subtlety

[stray oyster]

It is a sub tier

they made no changes to the other specs and sin and combat are pooty right now

[jaunty heath]

@warm marlin i was kinda suprised they touched only sub which seesm to be the raid spec before it anyway.

[strange chasm]

Yeah it is pretty insane outlaw and sin get nothing and sub gets stuff

[warm marlin]

ye weird for them to not buff the other 2

[gilded wadi]

did u see your auto-attacks dmg in details?

[warm marlin]

historically they do seem kinda afraid of outlaw in heroic week

but assa idk

[jaunty heath]

i have my theory, they simple dont want to spent resources on rogues more so they just tuned one spec which is going to be played

[frail kindle]

ik autos crank and thats one of the stupidest changes they made going into midnight

[tough knot]

Our scaling isn't that bad anymore where we need to start a lot stronger

[astral axle]

[elfin pendant]

whoooo baby

[delicate salmon]

well i aint swapping to a 2 button rotation

[hazy breach]

Announced changes for march 17th.
Quick napkin math:

• Seems to be about a 6% buff for pure ST.
• About a 15% nerf for big AoE situations.
• Comparing it to some dungeon logs from Beta shows around a 8-10% nerf to overall, depending a bit on the dungeon.

These changes, alongside some bugfixes seem to have put Deathstalker back on the table for pure ST. However it falls off very rapidly compared to Trickster once you add more targets, so practically anything that has adds you most likely want to stick with Trickster.

[spiral needle]

how many targets is big AoE considered

[swift tinsel]

now they just gotta fix potent powder clones

offset a lil bit

[left peak]

🥀

[jaunty heath]

maybe it change mastery value too

[plush roost]

Thats my theory they did already

So its a neutral

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[plush roost]

Or, less than 15%

[swift tinsel]

would hope at least

[hazy breach]

Ye mastery goes from being the best by far to being the best by far

[jaunty heath]

in raid

[swift tinsel]

bdk buffs lets gooo

[hazy breach]

Well its buffing the other sources of ST damage too

So i dont think it matters much, but sure

[faint quail]

so we send a dagger craft im assuming now

[lament ravine]

Anyone have a link to ST sims for rogue? I know we just got changed, just wanna see what it was prior to changes

[jaunty heath]

no, you still wait for last minute outlaw rescue buff

[mellow magnet]

What happen with 2-3 targets boss? Can we play sub?

[faint quail]

i wish outlaw buff but no chance

[warm marlin]

@chrome palm thoughts brotherman

is it still outlaw tier

[gilded wadi]

so it's W for raid right?

[frail kindle]

outlaw might not be bad actually

[fair raptor]

Fuck assa am I right guys haha

[hazy breach]

Not even sure its good ngl. We got significantly worse at what we were good at (burst pad) in exchange for a minor ST buff

[faint quail]

for m+ outlaw still good i think

[chrome palm]

are you sure

[honest void]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[barren wolf]

guys

[honest void]

tbf could be worse

[wintry elm]

the change are good or bad¿

[barren wolf]

how over is ir

[willow pawn]

Rogue is legit dead in M+ ngl

[honest void]

could have been s1 TWW fury warrior

[chrome palm]

next tier brother

[honest void]

and get ur burst nerfed and 0 st tuning

[chrome palm]

outlaw next tier

[willow pawn]

No damage, no aoe stops, no buff

It’s joe over

[inland glacier]

have simulation for ST?

[plush roost]

Mm hunter took our burst aoe niche

[rich canopy]

The weirdest thing about the change is that it puts Sub in line with Outlaw in single target

[steel zinc]

yeah nerf to much in aoe

[near rivet]

i wonder how precise it is, who needs simming

[steel zinc]

idk

[graceful rock]

its just doing calculator math

[chrome palm]

if strike got buffed so much i wonder if forcing apex is better than before

[native crag]

how da fuq is sub the only rogue spec to see a buff? so weird

[long sun]

wow sub rogue is in

[hallow basalt]

there is only one rogue spec that exists at one time

[teal coral]

sorry for doubting your giga doom on the tier list stream king you were actually a prophet all along

[spiral needle]

dev needs to work over the weekend to figure out sin buffs by monday

[tame terrace]

damn

[hazy breach]

When changes are as simple as these are yes that is how you do it

[tribal blade]

yes sub only got buffed sure

[faint quail]

the devs left at lunch today theres no chance

[warm marlin]

I do think this is true

pretty sure sub was better off pre tuning

[tribal blade]

HELLO THIS IS PROPHET

[warm marlin]

but it also makes it a lot less likely to get murdered after heroic week so it's ok

[marble sail]

Worst take known to man kind

[leaden prairie]

it doesnt matter its raid for now

then in 4 weeks maybe they do m+ tuning

(they never do m+ tuning)

[near rivet]

We still might see some possible gains in rotational changes, right?

[tardy spear]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[hazy breach]

I would not be holding my breath

[true citrus]

wtf you can combine coup and bp?

[barren plume]

ST buff aoe nerf... lame leave our aoe alone

[leaden prairie]

whatdehelly

what is this hack

[long sun]

yo is ur name actually graham?

[leaden prairie]

no its prophet

[tribal blade]

it is!

[alpine wraith]

big

[willow pawn]

Which Hunter spec we playing this season boys

[long sun]

yo me too

twinsies

[west tide]

it feels like cheatingso i use 2 binds for coup and powder still

[tribal blade]

YOOOOO

[leaden prairie]

wait graham is a name ?

[iron obsidian]

oh shit

[leaden prairie]

from where

[iron obsidian]

its my goat the digster

[visual lark]

fastest dagger craft in my career

[barren plume]

shaman and rogue, ill stick to my shitter classes

[tawny marlin]

Is this good

[chrome palm]

dont put shaman in rogue in the same sentence

[tribal blade]

yes it's a beautiful name

[solar kestrel]

unholy kneecapped, guess time to pivot fully into sub

[long sun]

why we snailing this poor guy

[barren plume]

why not

[tribal blade]

you should hear my full name, i sound like a prince

[random comet]

It’s a fun emote

[tribal blade]

it's nuts

[hazy breach]

Unholy probably still better

[warm marlin]

"kneecapped"

[leaden prairie]

from which country, i have never heard of it

[willow pawn]

Unholy went from top damage to top damage

[rich canopy]

Kneecapped -> Dropped from being the #1 DPS with 20% over the next highest to being the #1 DPS on par with the next highest

[tribal blade]

ok french man

[warped ferry]

ive seen this all before

[summer lynx]

I dont know why we got a nerf in AOE lol

[tribal blade]

i'll hit you with a baguette

[maiden oar]

me too

[chrome palm]

top damage invincible ranged dps is dead

[warped ferry]

cracked for prog

[honest void]

after the cracker brand?

