subtlety

[fiery fog]

nvm then xd

[alpine wraith]

i mean i still need to see if it works like that

maybe they just decided to nuke it

[odd jacinth]

i got this eberwing trinket so wonkey with it being 2 min cd and blades being 1.5 mins. am i better off just sending it with dance after the first initial blades?

[alpine wraith]

you just use it as a 3 min trink

[rancid sierra]

This shit feels goofy af.

You always have to moveo ut of beam

+500 dps sim is bait

[lilac stag]

not bait, just patchwerk

[rancid sierra]

yeah

[odd jacinth]

ahk so just hold for each blades then?

[exotic gorge]

pvp sub rogue stats?
haste ver or mast ver
honour gear

[alpine wraith]

yea

[wanton slate]

worst trinket ive ever xseen its a stat stick

is Sub rogue the top spec for M+ atm?

[alpine wraith]

we are decent

but assa and outlaw are also

dont worry we get invited by our charisma or if people are our friends

[fiery fog]

(youre not getting invited)

[alpine wraith]

well you might who knows

but yea our dmg is fine but that is all

you have 1 ONE single target disorient

and two single target stuns

[fiery fog]

and a sap

https://tenor.com/view/owen-wilson-wow-marley-and-me-smooth-hd-hq-gif-977282450591946462

[bleak night]

Just wait until next season where rogue is meta because you can run up and sap the eagle at the start of den to gather the bush

You don't be mocking sap then

[fiery fog]

dhs could just cage it

[bleak night]

Dh will be removed from the game in .5 patch

[calm cloud]

week reset, time to farm legacy content for 1% trash drop belt

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-deadge-amiya-gif-8585331441571942741

[fiery fog]

oh

well then they wont

[vestal escarp]

Just buy it bro

[calm cloud]

can't but it anywhere afaik

[vestal escarp]

Flayed demonskin?

[calm cloud]

ye

[fiery fog]

week reset, time for farm molten core with 18 chars in the hope of getting the other half on one of them (i didnt get it)

[calm cloud]

lmao just get it in one run like everybody else

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[fiery fog]

why cant it be warbound

grr

[calm cloud]

was waiting for a "yeah you can x and y" something i missed but i guess my research was correct then?

[vestal escarp]

It's boe

Yeah you can x and y

[steel zinc]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[spice monolith]

I like this gif a lot thank u

[calm cloud]

pog free spark quest

[exotic gorge]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[alpine wraith]

prey prey prey

[calm cloud]

hmm

btw sometimes when i have the apex procc and i use the dance>sectec macro the apex procc vanishes and i dont get the CP refund? is that intended?

[karmic harbor]

i did nto know it was possible to play this class wrong

but i must be omega washed

[calm cloud]

seen some pvp subs doing low dmg

with wrong talents etc

not everyone checks wowhead how to play most optimal, some fill out their talent tree like they want

[karmic harbor]

thats me...

[calm cloud]

damn bro

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[tribal blade]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[calm cloud]

!buggs

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tepid trellis]

premed buff bugs it out

[elder ibex]

Any advice on what to upgrade with my veteran crests? Was thinking maxing trinkets > Maxing OH > hig hstat items

[calm cloud]

yeah just checked the list and saw that

[left ledge]

Offhand is typically very low value for upgrading

[stray bloom]

is there a trinket tierlist yet for st?

[calm cloud]

do first delvs of the week also grant epics?

there is a somewhat trinket tier list on wowhead but not for pure ST afaik

best to sim yourself

[lilac stag]

get the raid haste on use. Everything else is whatever.

tier list complete.

[stray bloom]

i have 19% haste already, is the haste still best? it didnt seem like it was snapshotting for shadow dance, but if it does that would be nice to know.

[tepid trellis]

it does

[stray bloom]

and troll racial?

dayum

[sick sand]

Guys the apex optimization is not worth outside of lust anymore?

[left ledge]

After 700 haste you just go for crit mastery

Haste is still ok

Just don’t build vers

[tepid trellis]

nope

[stray bloom]

ty for the info, you guys always got the goods

[tepid trellis]

only flat haste

increases the duration of dance

% does not

[stray panther]

Crucible (Voidstorm trinket) still doesn't sim correctly, right?

[left ledge]

Troll racial affects Sectec though I think

[tepid trellis]

yes

which is kinda w/e when you get the haste on-use

[stray panther]

Even before 4p tier?

Isn't haste so high because of the 4p tier bonus?

[stray bloom]

so with the haste trinket are you guys getting 8 or 9 gcds in dance?

[left ledge]

Haste is high because it reduces our sectec cd and elongates dance which is extremely important for us to do damage

[lilac stag]

99% sure it does. However troll feet not worth it.

[left ledge]

You’re basically trying to have Sectec be up on every dance charge

[stray bloom]

ahh i didnt realize it buffed sectec too

[left ledge]

Sectec cooldown

Ye

All haste affects Sectec though unlike dance

[jaunty heath]

dear god

[calm cloud]

i got meh trinket and back

[left ledge]

Dance duration is your stat before bonuses, sectec cd is all haste

[stray bloom]

put this in the F.A.Q

i bet it gets asked 100 times a week once raids start up

[left ledge]

There’s a stat explanation in the faq I think

[calm cloud]

doesn't the spark quest apex chest give an epic???

[stray panther]

It shouldn't

Only first two preys give veteran afaik

[fiery fog]

first two hard preys do

the rest is just crets

and 175 gold

[rancid hawk]

Do we know if AA will be added to the CDM? The overlay is so bad

[calm cloud]

no i mean the spark of radiance weekly quest

that droped a apex chest

tooltip kinda wonky though, since the first 2 gave me veteran

?

[woeful harbor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

dance's threat reduction is so strong an afk frost mage kept aggro on a rare over me

i walked up to find this guy being beat on by the rare

[alpine wraith]

dance just deletes threat while active

[tribal blade]

that's the craziest one i've seen yet

this guy was full afk dying to the rare lol

[wheat edge]

Kyveza as sub rogue

press dance and brann gets assassinated..

