#subtlety

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umbral bone
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why is that good, to see duration?

hollow spear
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no more black on black

umbral bone
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u dont like the visual?

hollow spear
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it's complete ass

umbral bone
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wtf

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why lol

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its just black bars

hollow spear
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which you won't see when it's in front of a black/dark background

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unless you are playing in light mode or sth

umbral bone
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theres an opacity bar

hollow spear
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I know

umbral bone
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ok do u tho

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happy its there now for ya

swift tinsel
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make the dark darker in a dark place

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helpful

jade urchin
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what are yall crafting with veteran crests for hc raid?

warm marlin
jade urchin
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have veteran in every slot so im unsure

swift tinsel
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5head

umbral bone
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do delvs 7 give veterna

hollow spear
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don't worry, I got the fix

jade urchin
swift tinsel
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its like when you load a game for the first time and they tell you to adjust the slider until the symbol is barely visible

warm marlin
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I trusted that metric for way way too long

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sitting there trying to see if its just barely visible

swift tinsel
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as soon as I loaded into the actual game I changed it anyways lol

hollow spear
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it was always either way too bright or way too dark

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no idea what they tried to achieve

swift tinsel
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"we wanna create atmosphere"

umbral bone
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is might of the void buff from the voidstorm trinket after maxxed out?

swift tinsel
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RE games were the worst about that for me

umbral bone
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im getting agi now

limpid sage
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I remember feeling super smart as a kid when I found out that you could just increase brightness to 100% instead of making torches in minecraft

umbral bone
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i remember being to old to ever play mc

swift tinsel
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people that were able to sneak around and Interrogate in Murder Row without getting caught, did they change it this week? Wasn't able to reliably sneak to the room off to the right or the one by the lamp post off to the left of the starting area

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could do it quite easily last week

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the nearby mobs auto-aggroed as soon as they registered as being interrogated

willow knoll
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MC is one of the best games

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game has the vibes

lilac stag
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@swift tinsel you’re alting DH yea?

swift tinsel
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atm yeah

lilac stag
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apparently if you craft int 1h it saves you crests for oh upgrade. just have to commute to devourer

swift tinsel
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oh? that's weird

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interesting

lilac stag
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yeah was crafting for our DH and he was going to do int with spark and I asked if he was sure an he mentioned that

swift tinsel
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did a few m0 as devourer and it was big boom blastin, was pretty fun

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still prefer havoc but fun to dabble

umbral bone
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do u get 2k rep with silvermoon court each week you do the eversong defend the rune thing?

swift tinsel
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pretty sure ye

calm cloud
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i just got a spark of radiance from a delve?

dire ravine
calm cloud
swift tinsel
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ye catchup sparks can come from delves/dungeons/raid/etc

dire ravine
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ketchup

willow knoll
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you get 2 sparks for now right

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like altogether

stuck arrow
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Two last week.

vale pine
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if sparks are confusing

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it works just like before, just that 1 spark is now what a half spark was before

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so every time you got half a spark before, you now get 1 spark instead

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but crafting costs twice as many sparks

unreal musk
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Damn no changes to rogue or im blind

vale pine
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no tuning before 17th

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you need to wait

unreal musk
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Ahh its for .5

lilac stag
chrome palm
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when did we get this

warm marlin
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john blizzard has blessed us with a gift

dark roost
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picking up a conversation from the other day - what is the actual raw stat i should aim for? not the %

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for haste this is, sorry

warm marlin
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680-700 range

dark roost
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do you know what that transltes to in %? out of curiosity

warm marlin
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unbuffed with alacrity like 18%

dark roost
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but thanks that is useful - is getting my haste to that 680-700 range the most important secondary stat optimization?

warm marlin
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avoiding vers is also kinda important

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vers sucks now

lilac stag
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sim it but to keep it simple aim for 650 and avoid vers

warm marlin
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but yes haste to 700 is important

chrome palm
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you can also just get to ~540 and haste flask

lilac stag
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700 the safest of numbers

minor current
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Hey guys, any reason to not craft the dagger?

lilac stag
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outlaw copium

minor current
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I'm a bit of a noob about this crafting stuff

dark roost
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free daggers!

warm marlin
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unless you're close to making the breakpoint for 680 haste i'd play a crit mast item of similar ilvl over a haste vers one

vale pine
warm marlin
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or id sim it

lilac stag
dark roost
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wtf?

chrome palm
warm marlin
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if i didn't want to sim it i'd assume crit/mast is better

dark roost
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this a hunter meme or real

vale pine
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ohh

jade urchin
vale pine
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nice

dark roost
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wth, i knew they could dual wield but why daggers

chrome palm
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SURELY they fixed implacable cdm.. right?

lilac stag
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Pathfinder wants fastest 1h (daggers)

dark roost
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rah

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thankfully no sv hunters either...

lilac stag
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so you think

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mM is bugged

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That gets fixed. Sv best hunter spec

vale pine
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are there still 2 vanish instances in the cdm?

dark roost
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plan c then - as loot master i will just happen to win the roll each time

chrome palm
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they did not fix the implacable cdm

lilac stag
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confirmed realz now likes Sub

swift tinsel
chrome palm
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still 2 vanish still backstab

warm marlin
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m+ers getting myth track loot somewhat deterministic from dungeons now

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interesting

dark roost
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yeah saw that, pretty radical

keen dome
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Yeah, the system seems great