[warped ferry]

cooked for rest of the tier

[maiden oar]

i sound like a vampire guy who lives in an evil castle

[tribal blade]

haha nice

[leaden prairie]

ok it was a genuine question wtf !

[ashen ibex]

Do I sell my grandma to buy sub gear ? Are we back ?

[warm marlin]

this feels canonical

[warped ferry]

dont its a trap

[honest void]

well it's more like in upper mid tier now iirc

[tribal blade]

oh haha mb, it's an english name

i think

[maiden oar]

[ashen ibex]

Hey grok are the buffs real ?

[willow pawn]

What hunter spec you playing this season?

[obtuse wharf]

Still outlaw tier?

[chrome palm]

+st -aoe not a big difference

[maiden oar]

u think this decreases the chance of playing 2x rogue on some random boss

[frail kindle]

outlaw tier

[maiden oar]

i told my raid lead that but i could be lying

[warm marlin]

idk maybe

[rich canopy]

If you take 20% off its simming DPS, it's around 114k. The only spec above it is Devastation at 115k, but it got nerfed, and the nerf isn't actually 20% because of the compensation

[warm marlin]

like honestly they didn't nerf sectec

[warped ferry]

not doing a single thing to sin or outlaw is hilarious tho

[stuck arrow]

I don't know that the AoE nerf is that bad, tbh.

[sullen hare]

Thank god we got more backstab damage. It was exactly what we needed

[warm marlin]

ur burst aoe is still good

who cares

[maiden oar]

yea

[ashen ibex]

13/13 classes 90 , just saying

[honest void]

the benefit of rogues being bad is getting to trial easier cause they all rerolled

[willow pawn]

0/13 of them are rogue

Good choice

[ashen ibex]

13 dks

KEKDOG

[willow pawn]

😂😂

[warped ferry]

all you need

actually need 1 more dk

[maiden oar]

ok i will keep good old grouch geared

in case there is 1 boss where 2x sub is big

[twin surge]

is this what you wanted 😄

[maiden oar]

ty bingus

[willow pawn]

Doesn’t assa sim lower than MW monk or something

Why no buffs

[warm marlin]

i am not legally accountable for that statemnt

[willow pawn]

🥹

[maiden oar]

oh i mean

[rich hornet]

Guys is this good or bad

[maiden oar]

its just like a week of chores basically

and then we see rwf comp

and i probably stay on devourer for all 9

[willow pawn]

Good for raid, Hunter for m+

[astral axle]

horrible abandon ship game over

[willow pawn]

😂

[warped ferry]

good st slightly bad aoe

[astral axle]

[true citrus]

why only sub changes lmao

[warm marlin]

i mean 4% to devourer is crazy

that is gonna be good

[frail kindle]

so like whats the point of even playing anything thats not an unholy dk when you do more damage than everybody youre unkillable you ride around on a horse and you do your entire rotation from ranged

[jagged bear]

cause sin is in a perfect spot rn

[dire jolt]

I've had a blast on sub, but everyone keeps telling me it sucked.

[willow pawn]

That’s the point

[hazy breach]

Id say 20% reduced damage on our aoe abilities is a bit more than slightly, but what do i know

[willow pawn]

You don’t play anything else

[warped ferry]

sin giga broken everybody should play it

[frail kindle]

like should i just level my dk up right now am i wasting my time lmfao

[fiery fog]

the aoe nerf seems kinda brutal tbh

[maiden oar]

its boring bc u cant play putrefy

[willow pawn]

They saw sub in M0s and decided it’s too much

[distant sage]

werent most classes nerft in aoe no?

[jaunty heath]

small adds spawn, press sectech = same dmg

[hard trellis]

wow just like that sub is dead in keys

[fiery fog]

pull lasts longer than a sectec

and thats where you bp

[hard trellis]

cinema tuning

[teal coral]

@long sun rat

[chrome palm]

next button you press and now you do less

[night sluice]

what do we think about the sub tunings?

[warped ferry]

LOL

[bleak night]

[jaunty heath]

there is lot of small adds

[warm marlin]

no wei this guy timed it with the tuning

[fiery fog]

we doom

[hard trellis]

shindig

[warped ferry]

come on shin

[warm marlin]

that's crazy

[true citrus]

shingod

[bleak night]

bro was sitting at the pc waiting to hit upload

[dire ravine]

Isn’t this a positive, walking into heroic week with a ST buff. Sure our AOE took a hit, but this is walking stages right now, and if they tune it back going into mythic we’re cooking.

[distant sage]

right after nerf real bold

[warm marlin]

tune it back into mythic?

aint no way

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[stiff spear]

Did we need to get nerfed so hard in aoe? Didn't feel op to me in M0. Especially nimble flurry already felt kinda bad?

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vagrant sinew]

the 2nd set of tuning is going to be alot shorter than this

[grand wyvern]

Quick somebody tell me what to think

[marble sail]

We were owning

[vagrant sinew]

and then you can wait a month for next one

[warm marlin]

feel like it could be bigger

[fiery fog]

think its all doomed and start protesting

[warm marlin]

heroic week data will be better than m0

[astral axle]

they didn't touch secret technique!

[radiant swift]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[chrome palm]

it is a little suspicious they nerf the burst aoe class's aoe after m0 week

[late vine]

at least we're not unholy

[hard trellis]

blizzard clueless

[chrome palm]

bro what

[dire ravine]

Shit just died too quickly.

