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no more black on black
u dont like the visual?
it's complete ass
which you won't see when it's in front of a black/dark background
unless you are playing in light mode or sth
theres an opacity bar
I know
what are yall crafting with veteran crests for hc raid?
have veteran in every slot so im unsure
do delvs 7 give veterna
don't worry, I got the fix
not yet, i think only m0 and hard preys do rn
its like when you load a game for the first time and they tell you to adjust the slider until the symbol is barely visible
I trusted that metric for way way too long
sitting there trying to see if its just barely visible
as soon as I loaded into the actual game I changed it anyways lol
it was always either way too bright or way too dark
no idea what they tried to achieve
"we wanna create atmosphere"
is might of the void buff from the voidstorm trinket after maxxed out?
RE games were the worst about that for me
im getting agi now
I remember feeling super smart as a kid when I found out that you could just increase brightness to 100% instead of making torches in minecraft
i remember being to old to ever play mc
people that were able to sneak around and Interrogate in Murder Row without getting caught, did they change it this week? Wasn't able to reliably sneak to the room off to the right or the one by the lamp post off to the left of the starting area
could do it quite easily last week
the nearby mobs auto-aggroed as soon as they registered as being interrogated
@swift tinsel you’re alting DH yea?
atm yeah
apparently if you craft int 1h it saves you crests for oh upgrade. just have to commute to devourer
yeah was crafting for our DH and he was going to do int with spark and I asked if he was sure an he mentioned that
did a few m0 as devourer and it was big boom blastin, was pretty fun
still prefer havoc but fun to dabble
do u get 2k rep with silvermoon court each week you do the eversong defend the rune thing?
pretty sure ye
i just got a spark of radiance from a delve?
were you behind a spark of radiance?
its an alt at 81 so prob yeah
ye catchup sparks can come from delves/dungeons/raid/etc
ketchup
if sparks are confusing
it works just like before, just that 1 spark is now what a half spark was before
so every time you got half a spark before, you now get 1 spark instead
but crafting costs twice as many sparks
Damn no changes to rogue or im blind
Ahh its for .5

picking up a conversation from the other day - what is the actual raw stat i should aim for? not the %
for haste this is, sorry
680-700 range
do you know what that transltes to in %? out of curiosity
unbuffed with alacrity like 18%
but thanks that is useful - is getting my haste to that 680-700 range the most important secondary stat optimization?
sim it but to keep it simple aim for 650 and avoid vers
but yes haste to 700 is important
you can also just get to ~540 and haste flask
700 the safest of numbers
Hey guys, any reason to not craft the dagger?
outlaw copium
I'm a bit of a noob about this crafting stuff
if youre the only rogue in your raid team like me :P
free daggers!
unless you're close to making the breakpoint for 680 haste i'd play a crit mast item of similar ilvl over a haste vers one
wdym
or id sim it
sV taking your daggies
wtf?
they put it in the cdm
if i didn't want to sim it i'd assume crit/mast is better
this a hunter meme or real
ohh
real
nice
wth, i knew they could dual wield but why daggers
SURELY they fixed implacable cdm.. right?
Pathfinder wants fastest 1h (daggers)
If it’s not pinned in assa it didnt happen
so you think
mM is bugged
That gets fixed. Sv best hunter spec
are there still 2 vanish instances in the cdm?
plan c then - as loot master i will just happen to win the roll each time
they did not fix the implacable cdm
confirmed realz now likes Sub
there were as of yesterday
still 2 vanish still backstab
yeah saw that, pretty radical
Yeah, the system seems great
A pretty good itteraiton on their previous attempts of bad luck protection
agreed
I don’t suppose the AA black bars got changed
that new?
.5 patch
Just keep cooking blizz and eventually you'll arrive at the answer we all know works: deterministic currency loot
skid marks still the same
oh
there's a also a M+ rating boost system, they call it something like resilient keys or something
yeah turbo boost but not crest related this time
I hate turbo boost
seems like it could be timegated
@chrome palm are you running outlaw next week? no shade, I’m genuinely curious how it goes if you do.
it kinda turned me off from playing last season
it probably makes sense to do this on my main at least
sub without tier/trinket is quite something
and without knowing the specific add spawns it has no real advantage over outlaw as i see it
hit me with your cdm setup for gunslinger.