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A pretty good itteraiton on their previous attempts of bad luck protection

dark roost
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agreed

lilac stag
dark roost
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.5 patch

keen dome
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Just keep cooking blizz and eventually you'll arrive at the answer we all know works: deterministic currency loot

keen dome
chrome palm
hollow spear
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oh

ripe flame
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there's also like an ilvl boost item

hollow spear
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there's a also a M+ rating boost system, they call it something like resilient keys or something

warm marlin
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yeah turbo boost but not crest related this time

hollow spear
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I hate turbo boost

warm marlin
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seems like it could be timegated

lilac stag
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@chrome palm are you running outlaw next week? no shade, I’m genuinely curious how it goes if you do.

hollow spear
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it kinda turned me off from playing last season

chrome palm
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sub without tier/trinket is quite something

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and without knowing the specific add spawns it has no real advantage over outlaw as i see it

lilac stag
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hit me with your cdm setup for gunslinger.

plush roost
lilac stag
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I know we were pretty close on our sub setups

chrome palm
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arcui shit itself recently so im trying to fix it

lilac stag
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I’m at eye doctor. Tag me whenever. I should set something up. Hahah

plush roost
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Bro im scared for arcUI users on tuesday

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That shit is 100% bricking

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Have a backup rdy ngl

civic lava
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
chrome palm
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arcui is in competition with windows

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for which one is scarier to update

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i had a heart attack today

swift tinsel
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not using it anymore has me feeling like waking up at 8 hours of solid sleep

chrome palm
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i thought i paused windows updates weeks ago and i got a (Almost done!) when i turned my pc on today

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ai is haunting me

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ai windows into ai graphics driver into ai addons i never stood a chance

lilac stag
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yeah it auto ran on me.

hollow spear
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'smere?

chrome palm
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ellesmere is turbo malware ngl

swift tinsel
swift tinsel
chrome palm
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it is trying to set my uiscale to 53 instead of 53.333

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so my arcui "floats" around starege

chrome palm
hollow spear
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Irredeemable

swift tinsel
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yeah the cooldown one tracks the buff duration atm

chrome palm
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he is doing something weird with buffs for sure

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gravedigger shows the apex icon instead of the cdm one

swift tinsel
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there's stuff in the works to allow adjusting what's shown on a case by case basis

astral axle
swift tinsel
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its also still in beta atm so that stuff is getting worked on

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the buglist is huge atm lol

lilac stag
hollow spear
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Arcui not so low key starting to piss me off with the resets tho

lilac stag
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🤝

hollow spear
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If it works I'm a big fan

south kernel
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!up

lilac stag
hollow spear
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I get that. People might get angry at you rather than the actual culprit.

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I wanted to finetune my UI on Saturday, but I'm afraid I might waste my time.

lilac stag
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thankfully my sub setup hasn’t had any issues

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but I don’t think I did any “strange” setups

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and it’s all contained in arc

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vs using other parts for anchoring

chrome palm
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i think using arc's anchoring is forbidden

lilac stag
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which I think also maybe happening with how unintuitive some of the ui is in arc

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the only thing I’d like to anchor is the flawless stacks over evicerate

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And I’ve not seen a way to do that

warm marlin
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hardcoded positions on top

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arcui never broke for me

swift tinsel
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I refuse to use anchors for anything

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natty moves, gimme x/y coordinates all day

lilac stag
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I think we’ve also had a good group of 5-6 of us messing with it early

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and we’ve kinda figured out what worked together

swift tinsel
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ye

warm marlin
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I tried anchoring stuff early on and it was not the move

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i do not trust it!

lilac stag
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I trust arc to do it in arc. I don’t trust any addon to share anchoring with another

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too much room for proprietary fighting

chrome palm
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i trust arc
Cheesin

warm marlin
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i dont even trust that after how many people talk about it updating and bricking it

shell willow
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
warm marlin
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it can't mess up my exact x/y coordinates surely

lilac stag
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I also don’t really see a reason for it

warm marlin
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i trust it with that (maybe)

chrome palm
warm marlin
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it's too late for me to swap now

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im committed

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i thought people really liked ellesmere stuff though

vale pine
chrome palm
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delete the cdm from the game biggest mistake ever

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i just want the weak auras back

warm marlin
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if i remake my ui it will be in the wa fork

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nothing else will suffice

tulip silo
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Noooo you cant have your airhorn blasting rainbow glowing icons

chrome palm
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now i feel like the picture of the dog getting injected with aluminum when i have to install 10 addons

chrome palm
warm marlin
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the cursor ring wa i used is now an addon

hoary bloom
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!macros

wicked joltBOT
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Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like wowhead WoWhead or IV Icy Veins.

warm marlin
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ultimate mouse cursor

upper laurel
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Hey guys, what’s our prio on two targets? Do we even touch shuriken and black powder?

warm marlin
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shadowstrike > shuriken storm
coup > bp

lilac stag
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just shut down the Paladin discord until ellesmere ui isn’t buggy

harsh gale
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So with voidforge, if I'm reading it right, we will be able to farm 2 mythic track loot from m+ weekly?

swift tinsel
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yesp, either 1 raid item or 2 m+ items

harsh gale
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Cracked af

swift tinsel
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now m+ can actually award myth track gear more than one item per week

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to keep pace-ish with raid

lilac stag
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It works for everything else

umbral bone
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Xpac seems very player qol centered

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Loaded bonus rolls. Voidforge.