[tribal blade]

i go in dance and the rare insta start hitting him again

dance ends it turns to hit me

nuts

he was doing 0 dps

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's -100000 or something

it's very funny

[tribal blade]

incredible

[tepid trellis]

-1mil threat

on dance press

[tribal blade]

i knew it was strong, i didn't know it was THIS strong

[tepid trellis]

is funny

[tribal blade]

i actually kinda love it

[keen dome]

[tribal blade]

sucks in delves but that's about it

[keen dome]

It did make Brann very annoying

Valera is less annoying 'cos she isn't ranged

[tribal blade]

yeah she at least stays in melee

[keen dome]

this is such a fiddly trinket

there's the soul! hope youc an spot it in combat lmao

Not sure why they decided on such an awful graphic

[tribal blade]

gross

that's a spam ADADADADAADAD moment

or whatever keys you use to strafe

[keen dome]

It's strong if it works since they stack, so you can get 62 (it's 31, not 30 agi?? rounding error i bet) for like 40 seconds

but i hope they fix graphic

[tribal blade]

yeah that's really good

[keen dome]

using it in den and I kept struggling to even spot the fucking things

and I was wondering if I was just using it wrong or it automatically proc'd

[tribal blade]

you know what would fix that issue

is WAs

lol

to announce when 1 drops

so you know to look for it

[keen dome]

No because you'd still have to FIND it

[tribal blade]

haha but at least you'd know

[keen dome]

yeah I guess

[tribal blade]

instead of always looking

and then worst case scenario you just run around in a circle

[keen dome]

Yeah

I'm gonna keep using it on the off chance they fix the graphic

my good loot rng has not extended to trinkets

(I don't like emberfeather)

Sim them but I'd imagine you could just run two Acuity and it'd probably be within a %

[tribal blade]

the enchants the sims want is for that very specific build

with that specific loot

your sim might want something completely different

eg. you end up having very heavy mast gear and the sim will not want the mastery enchant anymore

[wheat edge]

if you have two different enchants I would assume the hands do not matter

or like the proc rate should be the same right?

[tribal blade]

i don't think it really matters too yeah

i think it's basically the same

[wheat edge]

like in classic I know its different but in retail I would imagine its whatever

[tribal blade]

might be main hand gets slightly more procs because of more hits but i imagine it's negligible

[keen dome]

Yeah I have to imagine it's within margins

[alpine wraith]

actually the sims were getting krangled up

[tribal blade]

also it'll be super safe to put x2 main stat enchants on your weps

they'll be good in every situation

[alpine wraith]

agi x2 is better now+

[tribal blade]

nice

[keen dome]

ye

[tribal blade]

that makes more sense for S1

[keen dome]

Big mainstat gains

[tribal blade]

more main stat more better

[keen dome]

soon...

[wheat edge]

I paid 30k for my haste enchant so I will sit on it for a long time

[tribal blade]

not till at least S2-3 we start moving away from it for secondaries

[fiery fog]

just do what the robot says

all hail the simbot overlord

[tribal blade]

robot knows what's best

[wheat edge]

that reminds me to re-new raidbots premium

[keen dome]

robot can do math

I cannot do math

And unlike the bad pretend robots, it gets the math right

[fiery fog]

id be really concerned if you could do that math

[wheat edge]

I love boiling the ocean to see margin of error sims

[keen dome]

It's fine, it can just pull the electricity from the car batteries

[fiery fog]

why not do it like japan and turn footsteps into electricity

[keen dome]

but then i'd go outside???

[fiery fog]

you can walk inside your home

to the kitchen and back

[wheat edge]

I am actually super tempted to get a walking pad thingy

but would also need a standing desk then

[keen dome]

those look rad

I finally did my pc upgrade, so next is either desk or chair

I really wanna get a standing desk

[wheat edge]

yeah it would actually go so hard but I am also just lazy to get stuff like that done

[swift tinsel]

Standing desks are wonderful, I had back issues bc I shrimped so hard and getting one has done wonders

[keen dome]

I just love the idea of putting it into standing and doing like 30 minutes of walking while doing wow chores

[swift tinsel]

Highly recommend

[keen dome]

hell yeah, I have a pretty strict exercise routine these days 'cos I fucked my knees from sitting

[fiery fog]

kind reminder to everyone reading this:
fix your posture right now

[wheat edge]

I do usually stand when I am the office but thats once per week

[swift tinsel]

The standing desk mini treadmill combo is a game changer

[wheat edge]

and then I work 4 days per week from home shrimping in my chair

[median sigil]

yo what gear we crafting? and embellishments? if we are yet

[swift tinsel]

I have a treadmill in my room too so I can do an hour while watching anime or critical role and it’s perfect

[wheat edge]

dagger craft is a safe choice unless you are in liquid/echo

[swift tinsel]

They have really basic ones for like $90-120

[keen dome]

One thing I love about being a librarian is it's non-stop walking / moving. You are rarely sitting down. I couldn't do a sedintary job

Just doing circuits around the library all day

[swift tinsel]

Working a sedentary job after a decade plus of restaurant work is a wild shift

Let me tell you lol

[keen dome]

oh yeah, I can imagine

[swift tinsel]

I crave the chaos so I still work a few kitchen shifts a week just to feel something 😂

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[swift tinsel]

Really balances out the sitting at a desk sorting bones and rocks lmao

[keen dome]

I need stuff to be happening, or a job where you always have plates to spin. We're full on and there's never a moment of "standing around doing nothing"

[swift tinsel]

Man that’s so nice lol

Makes the day go by fast and you always leave with a sense of accomplishment

[keen dome]

Yesterday was just non-stop customer queries, shelfing, reorganization, etc. You just never stop and it owns. if I'm not dealing with something i'm doing computer work standing up

[wheat edge]

Covid hit year 3 of uni / when I had been working for half a year, so all I have known for the past 7 years is work from home

[fiery fog]

istg

corona spoiled me rotten

in that regard

xd

[swift tinsel]

I do one remote day a week for data consolidation and I could not do more than one day

I got so lucky and graduated right before all that hit

[keen dome]

I've graduated three times and no job has been as rewarding and good as this one haha

[swift tinsel]

Granted it cost me a grad school opportunity but still lol

[wheat edge]

I thought we would go back to full time office but instead we have 1 office day per week

[swift tinsel]

There’s so many places around here at least that heavily push WFH

[keen dome]

not a single degree is being used and I wouldn't trade this job for anything

except like better pay in another library I guess

[fiery fog]

most office jobs can be done at home with no drawback anyway

[keen dome]

yeah

[wheat edge]

yeah I mean we also moved office buildings during this time, and if all the departments worked in office everyday we wouldnt even fit

[wheat edge]

I stack up like 75% of my work for the 1 office day and I still get everything done

[swift tinsel]

There’s a few that have been able to downsize their building space bc of it and I can imagine that cuts overhead by a ton

[stable plume]

Yo any macro nerds in here? Can I set up a castsequence macro to press back to back that activates my haste trinket and then my shadow blades full macro so i avoid the weird trinket shadow dance snapshot thing?

[swift tinsel]

Bc less property tax, utility cost, etc

[lean sigil]

Can we craft second item this week?

[alpine wraith]

as far as i know you cant castsecuence off gcd abilities

[alpine wraith]

nope next week

[reef walrus]

if you have to press it twice anyway in this scenario, why not just have a trinket keybind and your set of cooldowns?

if not that, does dance not get the extra duration with a simple /use trinket /cast shadow dance macro?

[stable plume]

Just for ease of use. And no, the trinket hast doesn’t increase shadow dance in a oneshot macro

[wheat edge]

then macro trinket and blades, and have dance/tech on seperate bind?

[hollow spear]

Kinda hilarious how everyone complains about "two button spec", but most of the requests in here are about reducing the amount of buttons

[subtle jay]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[stable plume]

Doesn’t that cut into the minor cd time potentially reducing a gcd?