[chrome palm]

atleast we arent god

[marble sail]

They are still top 5 sim specs in the game

[hard trellis]

sub tier in raid, assa tier in keys . blizz likes to switch the meta up

[sharp peak]

yeahhh, i'd HATE to be the best ST spec

[spiral needle]

sub needed more ST, they weren't just gonna hit it with an aura buff, could be AoE overnerfed though

[swift tinsel]

I don't think people realize how far ahead uhdk is lol

[honest void]

most fights aren't even pure ST

[heady dragon]

poor unholy dks are now maybe only 5% ahead of everything else in the game 🙁

[south kernel]

there is always the heroic week copium no? maybe on the 24th....surely right

[iron obsidian]

DK disc is in shambles rn

[sharp peak]

I know, and unholy has such awful aoe too

[short radish]

don't worry im sure after these nerfs they'll still be the best spec in the game

[frail kindle]

oh man i would HATE to be an unholy dk the best class in the game by far man that would be terrible

[warm marlin]

I would be worried about getting nerfed again on heroic week fwiw

want to avoid tuning from here on out

[swift tinsel]

idk, that or they might just end up the best spec in the game

[plush roost]

I already thought havoc was sleeper but i have a feeling people will be shocked on tuesday

[chrome palm]

probably just assa buff next week

[sharp peak]

"at least we aren't unholy"

[stuck arrow]

The way I see it, sub still feel better in aoe then that one dungeon I ran without potent powder by accident. 😂

[sharp peak]

go from best dps to best dps. wild.

[long sun]

DUDE I JUST FINISHED WHAT AM I GONNA DO NOT UPLOAD??

[marble sail]

(Feral beats them)

[honest void]

Taez nerf sims puts unholy around 110k

[swift tinsel]

5% burning wounds nerf but 10% immo aura and 5% ragefire buffs on top of an aura buff seems tidy lol when immo was trucking

[dire ravine]

Don’t mention their name aloud! They’ve been through enough.

[visual lark]

so you gonna craft a dagger right, you wont craft a sword right

[stuck arrow]

Maybe - but feral sims also straight scuffed. 😂

Hard to say.

[teal coral]

rogue looking bleak for your journey to RWF

[hollow compass]

Feral and dev looking very strong now

[honest void]

feels wierd to say but I think surv ain't fighting for a melee spot this Race

[granite bear]

is this aoe or st

[heady dragon]

is it the monthly feral cope time again?

[supple barn]

about to level feral or havoc DH this weekend as my alt, maybe new main l0l

[azure whale]

We eating on the patch notes lads?

[alpine wraith]

more st less aoe

[restive venture]

no assa changes????? bro? Why are they deep dicking assa

I wanna play assa again!

[sharp peak]

ST

[distant sage]

i mean we are fine tho even with the aoe nerf

[hollow compass]

Do the ret buffs mean anything?

[honest void]

hey they were good in Manaforge for a bit

so the counter has reset

[marble sail]

yeah means they will do more damage now

[hexed scaffold]

Where did u get this data from?

[honest void]

craigslist

[lucid jackal]

Holy fuck these sub buffs

[stuck arrow]

Well see what feral looks like on the raid meters.

Their sims are pretty sketchy.

[sharp peak]

the raid sims they do like every new build

[lucid jackal]

GULP

[granite bear]

after tuning ?

[stuck arrow]

Simcraft main website.

[sharp peak]

nah, tunings aren't updated, they just happened

[heady dragon]

you know the rules man

you will always prog as sub, you cant escape it

[marble sail]

Bro it happened minutes ago what do u think

[warm marlin]

did you craft sword already lil gup

[stuck arrow]

ForeverSub ❤️

[lucid jackal]

Get ready to learn Chinese buddy

[warm marlin]

[twin quartz]

Week 2 hotfixes: sin buffed by 15%. Just wait lol

[restive lynx]

I really hope that the aoe nerf isn't very bad even though it looks a bit bad, since m+s are my main thing anyway

[grand wyvern]

Chat moves so fast noone will notice outlaw is still a spec

[thin sinew]

combat forever

[sharp peak]

get shan outta here

[true citrus]

outdoor

[heady dragon]

well, its a big aoe nerf in a raidtier that looks like as if its basically 24/7 cleave on all fights

[tribal blade]

need more people to post a screenshot of the sub changes

[honest void]

outlaw deez nuts

[visual lark]

i refuse to believe outlaw exists, i just crafted a dagger, theres only sub and sin

[thin sinew]

cuts balls off

[warm marlin]

what does this mean actually

[honest void]

all part of the Jailer's plan

[plush roost]

Xie xie

[true citrus]

he has to buy chinese gold

[frosty axle]

outlaw goes dagger offhand tho

[visual lark]

nuh uh

[honest void]

keyword being "offhand"

[tribal blade]

one time max told a story of JPC sitting in disc with a chinese outlaw and had a translator help so he could learn how to do minmaxes

[honest void]

bonus word being "potentially"

[warm marlin]

i see

[leaden prairie]

off hand is a turbo useless craft tho

[heady summit]

come back to Evi AoE?

[tribal blade]

honestly not sure if that's the reference but that's the 1 story i know haha

[warped ferry]

i doubt

[frosty axle]

craft what then

[honest void]

the day you make ur offhand as a first craft, might as well relevel

[warm marlin]

eviscerate doesnt aoe anymore at all

[frosty axle]

if i have a outlaw only rogue

[warm marlin]

it will always be bp above 1 target unless they rework nimble again

[leaden prairie]

i mean if you are an outalw one trick you craft a main hand wdym

otherwise you just cry

craft a dagger like everyone

and have shit weapions on outlaw

[twin quartz]

they really should change it so we bp at 1 target tho

[tribal herald]

which spec is better for raid now?

[leaden prairie]

and not play outlaw on any boss

[frail kindle]

outlaw swords up

[true citrus]

oitlaw

[honest void]

outlaw propaganda must rise

[grand wyvern]

You are gonna have 4 sparks by the time you have mythic crests anyway, craft both and shut up

[frail kindle]

im all in on the outlaw hype

[leaden prairie]

thats a waste of crests

[frosty axle]

just no embellish and wait till more sparks or send one on it

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[jaunty heath]

bping at two targets still feels wrong

[distant sage]

jesus christ now everyone is going to open vaults as outlaw

[leaden prairie]

ok honestly idk

im like

[bleak night]

sublty

[leaden prairie]

what i do doesnt apply to most people

cause early prog

[light finch]

even if outlaw is like 5% better in sims, the damage profile and his uptime dependence will always show in the damage meter

[bleak night]

keep removing letters

why use many letter when few do trick

[leaden prairie]

i guess if you are a world 1000 guild it doesnt matter you can just chill and craft whatever

[summer lynx]

So what was the reason to nerf our AOE? Like were we that ahead of other classes??