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No valor

lilac stag
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their CDM begs to differ on player qol

umbral bone
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Add-ons needed to go

lilac stag
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WA needed to go. Addons did not. Especially with nothing close to ready to replace it

umbral bone
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Respect

lilac stag
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now we have 354505 vibe coded POS fighting each other.

mental saffron
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Will we be able to aquire Voidcores from week 1?

swift tinsel
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unsure for season 2 but def won't be able to season 1 since it comes with the 0.5 patch

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but I imagine this is replacing the dinar system

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or at least an experiment

shrewd lantern
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honestly

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i think class wa were fine

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it was the dumb ass autoassign was

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that were out of hand

torn tide
hazy breach
south pelican
swift tinsel
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one from vault, two from the voidcores

hazy breach
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In .5

swift tinsel
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so three possible myth track from m+

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yes

hazy breach
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Not on launch

shrewd lantern
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more m+

torn tide
swift tinsel
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yeah this won't be for a while

swift tinsel
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or the same threshold that the vault would give myth, hero, etc

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so it matches vault ilvl

torn tide
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oh ool

astral axle
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Oh this is helpful

shrewd lantern
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sometimes i wonder how raid tuning would have been like

torn tide
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+10 isnt so horrible

astral axle
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I saw the Dice icon and was taken back to years of WoW trauma where

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I click the dice. And I get gold.

swift tinsel
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I mean +10 is what you're doing for myth vault slot anyways

shrewd lantern
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if m+ didnt exist

swift tinsel
shrewd lantern
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raids would likely tune lower

hollow spear
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But we had reforging!

shrewd lantern
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people talk variety with reforging

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as if they didnt just import a stat prio string

lilac stag
# shrewd lantern i think class wa were fine

Yeah I just don’t know if it was possible to brick everything else in WAs.

If someone forked the WA stuff just for class WAs people would love it.

Also why the fuck can’t we change spell alerts and see all of our buffs in cdm blizz? garf_sit

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just make it a checkbox “enable all buffs” to not overwhelm n00bs

shrewd lantern
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and let robot do it

swift tinsel
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reforging was nice for when we had hit/expertise caps

shrewd lantern
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i mean wow isnt overly complex

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idk what the issue was

swift tinsel
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well, without breakpoints like we have again there's no specific stat goals

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so that system is just whatever

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but needing to hit X number or percentage of stats is the issue

shrewd lantern
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the entire download an entire wa pack

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for a singular boss though

shrewd lantern
idle aurora
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Dangit I wanted to play outlaw this season, but sub really is just effing fun.

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Every time I switch I just sit and miss huge bursts lol

shrewd lantern
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so play both?

idle aurora
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I feel like blizzard punishes that immensely

deft lynx
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create that second rogue

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no one can tell you otherwise

idle aurora
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God I might have to

stuck arrow
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Or wait until M+ out and try out OL out when shit doesn't die immediately.

shrewd lantern
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You might miss a myth wep the first 2 weeks

idle aurora
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Trinkets, main hand weapon, gated crafts and tokens

stuck arrow
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I also don't think the punishment is that huge. There's a crest / spark cost I suppose.

shrewd lantern
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thats it really

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you’ll have a hero mh instead of oh for like 2 weeks

stuck arrow
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Stat prios also aren't egregiously different right now.

idle aurora
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Hrrmrrmmmm I like where you guys are going with this

stuck arrow
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Much better than some of the old tiers.

idle aurora
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That might be the play to scratch that itch

umbral bone
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But until haste breakpoint haste likely weighs much more

idle aurora
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Raid and push sub, slam eff around 10s on outlaw

dense geode
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all 3 specs want haste

stuck arrow
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Yeah.

umbral bone
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Oh

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Good

stuck arrow
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Outlaw without haste is awful.

swift tinsel
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but have different breakpoints

idle aurora
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Thanks for talking me off ledge 🙂

swift tinsel
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so still specific gearing which is annoying

idle aurora
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I was about to blow my free lvl 80 on second rogue

dense geode
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barely different though

stuck arrow
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Just need a decent gearset add on, really.

dense geode
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haste changes depending on spec so

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they are close

swift tinsel
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25% vs 700 rating

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sin is lucky and takes whatever

shrewd lantern
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i remember when peoppe pretended

hoary bloom
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at how many targets do we press powder guys

shrewd lantern
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sub and sin had much different gear last season

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meaning

umbral bone
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3

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Oh

shrewd lantern
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1 neck

umbral bone
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So u evis on 2 targets

vale pine
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you bp on 2

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you storm on 2

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in dance storm on 3

shrewd lantern
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prob not in raid if targeted into wepmaster

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over potent powder

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but yeah

tulip light
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cant wait to press powder on 1

shrewd lantern
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bp spam just turbofucks

stuck arrow
swift tinsel
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imagine if the clones benefit from potent powder

shrewd lantern
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aoe fight

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so

swift tinsel
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big boom blastin bp

shrewd lantern
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orgozoa

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legion if you wanted aoe you just played

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lego cloak

swift tinsel
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could you guys imagine

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if we had something that made us storm once per second for a few seconds

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as some kind

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of

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tornado of shuriken

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or something like that

shrewd lantern
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lmao that ability

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worst one

stuck arrow
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Idk sounds op. Put a minute CD on it.

swift tinsel
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honestly it could be something cool like frantic frenzy

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(I'm obsessed with that ability)

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if it made an army of clones appear in quick succession and either storm or bp a bunch on a cooldown

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but actually made storm do good damage

stuck arrow
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Make it use BP. 😂

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Although powder itself was kind of troll for a fairly long time.