[wheat edge]

or have the 1 shot macro + seperate trinket bind

[fiery fog]

the general rotation is a 3 button rotation with blades/dance/sectec macro

[stable plume]

It’s more to try to reduce any chance of missing a gcd

[wheat edge]

pressing 2 3 is the same time as pressing 2 two times

if you had a cast sequence

[fiery fog]

you just have quite a few things that are off rotation like 3 def cds, 3 stuns, shroud, distract, kick, stealth, etc

[hollow spear]

I have 4 or 5 buttons for my various dance macros alone

[grim vessel]

If you play Fellowship rogue, you do feel a gap in midnight subtlety. Feels like a 15 or 30s cd "good stab" is missing

[hollow spear]

I just press R and shift + R

or the other way round actually, doesn't matter

[mortal skiff]

soo boys, where we use our 2nd spark on? :D

[stable plume]

My trinket keybind is awkward to hit then insta press my shadow blades keybind

[mortal skiff]

put your trinket on your shadow blades then

[calm cloud]

on your first craft

but why did you not get 2 sparks in the first week?

[mortal skiff]

3rd spark then i mean :D

[stable plume]

Brother I think you didn’t read what I was saying

[calm cloud]

nothing because you need 2 for a craft i thnk

https://tenor.com/view/sans-sans-undertale-default-dance-fortnite-undertale-gif-8650606685029931736

[fiery fog]

we get the next craft next week i think

so we start raid with 2 embellishments

[mortal skiff]

on the belt, no?

[fiery fog]

belt/wrists

[calm cloud]

depends if you drop a mythic belt

[brisk onyx]

can we trigger this one? I craft a ring and want to add an embllished on it

[calm cloud]

then its a waist to craft it honestly

(hehe waist)

[alpine wraith]

dont think you can

[brisk onyx]

fine maybe I just pick iris lol

[calm cloud]

how can i swap gear on raidbots sim to sim 2 items?

[alpine wraith]

top gear lets you add items

[calm cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-thank-you-bow-steve-carell-gif-5009516783019270794

but i got told that crucible is not working correctly in sim right?

[proper eagle]

Guys so we no longer trying to keep two shadow dance inside shadow blade?

[calm cloud]

what makes you think that?

[proper eagle]

It is fine to use shadow dance once inside SB?

Found simc does not care about using two shadow dance

Second shadow dance used outside SB.

[tiny lark]

Should we already craft the dagger?

[swift tinsel]

can you link the sim please

[proper eagle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3EUcvVpfqf7ThFkT3Co9nt

[swift tinsel]

ty

[proper eagle]

Talent is exact same to faq's Single Target guide.

[swift tinsel]

its not supposed to do that

you want to 2x dance in blades

hmge

[proper eagle]

Yeah maybe simc has some error in that

[brisk onyx]

maybe some haste issue ig

[tepid trellis]

fuu is working on it

atleast he was yesterday

[proper eagle]

All right then I will keep in touch ty guys

[alpine wraith]

might need a little bit of leeway on second check the second dance

[karmic zinc]

Hello guys should Coup de Grace be used on max cp? will it scale dmg to 7+5(from coupe)?

[alpine wraith]

seems it is more checking on sec tech + dance but forgetting second dance is 14 secs away

so it has 6 secs in between

or well 4

sometimes

[swift tinsel]

it acts normally for opener and 2nd blades but 3rd and 4th are scuffed

[alpine wraith]

yea because of second dance cd kinda

[swift tinsel]

ye

[proper eagle]

Yeah it follows opener correctly but giving more weights on sectech + SD after that

[alpine wraith]

sadly i dont know how to fix it for the second stack to have a more rigurous check

because it might work when we have the haste trinket

as dance will be 2 secs or so longer

then lines up

you would only have 1 stab in between at most

and also blades lasting the whole duration

[lilac stag]

It’s also not suppose to shadowmeld in stealth on pull.

[alpine wraith]

yea that one is funny ehehe but think was already fixed

[swift tinsel]

something like holding blades for when dance charges are 1+(remaining cd<=dance duration+4)

[alpine wraith]

just needs to get pushed

[swift tinsel]

or w/e

[alpine wraith]

also would need to check haste treshold

[lilac stag]

Well it’s listed as latest. Idk if pushed.

[alpine wraith]

im not on top on commits so idk

[lilac stag]

I know fuu was busy

[alpine wraith]

likely wont see many updates until weekend

[lilac stag]

none of it really matters at this point anyways

Get haste. line shit up. Profit.

apl is around tier set

[willow knoll]

is this thing any good?

[alpine wraith]

nope

[willow knoll]

sell it?

[alpine wraith]

but hey +1 skill point

ah yea i would sell it

[lilac stag]

sell it

[willow knoll]

aight aight

[lilac stag]

You’ll never get more for it than today

[willow knoll]

yeah true that

didnt even realize I had it tbh

was just sitting in my inventory from mythic0

[proper eagle]

Yeah I was just checking there is better changed rule.

[alpine wraith]

dont worry things still need ironing out for sure

and this needs to be put because after this tier with no haste trink maybe and tier set

[lilac stag]

It should sell well. It’s “cheap” mats for leveling

[willow knoll]

I kind of figured at first it was just some weird niche enchantment that 1 dude had and was selling for 105K for no reason

there's only like 5 on there

lmao

But if it sells then that'd make me happy.

[open coyote]

is the 1m 30 from murder row better than haste feather?

[lilac stag]

everything needs dawn crystals to level. That doesn’t

[willow knoll]

saw the haste feather

didnt get it though, wasn't my day 🙁

[tiny lark]

the stats for dagger are crit haste right?

[alpine wraith]

haste mastery or crit mastery

depends how are you on haste

[open coyote]

i don't get why we want 18% haste doesn't seem to have any effect on double sec tec

[vestal fog]

The smart people researched it, us monke’s just listen

[alpine wraith]

it is mainly for dance duration

sec tech cd is not that important as you are more gated by dances anyway

than sec tech cd

[lilac stag]

you also can’t look at everything so isolated. The haste break is primarily for gcds in dance.

The tier + haste on use lets us get the dbl Sectech.

everything works together

[void ocean]

it turns out advanced interface options allow us to turn on enter/leave combat notifications if anyone cares to know

[pastel grove]

Question are we casting shadow strike/ backstab in AoE weaving against shutiken storm? Just saw a video say priority is Secret tech. Evis. Then BP then SS then shuriken

[hazy breach]

Nah just BP+storm

(obviously sectech)

[glad cosmos]

You shadowstrike on 1-2 targets only. Never backstab

[pastel grove]

That’s what I thought

Idk why he was suggesting shadow strike in aoe

Or evis

[hazy breach]

Also shift+windows button+S

Takes a screenshot instead of using your phone

[pastel grove]

That’s my work computer. I can’t put discord on it 😂

At work, working on my sub game

[glad cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-fired-j-jonah-jameson-spider-man-2-you're-no-longer-employed-columbia-pictures-100-gif-13669462618431915682

[pastel grove]

Nahhhh I’m the electrical engineer here. They have no clue what I do 😁

[shrewd lantern]

you can just use browser version on a vpn

[swift tinsel]

telling people to spend at 5cp is a move

haven't watched a Javier video in a while lol

[copper ravine]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.