Oh wow its myth track...
I know we were pretty close on our sub setups
arcui shit itself recently so im trying to fix it
I’m at eye doctor. Tag me whenever. I should set something up. Hahah
Bro im scared for arcUI users on tuesday
That shit is 100% bricking
Have a backup rdy ngl
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Thinking the servers won’t just brick themselves. 
arcui is in competition with windows
for which one is scarier to update
i had a heart attack today
not using it anymore has me feeling like waking up at 8 hours of solid sleep
i thought i paused windows updates weeks ago and i got a (Almost done!) when i turned my pc on today
ai is haunting me
ai windows into ai graphics driver into ai addons i never stood a chance
yeah it auto ran on me.
What did you switch to?
'smere?
ellesmere is turbo malware ngl
ye
how so?
also if you cast between the eyes his cdm freaks out
Irredeemable
yeah the cooldown one tracks the buff duration atm
he is doing something weird with buffs for sure
gravedigger shows the apex icon instead of the cdm one
there's stuff in the works to allow adjusting what's shown on a case by case basis
its also still in beta atm so that stuff is getting worked on
the buglist is huge atm lol
Just like wow
Arcui not so low key starting to piss me off with the resets tho
🤝
If it works I'm a big fan
!up
I’ve been soo hesitant to upload mine because of this.
I get that. People might get angry at you rather than the actual culprit.
I wanted to finetune my UI on Saturday, but I'm afraid I might waste my time.
thankfully my sub setup hasn’t had any issues
but I don’t think I did any “strange” setups
and it’s all contained in arc
vs using other parts for anchoring
i think using arc's anchoring is forbidden
which I think also maybe happening with how unintuitive some of the ui is in arc
the only thing I’d like to anchor is the flawless stacks over evicerate
And I’ve not seen a way to do that
I think we’ve also had a good group of 5-6 of us messing with it early
and we’ve kinda figured out what worked together
ye
I trust arc to do it in arc. I don’t trust any addon to share anchoring with another
too much room for proprietary fighting
i trust arc
i dont even trust that after how many people talk about it updating and bricking it
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it can't mess up my exact x/y coordinates surely
I also don’t really see a reason for it
i trust it with that (maybe)
it does if you try using ellesmere ui xddd
it's too late for me to swap now
im committed
i thought people really liked ellesmere stuff though
addon economy is in sucha weird spot ngl
Noooo you cant have your airhorn blasting rainbow glowing icons
now i feel like the picture of the dog getting injected with aluminum when i have to install 10 addons
i want a cursor ring now so instead of using a weak aura that puts a circle texture on my mouse i have to install Larry's QOL Tools which puts an icon on my minimap and changes random cvars
the cursor ring wa i used is now an addon
!macros
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like
WoWhead or
Icy Veins.
ultimate mouse cursor
Hey guys, what’s our prio on two targets? Do we even touch shuriken and black powder?
shadowstrike > shuriken storm
coup > bp
just shut down the Paladin discord until ellesmere ui isn’t buggy
So with voidforge, if I'm reading it right, we will be able to farm 2 mythic track loot from m+ weekly?
yesp, either 1 raid item or 2 m+ items
Cracked af
now m+ can actually award myth track gear more than one item per week
to keep pace-ish with raid
their CDM begs to differ on player qol
Add-ons needed to go
WA needed to go. Addons did not. Especially with nothing close to ready to replace it
Respect
now we have 354505 vibe coded POS fighting each other.
Will we be able to aquire Voidcores from week 1?
unsure for season 2 but def won't be able to season 1 since it comes with the 0.5 patch
but I imagine this is replacing the dinar system
or at least an experiment
honestly
i think class wa were fine
it was the dumb ass autoassign was
that were out of hand
this was my favourite part
Its in the .5 patch
Wait, our vault gives two myth track items now? 👀👀
no
one from vault, two from the voidcores
In .5
Not on launch
more m+
what tier of mythic would that have to be??
yeah this won't be for a while
it says +10
or the same threshold that the vault would give myth, hero, etc
so it matches vault ilvl
oh ool
Oh this is helpful
sometimes i wonder how raid tuning would have been like
+10 isnt so horrible
I saw the Dice icon and was taken back to years of WoW trauma where
I click the dice. And I get gold.
