlock]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[brazen forge]

wtf

rog full bug

[hollow spear]

any class full bug

[hallow matrix]

Is there a particular reason both the wowhead and icyveins guide suggest belt as the second craft? are wrists/belts 1 to 1?

[hollow spear]

belt is eventually the bis slot

for the first craft you should just craft whatever suits your current situation best/sim it

[hallow matrix]

yeah that's cool ty

went weapon first craft

but im gonna send a second craft pretty early

[hollow spear]

the American medical school thing is still a mystery to me

[hallow matrix]

so trying to get ahead and work out what im doing

[hollow spear]

bit heard to get ahead with crafts since gear acquisition influences what you want to craft

[native zodiac]

2nd boss also drops a crit/haste wrists

[west arch]

What stats would you put on the dagger if you want to play some bosses with subtlety and others assa kill, haste, or haste mastery?

[hollow spear]

I will probably either send my 2nd spark craft after I've cleared normal/heroic raids or wait until mythic week

[hollow spear]

probably haste/crit if you need haste or mastery/crit if you don't need haste

[native zodiac]

You can also craft it in a pvp wrists/belt slam a socket into it and it prob just as good as a normal/hc one

And see what drops in mythic

Thats what im doing atleast

[hollow spear]

That implies that I'll do pvp

[native zodiac]

Fair

[hollow spear]

(hell no I won't)

[vast basin]

Larias guides says this:
A weapon with an embellishment. You should craft it now for a boost going into N/H week then recraft it with Myth Crests on the 24/25th. If you do this, you only need to hold 80 Veteran Crests.

what do i need to hold 80 veteran crests for?

[keen dome]

Crafting a second item with an embellishment I guess

[hollow spear]

Looking forward to hearing from NA if our buffs and nerfs are the "full" version or the "we forgot half of it" version

[keen dome]

Same.

[vale pine]

best is to wait for a craft

like

dagger

and then do normal/heroic

and see whichever slot you want to fill

so like belt/boots/bracers likely

[keen dome]

that's my plan. I'll do my second craft on whatever slot I need the most after my vault on the 25th

[hallow matrix]

yeah i guess i'll do taht

[vast basin]

yeah but thts the 2nd spark right?

[hallow matrix]

yea

[vast basin]

i want to craft from veteran crest before norm/hc raid so ihave a 2nd embelishment

right?

[narrow shadow]

Not cloak?

I always did cloak

[fiery fog]

the second embellishment is arcanoweave right

[marble sail]

maybe

👁️

[atomic meteor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vast basin]

also there is no reason to hold veteran crest after craft right? i can just send it before raid?

[marble sail]

u can minmax with the new worldtour

get 1 free level or so on the champ gear

[hallow matrix]

So deathstalker sims highest for ST, is that a specifically pure ST thing? Most of the bosses seem to have adds, is it better to play trickster? or just slam DS?

[marble sail]

trickster is better on cleave

[fiery fog]

its one target only

as soon as you have some adds trickster is better

[hallow matrix]

Okay and 90% of the raid has adds

[fiery fog]

yep

[hallow matrix]

so we're basically just trickster all raid

[fiery fog]

honestly

[marble sail]

nah i think u can play DS on like 3-4 bosses, some cleave is not needed

[fiery fog]

ds only has one more thing to track and thats darkest night

in a pure st encounter thats quite alright

[lilac stag]

Don’t be surprised to see DS on fights where our add dmg isn’t needed

[marble sail]

but the pad

[fiery fog]

but the guide says bp at 2 targets!

[marble sail]

fake propaganda by the sub overlords so they can 100 log by themselves

[lilac stag]

And that has what all to do with anything?

[hallow matrix]

is the trickster raid build the build you'd want for fights with adds? or are there tweaks needed?

[fiery fog]

being a joke to tell your raid you absolutely have to use bp

[cinder zenith]

yo can use the pvp token to craft 246/249 item

[lilac stag]

You actually thinking anyone else on your raid team has a clue about rogue let alone sub is the real joke.