[true citrus]

https://imgflip.com/i/amlc4v

[frail kindle]

they nerfed aoe across the board

[drifting fable]

THANK YOU BLIZZARD

THANK YOU

[sharp peak]

while frost mage untouched. ok blizzard, i see you

[frail kindle]

ret got aoe nerfs, spriest aoe nerfs

[modest snow]

also not much of a big nerf if they fix clones for aoe right

[honest void]

skip saying thank you?

damn shit's truly rough

[azure whale]

this is insane to me ngl, no frost changes

[drifting fable]

Im unc

also sub is pretty fun ill say it

i havent played outlaw in 2 years

lmfao

[honest void]

can't lie i can't even say opposite myself

[marble sail]

That spec is cheeks it was never gonna get played in rwf anyways

[lucid jackal]

Fixed it

[woeful wren]

DS stonks up or

[true citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/firehouse-subs-sub-sandwich-commercial-firehouse-gif-25189448

[lucid jackal]

Wtf

[jaunty heath]

outlaw was hispter spec foir a while

[honest void]

nice fix

almost looks the same

[grand wyvern]

Pls no

[lucid jackal]

Wtf

It's diff in preview

[split schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/subway-sandwich-funny-sandiwich-funny-subway-3d-subway-sandwich-gurgerburger-animation-gif-23079640

[distant sage]

nono keep it up now

[sonic raven]

What’s the verdict on tuning ?

[real ravine]

I dont like them

[marble sail]

300% st buff 250% aoe nerf

[lucid jackal]

Discord bugged I'm kms

[true citrus]

GUILTY

[honest void]

Subletting rogue

[frail kindle]

yo am i tweaking or did balance druid definitely not need a 20%+ buff

[tulip silo]

noooo I don't want to push 2 buttons noooo]

[distant sage]

if ur 0.1 % of players doom if youre not woho st up

[marble sail]

They sucked

[honest void]

for once balance propaganda was warranted

fuck em still though

[marble sail]

Real

Still below feral so thats a W

[sharp peak]

yo, FUCK boomies

[honest void]

[harsh gale]

still bitter. why cant they just give us a flat 8% damage increase like they did enhancement shaman?

[waxen lintel]

Oh dear its a nerf

[young harness]

IS THIS A BUFF OR NERF

[jaunty heath]

we had couple ppl in my guild waiting for this tunning to choose their mains so im wondering what it will be actually. Maybe i get rogue buddy (doubt)

[honest void]

cause they clearly wanted to reign in the aoe but give st buffs

[marble sail]

Nerf its so over

[harsh gale]

im aware but i just want a flat increase

[leaden prairie]

sub raid buff, outlaw keys buff

[dawn heron]

assa?

[tame terrace]

assa dead

[dawn heron]

[marble sail]

Pvp nerf

[plush roost]

Assa key tier bud

[valid tartan]

not a real spec

[plush roost]

Sleeper spec

[dire ravine]

Sandbagging legend.

[honest void]

ass living up to the name atp

[leaden prairie]

i asked whispyr he told me no aoe

dont lie to me

its an outlaw tier

[frail kindle]

outlaw tier baby

[honest void]

was similar mindset myself

[plush roost]

I think it may be close to sub in aoe now xddd

[sharp peak]

don't call whispyr back in here. let him have peace tonight.

[honest void]

turns out i made the correct choice by just playing elemental anyway

[true citrus]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[leaden prairie]

its an outlaw tier bud

[harsh gale]

its amazing how the only rogue changes are for sub though. lmao

[leaden prairie]

thats all there is

you know why

cause outalw got guns

bam bam

what do you have

[plush roost]

Prio coping niche assa supremacy dont make me buff ks

[iron obsidian]

i have knives

[honest void]

whens the next tuning pass they said? mythic week?

[sonic quail]

damn the typical "they are too good in m0s" mindset they have

[hard trellis]

its always an outlaw tier for zac

[leaden prairie]

outlaw doesnt have turbo dogshit prio anymore

[iron obsidian]

yes itll be next week

[plush roost]

Yeah its actually rly good

[leaden prairie]

idc about funnel its for noobs

[jaunty heath]

after heroic week

[leaden prairie]

only noobs need funnel

[tawny marlin]

Outlaw 😩

[leaden prairie]

when you can just press bf

and kill all mobs

[hard trellis]

transitioning to outlaw, friendship with sub ended

[plush roost]

I liked beta oitlaw

[leaden prairie]

gg

[honest void]

ngl i don't want to be switching mains after heroic week

[tawny marlin]

Sub still better ya?

[honest void]

blizz pls

[tulip silo]

can outlaw please use daggers so we can change to sub every tier?

[plush pecan]

Kinda what to know too haha

[jaunty heath]

tbh they will more likely just nerf outliners than buff shitters after hc week

[heady garden]

Do we evis on 2T now

[hazy breach]

Probably not with potent, maybe without

[honest void]

both are lowkey similar issues in that regard

[tawny marlin]

12% black powder nerf sucks but I was still cranking

[brisk creek]

What do we think of the tuning changes on the 17th looks like a big power shift from aoe to st

Buff or no

[honest void]

cause they usually nerf with the hand of an enemy stand user

[tropic pier]

yes

[jaunty heath]

i mean you can look at past, when one spec is dead it usually remain dead and they just nerf over perfmorming to be just at top but not that much over top

[marble sail]

Literally both?

Buff to st nerf to aoe

[grand wyvern]

It's a berf

[brisk creek]

Yea lmao I mean is it net positive for damage or no

[heady garden]

nerf to sustained aoe, sec tech wasnt touched thankfully

[hexed wave]

its a ST/Cleave buff huge AoE nerf

[astral axle]

is feral just like creeping up to Actually Good?

[true citrus]

Is this the Disneyfication of sub rogue?

[marble sail]

Its a loss in aoe...... gain in st..... its crazy stuff

[jaunty heath]

they wont overnerf best classes when ppl arleady play them for that

[short radish]

probably highest simming ST atm

and from what i hear it can cleave without losing much ST

dont quote me on that though

[hexed wave]

prob not dk already sim 142k xD

[willow pawn]

you dont even play those talents in aoe as feral

[astral axle]

kitten stonks rising?!

oh

[marble sail]

This is fake news

[astral axle]

Discord kittens everywhere in shambles

[short radish]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i have no idea how feral works, i just pretend im playing sin rogue when i play it

[marble sail]

Not anymore

[regal current]

look at pins

[stuck arrow]

Literally their sim is like taped together. 😂

Idk how much I trust it.