I mean +10 is what you're doing for myth vault slot anyways
if m+ didnt exist
lol same
raids would likely tune lower
But we had reforging!
people talk variety with reforging
as if they didnt just import a stat prio string
Yeah I just don’t know if it was possible to brick everything else in WAs.
If someone forked the WA stuff just for class WAs people would love it.
Also why the fuck can’t we change spell alerts and see all of our buffs in cdm blizz? 
just make it a checkbox “enable all buffs” to not overwhelm n00bs
and let robot do it
reforging was nice for when we had hit/expertise caps
well, without breakpoints like we have again there's no specific stat goals
so that system is just whatever
but needing to hit X number or percentage of stats is the issue
we call it haste tax round here
Dangit I wanted to play outlaw this season, but sub really is just effing fun.
Every time I switch I just sit and miss huge bursts lol
so play both?
I feel like blizzard punishes that immensely
God I might have to
Or wait until M+ out and try out OL out when shit doesn't die immediately.
how
You might miss a myth wep the first 2 weeks
Trinkets, main hand weapon, gated crafts and tokens
I also don't think the punishment is that huge. There's a crest / spark cost I suppose.
Stat prios also aren't egregiously different right now.
Hrrmrrmmmm I like where you guys are going with this
Much better than some of the old tiers.
That might be the play to scratch that itch
But until haste breakpoint haste likely weighs much more
Raid and push sub, slam eff around 10s on outlaw
all 3 specs want haste
Yeah.
Outlaw without haste is awful.
but have different breakpoints
Thanks for talking me off ledge 🙂
so still specific gearing which is annoying
I was about to blow my free lvl 80 on second rogue
barely different though
Just need a decent gearset add on, really.
i remember when peoppe pretended
at how many targets do we press powder guys
2
1 neck
So u evis on 2 targets
cant wait to press powder on 1
bp spam just turbofucks
It'll be good. Idk. I feel like back in the day as a sub player you basically had to multispec or you'd be a liability on certain aoe fights.
Now it's more reasonable to just play one spec.
imagine if the clones benefit from potent powder
big boom blastin bp
could you guys imagine
if we had something that made us storm once per second for a few seconds
as some kind
of
tornado of shuriken
or something like that
Idk sounds op. Put a minute CD on it.
honestly it could be something cool like frantic frenzy
(I'm obsessed with that ability)
if it made an army of clones appear in quick succession and either storm or bp a bunch on a cooldown
but actually made storm do good damage
Make it use BP. 😂
Although powder itself was kind of troll for a fairly long time.
I suppose it's really the tuning, lol.
I miss sprint water running...
now that we're clone gamers I'm not-secretly hoping for Stunning Secret return after stealing aoe blind
1000% and same with catlike reflexes
pvp andys are why you can get cced on kspree
rogue tank??
red buff shadow reflection spree
Combat fans would go bananas
rename killing spree 'Power Word: Gun'
do you get a buff in us
no
omg this would go so unbelievably hard
or the stampede of them
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Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only during lust.
Desert Eagle .50
Add in some extra visual budget and have every gun just clatter to the ground as a physics object
like Neo in the lobby scene
am i missing something
I was thinking blackbeard
Emperor Rattus is cool but the event sucks now yeah
and get every achieve
When you have a gun that fires one shot?
Wear 12 of them.
i mean outlaw had an ability that shot cannonballs
but all the combat boomers wanted less pirate
Cannon Barrage 
idk why people want to play leather fury warrior
Hell even warriors nowadays crap lightning
as part of their class
well we dont talk about how thematically boring slayer is
Im coming in here for now
every 5 minutes someone posts the ptr patch changes acting as if they are for tuesday
:(
there's only one ptr patch note I care about
and it's the datamined categories for weapon sheathing that might be nothing but could be cool
Why are you throwing shade at sub?
nah combat was basically fury in leather
I'm just killign time by writing my raid guide anyway, and going "huuuh" at some of the fights
Current sub is s3 fury with burst
s1 fury when odyns did damage
Do you think when we kill Odyn in a raid they'll rename the ability
too many buttons
is there an alternative slot to crafting second embellishment to the belt so I dont overlap ilevel with the champion belt we get?