[marble sail]

i was gonna be a pi target untill i told em dont

[fiery fog]

thats why you tell them you have to do it. since nobody knows what rogue does anyway

[lilac stag]

they also don’t fking care

[marble sail]

im lucky i have a gm that asks me ''hey can ur class do this''

[hallow matrix]

hopefully some of the gigachads raid super early on wednesday and i can just yoink all their builds

[hollow spear]

until prio targets don't die, then they do

[hallow matrix]

per boss

[fiery fog]

i mean. it was just a joke. there is no need to look for further implications of what your raid does and doesnt lmao

[marble sail]

trickster is safe for everything

but DS is cooler

[vestal relic]

gtfo

[hollow spear]

I would like to further dissect your joke

[vestal relic]

i'm not switching out of trickster

[valid tartan]

trickster so you can pull adds onto the healers while clearing trash

[marble sail]

we dont care what u do honestly 🔥

[hollow spear]

big raid lead will make you switch

it's all a big conspiracy

ds sub or no loot

[marble sail]

cant wait for dagger to drop and surv get it

[vestal relic]

ill play outlaw

problem solved

not playing DS ever on any spec

[hollow spear]

holy heck, I forgot that I switched to assa before logging out yesterday and had a heart attack when my UI was completely cursed

[vestal relic]

badly design shit should be called out more

and not, ho but its stonger so play it

[marble sail]

its crazy how personal preferences work

[vestal relic]

remember outlaw killing spree trickster

that shit should have been fixed in days

[distant sage]

just play trickster its only 2% behind on pure st

[vestal relic]

it took months

[distant sage]

and its better in cleave

[fiery fog]

my own preferences are way more important than all of yours ofc

[marble sail]

ur personal preferences is WRONG AND INCORRECT

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809

[hollow spear]

does anyone of you still have this "spam protection" macro that we had with symbols last season?

need it for feint, which I bound to my mousewheel

[void ocean]

isnt feint on gcd?

[fiery fog]

no

[hollow spear]

not anymore

[marble sail]

feint best defensive

[void ocean]

when was it removed

from gcd

[hollow spear]

tww s2 or 3

been a while

[void ocean]

didnt even notice lol

[vestal relic]

best change since df rework imo

[hollow spear]

you probably didnt use it, admit it

[void ocean]

naa i probably overuse it

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[lilac stag]

Yoink away

[void ocean]

i tend to use it without elusiveness on direct dmg just in case xD

feels safer

[hollow spear]

I tend to need cheat death for the odd pull where I fall asleep at the wheel

[void ocean]

well its a cd

[hollow spear]

it's to protect me from the eternal rage of my raid team

[void ocean]

cds r there to be used otherwise wasted talent

[hollow spear]

true

big ground aoe incoming, but you can squeeze 2 seconds out of your dance?

better make use of cheat death

[void ocean]

healers problem

[hollow spear]

what about my macro tho 🙁

[void ocean]

we r there to do dps and chew bubble gum

its like castsequence reset=1 feint, null, smth like that

[tropic field]

guys, can anyone help me out with what im doing wrong?

according to sim Shadowstrike is suppose to be top dmg but for me its 3rd

[reef walrus]

do you have a log?

[tropic field]

nope

but i just found out the issue

[vestal relic]

without log its hard to say

but i guess you don't press it enough

[tropic field]

details shows 2 different shadowstrike, didnt know that

[vestal relic]

that too x)

[tropic field]

while sim shows 1

so if i combine those 2 its my top dmg

lol

[hollow spear]

on what planet does sim say shadowstrike is top damage?

[marble sail]

send simulation

[tropic field]

hmm

[hollow spear]

that's just a standard 5min patchwerk

[marble sail]

why scared of sending simulation

[tropic field]

can it have something to do with my level? i just simmed for fun at lvl 88

[hollow spear]

dude

sim yourself

[marble sail]

no

[hollow spear]

no sim should ever show shadowstrike as top damage

[tropic field]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1tntjKRQQN5jcxTyWCa892

[limpid sage]

no it's because he doesn't have apex

[vestal relic]

level 88 with no apx

[hollow spear]

lmao

[limpid sage]

there's no check for apex 4

[lilac stag]

Holy Jesus. Hit 90

[limpid sage]

so it always hits !buff.ancient_arts.up

[tropic field]

hahah

[limpid sage]

aohajin pointed it out the other day in tc-research xd

[vestal relic]

API designed for 90

[red flame]

“Lower level characters are not well supported. Invalid results or errors are possible.”