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I suppose it's really the tuning, lol.

shrewd lantern
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i miss shadow reflection

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just uhh dont make it dupe kidney

keen dome
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I miss sprint water running...

swift tinsel
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now that we're clone gamers I'm not-secretly hoping for Stunning Secret return after stealing aoe blind

swift tinsel
shrewd lantern
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pvp andys are why you can get cced on kspree

swift tinsel
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hey realz, curious about aoe blind removal

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something in the pipeline?

keen dome
shrewd lantern
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red buff shadow reflection spree

swift tinsel
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Combat fans would go bananas

keen dome
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rename killing spree 'Power Word: Gun'

swift tinsel
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instead of a tumbleweed you get swooping bald eagles

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SCAWWW

shrewd lantern
keen dome
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no

mint swift
keen dome
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the tumbleweed gfx owns

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add a 1% chance that the shadow clone spawns as a murloc

swift tinsel
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or the stampede of them

dire hare
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!aa

wicked joltBOT
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Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

  • Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
    Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
    Note: Only during lust.
lilac stag
keen dome
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Add in some extra visual budget and have every gun just clatter to the ground as a physics object

swift tinsel
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like Neo in the lobby scene

shrewd lantern
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am i missing something

keen dome
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I was thinking blackbeard

shrewd lantern
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or is abundance the dumbest event

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ever

keen dome
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Emperor Rattus is cool but the event sucks now yeah

shrewd lantern
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like you just

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join a raid

shrewd lantern
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and get every achieve

shrewd lantern
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i mean outlaw had an ability that shot cannonballs

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but all the combat boomers wanted less pirate

keen dome
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Cannon Barrage coup_de_grace

shrewd lantern
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idk why people want to play leather fury warrior

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Hell even warriors nowadays crap lightning

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as part of their class

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well we dont talk about how thematically boring slayer is

mint swift
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Im coming in here for now

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every 5 minutes someone posts the ptr patch changes acting as if they are for tuesday

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:(

shrewd lantern
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the best is posting patch notes

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from a year ago

keen dome
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there's only one ptr patch note I care about

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and it's the datamined categories for weapon sheathing that might be nothing but could be cool

lilac stag
shrewd lantern
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nah combat was basically fury in leather

keen dome
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I'm just killign time by writing my raid guide anyway, and going "huuuh" at some of the fights

lilac stag
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Current sub is s3 fury with burst

shrewd lantern
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s1 fury when odyns did damage

keen dome
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Do you think when we kill Odyn in a raid they'll rename the ability

lilac stag
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too many buttons

atomic steeple
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is there an alternative slot to crafting second embellishment to the belt so I dont overlap ilevel with the champion belt we get?

lilac stag
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Any low start slot

tulip light
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wrist

lilac stag
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cloak, wrists, belt, jewelry

atomic steeple
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should I just go ring?

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i didnt know the arcanoweave lining can go on a jewelry slot

runic sinew
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
stuck arrow
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Man. I bet Deathstalker would feel 100x better if they just removed the limit of it only being applied to one target.

Practically it wouldn't change anything - you can only shadow strike one target anyway.

swift tinsel
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unless you tab target strike and it applies every strike

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and mass casualty scaling

acoustic lodge
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Was there a hotfix to show ancient arts as an icon??

finite hedge
hazy breach
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Seems so

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No first dance though

gilded ferry
gilded ferry
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atrocity needs to see this asap

stuck arrow
swift tinsel
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multi-target singular focus

acoustic lodge
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Its on atrocity already

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that's what I use

swift tinsel
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also you'd get perma-DN up when everything starts dying

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which would be very very aids in aoe

gilded ferry
swift tinsel
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Ancient Arts buff in the CDM, nice

stuck arrow
acoustic lodge
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The icon is blueish

glacial hinge
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
swift tinsel
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all this to say, multi-target marks would be problematic

tepid trellis
silver hearth
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!spreadsheet

wicked joltBOT
umbral bone
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silvermoon court helm is bugged? renown 9 cant see it on endor

winter current
alpine wraith
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you need to complete the prequest for the soiree

umbral bone
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oh thats right

drifting dew
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Is dungeon slice good for aoe sim? Or something else?

hollow spear
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I still have 207 rings in both slots, that's so cooked

alpine wraith
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dungeon slice is kinda to know what to gear for a m+ kinda situation

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you can craft with adventurer crests btw

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if you dont want to use the veteran ones

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yet

drifting dew
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Theres boes too depending on if you wanna spend the money

vale pine
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there is no reason to buy items right now

drifting dew
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Yea I agree just throwing it out there

hollow spear
alpine wraith
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i mean even for me rn they became useless

celest mulch
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Think they were fixing a typo

alpine wraith
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they most they work for is to fully upgrade an item on places i have veteran to get the 1 or 2 upgrades extra

strange chasm
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ah

alpine wraith
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yea it was shruiken

strange chasm
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10 - 4

warm marlin
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shruiken

alpine wraith
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now it is shuriken

celest mulch
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Can I go to the bathroom? Shuriken

vale pine
hollow spear
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Rings are kinda necessary to get your haste high enough

vale pine
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most of the loot you have atm will be replaced once heroic opens

keen dome
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Esp as M0 becomes daily + 1/6 Champion

alpine wraith
#

yea if you really want a trink you can farm it kinda

#

im using the windrunner haste trink for now

#

and it is quite good

#

but also you can get puzzlebox i think

#

as the m0 change to the season 1 ones

keen dome
#

ye

celest mulch
#

Aww @alpine wraith you didnt like my joke 🙁

alpine wraith
#

maybe im too dumb didnt understand it

plush roost
#

Sure i kan

celest mulch
alpine wraith
#

ahahaha

celest mulch
#

It was a bad joke tbh

plush roost
celest mulch
#

Already finished everything for the week... Sitting at 244

#

Got pretty lucky

#

with 20 Vet crests to spare

short vessel
#

Can someone explain this to me? English isn't my first language and I couldn't quite understand this nor the tooltip for ancient arts.