Any low start slot
wrist
cloak, wrists, belt, jewelry
should I just go ring?
i didnt know the arcanoweave lining can go on a jewelry slot
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iirc it can't
Man. I bet Deathstalker would feel 100x better if they just removed the limit of it only being applied to one target.
Practically it wouldn't change anything - you can only shadow strike one target anyway.
Was there a hotfix to show ancient arts as an icon??
yeah looks like its trackable now
thank god
atrocity needs to see this asap
Yeah but like I don't even think that would be that obnoxious.
Would be strong for sure I guess.
multi-target singular focus
also you'd get perma-DN up when everything starts dying
which would be very very aids in aoe
you mean the black bars?
Ancient Arts buff in the CDM, nice
Yeah but like if enough stuff is going to be dying the you'd be in that scenario you'd want to use BP anyway.
The icon is blueish
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unless they fix dn blocking mark consumption then you don't get mass casualty value at all
all this to say, multi-target marks would be problematic
the icon probably just got shipped in directly not factoring in the profiles or anything
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silvermoon court helm is bugged? renown 9 cant see it on endor
Reload or relog
you need to complete the prequest for the soiree
oh thats right
Is dungeon slice good for aoe sim? Or something else?
I still have 207 rings in both slots, that's so cooked
dungeon slice is kinda to know what to gear for a m+ kinda situation
you can craft with adventurer crests btw
if you dont want to use the veteran ones
yet
Theres boes too depending on if you wanna spend the money
there is no reason to buy items right now
Yea I agree just throwing it out there
Yeah I'll probably do that, have 6 m0 to go
i mean even for me rn they became useless
Think they were fixing a typo
they most they work for is to fully upgrade an item on places i have veteran to get the 1 or 2 upgrades extra
ah
yea it was shruiken
10 - 4
shruiken
now it is shuriken
i did all of them already, but i still need to do hunts
Rings are kinda necessary to get your haste high enough
most of the loot you have atm will be replaced once heroic opens
Esp as M0 becomes daily + 1/6 Champion
yea if you really want a trink you can farm it kinda
im using the windrunner haste trink for now
and it is quite good
but also you can get puzzlebox i think
as the m0 change to the season 1 ones
ye
Aww @alpine wraith you didnt like my joke 🙁
maybe im too dumb didnt understand it
Sure i kan
Bingo
ahahaha

Already finished everything for the week... Sitting at 244
Got pretty lucky
with 20 Vet crests to spare
Can someone explain this to me? English isn't my first language and I couldn't quite understand this nor the tooltip for ancient arts.
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Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only during lust.
whats your armory fuu? want to stalk a bit
when we get enough haste, will we be able to fit a 2nd sectec during opener dance?
i might be on the biggest come up in midnight history, started at 80 haste value im now at 460, and i still got 6 dungeons left
just today
So if im reading this correctly, i'm using shadowstrike during dance until i get AA up?
That is not correct
This doesn't mention a target cap though, is this worth it no matter the targets that are up? The wowhead guide said up to 3 targets. Also the note in this says only during BL, which I have never seen before
Not until you get AA up, only if you have 5 or more stacks of shadow technique. If you don't have 5 or more stacks you use a finisher instead.
chestpeice, 522 haste now 😂
you only do it on low target counts
3 or less right
trickster got nerfed?
so outside of lust we can just send the finishes as normal?
finishers*
But if AA triggers during dance i dump a double finisher right? Or do i want to ensure that buff all the time?
makes sense! and only during bloodlust right? Why is that though? We're not generally energy starved that much, we can do this irrespective of BL.