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/words-are-hard-big-bang-gif-7470253

[tropic field]

thats why i asked if my lvl had something to do with it but you said no!

[red flame]

Also like scAth said idk why we’re simming below max lvl 😭

That’s diabolical

[tropic field]

i just did for lols

[hollow spear]

no comment

[graceful crown]

[tropic field]

atleast i learned something 😉

[red flame]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[marble sail]

https://tenor.com/view/hoodlife-sss-gif-27336243

[fallow nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lilac stag]

and this is how Tuesday is starting. 🙈 🔫

[vale pine]

cloak can work too, its low stat budget

[red flame]

Lmaoooo

[median nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/hilarious-hey-gif-9959410

[hollow spear]

Why does my sim not use shadow blades? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s3m36GDJUtoiMye7fdwaLR

(it's a joke, please don't cook my ass)

[woeful rain]

we play around danse macabre any way or not worth it?

[lilac stag]

to avoid nerfs (which has worked well the last two weeks)

[lilac stag]

Assuming you didn’t read either of the guides, or sub faq. No

[marble sail]

is there any stat changes from DS to tricky?

[vale pine]

🔺

[keen dome]

haha

[hallow matrix]

DS sims higher than Trickster on 2 targets https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mULjf1TKC9eLE4enXPb9MX
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9mrEh4tTytUxCpha43y41S - what's the breakpoint in number of extra targets to go trickster instead of DS

[graceful crown]

shadowblades overrated

[marble sail]

keep simming and u will find out

[hallow matrix]

why do math if someone already math'd

[marble sail]

because the math seems useless 🔥

[hallow matrix]

u guys are the gurus, i'm just dumb dagger boy

[marble sail]

tricky is better on cleave

[hallow matrix]

how could knowing the number of targets that make a spec better be useless

that's silly

silly ratfart

[marble sail]

because where would u meet a 5 min cleave fight

(paladins dont count)

[hallow matrix]

any council

[marble sail]

yeah so just sim 3

😭

[hallow matrix]

if the number ends up being 7

then i have to sim 7 times

whereas someone in here might have done it already

it is more efficient to ask the question

if the people responding aren't u

clearly

[tropic field]

is the rotation any difference between DS and Trickster?

[marble sail]

there is no 7 target 5 min fight 😭

[hallow matrix]

god ur a dog

cba

[fiery fog]

the opener changes a bit

only slightly though

[tropic field]

but other then that its the same?

or similar

[fiery fog]

dance with storm on low cp

with DS

[lilac stag]

sub sucks on cleave. enjoy!

[fiery fog]

and trigger apex on darkest night too

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization:

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have Darkest Night up OR A supercharged combo point? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).

[tropic field]

thanks

[fiery fog]

5 mins on a dummy and youre set ngl

[tropic field]

it sounds a bit complicated but i guess you're right

[fiery fog]

its less complicated than it sounds

or reads

[tropic field]

yeah probably, might check a youtube video or something

[sacred yarrow]

are there any rn?

[narrow shadow]

It has basically no cleave. Only Sectech and nimble flurry

[steep loom]

do we just send dagger craft

[cosmic dust]

I would assume that we check out liquid and stuff today/tomorrow and just copy what they do no?

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq
The major difference is starting with dance+storm instead of dance+sectech

[keen dome]

You can do. Worst case is it will become your OH.

[modest river]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

I would probably just read up on the fights to learn them.

[lilac stag]

Craft a dagger with spark either haste/mastery or haste/crit if you plan to play outlaw.

Craft a second item with veteran crests for a non spark item and put an embellishment on it.

[tough umbra]

For peeps with raid today, what’s the most efficient use of time from the time that servers come up to raid later tonight? M0’s? Prey’s?

[fallow rampart]

Guys we have black bars only after getting Ancient Arts? I mean I’m 80 and now I can’t see cdg like on streams sub rogues

[lilac stag]

That’s at 90

Last apex

[fallow rampart]

Ah okay ty

[marble sail]

dosnt sub also use same stats?

or is this outlaw tech

[lilac stag]

What?