[shrewd lantern]

who?

[idle aurora]

Doesn’t the ancient arts thing at 3 or less targets also have you shadow when at more than 6 shadowtechniques and full combo points but no ancient arts

[swift tinsel]

the guy from the video screenshot

[shrewd lantern]

idk who that is

[swift tinsel]

he's one of the guys who tries to make guides for every spec without actually knowing how they work

[torn tide]

24.8k subs for that?

[swift tinsel]

yeppers

[pastel grove]

Sounds like most people then 😁

[shrewd lantern]

Well i mean most accurate guides arent going to do youtube

its stupid

one hotfix your entire video is moot

[swift tinsel]

he's telling people your aoe finisher prio is sectech eviscerate black powder

[shrewd lantern]

vs a written guide you can just edit without bricking hour of work

the only "good" video guides imo are

the direct stream rips

[swift tinsel]

and the builder prio outside stealth is backstab -> storm

[idle aurora]

I followed his guide and my dps went up 20%. Click here to find out how.

[shrewd lantern]

ngl the written guide you can probably go finish in like 5 minutes

[swift tinsel]

four out of five dentists recommend

[shrewd lantern]

spec got neutered

[torn tide]

did he also say that we should sectec 30secs before dance

[swift tinsel]

makes zero mention of how to play around cooldowns

certainly won't impact dps one bit

[raven sail]

Do you know any addon that reminds you the poisons?

[lilac stag]

there are about 30

[idle aurora]

I think the outlaw channel has one under !addons

[lilac stag]

Look on curseforge

[idle aurora]

I just went and grabbed a random one off curse that works great

It’s really effing annoying if you don’t have poisons

[torn tide]

how does someone like that get 24.8k subs

[swift tinsel]

pure volume

and people not knowing better

[shrewd lantern]

because most people are kind of stupid

I realized that my first job

[idle aurora]

Btw. This is going to make me sound like an idiot. But I removed the coup macro from black powder last night and it immediately made me play better and able to track stuff easier.

[shrewd lantern]

I just never used it since brain wasnt going to relearn from tww s3

[idle aurora]

I was able to end a fight with a weak black powder but save coup for a big pull like 12 times in a dungeon

It’s wild how often you can hold

[shrewd lantern]

this was the case in tww too

[idle aurora]

I punished myself as an outlaw in TWW

shiver those were dark times season 3

[sonic oracle]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[heady garden]

!aa

[wicked jolt]

Apex talent optimization (Trickster):

• Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
• Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
  Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
  Note: Only during lust.

[heady garden]

is this now only for ST or still up to 3?

[grim vessel]

What are you guys using to track ancient arts? Ive been going off vibe

And is that new that we only want to fish for AA during lust ?

[tulip light]

its a quite new finding - yes

[tulip light]

the ingame black procc in the middle of the screen - no other way to track it

[tulip light]

up to 3

[wind wharf]

I haven't found a way to turn on the ingame spell alert for ancient arts without having it enabled for all my characters, which I do not want

sure would be nice if they just added it to the stupid CDM

[tulip light]

i think it will be there eventually as of now i dont think there is an option to save spell opacity per character but not sure

[zinc wagon]

when we got a two man boss fight like muro jin and nekraxx, shadow strike and evis or do we use black powder in some way?

[tulip light]

storm if not in dance as builder / ss as builder inside dance / powder as finisher always at 2 or more

[zinc wagon]

ahh so the rule is always more then 1 target powder as spender?

[plush roost]

Ye, unless coup is up

Or dn if ur like that

[zinc wagon]

and if there are more then two targets we even dont use ss, but use storm ?

i played mostly assa the last years ^^

[loud wharf]

Any specific way we should be simming in Raidbots to optimize for M+? There is tons of settings and coming from classic to retail not sure what to sim.

Specifically this section at the bottom.

If there is a giant "here is how to sim" section in this discord, please point me there and put me in timeout

[fiery fog]

a friend sent me this and im not sure where these rogue sims come from? are these correct?

[tepid trellis]

they are just taken from regular sims

[plush roost]

Dslice is very fine and gud for rogue

[hollow plinth]

change Weekly to Latest

[fiery fog]

imagine being arms warrior and simming half of udk kekw

[plush roost]

Yeah well uhdk is gonna get headshot

[dire ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/lauryn-hill-sister-act-nope-none-hand-wave-gif-2974115183041441308

[plush roost]

Interesting that devourer sims lost 6k tho curious...

[tulip light]

is there a way to set the preferred haste level in raidbots (eg to 700)

[tawny marlin]

I don't wanna go outlaw man Sub has been so much fun

[fiery fog]

outlaw sims are kekw

[tepid trellis]

then dont

[plush roost]

Outlaw sims just assume are 5% higher than they should be ngl

[tulip light]

im assuming you dont play 0.1 so play whatever THE FCK your heart tell you ❤️

[tepid trellis]

sims have absolutely nothing to do with raid performance

[plush roost]

Me when im outlawing beloran and roll 1 buff during egg

[tawny marlin]

I'm newer to pve on retail but I've been having fun on my rogue in M0's

[dire ravine]

good!

[lilac stag]

when was the last time outlaw got played in RWF

[hollow plinth]

each spec has their own maintainers and communities surrounding their simc implementation, no one person can know the scope of how each spec is implemented, a large comparison really shouldnt be done

[fiery fog]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[plush roost]

Soul hunters briefly

[hollow plinth]

i'm fully confident outlaw is modeled to the game, the rest of the specs, dont know dont care

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bar-gif-25722344

[vale pine]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.

[calm cloud]

would you use this trinket over crucible?

[tulip light]

i would sim it

[calm cloud]

crucible apparently borked in sim

[plush roost]

Been a while

[hollow plinth]

yeah, you actually cant sim this thing

[tulip light]

but it was strong for me at adventurer level. it can boost your haste by A LOT if needed and has good uptime

[lilac stag]

Paw is good on sub. There just nothing higher than vet

[plush roost]

I like lost idol of hashey ngl

Idk if its bugged or what

But it went from 84 agi at 200ilvl to 284 at 230ilvl

Feels wrong to me

[glacial wind]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[plush roost]

Same with secondaries, randomly slamming 584 mastery for 30 seconds

Like okidoki ig

It sims low tho so what can u do

I wonder how it would sim if it only rolled mastery/agi...

[grim vessel]

M0s are our time to shine (ish). Big burst aoe on mobs that don't live long

[loud wharf]

Okay, the difference of changing around Dslice and some of the other settings changes the gear it wants. Dslice is dumping haste for me. But running say 5 pachwerk for 1-3 minutes it runs more haste gear

[crystal bone]

^ this, they are for determining upgrades. i think it was LOU where sin was one of the lowest simming but highest performing? of the rogue specs

[plush roost]

Its cause mastery in AOE is very beeg

[loud wharf]

So wanted to check cause Dslice is recommending less haste but I know we were wanting over 700 haste

[plush roost]

I played 200 haste on beta keys

[tepid trellis]

the haste is for single target

[plush roost]

Since it is just better aoe

[tepid trellis]

mostly

[lilac stag]

You likely have lust and other buffs on you 5 target

[tepid trellis]

mastery value just sky rockets on AoE

[plush roost]

Yahp

[loud wharf]

I see, I appreciate the help. So keys we are simming Dslice and Raids we are simming 1 patchwerk for X time?