vale pine
#

!aa

wicked joltBOT
#

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

  • Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
    Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
    Note: Only during lust.
vale pine
#

^ follow this

#

you can do it allways, but its only realy benefitial during bloodlust

tulip light
#

whats your armory fuu? want to stalk a bit

dense mountain
#

when we get enough haste, will we be able to fit a 2nd sectec during opener dance?

umbral bone
#

i might be on the biggest come up in midnight history, started at 80 haste value im now at 460, and i still got 6 dungeons left

#

just today

short vessel
hazy breach
#

That is not correct

fleet sluice
fleet sluice
umbral bone
#

chestpeice, 522 haste now 😂

vale pine
pulsar hemlock
#

3 or less right

elder herald
#

trickster got nerfed?

odd jacinth
#

finishers*

vale pine
#

yes

#

its optional outside of bloodlust

short vessel
#

But if AA triggers during dance i dump a double finisher right? Or do i want to ensure that buff all the time?

fleet sluice
graceful rock
#

How did the AA tech get phased out?

vale pine
#

so you can limit it to it

#

but even then, the optimization is not very high in terms of impact

plush roost
#

Hehe

vale pine
#

it is in part a design problem

#

you get too much ressources during bloodlust + cooldowns

#

so you can optimize for damage instead of ressoruce efficiency

plush roost
#

Ye if ur saturated in sht then the cp u gain from strike irrelevant

vale pine
#

it would be solvable, but i think the game has worse things to fix

graceful rock
#

That makes sense

plush roost
#

What i dont get is how it turned into an only lust thing

#

U can be pretty sht saturated in regular dances

#

Robot dont like it tho, maybe it prefers leftover sht after blades

glacial wind
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
azure mauve
vale pine
#

0.2-0.4%

#

so, nothing

ebon osprey
#

this is confusing me, can anyone explain?

grim vessel
#

What is the dps gain for doing a jump 360 once per shadow dance ?

meager coyote
#

From complicated but sensical spec to simple nonsensical spec

grim vessel
#

People tell me im not doing my "rotation" right

meager coyote
tepid trellis
ebon osprey
shadow snow
#

!macros

wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like wowhead WoWhead or IV Icy Veins.

shadow snow
#

!macro

warm marlin
#

that’s exactly what it says minus the lust part

ebon osprey
#

Okay so 3 targets or more during lust I should shadow strike to proc AA?

west tide
#

3 or less

ebon osprey
#

right sorry

chrome palm
#

Maybe it likes striking in lust to fish for ub, isn’t tc hasted?

west tide
#

you would shadow strike if u had 5+ shadow technique stacks at max combp points

#

oh is that lust part new?

#

i always thought u did it at all times maybe i didnt see the lust part lmfaoo

stuck arrow
#

The lust part is new.

#

It's neutral outside of lust.

west tide
#

mm ok

#

cool tech to have in the pocket in lil burst windows/damage amp likely tho!

stuck arrow
#

I got used to it, so I've just been doing it constantly regardless rather than learning to switch between the two. 😂

west tide
#

makes it so much easier not to react to a proc though we up

strange chasm
#

Might be behind but why do we combine coup and bp?

stuck arrow
#

Oh, I spent forever trying to figure out how to track ST cleanly, just know when it'll proc or not

torpid echo
#

!aa

wicked joltBOT
#

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

  • Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
  • Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
    Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
    Note: Only during lust.
vale pine
wicked joltBOT
#

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like wowhead WoWhead or IV Icy Veins.

inland glacier
#

Guys, what's worth crafting with veteran crests?

#

2 rings? or chest with embelish

stuck arrow
# strange chasm Might be behind but why do we combine coup and bp?

We don't have to; you can if you want to save buttons. But coup is stronger than BP and if you do combine then you don't have to track coup you can just spam the BP button.

It's little less efficient in practice as sometimes you night want to save coup for next pack or something.

stuck arrow
# inland glacier

I'd wait until next week and see how things go before raid - but I'd just do a blue craft with crests before raid, then craft rings with spark.

serene sierra
#

Is that trinket good ?

#

I have Emberwing feather in bag

#

no idea whats better

ebon osprey
#

this might sound like a stupid question but do I wait for coup to finnish the anim or do I use something as soonas gcd is ready?

upper narwhal
ebon osprey
#

alright, I just always feel like im interrupting it

west tide
#

ay @obsidian dew u funny af cause in ur post today in ur discord u said sin/sub but no outlaw #hater

#

😂

obsidian dew
#

IDK if outlaw should craft a weapon

#

they're weird

upper cosmos
umbral bone
#

whats the addon that shows ilvl on ur character sheet and on gear icon>

modern spade
frail bone
rigid delta
#

Can we send vet crests on gear (non spark)

west tide
#

ya but u likely want to waiit until right before u raid if u do

#

to shore up some weaker slots

stuck arrow
#

Or if you don't have any weak slots - save it to get free upgrades on the higher track when you get a drop and you're progressing.

frail bone
#

not to mention if you m+ you will easily be into heroic gear. which will buy you some more upgrades by holding.

west tide
#

says on the larias guide that if u are crafting a weapon with embelly u only need to hold 80 vet crests for a craft assumedly to get ur last embellish

#

i guess its not worth the other 80 to craft a lil uppiegrade before raid without embelly?

stuck arrow
#

I mean you can. I just think sending em is inefficient because you'll auto replace stuff once you've got access to M+, but getting from there to bis will be a bit of a journey. Be better to save crests and have free upgrades on the higher gear.

west tide
#

truege truege

rigid delta
#

vet crests dont upgrade anything further than champ 2/6 though?

