also all the casts are very long
#subtlety
warm marlin
maiden oar
i think without devourers bite itd be less fun
maiden oar
but i like using felblade for the dmg amp alot
warm marlin
i was the only person playing rogue in raid for the last few tiers, i think 5 people in our larger group are playing rogue for their own guilds
for midnight s1
not sure whats goingon
swift tinsel
sounds familiar lol
chrome palm
not sure whats goingon
i have an idea
swift tinsel
I'm the only 90 rogue atm
chrome palm
:-)
warm marlin
i have an idea
lilac stag
not sure whats goingon
Blasting DPS in m0 
maiden oar
i was the only person playing rogue in raid for the last few tiers, i think 5 pe...
yeah i was the only rogue in our guild
warm marlin
we did triple sub m0s today
warm marlin
pretty good comp ngl
maiden oar
i vouch for him
warm marlin
no shaman buff stinks
maiden oar
i trust him
lilac stag
don’t need aoe stops if everything is dead
chrome palm
believe it or nor
warm marlin
temu aoe kidney
chrome palm
we did triple sub m0s today
this is the comp sub looks best it
warm marlin
just have 3rogues
i could believe it
the days of triple outlaw are over
all hail triplesub
fleet wharf
this is the comp sub looks best it
u dumping sub now?
chrome palm
yessir
lilac stag
the days of triple outlaw are over
Wait for guy to craft 1h first
chrome palm
think he did
lilac stag
chrome palm
he got the shindiggy
warm marlin
i feel like he would have told me if he did
lilac stag
Ye
chrome palm
contingency plan
chrome palm
outlaw tier would be elite
might be a thing like undermine
where outlaw is secret the best
fleet wharf
fr cuz the dagger specs are kinda snoozefest
lilac stag
outlaw is fine if you like reactionary gameplay. no thanks.
maiden oar
subs reactionary now
maiden oar
watching the 4 stacks of sht like a hawk
chrome palm
that is more reactionary than any gameplay outlaw has lol
sub-gcd reactive gameplay ehhh
its like its been reversed
outlaw is the hold for cd spec
sub is the always send spec
reactive gameplay spec
short radish
its like its been reversed
cursed timeline
lilac stag
have fun with it the 
chrome palm
cursed timeline
swift tinsel
getting the cucked 5th sht as you hit evisc
chrome palm
strike always
go for the hit
sometimes i just get mad sht isnt proccing
and hit the triple strike out of spite
swift tinsel
I have my pc macroed to shut off if I strike 3 consecutive times
bc if that happens its likely I need to step away and not punch a hole in it
maiden oar
sometimes i just get mad sht isnt proccing
im just doing math in myu head i subtract 5 or i subtract 3 and if i get more sht in between gcds i dont care i pretend i didnt
ive given up
chrome palm
yeah math is hard fr
if you play outlaw just make a rainbow combo point bar
everr color is a different button
swift tinsel
I had a pretty neat one in prepatch in arc for ps stacks
chrome palm
i am pissed at arc because
he decided to blow up the addon today
which wasnt very cool
fleet wharf
wait what
swift tinsel
thank god I hard-swapped to ellesmere's
chrome palm
i logged in and the icon spacing was all over the place 💢
chrome palm
i just never have auto update on
windows trying to teach me this lesson
chrome palm
"security" update that introduces microstuttering
maiden oar
die microsoft die die die
maiden oar
cant wait for them to add copilot to wow
chrome palm
they got addon vibecoders ai prompting for windows now
fleet wharf
does wow run well on linux? i might also swap off
fleet wharf
which distro would you swap to?
chrome palm
installing bnet is apparently annowing
maiden oar
bc we had some linux users w tech issues when i was progging last xiv tier
and it was so evil
im not goingt o risk it
maiden oar
which distro would you swap to?
probably just bazzite or something and then when i inevitably get frustrated w it and get used to it i go cachy
but its been awhile since ive used it so i think if i do cachy first ill make a fool out of myself
fleet wharf
Huh, interesting. yea I heard of bazzite, first time about cachy
it is weird trying to do linux when you used windows all your life, but I really don't like the direction MS is going in, so I think it might be doing future me a huge favor to make the swap when it's not at gunpoint
maiden oar
yeah
but im going to do it when theres 0 risk of me nhaving some strange technical issue mid prog
stable viper
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
young harness
Should i always use the macro for shadowdance+secret tech? Or is it okay to pop shadow dance if sectet tech is on cd for a couple seconds but can still fit it in the shadow dance window?
fleet wharf
historically you dont want to waste SD windows, so make sure they're synced. you also want to go into dances with full cps as trickster
maiden oar
installing bnet is apparently annowing
i have heard theres this thing called faugus
havent looked into it too much
but i have been told that its easy niow
alpine wraith
you can dance if you can use sec tech second finisher but that is more advanced
and like if you are on a timer and something that will make you go out of melee in like 10 secs
so delaying 3 or 4 secs would be losing half a dance
hardy snow
@alpine wraith do you recall the old APL code for used in dance for danse macabre?
swift tinsel
isn't it just used_for_danse
hardy snow
ty, let me try
warm marlin
it is indeed !used_for_danse
alpine wraith
yep
tbh you might get a little win on 3t and 2t thing to use strike to pop premed instead of storm
for danse
4t even
hardy snow
why I'm looking at a sub sim that has ancient art up but again generator after that finisher?
swift tinsel
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only up to 3 targets.
swift tinsel
you can strike with full cp to guarantee an apex clone attack on your next finisher
if you don't have the Ancient Arts buff active yet
hardy snow
but my question is AA already up
swift tinsel
full cp -> use finisher and have 5+ sht stacks left
spiral needle
I think he means how sometimes when you cast a finisher with AA up, your assumption is it should fill your combo points after the cast
Which I've noticed doesn't always happen and I don't quite understand it myself
swift tinsel
AA is up, but gets consumed by that finisher
plush roost
Its so crazy cause lorelei was saying that devourer has saved wow for them
Different strokes for differenr folks goddamn
swift tinsel
so then you strike after that finisher to guarantee another AA buff
Devourer has a fun ramping playstyle
it starts out as a slog but once you build momentum its quite fun
has a very palpable tempo switchup
esp if you play the build where consuming souls grants haste
so you're legit machine gunning
swift tinsel
the prepatch single target gameplay was literally one of the worst things I've ever experienced though
spiral needle
damn sub has 50% more buttons now?