[fiery fog]

we most likely aim for the 18% haste breakpoint anyway right? the rest gets dumped into crit/mast

[tepid trellis]

thats the stats in dslice sim profile we currently have

[plush roost]

Power of crit/mastery stacking on ze beta

[warm marlin]

word on the street is that demo lock actually sims over 200k internally

[tulip light]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[warm marlin]

and that they are still working on fixing sims

[plush roost]

Mfw diabolist demo isnt on the sheet curious...

[warm marlin]

we could lowgenuinely see a 50% aura nerf upcoming

[plush roost]

To arms

[lilac stag]

684-700 haste. Don’t worry about percents

[fiery fog]

yeah thats what i mean

18% should be that amount of raw haste i think

[lilac stag]

just stop with percents

[fiery fog]

:(

[plush roost]

U can be 18% from other stuff and be only 650 rating and then ur sad

[warm marlin]

one of our resident warlocks also says that diabolist is better than soul harvester

certainly interesting things to come

[chrome palm]

I had a warlock explain to me in detail how bad it’s variance is

“You do no damage if you don’t proc demons” or whatever

The “no damage”? 95k

What everyone else sims

[warm marlin]

we had this screenshot from way way back

highroll = triple every other spec, lowroll = equal to other specs

[tulip light]

has there ever been embellishment tuning in past addons. is it likely that something like the fish hook dagger suddenly becomes viable?

[warm marlin]

the hunter experience

[lilac stag]

The amount of attention they give embellishments is next to nill. Don’t expect fishhooks to be amazing.

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-evil-twink-will-pay-cat-writing-gif-4722793856859840711

How it feels when a ranged spec is good

[lilac stag]

Look at all that purple and sub no where near it.

[tulip light]

i see thats literally the last thing holding me back from crafting a dagger. wish i was as dominant as u guys

[warm marlin]

Fishhook only does st

Icky

[lilac stag]

if fishhooks goes up .8 then it’s equal to a mythic dagger and only in ST. It’s not happening.

[chrome palm]

At least it doesn’t randomly target this time, right?

[lilac stag]

Right?

imagine they just repurposed that dagger

[ember lotus]

Got a link to the sheet. Wanna peep the feral stuff. Also is this single target or dungeon?

[rancid sierra]

iSO UR EMBELLISHMENT DOUBLE HUNT?

holy fuck caps

did i just have a stroke

[hollow spear]

I wonder why it's missing from the spreadsheet 🤔 I have the feeling it will get added last second before heroic raid and they sandbag it by roughly 20k

[dreamy badger]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1476887002019270761/Midnight_s1_fixed.png

[sacred reef]

how much value does offhand dagger have in comparison to other slots? blowing double the amount of crests to upkeep weapons feels awful

[clear aspen]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[hollow plinth]

something tells me it should not be peeped

[ember lotus]

GUH

[hollow plinth]

see this

a massive comparison of sims really shouldnt hold any value

they should stay within the same spec or at best same class

[stable marlin]

As far as I understand your OH slot is one of your least impactful . Almost all of your abilities are based on MH damage and the amount of stats on dagger is on the lower end as well

[tulip light]

iirc off hand damage is not part of damage calculations

[hollow plinth]

for sub, only shuriken storm uses hybrid scaling, the rest is mainhand only, except for offhand autos of course

[lilac stag]

get the right stats. don’t use a 1h. Sub OH life

[keen dome]

When can we use a 2hander as Sub. Let me shadowstrike with gorehowl

[dapper stirrup]

So it was a rouge putting gorehowl into Kara

[alpine wraith]

tbh 2h rogue would be cool

[keen dome]

2H rogue tank spec. Some kind of duelist where it's all about mobility and weapon heft.

[gilded ferry]

were the obr sims redone with these exp changes? i imagine that the loss of dps is lower now

[gilded ferry]

a rapier swashbuckler rogue

[keen dome]

Ye, swashbuckler would make the most sense for a tank rogue. We only have one dual-wield tank spec atm too

So it'd be cool to see another

[shrewd lantern]

I feel like if you're using OBR

dps isnt your concern....

[gilded ferry]

Im not using it, i was just curious

[keen dome]

I think someone is slowly compiling a list of builds that have theoretical lowest loss DPS with OBR but I don't recall where. Might be able to find out there

[shrewd lantern]

Probably

its just one of those senseless things someone does because

numbers be fun for some people

[keen dome]

I think it has some merit for people who really want to use or can only use OBR for whatever reason.

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt OBR have a .2s gcd delay

[keen dome]

But also it's very niche and very whatever. Yeah, it has a gcd delay

So it will always be lower DPS than pushing the buttons.

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i consider OBR a tool for people impaired

so you kind of just live with the delay

[plush roost]

Sounds like a dex based 2h defensive duelist pathfinder build kekw

One polearm for u por favor

[keen dome]

yeeeeeeeeees

love me duelist

[plush roost]

Sounds like kaladin from stormlight archive without the magic

Hmmmge

[hollow spear]

Based on what I see during these race to world last events, I am convinced that some players might unironically do better dps with the OBR

[keen dome]

I think there's a few very thematic ways to do a tank rogue but realistically I think Blizz should try to add Warden as a class (mail tank / ranged red mage DPS)

[hollow spear]

Not on all specs, but some specs

[keen dome]

But like, zorro is such a fun example. Or your typical swashbuckler with pocket sand and dirty tricks flourishes, feints, etc. And throw in some bard influence with cutting words, etc.

[plush roost]

Idk when i think of swashbucklers i just think of outlaw

I like 2h weapon rogue concept more

[stable marlin]

I’m all for this

[keen dome]

OUtlaw does cover it pretty well, yeah

2H sword tank rogue where it's more of a blade dancer style (Or like a Sword Saint)

All about movement and dexterity with the blade as the focal point of their dance

[plush roost]

Dexterity arms warrior hehe

Hmm maybe we dont want that

68k st

[wraith sphinx]

Tank rogue should just be redesigning sub so they use smoke bombs, shadow magic, and their clones to take hits 😎 👌

[plush roost]

Nah sub is the ninja spec and thats not a tank (unless its league of legends)

[wind wharf]

sub should be the ninja spec, but currently there is no actual flavor or fantasy to either sub or assassination

sub is just.....finishers? and stealth mechanics that mostly don't exist anymore

[wraith sphinx]

In ff11 ninja was released as a DPS but the community found out it could tank due to it's shadow clones absorbing hits, it was a ton of fun

And honestly that's what I'm longing for, it's a fun unique design

[keen dome]

I don't want any existing spec redesigned.

I want a 4th spec.