How did the AA tech get phased out?
it is fairly neutral outside
so you can limit it to it
but even then, the optimization is not very high in terms of impact
Robot got bored so it optimized 2 finishers
Hehe
it is in part a design problem
you get too much ressources during bloodlust + cooldowns
so you can optimize for damage instead of ressoruce efficiency
Ye if ur saturated in sht then the cp u gain from strike irrelevant
it would be solvable, but i think the game has worse things to fix
That makes sense
What i dont get is how it turned into an only lust thing
U can be pretty sht saturated in regular dances
Robot dont like it tho, maybe it prefers leftover sht after blades
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how much dps loss is not doing it?
this is confusing me, can anyone explain?
What is the dps gain for doing a jump 360 once per shadow dance ?
People tell me im not doing my "rotation" right

during lust if you are at max cp and have 5 or more sht and no Apex proc, press shadowstrike again to proc before pressing a finisher
ingame or rl?
huh thats not anything like what is being said in the image that I sent
!macros
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like
WoWhead or
Icy Veins.
!macro
that’s exactly what it says minus the lust part
Okay so 3 targets or more during lust I should shadow strike to proc AA?
3 or less
right sorry
Maybe it likes striking in lust to fish for ub, isn’t tc hasted?
you would shadow strike if u had 5+ shadow technique stacks at max combp points
oh is that lust part new?
i always thought u did it at all times maybe i didnt see the lust part lmfaoo
I got used to it, so I've just been doing it constantly regardless rather than learning to switch between the two. 😂
makes it so much easier not to react to a proc though we up
Might be behind but why do we combine coup and bp?
Oh, I spent forever trying to figure out how to track ST cleanly, just know when it'll proc or not
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Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only during lust.
!macro
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like
WoWhead or
Icy Veins.
Guys, what's worth crafting with veteran crests?
2 rings? or chest with embelish
We don't have to; you can if you want to save buttons. But coup is stronger than BP and if you do combine then you don't have to track coup you can just spam the BP button.
It's little less efficient in practice as sometimes you night want to save coup for next pack or something.
I'd wait until next week and see how things go before raid - but I'd just do a blue craft with crests before raid, then craft rings with spark.
this might sound like a stupid question but do I wait for coup to finnish the anim or do I use something as soonas gcd is ready?
As soon as gcd is ready, but it’s a 1.2s gcd for reasons
alright, I just always feel like im interrupting it
ay @obsidian dew u funny af cause in ur post today in ur discord u said sin/sub but no outlaw #hater
😂

whats the addon that shows ilvl on ur character sheet and on gear icon>
Do note that the rare ring craft that can be upgraded with veteran crests is a unique-equip ring
I seen you are struggling in the same mens shirts section that I am currently in. I ended up grinding out a pvp chest for the couple extra ilvls on it.
Can we send vet crests on gear (non spark)
ya but u likely want to waiit until right before u raid if u do
to shore up some weaker slots
Or if you don't have any weak slots - save it to get free upgrades on the higher track when you get a drop and you're progressing.
not to mention if you m+ you will easily be into heroic gear. which will buy you some more upgrades by holding.
says on the larias guide that if u are crafting a weapon with embelly u only need to hold 80 vet crests for a craft assumedly to get ur last embellish
i guess its not worth the other 80 to craft a lil uppiegrade before raid without embelly?
I mean you can. I just think sending em is inefficient because you'll auto replace stuff once you've got access to M+, but getting from there to bis will be a bit of a journey. Be better to save crests and have free upgrades on the higher gear.
truege truege
vet crests dont upgrade anything further than champ 2/6 though?
ah
swapping them into higher crests?
Swapping still counts towards your crest cap so it’s only saving you from a few m+ runs or whatever
because they addded more tracks, upgrading fully in one track can let earlier levels on the next track be free
essentially converting lower crests to higher crests (not to be confused with the actual in game converting through the vendor)
whats the lowest stat value, since i doubt its actually 700 flat
685~+?
or does the game code for the 7 in the hundreds figure tigger the .1 second to dance >.>
what determins margin, different moves trigger different margins?
because of m0 blizz are gonna nerf sub
The worse your connection and your fingering are, the more haste you need
-_-
Coup is a 1.2 sec gcd spell and it accounts for human error
Also 700 puts sec tec at 19 seconds while 587 puts it at 20 seconds
Which can allow an extra cast over time
is heart of the wild trinket still good if i have 735 haste?
tight spender is better than imp ambush>
charmander might be in ds talents
Oh true that
how
you have infinite energy in dance anyway and you dont do damage outside dance
Strike is a lot of damage and we dont care about energy
why care about energy
ive felt starved but i was playing with 4% haste up until today
I think its decent on lowhaste build
well not starved, just noticed some ooe
But thats vibes
tight spender prolly more forgiving thats for sure
not really
nvm charmander was right it is 19s
any talent that does something with energy is useless or nearly useless for sub
master of shadows is nice tho..