[dire ravine]

They turned it into a bite simulator after the omega class changes.

[grand wyvern]

It's like vulpera rogue

[short radish]

damn rogues and their accurate sims

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/chomp-bite-arm-gif-7083692912057941766

[sacred reef]

chat are we picnicing or pogging

[marble sail]

Pogging

[short radish]

pigging

[honest void]

well they nerfed their biggest competition in Guardian Druid

[hazy breach]

Keep in mind theres also a very very large chance they end up only buffing the physical part of eviscerate and shadowstrike, not the clone or shadowed finishers, in which case its more like a 3.5% buff and not 6%

[brisk creek]

Damn brutal

[honest void]

so feral tier may be a real thing

[regal current]

i will not miss guardian druid bg meta

fuck guardian druid

[brisk creek]

That's a tough hit

[marble sail]

Gameplay wise no, its in shambles

[thin sinew]

i kinda hope they do evis is depressing to press atm

[regal current]

feral plays like shit

lmao

[marble sail]

Worst spec ive ever seen rn

[buoyant shale]

New to sub: Should I macro secret tech into shadow dance?

[honest void]

some poor soul would be forced to play it if it dicks innit

[regal current]

probably

[honest void]

prog takes no prisoners

[harsh gale]

according to pin its an overall nerf

[plush pecan]

10% nerf.. then you see DHs cranking out monstrous damage and barely get touched 🤣

[honest void]

damn so it's still a shammy angle for me

[regal current]

i mean i was winning all aoe pulls by so much

[honest void]

maybe evoker angle too

[stuck arrow]

I appreciate our accurate sims. ❤️

Also like look at this shit. 😂

[regal current]

im excited to be able to do some single target now

[honest void]

and rogue for whatever prog I do

[swift tinsel]

yall should see the actual feral apl

it is a wild ride

[dire ravine]

No Chomp buff

[honest void]

can you even call it an apl atp

[swift tinsel]

the fact anyone can remotely navigate it is crazy

massive block dedicated just to casting tiger's fury every 30 seconds

[short radish]

what the fuck lmao

[honest void]

it's like the reincarnation of the John Madden feral druid meme from way back

[swift tinsel]

lmao it honestly is

[stuck arrow]

Like.

I'm sorry the fidelity of that is non existent.

[leaden prairie]

@long sun you pronounce coup de grace like grass

not gra

noob

get it right !

[delicate salmon]

what do you guys recommend for an alt? im thinking mm hunt

[honest void]

coupe de grass

[short radish]

Put the Grace in the Coop

[harsh gale]

feral druid as an alt

[swift tinsel]

havoc

feral

[delicate salmon]

i dont like kitten

[marble sail]

I stole this

[short radish]

tbh it makes sense since there are like 3 feral druid players

[tawny marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-no-signs-of-intelligent-life-gif-13481205

[short radish]

so TCs probably non existant

[harsh gale]

anything melee as an alt is what i go for

[delicate salmon]

enhancement mb?

[swift tinsel]

I roll a d20

[honest void]

survival

enhancement

[delicate salmon]

havoc not a bad choice but my guild is litered with new dhs playing devourer

[plush roost]

Hope they learned havoc

[harsh gale]

your guild too?

[plush roost]

Cause its the play im psure

[delicate salmon]

yeah....

[honest void]

i'm telling you the strat is to be a rogue

it'll payoff dividends when ur guild hopping

[delicate salmon]

ok i guess im leveling another rogue then

[fiery fog]

have 3 dd specs and all are mid

[steel wyvern]

first daggers going to surv hunter btw

[honest void]

nah they still prefer the 2 handers no

?

say sike

?

[steel wyvern]

no idea im just joking

[honest void]

embracing my inner zac

?

??

[lucid jackal]

Survival can't really go daggers the same way fury can't go 1handers

[native violet]

they do pref 2 hand in raid, for m+ im pretty sure its daggers

[steel wyvern]

surv in m+ wants daggers

u heard it here first

hunter loot prio

[harsh gale]

that 20% to unholy only brought them back in line

[stuck arrow]

Lol. I mean I appreciate the effort.

But like. That's the kind of sim that makes people think sims have zero validity.

It's always wild for me as a rogue player playing other specs - the sims are like straight up not useful at all.

Meanwhile here on rogue is like - we got it fucking dialed.

[honest void]

oh yeah due to bomb cdr

damn

[distant sage]

crafted dagger will play sub either way in all content just like last season just play whats fun to you

[honest void]

but being able to not have to transmog daggers is a goated change so i can never doom on rogue anymore

[harsh gale]

i can

[fluid sedge]

Tell me about it. Loving my thunder fury sub rogue

[short aurora]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[honest void]

based on your name you kinda have to for branding reasons

[dire ravine]

Over my dead fucking body

[honest void]

well no reasonable guild gears for M+ over raid

so I doubt they'd steal it from you

[honest void]

i'm a rapier enjoyer myself

[steel wyvern]

imo hunter deserves prio on bow, agi 2h, and daggers

[weak glade]

is sub still gonna be the best spec i think so but idk

[steel wyvern]

just give it to em you know

[plush roost]

And shields and all 1hs and guns

And armor

And trinkets

[native violet]

sub probably the best spec for raid, for m+ prolly outlaw right?

[plush roost]

Bring back need all?

[light osprey]

we're just lucky that hunters don't know how to spell daggers

[steel wyvern]

sub for m+ most likely, idk if the aoe nerf was enough

outlaw is kinda bad

[plush roost]

???? XD????

[marble sail]

What no

[harsh gale]

outlaw is the top m+ rogue spec

[lucid jackal]

Ik u regular the outlaw channel but outlaw isn't bad

Lmao

[woeful barn]

lol pirate rogue slapping

[marble sail]

sub raid, m+ outlaw for sure

[iron dragon]

pog

[ornate heron]

Char check your btag messages (;

[lucid jackal]

That channel is better at downplaying than balance druids

[weak glade]

ive never been able to get actually good at outlaw idk why

[gentle holly]

What do the changes net out overall for ST and AOE?