[wraith sphinx]

Understood sub rogue is now coloured red

[keen dome]

What the fuck

mods???

I really, really hope Blizz add more specs to mono DPS classes that aren't DPS though. I think that would be a fantastic Qol to the game even if it'd be a monumental and nightmarish task.

Mage healer, warlock tank, hunter healer, rogue tank

[grim vessel]

Ive been saying that since vanilla

[calm cloud]

rogue healer

poisons that procc heal

[serene notch]

I could go for some more visual flair around the clones, and a chunky Audio for sectec.

[grim vessel]

Star wars TOR had bounty hunter healer that shot allies with pistols to heal

[keen dome]

smuggler healer was so funny because you'd go "teehee" whenever you healed someone

[serene notch]

I’d also like them to play around with clones being persistent for a few secs copying your moves

[keen dome]

just running around giggling whenever stuff proc'd

[calm cloud]

shadow step dance full burst a friendly target for burst heal

[keen dome]

well scoundrel healer, not smuggler but still

[calm cloud]

(get cleaved because it was the tank)

[carmine portal]

Next tank needs to be Shaman: Earth stance to block %phys and Water stance to block %magic. The way water vs solid objects protect you from projectiles n stuff irl would make the perfect basis for two talent paths

[calm cloud]

melee heal sounds giga ass

[grim vessel]

Shaman tank should happen before rogue tank. SoD finally did both

[serene notch]

Naw make surv hunter tank so the remaining 4 guys stop playing that spec

[keen dome]

I don't think Shaman tank will happen because they already have DPS / healer.

Like, the biggest thing they could do QoL wise is address the mono DPS issue in WoW.

[carmine portal]

It's not about what will happen, it's about what should happen

they wont ever do anything interesting

But they ought to

[stuck arrow]

Bard type throwing fancy beer / wine to everyone. 😂

[carmine portal]

before any of this happens they need to give us new pandaren model so they're actually playable

[calm cloud]

melee
throwing

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

[stuck arrow]

Can you not throw a bottle?

I do think it's a stretch for rogue though.

Tank seems feasible and is relatively common in RPGs to have like ninja/brawler style tanks.

[keen dome]

Swashbuckler is just the D&D rogue tank style

[calm cloud]

yeah but throwing would make it range

[hollow spear]

After being outside of range with my sectec and pissing away shadow dance uptime, I remembered the good times

[carmine portal]

Idk why they removed that, I liked the idea of outlaw rogue having longer attacks 😢

[stuck arrow]

Acrobatic strikes being removed such a big blow to Outlaw NGL.

For a spec that's so reliant on uptime such a huge nerf.

[obtuse orbit]

Minus the hunter we got thag in sod and it was amazing played all 3 and was the best time ive had in a minute

[carmine portal]

What is everyone thinking of alting atm? I can't decide on afflic or blood dk

[graceful osprey]

Affliction lock, boom chicken for me

[crystal bone]

unholy if it doesnt get gutted in 6 days

but it will

or shaman

prob ele

[swift tinsel]

feral/havoc/devourer

[carmine portal]

my thing rn is I wish the specs I wanted to play had atleast one more button to be a bit more interactive. Afflic is a lot of fun but seed spam in M+ is a bit dry

[hazy breach]

Play make panda

Best looking race AND best simming

What's not to love

[frail bone]

your not selling me on that

[carmine portal]

why don't we have muscleCHADS like these guys

instead we got lowkey fatfartfetish bears

[crystal bone]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eating-panda-bamboo-bMSMRrBm9vLfa

[carmine portal]

kung fu panda did irreperable damage to the panda community

[half remnant]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[torpid echo]

considering there's no mastery neck in the dg rotation the pvp reward neck in 4 weeks isn't that bad, making it "bis" till we get a myth neck right?

[runic sinew]

guys, we have a % cap for crit? Like the ~18% from haste

[hollow spear]

100% :^)

do what the robot tells you, there's no "cap"

[runic sinew]

thx

[graceful crown]

isnt this one like the pacemaker?

[carmine portal]

yeah minus the small aoe dmg splash

[graceful crown]

is good then

[tulip light]

@lilac stag pet me and tell me you are proud

[lilac stag]

well at least it’s not an int dagger

[tulip light]

we dodged that one for sure

[graceful crown]

Me: rogue outlaw
S1 TWW: first craft int sword
S2 TWW: first craft int sword

(?)

[tulip light]

?

[steel horizon]

Wait so how do you add an alert for it if it's not supported by the in-game cdm?

Cus it would be nice to have some alert whether its a sound or an icon glow when ancient art & coup is up

Currently I've just been staring at the stack count

[keen dome]

so the int didn't help, I guess?

[valid tartan]

makes him a smarter rogue

[wind wharf]

you can't, i'm talking about the dumb blizzard UI thing

it creates little black arcs around your character when AA is up

[carmine portal]

Int sword countered by the removal of Int playing outlaw

[jaunty heath]

suprised this one losing to 2min trinkets, i guees crit not that good

[pearl solstice]

can loremasters tell me why people are going 6/6 vet

[steel horizon]

Ohh ok. I didnt realize that was a thing. I disabled all of the native UI stuff like that

[keen dome]

'Cos they wanna, probably

[shell willow]

!fuu

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[pearl solstice]

isnt it a complete waste

[tulip light]

more or less but some ppl just wing it and have fun i guess

[strong shoal]

not everyone min max

[keen dome]

It's a potential waste but also might not be, some people don't care or know they won't be getting X or Y piece. Also yeah some people just don't min/max

It's probably not a big deal outside of like, very high end situations.

Most of this gear is getting replaced anyway and you need champ crests to upgrade champ gear. etc.

[lilac stag]

Saves you 20 champ crests to use the vet crests to 6/6

[grand galleon]

what do you do when you fit 2 ST in one SB? should I just send empty SD afterwards?

[hollow spear]

Don't think so

You shouldn't overcap on dances

[thin flume]

I am having the same issue. I will have the Ancient Art proc ready and then press my Shadow Dance + Secret Techniques macro but I won't get the combo point refill.

[hollow spear]

idk why we're all acting like veteran crests even matter in the grand scheme of things

[uncut hinge]

because we have nothing else to do rn

[hollow spear]

premeditation bug

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[cursive vapor]

Royal in sub channel b4 gta 6

[strong shoal]

someone said a bad word and i had to come check what was up

[thin flume]

Thanks. I was losing my mind. Rereading the ability descriptions over and over to see if I missed something.

[peak matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[celest night]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Bubbling wax:

• Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
• Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)

[celest night]

!addon

[tulip light]

@vale pine i was thinking about the visualization of the opener in the guide (if its not too much work) - could it be worth to picture dance + sectech since that macro is recommended anyways and the trinket update when macroed with dance is a question that pops up frequently

[hollow compass]

i can just craft arcanoweave lining on any off piece (cloak, wrist, belt) right? doesnt have to be belt necessarily like it is on the guide?