plush roost
Is 3 buttons and youre pressing consume 70% of the time
swift tinsel
the Annihilator one?
plush roost
Yea
swift tinsel
ye
warm marlin
Is 3 buttons and youre pressing consume 70% of the time
ye this was like half the complaint
plush roost
Like holy samole i cant
swift tinsel
its only fun when you're fighting to get your fifth collapsing star off
warm marlin
spamming my 2 second long single target generator on 20 mobs until I get meta that lets me do damage
swift tinsel
yeah if they had an insta-meta button for the opener to get the spec started that would be a gamechanger
plush roost
The melee version where u felblade reap hungering vr
swift tinsel
bc the opener fucking suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks
swift tinsel
oh ye vs melee build is big fun
swift tinsel
and parts of aoe are fun when you can beam -> eradicate -> beam -> eradicate -> meta bombs
plush roost
That was more enjoyable
swift tinsel
its honestly creeping up towards wanting to play it over rogue
so I'm def gonna be blasting m+ with it
plush roost
Well havoc sims higher than rogue XD
plush roost
Not that numbers matter rn
swift tinsel
we also have 2-3 dh already for raid
plush roost
The burst is crazy tho
plush roost
Hunt felblade vr eyebeam fel rush break dance dance chaos strike meta dance chaos strike insane
swift tinsel
you're throwing vr before first eye beam instead of meta?
you get initiative
from it being the first few globals
plush roost
If its opener i hold vr but in a pack youre usually hitting immo aura and stuff proccing your initiative earlier
plush roost
Kinda wanna have 2 immo running before u meta since u get 2 more from meta
swift tinsel
so glad they fixed the auto-consume bug tho
plush roost
Sucks it doesnt reset its cd anymlre
swift tinsel
ye
swift tinsel
I miss the chaching reset WA
plush roost
I never played with wa sounds lol
swift tinsel
I had a few
the silencer shadowcraft refund, chaching AFI, ellesemere gunshotfrontal
warm marlin
The 7x immoaura pulls
df s3 havoc 🔥
plush roost
My spooked ass when i swapped off to the dratnos dimmy circles WA
swift tinsel
havoc post-rework in df was so fucking fun
plush roost
df s3 havoc 🔥
I didnt play havoc in df s3, i played outlaw on the very last week of keys
And learned that keys were really fun and not too hard
warm marlin
I didnt play havoc in df s3, i played outlaw on the very last week of keys
all the specs i was playing at the time were peak
havoc, spriest, outlaw
so much fun, keys were the best of any season ive played
good times
omg that was 20s prim wave enh season too
everything was a banger
plush roost
I got invited to an eve ascension team group that needed a body to do their homework randomly, having never done outlaw keys or anything s3 really. We slammed a bunch of keys and went like 25-26-27-28 and missed a 29 and i was like wait arent these high keys?
Am i being hard carried???
But it was fun lol
plush roost
Barely played the week prio lmfao
I missed out that season i thinn
I also remember playing sub in like 24s n stuff
And people whispering me "wait i thought sub was bad, ive never seen a sub rogue do damage??"
I think i playes a super krangled build too
Like with goremaws tornado
No dust
And i would just flag on cd and sblades every other or hold if it made sense
I swear i was on hidden tech
shrewd lantern
it was like
plush roost
UNLIMITED POWAAHH
shrewd lantern
yeah legion goremaw was
that button you pressed
when you were omega tapped
between cds
plush roost
Idk i barely played legion
I just remember entering a state of pure anxiety anytime i shadow danced on trilliax during the beam
Since it would teleport you every single shadowstrike
plush roost
oh you played sub in NH
Yeah you could say i was somewhat of a demon
bleak night
insane gamer
shrewd lantern
lmao
plush roost
Yeah i went kinda crazy on ghuun
shrewd lantern
This is some
plush roost
Hehe
shrewd lantern
”your guildie hits you up for a vault key monday night” vibes
plush roost
Lmfao bro i was so casual
plush roost
Legit playing with "Guild Wars 2 UI" addon and only 24 keybinds
Slayer of mythic trilliax!!
silent ruin
Can stack supercharged combo all the way to 7 right ?
plush roost
Holy shit i did it twice 
silent ruin
Not in open world, not done rounds yet
silent ruin
Slayers rise is pretty real
bleak night
well
most of the treasures spawn on the edge of the map
so yeah they die if they fall off
silent ruin
I'm almost done with voidslayer title just 150 odd honour kills left
shrewd lantern
besides that
silent ruin
Then real content
silent ruin
Looks good every season
shrewd lantern
very over the top
yeah how it should be
silent ruin
I only wear jackpot
shrewd lantern
we havent had a super bright illusion since df s2
they killed the main reason i used jackpot
silent ruin
silent ruin
In the new tranmog system you can't illusion on ghost blades
silent ruin
So no complaint, they're unlit matchsticks
shrewd lantern
I cant have my black thunderfuries anymore
short radish
”your guildie hits you up for a vault key monday night” vibes
i have the most cursed priest kill on jailer that looks like i bought a boost on it
shrewd lantern
why were you on priest
short radish
2 days before we start jailer prog
RL: hey what ilvl is your priest? our priest kinda quit and we need one
shrewd lantern
oh
shrewd lantern
only fort buff?
short radish
ye
short radish
our priest decided to quit 1 night before rygalon died or something
i died so much 
mobility as priest is pain
short radish
apparently my alts are allergic to mobility
since the only other one i play is paladin
bleak night
im maining priest this tier
and yeah it feels like someone shot me in the kneecaps
at least im dracthyr so i can glide around
short radish
bleak night
and i might be playing dk in keys but i dont really think we can call rider dk slow anymore
distant bison
is there a guide about what to craft and when to craft what embelishments etc
short radish
lmao yeah
dk just ignore mechanics whenever
also have same mobility as paladin (so not that slow anyway)
bleak night
10s 100% speed boost that resists forced movement effects and has 2 charges on a 45s cd
plus unholy is a ranged spec
lilac stag
is there a guide about what to craft and when to craft what embelishments etc
You’re 99% making dagger first. After that it depends on what drops you get.
ornate lake
Is goremaw viable in any setting?