[frosty axle]

low reaction speed

[marble sail]

Pins

[light osprey]

you need to do a line of cocaine first

[harsh gale]

check pins

[weak glade]

maybe

[tame terrace]

idk man, outlaw didnt get a 20% buff

[gentle holly]

Thanks

[dire ravine]

Nothing will beat the Moonkin Sandbag of ‘26

[rain hull]

Deathstalker time???

[marble sail]

[leaden prairie]

@hazy breach how much dps is the shit gameplay thing btw

the build at max cp

[light osprey]

sims I have say that outlaw fatebound hits 105k, which doesn't put them at the top of melee but decent

still worse than post nerf UH DK

[fiery fog]

do these bp nerfs mean we probably use bp at 3+ targets? instead of 2

[acoustic lodge]

Damn 8-10%

That's feel wuf

[lucid jackal]

1.5%

[tame terrace]

its inline with all the other aoe nerfs shrug

[leaden prairie]

[hazy breach]

No idea how its changing with these buffs, but right now its unclear as fuck

[leaden prairie]

thats too much !

can you get realz to nuke this bro

im so mad

[harsh gale]

but we are more competitive in raid atleast. the overall nerf is just for m+ purposes

[gentle sonnet]

yea i'll be going from doing 110k+ opening dps to 100k+ opening dps, oh no

[tame terrace]

zac do u play with spell alerts

[leaden prairie]

this singular thing is ruining sub * for me

[leaden prairie]

nah thats ugly

[hazy breach]

I dont think we'll end up doing it besides making sure your supercharger i apex'd

[tame terrace]

u should see the ancient arts spell alert

[leaden prairie]

ye its a black thing

i saw it

[acoustic lodge]

I belive sub will be okay but always sad to see numbers go down

[lucid jackal]

It got buffed

[leaden prairie]

i mean i believe if you play with spell allerts things you are a weirdo but

[true citrus]

Zac fire up the stream bro share thoughts

[leaden prairie]

who am i to judge

[gentle sonnet]

honestly the ST target buff is what we needed anyways, even if we had to sac some AOE dmg

[tribal blade]

ST goes up though

[leaden prairie]

sub got aoe nerfed which is an indirect outlaw aoe buff so im pretty happy

thats my thoughts

[short aurora]

crackshot pew pew

[warm marlin]

it's in cdm now

saved

[gentle sonnet]

zac go back to the outlaw chat already

[leaden prairie]

i mean idc

[tropic pier]

i believe in the outlaw tier

[drifting dew]

So our sim would be at 100k now?

[leaden prairie]

i dont wanna track it

its more fun to react to the cp refund than track it

[warm marlin]

i knew my calling you a noob would change ur mind

get psyoped

[hazy breach]

For raid probably ye

[gentle sonnet]

arms warr got a 15% overall dmg increase

[leaden prairie]

sub is a raid spec it should stay in raid where it belong

[warm marlin]

15% increase from completel dogwater to complete dogwater

[leaden prairie]

let us have our fun in the real gamemode

[red pewter]

They’ll now only be 15% worse than everyone else. Good for them!

[willow pawn]

[tame terrace]

they added ancient arts to cdm ?

[austere canopy]

Arms can finally compete with trinket companion dmg

[tame terrace]

when

[leaden prairie]

now

i just did

i dmed blizz

told them they forgot the icon

[gentle sonnet]

prot warr got a 10% damage increase cause that's what they needed

[tame terrace]

huge

[daring pike]

is it worth sending a Spark Dagger Craft if we re going to be clearing the first two bosses in the first mythic week?

[leaden prairie]

was added quickly

[gentle sonnet]

All tank role specializations’ self-healing reduced by 25% in PvP combat. goated

[long sun]

bro fr?

[leaden prairie]

bro im fr fr ..

lock in

[long sun]

i think someone told me that before but i didnt believe them

mbmb

[plush roost]

Hes so FR hes french

[leaden prairie]

believe me

i got that french in me

[frosty axle]

coo de gra

[leaden prairie]

i was born with it

[marble sail]

Poop the grass 🔥

[long sun]

isn't the "s" sound like banned tho

in french

[leaden prairie]

hm

[plush roost]

Sacre bleu

[leaden prairie]

idk i dont think so

depends

[gentle sonnet]

sub getting a 10% dmg reduction in pvp hurts, like tf did we do to deserve that

[leaden prairie]

i guess i think we dont say the s sound when its just a s at end of words

[frosty axle]

play pvp

[daring pike]

no C is the s sound as in Safe

[steel wyvern]

who

[plush roost]

Je'suis ananas

[leaden prairie]

but this isnt the case here its a ace

[long sun]

thats what i thought

[harsh gale]

prot paladin completely untouched

[red pewter]

Are you in a rwf guild saving all crests and only sending when you have a 1% wipe due to enrage on a perfectly executed pull? If not, send it its vet crests. Can craft your OH and just use it MH for now. + you get to put your bis enchant on it

[civic lava]

Only if it's an " S " at the end, when it's " ce" your say the S

[meager coyote]

if u skip the last sound it means "hit of fat" 💀

[long sun]

damn alr

[gentle sonnet]

by that he means he has a frenchie inside him rn

[long sun]

wait this is fire

[leaden prairie]

but also its french so its mostly an infinity of exceptions

[long sun]

that's also english

[steel wyvern]

foie gras

[frosty axle]

english is built on that so same

[leaden prairie]

can prolly find a lot of words that end with s and we pronounce it

[steel wyvern]

timothee chalamet

[true citrus]

shorts

[winged shore]

just saw notes, are we going to be trash in M+ now?

[frosty axle]

yes reroll time

[true citrus]

Sin for M+

[harsh gale]

lol

[willow pawn]

rogue sbeen trash in m+

[leaden prairie]

no you !

[gentle sonnet]

i dont like that aff just got the biggest pvp buff in their entire career

[leaden prairie]

mortiz are you gonna do keys again

[red pewter]

We were always trash in m+ compared to projected meta comp, if that makes you feel any better

[harsh gale]

its time affdaddys rise to the top

[willow pawn]

With my ST Blind bro

[light osprey]

everyoone knows that PvP is in its most healthy state when aff locks can sit there and live forever

[willow pawn]

youre crazy

[leaden prairie]

bro but ..

with gouge tho ..

gouge is goated ..