[tulip light]

yes belt or wrist recommended tho bc of stat budget

you also craft 246 for now (w/o a spark) and have a 246 belt from renown already

[hollow compass]

ya ill prob just do that

save my 2nd spark craft for now

[warm marlin]

it be poorly tuned

[tulip light]

you can only craft 1 spark item at the moment

[warm marlin]

trinket just doesnt give a good amount of stat

pretty good pull out of m0 for now though

am jealous

[jaunty heath]

i dont have epic achvient on either of my rogues

[warm bison]

Just made farstrider's mercy with 2 sparks. Recommened to craft second item with vet crests and add embelishment?

[tulip light]

yes - for now prob wrist

[restive venture]

how important is the 18% haste requirement?

[cosmic sparrow]

@restive venture two extra globals

[restive venture]

DAMN

[cosmic sparrow]

During shadow dance

[glass kelp]

Muh sd casts

[cosmic sparrow]

Are the Sims on blood mallet accurate?

[slim gale]

!addon

Whats the command for addons? To see the different combo point ones

[wide shale]

No, at least when I asked yesterday. The trinket sims are not

[cosmic sparrow]

They looked off compared to other classes/specs.

[wide shale]

Rogue team. I need help. My AOE in dungeons - slaps. I do great. However, my ST seems to be lacking HUGELY. I'm also 241, so good ilvl for preseason.

I've read the guides, understand finishig logic, and I believe I understand the Apex talent rule. Send a SS, even if at max CP, to trigger Ancient Arts in 3 or less targets.

Am I missing something else?

[glass kelp]

St just going to be less, nature of the beast

How much less is concerning you

[west tide]

i feel like im toppin aoe and st so maybe u are missing somethib

OR u just mismanage cds before boss

or just dont have any not due to mismanagement w.e

[cosmic sparrow]

Only class I'm losing to in ST is Unholy DK

[west tide]

without sblades u arent gonna start off strong at all

if it comes up within the fight u should be top or near

class dependant obv but should feel competitive

[plush pecan]

Do people craft their daggers or do people wait?

[shell willow]

I sent my dagger, there is a dagger off the 2nd boss in mythic but that is a few weeks out.

[steel sierra]

I made dagger, are we good to full send the second craft next week too? Or should we wait

[wraith girder]

Second craft should be waist with the item that buffs the dagger iirc

Idr what its called

[steel sierra]

Yeah, that's what Fuu has

[plush pecan]

Don't think I'll raid at that level so that tells me what to do, thanks

[tawdry warren]

Is it any way to do a sound notification on coup being active? Could not find a 4 stacks condition trigger

[shell willow]

no more arcanoweave?

[lusty acorn]

What do i craft first wepaon?

[wide shale]

I think it's mismanaging CDs and not knowing the dungeons properly...that may be it.

mismanaging, as in using them when I should save them, etc.

[hollow spear]

First craft is obviously sword, because it'll be an outlaw tier for sure 💪

[lusty acorn]

i will craft one dagger

Sub

[remote rapids]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[ornate lake]

Man it's so disgusting playing as a powder spamming degenerate after such a long time

[limpid sage]

Ye I miss s3 sub as well

Current iteration plays like shadowlands

[dry plank]

Nice bait bruh

[steel sierra]

Is there a way to track Ancient Arts procs?

[ornate lake]

Yes. It's called eyes

[warm marlin]

spell alert opacity 100 in settings

only way

[steel sierra]

What if I don't like using them

I miss my bings and bongs

[ornate lake]

Wdym people don't have them already?

[warm marlin]

wdym they're ugly as sin

had that things off for expacs

[restive venture]

anyone know the amount of haste needed for 18%?

[hazy breach]

~650-700

[restive venture]

DAMN

[steel sierra]

For crafting purposes, at least this earlier in the tier when secondaries are low, haste/crit or haste/mastery on crafted is fine?

[ornate lake]

No I don't miss that quite frankly. The downtime between cooldowns was quite large and felt awful. Rupture never felt a sub ability. Flag was kinda okayish at best.

[glass kelp]

Robot

[slate flume]

High guys. I guess this has been asked some times here, but I cant seem to find it so I will give it a shot: During dance, do we always try to get aa before finishing if we are at 5 stacks of ST or just use finisher?

[swift tinsel]

you can if you want

[mental kettle]

i just saw the sub faq

did BM hunter dev get hold of sub rogue

?

[swift tinsel]

they got hold of every spec in the game

[slate flume]

Is it a significant dps increase? Or I should just use 2 finishers?

[swift tinsel]

its neutral

[warm marlin]

you can do it in lust, and otherwise use 2 finishers

[swift tinsel]

extremely minor gain in bloodlust

[slate flume]

Got it. Thank you!

[mental kettle]

crazy

[vale pine]

ill take a look tomorrow

[light elbow]

used my sparks to get a farstrider's 259 am i idiot or it was an ok move ?

[restive venture]

hey so my sim is telling me to sit at 17% haste for the best outcome, should I listen to that? or still aim or 18%, Dumb question I know but just wanna make sure

[tulip light]

perfectly fine champ

[restive venture]

its like a 56 dps difference between 17-18%

[tulip light]

forget about % get around 700

and enjoy

[tribal vortex]

for robot 17 is fine for us humans we need closer to 680-700

[restive venture]

alright, highest I can get rn is 672

[tribal vortex]

robot is ok with like 650

but to be safer you get 700

due to lag , reactions, etc

[warm marlin]

I think the strategy will be to sim and then just change any non-haste gems over

there might be some advanced option to just -50 haste from the sim so it optimizes closer to 700

[restive venture]

yeah, im fully gemmed, enchanted. only 672 with everything I can get to get haste

If I spend some crests ill be around 680 though

[warm marlin]

haste enchant on rings?

or the good crit one

[restive venture]

I went with haste bc the sim told me so

I would be at around 16% haste otherwise

current stats

[vale osprey]

What addon is this? 👀

[restive venture]

chonky character sheet

[vale osprey]

Omg I needed an addon like this back in my life

[restive venture]

Yeah its super nice

genuinely though, im more stuck between sub and assa. I have slightly better gear stat wise for assa; since I dont meet that 780 requirement it might feel a bit shitty to play sub

[steel sierra]

full send crests?

[restive venture]

thats what I've heard. if youre unlucky with drops craft 2 items and if not just full send this week

working on the rest of my vet and adventure crests

[steel sierra]

I got dagger, might craft belt Tuesday, thoughts?

[warm marlin]

wrist is probably better

[restive venture]

^

[mellow smelt]

I crafted dagger anyways, 2nd craft will be wrist

[restive venture]

wrist is usually better

[steel sierra]

Oh?