Tired of asking this and getting the same answer every tier 
alpine wraith
goremaw is cool after doing some pet battles
and calming your 9 kids and 5 wives
you can use it on some critters
stoic sphinx
Hm. The sim isn’t even using goremaws during shadow dance for danse macabre
That’s surprising
First use is like 25s in
chrome palm
Might be good to use for danse/avoid eb overcap
stoic sphinx
Might be some hidden tech here 👀
chrome palm
Problem is the talent point you are removing for a possible extra lashe macabre
Probably goes into finality or veiltouched or something else which is more of a definitive gain but it would be interesting to test regardless
Also it’s a pure st node while the others mentioned contribute to aoe
warm marlin
Might be good to use for danse/avoid eb overcap
ts was not nearly enough to make it good in tww3 where eb stacks were worth like 3x as much with tier
goremaw ass
stoic sphinx
Honestly that loss isn’t as bad as I would have guessed
Swapping the finality point
Idk it seems plausible apl tweaks could improve it but probably not by much
worthy dirge
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ornate lake
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ceeBtkwYnVtbTSuUFjgYJa
Not bad
So we use goremaw first global in dance for the dm stack?
hardy snow
!bug
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet
tribal blade
Honestly that loss isn’t as bad as I would have guessed
not that bad in pure ST and then you add any more targets it'll drop off a cliff i imagine
ornate lake
Any good world quest trinkets?
final hound
Hey im new to sub.
For aoe tldr is , use Shadowstrike/Shuriken to build CP then spend them on Secret technique and Black power?
alpine wraith
adventurer crests are whatever anyway
alpine wraith
yea
also i was confused they nerfed the renown trink
from 240 crit to 100 like wtf
??¿¿
modern sentinel
ye its fucking stupid
shadow ermine
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
upper hemlock
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet
hot creek
Hey im new to sub.
For aoe tldr is , use Shadowstrike/Shuriken to build CP th...
no other option unless u want to build with backstab in aoe
Shadow strike during dance and 2 targets, otherwise is shuriken storm .
tulip light
I think for some classes it makes sense to not craft but for us we craft anyways long term and just put a good dagger in main hand if we get an early hc / mythic one . I don’t see a downside. Else there is no need to craft right now as well since nothing is happening content wise
young harness
Can stack supercharged combo all the way to 7 right ?
How do u stack
vale pine
good morning lovely people
hearty orchid
__Subtlety Macros:__
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globa...
Does the macro with Coup de grace and black powder just save a keybind or actually use the spells at the same time
brisk onyx
from 240 crit to 100 like wtf
250 to 144, but ye its suck now. dk why they do this- almost 50% nerf(also trigger frequency be nerfed)
modern sentinel
good morning lovely people
marble sail
from 240 crit to 100 like wtf
u literally only wear it because its high ilvl anyways so who cares 😭
will swap it out almost instantly
final hound
Shadow strike during dance and 2 targets, otherwise is shuriken storm .
do i targget swap shadowstrike during dance in aoe?
alpine wraith
u literally only wear it because its high ilvl anyways so who cares 😭
it was decent when the upgrades got online on the trinket even vs most champion and hero trinks as a passive
so yea it did matter
now it does not however
marble sail
it was decent when the upgrades got online on the trinket even vs most champion ...
u wouldnt swapped it out almost instantly even before the nerf, its a whatever change
haughty mural
hazy breach
Hm. The sim isn’t even using goremaws during shadow dance for danse macabre
Problem is if you use it in dance all the energy gains are completely wasted since we are overcapping energy in dance anyway. But yes finality is also a fairly weak point
dreamy grove
Hey guys, do u have also the problem that the dance/technique macro doesn‘t work? Sometimes it just casts SD
hazy breach
Don't press it while you're on the gcd
alpine wraith
you were out of range possibly too
dreamy grove
Don't press it while you're on the gcd
Ah thats the mistake, cause i am spaming it, when SD is close to come off cd
willow knoll
How much should I trust simming as a new person.
Keeps telling me this 10 ilevel less pendant than the rep one you get is better
trinket *
fast vigil
are there any pre requisites to entering dance? in general i mean, not on opener, like how many stored combos I have, obv do it off gcd and with sectec up, but other than that
fleet wharf
check the faq page first. But yes. Assuming trickster, you at least want to have full CPs going into dance
fast vigil
ive dug through the guide on wowhead
dawn heron
so on trickster in SD you basically do - shadowstrike > shadowstrike > eviscerate > eviscerate > shadowstrike > shadowstrike > eviscerate > eviscerate ( every second shadowstrike on full cp only to proc the apex talent) ?
thx in advance
fleet wharf
be more specific. what context is that sequence in?
dawn heron
single target opener
fast vigil
i mean it's right there in the rotations page
as I mentioned, Ive seen that, i meant some caveat, something sneaky, which in return leads to slight optimization
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only up to 3 targets.
fleet wharf
I dunno exactly where the discourse is, but you also want to make sure your Shadow Techniques is at like 3-4 points before going into dance
it's related to the aboveshown optimization
fast vigil
bless
dawn heron
ye when i SD after the first shadowstrike im already on 5 or more stacks of shadow tech so i assume i shadowstrike again, then double eviscerate do use the combo point, then after the shadowstrike im at 5+ shadow tech stacks again so i do another shadowstrike and then doubel eviscerate . What confused me was the demo rotation and that the raodbot never seems to ise double shadowstrike - it only does strike > evis > strike > evis
thx for the comments, was helpful
🥂
modern sentinel
gl on the movies zendayaa
fleet wharf
So basically, there's a bit of an optimization you can do around apex talent that leads to about ~1.5% damage increase. Long story short is that the more of the 3rd Apex Talent you can proc, the more damage you'll do. I'll let someone else give a detailed explanation because that might be a bit beyond me, but the abovegiven talent is a rough rundown of what it means to try to capitalize on that optimization
cinder marten
does the apex talent optimization work during the entire duration of SD? or just the first few seconds?