#

ah

#

swapping them into higher crests?

stable plume
#

Swapping still counts towards your crest cap so it’s only saving you from a few m+ runs or whatever

west tide
#

because they addded more tracks, upgrading fully in one track can let earlier levels on the next track be free

#

essentially converting lower crests to higher crests (not to be confused with the actual in game converting through the vendor)

umbral bone
#

whats the lowest stat value, since i doubt its actually 700 flat

#

685~+?

#

or does the game code for the 7 in the hundreds figure tigger the .1 second to dance >.>

umbral bone
#

what determins margin, different moves trigger different margins?

graceful crown
#

because of m0 blizz are gonna nerf sub

hollow spear
#

The worse your connection and your fingering are, the more haste you need

graceful crown
#

-_-

plush roost
#

Coup is a 1.2 sec gcd spell and it accounts for human error

#

Also 700 puts sec tec at 19 seconds while 587 puts it at 20 seconds

#

Which can allow an extra cast over time

umbral bone
#

i see

#

that 7 triggers it

lean sigil
#

is heart of the wild trinket still good if i have 735 haste?

umbral bone
#

waut

#

imat 19sec

graceful crown
#

: -D

umbral bone
#

tight spender is better than imp ambush>

plush roost
#

Youre more likely at 19.8

#

Blizz tooltips xd

warm marlin
#

charmander might be in ds talents

umbral bone
#

oh ambush was 4% of my total dmg, ew

#

tight spender should be way better

plush roost
#

Oh true that

warm marlin
#

tight spender is garbage

#

awful talent

umbral bone
#

how

warm marlin
#

you have infinite energy in dance anyway and you dont do damage outside dance

plush roost
#

Strike is a lot of damage and we dont care about energy

warm marlin
#

why care about energy

umbral bone
#

ive felt starved but i was playing with 4% haste up until today

plush roost
#

I think its decent on lowhaste build

umbral bone
#

well not starved, just noticed some ooe

plush roost
#

But thats vibes

umbral bone
#

tight spender prolly more forgiving thats for sure

chrome palm
#

not really

plush roost
#

Youre gonna be ooe outside of dance

#

Its intended design

umbral bone
#

i see

#

shadow tecs keeping us up

warm marlin
chrome palm
#

any talent that does something with energy is useless or nearly useless for sub

#

master of shadows is nice tho..

plush roost
warm marlin
#

mos would be goated if it was instant

#

unlucky

plush roost
#

Instant symbols my beloved

chrome palm
#

yeah i said that and i got hit with "its fine!!!"

stable plume
#

@lunar bluff feature request: change the color of energy bar above 60 energy so you know when it’s okay to send a spender

chrome palm
#

like just make it instant whats the issue -_-

umbral bone
#

so if dance is already 19 sconds i dont need 700 i can go 684+

#

we were wrong earlier about that

tepid trellis
#

main thing about haste

#

is not for sectech cd

graceful crown
#

i prefer 683.75

tepid trellis
#

its for dance duration

plush roost
#

700 is still preffered by the sim

#

Iirc

umbral bone
#

gotcha

#

mirannda a person of class

graceful crown
#

<3

#

tbh you should worry more later in season than now

#

but its ok, thats fun

#

:p

umbral bone
#

well i wanna practice the proper rotation

#

seems were kinda gated

#

unless i can?

graceful crown
#

dont know later after balances and everything...

plush roost
#

Tuning notes tmrw surely...

warm marlin
#

it will change a decent bit with guidon

#

its kind of important

graceful crown
#

imagine 120% of your haste stat

#

instead 150%

#

doomed

#

(?)

umbral bone
#

i see

plush roost
#

Imagine tuning notes monday night

#

Chaos

graceful crown
#

haha

tepid trellis
#

gotta get the 4set and trinket for the nice and easy 2x sectech blades

bleak night
#

tuning notes tuesday morning

umbral bone
#

they wanted to keep us away from being tied to one stat tho. like we were mastsery stacking now what hasts stack if they nerf deepening

lean sigil
#

do we buy prepot this week or wait?

tepid trellis
#

we are still mastery stacking

plush roost
lean sigil
umbral bone
#

potions go up tuesday, yw

keen dome
#

Buy them now and sell them later

warm marlin
#

have my knowers in the chat tested yet if the renown trinket console upgrades work in instances

stuck arrow
warm marlin
#

and do i need to do this on alts

plush roost
#

Spec alch and craft then with conc hehe

graceful crown
#

with this guys that want to play meta but doesnt know that is m0 and doesnt know his class, we're gonna get nerfed because of them early season

#

just wait

#

17th is the day

plush roost
#

I have intensity upgrade and its always 112 crit

#

With or without

umbral bone
#

? mine is 157 crit

tepid trellis
warm marlin
#

raidbots trolling with this option?

umbral bone
#

and i get 67 agi from a diff buff too

#

i get stronger, 20 second and agi buff from my trinket in m0

keen dome
#

The agi is probably your weapon enchant proc

stuck arrow
#

I think it only works in the void dungeons.