[marble sail]

nvm

[pearl swan]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble sail]

i read that as use either or if u plan on playing outlaw

[fallow rampart]

But black bars showing CDG ye? Or I miss something

[lilac stag]

Last apex

[steep loom]

once prog is over i'd probably play outlaw. but for prog i believe full sub would be the play

[cosmic dust]

Sorry i forgot to tag the dagger craft question, was ment to be for that

[keen dome]

Oooh, haha. Sorry.

[cosmic dust]

Yeah I was too fast typing haha

[keen dome]

Although I don't think we should just copy what Liquid do 'cos they play at such a different level with a different approach

[lilac stag]

Haste crit is still very good for sub. Mastery is just shit for outlaw.

[lilac stag]

Sending no spark isn’t the play.

[fallow rampart]

fml, now I’m not understand because I saw it always when CDG rdy

[steep loom]

Guess we'll play hunt as our embelishment

[lilac stag]

Do everything that gets you champion gear easily

[keen dome]

Making a dagger is very low risk, and realistically unless you got double Mythic dagger drop week 2 of the season, you aren't going to waste the craft.

[cosmic dust]

But would you say its wrong to copy the crafts they do? Or do they just wait for myth and craft then, are there any expectations?

[keen dome]

And even then you can use it OH for embellishment because OH damage is absolutely neligable

[hollow spear]

Do we know if the veteran crests for m0 completion also reset daily now? Now = from the reset onwards

[keen dome]

Well, are you raiding world first? Then you might wanna copy them. Otherwise you should probably just maximize ilevel, esp on your most impactful slot.

[sharp peak]

Just read the guide that fuu put blood sweat and tears into. Then you don’t have these same questions over and over

[hollow spear]

Copying anything that RWF raiders do is probably cooked for the most part, they have way different means than we mere mortals have

[lilac stag]

You do whatever you want.
Don’t ever assume streamers doing RWF are showing all the tech they actually believe in during prep week(s)

[keen dome]

I need to find the image

[tough umbra]

Do you have a list of what that is?

[lilac stag]

This one?

This one?

[cosmic dust]

yeah ur both correct, I just wait till tomorrow after I ran all m0s and craft a dagger then prob. Thanks for the help!!

[lilac stag]

The doggos?

[marble sail]

2 dawgs

[keen dome]

I like the doggos one

but no, this one: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1477900048468676649/image.png?ex=69ba37ad&is=69b8e62d&hm=02a3af5a77a6ea742d6fd65eb3bd191dd51cfceff9715798c8a1df619810af68&

[tough umbra]

Thank you!

[eternal abyss]

In that order

[lilac stag]

What’s cracked is SV hunters can spend crests on a 2H and both their 1H are free upgrades.

[eternal abyss]

Because by the time you reach step 5 you will have lots of coffer keys for your 8 tier delves

[lilac stag]

I shoulda went SV

[tough umbra]

Hell ya. Appreciate the help. I’m still not high enough to unlock Noghtmare Prey though that blows.

[cosmic dust]

Whats the fastest way to level the prey shit? I saw its just 50rep for one? Or how does it work correctly

[marble sail]

u get 1000 per pray u do but its only for the first 4

[cosmic dust]

ahhhhhh got it, I was a bit like but now it makes sense

Is it accountcapped?

[marble sail]

yes

if u didnt do it each week u will be behind on rep i believe

[cosmic dust]

damn thanks for the info!

[fallow rampart]

Can someone explain what should I do when up apex talent with black bars ? Can’t understand. Just use top prio finisher ?

[hollow spear]

Didn't you just say you're level 80?

[fallow rampart]

Ye but I want learn before anyway

I watching guides and something

[lilac stag]

It unlocks this week. You have to run the storyline

[lilac stag]

Nothing. It’ll change by the time you hit 90

[tribal anchor]

why does ds prefer going into dance with low cp? my sim still uses secret technique as first global most of the time

[fallow rampart]

Wdym, I should not care about shadow technique stacks ?

[lilac stag]

Storm is good with DS

Not now no. The rules have changed 3 times in 10 days

Just hit 90

[keen dome]

Worry about it once you've finished leveling and can practice and play around it.