fleet wharf
the entire duration. Just keep in mind that it's a minor gain at best. Most of your damage comes from doing the supercharged secret tech during dance
The biggest takeaway is you don't double finish after the Ancient Arts Proc
dawn heron
ohh i see
willow knoll
I mean once you activate the apex talent once isn't it always kind of active as long as you're pulling from shadow techniques bank and striking before eviscerate
I mean until you dump your combo points
hot creek
do i targget swap shadowstrike during dance in aoe?
i dont think so
hazy breach
Why would you
tribal blade
do i targget swap shadowstrike during dance in aoe?
no find weakness is now a buff on you
you don't need to swap
holy i accidentally flew into EPL from zul aman, what a shock
i completely forgot we're right next to eastern kingdoms
shadow snow
One question. Is it possible to macro SD with sectech
sharp ravine
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
umbral bone
whats acceptable ST and cleave dmg over 2 minutes, im testing on a dummy. subtly ilvl 227
not sure how to sim as of midnihgt
got it to work, do we ru ndungeon slice?
shadow snow
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fleet wharf
got it to work, do we ru ndungeon slice?
depends on what you want. Dungeon slice for m+ performance approximation or ST. If you're not sure if you're doing your rotations correctly, ST seems to make more sense
swift tinsel
Can just sim 2 targets
If you wanna see 2 target cleave
Or X number depending on what you want to see
Dslice uses a combo of st and aoe
torpid snow
Can someone explain in simple terms why I should macro Shadow Dance with Secret Technique?
hazy breach
Lets say it takes you 0.3 seconds between pressing dance and pressing secret technique (very reasonable not slow thing to be doing). Then your first global of shadow dance is 0.3 seconds in.
Lets also say you are at a haste level which makes your shadow dance last 7.2 seconds.
Then you will end up casting a spell at 6.3 seconds, and then when 7.3 seconds comes along, you will no longer be in dance
torpid snow
ty i think it makes sense
sick sand
is it possible to track 1st dance in cdm?
hollow spear
Don't think so
fallow nimbus
Maybe one day
graceful crown
i have 670 haste right now that is 19% -> 7.4s SD duration
guides says to have 800 haste that must be like 22% > 7.7-7.8 SD?
others 18% haste that is -> 7.2s SD
seems that it depends on your internet connection
hard to establish, i feel good with high haste tbh rotations are faster
tepid trellis
its not a % so too speak
you are aiming for
its the raw number
the percent will be kinda off due to alac
lilac stag
It's 18% isn't it?
684-700 is the raw number you’re looking for
less for m+ but that range feels good on bosses and packs
graceful crown
who would have thought that blizz would do a talent like this
they dont seem that original
meanwhile
blizz:
fiery fog
what dagger are we crafting btw?
graceful crown
lilac stag
The agility one.
weak vector
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
fiery fog
ty
fallow nimbus
If it was anything but free finishers who would know what would have been 
graceful crown
just please goremaw like increasing next 3 finishers damage by 20% or something like that
45s cd whatever
weak vector
I just want death from above to be baseline
analog granite
is taking 2 points in vigor a big loss for trickster m+ build?
short delta
!ui
mortal skiff
someone else experiencing a bug that secret technique doesnt trigger ancient arts (doesnt generate combopoints) ? 🤔
potent heath
Gg for 259
tepid trellis
someone else experiencing a bug that secret technique doesnt trigger ancient art...
if the buff premeditation is up it blocks the combo point refund
so yeh
mortal skiff
any way to avoid this or just live with it? :D
vale pine
its a bug
tepid trellis
nothing you can really do
vale pine
so you can't avoid it
tepid trellis
just play like normal and hopefully wait for them to fix it someday
dawn heron
do only rogues have so many bugs, ive been playing assa prev tier and it was broken af too, or other classes are the same xdd
tepid trellis
all classes have them
weak vector
pretty ridiculous there's still so many bugs for a commercial release
tepid trellis
first time?
echo ridge
whenever theres a bug, just nerf arms warrior
tulip light
I just want death from above to be baseline
I was saying the same until scath I think was it said that sectech is basically just dfa. A big finisher u anchor other modifiers to
echo ridge
weak vector
first time?
Nah, been playing since 2005. Just figured they'd, you know, eventually get their shit together
I'm sure this small indie studio is hurting
short radish
when in the history of blizzard have they ever gotten their shit together?
weak vector
true lol
tepid trellis
they are too busy meeting their qoutas to fix bugs
mortal skiff
so you can't avoid it
atleast now i know that its not only happening to me, it was driving me insane lol
and that coup de grace / blackpowder macro is insane, worth it to join the dc i guess
vale pine
nice
odd jacinth
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
lilac stag
when in the history of blizzard have they ever gotten their shit together?
Playing for 20 years and expecting there to be no bugs on release. smh my head
delulu
smoky geyser
Why would you want to macro them? You dont want to coup outside dance but you likely will powder outside dance
short radish
Playing for 20 years and expecting there to be no bugs on release. smh my head
frostmourne server 霜之哀伤服务器 poor performance 表现不佳 monkey code 猴子代码 dollar company 美元公司
smoky geyser
But coup replaces the eviscerate button so what is gained in button bloat?
lilac stag
you can spam the BP macro and never move your fingers.
smoky geyser
Oic
lilac stag
https://tenor.com/view/bongosub-sub-rogue-world-of-warcraft-rogue-aoe-gif-275548...
One of us need to update with coup instead of rupture
short radish
shotgun not
nova cairn
they are too busy meeting their qoutas to fix bugs
Quota of???
vale pine
is it a very big issue? like does it affect our dps alot
its just inconvinient
!premed
wicked joltBOT
There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.
torn tide
its just inconvinient
rip
short radish
Quota of???
mage buffs
tepid trellis
Quota of???
pushing out unfinished content
olive citrus
!craft
olive citrus
damn thought it was a thing 😄 what do we craft first homies
lilac stag
This shit should’ve been shadowlandsed
What would it have fixed? Leveling was smooth and well done. They’ve given themselves another 3 weeks before raid starts from launch.