[gentle sonnet]

you mean all lock specs can

[willow pawn]

that shit straight dookie

[full saffron]

hey guys luckylee here

[leaden prairie]

wtf its luckylee

hi

[gentle sonnet]

like why tf did blizz have to get rid of our AOE blind, it wasn't even that good in most situations

[steel wyvern]

hi luckylee

[full saffron]

the submissive dream is dead allgood guys logging onto brew

[willow pawn]

im waiting for them to take away shroud next

[frosty axle]

so trash with that one affix

[tropic pier]

yeah this was pretty weird

[leaden prairie]

shroud is so useless

[willow pawn]

id rather play brewmaster with poah

[leaden prairie]

i wouldnt even care

[willow pawn]

double brewmaster = more value

[full saffron]

LOL

[leaden prairie]

fr fr

[tropic pier]

shroud is an excellent 100% movement speed buff wdym

insane for m0 week

[red pewter]

Don’t worry, warrior has 20 aoe stops now

[elfin berry]

how are the changes looking

[full saffron]

ranged meta

[gentle sonnet]

like it had a limit of 8 mobs, so like a pull of more than 8 you weren't guaranteed to hit the right adds

[full saffron]

log onto mage mort

[steel wyvern]

login devourer

[leaden prairie]

bl;ind wasnt target capped cuh

[gentle sonnet]

same with DH

[full saffron]

💀

[willow pawn]

i have a mage ready to go bro

[full saffron]

LOL

I saw the arcane buffs and cackled

[gentle sonnet]

i'm pretty sure it was capped at 8

[leaden prairie]

no

[steel wyvern]

imagine playing rogue in the eyar of our lord 2026

[leaden prairie]

thats big cap brudha !

[full saffron]

yeah gotta pre buff the go I guess

[vagrant sinew]

@steel wyvern are you allowed to be in this chat

[leaden prairie]

it was capped at 8 during beta df

[red pewter]

Lowkey Aldrachi reaver havoc buffs got me doubting devourer in m+

[leaden prairie]

when it wasnt even in the game yet

[steel wyvern]

i have a hall pass

[leaden prairie]

it spawned in the game uncapped

[vagrant sinew]

ok just making sure

[full saffron]

how did they pre nerf rogue

I don't get it

[leaden prairie]

also it was capped cause it was the outlaw thing at first

[willow pawn]

m0 data

[leaden prairie]

sub had aoe kidnye

[full saffron]

???

[leaden prairie]

member

[full saffron]

NO WAY THEY USED M0

HAHAHA

[willow pawn]

nah sub in beta aoe was inda wild

[red pewter]

What else would they have to base it off of? World quests?

[willow pawn]

kinda*

[steel wyvern]

aoe kidney crankin

[leaden prairie]

they hit dummies with one button rotation in their test server

no capo

[full saffron]

didn't pre evasion the go and got nerfed

[steel wyvern]

wish i could kidney aoe irl

[full saffron]

really good

idk

[winged shore]

delves

[red pewter]

Trueeee

[willow pawn]

Lets be honest

[leaden prairie]

guys its all the data from preys

[vagrant sinew]

based of beta keys clearly just took them a while to compile data

[willow pawn]

UH dk gaps every single spec in M+ rn

might just play dk and afk in melee perma

[full saffron]

20% nerf

dk is lobbed

stop the cap

[vagrant sinew]

...

[bleak night]

was 50% ahead of arms and spriest btw

[willow pawn]

20% nerf. went from top dps to top dps

[bleak night]

[leaden prairie]

its 30% ahead of the second best spec btw

[full saffron]

LOL

[red pewter]

Outlaw and assa whiffed this week, they’ll be in line for some chunky changes with next weeks tuning

[leaden prairie]

also it got buffs aswell

[valid ocean]

mortiz 🤔

[leaden prairie]

so idk how much of a 20% nerf it is

[full saffron]

shut up

[distant sage]

wasnt spriest always doodoo garbage in st

[willow pawn]

Assa S tier rn

they are not gonna touch it

[full saffron]

how about that zac

XD

[tropic pier]

a 20% flat nerf will hurt their cleave a lot

i think you play frost now

[full saffron]

fdk sucks dick

surely

[leaden prairie]

oih for keys

ye idk about keys

[tropic pier]

the udk sim was also oversimming as well

[leaden prairie]

im just yuapping about st raid

[full saffron]

raid balance yeah...

[leaden prairie]

idc anyway i hate dk players

[tropic pier]

even in raid its very cleavy

i think frost raid angle

[willow pawn]

tbh. the raise abomb nerf in .5 is gonna hurt unholy a lot in keys

[full saffron]

maybe they just make outlaw a ranged spec

that probably solves the rogue problem

[leaden prairie]

hi chat luckylee here

[full saffron]

XD

[leaden prairie]

rerolling dk after the nerfs

[full saffron]

LOL

yeah...

havoc buffs online

swappin

[tropic pier]

havoc seems kinda overbuffed

[deep breach]

DH main

[stuck arrow]

My buddy usually plays Shadow priest / Disc, but rolled uhdk this season.

Dude is literally shocked only a 20% nerf.

"So this is what it's like to play one of blizzards favorite classes?! That nerf not close to what I expected."

😂

[honest void]

haha

[willow pawn]

theres legit no dh specs except devourer

[manic glen]

So what was % increase for ST and % decrease for AoE?

[timber venture]

Is our cleave just mega bad now?

[tropic pier]

wat

[honest void]

frost in the year of our lord 2026

[full saffron]

I wonder how much they tune around heroic week

[tropic pier]

havoc is outsimming devourer on st now and has more aoe, and the aoe was buffed as well

[ocean ferry]

Are we good?

[vagrant sinew]

I think you arent aware how much better devo was before this

[meager coyote]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[regal current]

how many people people gonna pop up and ask if we're good without opening pins

or reading

[honest void]

devourer made havoc look like the abused stepchild

[leaden prairie]

hi chat luckylee here, is sub good after buffs ?