[arctic heart]

im level 3 in preys, but i did a SHIT TON of prey, someone is ahead? i wont any exp from that random prey 😐

[keen dome]

You can't get Season 4 on Prey until the reset. This'll unlock Nightmare hunts.

[arctic heart]

oh thank god.

[fallow rampart]

It’s like chess, u can play it in ur head)

[still gazelle]

What are these Crest upgrade tips? I've already upgraded a ton of stuff.

[keen dome]

Probably just saving to upgrade pieces you don't replace.

[eternal abyss]

Basically saving Adventure/Veteran for overlaps with Champ gear for free upgrades

[modest river]

upgrade the tier under the tier you are upgrading to max, gives you free upgrades for the first or second level

[modest river]

i.e overlap

[exotic steeple]

What about the craft?

90% dagger i know

Did someone craft alr

[tribal anchor]

i understand that and have read the explanations for the macros but in a 5 min sim storm got pressed 1 time. possibly a stat issue on my char or something else?

[lilac stag]

Idk. No idea what has actually been pushed to the apl that’s live already. Welcome to new expansion sims and changes.

[tribal anchor]

no worries, thanks

[lilac stag]

DS was largely “ignored” until this week

so now it’s getting looked at more

whatever they actually push today will change stuff again

[red flame]

Imagine all the bugs still persist

Actually not that hard to imagine

[lilac stag]

when you have 4828 spell ids for every ability because of shadow dmg it’s a crap shoot of what they remember to flag.

[red flame]

Blizz trying to figure out what went wrong (they’re def not qualified)

[lilac stag]

We’re in a much better position bug wise than we typically are. So this is w/e

[haughty mural]

Kids are spoiled these days

Smh my head

[lilac stag]

[tribal blade]

ok what's the most efficient thing to do on reset given i have between 3-4 hours to play before raid

[still gazelle]

I already upgraded the piss out of things because I had plenty, shouldn't this cover it?

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing world boss, delves and the weekly events maybe?

[warped zodiac]

!fuu

[lilac stag]

Weeklies, World Boss, LFR, Preys Then Delves.

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

ahh yeah preys

[lilac stag]

LfR maybe not time efficient.

[tribal blade]

nah i can't, have to save myself for my raid team

it's way more efficient to go in as a full raid

we do it every tier

[lilac stag]

We’re too split between alliance and horde

[tribal blade]

ah that sucks

stupid system still

[lilac stag]

mmhm

[tribal blade]

that horde and ally can't group

we go in there as a full guild and then need roll on everything against the pugs haha

then our loot council goes over the loot

[lilac stag]

maybe run a zero for trinket

basically just get champ gear

[tribal blade]

maybe yeah

but m0s are lower on the priority right?

[wet anvil]

preys will drop heroic crests?

[tribal blade]

compared to the weekly stuff

[lilac stag]

yes m0 lowest

[tribal blade]

actually not sure what nightmare prey drops exactly

is it x2 champ or hero track gear

[lilac stag]

You get champ gear

[tribal blade]

cool

[lilac stag]

Crests on beta were vet

dunno if that changed

[tribal blade]

vet crests are big to get too

[swift tinsel]

Can’t wait to get my shit pushed in by the delve boss

[tribal blade]

oh what lvl delve drops the max gear on bountiful

[wet anvil]

8 no?

[swift tinsel]

8 is gear, 12 is crests

[tribal blade]

sick

[swift tinsel]

Champ track, then hero with map

[grand wyvern]

but there is no myth crests in heroic week so i assume there is no reaso nto push over 8

[swift tinsel]

Nope

[tribal blade]

yeah no myth crests

jesus another question lol, if you've maxed out preys this week do we immediately get the questline to unlock nightmare

[swift tinsel]

Plus 8’s are super easy so low time investment vs 12’s being 30-40ilvl below max at least

[modest river]

Rank 4 on prey unlocks nightmare

[swift tinsel]

We were wondering this too

[modest river]

so if youre there then yes

[tribal blade]

mmm ok

[swift tinsel]

Aren’t we hard locked at 3 until todayv

?