Hopefully they take care of some of the UI stuff, but addons will solve most of that.
The class bugs are everywhere. Delaying 4 months or whatever wouldn’t fix that. They actually need people looking at them.
we literally have everything listed here for all known issues. Do they read it? 
cursive vapor
damn thought it was a thing 😄 what do we craft first homies
Dagger most likely
spare totem
Is there a reason why im missing a spark?
lilac stag
You didn’t do the world tour or the weekly
spare totem
oh.. where can i get the world tour at? i skipped the campaign
lilac stag
google? Idk
spare totem
true lol
lilac stag
my alts are crafting. Not going to get sparks or leave the city.
spare totem
hmm i hope i dont have to do the fuckin campaign
gentle temple
!ui
mortal skiff
the champion item renown neck.. crit + haste or versa + mastery ?
lilac stag
unless you have 684 haste you want haste
nova cairn
What would it have fixed? Leveling was smooth and well done. They’ve given thems...
I mean they should’ve focused on the game rather than implementing things that are already done by 3rd parties
And put resources elsewhere
short vessel
Should i craft or wait?
spice lichen
what do you need to get stronger for rn
short vessel
I mean, if we craft dagger as first craft regardless might aswell just craft it now, no?
Or whatever craft piece that's recommended
spice lichen
well theres your answer
short vessel
??
vale pine
Should i craft or wait?
both is fine, if you craft dagger is lowest risk craft
short vessel
Awesome, thanks Fuu!
spare totem
the champion item renown neck.. crit + haste or versa + mastery ?
which renown vendor?
solar kestrel
is offhand dagger still mandatory or is it stat stick in midnight?
snow berry
Always worth less
brisk onyx
u still have sht so yes
snow berry
Yolo veteran crests on wrists
brisk onyx
must be use dagger
solar kestrel
thanks, dont remember if sub could equip non dagger in the past and was surprised i could equip an axe
fallow ingot
Does fuu does bloodmalet sheet too ?
brisk onyx
thanks, dont remember if sub could equip non dagger in the past and was surprise...
rogue can equip an axe at least during WotLK
tulip light
Does fuu does bloodmalet sheet too ?
No
brisk onyx
kk because bis trinkets are different
the simc of bloodmallet has some problem i think
fallow ingot
the simc of bloodmallet has some problem i think
i guess lmao
it's empty for all the classes
minus sub rouge and outlaw
vale pine
the simc of bloodmallet has some problem i think
yes, it uses a buggy profile
woeful barn
It had a timewalking trinket in the profile last I saw
fallow ingot
solar kestrel
does raidbots have a valid profile?
if so, you can just run droptimizer with simc profile
fallow ingot
i'm wondering why Guidon is bis then
woeful barn
BIS exists in this game? Actual question
torn tide
hey what random stats do i put on when crafting my dagger?
fallow ingot
hey what random stats do i put on when crafting my dagger?
mastery haste or mastery crit i would say
ember hound
!fuu
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vernal granite
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why is there crit on the off hand instead of haste?
fallow ingot
why is there crit on the off hand instead of haste?
vernal granite
yeah shouldnt there be haste instead of crit
vernal granite
gear doesnt look like its 18% haste yet
chrome palm
BIS exists in this game? Actual question
For some slots, yes
vernal granite
should i craft farstriders mercy or wait for the phase to release?
grand wyvern
i'm wondering why Guidon is bis then
Don't take sims as the gospel cause we do have breakpoints and human execution to take into account, anything with haste make sure you understand which breakpoints you are getting and which not
fallow ingot
Don't take sims as the gospel cause we do have breakpoints and human execution t...
It was not a flame or something, just wondering why, with the current low gear its not releveant idk
hazy breach
Bloodmallet is just bugged, dw about it
grand wyvern
If your haste is at breakpoint for 2 extra GCDs in dance guidon gives you an extra GCD with random haste value it might not be worth
hazy breach
Itll get fixed later
fallow ingot
If your haste is at breakpoint for 2 extra GCDs in dance guidon gives you an ext...
getting 18% haste will be the breaking point no ?
grand wyvern
Yes and guidon should be very good at that value, reading what eleem says I am not sure if sim is bugged tho
You have to decouple it from dance tho remember that
fallow ingot
Will see later then, my guild asked for the bis list on Wowaudit already sooooo ^^'
grand wyvern
You can overwrite sims on wowaudit
marble sail
Will see later then, my guild asked for the bis list on Wowaudit already sooooo ...
time to leave that guild if they care about anything before the 17th
hazy breach
Will see later then, my guild asked for the bis list on Wowaudit already sooooo ...
Haste on-use from raid + aln
fallow ingot
time to leave that guild if they care about anything before the 17th
Nop, it's to have an idea about the items for everyone
it's 3 click on radibots its fine
hazy breach
Puzzlebox is alright for big aoe, but not really good for ST
marble sail
Nop, it's to have an idea about the items for everyone
yes, but thats not a thing before tuning
fallow ingot
ikr but w/e
grand wyvern
Nop, it's to have an idea about the items for everyone
I would set it as bis and put a note explaining sim are sketchy right now
fallow ingot
tbf i don"t care much about loots
and outlaw is simming 10% / 12 % higher for me atm, dunno if we will play it in the raid tbh
has not been meta in raid for years
grand wyvern
Outlaw always sims higher but has a profile that wants Perma uptime or it loses a lot keep that in mind
fallow ingot
yeah yeah must used light or heavy mouvement sims
lilac stag
what is that in %?
Go back to #outlaw is what it is.
static fjord
is it normal to have downtime when out of shadow dance or am I playing this class wrong
grand wyvern
Yeah it's normal
potent heath
Mhhh Agility > 18% haste > mastery is better no ?
hazy breach
Outlaw has some downtime too sometimes, but mostly yes
hazy breach
Mhhh Agility > 18% haste > mastery is better no ?