#

But half the raid in the void. So.

plush roost
#

I have some logs let me look then

chrome palm
#

i get 147 in silvermoon

#

unless they count the voidstorm in the sky

#

murder row

warm marlin
#

the raidbots sim option doesn't even do anything bro ICANT

chrome palm
#

let me make sure the tooltip isnt lying

umbral bone
#

the agi might be my wep enchant but its the same icon and says void in the name

plush roost
#

yeah acuitiy of rendorei is same icon

umbral bone
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

oh ok ty

chrome palm
#

yeah it for sure works in dungeons

graceful crown
#

wtf whats the voidforge? i didnt know that

umbral bone
#

haha yeah u upgrade it 3x

keen dome
#

Rendorei gives the buff 'might of the void' iirc

sly shore
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
plush roost
#

how long is unbuffed trinket?

#

any knowers

warm marlin
#

ill proc it soon doing this world quest to upgrade it and let you know garf

plush roost
chrome palm
#

mine is 20s

#

upgraded

#

i forget how much it increases it

#

im on 3 hr sleep someone figure that out

haughty mural
#

12.0.5 class changes right are kinda troll at this timing

#

glad not reading rogue in there

shrewd lantern
#

i forgot what gives the items to upgrade it

plush roost
#

hm

warm marlin
#

it was 15s @chrome palm

#

i think

keen dome
#

There's a weekly from the guy by the terminal (do 3 wq) and the other is from the stormtalon thing irrc

lilac stag
bleak night
#

important psa for sub players

#

when you use the saptor salve toy to be a saptor your shadow clones also change

#

so you summon dinosaurs

keen dome
#

Owns

robust light
#

bis toy

haughty mural
haughty mural
bleak night
#

real

#

its hard to take ss of the clones though

chrome palm
#

Windows s

bleak night
warm marlin
#

wait I also just procced a 50s one

bleak night
#

i mean they kinda dont show often

chrome palm
#

Take a video

bleak night
#

but there he be

lilac stag
chrome palm
#

I gotta see this

plush roost
#

inside nexus point xenas withj a completly unbuffed trinket, 10 second duration 122 crit @warm marlin @chrome palm

#

I shall upgrade now and recheck

warm marlin
#

my goat

chrome palm
#

How was urs 15s bingus

#

Did you stretch it

plush roost
#

overworld inside voidstorm seems to be 25% crit 60 seconds so its just turbo in overworld

warm marlin
#

it was 15s one proc and then 50s+

#

idk

#

i was just hitting mobs

bleak night
umbral bone
ripe flame
robust light
#

wtf i just read pinned why are we taking away aoe blind ??

plush roost
#

how does one have full upgrades

umbral bone
#

whats the use in delves rn, do they give veteran stones

robust light
#

this just makes rogue even less attractive in keysn o ???

umbral bone
#

i did all the quests

north schooner
swift tinsel
#

yeah I set opacity to zero insta lol

warm marlin
umbral bone
#

my opacity is 100%

#

and i slam that second finisher hella quick

#

hate me

swift tinsel
bleak night
#

it also works as a pangolin btw

swift tinsel
north schooner
shrewd lantern
bleak night
swift tinsel
#

or so I've been told

north schooner
#

sorry you need to buy their "deserving love" dlc for that

swift tinsel
#

dangit

bleak night
#

wait i can just buy love?

swift tinsel
#

yeah that's been a thing for a while iirc

north schooner
#

everyone has a price

robust light
#

so with no aoe blind do we have the least utility ??

swift tinsel
#

I mean we have some but its not good

#

or useful

shrewd lantern
#

we have the utility of being thundercock

warm marlin
#

:graf

north schooner
#

:graf

swift tinsel
#

2x single target stuns, short incap, shroud that gets cucked in almost every pack bc truesight, atro/numbing/wound

#

melee kick ig

north schooner
#

DISTRACT

shrewd lantern
#

i mean even last season

robust light
#

i like how sub feels so im just gonna pretend that they didnt change this

shrewd lantern
#

rogue was just a bad fdk

#

let's be real

swift tinsel
#

distract probs our most useful utility lol

#

patrol halting can be pretty goated

north schooner
#

pickpocket, pick lock

umbral bone
#

good rogues are insane lets be real you can carry with cc alone

robust light
#

distract feels nice when it works and not every mob true sight

shrewd lantern
#

utility is a cope anyway

#

as soon as a spec does damage everyone lists

#

any cc ability a class has

#

as utility

plush roost
robust light
#

true

shrewd lantern
#

notice how everyone talks lock utility

#

when they do damage

#

as if gate gets removed

#

in seasons they dont

#

?????

umbral bone
#

1 distract can save a key

swift tinsel
#

gate, healthstone, brez

umbral bone
#

one double cheap kidney blind kick

#

can save a pull

shrewd lantern
plush roost
#

guys my hunters utility goes crazy last season!!