[mellow smelt]

since i can just do that instantly on reset next week

[warm marlin]

the bis profile does have belt but probably some secondary stat optimization at full gear

[restive venture]

dagger > wrist though if you dont already have one

[warm marlin]

wrist is the goated embell slot since it has bad ilvl scaling anyway so you let it rot at 259

[steel sierra]

eli5 why wrist > belt

I see

[hazy breach]

belt has more stats the wrists

So having it low ilvl is less bad

[steel sierra]

Good enough for me

[steel horizon]

Apparently there's a setting in the base UI that puts these two black marks on your screen whenever ancient arts is up

[hollow spear]

unfortunately they let their blind intern decide on how to make it look

[bronze hatch]

Customizable visuals when

[warm marlin]

i like to think they are playing the game in light mode somehow

[hollow spear]

so now you cannot see the proc if the background is dark enough

[warm marlin]

so the black really pops

[hollow spear]

they must be really blasting their retinas

[steel horizon]

Spec theme > functionality apparently

[warm marlin]

but also imo it's not super important to track

generally you know if you procced it

[hollow spear]

Yeah it's true

[steel horizon]

I just want them to add it to the CDM along with coup and ill be happy

[hollow spear]

Well, you don't know when you're in the voidzone

[warm marlin]

especially since it's just going to be in lust

where you spam proc it anyway with no ambiguity

[hollow spear]

yup

Especially if you get PI

Have to get in them dms

I am still not sure whether I want to track sht via a bar or in my buff symbols

first world problems ig

[olive roost]

Hi guys, new to midnight and new to rogue, quick question. Is it smart to craft dagger with embellishment now and then reforge it later with the myth dawncrest? or what is the "right/optimal" way to do?

[hollow spear]

sending dagger now is fine

if you're raiding in Echo, you should maybe hold

[vale osprey]

Look at Larius guide and send after you finish all of your m0s and preys this week

If you hit 2 daggers no point sending one as vet with embel

[vale osprey]

Is Assa not kinda stinker rn?

[olive roost]

if i manage to get daggers from preys or m0 is it worth sending the upgrades insta??

[restive venture]

yeah it is but its what ive played for a a few years now, also it might get buffed on the 17th.

[steel horizon]

I do it as an icon right beside my coup icon. I find that I'm just constantly staring at them cus theres no way to make it glow upon reaching a certain stack count

[restive venture]

only reason I swapped to sub was because assa felt really bad in prepatch and I just stuck with sub on launch

[steel horizon]

But im definitely gonna enable that ancient art thingy in the vanilla ui now

[shy pike]

Is there a way to track Ancient Arts for when to Shadowstrike at full combo points? I don't see it in the CDM

[warm marlin]

the potential downsides to crafting now:

outlaw emerges as the best candidate and now you have a dagger crafted. sigil void is still good and dagger is still an ideal offhand, but finding a mythic weapon might be tough.

you roll double mythic dagger early and would rather play that and have different embellishments, although I haven't yet seen a sim that suggests that 2x alt embellishments would even be better than losing some offhand ilvl to gain hunt

otherwise its good

[olive roost]

Appriciate it 🙂 tyty

[azure mauve]

i mean unless you wanna pump m0

theres no downside to waiting

[warm marlin]

also true

[ashen grove]

i am new to crafting and did not find something in faq - is there any guide?

[steel horizon]

Setting in the base ui. It puts two black marks in the middle of the screen whenever ancient arts procs

[shy pike]

thank you!

[graceful crown]

except if you wanna tryhard at raid next week, that i would do haha, and... i wont change to outlaw i dont like its state right now i was a vanish-HO user and i see it slow now

[idle aurora]

So for m+ will I use a different trinket than raid?

Since haste isn’t as important as raw dmg in m+?

[frank finch]

Am I blind or is there no Ancient Arts tracker available in CDM?

[dense geode]

the black bars are the tracker

i dont see how you would track it in CDM

[frank finch]

Yeah, my hope was that there was something else I could use

The black bars have really bad visibility for me, would love to just have a buff tracker

[dense geode]

Yea that be cool

[frank finch]

Also, just to be sure, the bars indicate the next spender will refund, right?

[dense geode]

yes

[prisma galleon]

hey, can i track find weakness in the new cdm? i dotn fidn it

[solar mural]

can we use non-daggers in offhand? 😮

[plush roost]

Maybe 1 day but not rn

[prisma galleon]

sadge

[spiral bloom]

I wonder if there's a way to require people to prove they know how to use Ctrl+F before allowing text chat

[idle aurora]

I’m sorry can someone lemme know if I’m correct here. Sectec cooldown is impacted by haste but not affected by external haste. shadow dance duration is affected by haste, but is affected by external modifiers of trinket and lust?

[hazy breach]

opposite

[idle aurora]

The cooldown part is correct it’s the external part that’s incorrect?

[vale pine]

!haste

[wicked jolt]

Secret Technique cooldown gets reduced by all haste sources, while Shadow Dance only from haste which increases your baseline haste. When using a haste trinket, make sure to use it before Shadow Dance to get the extended duraiton.

[idle aurora]

Oooo ty

[carmine portal]

Why

If you don't like answering the same question lots: don't

[vale pine]

we often add things to bot commands if they are asked frequently

regulars can then use these

[idle aurora]

I was searching for the person who I thought explained it not the macro lol ty fuu

[mossy chasm]

why cant i find lightspire core on any trinket list, that bad?

[west tide]

i already crafted my dagger

i saw it was bis oh for outlaw i said okaay we up

[vale pine]

won't be bis early on

offhand slot has some problems

it has a low stat budget

offhand damage is rarely (if ever) used in damage calculation of abilties

and it underlies the dual wielding penalty

[west tide]

true but im coping

[vale pine]

so its like rly good for a crafted slot with embellishment when you have good gear

but if you can craft a MH weapon

a lot worse than that ^^

[west tide]

its a sub tier anyways bro ..

[vale pine]

we will see

tuning wasn't done

[south pelican]

I’m assuming almost all sub rogues are crafting weapon first for MH slot right? And swapping it to OH when we pull a mythic weapon

[vale pine]

might be that blizz giga buffs outlaw or sin

[west tide]

if anything i can see otl being competitive as always

[vale pine]

yes

[west tide]

and then sin gets buffed af

[vale pine]

rly depends

some of the fights don't rly look like outlaw fights

many target swaps

[oak sorrel]

apologies if this has been answered 700 times but do we press aoe buttons in ST to proc macabre?

[west tide]

u think otl is on like a radar for buffs? i dont really see it

[vale pine]

some burst adds

[west tide]

i can see sub stayin same otl same or both movin up a lil and sin gettin a large buff

[vale pine]

i think outlaw is probably rly good in m+

but i can't judge m+

[west tide]

thats what i assume is the sentiment for blizz

[vale pine]

the crimson tempest change might made assa aoe kinda busted

but without numbers, hard to tell

especially before tuning

[west tide]

yeah interesting

[vale pine]

on paper, if all is tuned well

sub brings the highest benefits

[west tide]

yeah it feels so flexible

even more so rn

[vale pine]

but only a few tiers ended up like that

[west tide]

even if we dont have the highest st like we might be much more useful in certain contexts, same story

[vale pine]

e.g. shadowlands s2

think arcane mage

does a lot of what we do

but better

[west tide]

oh forsure

but they need our poison bro

[vale pine]

haha

we need antrophic and mind numbing

can't raid without 2 rogues

[west tide]

we should!!

[graceful crown]

17th incoming