In practice its the same thing
potent heath
I didnt see How
hazy breach
yeah yeah must used light or heavy mouvement sims
I would advice you to literally never use those options
fallow ingot
I would advice you to literally never use those options
Why ?
static fjord
okay maybe rogue aint for me then
hazy breach
Because they do not represent light or heavy moment fights well
It just randomly prevents the sim from attacking for X seconds at a random interval
In practice you would not cast all of your cooldowns 2 seconds before heavy movement
bleak night
grand wyvern
I didnt see How
It's not well represented by a simple > relationship, imagine haste as being almost worthless until you hit 200 then best stat, same fort hitting 18%
Like a stepfunction
true palm
hmm guys what are your opinions on veiltouched vs finality where should i put my last point into ?
azure whale
Hi, learning rogue (sublety) and following a guide to understand everything i dont see mentioned in any part of the guide "Slice and Dice" is it never pressed to boost attack speed? Thanks 😄
lilac stag
https://klipy.com/gifs/watch-me-cordell-walker-1
Eleem clearly hasn’t seen the tech of sending full blades right before phase changes.
graceful osprey
Hi, learning rogue (sublety) and following a guide to understand everything i do...
Slice and dice gets applied when you press Evis
azure whale
Slice and dice gets applied when you press Evis
Aha, my goat, thanks
vernal granite
guys i am new to retail. have played alot of rogue in classic. going through the gear rn. is it worth to craft Farstrider Mercy rn or should i safe the sparks?
lilac stag
Hi, learning rogue (sublety) and following a guide to understand everything i do...
Look at what cut to the chase does
lilac stag
guys i am new to retail. have played alot of rogue in classic. going through the...
Unless you plan on playing outlaw it’s 99% safe
lilac stag
Just don’t accidentally craft an int dagger
vernal granite
😄 i got the little scroll that gives me guaranteed haste mastery on it
@lilac stag sorry for bothering so much, but should i add an embellishment? didnt see one on any site i visited
left ledge
<@226395155098370049> sorry for bothering so much, but should i add an embellish...
Darkmoon sigil hunt
vernal granite
yeah got it now, thanks guys ^^
mortal skiff
how did i fuck it up that mine has only ilvl 255? :D
plush roost
Probably rank 4
tidal marsh
plush roost
Doesnt matter it will be recrafted in a couple weeks
odd sandal
It doesn't require any crests?
tidal marsh
At those item levels, no
chrome palm
Outlaw always sims higher but has a profile that wants Perma uptime or it loses ...
this is a little bit the case with sub though
timings are so specific you can probably get punished harshly if something happens when you want to dance
and you dont have the freedom to move dance whenever you want it
past field
did anyone craft something with his veteren crests?
paper trail
question - Doesnt we fuck ourselves if we bind stech to dance if we want to Shadowstrike at 5 stacks to then procc apex?
hazy breach
How are those related
paper trail
Honestly havnt looked into it at all how to get the st acks
swift tinsel
paper trail
Was just thinking if we wanted to shadow strike prior, thats in dance only or
or am i completly braindead now
hazy breach
You do not need to have the apex up when you press sectech no
The apex doesnt buff sectech by as much as it buffs eviscerate
fleet acorn
Where did u go for a rank 5 craft ?
I can for example make r5 - specced into daggers
tulip light
did i see correctly that 50 main stat is the best food we can get except the stam / main stat feast for personal hearty food crafts
hazy breach
Those are 50 main stat too
Just like in tww theres no difference between personal food and feast
potent heath
I can for example make r5 - specced into daggers
U can ? From EU or US boi
tulip light
ah nvm the suggested feast in the guide is stam and secondary
fleet acorn
U can ? From EU or US boi
Eu on kazzak
ebon compass
Yo that's my realm
lilac stag
U can ? From EU or US boi
It has to be on your server. Just ask in trade chat and if you’re not getting any responses make an alt of the other race and ask in that chat.
swift tinsel
you can spend tens of thousands of gold for feasts to make it hearty or like 25 gold to make hearty personal food
so I made enough to last the xpac lol
ebon compass
Everyone on kazzak is a lil fruity icl
faint quail
races matter at all? do we have a breakdown for it or send whatever?
tulip light
@faint quail panda / mecha gnome best - if u are not rwf player go for best mog . this is the chance to play the sickest looking rance while being top sim - PANDA
(female ofc)
faint quail
<@1085351389334622308> panda / mecha gnome best - if u are not rwf player go for...
thanks a bunch
final hound
I have a question. just don't understand how they have Backstab on CDM and not shadowstrike...i know you dont need to track it, but neither do backstab no?
plush roost
(female ofc)
Yeah idk about that one chief
tulip light
I have a question. just don't understand how they have Backstab on CDM and not s...
they dont make a lot of sense these days 🙂
plush roost
Do strike evis a couple times and watch your panda dislocated their shoulder
tulip light
i call it a kung fun swing
faint quail
i remember a while back tauren was bis so just was curious
plush roost
I call it lanky kong returns
final hound
they dont make a lot of sense these days 🙂
they have Sinister strike for outlaw too.. but no SS for sub..i hate it
tulip light
tbf would you track it if it was there and if so may i ask why?
final hound
im just used to it..every other class has their builders in CDM
lilac stag
it gives you no practical info. just makes extra visual noise on your screen.
final hound
i understand that...but i'd like to have them... you personally can hide them
like every other class who has its builders on cdm
hazy breach
(female ofc)
Bro falls just short of the finish line by saying female panda instead of male
Smh my head
shrewd lantern
eleem male panda return?
faint quail
nothing like a petite panda tho
shrewd lantern
faint quail
*bites lip
tulip light
you guys are free to have your own (very wrong) opinion 😤
final hound
probably why its there
if you gonna add backastab... just add SS too... or at least make it swap if stealth
vale pine
elemfluff
lilac stag
i understand that...but i'd like to have them... you personally can hide them
Do you want to have shuriken storm in cdm as well?
willow knoll
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/384115523677585408/1476368868527046726/...
thicc
past field
is it worth to craft my spark dagger right know? i could recraft it later..
steel horizon
sorry if this has been asked before but anyone using arcui figure out a way to make it so an icon glows after x amount of stacks?
eg: SHT glow when >4 stacks or escalating blade glow when = 4 stacks
potent heath
Eu on kazzak
Im from EU Archimonde, i’ll give u a teep ok ?
final hound
if you have feedback on this section lmk
it would be nice to click and open the preview picture on a lightbox so we can actually see how the Ui looks..
i guess that's on wowhead
vale pine
i could try to photoshop the immages for better contrast
i also thought of adding bcdm/ark to the page, but will need to ask wowhead for permissions first
the page as is is only designed for default imports
lucid jackal
it would be nice to click and open the preview picture on a lightbox so we can a...