Ye cause lust puts us at like 16 seconds
Instant symbols my beloved
yeah i said that and i got hit with "its fine!!!"
@lunar bluff feature request: change the color of energy bar above 60 energy so you know when it’s okay to send a spender
like just make it instant whats the issue -_-
so if dance is already 19 sconds i dont need 700 i can go 684+
we were wrong earlier about that
i prefer 683.75
its for dance duration
<3
tbh you should worry more later in season than now
but its ok, thats fun
:p
dont know later after balances and everything...
Tuning notes tmrw surely...
i see
haha
gotta get the 4set and trinket for the nice and easy 2x sectech blades
tuning notes tuesday morning
they wanted to keep us away from being tied to one stat tho. like we were mastsery stacking now what hasts stack if they nerf deepening
do we buy prepot this week or wait?
we are still mastery stacking
?
do you think they will go down or up next week
potions go up tuesday, yw
Buy them now and sell them later
have my knowers in the chat tested yet if the renown trinket console upgrades work in instances
Probably cheaper now.
Lots of people will panic and buy right before raid next week.
and do i need to do this on alts
Spec alch and craft then with conc hehe
with this guys that want to play meta but doesnt know that is m0 and doesnt know his class, we're gonna get nerfed because of them early season
just wait
17th is the day
No they do not
I have intensity upgrade and its always 112 crit
With or without
? mine is 157 crit
thats the stat spread in our current highest simming build
raidbots trolling with this option?
and i get 67 agi from a diff buff too
i get stronger, 20 second and agi buff from my trinket in m0
The agi is probably your weapon enchant proc
I have some logs let me look then
let me make sure the tooltip isnt lying
the agi might be my wep enchant but its the same icon and says void in the name
yeah acuitiy of rendorei is same icon
yeah it for sure works in dungeons
wtf whats the voidforge? i didnt know that
haha yeah u upgrade it 3x
Rendorei gives the buff 'might of the void' iirc
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ill proc it soon doing this world quest to upgrade it and let you know 
mine is 20s
upgraded
i forget how much it increases it
im on 3 hr sleep someone figure that out
12.0.5 class changes right are kinda troll at this timing
glad not reading rogue in there
i forgot what gives the items to upgrade it
There's a weekly from the guy by the terminal (do 3 wq) and the other is from the stormtalon thing irrc
Poor Arms Bruhs
important psa for sub players
when you use the saptor salve toy to be a saptor your shadow clones also change
so you summon dinosaurs
Owns
bis toy
slayer is the only fun thing keeping arms going
Is that real

Windows s
i mean they kinda dont show often
Take a video
but there he be
@chrome palm no longer outlaw. Dino sub new best friend.
I gotta see this
inside nexus point xenas withj a completly unbuffed trinket, 10 second duration 122 crit @warm marlin @chrome palm
I shall upgrade now and recheck
my goat
overworld inside voidstorm seems to be 25% crit 60 seconds so its just turbo in overworld
20 sec, 157 crit fully upgraded
doesnt the console thingy makes it so on voidstorm its extra bigdick?
wtf i just read pinned why are we taking away aoe blind ??
how does one have full upgrades
whats the use in delves rn, do they give veteran stones
this just makes rogue even less attractive in keysn o ???
i did all the quests
hooooly I just saw that randomly pop up on my tracked buffs. No more shadow clone skidmarks on my screen necessary 
yeah I set opacity to zero insta lol
i need this

it also works as a pangolin btw
say less
it was all me btw, I sent a bug report about it yesterday and the next day it's fixed. Coincidence? I think not! 
you act like rogue was a meta pick before
can you send one about forehead kisses after killing a boss, that's supposed to happen but its been bugged for me for a long time
or so I've been told
sorry you need to buy their "deserving love" dlc for that
dangit
wait i can just buy love?
yeah that's been a thing for a while iirc
everyone has a price
so with no aoe blind do we have the least utility ??