[tribal blade]

i think so

[small vortex]

ye im pretty sure its 3

[swift tinsel]

So maybe you do your 3 or 4 Hard to unlock it

[tribal blade]

i've done a ton of hard preys so i'm definitely at the max

[small vortex]

then you run like 4x any hunts and unlock nightmare

[swift tinsel]

Same

[modest river]

sorry, i just know its 4 XD

[small vortex]

then run 2x nightmare for gear

iirc

[tribal blade]

ok cool

[swift tinsel]

Yeah it’s def 4 that unlocks nightmare just a question of unlocking 4 lol

But ye probs just do your Hard hunts and that’ll unlock it

Will find out in six hours lol

[small vortex]

yessir

[tribal blade]

i'm sleeping soon 🙂

the joys of playing on NA but not living in that time zone

[small vortex]

ggs

[tribal blade]

means i usually wake up to the start of seasons late

[grand wyvern]

you can also enjoy extended manteinance

[tribal blade]

lol could very well happen

1 last thing, in that image it says silvermoon weeklies, those are the special event thing right

[honest void]

ye

just ur 4 zone thingies

[tribal blade]

the runestone and daily quests

cool

[honest void]

cause u want keys for bountifuls

[tribal blade]

tight

[honest void]

man I hope the delve boss is hard enough that 4000 people don't kill it EU before I finish doing everything I need day 1

[tribal blade]

i have no interest in doing that thank god

[honest void]

oh i got big interest, it's fun to do early rather than later

the HoF ass title for it is just icing on the top

[hollow spear]

ig that depends on how hard it is mechanically

maybe it's a pushover

[honest void]

yeah that's what I fear

cause then I kinda have to just send it then

since EU will know the boss after NA

[hollow spear]

but if it's a pushover then people probably won't care about the "prestige" of the title

[honest void]

i mean the prestige is being top 4000 i guess

[grand wyvern]

there is a difference when top 4000 means you are good or it means you are fast

[honest void]

but obviously if it's like tank and spank is the strat to kill the boss then ofc it kinda feels empty

but hey free title

[vague garnet]

Do you craft the dagger now? Or are you waiting to see how things change still?

[honest void]

if u want to

[modest river]

its mostly a safe bet since your embelish is on it, and it can always go into your offhand later when you get a mythic dagger, giving you a strong boost to output next week and start of mythic + and mythic raids

you can still wait to see if you want tho

[vast basin]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.

[vast basin]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target / Mythic+: Mastery >= `Haste(~18%, roughly 650-700)` > `Critical Strike` > Versatility

[odd jacinth]

have yall been sending crests already?

[blissful spindle]

Yep

[vale pine]

pre raid crests are fairly low in use case once the raid is open

[odd jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-kitty-cute-wiggle-shimmy-gif-12669258

[swift tinsel]

so excited to actually have content to do

man

two weeks of 'prep' felt like an eternity lol

[honest void]

ngl i enjoyed 2 weeks of prep

cause cba levelling during season

[small vortex]

i enjoyed 2 weeks of playing poe

[swift tinsel]

me with RE9 lol

[bleak night]

Me when I immediately go do delve nemesis instead of prepping for raid

[swift tinsel]

though my consumable stockpiling is well underway, and this is probs the first xpac since maybe legion or bfa I didn't have every class at max level befor raid release

[swift tinsel]

lmao this is exactly what I'm doing

my 242 rat ass is gonna get his shit pushed in

[bleak night]

My valeera is only 30

But should be good enough

[swift tinsel]

mine is 15

[bleak night]

Just my own skill holding me back

[swift tinsel]

I spent all my delve time doing Calamitous which was like zero xp

for her

[bleak night]

I have a dk ready in case its overtuned and auto attacks me to death

[swift tinsel]

one bazillion xp for me

lmao yeah I've got the dk dh and monk jic

[bleak night]

I did the ritual interrupted story a bunch

[swift tinsel]

whats that

oh nvm delve story

[bleak night]

In atal aman yeah

[swift tinsel]

sorry been awake for like 30mins lol

[bleak night]

Same

[swift tinsel]

updating sheet for today

so I know when I can start selling them lol

[bleak night]

I was lazy and didn't stock up

Just have some augment runes to sell off