Are there not larger images when u scroll down?
quasi eagle
!sheet
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fair phoenix
!Macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
final hound
Are there not larger images when u scroll down?
no.. there are not..were there supposed to be ?
final hound
i could try to photoshop the immages for better contrast
until wowhead implements a lightbox..perhaps you can add a link? or add them to discord?
fair phoenix
guys someone have aproblem to like, after shadow dance spam the shadow strike/ backstab macro?
golden totem
!fuu
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wet anvil
!craft
hollow spear
Was there a minimum ilvl requirement to enter M0 if you are in a premade group?
lilac stag
guys someone have aproblem to like, after shadow dance spam the shadow strike/ b...
#subtlety-faq common questions
paper ether
!fuu
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compact iron
do apex talents change something for sub roation wise??
wet anvil
do we need veteran crests later on something or we can spend it?
fair phoenix
<#856897746128207892> common questions
ok so i play as trickster, i suposse to use the shuriken storm macro?
or just the tecnich one
hazy breach
dreamy latch
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.
hazy breach
Should be a 20 page document guide somewhere on how to minmax so youre a couple of ilvls higher for the first m+ you do
fair phoenix
any goodway to track coup the grace when get 4 + stacks from the buildup
celest magnet
you can just track the # of stacks on unseen blade
crimson ember
What are the 2 stats to add to crafted dagger?
frail bone
I went haste mastery due to my low haste right now.
it can be changed later.. also it wont make a huge difference at this point
fair phoenix
you can just track the # of stacks on unseen blade
i mean to like glow on 4 stacks
wicked joltBOT
- Can be pickpocketed from kobolds in e.g. The Ringing Deeps. (needs The Final Candle questline completed.)
- Only use it on one weapon. (does not stack)
lilac stag
@vale pine ^
vale pine
haha
maiden oar
obsidian dew
My guild would viciously mock me, they're all Larias' larries
tell them I said you can craft a dagger
I'm waiting for Tuesday to confirm we get another spark but I've already been telling folks if they're a dual wield class they can craft a 1h weapon, no reason not to unless you just want to save gold
hollow spear
tell them I said you can craft a dagger
A royal decree to craft my dagger
I'll take it
heady garden
i mean to like glow on 4 stacks
not in base ui, but you can just macro coup de grace to bp and not even have to track it
vale pine
^
swift tinsel
Ehhhh I’d argue Escalating Blade is one of the few buffs you should be tracking
faint quail
what is the case for coup/bp macro? when is it being used?
swift tinsel
It’s kinda unnecessary but people use it as a one-button-finisher macro in aoe
Casts BP normally then coup when it’s available
Which is not always what you want
But if you want a full brain-off experience it’s there
faint quail
gotcha, ty
shut sandal
If I have 6-8 seconds left on ST/Dance cooldowns, is it worth it to spend combo points on finisher, or should I save it to use st/dance on cooldown?
vale pine
i made the first dance glow now when usable <3
nice
lusty acorn
i made the first dance glow now when usable <3
How
shadow snow
!ui
vale pine
we don't have any ui command
jaunty heath
!fuu
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swift tinsel
Too much variety
jaunty heath
fuu you are slacking
swift tinsel
Until EllesmereUI is fully functional and takes them all out
jaunty heath
its so empty
vocal crypt
hey im back with Midnight. Do you play with the Blizz UI now or still use Elvui and Details and other Addons ?
vocal crypt
ok so use the ingame Damage Meter ?
vale pine
yes
covert pine
Oh elvui works
vale pine
yes, they released an updated version
covert pine
Does it have glowing icons? Cant remember
vale pine
i don't use elvui, sorry
covert pine
dw
arctic heart
we getting guted on 17th right? saw a lot of subs rn, they will come for us 🙁
tame terrace
the ancient arts minmax
does this also apply to opener? like if we start opener and dont get aa for the first sec tech, keep striking?
swift tinsel
I send whenever the conditions are met
chrome palm
we getting guted on 17th right? saw a lot of subs rn, they will come for us 🙁
what is there to gut?
udk and demo do 50% more dps than everyone else
arctic heart
they are getting killed.
chrome palm
arms does 25% less dps than everyone else
arctic heart
demo is insane
chrome palm
sub is by no means an outlier
swift tinsel
I'd be very surprised if we catch any kind of substantive nerf
willow pawn
sub looks good in m0 rn because everything dies in your dance window
good spec, but i dont think its getting touched
only assa will get buffed tbh
other 2 specs will stay the same
chrome palm
a st buff and aoe nerf would be fine for sub
i doubt they give sub decent st if its meant to be the burst aoe spec
willow pawn
Trickster sub might get tuned down and DS will get buffed
chrome palm
might be a coincidence but the best split-cleave casters are also the worst in st
willow pawn
seems like the pattern
chrome palm
Trickster sub might get tuned down and DS will get buffed
yeah hopefully this is accompanied with a mark reversion
warm marlin
might be a coincidence but the best split-cleave casters are also the worst in s...
60% plink spriest turbo ass in st 
surely it will not get buffed into thanos tier
warm marlin
25% aura -> 10% plink nerf -> 3x on 6/9 fights
willow pawn
plink is dangerous to tune
i think blizzard learned their lessions with plink
lessons*
warm marlin
they do keep proportionally nerfing bf every time they buff outlaw
surely the same principles are applied
mystic juniper
OL is our highest ST at the time being yeah?
chrome palm
in sims yes
swift tinsel
bleak night
they do keep proportionally nerfing bf every time they buff outlaw
well those bf nerfs were required to power plink
swift tinsel
blood for the blood god
bleak night
shadow is slowly absorbing all cleave in the game
80% plink next patch after another bf nerf
final oxide
As a Sub rogue, do I scale with magic damage on my shadow damage or just all physical scaling?