[vagrant sinew]

kush stealthi and zac all playving devo I heard

[spiral needle]

guys whats gonna be the best raid, M+, delve, and trap disarmer for preys

[honest void]

feral

[regal current]

guys which spec should i pick for fishing in zul aman

[red pewter]

DKs be like

[frosty axle]

wait when im disenchanting what spec should i be for more dawn crystals

[tidal ingot]

Yes

[iron obsidian]

hi chat luckylee here, is sub good after buffs ?

[honest void]

this shit so deepfried

[willow pawn]

hi luckylee chat here, is buffs good after sub?

[marble sail]

Devo is also ranged, thats like another 15% dmg in this shit raid

[honest void]

i dig it

[manic glen]

I love PINS

[honest void]

which shit raid?

gotta specify noob

[steel wyvern]

Love the name @marble sail

W name fr

[mental saffron]

Eviscerate buff also affects Coup right?

[gilded thistle]

am I crazy or did sub not need a ST buff in exchange for AoE? It felt like a pretty good middleground already?

[marble sail]

Our st was cheeks

[spiral needle]

it def needed more ST

[gilded thistle]

oh was it

[honest void]

ain't going to lie besides the trio paladins fight, voidspire is kinda lit

[deep breach]

i love being pre-nerfed

[true citrus]

Zorthas has us in dog house

[gilded thistle]

I have not been exposed to true gamers then, I've been woopin on the boss meters

[full saffron]

its okay they will solve all of this during the heroic week tuning

[marble sail]

Super un melee friendly its all stinky

[pastel rampart]

ayo bit of a weird question, just reinstalled and my bars are paging whenever i stealth, i remember having this off last xpac, is there a setting or is that in an addon now?

[harsh gale]

it needed ST buff but it didnt need an aoe nerf to compensate. just give us the flat overall buff and call it balanced

[full saffron]

Sub will get a 6 or 7% aura buff and everything will be back to normal

[honest void]

day that ends in y type problem that one

[steel wyvern]

Cope

[tropic pier]

sub aoe was preeeeetty good tbh

[winged shore]

did they say if there will be another tuning the 23rd?

[full saffron]

pad dam

they said they will do 4 straight weeks of tuning

[honest void]

ok maybe the dragon twins too tbf

[full saffron]

after the raid comes out

so surely everything is fixed

[valid ocean]

buff all rogue specs amen

[heady garden]

still another tuning pass before mythic, which is the one that actually matters

[gilded thistle]

well, at least sub got touched, unlike my poor assass

[regal current]

im putting my cope and hopes into sub

surely it will be fine

[exotic gorge]

fkn what

[honest void]

don't let the copium of rogue getting great tuning (aka still will be a sub tier) distract you from the fact we're still one of the least played classes 21 years down the line

[wicked urchin]

@valid ocean hi

[honest void]

[marble sail]

All of em

[exotic gorge]

the nerf

[regal current]

they will take me to M+ out of pity

look at this poor rogue, one of the last 5 in the wild

[honest void]

idk i tested all of them and those 2 were like the most aggregious to me

but also it's a 6 boss raid

[steel wyvern]

aggregious

?

[red pewter]

Blizzard had said “weekly tuning the next 4 weeks….fuck RWF guilds lol”

[honest void]

it's 2 am man

i'm spelling by ear atp

[steel wyvern]

wtf

[marble sail]

Huge words comming from a rogue

[idle aurora]

Am I happy or sad?! Someone smarter than me confirm and I’ll be happy or mad.

[steel wyvern]

u live in the middle of the atlantic ocean?

holy timezone

[hard trellis]

gg sub

[tribal storm]

rip sub aoe

[hybrid prism]

I feel like its gonna be fine.

[honest void]

EU

[hybrid prism]

not that big of a deal, still gonna smash

[honest void]

i can predict the future

tmrw it will rain

[regal current]

i feel like i can actually do boss dps now, and maybe ill have to fight to be number 1 in aoe now

[tulip silo]

You will play sub forev er

[hard trellis]

[heady garden]

nimble flurry nerf probably works out to be unchanged overall due to buffs to melee's, evis and unseen blade

[winged shore]

as a long time ass man I am enjoying sub so far, so hoping it stays relevant

[hybrid prism]

yeah for real I would do double the damage of most other people in my m0 groups in aoe lol. A 12% BP nerf is not that big of a deal

[winter junco]

Did we get net nerfed buffed or same?

[regal current]

I love permanent tricks so just dont take trickster away from me

[native quail]

buff st nerf aoe

[honest void]

yeah perma tricks is goated

[regal current]

yeah it was really bad

[sick jackal]

do we swap hero trees or is tricky still better?

[regal current]

trickster till i die baby

[winter junco]

Arena is gonna be nuts

[honest void]

deathstalker is still not the go to so dw

[regal current]

the 10% nerf to pvp aint gonna compensate for the ST buff we just got

[hybrid prism]

it looks like were going from straight broken aoe to now really good aoe and good single target

[regal current]

we are gonna absolutely murder people

[winter junco]

Yep

Cant wait shadowstriking for half a mage hp

[plush roost]

Hi chat unluckylee here, i just got off the ledge i vr'd off of, is havoc is does good?

[regal current]

good fuck that mage

[regal current]

havoc is kill

[hybrid prism]

no nipple having bitch mage

[lilac stag]

PvP talk in here

[steel wyvern]

what is the luckylee meme

[plush roost]

Dont speak so soon bud

[full saffron]

LOL

@plush roost well?

[steel wyvern]

hi chat luckylee here is sub die

[plush roost]

@grok what is the lucky lee meme?

[honest void]

till they make BP consume the damn mark i ain't seeing it

[supple barn]

hi chat DH or Feral

[hybrid prism]

sub

[full saffron]

alright time to grief the ret discord cy@ noobs

[plush roost]

Bye leeeeee

[hybrid prism]

LMAO

[regal current]

hi chat should i go holy priest or pres evoker to dps

[honest void]

yes

[young harness]

Sub s tier now?

[regal current]

yeah s for sub

[lilac stag]

@plush roost a few lines of blue text and all of the sudden this place is popular again.

[brisk onyx]

"S"ub is S tier ye

[plush roost]

I was about to blow up if no notes i live for this

This is my shitpost dream

[lilac stag]

they don’t know you’re gonna get us nerfed heroic week

[plush roost]

I cant

My jolly roger is raised

[regal current]

every rogue needs to sandbag week 1

[odd jacinth]

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