shrewd lantern
#

when lock isnt gaping people

robust light
#

tbf i think lock is the util clas

shrewd lantern
#

on the meter

swift tinsel
#

plus their curses

warm marlin
#

lock has aoe curse of tongues now

shrewd lantern
stuck arrow
swift tinsel
#

which they can amp to 100% additional power

shrewd lantern
#

when you forget to turtle and floorpov

shrewd lantern
warm marlin
#

gotta learn to see it, rogue has a pseudo ranged kick with step

lean rover
#

Kidney shot and cheap shot are like constantly up

shrewd lantern
#

i mean our burst aoe is kind of decent rn

#

bp spam kinda fucks

#

XDDDD

robust light
#

oh our dmg is nice tbh

swift tinsel
plush roost
#

yeah then mm hunter is right there

swift tinsel
#

or m/o step kick

plush roost
#

or havoc DH

shrewd lantern
#

or a mage with 2 braincells

swift tinsel
#

lil double tap-arino

umbral bone
#

being a pvp main since 05 as rogue makes my util presence felt.. my damage needs work

shrewd lantern
#

is havoc better than devo rn

swift tinsel
#

no

#

its good

#

but dev is just new-spec-good

astral flax
#

Anyone have the string to add to Sims to make hunt proc vs humanoids

lean rover
#

I I'm just hoping the class changes don't shift us over to DS spec

swift tinsel
#

they'd have to do ungodly levels of heavy lifting on DS to make me play it

shrewd lantern
swift tinsel
#

15%+ over trickster for me

shrewd lantern
#

in 2 dr sets

swift tinsel
#

and even then

#

I won't play it

#

unless they rework mark and DN

umbral bone
#

i stun for my mage tyvm

shrewd lantern
#

yeah i mean some mages need to be babysat

marsh magnet
#

Is it me or they dumbed down too much this xpac?

shrewd lantern
#

its one of the biggest skill diff classes

umbral bone
#

you just asked the #1 fire mage for 2 seasons tww

#

in 2s XD

shrewd lantern
#

2s

umbral bone
#

we only RM tho

marsh magnet
#

like every spec i try is wtf.... Subtlety is 3 button class, Priest too T_T

lilac stag
umbral bone
#

respect>

#

?

plush roost
#

@warm marlin @chrome palm

shrewd lantern
#

i can hear my mage asking to book therapy

#

q into dhdk rsham

#

XDDDDD

umbral bone
#

weve played RM since slands no matter the meta

#

he cant play MN yet feelscryman

plush roost
shrewd lantern
#

2s its easier to full cover tbf

plush roost
#

seems to work

shrewd lantern
#

sl rm was funny though

#

monk was free win

umbral bone
#

yes cloak

#

karma

warm marlin
#

is it even possible to get all 3 currency in one week

plush roost
#

according to retroz here he has it fully upped

warm marlin
#

no way im logging in before raid to do my voidstorm wq

#

ye but if u started last week

shrewd lantern
#

i remember playing both sides of the matchup lol

umbral bone
#

i can screen cap it if people need it but im offline

shrewd lantern
#

you might live it? if they're not checking and you flesh during a relevant setup

umbral bone
#

i got 3 nodes filled on my voidthing

warm marlin
#

supposedly you can get at least 2 a week

plush roost
#

this thing already outsims it so idgaf about the dailies kekdog

shrewd lantern
#

i think i had 2 things on that console before this reset?

#

already

#

i forget where they're from

warm marlin
#

the buffs arent working on sims tho

#

i clicked the options on and the sim didnt change

#

so its undersimming!!!

stuck arrow
plush roost
#

!!!!!

umbral bone
#

this xpac naturally is gonna be janky from all the big changes

stuck arrow
#

We have no idea what procs it - currently it doesn't proc in sims.

umbral bone
#

ui, class, etc

lean rover
#

Yeah sims is thinking we are playing left handed

shrewd lantern
#

wait you arent?

glacial hinge
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
shrewd lantern
umbral bone
#

left hand works fine lol

#

u can legit play left handed

#

if ur a righty

plush roost
#

I for one, play with both hands

shrewd lantern
#

not me clapping people on ret using obr

south zenith
#

I do indeed play with both hands aswell

umbral bone
#

one hand on rotato one hand on sack of potatos

shrewd lantern
#

i cant take anyone who plays that class fr

umbral bone
#

imagine animating emotion from that

#

would you date a paladin

#

i need to know the level of detest

shrewd lantern
#

Probably not as bad as the love/hate dynamic with priest players.

umbral bone
#

how do i tell a difference between players and people in 2026

#

everyone meta chases and has been playing for 20 years

#

its not legalas vibes anymore

shrewd lantern
#

otps exist

umbral bone
#

dont play hunter cause fantasy u play cause bbrr dps

shrewd lantern
narrow shadow
#

Oh god, purple Bloodfang. People. Here gonna go crazy

shrewd lantern
#

also idk

umbral bone
#

just teasin

shrewd lantern
#

warrior players are either otp or

#

stuck on class for battleshout

#

it seems

umbral bone
#

i think we are the biggest otp right

#

rogue feels like a different game

#

at least pvp

stuck arrow
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Aug tbh.

umbral bone
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oo good takee

shrewd lantern
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you mean sub technically

stuck arrow
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But yeah, a lot of rogue one tricks.

shrewd lantern
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assa is run at people

plush roost
umbral bone
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if healer is egirl what is aug

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little bro?

shrewd lantern
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hmm

narrow shadow
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Eboi

shrewd lantern
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not something i can say

umbral bone
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oh my god not the eboi

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i imagine some smosh looking early 2000s emo vibe

shrewd lantern
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ever

plush roost
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Be there the moment it spawns or no credit for u idiot

narrow shadow
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To be fair it spawns ever 15 min

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Just afk there watch Netflix collect rewards

shrewd lantern
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alr who got a netflix to mooch

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/s

umbral bone
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u play wow and dont live off others?

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casual