As an example, would the Chaos Brand debuff increase my damage?
warm marlin
magic damage buffs increase your shadow damage yes
chrome palm
blood for the blood god
p for the plink god 
warm marlin
there are some mildly strange interactions, like shadow damage cleaving as physical with nimble so the cleaved damage benefits from mystic touch
i think
final oxide
Ty kindly Ryldd 👍
grave parcel
is there anyway to track when unseen blade is up and going to proc when we strike or backstab or shuriken?
steel zinc
idk tracking first dance is a none issue. I have it since beta. You just need to set amount of x seconds out of combat and let a timer run. Do it +1 sec then actually first dance needs and your gucci
soft summit
whats the cancel macro that will allow me to restealth im still in shadow dance?
opaque trail
#showtooltip Stealth
/cancelaura [nocombat] Shadow Dance
/cast !Stealth
soft summit
thanks!
barren plume
why are sub rogues best races fuckin dwarf and tauren... tauren shouldnt be able to be rogues theres nothing sneaky about them
graceful crown
idk tracking first dance is a none issue. I have it since beta. You just need to...
Yep but i couldnt find anything and i hadnt it haha
warm marlin
is there anyway to track when unseen blade is up and going to proc when we strik...
no its hidden
you know your next 2 builder casts after sectec will because of disorienting strikes but that is also hidden
steel zinc
Yep but i couldnt find anything and i hadnt it haha
shameless plug use my addon 
steel zinc
why are sub rogues best races fuckin dwarf and tauren... tauren shouldnt be able...
it does not matter
warm marlin
shameless plug use my addon <a:kekwleave:1006570284935020596>
msuf been good to me 
barren plume
it does not matter
it always matters
warm marlin
also best races are mechagnome/panda/orc rn
barren plume
not according to bloodmallet
warm marlin
bloodmallet is wrong
steel zinc
If I have to prog raid a boss for like 300 pulls and it has to be a tauren for 1% more dps id jump out of the window
graceful crown
i still like my b.elf, i can destroy shields if needed :x
steel zinc
not according to bloodmallet
yes trust 1 source while apls are being worked! It matters
warm marlin
the profile bloodmallet has for sub is a bit messed up
it somehow acquired 18000 mastery and sims like 70k above bis so weird things are happening
steel zinc
the difference between race highly depends on the content you do. Dwarf is op in m+
For raid it really doesnt matter since no boss is pure st etc
keen dome
steel zinc
yeah you can then stand even deeper in the **** of the boss 😄
shrewd lantern
why are sub rogues best races fuckin dwarf and tauren... tauren shouldnt be able...
turns out crit damage is good
always has been tbh
jaunty heath
!fuu
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dawn heron
hey
dawn heron
how do you guys track ancient arts, or you dont?
covert latch
that I do not know, I came in here to ask how sub's doing
i'm thinking of making a rogue alt
idk anything about this class 
dawn heron
its great so far
covert latch
ok
I just didn't know if it was int to play sub or not, I know heroic/mythic week tuning is pending but just curious
vapid lodge
How are you guys finding sub so far?
sonic raven
I love it
vapid lodge
Yeah feels fun! Thought the pruning would kill it for me but I actually don’t mind it that much if I’m honest. Feels satisfying to press the buttons
Dance into sectec still feels juicy to press
tough coral
we have some prelim bloodmallet stuff saying one of our best trinkets is gonna be the Void darkmoon deck?
does that seem right?
torn tide
how do you guys track ancient arts, or you dont?
well for me i look at my sht sometimes or i look at the black lines on mh screen
!apex
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity. Some popular Addons (like ElvUI) disable these by default.
tulip light
is there a way to see detailed damage distribution eg % of shadow damage done in raidbots?
dawn heron
well for me i look at my sht sometimes or i look at the black lines on mh screen
thx a lot
torn tide
no prob
native falcon
Am I understanding wrong? Coup de grace is a passive but why are we macroing it?
willow knoll
Am I understanding wrong? Coup de grace is a passive but why are we macroing it?
you mean with black powder?
native falcon
Yeah
willow knoll
Because you use it in AOE still
So if you macro it with black powder whenever coup becomes active, when you try to go black powder to spend your CP points you'll get coup instead without having to worry about it
and with the macro if it's not active, you get black powder like you normally would instead
native falcon
So we're casting a passive instead of casting black powder with the macro?
I'm confused cause coup de grace isn't a skill on my bar
willow knoll
coup is was eviscerate becomes when it's active but the macro specifically checks for coup and not evi
evi turns into coup
native falcon
Ahh okay that makes sense
willow knoll
when it's active
Also make sure you're targeting when using AOE still
Alot of times I'd just go shuriken - bp without targeting but the problem is that doesnt work with coup
so if you're just using the AOE without a target and coup comes up nothing will come out unless you're targeting an enemy
native falcon
Ah okay
Also is it coup de grace that's refunding my combo points?
Oh wait no it's ancient arts
willow knoll
No that's shadow techniques
Ancient arts generates a shadow at 20 percent in conjunction when you draw from shadow techniques bank of stored CP
20 percent chance*
Or my bad
when you strike with 5 Cp ready
calm cloud
Hey i just recently got into retail again. i got a few questions about the crafted dagger, i already crafted if with random stats at 249. Can i later on recraft it to higher ilvl? (285) and which stats would be best for them? Mastery Haste? not sure if the dagger wille be the item tipping over 18~19% haste so not sure if i want mastery crit or haste for the recraft
willow knoll
Wait im getting myself confused now lmao
So when you expend combo points and it draws from shadow techs bank of CP you get a 15 percent chance per point to generate the shadow
native falcon
I'm noticing I'm getting the cp refund when I have these bars
Is that right or is it just a coincidence
west shoal
I'm noticing I'm getting the cp refund when I have these bars
That's correct
willow knoll
What passive am I missing
I'm basically a new player trying to explain something to a new rogue player
lmao
sullen hare
Apex
west shoal
Last apex talent
willow knoll
Oh the strike yeah
Does it actually generate them or does it just steal them from the pool of shadow techniques?
that's what I was never sure about
I feel like its worded weirdly
sullen hare
That's so blizzard can keep us on our feet
willow knoll
I mean it's kinda feedback loop ability right