:graf
:graf
2x single target stuns, short incap, shroud that gets cucked in almost every pack bc truesight, atro/numbing/wound
melee kick ig
DISTRACT
i mean even last season
i like how sub feels so im just gonna pretend that they didnt change this
pickpocket, pick lock
good rogues are insane lets be real you can carry with cc alone
distract feels nice when it works and not every mob true sight
utility is a cope anyway
as soon as a spec does damage everyone lists
any cc ability a class has
as utility
tell that to swampface
true
notice how everyone talks lock utility
when they do damage
as if gate gets removed
in seasons they dont
?????
1 distract can save a key
gate, healthstone, brez
somehow people forget these exist
guys my hunters utility goes crazy last season!!
when lock isnt gaping people
tbf i think lock is the util clas
on the meter
plus their curses
lock has aoe curse of tongues now
utility of asking for a rez
Death is the best CC.
which they can amp to 100% additional power
when you forget to turtle and floorpov
yep
gotta learn to see it, rogue has a pseudo ranged kick with step
Kidney shot and cheap shot are like constantly up
oh our dmg is nice tbh
I actually have a focus step kick macro just for this lol
yeah then mm hunter is right there
or m/o step kick
or havoc DH
or a mage with 2 braincells
lil double tap-arino
being a pvp main since 05 as rogue makes my util presence felt.. my damage needs work
is havoc better than devo rn
Anyone have the string to add to Sims to make hunt proc vs humanoids
I I'm just hoping the class changes don't shift us over to DS spec
they'd have to do ungodly levels of heavy lifting on DS to make me play it
asking your mage why hasnt he landed a sheep
15%+ over trickster for me
in 2 dr sets
i stun for my mage tyvm
yeah i mean some mages need to be babysat
Is it me or they dumbed down too much this xpac?
its one of the biggest skill diff classes
we only RM tho
like every spec i try is wtf.... Subtlety is 3 button class, Priest too T_T
Wait for bug fixes… right?
inside xenas buffed intensity trinkey, 147 crit 10 sec duration. seems to work will check murder row
@warm marlin @chrome palm

2s its easier to full cover tbf
seems to work
is it even possible to get all 3 currency in one week
according to retroz here he has it fully upped
no way im logging in before raid to do my voidstorm wq
ye but if u started last week
i remember playing both sides of the matchup lol
i can screen cap it if people need it but im offline
you might live it? if they're not checking and you flesh during a relevant setup
i got 3 nodes filled on my voidthing
supposedly you can get at least 2 a week
this thing already outsims it so idgaf about the dailies 
i think i had 2 things on that console before this reset?
already
i forget where they're from
the buffs arent working on sims tho
i clicked the options on and the sim didnt change
so its undersimming!!!
It's hella bugged in sims, btw.
!!!!!
this xpac naturally is gonna be janky from all the big changes
We have no idea what procs it - currently it doesn't proc in sims.
ui, class, etc
Yeah sims is thinking we are playing left handed
wait you arent?
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

I for one, play with both hands
I do indeed play with both hands aswell
one hand on rotato one hand on sack of potatos
i cant take anyone who plays that class fr
imagine animating emotion from that
would you date a paladin
i need to know the level of detest
Probably not as bad as the love/hate dynamic with priest players.
how do i tell a difference between players and people in 2026
everyone meta chases and has been playing for 20 years
its not legalas vibes anymore
otps exist
dont play hunter cause fantasy u play cause bbrr dps
Oh god, purple Bloodfang. People. Here gonna go crazy
also idk
just teasin
i think we are the biggest otp right
rogue feels like a different game
at least pvp
Aug tbh.
oo good takee
you mean sub technically
But yeah, a lot of rogue one tricks.
assa is run at people
Apparently the stormarian cache has a random drop chance 
hmm
Eboi
not something i can say
this is actually the worst event
ever
Be there the moment it spawns or no credit for u idiot









